Joe and Jada - Keith Sweat talks state of modern R&B, Afrobeats explosion & his catalog of classics

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The Joe and Jada Show w/ Keith Sweat

The Herd with Colin Cowherd | February 12, 2026

Episode: Joe and Jada - Keith Sweat talks state of modern R&B, Afrobeats explosion & his catalog of classics

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Episode Overview

This lively, nostalgia-packed episode brings R&B legend Keith Sweat to the Joe and Jada Show (Fat Joe and Jadakiss). Over a fast-paced, joke-filled conversation, they cover Keith’s career, songwriting legacy, experiences in the music business, his influence on hip-hop, the evolution of R&B, and his excitement for Afrobeats. The hosts pay homage to Sweat’s iconic catalog, his business savvy, and his role in shaping R&B’s golden era. The chemistry is electric—full of laughter, unfiltered stories, and real talk about music, culture, and industry lessons.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Introduction & Icebreakers (03:35–05:21)

• Fat Joe and Jadakiss hype up Keith Sweat’s influence, recounting how his grind from the bottom and songwriting genius made him “top five, dead or alive.”
• They share a humorous dice game story in the studio with Keith, showcasing the crossover between street culture and the music industry.
  • Memorable moment:
    “You took all they money. Smoke. That’s that Harlem, huh?” — Fat Joe [04:51]
    “We killed everybody out. Cleaned the damn whole stew out.” — Jadakiss [05:23]

Early Inspirations & Meeting Icons (07:48–11:14)

• Keith talks about meeting his own idols—Johnny Gill, Gerald Levert, Eddie Levert—turning childhood fandom into genuine friendship and collaboration.
• Classic NYC stories, like hanging out at the Holiday Inn on Route 4 and being invited to see Lavert at the Apollo, paint a vivid picture of R&B’s interconnected community.
  • Notable Quote:
    “Once we met each other, we became best of friends. We became like brothers.” — Keith Sweat [09:29]

Golden Era Tour Stories & Legacy (11:15–12:33)

• Reminiscing on the heavyweights of the era—Heavy D, Salt-N-Pepa, and others—hosts and Keith share mutual admiration for each other’s come-up.
• The conversation organically rewinds to the importance of acknowledging the trailblazers before them in both rap and R&B.

The Evolution of R&B: Then vs. Now (13:40–15:57)

• Keith and the hosts lament the changes in R&B:
  • Modern artists “want to rap,” while classic R&B was about “foreplay,” romance, and emotional storytelling.
  • They critique the explicit, aggressive lyrics in current R&B, poking fun at how the sensuality and subtlety have been replaced by rawness.
  • Quote:
    “R&B is supposed to be foreplay… you can’t say what you want to say to your girl, so you put the record on. It’s supposed to calm you down.” — Keith Sweat [14:10]
    “They started going like… Pistol whip me and choke me and spit in my face.” — Fat Joe [14:48]

Sampling, Influence, and Humor (15:55–17:12)

• Discussion of how modern artists sample Keith Sweat’s music but use explicit lyrics, twisting the original meaning.
• Fat Joe breaks down a sample clearance story filled with humor and admiration for Keith’s business acumen.

Songwriting Credits & Unselfish Hits (18:36–21:22)

• Sweep across Keith’s huge songwriting resume:
  • “Freak Me” (Silk)
  • “Just Got Paid” (Johnny Kemp)
  • “Let’s Chill” (Guy)
  • Multiple LSG and Immature tracks
  • Drew Hill’s “Share My World”
• Quote:
  “I wrote on the Drew Hill first album… Share My World and…” — Keith Sweat [20:21]

Business Savvy & Battle Scars (28:05–34:53)

• Fat Joe and Keith unpack the hard lessons of the music business—shady contracts, lawyer tricks, and the necessity of watching your back.
• Keith advocates for multiple layers of legal oversight:
  • Quotes:
    “I got lawyers watching lawyers. It’s the truth.” — Jadakiss [33:17]
    “Don’t sign no paper without an attorney… but even if you sign an attorney, you better check another attorney.” — Fat Joe [33:05, 33:11]

Afrobeats & Global R&B Vibes (35:40–37:39)

• Keith shares his excitement about creating Afrobeats-inspired music, drawn in by the genre’s sensual and feel-good energy.
  • Quote:
    “That’s the new R&B, baby. Afrobeats got that whole vibe, you know, no matter where you at.” — Keith Sweat [36:00]

Live Shows & Iconic Collaborations (37:26–41:40)

• Recounting legendary R&B tours and stage moments, including:
  • Keith’s showmanship—like appearing onstage on a bed for “I Give All My Love to You.”
  • Picking duet partners like Athena Cage for perfection in every performance.

Hip-Hop Shoutouts & Cultural Impact (39:38–41:42)

• Keith’s influence across genres: countless rappers (like Drake—“I’m a light-skinned Keith Sweat”) mention him in songs.
• Fat Joe points out the multi-generational impact—Keith has touched the mothers, daughters, and kids.
  • Memorable moment:
    “Even Fat Joe, your number one fan, wouldn’t bet that every 23-year-old would know every single Keith Sweat word… The whole stadium starts singing every word.” — Fat Joe [40:17]

Business Masterclass: Negotiation & Knowing Your Worth (43:44–45:13)

• Classic story of Keith negotiating performance fees, referencing COVID-era PPP loans for leverage—legendary for his ability to secure what he’s worth.
  • Notable Quote:
    “You got 10 million PPP. You gotta spend that or you go to jail, my brother.” — Fat Joe (paraphrasing Keith Sweat’s negotiation) [44:48]

Keith’s 2026 Hit & Current Work (56:13–62:21)

• The debut of Keith’s new Afrobeats-inspired single, “Working,” featuring Nigerian singer King Maddie.
  • They all hype up the track as a future smash, amazed at Keith’s longevity—hits from 1988 to 2026.
  • Standout moment:
    “How the fuck it feel to drop a hit at 88 in 2026, drop another hit. Know how hard it is to do that? That’s a smash hit. Ain’t nothing they could do with that.” — Fat Joe [60:50]
  • King Maddie’s vocals receive special recognition.

Legacy, Ownership, & Influence (62:33–66:04)

• Keith explains his move to Atlanta was to give his mother a better life—eventually leading to setting up his own home studio and producer space. As a result, he owns all his masters.
• The importance of self-ownership in music (“that’s G!”).
• Fat Joe and Keith repeatedly express how seeing legends living well (Johnny Gill, Mary J. Blige, etc.) brings them joy and pride.

Humor, Health, & Real Talk (47:49–51:36)

• Playful discussion about hairlines, aging, and why both take pride in their appearance.
• On health: Keith credits staying away from hard drugs for his long career and health.

Industry and Podcast Culture (52:41–54:07)

• Quick shots at podcast industry politics—every superstar wants to guest, but Joe and Jada keep it authentic and selective.

Closing & Shoutouts (66:04–66:12)

• Fat Joe and Jadakiss step on stage with “girl scream like a Keith” energy, closing the episode with appreciation for their guest and brother, Keith Sweat.

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Notable Quotes

• R&B’s Evolution:
  “R&B is supposed to be foreplay… supposed to calm you down. We need to calm this shit down, have a real conversation.” — Keith Sweat [14:10]

• Sampling & Legacy:
  “They sampling my shit and saying the same shit on my shit… Wasn’t meant to be that.” — Jadakiss [15:57]

• Legal Lessons:
  “I got lawyers watching lawyers. It’s the truth… these attorneys are friends with record companies, so you gotta have an attorney watch the attorney.” — Jadakiss [33:17]

• On Afrobeats:
  “Afrobeats got that whole vibe, you know, no matter where you at… the music is sensual and it just feels like it should be me.” — Keith Sweat [36:30]

• On Multigenerational Impact:
  “I done touched the mamas, the daughters, the little kids.” — Keith Sweat [40:13]

• On Longevity:
  “How the fuck it feel to drop a hit at 88 and in 2026 drop another hit?” — Fat Joe [60:50]

• Ownership:
  “That’s why I got all my masters on my reels in my garage… Cause I did it on my board, SSL board in my house.” — Keith Sweat [63:29]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Keith’s early influences & Apollo story: [08:05–11:14]
• State of R&B & explicit lyrics debate: [13:40–15:57]
• Keith’s classic songwriting credits: [18:36–21:22]
• Music business pitfalls & legal advice: [28:05–34:53]
• Afrobeats and new R&B direction: [35:40–37:39]
• King Maddie collab and new single (“Working”): [56:13–62:21]
• Keith’s move to Atlanta & studio ownership: [62:33–64:02]

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Conclusion & Vibe

The episode is a rowdy, reverent celebration of R&B history, Keith Sweat’s enduring genius, and the culture of collaboration and resilience. Joe and Jada bring their trademark humor and authenticity, ensuring both a history lesson and a masterclass in staying true to your art and business. Keith embodies wisdom and adaptation—from penning classics to merging with Afrobeats—remaining a bridge between eras while inspiring the next wave.

Transcript

[Jadakiss]

I'm Bowen Yang. And I'm Matt Rogers. During this season of the Two Five Rings podcast, in the lead up to the Milan Cortina 2026 Winter Olympic Games, we've been joined by some of our friends.

[Fat Joe]

Hi, Bon. Hi, Matt.

[Jadakiss]

Hey, Elmo. Hey, Matt. Hey, Bowen.

[Fat Joe]

Hi, Cookie.

[Jadakiss]

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[Fat Joe]

You experiences from our hearts to your ears.

[Jadakiss]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Jadakiss]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Jadakiss]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Jadakiss]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Jadakiss]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Jadakiss]

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[Fat Joe]

Speak slow for him.

[Jadakiss]

Talk slow to him.

[Fat Joe]

And let me just let me lick.

[Jadakiss]

You up and down. See you say stop.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. Yeah, Joe Crack the dawn, AKA Gerald.

[Jadakiss]

Rest in peace. To my big brother. You know it is your boy Jada Kiss. You know what it is? The Joe and Jada Show. Every show legendary, Every show iconic. I can't guarantee your safety when we talk about today's guest, a lot of things come to mind.

[Fat Joe]

Timeless classics.

[Jadakiss]

Somebody that grinded from the bottom.

[Fat Joe]

Shows you my top five. Dead or alive. You know, that turns nothing into something.

[Jadakiss]

Into a lot of something, into a plethora of success.

[Fat Joe]

Biggest in the motherfucking game.

[Jadakiss]

Songwriter, genius, businessman, ability to break groups.

[Fat Joe]

Smarter than everybody.

[Jadakiss]

One of the flyest niggas ever in the world.

[Fat Joe]

That's fucking right.

[Jadakiss]

Ladies and gentlemen, without further ado, make some noise for our guest today. Keep swag.

[Fat Joe]

What's up?

[Jadakiss]

What's up? What up? What up, baby? What up? What's up, brother? How you doing, baby? Long time no sleep, man. Yeah, you know, you know, you know what? You know how we used to do it. We gonna get into there?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. Nah, I want to hear that off Rip like you was telling me a.

[Jadakiss]

Story before we even go corporate style. Young Kiss. I'm in the studio. Bad boy. They working on a Lavert, Sweat and Gill album.

[Fat Joe]

Hello, G. I was pinning some bars.

[Jadakiss]

As I was telling you earlier. You know what I mean? For somebody. A dice game breaks out.

[Fat Joe]

My brother, right that go Keith and.

[Jadakiss]

Gerald got the bank.

[Fat Joe]

Now every.

[Jadakiss]

I'm like, oh, yeah. I'm giving me some of this R and B money tonight, baby. If I.

[Fat Joe]

The last thing I.

[Jadakiss]

If I don't finish the song, I'm.

[Fat Joe]

Going home with some rap. They sleep on R B. They think you r you might be.

[Jadakiss]

They got that shit on silk linen. They and the whole student.

[Fat Joe]

Everybody bunny rabbits.

[Jadakiss]

Rabbit is the whole junior mafia. We don't lie.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, Sweat, you ain't feel sorry for these guys. You took all they money. Smoke. That's that Harlem, huh?

[Jadakiss]

That's their money. And say, yo, I talk to y' all later.

[Fat Joe]

That's a fact.

[Jadakiss]

I never forget it, dog. You can't tell me I wasn't going home with. I didn't even care if I finished the session. I got so much shadow and Keith today. Psych. They and me. I'm talking about to the bones Gristle, man.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, the whole studio, though.

[Jadakiss]

We killed everybody out. Cleaned the damn whole stew out.

[Fat Joe]

So you've been a gambler your whole life? You was always nice and shooting dice?

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, I'm good at that. You know, I used to tell when I go on. Used to go on tour and go to casinos. I used to tell everybody bet on me. Everybody made money.

[Fat Joe]

Who used to bet against. Like, why other R B singers at the tour or just at that casino crap table?

[Jadakiss]

Casino. I'm good.

[Fat Joe]

I'm good. That's crazy. I remember when I Wasn't talking to Jay Z or OG Juan. I go down to Atlantic City with Chris Gotti, and, you know, I don't gamble for nothing. He does. I caught Beginnings. I was rolling for like an hour straight. They was like seven. We just kept winning. That boy Juan couldn't bet. He's on the other table. He looks sick. Like a pup. He like, damn, this nigga got the role of a lifetime. I mean, I was literally on there for like an hour. They said one thing that's crazy about the casino. When you win, they don't want to give you your money, huh?

[Jadakiss]

Nah, they don't.

[Fat Joe]

They don't want to give you your money.

[Jadakiss]

They want to compare. They want to compare anything. I had the biggest rooms than ever at the Mandalay Bay. Cause they would comp.

[Fat Joe]

They fucked up with me one time. They comped me the biggest suite. Is the only time my grandmother ever left the Bronx. She never left the block in like, 80 something years. I. I gassed her to go to Atlantic City with me. She looking out the window like it's Marshes. Like she couldn't believe. It was so beautiful. She never been in the shit. So we in there. Them niggas was sending me lobsters, steaks, all type of shit. I don't know nobody. They kept coming up to the room. You ready to go downstairs, Mr. Joe? I was like, nah, I'm chilling. We eating lobsters, we champagne, everything. They be like, Mr. Joe, you ready to come downstairs? I was like, man, I might have played a couple of slots on them niggas and broke out. Like, they got. They lost with me. I'm telling you that. That's like an all you can eat buffet. They lost Sweat, man. Let me tell you something. You're one of my idols. You're one of my biggest inspirations. You know, I'm thinking driving down here, well, passenger down here, mayor's car, and I'm just thinking, like, I remember when I fell in love with your music. I never even thought I would meet you in my life, like, just to meet you, you know what I'm saying? And the fact that we're friends, you know, is surreal to me. Who's like that for you? Like, you know, I love Keith Sweat. I bring you to every party. I didn't. You know, who's like that for you? That was out before you that you can't believe you became cool with, or you or you love.

[Jadakiss]

Like, there was a few people. JG J, Johnny Gill. You know, when I met Gerald, you know what I'm saying it was like Eddie Lavert when I met them. You know, I grew up listening, you know. Casanova. Casanova was one of our joints, you.

[Fat Joe]

Know, Never been friends, you know. That's my. That's my Harlem right here.

[Jadakiss]

So. So when I, you know, when I first came out, like everybody used to go to the Holiday, you know, Jersey full roof full in a roof full. So, you know, that's why you spend a lot of time. And I had to hear reggae.

[Fat Joe]

God damn, that must have been cute, you know.

[Jadakiss]

Cause you know, you take the girl, you take the girl over to Route 4. So that's how I met Lavert. Not Mark. I met Mark.

[Fat Joe]

You met him at Route 4?

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, at the Holiday Inn. That Holiday Inn, Route 4, right. Everybody.

[Fat Joe]

The new one, by the way.

[Jadakiss]

Everybody used to go that one back in the day. You know what I'm saying? It's like, you know, right off the turnpike. Boom, right there. So that's where I met Mark at. They were standing there and they had a show at the Apollo. And I went to the machine. Cause I came out the room and went to the snack machine to get a little son. And I said, oh, man, that was what I wanted. Just dropped it. Just had came out. I said, oh, man. Damn. You Mark from Lavert?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

I said, yeah. He said, you know, you know, Mark had the dark shades on. You know how Mark was. He had that dark shades on. He said, yeah, I'm Keith Sweat. He said, keith Sweat. That name sound familiar? Yeah, I got the little record I call I wanna. He said, oh, shit, that's Jill favorite record. We got a show at the Apollo tonight with the Whispers. Said you should come by. So I came by. That was my first time meeting Gerald and you know, Sean and all them. So you know what I'm saying. And then once we met each other, we became the best of friends. We became like brothers. And you know. Cause I never thought, you know, I was big friends of the OJs and the verse. So used to go to Cleveland all the time and stay at the house and everything. So for them, that was Johnny and him was like, that's why I put the LSG thing together. Cause they were all my. Always my two favorites still.

[Fat Joe]

Wow, I didn't know that.

[Jadakiss]

But Johnny at Apollo, though, for you, when you say you went pulled up on them at the Apollo. For me, when I think of the Apollo, I'm not sure if I turned. I was even turning 11, I was even 12 or 13. And I'm like, it's for my Birthday. I don't know what I asked for for that particular birthday, but you ended.

[Fat Joe]

Up at the Apollo.

[Jadakiss]

My mom and my dad. For you suckers that didn't grow up with two parents. And you think it's a bad thing they took me to the Apollo. It's you, Heavy D.

[Fat Joe]

It was the.

[Jadakiss]

Best show of model. I'm like, what I'm gonna do in a concert. My mom's right here, My pop's right here. This shit was amazing, dog. You killed it. Left a lifetime memory on me forever. Just keep sweat. Lol. And at the Apollo. Shit was incredible. I would never forget it.

[Fat Joe]

They ripped.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, that was my first. It was crazy. Cause my first tour was with Heavy D and Du Bois, Salt and Pepper and myself. That was my first tour.

[Fat Joe]

You know. Shout out to Salt and Pepper. They just won the award in the hall of Fame. I was so proud of them, you know, Let me tell you something. I did some shows with Salt and Pepa and the women. It's 99. It definitely ain't Fat Joe fans at that show. Cause the women is 99% come out for. I mean, there is no men and the whole audience is just women. Three guys went up in there to hear Flozel. Know what I'm saying? So Salt and Pepper, man. I'm so proud of them. We love them, man. And you know, Heavy D, that's another one of my idols, you know, I got to be real cool with. Have Heavy come to Miami and hang out with us. I remember the first time I met him. The same situation. Like a lavert. I'm at Tavern on the Green. They was throwing them ill parties. And I'm using the restroom and the door opened and somebody going, you gotta flow, Joe. You gotta. I turned around and fucking Heavy D almost pissed on myself. I couldn't fucking believe it. I was like, yo, AV Is my fucking idol, man. He walked in and we got cool and we went to eat after that. And I was just like, yo, Heavy D, like, to me, that's that. That was like.

[Jadakiss]

That was that era, man.

[Fat Joe]

That was the best era. You know, we had Mike Epps on here, and Mike Epps gave. I told him, what's your top five comedians? He ain't mentioned Dave Chappelle. His excuse for not mentioning it was right on. Because he says, you know me and Chappelle, the same era. I gotta mention Richard Pryor. I gotta mention the old school guys that was before us, who inspired us. That's how I feel. I could sit here and say, Nas, Jay, Z. But we all from the same era. When they asked me, I gotta say, ll krs, you know, that's that era before us. These are guys we used to look at when we didn't even think we would ever be a rapper or be successful. So, you know, when I met Heavy D, man, I used to try to dance like Heavy D. I still try to dress like Heavy D today. I'm Gerald Lavert, though recipes as Lee, I heard some stories about Gerald. He had the ladies, man, Gerald. Girl, you know, ain't nothing I won't do for you. The guys ain't giving it up like that no more. Like, they're not singing to the woman.

[Jadakiss]

Like, how do you feel, boy? The state of R and B, or is it even the state? I feel like they trying to do away with the kind of music we was raised and grew up on, the texture of it. Like, what I said about R and B now is the R. Some of the R and B artists, they want to rap. They want to be rappers. Because, you know, they. My attitude is R and B is supposed to be full play. Like when you breaking up, making up with your girl, you won't play something fly, you know, because if you arguing, screaming, fuck you, and all that type of stuff, then you put a R and B record on the R and B record saying the same thing you done added more confusion. The R and B record cursing at all of y' all too. You know what I'm saying? So the R and B record supposed to calm you down? Listen, baby, I can't say what I want to say to you, so I'm gonna let this record say it, you know what I'm saying? So we need to calm this shit down, have a real conversation. Cause if I'm gonna fuck you and hit me over the head and the RV records, talk about all that, you like, yo, let's get you. It's a night, it's still a fight.

[Fat Joe]

I'll tell you something. This shit got out of here about two years ago. So I'm used to listening to ll, doing it and doing it well. Doing, you know, the guy. And girl, you know, I need love or you all shorty, I need you. Every time they start to fuck me, nigga, Pistol Whippy while I'm with the dick, like a glorilla and a money bag or something. Like, they started going like. I'm like, what the. It's going up. Pistol whip me and choke me and spit in my face when you. This, this, I owe your dick. I'm Like, I owe your dick. Why you pee? I'm like, yo, this shit out of control. Like, this ain't doing it. Well, this ain't not this shit. I'm like, yo, this is the new. This the new Bonnie and Clyde. No, no, no. I'm dead serious. You know that. This ain't good.

[Jadakiss]

I can't do that. Cause he right.

[Fat Joe]

No, you right.

[Jadakiss]

It's a better way to describe it.

[Fat Joe]

Pistol with me, nigga, with me. I'm like, yeah, hold up. But that's what they said.

[Jadakiss]

So it's confused.

[Fat Joe]

You know, the emoji, your head blow. I'm like, yo, this is crazy.

[Jadakiss]

And then they sampling my shit.

[Fat Joe]

Chime into that kiss, and they sampling.

[Jadakiss]

My shit and saying the same shit on my shit. I'm like, oh, my. Wasn't meant to be that.

[Fat Joe]

Y' all listen.

[Jadakiss]

That's a fact, man. Don't do that to that classic.

[Fat Joe]

Let me tell you something, Keith Sweater Jadakiss. I noticed right now they got something in common. They got, like, the same humor. I sent Patrick Keith. He said, yeah, no problem, Joe. Send it over. Because his people were trying to front. But I knew once I get Keith on the phone, was it you I was talking to? He was like, well, you know. I said, okay, don't worry, you'll get a phone call. Fucking Keith Sweat, call that motherfucker. Two minutes. Like, that's Joe. Crap, we cleared it. He said, send me the song, Joe. I sent it to say, God damn, you jacked my whole fucking song. You're singing every word of mine, Joe. It's gonna cost you right here. I said, yo, Sweat, whatever the fuck you want. You got it, baby. But. And. Cause we had the best of the best coming on this show. And given that was one of the greatest answers to any question I have asked. Where you say, yo, the R and B is the foreplay. It's the. It's the. You know, you can't.

[Jadakiss]

Everything can't be fucked you up and described. That's perfect.

[Fat Joe]

I was the perfect Sweat, man. Let me tell you something. But you my theme song, man. For my life that nobody that I used to drive. Cause I was scared to fly. And you know when you meet your wife for the first time and you get that song. We have everybody dizzy in the Lexus. We keep playing Nobody 10,000 times. From fucking the Bronx to Miami, 24 hour drive. Nobody, baby. Is that the biggest song you ever put out? Or you got a bigger one?

[Jadakiss]

Then Make It Last and Nobody are the biggest. You know, maybe Twisted make Nobody make it last.

[Fat Joe]

The Make It Last album Twisted is dead, too. It ain't my favorite.

[Jadakiss]

All of them shits is forever.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, no, no. I did the 20th anniversary. You was there, leaned back and he could have did whatever I said. Nah, Keith. I wanted him to come out the side and go, girl, I've been thinking about you all day long. Yo, that shit crazy the way you started that ref girl, right? Like, how do you get that shit right on time? They didn't have pro tools there.

[Jadakiss]

They came in lit.

[Fat Joe]

They had no pro tools. That shit start. Girl, I didn't think that shit take off immediately. Genius is an understatement.

[Jadakiss]

Facts.

[Fat Joe]

Let's not even talk about Keith Sweat. Let's talk about the songs you wrote. Because people don't really understand all the hit records you've written for everybody else. And you gotta be very unselfish to give other artists smash hit records.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, I wrote Freak Me, Freak me, baby Lose control when me and you up.

[Fat Joe]

Let him stop. Tell them a couple more. No, no, but you gotta say it and give him a little bar of it, Keith. Cause some of these people, they slow. Speak slow for em.

[Jadakiss]

Talk slow to em. Let me lick you up. And then do you say stop?

[Fat Joe]

What else? You freak me, baby.

[Jadakiss]

He wrote mad. Just got paid.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, God. Just got paid Friday night. Who that? Johnny Kemp. Right?

[Jadakiss]

Johnny Kemp. I wrote that with Teddy. Let's chill. I wrote with Teddy and Bernard. Let's chill.

[Fat Joe]

I know that. I know that because somebody said they cleared it, they had to stop by Keith. Keith Sweat office. I knew he wrote less chill.

[Jadakiss]

You know, wow.

[Fat Joe]

Let's chill.

[Jadakiss]

Like immature. Extra, extra. Read all about it. Hey, I wrote a lot.

[Fat Joe]

No, you.

[Jadakiss]

LSG wrote all that.

[Fat Joe]

Lsg.

[Jadakiss]

Half of the LSG album, yeah. Oh, half of the LSG album. I wrote all my hits. You know what I'm saying? So.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. Yep. How? All right. No, no, no. It's very, very important.

[Jadakiss]

I wrote Drew. I wrote on Drew Hill first album.

[Fat Joe]

What you wrote for Drew Hill.

[Jadakiss]

Share My World and. Oh, shit.

[Fat Joe]

Very underestimated Drew Hill. They got bomb classics, I think. Cisco dancing and doing all that shit. You know, throw them off for the. You know, like, you know, the Drew Hill, Jagged Edge. I'm going Jagged Edge because, you know, they throwing the army on and the furs and. Yeah, that guy got the dance and, you know, shout out to Jewel. You know, you go to keep sweatshirt bed. I remember going to the Key sweatshow. I'm damn near upper deck. You had the bed in the middle of all Madison Square Garden.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah. The bed came up on. On. I give all my love to you.

[Fat Joe]

I give all my love to you, y'. All.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah. I used to walk up to the top and get on the bed. The bed go down like this. Yeah, that was. That was on the Triple Threat Tour.

[Fat Joe]

That was an amazing.

[Jadakiss]

He was doing shit like that. How many years ago is that, man?

[Fat Joe]

That's bad something years ago. This is fucking Keith Sweat.

[Jadakiss]

I'm trying to.

[Fat Joe]

Keith Sweat, you know where I want to go. They get mad at me, right? I'm the. I don't. I'm 55. I don't give a fuck. I'll show my age. I don't give a fuck. I don't. I go to Stephanie Mills show. I go to the Whisper Show. I go, so Jimmy Jam, another fucking phenom songwriter, right? The man doing some shit. I'm like, yo, I'm listening to the radio. They said the 15 wine celery shit. I said, yo, get my tickets now. I'm going to see Jimmy Jam. He gonna talk about all the songs he wrote. And you know my favorite band of all time is SOS Band.

[Jadakiss]

Okay.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, I recently found out. Jimmy Jam. Roll all that. Just be good to me.

[Jadakiss]

Woo.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, I'm pulling up.

[Jadakiss]

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[Fat Joe]

This month, iHeartRadio is celebrating the stars of the 2026 Winter Games. Scottsdale, Arizona produced Austin Matthews, who headlines a star studded roster as NHL players return to the Olympics. One of the most lethal goal scorers.

[Jadakiss]

In the world, Matthews brings his elite.

[Fat Joe]

Wrist shot and MVP pedigree to Team usa. For the first time in a decade, the world's best pros are facing off for national glory.

[Jadakiss]

And Matthews looks to lead the American.

[Fat Joe]

Americans to a miracle finish in Italy. For more Winter Games gold search olympics on the iHeartRadio app.

[Jadakiss]

Welcome to the A Building. I'm Hans Charles.

[Fat Joe]

I'm Menelik Lumumba.

[Jadakiss]

It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr.

[Fat Joe]

Have both been assassinated.

[Jadakiss]

And black America was at a breaking point. Rioting and protest broke out on an unprecedented scale in Atlanta, Georgia. At Martin's alma mater, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in black history, Martin Luther King Sr. And a young student, Samuel L. Jackson.

[Fat Joe]

To be in what we really thought was a revolution. I mean, people were dying.

[Jadakiss]

1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone.

[Fat Joe]

The FBI had a role in the.

[Jadakiss]

Murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should, and it will blow your mind. Listen to the A Building on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Bowen Yang. And I'm Matt Rogers. During this season of the Two Guys Five Rings podcast, in the lead up to the Milan Cortina 2026 Winter Olympic Games, we've been joined by two some of our friends.

[Fat Joe]

Hi, Bud. Hi, Matt.

[Jadakiss]

Hey, Elmo. Hey, Matt. Hey, Bowen.

[Fat Joe]

Hi, Cookie.

[Jadakiss]

Hi. Now the Winter Olympic Games are underway and we are in Italy to give.

[Fat Joe]

You experiences from our hearts to your ears.

[Jadakiss]

Listen to Two Guys Five Rings on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever.

[Fat Joe]

You get your podcasts. What do you do when the headlines.

[Jadakiss]

Don'T explain what's happening inside of you? I'm Ben Higgins. And if you can hear me is where culture meets the soul. A place for real conversation. Each episode I sit down with people from all walks of life. Celebrities, thinkers and Everyday folks, and we go deeper than the polished story. We talk about what drives us, what shapes us, and what gives us hope. We get honest about the big stuff. Identity when you don't recognize yourself anymore. Loss that changes you. Purpose when success isn't enough. Peace when your mind won't slow down. Faith when it's complicated. Some guests have answers. Most are still figuring it out. If you've ever felt like there has to be more to the story, this show is for you. Listen to if youf Can Hear me on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Fat Joe]

Segregation in the day, integration at night. When segregation was the law, one mysterious.

[Jadakiss]

Black club owner had his own rules.

[Fat Joe]

We didn't worry about what went on outside. It was like stepping in another world. Inside Charlie's Place, black and white people danced together. But not everyone was happy about it.

[Jadakiss]

You saw the kkk. Yeah, they was dressed up in their uniform. The KKK set out to raid Charlie.

[Fat Joe]

Take him away from here. Charlie was an example of power.

[Jadakiss]

They had to crush him.

[Fat Joe]

From Atlas Obscura, Rococo Punch and visit Myrtle beach comes Charlie's Place, a story.

[Jadakiss]

That was nearly lost to time until now.

[Fat Joe]

Listen to Charlie's place on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Keith Sweat, you're a very shrewd businessman. I heard some stories about you behind the scene. Is it you or is it N? It's Keith Sweat. You're a good businessman. Obviously, if he got. But it's key.

[Jadakiss]

Sweat, did you go through a lot of early to learn, you know, to get tightened up?

[Fat Joe]

And I think he was smart.

[Jadakiss]

Be very stern or you came in. I went through a little.

[Fat Joe]

Not everybody.

[Jadakiss]

Not, not. Not what Everybody.

[Fat Joe]

Not raping you record.

[Jadakiss]

I went.

[Fat Joe]

Nah, I can't throw the flag. Yo, we had a meeting the other day. He said, I really went through that. Jadakiss was like, this feels like all over again. I said, man, this guy's traumatized. This guy. 30 years later, they did some shit to these dudes. I was like, yo, Jada, calm down. I thought the real gangster that ain't this.

[Jadakiss]

I thought the real gangsters kill you, rob you, all that. I never knew they had contract gangsters.

[Fat Joe]

I've never got robbed John Gotti's of contracts, of jury, whatever you want to name mountains. Pull out a gun on me, rob me, dumb suit. What's the guy? The lawyers as you see that told you the.

[Jadakiss]

Is his name Jelly Bean? Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, he robbed me 20 million? Yeah. He came to me on the Latino shit. Yo, we Latino. I'mma watch your back, yo. Yeah, sign your publishing. I'll take care of you. I've discovered Madonna out there. That raping you. He robbed me for, like, 15 years. You know how I found out? I did a soundtrack for a movie. And to me at the time, it was big money. I was like, Yo, I need 150,000. You know, I'm on fire. I'm thinking, I can't. You know, I come for $500 a show, right? I'm getting them for 150. They said, hold up. You know, your publisher, he wants 350. I said, who? What? It was like, yeah, Jelly Bean Benitez want to allow you to be on this soundtrack. He wants 350. I think I'm robbing him for 150. That's when I. Oh, no, we got to find this dude. Cause, you know, he wasn't in the same circus, and it was in Malibu and all that. We had to catch him outside of the award show and be like, your brother. The gig's up.

[Jadakiss]

Like, these lawyers know both parties, so they got their friends over here. They act like they your friend over there. So they put these little things in the contract that, you know, because they supposed to have watch your back. I got two lawyers going after.

[Fat Joe]

I'm.

[Jadakiss]

Put it right there. I'mma get that ass, though, because they slick. So I just gotta, you know, be slick. So I gotta get that.

[Fat Joe]

They robbing me now. The lawyers. I got some. Allegedly. I don't know if I could say. I got some serious. I got some serious friends who. Thank you. I got some serious friends, and I don't care if we in dinner or whatever, these fucking lawyers. But I never understood that. I felt like, you do your job, I pay you this and this. Right now, I'm like, these fucking lawyers. Like, yo, these lawyers.

[Jadakiss]

So you're going through the same thing I'm going through right now.

[Fat Joe]

They the biggest crooks I've ever seen.

[Jadakiss]

Oh, you know, you gotta. But, you know, some of them, when they doing what they doing, you know, they can lose their license because they really.

[Fat Joe]

Man, I don't know about that.

[Jadakiss]

Nah, they gonna.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, they gotta do a lot to lose their life.

[Jadakiss]

What I'm tell you is, like, if you doing things, knowing you're doing things, and you catch them. You know what I'm saying? It's like. It's like if they're representing both parties.

[Fat Joe]

We caught one 20 times. Keith, he still ain't Get.

[Jadakiss]

Well, let me tell you, half of the time they represent both parties, but you don't know they represent both parties, you know what I'm saying? Because they finagling in the contract where you don't know they represent this party and that party. So they can't be serving your best interest. And they job is to serve your best interest, right? And if you go to court and say they didn't have my best interest at heart and they finagled me because they were friends over here and they didn't serve my best interest half of the time if you go to the right, get the right judge and go to the right place. Because a lot of times they put in the contract, we will only settle this in this state or this whatever they powerful, right? So basically what it is, if you're doing business in any state, whether the land or whatever, if that business is being done in that particular state, you can sue in that particular state. You know all that shit about we got to go to Connecticut, the settle is all that, that these guys, man.

[Fat Joe]

Let me tell you something. I could tell you guys 1 million percent you need an attorney. Don't sign no paper without an attorney. But these guys, let's just say they get paid well, they want the bag.

[Jadakiss]

We said don't sign a paper without an attorney.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, I won't sign a paper without an attorney.

[Jadakiss]

Even if you sign an attorney, you.

[Fat Joe]

Better check another attorney.

[Jadakiss]

The attorney attorney.

[Fat Joe]

Attorney for an attorney, right?

[Jadakiss]

Did you hear bi? I got lawyers watching lawyers. It's the truth. No, you gotta because the attorney, half these attorneys are friends with these record companies and whatever. So they boy, so you got to have an attorney watch the attorney. Fact you can't have this. Like you have to have an attorney who don't know this attorney to read.

[Fat Joe]

Whether this attorney after getting robbed 50,000 Judas is crooked. I got a girl, she's been my attorney maybe 10 years. And everybody I work with, they're like, yo, you need a bigger time attorney. You need this. And I said, listen, she be somebody that's for, you know, you and don't rob. And she's smart and I'm fucking with her, right? And every attorney, you know, try to have a meeting with me. Joe, you know, I'm like, bro, I've been through them fast talking niggas, I'm good. Let me stay with my girl. She watched my back. She may be a little bit slower than them, meaning like in speed, but she got your best mother. Oh no, she, she, she not playing with it. But these other guys, you use them for any. Oof, my God, I'm dizzy. This said Happy New Year. They gave me a bill. No, if I tell you the matter of fact, when we get off there, I'm gonna tell you this lawyer bill. You gonna. You gonna smoke 40 blunts for me. You and K gonna roll them shits up and smoke 36 therapy blunts. You're gonna be like, give me the whole body chronic. I can't be 55 paying this like this. I'm supposed to be on my retirement gatherings. Like they.

[Jadakiss]

You're supposed to be looking like Gerald.

[Fat Joe]

He's trying to wipe me out.

[Jadakiss]

Look, look, look.

[Fat Joe]

They get mad at me like, you used to spent too much money on clothes. I'm saying, you. I'm working for this money. I'mma be fly till I die. Like, look at. Yo, Keith, you look amazing. Thank you, my brother and I tell him every time I FaceTime you. I tell him all the time. Every time I FaceTime Keith, he on a machine running 30 miles. But I. You think you work out? You call Keith Sweat anytime in the nigga. Like the Incredible Hulk. He's gone, bro. In the fucking hip. He don't jog on a trail he ain't walking. He gone all systems go. That's why he look great.

[Jadakiss]

Movement is medicine. Now you tapping into Afro beats. What's going on with that? Yeah, that's the new R and B, baby. I can feel that. I feel the new. Because, you know, the R and B had changed so much. I just wanted something that made you feel good, that made you, you know. Cause Afrobeat got that. Yeah, it got that whole vibe, you know, no matter where you at. Out the country. In the country you like. Oh, that shit, it feels like. Don't, girl, don't stop me. Look. So that whole Afrobeat thing got a whole vibe to it. So that's what made me tap into that. Because, you know, I always love Afrobeat. I always love it. But the music is sensual. It's sex essential. And you know, it just says all the right. So that's why I tap into it. I always love this, though. It just feels like it should be me.

[Fat Joe]

Me too. You know, Africa's so big. I always knew that shit was gonna blow on another level. When I'm out there, I thought you.

[Jadakiss]

Was about to say Afro Beat started in the Bronx.

[Fat Joe]

We might have. Oh, hold up. No, hold up.

[Jadakiss]

Go. No, don't co Sign that shit.

[Fat Joe]

Listen, we might. Let me explain something. We might have more Africans definitely in the Fucking Bronx.

[Jadakiss]

In Africa.

[Fat Joe]

I wouldn't say Africa, but the Bronx is African mania. Like we got Africans all over the world. I'm not saying African American, straight people from Ghana, God, boom. From fucking Zamonga. They in that Bronx. There's no more Puerto Ricans in the Bronx. It's all in Africa. It's Africa.

[Jadakiss]

You know how we like tours, right? He got the R and B Lovers tour. Come know how he like going. Look who he got.

[Fat Joe]

Look who's on the bill.

[Jadakiss]

Joe Drew Hill. Genuine Cut Close.

[Fat Joe]

Cut Close. That's crazy.

[Jadakiss]

Really?

[Fat Joe]

Get up. You wrote that shit, huh? Get up on it. That's one of the greatest.

[Jadakiss]

That's classic.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, Cut close. All right, this is what I was asking you before. The man detoured me, right?

[Jadakiss]

To help you get to this question.

[Fat Joe]

Detoured me to Africa, man. Let me tell you something. Creating music is something you gotta be born with. How did you know the woman to put on the duets with you? Like they just as good as you, bro.

[Jadakiss]

Right, right.

[Fat Joe]

What was her name? Athena.

[Jadakiss]

Athena Cage.

[Fat Joe]

Geez, this. Let's give it up for Athena Cage. Yo man, like how do you pick, cuz? All these girls singing back to you, it was just perfection. Everyone, every cut, clothes, perfection, everything. When you come in, I like the way you hand. You thought they kill that you come real freaky, baby. Yeah, but how do you pick the perfect people to like, like, like, like.

[Jadakiss]

Going in the studio, listening to them, saying, seeing if, you know, if I say sing this, saying if they can follow my lead on stuff. Cause you know, like if you can't, if you having a hard time riffing on some shit that I'm giving you, like, yo, you ain't the one, but if you can. When I heard her, her wrist was so like, oh my God, so incredible that I'm like, okay, I can write anything for this girl, you know what I mean?

[Fat Joe]

Yes.

[Jadakiss]

So when I came up, if you really really want it, and she said, I like it when you get real Vicky baby. You know what I'm saying? So she made me want to sing it like that. Like girl, when we. So she made me want to sing.

[Fat Joe]

It like that, you know, Freaky Baby was talking that shit. I step on stage, girl scream like I'm Keith. But see, that's what I mentioned on how many fucking hip hop records your man Drake, I'm a light skinned Keith Sweat. I bet how many rappers done mention Keith Sweat and they songs and all that and how you feel about that when you hear the record and they talking that Keith Sweat shit.

[Jadakiss]

I mean, it's like it just showed me the generations that I've touched, you know, like when I was talking to somebody today, they was telling I done touched the mamas.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, I'mma tell you something.

[Jadakiss]

The daughters, the little. The kids, the little kids, right?

[Fat Joe]

I'mma tell you something because I watch everything you do. You popped out in a ply show where the oldest person was 23, 25 and broke. And they sung every fucking word. Even Fat Joe, your number one fan, wouldn't be able to bet if we had to do hard rock bets. There's no way. I would have said every 23 year old would know every single D Sweat word. It's impossible. The whole stadium starts singing every fucking word like that. Gotta feel amazing.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, that shit was crazy. Cause when I went on the stage, I was supposed to hit sing nobody too. I was supposed to be a special guest and come on and sing make it Last forever and nobody. But when I got there, ply. I said, yo, I already do. Right in the wrong way.

[Fat Joe]

Right in the wrong way.

[Jadakiss]

So I think I was supposed to come on before applies. And he said, nah, you need to come on with me. So he does right in the wrong way at the end of the song. So he said, yo, this could not be no better situation. So when he started writing the wrong way, I came out. You know what I'm saying? And that's when they went crazy. Then I was went in to make it last, right? And I knew this was the Millennial tour and I was supposed to go into nobody. They said, no, no, no, we can't let him do nobody. Cause everybody, if he do nobody, there won't be no more shows.

[Fat Joe]

Sure. Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

So they made me stop.

[Fat Joe]

You be careful. They made me put out on your fucking little show. Cause they will kill that. They will body that bitch. You bring the wrong guy out. I told a story, I'll tell it again. Fuck it, man. You know somebody? Nah. Cause it's legendary. You know, one of my favorites also is El DeBarge. I tried to bring him to my birthday, maybe 10 years in a row. One year I had him, we had private plane for him. Everything Swizz beat was gonna drive him up. Motherfucker ain't show up. You know the barge he get missing. So one day I'm doing the show with Dave Chappelle. You was with me that day. Rest in peace, Clark Kent. Yo, a man hit me out of the clear blue sky, said, yo, I'm in town. I said, pull up The Madison Square Garden. Let's go. I'm coming up there. And I got him. He was oo. And I, like, the whole Garden was singing that shit that you be careful who you bring on stage, because they'll rip that shit down. Legendary on you. But, yeah, that's what happened, you know, Keith Sweat. Super. I'm gonna tell a story. I don't know if it's private and we'll cut it right, but he gets scared when I say some shit. But I remember it was Covid and somebody canceled a show. I don't know if it was Essence Fest or some festival shit. And I happened to be with you when you started politicking that money. You was like, I know you got the ppp, nigga. I know you did. I was like, yo, you think you know numbers? I was dizzy with Keith. Hold up, Joe. Yeah, you got that PPP loan. Homeboy was gonna charge you this and this and that. This is last minute. I don't know if I feel like going out there. You know this, man. You caught these dudes for so much money out there. Where was it? It had to be New Orleans. He jazz fested some shit. Yo, I heard you. I said, yo, I never seen nobody negotiate like that. Like, you a hell of a fucking negotiator.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, I mean.

[Fat Joe]

Cause well, you know your worth.

[Jadakiss]

And I know numbers. I've been like, yo, yo, I know you got that PPP loan.

[Fat Joe]

Nah, I was there and I said.

[Jadakiss]

I know you got it. I know what you got. You know what I'm saying? It's public knowledge.

[Fat Joe]

You knew what he got, too. I was standing. You was like, yo, I know what you got on the PPP loan. You gotta spend that. Otherwise it's illegal. I know what you was giving. Who was it, Frankie Beverly? Somebody was supposed to do that shit.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, because you know. Because all that. Cause a lot of people don't know. All that is public knowledge. So you can go and see what everybody got. You know what I'm saying? So if you don't know that, you're not going to go and look and see what everybody got. So I know what you got. It's not tax deductible. You ain't got to pay. Give up. No, tear it up, man. You know? So spend that money.

[Fat Joe]

That was the coldest shit. That was the coldest shit I ever seen in my life. Business negotiation. Yo, kiss this.

[Jadakiss]

He told the promoter that.

[Fat Joe]

Yes. That's hard. He's showing the promoter, yo, you got one point something.

[Jadakiss]

Not 10 million.

[Fat Joe]

You got 10 million PPP. You got to spend that shit or you go to jail, my brother. This Keith Sweat telling them. So Frankie Beverly got sick or something last minute, two days to the show, they won. Key Sweat. Key Sweat. Start telling them, you got this ppp. You paid this for the venue. I know Frankie Beverly. I do the shows with him. He ain't moving without 450 or 4.

[Jadakiss]

He was breaking this, had his whole down.

[Fat Joe]

What scientist typically, I'm like sitting there like, yo, I ain't know people could do. He got him, too. Keith got him. That's when I knew. I said, I always knew you was a smart businessman, but that's when I said, oh, no, this guy here, God forbid you negotiate with Keith. You not beating Keith Sweat. Not in the negotiation. It's in. When is it?

[Jadakiss]

So when is the. For R and B lovers, it starts in February, the first year. February 13th. Oh, right before Valentine's Day, I think. Yeah, I believe it's February 13th. But for those that want to know, you can go to keysweat.com, you know what I'm saying? Buy my bags, my candles. No doubt. He definitely got the luxury lining.

[Fat Joe]

Bags and candles. That's crazy. And I know they going out there, man. They're going to be using that rewind, too. You know what I'm saying? This shit right here.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Why be 53 when you.

[Jadakiss]

You ain't got me on none of them. Why you ain't got me on none of them boxes, man?

[Fat Joe]

Man, you definitely told me that. I'm trying to politic.

[Jadakiss]

Nah, nah, you. He told me he called me, right?

[Fat Joe]

I'm.

[Jadakiss]

Hold up flat. He told me he called me. I said, man, Joe, you ain't tell me you ain't call me about that. I did call you, man. I did call you up like, yo.

[Fat Joe]

Joe, you up, man. You had. I sell more boxes than they. I believe it.

[Jadakiss]

I said, I'm gonna make it last forever, man. I said, yeah, they see me on the look. They see me on. I still got mine look. Mine ain't going nowhere.

[Fat Joe]

This go to Turkey.

[Jadakiss]

No, ain't no Turkey. This is.

[Fat Joe]

I don't care. You go to Turkey. No, no, bro, I went to Turkey.

[Jadakiss]

That's good.

[Fat Joe]

Joe Crow. I ain't got no head, so you can't me. I went to Turkey in that fucking airport, 8 out of 10 men had they shit wrapped up and bloody like, they going to Turkey for that shit. Like girls going to Columbia doctor for bbl. They are in. The airport is flooded with dudes with they still little blood on their. They going to get their head. They think that your still el natural.

[Jadakiss]

El natural baby.

[Fat Joe]

Put them on the pocket on it.

[Jadakiss]

You know that's a no brainer. But you know what then we need to you. We need to do something together.

[Fat Joe]

How about these guys? DC Young one them guys came on the show, they were like yo kiss, you got your headlight. He said yeah, then you bought them back here. He trying to say that boy chingo bing 85 south. This pushed back here. I'll give up. I gave up a long time ago. My pushed back like that. I'm giving up. Take a bit and shave your.

[Jadakiss]

Oh, take a bit.

[Fat Joe]

Take a big. And that's what I use. You know my smooth as. But I use a big.

[Jadakiss]

I don't.

[Fat Joe]

What you want me to use a thousand dollar razor? This is just. It's better work.

[Jadakiss]

See. Passionate. My don't. I ain't gotta worry about that shit. I'm fortunate, right? Yeah yeah. You know what I'm saying? Fortunate unfortunate, baby.

[Fat Joe]

Oh no, very. I wish I tell them all the time.

[Jadakiss]

No I take these make it last forever pills so it make my hair grow, you know what I mean?

[Fat Joe]

You what. I got with Keith Sweat.

[Jadakiss]

You got, you got.

[Fat Joe]

I shot a movie with him and all that.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, we doing Darren Henson, Nicole Murphy, myself, Fat Joe Kane now did his thing in it, you know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

So you know Darren from the Bronx too. You can't dispute that he grew up with Raul or Melrose.

[Jadakiss]

So you know we got.

[Fat Joe]

If he say he ain't from the Bronx, he full of. I'm telling you, he from the Bronx.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, Darren didn't. He don't say he not from the Bronx, he from the Bronx. Cause he was on that dance, you know, he doing it break dancing. What's his name? The dance. Hey, let me ask you.

[Fat Joe]

Let me explain something to you chief, right. You never, you never been into drugs.

[Jadakiss]

Or not like that, right? That's not, that's.

[Fat Joe]

I'm not calling weed drugs, right. Weed is like a lemon. No, I'm checking. No, the point is the reason why he's still rich and get all that money is because he not on drugs and he don't take drugs. I'm trying to tell you that every time we see a legend like him look great live, I went to his house, his shit on the water, big ass estate. This, this that same thing when I watch Eddie Murphy in his fucking documentary, it start in a $90 million house. B. That shit come. I knew he ain't used drugs. That motherfucker was like, nah, nigga, I ain't never smoke a cigarette. And every time our legends are well kept and they look amazing. It's cause they didn't fuck with the drugs. The drugs are drugs. I'm not talking about the joint doing the documentary. He said they were.

[Jadakiss]

They didn't start smoking the joint till he would turn groan and already mad rich.

[Fat Joe]

I understand that some people smoke the joint when they old to go to sleep. And no, not me. I run for they.

[Jadakiss]

Boom.

[Fat Joe]

You know, I smoke for the leg.

[Jadakiss]

The house. No leg pain. What you say? You smoke weed and ran after half.

[Fat Joe]

Naked weed one time. It wasn't weed, it was weed. The girl gas Frankie baby. The sex gonna be incredible.

[Jadakiss]

That was in weed.

[Fat Joe]

Frankie baby. That said, I smoked the old dirty bastard, but she gas me. The sex gonna be great. This, this, that. I smoked that. I ran out that crib butt ass naked like three in the morning. Thank God. Kids in a heart attack. I gotta go to hospital. She gasped me, Joey, just get in the car. Don't worry, I'll take you. Get in the car. She went around the block. I took like eight showers. I ain't never do that shit again. And I'm in the studio where the DEA can knock us, nigga. Them niggas got mountains of weed in the m. Everybody smoke every night I drove home from the studio. I swore I was going to go to jail for just secondhand smoke. I smell like Jadakiss. And I don't even smoke every night. I'm going home. I smell like weed, baby. Hell yeah.

[Jadakiss]

I'm a casual smoker.

[Fat Joe]

If you could OD off the. Let me tell you, you can't smoke in this building. Shout out to Roc Nation. Somehow he found the loophole. He got a window about somewhere. This guy could smoke in this fucking place, right? He go, he come, I see. Damn, man. Then they on the Whobonic chronic. How you can't. You can't even speak too loud in this building. Jada come back and I know the difference too. I don't get high, nothing like that. But I know how to observe. I know when they gave him the pure or he's just fun with it. Like sometime they give him that, he's stuck, right? I gotta say everything in like this, look, J culture, guy style.

[Jadakiss]

Hold on, hold on, Joe.

[Fat Joe]

God forbid, what you thinking? I'm talking to you. You probably punch a guy style. You in that like, yo, yo, that.

[Jadakiss]

Crazy, but yo, your foot is full of axis Foot right now. He keeps shaking his foot. Hold on. It's the meeting foot.

[Fat Joe]

All right.

[Jadakiss]

We ain't doing deals. The deal's gonna go through or not. No.

[Fat Joe]

You know, in these offices, man, let me tell you something, Smack. We put our foot in they ass. We came on the podcast. You seen that shit, huh? That ain't no pause. Two time felon. That's just the truth. You a part of American history. What's going on here? We started a fucking podcast. These guys in the game 20 years, 10 years. This. That got 10 followers. We on with Keith Sweat, TLC. This every fucking day. They. You saw that list yesterday. Send us a list. About 30 people, superstars, all begging to be on the show.

[Jadakiss]

Talk to our people.

[Fat Joe]

This.

[Jadakiss]

They don't send me the list.

[Fat Joe]

We on Netflix in six months.

[Jadakiss]

I don't get this.

[Fat Joe]

Never do that. You think I'm delivering? I'm not.

[Jadakiss]

No.

[Fat Joe]

Let me tell you something, Keith.

[Jadakiss]

I ain't involved.

[Fat Joe]

I'm gonna tell you something. I don't give a. What he said. He want to be humble. I am not. The one thing I learned from Kanye west, you gotta say what the is going on? Cause they try to act like this regular shit. This ain't regular shit. They nerdist. They flabby and sick. Them motherfucker looking like bitch blood green out.

[Jadakiss]

He going crazy.

[Fat Joe]

I don't see the list. You know, I know they know me.

[Jadakiss]

And you is good. So they probably just told me right before you came up on the elevator.

[Fat Joe]

You know, your man Keef is.

[Jadakiss]

You know Keef is my guy.

[Fat Joe]

That's why they don't show me the list. You ain't dressed like Gerald Lavert, nigga. You should have had a mock neck on or something, man. He sweat nigga like you gotta.

[Jadakiss]

You Gerald.

[Fat Joe]

I came in. You came in, J. To kiss. Y' all is funny. I'm looking like you. I like the way you.

[Jadakiss]

Why you was not. Why you wasn't at the Knicks game last night? I was there last night, man.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, you was there last night?

[Jadakiss]

I ain't been to a Knicks game.

[Fat Joe]

Yet, but I invited.

[Jadakiss]

I ready to call Dolan.

[Fat Joe]

I invited you in the hardest game together. What's wrong with Pay the kids? Let me explain something. The hardest ticket in the world and he got access is the All Star Game. I don't give a fuck if you got pneumonia. You go to that game and you sit in that seat. Or next year Chris Tucker take your shit. They don't give you part two. You turn that shit down. You Ain't getting part two. It ain't for consideration. That seat is yours if you're blessed enough. There is no money if you sell that bitch. Billionaire dudes ask me, yo, let me give you 200,000. I said, fuck, no. They'll be like, oh, he's sitting there. Fat Joe. See, Fat Joe ain't never coming again. The other one is Christmas Day in New York City. I'm telling my business partner, yo, what's up? I got you. Let's go. Let's shit on him. Let's sit courtside. He's like, hey, you know, I'm gonna do marshmallows in the fireplace. He almost burnt down the whole fucking house with the s' mores and shit on the house. He almost burned his down with the fireplace. You doing too much, Jada. I know you on Netflix and all that, but you gotta chill.

[Jadakiss]

Did we come back. That game. That's when I was texting you.

[Fat Joe]

We won that game. You was like, yo, Joe, this started off, yo, you sleeping them. Joe, you look like you sleeping on the. We was getting our ass whipped by 20. He was dissing me the whole, yo, Joe, wake them up. It's no fluidity. They came back, he said, we got that dope.

[Jadakiss]

That was a good.

[Fat Joe]

You've seen that, right? So it's time to listen to some music. All right, let's go.

[Jadakiss]

Plugged in.

[Fat Joe]

Let's go.

[Jadakiss]

What are we listening to?

[Fat Joe]

What we listening to?

[Jadakiss]

All right, let's working, baby. Let's go. Working. Let's go working. That's what we do.

[Fat Joe]

We work.

[Jadakiss]

Play it, live.

[Fat Joe]

It.

[Jadakiss]

Come on. With that vibe. Oh, yeah. About to get another couple mil. 100 million. I put that work in. I. I put that work in. You got that fire, I got that earth when I clock in early. I think it's perfect. It's true. Hard to swallow. I got her thirst quenched. Yes, say less a girl. Say I'm a dog. Tell that I hate petsy.

[Fat Joe]

Came out the gate with wheezy, flag on the plate. Wheezy baby, shout out to wheezy. Bring that that shit.

[Jadakiss]

Rocking off the rip. Working, working for your love.

[Fat Joe]

You know I've been searching, searching, searching for your love.

[Jadakiss]

No, I've been working, working, working for your love. I put that work in. I put that work in. You got that fire, I got that earth when I clocking early. I got her thirsty, say less a girl, say I'm a dog. Tell that I hate pets. Sometime we make love, make mess and smoke. Blunt, blunt trying to be Employee of the money every month. Gotta work for it. I'm gonna work for it. That's a job well done. Like a s. Baby, baby, love me like your first born Love is blind but I search for it I know I gotta let it all work out and I'mma let that he said, don't sweat that, give me dollars make sense I can't show my godliness but when I'm close to you the feeling supernatural. Do you feel it?

[Fat Joe]

Energy?

[Jadakiss]

Is that why you play agency? I take two step forward and you take three back.

[Fat Joe]

Challenge challenge accepted. Accept.

[Jadakiss]

And I love you. I miss Feels like I dream this I've been working, working, working for your love.

[Fat Joe]

No. I've been searching, searching, searching for your.

[Jadakiss]

Love not been working, working, working for your love. You know I've been searching, searching, searching for your love. Yeah, You'll be trying to give me flowers.

[Fat Joe]

I've been outside your door Open up.

[Jadakiss]

Your heart let me give you a little more.

[Fat Joe]

This out of here, this out of here. I know there's somebody but I can't hide. Me.

[Jadakiss]

Until I find your love. Wow.

[Fat Joe]

All right, hold on, hold up. I'm prematurely speaking. When's your. What year was Your first hit? 88. How the it feel to drop a hit at 88 in 2026, drop another hit. Know how hard it is to do that? That's a smash hit. Ain't nothing they could do with that. Who's the girl that was singing at the end?

[Jadakiss]

King Maddie. She's from Nigeria.

[Fat Joe]

She ain't fucking playing like that. Shit was incredible.

[Jadakiss]

How'd you find you incredible? How did he make that? How did that thing.

[Fat Joe]

There's nothing he can't do. Alive. I tell you that. Every time somebody come up on here and start talking about that R B, I went on Tank show all of me. Everywhere I go, they bring it up. They like, yo, Joe, who your top five? R&B, you always there.

[Jadakiss]

Thank you, man.

[Fat Joe]

Appreciate it. Always there. Luther Van Joss, you always there. Like, I'm like, yo, you see, it's not. I am surprised because that is a super Smash hit in 2026. But at the same time, I'm never surprised when it comes to real hit makers. If Nelly came out tomorrow with the biggest record on earth, I would say, okay, 50 Cent come out tomorrow with a new ghost shorty. Right now, I'd be like, that's what they do. That's what Keith Sweat do. Unfortunately, we take you for granted because that's what you do. You knock them out the park. All the time I see the bag coming out again, that bag coming back out on that tour, that's all I.

[Jadakiss]

Seen with the first four bars. 100 million went by.

[Fat Joe]

Search it. Yo, Keith, one question I got.

[Jadakiss]

Yes, sir.

[Fat Joe]

This legendary is. You knew ahead of time to go out to Atlanta, right? What made you say I'm going to Atlanta before everybody you there? Before untapped anything happened out there right at that time, must have been woods.

[Jadakiss]

Ditch, just woods and everything. Well, you know, basically it was more so a move that I made for my mom. Because, you know, I wanted to really take care of her. And, you know, for the houses that I would have bought in New York, it was like it wasn't big enough. I felt for her. So I moved to Atlanta basically because I wanted to give her the biggest house or the biggest situation she ever had. So I got bought a house on two acres of land. Now Alpharetta. I just happened to luck up and get it. Go to Alpharetta back in the day. Cause Alpharetta wasn't nothing. Now Alpharetta is the biggest thing in Atlanta. So I end up being at Alpharetta, you know, and I.

[Fat Joe]

And ahead of time admired that about you.

[Jadakiss]

I mean, I was able to build everything because, you know, when I went out there, I was one of the first person to be put a SSL board in my house. 54 channel input. You know what I'm saying? So after the second album, I put the SSL board in my house. And that's where I did the Silk album, my album, all my albums. Lsg, every album I did. That's why I got all my masters on my reels in my garage. You saw my thing in the garage. Nothing but the freak me, the I give all my love to you all that, you know. Cause I did it on my board. SSL board in my house.

[Fat Joe]

You know what's crazy is. Yo, we. Come on. That's G. Yo, man, shout out Johnny Gill, man. He came to see me. I was in la. He hit me up. He was like, yo, I heard you out here. Where you at? I'm at the Waldorf Astoria. The man pull up in the Rolls Royce. Oh, take it down and you don't understand like me. I've never been a hater in my life. I always love inspiration. I want my legends to look incredible. Man, when that man pulled up in that double law with that shit, I said, thank God. This guy's doing great.

[Jadakiss]

I love him. What color was it?

[Fat Joe]

I think it was like gray or green or something. Who Gave a fuck. We sitting in the lobby.

[Jadakiss]

No, I was reading the aspect of it because he came to my house, said, man, I'm going to give me one. Oh, he did it.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, he did it. He did it. He pulled up on me with that and he said, hold on, I'm going.

[Jadakiss]

To give me one now.

[Fat Joe]

Right, right.

[Jadakiss]

That's my dude.

[Fat Joe]

That man. That man pull up. I said, yo, he made me so happy. I said, because I love it. Looking at my. My legends and my icons, my idols, looking good and living good, you know, Mary J. My sister, you know what I'm saying?

[Jadakiss]

She told her we need to do an album together. Keith Swift with all Tell her I need her to do make it Last forever with me. Get up on it with me. All my female dogs. Classic, man. Oh, my God. Then you do Keith sweating married to her.

[Fat Joe]

Let me ask you a question. Did you. Did you ever do a Christmas album? You did a Christmas album?

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, I did it. I did it. But, you know, I just did some videos on it recently. Yeah, I did one eight years ago. But I started putting songs out, man.

[Fat Joe]

At Christmas, Christmas time. I had that soulful Christmas, man. They had all that young Jackson five, that Luther, that thick, man, there's so much good Christmas music out there, man. This ain't that and that ain't this. It's cracking.

[Jadakiss]

Kiss.

[Fat Joe]

I step on stage, girl, scream like a.

[Jadakiss]

Appreciate you, my brother.