Joe and Jada - John Leguizamo on playing Pablo Escobar, 'Carlito's Way' & Latin representation in Hollywood

Summary

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd — Joe and Jada: John Leguizamo on Playing Pablo Escobar, 'Carlito's Way,' & Latin Representation in Hollywood

Release Date: April 8, 2026
Guests: John Leguizamo
Hosts: Fat Joe (Joe Crack/Joe Cartagena), Jadakiss

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Episode Overview

This episode of "The Herd" (Joe and Jada edition) features acclaimed actor and comedian John Leguizamo. The discussion ranges from Leguizamo’s celebrated gangster roles—especially as Benny Blanco in "Carlito’s Way"—to his latest portrayal of Pablo Escobar in Hulu’s Spanish-language series "Dear Killer Nannies." The trio also dive deep into Latin representation in Hollywood, the true influence of legendary movies on urban culture, and personal stories from the streets to the screen.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. John Leguizamo’s Career: Comedy, Drama & Gangster Roles

• Kickoff reflects on Leguizamo’s unique ability to straddle comedy and drama.

  • Quote: “Why can't you do both? Why can't you be a comedian, actor? You just have to work harder because they both demand different things.” – Leguizamo [08:23]

• Fat Joe and Jadakiss praise the authenticity in Leguizamo’s performances:

  • His one-man shows, especially impressions of his father (“Fausta”), are highlighted for humor and depth [08:15–08:19].
  • They reminisce about the culture-shaping presence of Leguizamo’s gangsters in cinema [08:50–09:06].

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2. ‘Empire’ & Hollywood's Barriers for Latin Creators

• Discussion of Leguizamo’s Latin-centric film "Empire" and its box office success despite a modest $2 million budget.
  • Quote: “We over index at the box office at 30%. We're a third of sports fans. Where is our 30% of the movies, the casting, the executives?” – Leguizamo [11:23]
• Massive successes don’t translate into opportunity for Latin directors or writers.
  • Industry runs on fear: "Everybody's afraid of losing their jobs, so everybody's afraid of making a mistake and pulling the trigger." – Leguizamo [13:03]

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3. The Legendary ‘Carlito’s Way’: Authenticity vs. Whitewashing

• [14:08] Jadakiss pivots to talk “Carlito’s Way”—noting its feeling of authenticity, despite the lead (Carlito) being played by Al Pacino, a white actor.
  • Quote: "The lead was supposed to be Puerto Rican, but it was played by a white guy playing Puerto Rican... they wouldn't let us be our heroes." – Leguizamo [14:13]
• On whether a Latino could have played Carlito:
  • Quote: “Hell, yeah. Why not? ...We had Andy Garcia, Benjamin Bratt, Benicio. Tons of people could have played it... but they wouldn't give us those lead roles.” – Leguizamo [15:01]
• The first audience reaction to "Carlito’s Way":
  • Joe Crack confesses to not liking it initially due to expectations set by "Scarface", only later appreciating its depth.
  • Quote: “At first, I'm thinking this Scarface part two. And then I'm like, yo, this is a fucking love story with a white girl ballet, like, what the fuck?” – Joe Crack [17:38]

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4. The Real Inspiration Behind Benny Blanco

• Leguizamo explains Benny Blanco’s character comes from a real-life drug dealer he knew, and that director Brian De Palma’s creative freedom made the character iconic.

  • Quote: “De Palma...gave me 30 takes on my entrance ‘cause he enjoyed the crazy shit that I was doing. But that taught me how to act, man.” – Leguizamo [18:03]

• On authenticity and improv: he filled the club scenes with real friends and even his ex-wife (“She took almost 50% of what I had.”) [19:44]

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5. Scarface, Role Models, and Street Influence

• Discussion of "Scarface" as a cultural force:
  • Quote: “Scarface kind of like destroyed my whole crew's life growing up. We sold drugs 'cause of Scarface. We wowed out.” – Joe Crack [16:21]
• Reflects on the lack of positive Latin male representation:
  • Quote: “If they had more positive Latin images, would you have gone into a more positive path?” – Leguizamo [21:03]
  • Joe Crack insists, “I was just looking for the wrong shit no matter what,” despite family support [21:33].

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6. Wealth, Divorce, and the Changing Nature of Public Bragging

• The cost of success: heavy (and humorous) talk about divorce settlements and representing oneself authentically versus how net worth is presented in the media [20:17–25:17].

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7. Playing Pablo Escobar in ‘Dear Killer Nannies’

• Leguizamo’s new series is the first authorized Pablo Escobar story, told from the viewpoint of Escobar’s son.
  • Quote: “All Latin actors have to play Pablo Escobar...Now I’m doing it, but I think I got the best accent.” — Leguizamo [31:01]
• Leguizamo met Escobar's son, who now lectures on positivity worldwide, contributing invaluable inside knowledge to the show. The series explores Pablo’s paradox as a family man and sociopathic gangster [32:07–36:44].
• Discussion of Escobar's vast, lingering wealth, Colombia’s conflicted relationship with his legacy, and his son’s efforts to avoid repeating history.

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8. The Long Arm of the Past: The Criminal World, Technology & Living Clean

• Wide-ranging talk on the consequences of criminal lifestyles, both in their communities and in their own lives.

  • Quote: “Not to romanticize or idolize this type of lifestyle. Because it's a short term... it's a short term goal.” – Leguizamo [51:52]

• Emerging digital surveillance, drones, and data make old-school gangsterism obsolete:

  • Quote: "No gangsterism is done. You're done. You got the police station, drones...Palantir will get all your info." – Leguizamo [52:47–53:49]

• Contrast between movies/crime drama and real life: "Movies prepare us for where we're going in life. Sci-fi definitely does.” [54:01–54:08]

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9. Vivid Street Stories: Moving On from Old Ties

• Fat Joe and Leguizamo share personal stories of distancing themselves from old friends with criminal pasts.
  • Severance packages for ex-felons to keep distance and avoid jeopardizing their current, legitimate lives [60:57–62:55].
• Emphasize difficulty of maintaining relationships with people from their old life without risking everything they’ve built.
  • Quote: “You don't wanna...hang out with people who could put you in a position where you throw everything away.” – Joe Crack [64:16]
  • “It's a smart move." – Leguizamo [64:27]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Hollywood’s Diversity Issue:
  “We're 20% of the population. We over index at the box office at 30%. We're a third of sports fans. Where is our 30% of the movies, the casting, the executives?” – Leguizamo [11:23]

• On Playing Latino Roles:
  “All Latin actors have to play Pablo Escobar...Now I’m doing it, but I think I got the best accent.” — Leguizamo [31:01]

• On "Scarface" Impacting Real Lives:
  “Scarface kind of like destroyed my whole crew's life growing up. We sold drugs 'cause of Scarface.” – Joe Crack [16:21]

• On the Cost of Street Life:
  “You party for a year...Then you get a good old 40 years for it from the feds. You have a one year run.” – Joe Crack [51:03]

• Fat Joe on Street-Legend Friend:
  “He’s the first motherfucker that understood...took the 30 grand and said, I understand, Joe. You change your life, I'll stay out the way.” [61:06]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 04:42 — John Leguizamo joins the show
• 08:11 — Discussion of Leguizamo’s one-man shows
• 11:10–13:36 — Hollywood, opportunity, and industry fears
• 14:08–15:47 — "Carlito’s Way" and the issue of Latin representation
• 16:16–18:04 — “Scarface”’s impact on urban youth
• 21:03–22:55 — Lack of positive Latin images and personal consequences
• 31:01–33:38 — Playing Pablo Escobar in "Dear Killer Nannies"
• 36:44–44:43 — Pablo’s legacy, Colombian culture, and family survival
• 51:03–53:53 — Street life in the era of technology
• 60:57–62:55 — The art of cutting ties with dangerous old friends

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Conclusion

This episode delivers untold stories and sharp perspectives on the real-life pressures behind pop culture. Through genuine laughs, unfiltered anecdotes, and impassioned calls for equity, the crew—anchored by Leguizamo’s candor—presents a raw and powerful look at the intersection of street legacy, entertainment, and heritage in America.

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Transcript

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[Fat Joe]

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[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

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[Fat Joe]

I'm telling you, that's a left turn on the highway.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

That's a flag.

[Fat Joe]

I'm driving 90 miles on the highway.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

That's a flag.

[Fat Joe]

A flag on the plate.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Two flags. Two flags.

[Fat Joe]

That's three flags. What the hell?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

What the.

[Fat Joe]

You mean you didn't like it? Yeah.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Yeah. What up, y'?

[Fat Joe]

All?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

This your boy, Joe Crack the dawn.

[Jadakiss]

You know who it is. Your boy Jada Kiss. It's the Joe and Jada Show. Every show legendary. Every show iconic, unstoppable.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

The immortals is here. And I don't know if y' all want.

[Jadakiss]

I don't know if y' all gonna be able to. To handle what's going on here.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

You know, the apology is always less louder than the initiation. You know, the apology. But, yeah, I can continue by what

[Jadakiss]

you think of today's guest.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

All right.

[Jadakiss]

You think funny. You think Queens, New York. You think one man shows like Freak. You think Broadway movie screenshots and now a Spanish language series on Hulu called Dear Killing Nannies. You think of a man who turned pain into punchlines and built a whole career nobody can argue with. When you think about today's guest, you think icon.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Ladies and gentlemen, can I put. Oh, Benny Blanco from the Browns.

[Jadakiss]

You definitely is.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

You doing that right now. You was about to.

[Jadakiss]

You kidding me?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

You had that one in, Jeff. When you think of today's guest, Benny Blanco from the most.

[Jadakiss]

Benny Blanco from the Bronx did so much for our coaches. Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for John Leguizako.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Thank you, man.

[Fat Joe]

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, man. That was great. What a great intro. I'm like. I'm embarrassed. Thank you. You guys are the best, man.

[Jadakiss]

Thank you. Thanks for joining the couch with me and my brother. Our production staff is like the Avengers. They do a great job.

[Fat Joe]

I mean, you got a serious staff here, man. This is insane. How many people got here? That's a big payroll.

[Jadakiss]

It varies.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Every. It varies. Now, let me tell you something. Some artists come up in here with an entourage of, like, 40. I. You know, I'm old already.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

So I've been through every phase. Oh, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

You've seen it all. You've seen it all for real.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

So when I see them come in here with a.40 clip, I'm immediately thinking,

[Fat Joe]

you're doing the math of that. You do, yeah. How much is that?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Hotel rooms?

[Fat Joe]

Even if somebody in my family, they're still going to be on the payroll somehow.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Yeah, bro.

[Fat Joe]

And the gas, those SUVs, and the Ubers, that cost money, too. Then they get hungry. Entourage always gets hungry, yo. And you don't want to eat where they eat. You want to eat what you want to eat. And what you want to eat is way more expensive. So that's 100 bucks a pop. So you got 40 deep times $100 a person.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Now, sometimes the female artist coming here with 30 people, and I'm just, you know, the way I do it now, I'm old, man. It's like I'm sitting on the porch here. I'm looking at it. I'm like, yo, yeah, it's gonna cause you costing.

[Fat Joe]

This is a cautionary tale about to happen.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, you know what I mean? Like, you know, I help people all the time. Helps people all the time.

[Fat Joe]

That's what I hear on the street.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

It's the truth, though.

[Fat Joe]

I know.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Like, I mean, truth. Like, you know, when I go. When I go to heaven, when I go to meet the man, you know,

[Fat Joe]

not for a long time.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Yeah. But I hope I get, you know, some of these homeless. You know, I got a routine of, like, homeless. You know, One day I'm hanging out with the royal family of Dubai. Right?

[Fat Joe]

Right.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

When they come to New York, they only hang out with Fat Joe. They like to eat, too. So they're like, yo, Joe, let's go to a steakhouse. I'm like, no problem. I got my show set up. We're walking there. It's a beautiful day in New York, and everybody's just walking up, and they're like, yo, Joe. And I'm like, honey, here. Honey, here. They don't. That's not in Dubai. That they don't see.

[Fat Joe]

They don't believe in charity.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

He said, joe, why? No, I don't know if they don't believe in chat, but what are you looking out for, them people coming up to you, Joe? I'm like, you know, I know all of them.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

I do that shit every day in my life.

[Fat Joe]

Well, that's good. That's good. Given you always put out good, more good comes to you. You're generous. The world will be generous back. I mean, it's karma, isn't it?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

That's how I feel.

[Jadakiss]

I think you should find A way to try to write that off, right?

[Fat Joe]

I mean, that would be the math homeless.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

They want cash, man. They're not like, they.

[Fat Joe]

Charity. Cash is charity. It's a charitable donation. 5o c 13.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Oh, shit.

[Fat Joe]

You know, not for profit.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

You know, John, you want to know what's the craziest thing is? What's the craziest thing, Joe, is that the man is. Is giving you your intro and he says, funny. And the last thing I think of John Leguizamo for, because he plays such a gangster role in all these movies, is funny, but the man's funny. I went to the One Man Show. I seen all your. What was your father's name in the show?

[Fat Joe]

My father's name, please.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

In the One Man Show. Festa. What was that?

[Fat Joe]

Fausta. Fausta. But I cannot just. My father's.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Yo, that was hilarious, man.

[Fat Joe]

But, you know, why can't you do both? Why can't you be a comedian, actor? You could do both. You just have to work harder because they both demand different things from you. And you just got to deliver on each aspect differently. It's like athletes who can do football and basketball or baseball.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

No, we appreciate you for both. Is just a lot older.

[Fat Joe]

You got to change up your game anyhow.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Yeah, I love. I love all your gangster shit too. That.

[Fat Joe]

You know, he wasn't my favorite gangster. That we did Mr.

[Jadakiss]

Noise for that.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. I mean, everybody always talks about that scene when you pop this lever and the rifle flies out from the back of the couch and. Shotgun. Yeah.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Let me tell you the best part of that movie that. That put me into, like, a space where I think one of my. My best. Probably my very best gangster song I ever did. My lifestyle. I wrote it whenever we had a break. In the trailer.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Cause we was doing that movie and all that gangster shit was going on. I'm. Yeah. I wanna live my lifestyle. Buck Wild sent me the beat. I wrote the shit on the set of that movie in the trailer. Every time we took a break, I went back up in there. Another bar, another two bars.

[Fat Joe]

You're like a method rapper. Like, you were being gangster and you were writing gangster rap.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Yeah, but the movie was so gangster.

[Fat Joe]

It was. I mean, Frank Reagan wrote about his own life. He wrote about his own family and people that he knew in the South Bronx. It was legit. I mean, that's what he was writing about. That's why Empire rock so hard.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Yeah, it did, man. And even me, you know, whenever it shows up at two in the morning someday, I Start watching that shit. If it comes on TV at 2 in the morning, I'm like, dude, I

[Fat Joe]

got to tell that movie was really special because it cost $2 million to make back in the day. And when it came out in December during Christmas time, it was number eight on. On the billboard. It was number eight against movies that were 50, 60, 100 million. And we were number eight and stayed up there for about a month on the top. That's how hot the movie was.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

He was also ahead of his time.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

About somebody want to get out the game and invest in Wall Street. But it was a scam. He had Bernie Madoff before. Bernie Mad, yes.

[Fat Joe]

And also in the movie, a Latin director, Latin writer, you know, the whole Latin cast. That was way ahead of its time too. And we were making bank. And there should have been an empire to Frank Ray's. The director should have had a ton of movies. If he was a white director and a white writer, he would have been offered everything. And instead, you know, you just got to keep retelling. Please look at this script. Please look at this. You always got to keep begging and it gets tiring.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

I think that's.

[Fat Joe]

I like to whine and complain. That's right. I like to bitch. So what if I can't complain here? What the fuck?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

No, no, I'm being honest with you. That's. That's really my problem with Hollywood.

[Fat Joe]

Like, I call it Hollywood because it has been Hollywood for us forever. I mean, I. I have great success in it, but at the same time, it's still not what it should be. You know, I mean, it's still. We're still like. We're 20% of the population. We over index at the box office at 30%. We're a third of sports fans. Where is our 30% of the. Of. Of the movies, of the. Of the casting, of the executives? Where is that? I want that. I want 20%, because that' a parody.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

I'm gonna tell you a story. I don't want to keep talking about my partner. No, no, no. But there was once a guy, right? And I know he's gonna know. I'm pretty sure he watched. Who? Nah, he was a good guy. I can't say, but they made him the president of one of the biggest studios.

[Fat Joe]

Which one?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Oh, my God. Listen, big time, okay, this guy.

[Fat Joe]

Give us a. Give us initials.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

This guy was running the show. But. And I knew him, and we have friends in common. Every time I go to la, we would have dinner together and I would sit down and Be like, yo, what movie you putting out? Oh, nothing. And I'd be like, yo, but you, you know, you, you, you're. You're in the hot seat, bro. You could, you could, you could put out a bunch of Latino movies, black movies. This, you're the. He was the man. He passed it to no one. This guy was hiding under his desk so long till they figure out, hey, this guy Johnny ain't doing nothing, trying to get rid of him. It's like these people work to get in these positions, then they get. Gunshot.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

They scared to pull the trigger on the movie because if it doesn't succeed, right then they're fired.

[Fat Joe]

Well, you hit it up. You hit the, you hit it right there. Because that's what the industry is. It's based on fear. Everybody's afraid of losing their jobs, so everybody's afraid of making a mistake and pulling the trigger. And green lighting shit. I mean, David Soslav, the guy who's doing that, big deal. The big merger right now with Warner Brothers, HBO and, and the, and the Ellis 70 billion.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

That one.

[Fat Joe]

Well, his whole thing was zero production. That's how he grows the, the value of the company. But you can't have a production company that doesn't produce. Of course you're not.

[Jadakiss]

But they do.

[Fat Joe]

Well, he did. But it's a fake. It's a fake premise, bro. It's a Ponzi scheme. And that's why they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're shitting on that deal right now. Because. Yeah, anyway, that's what we're talking about. Let's talk about my show coming out

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

before I, before we get into. Well, you're a one man show in regular life.

[Jadakiss]

Before, before we get into the new show. I got, I got some.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Carlito, let's get into.

[Jadakiss]

I got some Caro questions. How was that? Caro is one of the movies that feel like every character was real life.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, it was every.

[Jadakiss]

It feels like they wasn't in character.

[Fat Joe]

Jada, you were right. I mean. Cause the writer was a New York Puerto Rican judge who wrote about his life growing up in Spanish Harlem. So he knew what he was talking from, you know, and, you know, they cast Luis Guzman and myself to bring a little authenticity because, you know, the lead was supposed to be Puerto Rican, but it was played by a white guy playing Puerto Rican, which is, you know, it was what they used to do back in the day. They wouldn't let us be our heroes.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

He played a Legendary role. Yes.

[Fat Joe]

That. The white guy?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Al Pacino.

[Fat Joe]

Why you got to name him, man?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Because he's the legend.

[Fat Joe]

You won't name that executive, but he'll name Pacino in the movie.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

He's a bad motherfucker. Al Pacino.

[Fat Joe]

He is amazing. Amazing.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

He's amazing.

[Fat Joe]

There's a lot of white actors that I respect. I'm not disrespecting them. I still love my white actors.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Well, you think a Latino could have played that role?

[Fat Joe]

Hell, yeah. Why not? Yo, we had. We had Andy Garcia, we had Benjamin Brat, we had Benicia to. We had tons of people who could have played it, but they wouldn't give us those lead roles. I mean. I mean, Pacino played Latino twice. And how many other brown faces.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Iconic, though.

[Fat Joe]

Yes. That would have made a star.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Scarface. Yes, and fucking Carlito's Way.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but imagine, you put a Latin actor in that role, man, they would have been superstars.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

The Latin actor was Benny Blanco from the Blanc. Or was it Sasso, the pig that Didn't Fly Straight? This fucking movie. Let me tell you something. I didn't like the movie the first time I saw it. We all went to the movie.

[Fat Joe]

I'm telling you, that's a left turn on the highway.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

That's a flag.

[Fat Joe]

I'm driving 90 miles on the highway.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

That's a flag.

[Fat Joe]

A flag on the plate.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Two flags.

[Fat Joe]

That's three flags.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Let me tell you why.

[Fat Joe]

What the. You mean you didn't like it?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Let me tell you why. I don't know if I want to know why. No, no, no. It ain't even your fault. Nobody's fault. I'm coming off of Scarface. We lived. I mean, if we keeping it real. Scarface.

[Jadakiss]

Oh, yeah, you know, it's.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

I know, but Scarface. Same director.

[Fat Joe]

Same director. Brian De Palma, one of the great.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Scarface kind of like destroyed my whole crew's life growing up. We sold drugs. Cause of Scarface. We wowed out. I remember getting locked up in the. My best friend was Corton, Montana. Rest in peace. He got killed. I remember going to the priest and getting locked up with him and him. Him in human life, putting his foot on the captain's table. Like, I am Tony Montana, and you have a job. And nigga was like, fuck up. Get the fuck in the cell. Like, you know, we were brainwashed. So when Carlito's way came out, we thought it was like Scarface Part 2, right? And when he walks around Spanish Harlem and everybody's like, yo. We like, oh, shit. You see Chi Chi in that spot. In that. The Chi. Chi. Rest in peace. Chi Chi. Get the yayo. Andrew Salazar.

[Fat Joe]

Right, Right.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

He comes up. So I'm thinking Scarface, too. It's on. The whole movie theater thought that, by the way. And then it turned into a love story with ballet, with this, with that. But years later, understanding life in the world. That movie's one of the greatest movies ever made in the history of mankind. I got to understand the love story. He's trying to break away.

[Fat Joe]

Right? Right. Trying to get out the business. And the business won't let him go.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Right? Yeah. So at first I'm thinking this Scarface part two. And then I'm like, yo, this is a fucking love story with a white girl ballet. Like, what the fuck? You was the only person we could relate to in that Scarface. Cause you walking up in there, you Benny Blanco from Bronze. What was that like playing Benny? Was there anybody you thought of, like, this guy? I knew this guy, grew up with him. What was it?

[Fat Joe]

It was.

[Jadakiss]

It was.

[Fat Joe]

It was a cat that I was with. Yeah, he was a drug dealer. And I shouldn't have been hanging out with him. Because I didn't realize I was kind of stupid and thought I was invincible somehow. But hanging out with him was really dangerous because his brother had gotten shot just walking around the neighborhood like that. Because they were both drug dealers. Everybody knew who they were. So it was stupid of me to go with him to the. Where he. Stores, where the stash house is and all that. And I was doing all that. So, yeah, I based it on somebody directly. Because that's why I had that kind of fire and juice. But also, Brian De Palma taught me so much, man. He gave me so much love on that movie. So I gotta return it. We had just done Carlito, Casualties of War with Sean Penn and Michael J. Fox. And Bing Rhames Vietnam movie. And then he cast me as Benny Blanco in the Bronx. And yo, back then, that was real film. 35 millimeter. You, you. You got four or five takes. He gave me 30 takes on my entrance. Cause he enjoyed the crazy shit that I was doing. But that taught me how to act, man. Cause everything I did, I came in, I knocked down the waiters. Trey.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

But you walked in. Yeah, yeah, I did. That was a real drug dealer's walking. Like you had the chest out. The, like looking at the shit like you. You had that shit to a science.

[Fat Joe]

It was so much fun, man. And Pacino. I was improvising everything. Deima allowed me to put all my friends at my booth in the. In the club, in the discotect, I had my ex wife. We won't talk about her. And then all the other people were like, Nelson, bask how much she took.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

She took a lot.

[Fat Joe]

At the time, it was. It was almost 50% of what I had.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Jesus Christ. Yeah, Jesus.

[Fat Joe]

She's in la, she's not going to hear.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Yo, Jesus is Lord, man, why you.

[Fat Joe]

You, you had.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

No, no, no, no.

[Fat Joe]

Who's had a good divorce? Nobody's has nobody.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

But that's quiet in the room. No, no, because you look around because, with no disrespect, because I got a lot of friends. They divorce wives. But that's like a. That you consider that a job now? Like, well, you're gonna lose wives of sex athletes and all that. Like, they're like.

[Fat Joe]

But they.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

And then they become what? Businesswoman? Once you give them that 20, 30 million their new under their Instagram and everywhere, it's like, yo, this is the business lady from this and this and that. Yeah. And the only business they did was take a money. Yeah, this is out of control. I'm sitting there like the businesswoman of the year.

[Fat Joe]

I gotta throw a flag in there before we all get canceled. And

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

I got a lot of sisters fucking.

[Fat Joe]

How many ex wives do you have, Joe?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

I don't have ex wives. The problem is.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, you just.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Anyway, it's a huge hustle these days. No, it's a huge hustle, but. Yeah. So that. That movie changed my life. Carlito's.

[Fat Joe]

But you know what's interesting to me, Joe? Is that Scarface, because there's such few Latin representation and we had no positive representation in that era. It was all like drug dealers. Because everything in Miami Vice, every Latin character was a criminal. And then you. If they have had more positive Latin images, would you have gone into a more positive path or. Or. Because Scarface was even a white guy playing a Latin guy playing.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

I was just headed for the wrong path.

[Fat Joe]

Like, no matter what.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

I had a father, he worked his ass off. I had a mother, she worked her ass off. I had love in the crib. And I was just looking for the wrong shit no matter what. So you know what happened? No, it's the truth. I had a father that loved me. He worked his ass off. Like there was days my father would come home, dress like you and fucking just throw himself on the bed. And we saw him the next morning,

[Fat Joe]

he didn't even eat. Worn out.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

They had that motherfucker working. And my mom, same shit. And I Still, the minute I could run to the streets, I ran to the streets. That was very ambitious, you know, almost like Benny Blanco. I was very ambitious.

[Fat Joe]

You're still very ambitious. That hasn't gone away.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

No, no, no, no, no, no. It's something I'm blessed with because there's so many people that choose to live a mediocre life. They choose to. All right, we did it already. You know, I'm at the point, I ain't even gonna lie to you, if I put my lifestyle down. Gotta put it down. You gotta move somewhere where it's cheaper or something like that. I don't gotta work no more.

[Fat Joe]

Right.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

I could just watch TV and shit.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, you downsize so you could.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Well, that's smart. That's a smart move.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

That's a smart move, but not for me. Oh, see, I'm Benny Blanco. I'm still walking.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got all that bling that can't be changed.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Yeah, I gotta come up in this restaurant. I gotta be in all the hot spots. But I am saying if I ever wanted to get myself a nice affordable middle income, nice house and watch Jeopardy at 7:30, I could do it.

[Fat Joe]

You could do. But that's not you. That's not you. You got too much going on.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

No, I gotta get. I've gotta be in this like, you know, that's, that's the story of my life.

[Fat Joe]

How much does this pay you?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Working?

[Fat Joe]

How much does this gig pay you?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

It's paid really good.

[Fat Joe]

Well, how much is really good? I need numbers. I can't. This guy won't give me. He won't give me initials, he won't

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

give me my ex. Listen, my ex wife, I'll be coming for some fucking money if she sees the nose out of this motherfucker.

[Fat Joe]

Huh? Oh, that's what you missed.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Yo, you crazy? You don't want Tita from the block coming for lifetime warranty that. Are you crazy? I can't tell them numbers. That's a new thing I don't do though.

[Fat Joe]

What was that? Was that.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Well, no prenups, we. No, we come from nothing. Right, right. So everything since the beginning of time of rap music has always been bragging, bravado, of course. Right? You know, fucking Melly Mel, still living the process. He was like shimmerpow. Melly Mel, they was talking about that shit from. But in any case, back in the days when any rapper would get a big check or some new success, they would announce it, right? Right on Hot 97.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

First guy from Brooklyn to make 8 million.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Put that up on the Raptors and the would be running in the street, in the hood like yo, homeboy made 8 million this. Now you be lucky to see me. Say I made $2. You could figure it out. Do the math. Look at me.

[Fat Joe]

Well, I just go look at celebrity worth and I go boom.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

That's not true though.

[Fat Joe]

How's it not true? Too little or too much?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

I gotta watch that cost more than what they say my net worth is. That shit been lying a long time ago. Trust me. What I tell you, it's way off.

[Fat Joe]

It's way off beyond. Oh, good. Good to know, good to know.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

But my thing is I looked it

[Fat Joe]

up before I came.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

I don't brag about.

[Fat Joe]

Cause I was going, he's worth a lot more than that.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Come on, dad. Yo, bro, I got more sneakers. I got.

[Fat Joe]

But he says, yo, bro, you know.

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[Fat Joe]

Anyway, can we talk about mysterious?

[Jadakiss]

Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

No, no, no.

[Fat Joe]

That's Utopia. Dear killer nannies. Dear killer nannies, man, it's so dope, man. It's the first authorized Pablo Escobar story. And you know, white actors in America all have to play Hamlet. Hamlet. All Latin actors have to play Pablo Escobar. Chris Benisa del Toro did it. Javier Bardem did it. Wagner Maura did it. Now I'm doing it, but I think I got the best accent. Yes, sir, bro. You check it out. You don't.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

I'm gonna watch. I just was watching Pablo yesterday.

[Fat Joe]

Look at some YouTube Pablo Escobar video and then look at what I'm doing and see how there's no difference.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Everything I could tell you about Popeye, his hitman walking around Columb. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to meet the real Popeye because he's out there.

[Fat Joe]

No, I. I didn't get to meet the real Popeye, but I studied his videos and I. I met his son. Pablo's Escobar's son who changed his name.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Nice guy. Just seen a thing on his wife yesterday too.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, the dude escaped the sins of his father, escaped the lifestyle. He became a psychologist, travels around the world giving speeches about positivity. Like you really ran away from that. He could have chosen to kept to keep Going in the father's course. Because the reason that Pablo is still magnetic is because he's the wealthiest gangster that ever lived in the history of the world. He died with $30 billion. Back then, today's dates would be $70 billion. Extreme poverty.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Come on. Two times this guy's called Two Time a Felon. Don't tell me why he wears those shoes. I don't know.

[Fat Joe]

What kind of shoes is those?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Penny loafers.

[Jadakiss]

Sneakers.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

He got the leakers. He wants to go double viral. And I fell for it, man. Went viral with them astronaut shoes he got on right now.

[Fat Joe]

Pennies in the penny loafers, yo.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

He got sneaker penny loafers. You got a penny in the penny loaf. That's the question.

[Fat Joe]

Sn.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

He got the sitting lower cartels on you, yo. Oh, he got the sitting lowest.

[Fat Joe]

That laugh is the best. Oh, shoot. Those are sneaker penny loafers.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Oh my God. Who the advice? I never seen those. I never seen those. Those are the skedaddles, yo. A toast to the new series.

[Jadakiss]

1800 toast to Dear Killer Nannies. Streaming now. Hulu, Disney Plus. Let's hear about it. Make sure we all go check it out. Enjoy it. I started watching the trailer, right?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jadakiss]

And I understand Spanish much better than I speak it. But it started getting real. It started getting. I needed to call somebody.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

It got over. You gotta read it.

[Jadakiss]

Leave no sub. I try to get in, you know.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, you try to do without subtitles. Like try to go like duolingo with it.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

No, no, no. You need subtitles. Especially Colombia. They talk that.

[Fat Joe]

They talk fast. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Oh, man. I try to talk to my mother in law. She told you what you eating for breakfast?

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

She told you the whole menu, bro. In one that go that out of here. You like. Oh, what, what, What? Like, no, now they talk fast.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, yeah, Talk bad.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

You need the subtitles, you know, I want to see that series because to me, thus far, yeah, the best. Pablo was the cheapest version, which was that like a Pablo novella.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Oh my God, that guy was good.

[Fat Joe]

That guy was better than me, I'll admit that. I'm admit that.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

That guy was really good, huh?

[Fat Joe]

Incredible, man. Because he looked like him, he spoke like him.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Yeah, the novella guy.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, that guy was killer. But I'm better than all the other North American actors. I am. I am.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

To say it for you, I'm watching this with 20 black guys. Every time that came on, we in the studio in Miami, we all watch him reading the subject. We didn't miss one part.

[Fat Joe]

Dude, that series is incredible. 80 episodes. But you didn't watch 80.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

So we watched it every day.

[Fat Joe]

Not 80 episodes. You're too busy making money.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

We was.

[Fat Joe]

How's that celebrity world gonna get bigger if you.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

If you watching TV? Recording this pre podcast. We was in the studio 20 deep every night watching that Pablo. I believe you when it first came out.

[Fat Joe]

But watch, watch this series, man. Because the sun gave us all the intel on what was happening behind closed doors. And even though Pablo was this sociopath gangster assassin, he showed love to his kids. Like hugged and kissed. And in Columbia back in the 80s, pops were tough love. They weren't hugging and kissing. Like my dad when I was growing up, he was like, every day you get stupider by the moment. Congratulations. How do you become even stupider than yesterday? That was love back then. Yeah, but not Pablo, because Pablo was on death's door all the time. So he hugged his son, kissed him, said I love you publicly.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

And everything he got changed because of his family.

[Fat Joe]

Say what he got, you always get vulnerable. They tell gangsters you have children, that's your new Achilles heel. That's how they're going to get you. And that's how they got him, man.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

What a fucking story, man. I was just. It's crazy, I'm so. I don't know if it's a pause, but. Infatuated with Pablo and his lifestyle. I was just yesterday, I'm watching the story of his wife and how he met her. He met her really, really young. Well, he.

[Fat Joe]

They were both young, but she was really mad young.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

He was like. She was.

[Fat Joe]

He was teen. Yeah, it was. It was cancellable young.

[Jadakiss]

How old was he?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

He was 21.

[Fat Joe]

21. But still. I mean that. It's still way too young. No, that's not right.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Back in the days was that.

[Fat Joe]

It wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't the 1800s. It was 1980. Come on. It was still not cool. It was not appropriate.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Crazy. It wasn't cool.

[Fat Joe]

No. But he had. He had mad power and he thought he could do whatever the he wanted. So he thought that. Yeah, but that's wrong.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Yeah, that was wrong. Now, Pablo did a lot of foul, of course, if you believe. Wife is alive.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, yeah. She's still alive. Yeah, yeah. He's got two kids and his son is doing great, man. He. He authorized this show. He consulted on it, he talked to the writers. There's dialogue in here that I go. There's no way. This is incredible. This is not dialogue. These are spoken words. That had a life, these words were actually said. And when he confronts his father, because the kid couldn't go to school, because the DEA would catch him or he'd be assassinated, the kids were scared of him. So he had to be homeschooled. And so Pablo got him these assassin nanny teachers that were his nannies, teachers, friends and family. But, you know, you can't control them. Yeah, but you can't control them either, because they're not families. So some of them became informants. Pablo had to kill them. The kid doesn't know what to do now. He's like, these people were my family, my friends, and you killed them. And he says to him, what do you do if mom crosses you? You're going to kill her. If grandma looks at you the wrong way, you're going to kill her. These are actual words that the son talks to that.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

You want to know what's crazy about being a gangster, especially in America? Well, it's everywhere, but especially in America is God forbid you born with the name Gotti, like John Gotti. You could be the 17th grandson. You're already a criminal. You're in school, and they looking at you like you're a mafia boss. They on your ass. They don't want to hear nothing. They lock up anybody. You know what I noticed about life say is still feeding Pablo Escobar. His son is giving the rights to the movie. So they still eating off the father's last name.

[Fat Joe]

But he's not taking the 30 billion that he could have had.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

I know, but what I'm saying that we know of. But listen, right? What we saying is this, right? I'm not even glorifying that like that. What I'm saying is, when you look at the Roman empires and the movies and all that, everybody always kept caring about their name. They were like, I'll break down every statue with your face on it. Your name will never be told in the streets. This, this, this, that. And it's all about your name. So these kids, if you born Jonathan Gotti from fucking Pre K, they looking at you like, he's going to federal prison. He's a Gotti. He's gonna go. And Pablo's son's probably one of the only who was in this shit. Escaped the lifestyle for the enemy not to murder him. Yeah, you kill so many people.

[Fat Joe]

Absolutely. He had to change his family.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

People, they want to kill you. Absolutely.

[Fat Joe]

Absolutely.

[Jadakiss]

He was in it.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Oh, no. He's in it.

[Fat Joe]

Well, he was a kid. His dad was shot at when he was 19. Years old, so he didn't really get into the game. And his dad was protecting him from that. But when his dad got shot, he was only 19. And he left and he changed his name. The mom took him away from the country. They moved out, went incognito. And then he resurfaced after they had taking down the enemies that the government had taken them all down, then they resurfaced. But they was years.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

They moved to Bolivia or something. But you want to know what's crazy? If you think about Griselda, she went back to Colombia. They murdered her on the motorcycle. Guy came and murdered her the first day she touched down.

[Fat Joe]

Wow.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Colombia. She was like Pablo. She was killing everything too. They killed her. They ain't let her live. And the minute they kill her, was

[Fat Joe]

that Pablo's people or was that the other part of her?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

I just. Columbia. She killed so many people.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

That's what I'm trying to tell you.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. You know the people gonna come after you. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Somebody, you know, unfortunately, when you see these movies and they see the little kid, what we gonna do with the little kid? They usually kill the little kid because he knows coming back, you know, we killed this whole family.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, he's gonna be. He's gonna want vengeance some time.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

So this guy's very lucky that he's able to even.

[Fat Joe]

It's amazing how you know the psychology of it all. I mean, he's like a Wikipedia on gangster ism. Gangsterism, hoodism.

[Jadakiss]

Kid's gonna come back, kill.

[Fat Joe]

But not this kid, because this kid left alive.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Chilling. Yeah, his mother too. His mother's like an advisor or something, like.

[Fat Joe]

But it's true. I mean, what happened to his $30 billion or 70 billion now?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

I don't know. It's there.

[Fat Joe]

It's there somewhere.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Do they keep finding this money and shit? Like.

[Fat Joe]

No, nobody's. Nobody's found anything.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

There's a whole bunch of stories out about decayed, rotted. There's a farmer's story circulating about a farmer. There was one farmer that found a bunch of money and they turned. He turned it in. Mark.

[Fat Joe]

They Mark bills too, aren't they, Mark? Bills?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

No, it's old school money, but it was like 600 million. He finds 700 million each. He's like, yo, get that out of here. In 2020, his nephew found like 18 million in. In one of an apartment in Medellin. And his nephew gave it up.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, Yeah, I found 18 million.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Nephew gave it back.

[Fat Joe]

Who gave it back?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Out of here. Let me explain. Say to you, this is the problem I have.

[Fat Joe]

What is the problem you have?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

You will understand this.

[Fat Joe]

Maybe. I hope so.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

That the world villainizes people, Right? Martin Luther King was murdered. Right now, there's a Martin Luther King highway everywhere, there's a Martin Luther King high school, Joe Louis, they drove him crazy for taxes. The man was looking out the window, the box of Joe Lewis, thinking the government was coming to kill him because he owned taxes. Now, you got Joe Louis highways, you got Joe Louis School.

[Fat Joe]

But these were heroes. I mean, they were heroes to us.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Right?

[Fat Joe]

Well, to the. They did good things.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

So what I'm trying to tell you is my daughter went to Colombia and she went to the museum of Pablo Escobar with the plane on top, the high seat. They still making money off this man that they murdered and they called him a criminal, and they assassinated, and he was the biggest in the world. To this day, Colombia is making money off of Pablo Esk.

[Fat Joe]

Right. But they have a. They have a. They have a hate relationship with Pablo. They do not love him in Colombia because.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Well, who's making the money?

[Fat Joe]

I don't know who's making.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

They take you on Pablo making the

[Fat Joe]

money off of this show. But that's not like.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

That's not 30 billion. I'm saying if we went tourists to Colombia and we want to see.

[Fat Joe]

They don't denigrate my country.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

We want. No, no. My wife's Colombian.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, okay. All right.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

You got good taste. Thank you. But what A little.

[Fat Joe]

A little Colombia Requa.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Yes. Colombo, Rico, we got that. But what I'm saying to you is if we wanted to go to a tour of Pablo Escobar today, and you did it, there's people doing it right now.

[Fat Joe]

Well, I went to all the locations where he lived, all his.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

His.

[Fat Joe]

The. The big zoo that he had. I did all that when we were shooting, because we shot it in Colombia, in Medellin, near all the places that he actually did live.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Wow.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, we did. You know. You know, he had a big zoo and he had hippos, thousand animals.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

They said.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. And. And they let the hippos out in. Into, like, our. Our Mississippi type river in Magdalena. It's infested with hippos. You know, hippos are the most dangerous animals on the planet.

[Jadakiss]

They let them go in the water.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. And they multiplied into the hundreds now, so they don't have to go out and clear, you know, do it with. With PETA, you know, approval. Euthanize them.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Yo, yo, ain't nothing did I.

[Fat Joe]

Did I Sidetrack. Too much?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

No, no, no.

[Fat Joe]

I have adhd. I'm sorry. My brain goes everywhere. Oh, okay, cool.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Now this show, you know.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

You give us all you got, brother.

[Fat Joe]

I'm trying, I'm trying, baby.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

We are here, you know, I'm here for you. Trying to make this shit happen, you know what I mean? So I'm definitely watching this series.

[Fat Joe]

Dude, it's an all Spanish language show. I did the dubbing two for those people who don't like to read Jadakiss.

[Jadakiss]

You can read it.

[Fat Joe]

You could. You do the duolingo thing and just watch it and not understand it. But I love that about him.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

I love that this actor. There's a famous actor every time they do something in Colombia. It's a little guy with red hair. He's always in all the Pablo movies. What movie I watched last night, I watched this called Agent Zenna. And he was one of the fucking spies in the movie too. Was based out of Columbia.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, wow.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

You know the redhead Colombian actor he played in that novella? He was, he was Gustavo. Gustavo in the, in the novella. But he makes all the Spanish speaking movies.

[Jadakiss]

He's.

[Fat Joe]

He makes every movie legit. He must have been in my movie.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

He has to be in.

[Fat Joe]

Must be in my series. Made a legit seal of approval. Yeah, I don't know that cat. No, but dude, I mean this series is so cool because it's all from the POV of the kid. So it's. It's because obviously the son gave us all the info, the intel on it, and it's all from the his point of view of growing up with these killer nannies that protected him and raised him and, and he lived this wild life that he was able to escape anyhow. Which is the biggest beautiful part of the show is that you see him hit 19. He starts off as a little guy and his dad is loving and caring, but the dad has to like move them out of one place to the next because they're onto him. He has to sometimes not be with them so that he's a decoy so I don't blow up his family, you know. So you're constantly living in paranoia, so it can't be a good lifestyle, bro, even if you have $30 billion to live like that.

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[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Well, he did it longer than most gangsters out out here. Now. All the gangsters I ever know run crazy, bro. All these gangsters now you, you, you, you party for a year, right? You every stripper you ever wanted to. You buying watches. All type of. You drive around, fly for one year, then you get a good old 40 years for it from the feds. You have a one year run, right? You the guy. You taco 104. You, you running shit. You and starlets. I'm just trying to tell you.

[Fat Joe]

Champagne rice. Well, it's good.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

It's good, you know, come through. You got one year run. You wore the fly jacket for a year. Next thing you know, you got to meet Jay to kiss a fat Joe. Yo, what's up? Next thing you know, you in there telling that story for 40 years, how you was running shit in 20, 19 and four time. Yeah, it ain't no problem. No Escobar, where you get to be on the run for 15 years. This and this and that. AB's in the building.

[Fat Joe]

No, I'm glad you're saying that, man, because that needs to be said. That not to romanticize or idolize this type of lifestyle. Because it's. It's a short term, you know, it's a short term deal. It's a short term goal.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

It's not right about now with all these cameras and all that. It's the shortest.

[Fat Joe]

Forget it.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Think of Jesse Smolley yet, you know they're about to fake beat him up and they put the cameras all the way back to the. Got out the car with the. He was rehearsing. They caught him on film in the studio rehearsing the mojo. When you punch me to the left, Imma look that way. You put this out of control, huh? This y' all this out of control. Yo, they sick out here.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, I know, dude. Now they're gonna have. They're gonna have drones that can follow you without no more police car chases. A Drone is going to follow you till you stop. That's the new thing coming.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Yes.

[Fat Joe]

The heat seeking drone and comes after you till you. Till they get you.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

No gangsterism is done. You're done. You got the police station.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

This out of control right now. Well, thank God, because some of these is crazy.

[Jadakiss]

They're gonna have drones that follow you to you.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Yes. Windows coming on the air, radio don't make any plans. I swear to God. They using them in Jersey chasing dudes with the drone.

[Fat Joe]

Really?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

The dudes hiding in the thing and they be like, come out. No, no, no, no. They got those dude with Palantir and

[Fat Joe]

Oracle in our government. That's. They're going to follow you. They're going to use your, your ring in your house. They're going to use your nest in your house. Your, your, your whatever stupid vacuum cleaner, Zumba Roomba thing. They're going to use all that to, to look at you, find you, GPS you, and you're going to be controlled. They're going to lock you in your house. It's crazy. It's coming. Palantir will get all your info, info and data and combines it all to find out where you are, what you're doing and predict your behavior.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Like the movies we used to see.

[Fat Joe]

Yes, but now it's a reality.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Let me ask you a question, right?

[Fat Joe]

Do you can ask me anything?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Movies prepare us for like where we're going in life. Like some shit.

[Fat Joe]

Well, sci fi does. I think sci fi definitely does prepare us for a future because it's all imagination and these writers have to take care of.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

I don't think it's imagination. I think some of this shit is like they're letting us know, hey, some

[Fat Joe]

of this research 20 years from now.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Yes. You know, George Justin had FaceTime. Beats George Jane, his wife. Now we got FaceTime.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. For real. You thought that was never coming.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Now you take a shit, you press the wall and it flushes. That was George Jetson at that time. We was up on the Flingstones with the bullshit car. But George Jessup was letting me know.

[Fat Joe]

Food on a tray. Remember the food used to come out on a conveyor belt? And the Jetsons, we got that.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

A lot of times when movies win awards, like the Oscars and all that, I'm like the guy who goes watches it the next day.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

I had never saw Begonia.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, Begonia is crazy.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

That shit was.

[Fat Joe]

That was crazy, man.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Yo, how incredible was this movie?

[Fat Joe]

I don't know how I felt about movie, bro. I had A bit of a hard time with it because of the female violence. I'm, I, I, I, I was like, what's your point, bro? Oh, I'm never going to work for him now. Thanks a lot, Yargos. I, I was talking out of. I was talking smack about Yaros. What the is wrong with me?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Guess what she blew up.

[Fat Joe]

What is in this drink, bro?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Yo, that's truth serum or some. Best ever. But let me tell you something.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, I can't believe I said that.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Yo, that was a bugged out movie, though.

[Fat Joe]

I said what?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

It was bugged the out.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, hell yeah.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Good movie.

[Fat Joe]

Begonia was interesting.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

You gotta watch that. Them boys.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, watch it.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Them boys was crazy. The man. I had to double watch that movie. I said, yo, email crazy. The whole time I'm looking, I'm like,

[Fat Joe]

give him the ending. Spoil the ending for everybody.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Let me tell you about, about.

[Fat Joe]

He won't do it.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

One thing that happened with that movie, that was crazy. Don't get in my zone. They had the dumb cousin.

[Fat Joe]

Don't, don't, don't, don't say no. No, don't say no because, because he's not out. He's not acting. He's that. Oh, no, no, no. He's a, he's a. Oh, no.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

God bless. I got a special needs.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, yeah, he's special.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Last thing I'm doing is playing with anybody I know.

[Fat Joe]

He's real special needs. That was an actor.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

I didn't know that.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, that's why, that's why I wanted to alert you.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

But no, no, no, no, no. God forbid that he did a phenomenal job.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, it was incredible. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I know, I just.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

What I'm saying is, I didn't know. But what I'm saying to you is it's like we got an inside joke, right?

[Fat Joe]

What's that?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

You know, you know Terror Squad's my crew.

[Fat Joe]

Hell yeah.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Rap label, whatever.

[Fat Joe]

From way back when.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

And now we say you're the leader. I'm not.

[Fat Joe]

You're the what?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

I'm not the leader. Right? So, you know, now they try to lock record labels up, like if they're gangster, like the Mafia. So everybody, we hand on the turf, we be like, yo, Serge, guess what? You the leader now. I don't want it no more. Like, even the dumbest guy in Terror Squad calls me back. Not Serge, in two seconds. I am not the leader. I am not the leader. You are the leader. You are the leader. Nobody wants to be the leader no more.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, no, not the leader.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

And. And if you ever notice in the movies, they always take somebody with little low IQ and they put him there and they use him. You know what I'm saying? Like, we used to call that throwing the battery in the back. When you had a guy that you knew he wasn't that smart and you could gas him to do anything.

[Fat Joe]

Right, Right, right.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

You'd be like, yo, that guy don't like him. Maybe he should get shot in his head. I don't know. This. This. That motherfucker Johnny Two Time. Be like, really? The lady said he don't like that. Yeah, yeah, the guy don't like that guy. See what happens. Like, yo, this guy. I had one guy came up. I had one guy. Okay, let me just end this over. I never told this story. We had one guy we grew up with, and let me tell you something. This guy was dangerous, right?

[Fat Joe]

Like a sociopath.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

No, no, he was dangerous. Well, some of these guys, we just thought they were real guys in the hood. Some of them were serial killers.

[Fat Joe]

Right, right.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

But this. Well, anyway, one day, we four deep, we in the Jeep. This is the 80s, and we trying to rap to some girls. You know, Fat Joe got his shirt on. You know, I used to go topless, my jewels on, you know?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

I never was ashamed of being a fat guy. And let me tell you something. When them police come for murder. I've been there three times. When the police come for murder, they come with tanks, fucking trucks with lights. They come with so many police cars.

[Fat Joe]

Technology.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

No, no, not technology. They know you killing. They're coming to get the killer. So what I'm trying to say is, anyway, we get locked up, they throw us on the floor. No reason. Nice, hot day like today, everybody's on the floor. We go into precinct, we turn around, and the one guy, he's looking at us and he's like. And we don't know. We joking. We don't know what we in there for. He's like, Guys, remember what happened over there at that, you know, we heard about the guy got. I won't be seeing y' all for a while. He knew what they came for. We had no clue. We over here. Suck my dick, your mother. We. We don't know what we getting locked up for. We. We. He got locked up. So he did about 15, 20 years or something.

[Fat Joe]

Damn.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

And everybody was coming back from. From jail. Like, when. You know how you go to jail to visit. Now, they used to come back and be like, yo, y' all got one. Y' all got one. This motherfucker was stabbing everybody in there. They was like, y' all got damn one. There's a guy named Such and Such. Y' all got one. He laying it down in there. So Legend, he comes home from jail. I'm already Fat Joe the rapper. I'm in Jimmy's Bros. Cafe. You probably was in there with your girlfriend. Jimmy's Cafe was the Bumpy Cafe, Dominican vip. And they go, joe, look who just came home. Such and such. Look at the guy. He comes home, he's like this. I said, man, I heard everything about you, man. He was like, yeah. I said, man, you was putting in that work. Legendary, man. He was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was like, man, my sister had just passed. I'm sorry. Lisa used to write me this, that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I said, look, man, wearing my pocket, I pulled out like, 20, 30,000 and said, yo, here you go. Oh, what? I could never hang out with you in my life. Wow.

[Fat Joe]

That was incredible. Paid him to get. Stay away from you.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

He's the first motherfucker that understood. As dumb as we could say.

[Fat Joe]

He. We.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

He's probably is. He's the first motherfucker that took the 30 grand and said, I understand, Joe. You change your life, I'll stay out the way.

[Fat Joe]

That's cool.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

He went and got shot the fuck up about a week later. Like, this guy. And you lost 30k magnet. No, I don't give a fuck. I'm just like. The guy was really my friend.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, word.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

And he honors.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, that was hard to.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Yo, he honored the Declaration of Independence. He was in jail. They was coming back like, yo, this guy is putting in work for y' all guys in jail. Somebody say something about Fat Joe, it's over in there. So he comes home. I like, yo, I can't hang out with you.

[Fat Joe]

No, you can't. You. You can't bring that in your life.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

You're gonna kill the whole Madison Street Garden. I can't hang out. We got enough. We got a locomotive. We waiting for one to come home soon. Friend of mine been in jail, what, 30, what, 37 years. I almost got locked up with it. But we waiting for a locomotive to come. He's also getting the cash treatment, and we cannot.

[Fat Joe]

But that was a long time ago. What is it now? It can't be 30k. It's gotta be more double.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Might be like 50,000. We send him money every week for 37 years. But what I'm saying to you is I cannot be with this guy. No, you can't they know it.

[Fat Joe]

I said, yo, good, good.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

There's a guy. No, no, you can't go. They all know. I said, there's a guy. He's going to come in here, talk to you like he runs this shit. He probably might take any outfit he wants in the store. He'd do whatever the fuck he want. Don't argue with the guy. Just call me up. I'm coming. And I'm going to come with a severance package.

[Fat Joe]

Your parachute.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Guess what, my brother. I love you. I cannot hang out with you.

[Fat Joe]

No, you can't.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

This guy beat up so much, he got metal plates in his chest from the cops.

[Fat Joe]

You know, I had a friend like that when I was growing up. He, he. He used to do. He used to do tapes of kung fu movies and sell them in Times Square. And, and he had this cat living with him and the cat took his. He was a drug addict and he took his. His video recording machine that he copied the kung fu tapes on and sold it on the street for crack. And my friend, I'm not gonna say his name, hit the dude with a lead pipe and murdered him. He had to go to jail. And then he used to write me all the time and wanted to meet up after he came out, like years and years and years later, I'd go,

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

I was like, you know, he's a murder.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. I'm like, I. We can't, dude. I mean, we just can't hang. I'm in a different lifestyle. I'm a different person. I'm. My whole life is going to a path of cleanliness, goodness, you know, that's not the path that I want to be a part of. And, you know, he, he, he turned Christian. He's a born again Christian and whatnot. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. That's good for him.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Yeah. It's like.

[Fat Joe]

And I don't mean to disparage him at all. No, I'm just saying, you know, you come to. Yeah, I don't want to bring that into my life.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

No, no. The problem is, right. Is that all of us came from somewhere and it was so hard to get to where we at and be legit in those days.

[Fat Joe]

You don't wanna make those kind of mistakes.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Ask somebody crazy to be hanging out with you to put you in a position where you throw everything away from your family and all that, trying to keep it real. I'm done with keeping it out on that level.

[Fat Joe]

Absolutely. That's a smart move. It's a smart move.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

Right or wrong, Ab? I got an uncle. I'll tell this last story and then we're gonna cut, okay? These motherfuckers. Yo, y' all fucking up my vibe. Let me tell you something. This is a classic. This is a fucking classic. We're number one for a reason. I know when we got one, okay? My uncle was in jail since I was three years old. Another guy, legend, Legend, legend, legend. He was stabbing motherfuckers in jail up to the wall. Like, wow. Hey, like, the killers I know were scared of him. Like, he's one of the founding members of a crew called the Rat Hunter Troops.

[Fat Joe]

Wow. I never heard of them. Whatever.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

You never heard of them?

[Fat Joe]

What era is that?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

The whole fucking New York State jail is the Rat Hunters.

[Fat Joe]

What do you have? Was it 80s or 70s?

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

70s.

[Fat Joe]

70s. 70s.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

So they got pictures of him all over my house. And they like, yo, that's Uncle Jabu. This, you know, I know him well. And the guys who I respect are coming home from jail. They're like, yo, met your uncle there, yo, that N. He helped me down. I was under his umbrella. These are dangerous guys. He's one of them guys. When you go up there to speak, he was one of them guys that dumb guys look at and be like, jesus Christ. Like, that's your nephew. Like, right? So he comes home from jail. My whole family called me. They say, yo, Jack, Boo got home from jail. He wants to see you. I knew this day was coming. Just like we got Locomotive coming out soon, too. So I go in the car, I pick him up in the job. Fat Joe the rapper. I already shot the movie with John Lego Zama. I get in the car with him. I know everything about you, Joey Crack Forest Brunch. This is that. You did good, nephew. Everybody, he talked good about you in there. This, this that you put in work. This is that. You see, I need you to take me to Newark, New Jersey. They got this and this and that for me, waiting. I said, you ever seen the car? Like, when somebody dies in the car, then it just crashes? It goes to the side. I never forget. I was on his streetmark. That gas station on East Street, My car wash. That car went like this. I said, I went in my pocket. I pulled out like 20,000. I said, Uncle, I can't hang out with you. I'm so sorry. He said, nephew, I understand. I understand. He takes the money, gets out the car. He eventually became Kingpin. He died, but he became Kingpin. Wow. He came home after 20 some years. I started seeing him in the clubs, popping bottles, Benz's beam is outside. Big ass. He, you know, he's the rat hunter. He's not telling. They give him anything in the street. You understand what I'm saying? But that boy, that, that took two minutes. I said, here's how this is gonna work.

[Fat Joe]

But you carry some, you carry a lot of cash in your pockets, bro. That shit makes me feel vulnerable.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

30,000 at a time. My whole life. It's fucked up because now they look at you like you an alien. If you pull out cash in the

[Fat Joe]

street, nobody uses cash.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

They want cash. I'm in the gas station, I go get a sugar free Red Bull. They like no cash, no cash, no cash. I'm like, what the fuck? They want a credit card. This ain't that.

[Jadakiss]

That ain't this.

[Joe Crack (Joe Cartagena)]

It's cracking. Kiss nannies on Hulu Disney plus I'm watching tonight.

[Jadakiss]

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