Joe and Jada - Lil Cease on The Notorious B.I.G. legacy, Junior M.A.F.I.A. & Tupac-Biggie beef

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Podcast Summary: "Joe and Jada - Lil Cease on The Notorious B.I.G. Legacy, Junior M.A.F.I.A. & Tupac-Biggie Beef"

The Herd with Colin Cowherd (The Volume & iHeartPodcasts) | September 20, 2025
Featuring: Fat Joe, Jadakiss, Lil Cease, special memories of The Notorious B.I.G., Junior M.A.F.I.A., and deep hip hop culture discussion

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Fat Joe and Jadakiss (Joe and Jada Show) sit down poolside at the Fountain Blue with Lil Cease—longtime friend and Junior M.A.F.I.A. member—to reflect on the monumental legacy of The Notorious B.I.G. (Biggie Smalls). The conversation traverses personal stories, the creative engine behind Brooklyn rap in the 90s, stories of Junior M.A.F.I.A., and the enduring relevance of B.I.G.’s life and music. They navigate subjects from ghostwriting rumors to Biggie’s entrepreneurship to the seismic East Coast–West Coast tension, blending humor, candid hip-hop wisdom, and a sincere tribute to the king of New York.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Biggie’s Work Ethic, Legacy, and Influence

• Biggie’s Brief But Massive Impact:

  • Fat Joe and Lil Cease emphasize how Biggie's legendary status was built in an extremely short span (’94–’97), but the reach and weight of his influence only intensified posthumously.
  • “He ain’t get here to have 20, 30 year run like everybody else did, but if he was here, he’d be smoking everything, right? If he was here, everything that he left would still be here right now.” – Fat Joe (35:49)

• Giving Back / Building Generational Wealth:

  • Discussions of how Biggie ensured his family's security for decades:
    • “30 years, he’s still from the grave, still make sure his kids straight… that’s generational wealth.” – Lil Cease (41:21)
  • The importance of setting up your people as a measure of true greatness.

• The Role of Writing and Collaboration:

  • Cease explains how Biggie introduced him to writing—Big would pen early verses for him:
    • “After Biggie passed, I started to write my own rhyme. You can start out as somebody kind of introducing you or bringing you into something, and once you figure it out, you could kind of take your own lane.” – Lil Cease (08:30)

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2. Creative Process, Studio Stories & Ghostwriting

• Ghostwriting Rumors:

  • Open speculation about Foxy Brown, Jay Z, and Nas ghostwriting led to a spirited, good-hearted back-and-forth on how many in the era co-wrote or contributed:
    • “Rumor has it, all of her [Foxy’s] verses either J wrote or Nas wrote… is it true or not?” – Fat Joe (05:43)
  • Cease & Lil Cease clarify: writing for others was common, but many grew beyond that—Lil Kim and Junior M.A.F.I.A. included.

• The Biggie Studio Experience:

  • Memorable recounting of witnessing Biggie’s meteoric stardom in the studio—incredible parties, women, and the reality of rap superstardom:
    • “I’m in studio with Biggie while he’s making Hypnotize and the beat keeps going… 20 Spanish girls come, then 20 Chinese girls, then 20 Jamaican girls… I did not know this shit existed!” – Fat Joe (28:51)
  • Hilarious anecdote: Biggie joking about not trusting Michael Jackson with kids and leaving Cease outside during a studio session with MJ.
    • “He like, yo, N, bro, stay here. Don’t trust ‘em with the kids—he was joking, yo, Seez!” – Lil Cease (52:17)

• Biggie’s Reluctance with “Pop” Hits:

  • The classic R&B-flip formula was Puff Daddy’s push, not Big’s initial desire.
    • “He didn’t want to do Juicy… But he listened… And thank God, I mean those shit without question.” – Fat Joe & Cease (33:48)

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3. Personal Stories & The Human Side of Biggie

• Coming Up in Brooklyn—The Early Days:

  • Cease and Fat Joe laugh about early hustling, cars, and mistaken age (“I didn’t realize he was that young… thought he was a small grown man. He was a little kid.” – Cease, 19:20)
  • Wildest moments: story of Cease crashing the “aluminum van” with Biggie (12:44), and tales of youth, money, and fashion.

• On Change & Loyalty:

  • Hard lessons about fame and the assumption that stardom changes people; Fat Joe shares his own moment of doubting Biggie had “changed,” only to realize his humility and loyalty remained intact (28:51; 31:53).
  • Loyalty as lasting legacy—supporting Lil Kim and Junior M.A.F.I.A. after Big’s death (38:13):
    • “How could you say Big is your man and then shit on Lee… I’ve kept it 1000% with … Lil Kim, all of them.” – Fat Joe

• The Reality of the East Coast/West Coast ‘Beef’:

  • Straight talk about Biggie’s final days and being in LA:
    • “Did you feel like [Big shouldn’t be in LA]?” – Fat Joe (43:48)
    • “I was too young to feel that way… To this day, I stand on that: he wanted to be there.” – Lil Cease (44:10)
    • Both guests express that, at only 24, Big was a “baby”—and that he was happiest being himself, despite the dangers.

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4. Biggie, Entrepreneurship & Building Beyond Rap

• Big’s Entrepreneurial Instinct:

  • Already planning clothing lines (Brooklyn Mint), restaurants, group albums and creative expansions at just 22–24 years old (58:05).
    • “He was already creating things in his head… outside the Mafia, got a commission thing I want to do.” – Lil Cease

• Comparisons to Jay Z’s Rise and Business Acumen:

  • Fat Joe notes that, had Big lived, he would have paralleled Jay Z in entrepreneurship and business.

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5. The Impact, Legacy, and ‘Top 5’ Debates

• Biggie & The Immortals of Hip Hop:
  • Biggie and Tupac’s faces are the “martyrs” and undeniable icons—“500 years from now, if hip hop is long gone… they’re gonna talk about Biggie and Tupac.” – Fat Joe (61:53)
  • Reflection on hip hop history, legacy-building, and the importance of continually honoring those who built the culture.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Biggie’s All-Around Greatness:

  “He covered every ground of how you want to do it... in a shorter span like that. Only had three years. He came out in '94, died in '97. We ain't get a chance to enjoy nothing.” – Lil Cease (34:23)

• On Ghostwriting and Growth:

  “Sometimes a history like that can change. You can start out as somebody kind of introducing you... and once you figure it out, you could kind of take your own lane.” – Lil Cease (08:30)

• On Success & Authenticity:

  “The one thing I learned from Big... they don’t know if you changed… It's your perspective of people.” – Fat Joe (13:35, 31:53)

• On Hip Hop’s Top 5 and Respect:

  “He never had a whack verse, ever… You would hear this shit, and every time he pulled out a new verse, we be like, yo, what he say now? And you know Kiss got that impact, too. That's why Top Five dead or alive.” – Fat Joe (36:13)
  “He is that Top Five dead or alive, but outside of being that, he’s the top five realest nigga in the world.” – Lil Cease (36:40)

• On Generational Wealth:

  “[Biggie’s] still from the grave making sure his kids are straight… That’s 30 years later.” – Lil Cease (41:21)

• On Big’s Relationship With Fans and Loyalty:

  “How could I let somebody violate her or Cease or anything like that? I’m not fake.” – Fat Joe (39:41)

• On the Humanness and Youth of Biggie and Pun:

  “He died a baby. Every Pun, they both died a baby… like, they both 20-something, like kids.” – Fat Joe (45:09)

• On Hip Hop History & The Power of Community:

  “All of us at that time, it was just like, we was really doing some shit to change our lives… we really enjoyed being around each other.” – Lil Cease (59:18)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [03:14] Intro: Lil Cease joins the show, legends assemble
• [05:26–08:30] Ghostwriting rumors, creative process, and evolution for young rappers
• [10:03–13:34] Studio life, fashion, money, and the realities of growing up around stardom
• [28:51] Fat Joe’s “Hypnotize” studio story—seeing the wildness of superstardom
• [33:47–34:58] How Puff Daddy reshaped Biggie’s sound for mass market
• [36:13–39:59] The ‘Top Five’ debate, loyalty after Biggie, and culture beyond rap
• [41:03–42:47] Generational wealth and taking care of family—Biggie’s living legacy
• [43:48–45:15] The LA question—why Big wanted to be on the West Coast
• [52:17] The Michael Jackson session story—Biggie’s humor and trust
• [58:05–58:46] Big’s entrepreneurship and plans beyond rap
• [61:51–62:49] Biggie and Tupac as hip hop martyrs, lasting cultural pillars

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Closing Thoughts

This episode is a living oral history—a conversation drenched in nostalgia, authenticity, and hard-earned wisdom. Fat Joe, Jadakiss, and Lil Cease impart gripping stories that ground Biggie’s legacy not just in myth, but in indelible humanity, hustle, and heart. Their bond, respect, and enduring loyalty cement why Biggie’s impact resonates through every era of hip hop, and why honoring hip hop’s martyrs and contributors isn’t just a tradition but a responsibility.

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Summary by: PodcastGPT | Original contributors: Fat Joe, Jadakiss, Lil Cease

Transcript

[Fat Joe]

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[Fat Joe]

He ain't get here to have 2030.

[BIg]

Year run like everybody else did, but.

[Fat Joe]

If he was biased too, and he.

[BIg]

Sounds crap, he will be smoking everything.

[Fat Joe]

Yo yo, what up? This is Fat Joe the gangsta Boy.

[Cease]

Jadakiss you know what it is. The Joe and Jada show, live from the Fountain Blue.

[Fat Joe]

Fountain Blue.

[Cease]

What's up, ladies and gentlemen? Make some noise for my brother from another mother. Same name, Facts, Caesar Lee, your little seed.

[BIg]

Thank y'. All. Thank y', all, man. Thank y' all for having one of the best shows in America right now. You know what I'm saying? So salute to y', all, man.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, sees you a legend, man. You a living legend on that couch right there.

[BIg]

Thank you. Hear that from. You hear that from. Nah, that's love for me.

[Fat Joe]

Nah, that's a fact, though. And we go. We go so bad. You know, If y' all don't know, we was just shooting a podcast. The Cs came to hang out with us, and we forced him to the couch. I said, fuck that. Let's get seasoned. He's too legendary. We gotta get him up in here. But we was just listening to New Mob Deep, right? And Prodigy sounds so good on there. I literally. I literally. I don't work hard enough to do this, but I literally thought of making that album in case if I died.

[BIg]

No Doubt.

[Fat Joe]

It didn't just say, you know, 10 years after I die, put in my will, new Fat Joe album, and they could do whoever want to do the beats to the shit. This, this, that, and imagine afresh after you die, ten years later, New Fat Joe talking shit on there.

[BIg]

No Doubt.

[Fat Joe]

You know how that. I mean, look, we listening to a new Mob Deep. They got an album coming out with Prodigy, Got mad new verses.

[BIg]

And it sound great, too. It sounds good, too. Like it. You know, it don't sound like nothing changed. It don't sound like nothing Sweat. But how many songs you got like that? I'm sure you got verses you probably never put out that you got an.

[Cease]

Album for them to release after you die.

[Fat Joe]

That's what your family gonna get the money. Well, you die.

[BIg]

That's how I look at it. You know what I mean? Like, I wish, B, I did more of that. You know what I'm saying? But, B, I was too much writing songs for other shit. He was writing Junior Mafia songs, Kim songs and puff songs. He was. You know, so he did a lot of albums that want to expand, you know, like that. Like you. So you wish you had more of that.

[Fat Joe]

It's crazy to me. I be hearing a lot of, like, Foxy Brown is the best, you know, Foxy Brown's first feature was I Shot you with LL Me, Keith Murray. And I remember Papa keeping them. I already knew this Girl was crazy.

[BIg]

No doubt.

[Fat Joe]

But rumor has it, all of her verses either J wrote or Nas wrote. So this is like, is it true or not? I mean, I'm not.

[BIg]

Let me say it like this, right?

[Cease]

Each his own.

[BIg]

Yeah.

[Cease]

When did you even. What is us?

[Fat Joe]

Because every time. Every time I hear Foxy Brown. Of course that's a cadence and everything. I'm not saying nothing wrong with it. I'm just saying that when y' all bring these out. When the captured. Yeah, throw them out already.

[BIg]

All right, I'm gonna call it.

[Cease]

Throw that out.

[Fat Joe]

Yo. Throw it out. I want to hear because.

[Cease]

How did we get here?

[Fat Joe]

No, I'm not doing that. I'm not really.

[BIg]

I'm just a guess.

[Fat Joe]

I don't think this. I don't think I'm saying nothing wrong in 26.

[Cease]

You said nothing right, either. I think he should have left that alone.

[Fat Joe]

So let's leave it alone. C said your big role for Junior mafia, big rope for Lil Kim, and.

[Cease]

You just went all the way to.

[Fat Joe]

Park Slope and got impressed on Foxy.

[Cease]

Like.

[Fat Joe]

No, I'm never picking on Foxy.

[BIg]

I'm not.

[Fat Joe]

I'm not doing that. Also, Foxy says she wrote her own. She's saying. All right.

[Cease]

We don't know what she said.

[Fat Joe]

I don't know. No, I'm not trying to start.

[BIg]

Listen, let me.

[Fat Joe]

Let me just say.

[BIg]

For me, right? Let me say this.

[Fat Joe]

Can I say something?

[Cease]

You got the right to remain silent.

[Fat Joe]

Okay.

[Cease]

Kid? And will be held against you.

[BIg]

So I.

[Fat Joe]

That you saying. Because I said you got the right thing.

[BIg]

Okay, where's my flag?

[Cease]

In case you didn't. You just put it. You just do. You just do the alley.

[Fat Joe]

Oops. No, I didn't think. I. I don't think there's nothing wrong with if, you know. You think what I'm saying is blasphemy. I think what I'm saying ain't nothing wrong. I don't know if it's true or not. That's what I always heard.

[Cease]

Somebody said somebody wrote.

[Fat Joe]

Only two people wrote.

[Cease]

F all of your verses. You'll be ready to fucking kill.

[Fat Joe]

That ain't regular people. It's Jay Z and Nas. It's still okay. Sorry, Foxy Brown. You write your own. I didn't know that. For years I've been hearing something.

[BIg]

I ain't going to throw it yet.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

They said, can I throw it up? Okay.

[BIg]

I'm gonna keep it right here. Yeah, we there, though, as an artist, for me. I had songs written that Biggie wrote for me. But after Biggie passed, I started to write my own rhyme. That's what I'm saying. So sometimes a history like that can change. You can start out as somebody kind of introducing you or bringing you into something, and once you figure it out, you could kind of take your, you know, your own lane, like. But that's how I was brought up into it. I was a. I was a situation. I was an opportunity, a business deal. You know, Big said, hey, listen, you rocking with me, lil bro. You know what? I'm gonna do something even better for you. I'm gonna make sure you get right. And I'm gonna write you some songs now instead of you hype Manning for me. Now. Now, here you go. And then from there. Not expecting him to pass at that time and for things to happen, but I had to, you know, all right, let me figure it out from here now.

[Fat Joe]

And he's very generous.

[BIg]

No doubt. Super.

[Fat Joe]

She shined that light on her.

[BIg]

I never say, leave it a word.

[Cease]

Hear them songs they got, you know.

[BIg]

Saying like, nah, grandma.

[Fat Joe]

I used to love it like, the lies. That's Amelia Let me fail. Yeah. The ultimate rush. Drugs, baby.

[BIg]

Yeah. But she got not to say nothing outside of that. Kim came in as a writer before that. But, you know, when you got a team of people, everybody just kind of worked together. That's how I came up into it, you know, growing up around that bad boy era. You know, it's writers. You got Carl, you got Faith. You got all these different people in there. Locks. It's mates. It's people in there. It's just energy going around.

[Fat Joe]

I've been seeing you super tight with Faith for the last couple of years. You was always tight with her like that. Cause there wasn't no Instagram, right?

[BIg]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Now I see it on Instagram.

[BIg]

Ain't nothing changed. It been like that shout out to Faith, like, nah, that's. That's. That's the Vixos for real. Like, in real life, like, you know.

[Fat Joe]

I can't call her underrated. Cause she's a superstar. Superstar. But her vocals is still underrated.

[BIg]

No doubt.

[Fat Joe]

Like, I went to Kim Porter's funeral, and Faith sung in there, and I. I would just.

[BIg]

She sung that Raekwon wedding. Remember we just saw her there.

[Fat Joe]

Raekwon went, yeah, but she did her songs in the funeral. She just was singing like. Like gospel or whatever. And I was just like, oh, my God. I always knew she was incredible, but that day, you know, I was brought to a different emotion by her. So we got little Cs. Little Cs cripple me. Why would. Why would Biggie say that he tripled? You know, what's the problem with this guy? He don't realize we telling the story to millions of people out there. Because he know the story. He think everybody know the story. Yeah, I don't know the story.

[BIg]

You know, a lot of though.

[Fat Joe]

I do know the story. But I want you to tell the people why, you know?

[Cease]

You know, I don't know.

[Fat Joe]

Why would he say that? Why Baby said that. Yeah. In the ones we crashed, you was driving.

[BIg]

Yeah, you was.

[Fat Joe]

Me cease. Was you high?

[BIg]

Nah, black ice. We had a fucked up car.

[Fat Joe]

Black guys in his.

[BIg]

Nah, it wasn't either.

[Cease]

That wasn't in the next lane.

[BIg]

The Lex land had got fucked up the day before that. We got arrested the day before that. So nobody don't know somebody with a bat, right?

[Fat Joe]

They. Y' all hit somebody. Big hit big. Got locked up for hitting somebody with a bat.

[BIg]

That wasn't that incident.

[Fat Joe]

Okay.

[BIg]

We was in the back of Brooklyn, Me, him and Money L. You know what I'm saying? And we were smoking and just so happened. Police just happened to pull up around there and we put the weed out. Soon as they like full up. You know what I'm saying? So they.

[Fat Joe]

They locked you up for weed?

[BIg]

Yeah, just a blunt. This is. But we talking about like a long time ago type of shit.

[Fat Joe]

Not now. Yeah, when they locked you up. All blunt.

[BIg]

They took us to the precinct. Really just put us in there, Took our name down, whatever. And when we came back outside, the Lexus land wasn't working. So Un UN came and picked us up. Took us to the crib. And then we went to get a loaner's car from the Lexus dealer place. And they gave us the Lumina van and. And yeah, aluminum van.

[Fat Joe]

Where the bi.

[BIg]

I'm not lying to you. This is. They gave us aluminum van. And I was like, yo, Bi, this ain't no Lexus car. And we had a. He like, yo, chill, we just gonna low ride. We chilling like. And I just made one turn. Cause the brakes was all fucked up. That shit was already like rubbing on the rotors and shit. We had a. It was the car. They run around.

[Fat Joe]

They give you the bullshit car.

[BIg]

Yeah, yeah. And he wanted to ride in that. And we rode and I hit a little spin and.

[Fat Joe]

And we went across the.

[BIg]

And we crashed. Yeah, across the. On the other side. That's north and south there divided.

[Fat Joe]

So north very dangerous. I was north.

[BIg]

And that the Car went south. We were on the other side.

[Fat Joe]

South.

[BIg]

Boom, man. Right into a rail dog. And that was that.

[Cease]

Used to be as strong as Ripple.

[Fat Joe]

Be to lose these crippled me. Yo, listen, facts. You know, the one thing I learned from Big, right, was people always like to say then if you become successful, you changed. Now, we know now enough that we're old enough to know that you gotta have growth. You can't be thinking like you thought 20 years ago or 30 years ago. That's natural growth. But I'm not talking about growth. I'm talking about if you blow up or some of guys in your hood are looking at you like you changed. They don't know if you changed.

[BIg]

Yeah, right.

[Fat Joe]

You just working whatever. And I got this famous story. I think you was there. And my second album had came out, and I ain't seen beyond a while. Cause to this day, the closest thing I could call to, like, Biggie is maybe Cardi B, meaning her success of how she just went fast, like wildfire. That was number one, two and three.

[BIg]

Yeah, like, doubt. That's a fact.

[Fat Joe]

No, I'm with him with an army fatigue, and he was like, yo, you come to show tonight? I went to the show, he had gators on and salmon suits with like. This was like. I'm sitting there in the passenger seat watching this. I'm like, yo, this is nuts. The nigga just shot up 1, 2, and 3. I never seen hip hop. Yeah, yeah, but I never seen that again. I never seen it. And then to maybe Cardi B, how she was just on love and hip hop. Next thing you know, she's out of the world. Yeah, out of this world, right? Vogue. You see what I'm saying? That's what Biggie did to me. Nah, I'm hanging out with Biggie. He got a fucking army fatigue. He said, come to show tonight. Give me the tickets. How come the show nigga got a fur coat over a salmon ship with gators. It was like, yo, what? Who the is this?

[BIg]

That's how fast it changed, though. Like, for real.

[Fat Joe]

Am I not lying?

[BIg]

No, you're not.

[Fat Joe]

It's like, I'm like, yo, what the.

[BIg]

Like, we was kids. No, no, I'm happy as young as doing that. Like, really. Like, you know haters, man. Yeah, like, I was wearing those shits at 15, doing that type of linen. Like, really, how could niggas can't say nothing to me. What you doing or everybody. I done did it already when I was 14.

[Fat Joe]

That's crazy. Like, that.

[BIg]

That's why I Could sit back right now and just like, man, I was sitting on my balcony in Miami, sitting in my crib and just chilling. Talk slow talk, slow jams, you know what I'm saying? And chilling.

[Cease]

Gators at 14, man. You ain't have no gators when you.

[Fat Joe]

Were 14 the first time. Hold up, hold up, hold up. No, no, he right, he right. Because you know, I like to brag. No, the method. I was at 14. Unless that was your reverse with the Met. I had the method. I just want to hear you say, nah. I did have dapper Dan at 14. You can ask Dapper Dan, we should bring him on the show. But what I am going to say to you is the first time I did get gators, I had $5,000 in my bank account. It was Tito Nieves wedding. I go to God, 5001. And I said, yo, I need that Biggie shit, man. I need that movie. He was like, you want that shit? I said, yeah. He said, what? I said, sky blue. He said, I'm gonna make you the hat. I'm a dye it like the suit. I'm gonna the gators. That might took $4,950 for me. I never paid that much for anything. I went broke behind the sky blue suit and the gators. I could not. I could not even believe it. You know what happened that night, too? They had a riot. They had a fight, and I got blood all over this. I could have never wore the suit again. It was like 4900 and 500. The guy told me the joke the other day. He called me up, started laughing. Remember you wanted that Biggie shit, right? I was like, yo, God, you took my last for the side blue suit. Like, are you serious? They was dead serious with the price.

[Cease]

That's what made me lose weight a little. He was smoking, nigga.

[Fat Joe]

So you had to go to the department store.

[Cease]

I spent millions with. I spent fucking millions with Guy.

[Fat Joe]

I spent millions with guys, too. Yeah, y' all spend millions with Guy.

[BIg]

Yeah, B, I did it.

[Cease]

Yeah, I spent millions.

[BIg]

We go, nah, I was still. I was still call can I Champion cone heads. Like, B. I was the one like these glasses.

[Cease]

I used to think they was mad older than us because they was driving. I used to go to D. Like, are they driving? Give me a license. Give me a car with a license. Him. What are you talking about? Mad little over there.

[Fat Joe]

We supposed to be driving, but was rich, bro.

[Cease]

They were still small driving, man. I'm looking at my size.

[Fat Joe]

We come in the studio every day. I See him every day.

[BIg]

He coming down yourself. He's just signed. I'm coming in with bi.

[Cease]

I want to drive.

[Fat Joe]

You coming in there with baby and John Branson.

[BIg]

Keys to Alexis Lane, bro.

[Fat Joe]

I was there. I was there this week.

[BIg]

Yeah, I stand up in cars. Back then, I used to stand up in the whip in the mpv. I could stand up in it. Yeah, that's. Yeah, you could stand up, stand up.

[Fat Joe]

You know what? I didn't realize he was that young. Like.

[Cease]

Yeah, that's.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, I knew he was young, but I ain't making him a giant guy.

[Cease]

Big, committed a crime.

[BIg]

Yeah.

[Cease]

Know what he did?

[Fat Joe]

He blew his woofers off as a.

[Cease]

Was a little kid.

[BIg]

You see what I'm saying?

[Cease]

You thought he was a small grown man. He was a little kid. He was drinking Moet, his weed, all of that. His wolf is his head. His wolf was letting you win. Yeah, you saw. He wasn't supposed to be there. He was supposed to be in school.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, let me tell you something.

[BIg]

I'm outside meeting you, hanging out with you.

[Fat Joe]

I'm not talking. No, but damn. I was about to tell you a story. But it's fun. I like how this moving. There's a little guy.

[Cease]

A little guy.

[Fat Joe]

Listen, there's a little guy. Not my Kadesh. Real little guy, you know, He's a real human being. I saw that is a fact. They want to call me Cat for everything. Let me tell you who gets me mad now. He's a little bigger. He's like the big ts. I proved it. My. I proved it.

[Cease]

Two feet, man.

[Fat Joe]

No, I approved it. No, you did. You did. Hello. What happened when America's Most Wanted. The guy called you up?

[Cease]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

When I fought the guy in America's Most Wanted did the gut. What happened?

[Cease]

They called. They called it said what? It really happened. You know what I mean? And he appreciated you for not saying his name because there's no statute of limit.

[Fat Joe]

I'm trying to imagine being a rapper and you got to go fight a guy in America, smokes one tip, one on one, and he's caught diesel. And you pull up. You know how much courage that takes for a fucking rapper? Imagine that guy would have whipped this shit out of me. They would have been talking about me to this day. Yo, remember when Joe got washed, dragged out there? This, this, that. But the moral to the story is when the bmf. When. Bmf, right? Bmf. I'm in Miami, okay? And lean backs number one. We're discussing with the paper every Club you go to, you see 20 guys, 30 guys with ts, chains all over Cadillac, trucks all over this beast. This was out of control, right? So if you came to Miami, you knew. You knew that when you came to Miami, you look up any given day, they in there mad deep, right? So every night, I'm going to the club, I see this little kid. He's 12 years old. I'm gonna say his name now is with some other wild shit going on that got nothing to do with what we talking about. But the kid, Peewee, that allegedly, you know, they talking about with the Lil Wayne bus or whatever, I knew him 12 years old. I would come to the club, he be with BMF every day with $2 million in diamonds. Little baby, like. Little Cs might have had him. He ain't no rapper. So every day I come and be like, yo, crack. You get me in the club, give me a crack. I say, yo, bro, I can't get you. If Big Lease and them niggas can't get you in the club, I can't get you. They blowing out the bottles, they buying every. Yo, bro, I can't get you in. But he was a cool little kid. He would come all the time. But one day, I looked at him, right? And I said, one day. Cause I took him for granted. And one day, I'll never forget, I was over there in that club where we said Khaled used to dj. Yesterday, he was crossing the street, I pull up in the Phantom, he said, yo, he cracked. And then for some reason, my eyes. You know how you go to the eye doctor and your shit fuzz out and go clear? And my shit fuzzed out and went clear. And I looked at them fucking diamonds on his neck. And he's in the. Stay in the party. He's in the middle of the street by himself. I'm like, yo, this kid is like 12 years old with like 2 million in diamonds on. I was like, yo, no, he ain't scared. Nobody's looking at him. Nobody's. This. That's a true story. That might be the youngest guy I ever seen with some shit on like that. He was everywhere. He was with them. What the fuck was he doing with them? He was 12 years old. Everywhere they went.

[Cease]

He used to be with AI, and he used to be with Floyd, too.

[BIg]

Yeah, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

So he been outside. You know what I'm saying?

[BIg]

It's a lot of histories like that. You'll get like. You know, he was.

[Cease]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Cease]

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[BIg]

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[Fat Joe]

VGW Group Void where prohibited by law 21 + terms and conditions apply. I'm gonna tell you what happened right so I'm in studio with Biggie while he's making Hypnotized and the Beat. Keep going Boom, boom. Right down 1 o', clock, 20 Spanish girls come. 2 o', clock, they leave. 20 Chinese girls. 3 o', clock, 20 Jamaican girls coming. 4 o'. Clock. Yo, I did not know this shit. Listen, Biggie was a superstar before me. I didn't know this shit exists. I'm sitting up in there and I'm like, yo, what the. This is what it's like when you. Number one, two and three. I'm Fat Joe with the army fatigue still. I'm sitting there, I'm like, yo, this is. Yeah, Yo, Sees, I cannot believe it. That's. That's. I could. I would have just. And they just kept coming. I was like, yo, this got all this faith calls up, right? He puts in the. Nah, nah, it's a cool story. She calls up and he puts on the speaker, right? So he's laughing, you know, He's a comedian. You fat motherfucker, you. This, this, that. I know you in there. You with them ugly bitches. This and this and this is when I knew Biggie said, hold up. Why they gotta be ugly bitches? They could be models. Yo, I wanted one night, and I couldn't take it. Yo, yo, yo, Cease. I couldn't take it. Cease. I'm like, yo, you know, I thought he was like a superhero to me when I was with him and shit, I seen the success. But what I'm saying, we're never changing, right? So I. He just exploded. So imagine you hanging out with a dude, and the next thing you know, he's the biggest superstar on the planet Earth. I don't see him for a couple of months. I put out my second album. I'm going to some shit, maybe Billboard magazine or something like that, or the Vibe. And I just see a bunch of people around the truck. And as I get closer, I see Big, I see you, I see Lil Kim, and I'm like, oh, shit, that's Big. And you know what Fat Joe did? Fat Joe. I'm embarrassed to tell y', all, but for that split second, in my mind. You crazy. No, no, I'm telling you the truth. And in my mind, he became such a superstar. Said, oh, that nigga must have changed. And right when I get to turn away. You know how people say people change? He was like, yo, crack, yo, crack. So I look at him as big. So I walk over there, and he starts telling Lil Kim and sees, yo, we've been pumping this album, right? You like it? And he said, yo, you stepped your shit up. And I was like, that taught me that was Such a life lesson that taught me, like, don't assume people change. They can still be the same people. No matter what success it is. It'd be your perspective of people. Yeah.

[BIg]

Without judging. And he, you know. You know him, right?

[Fat Joe]

Oh, no.

[BIg]

One thing about my, like, outside of all the street shit, he was a fan of the music facts. So if you really was dope, that's all he cared about. He don't give a what you did outside. You ain't gotta be that real, that lit. Nothing you could rap. He fucks with you.

[Fat Joe]

Let me ask you something from this underground rapper. We see videos of him ramming in the Brooklyn with the mic recipes. Mr. C. Shit, no doubt.

[BIg]

Clark Kent.

[Fat Joe]

Clark Kent, rest in peace. 50 grand, his First Nation.

[Cease]

40 Gold Brothers. What was that?

[BIg]

The Old Gold Brothers.

[Cease]

OG brothers, man. OGB man.

[BIg]

Yeah. Big first DJ was 50 grand. He had a crew called the OGB, the Old Gold Brothers. So he just passed away like three years ago. Him, Mr. C and DJ Clark Kent, you know all.

[Fat Joe]

So what I'm trying to understand is, so he's this underground battle rapper. Because when I met Biggie Biggie, I was in the Lyricist Lounge giving out the Flo Joe vinyl to the DJ. And he went up there and battled 10. They're going to say, Yo, Joe, I'm saying 10, so it don't sound capable. He tore the ball down. He had a backpack on. Puff was on stage doing the puff, dancing, hyped up. This, this, this. I'm looking at the crowd said, oh, this guy, he's gonna be pink, right? So we became cool. What I'm saying is, when they started making these records, like rapping to Juicy and all that, was that a puff bringing the R and B to it or was it big saying, I want to do these kind of records?

[Cease]

He didn't want to do that.

[BIg]

You know that. That was all Puff.

[Fat Joe]

He wanted to, but thank God. I mean those shit without question.

[Cease]

He didn't want to do it. But he listened to it. Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

No, but he listened to him. So originally he didn't want. Because I believe that changed. Well, I don't believe. I know. That changed the whole hip hop game. Like, to this day, Fat Joe's trying to catch one of them, what's love and this everybody you. And she was a model for a year. That's all that formula.

[BIg]

No doubt.

[Fat Joe]

Right. When we flipped old shit and we had singing hooks with R and B singers and all that, you know what I'm saying? That was a big thing. So it was Like Puff brought those.

[BIg]

Beats to the table that was straight his. He brought that to bi. Cause he knew he had somebody that was like the dopest writer in the world. Though that's my favorite rapper, right? So imagine you in the position of power of you could sit behind a desk and you got the top Prime Jordan player of this league, and you could just tell him to do anything. Play point guard, play shooting guard, play forward, play center. Yeah. And Big did everything. Cadence, his cadence was bars. If you want to talk about anything that compared to rap, I think he's the one that covered every ground of the how you want to do it.

[Fat Joe]

In the most such a perfection way.

[BIg]

In a shorter span like that. Only had three years, though. He came out in 94, died in 97. We ain't get a chance to enjoy nothing.

[Fat Joe]

But what he did though.

[BIg]

For Junior mafia.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, no. And hey, he paved the way for everybody. Had to get a Big verse. Everybody. Like on hip hop culture, whether you know it or not, you was influenced by the Big. The big.

[BIg]

Listen though, that's what go to the grave with me. I'm. I'm gonna call me biased or whatever.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, listen, when it comes down.

[BIg]

To that, yeah, there ain't nothing, not.

[Fat Joe]

Just because you deserve. That's what I.

[BIg]

That's what I ain't gonna tell my man nothing.

[Fat Joe]

No, I'm biased too. He ain't get here to have 20.

[BIg]

30 year run like anybody else did.

[Fat Joe]

But if he was biased too, and he sounds.

[BIg]

He will be smoking everything, right? If he was here, everything that he left would still be here right now.

[Fat Joe]

So me as a fan from outside, similar to this guy. And I'm not just saying because I'm tired of this guy right here. He's my business partner, but I'm tired of business.

[BIg]

My brother Andrew, my brother.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but he's very similar, right? With Big, every verse he would drop, whether it's on 112, whether it's with Y, whether it's with every. He never had a whack verse ever though.

[BIg]

No doubt.

[Fat Joe]

And you would hear this shit. And every time he pull out a new verse, we be like, yo, what he say now? You know Kiss got that impact too. That's why Top five did a lot.

[BIg]

But like the statement he made, he created that for him because he is that Top five. Dead or alive, he is that. But outside of being that, he's the top five realest nigga in the world. Come to my hood, come sit there, got pictures with my mom, I performed at his uncle parties and shit. You know, I performed at his daughter, sweet 16. He come to my hood every day and come hang out with me there on my birthday. My mother birthday, sister's birthday. Nigga, see my little nephew. Give my little nephew a couple dollars, play basketball like. No, he used to. That's what makes you that, too. Outside of rap is also about how you carry yourself. You know what I'm saying? You ain't gotta be the best shit in the world lyrically, but you could. That makes you that, too, by how you carry yourself, how you maintain, how you keep your integrity and your morals is about everything. You know what I'm saying? So outside of that, appreciate that. Lee, that's my guy.

[Cease]

It was a very nice gesture.

[BIg]

Feel me? Me and his mom's got the same name.

[Cease]

His mom's and my mom.

[BIg]

You know what I'm saying? Like, I. How coincidental is that here? Gemini, like my boy.

[Fat Joe]

I seen y' all be tight for years.

[Cease]

Yeah, you try to. I've seen a lot of people turn their back on them after the untimely demise of B. You know what I mean? It's always three sides to every story. But if people. You hear how you talk about me and Big and y' all getting tight and all that, and how. How could you say Big is your man and then shit on Lee?

[Fat Joe]

So, I mean, you talking to the wrong guy.

[Cease]

No, no, I'm giving you an example.

[Fat Joe]

I've kept it 1000% without cease. Lil Kim, all of them. I never understood how Lil Kim had beef and dudes wasn't standing by her side and all that. I never understood it because the way I've always seen little seats. And Lil Kim is with Biggie Smalls, no doubt. Now, if Biggie Smalls is king of New York, he's Frank White. And I used to see it's the same shit. Yo, let me tell you something. I'm not comparing the apples and oranges. The same thing with Pun. Pun to come and when he was rapping, nobody want to rap next to him. Nobody want to smoke with him, Nobody want to cipher with him. Nobody wanted this, nobody wanted that. And then he died. Nobody want to mention him. No top five, no top ten, no nothing. But when he was here, y' all were scared of death, of him, what he was doing lyrically. I remember Pun calling me, damn near crying. They won't let me upstairs to the cipher. Remember when Hot 97 used to put people on Cipher? Everybody upstairs was like, no, they doing the Cipher. He's calling the hotline Funk flex. I don't want to say the rappers up there, they were like, no, do not let him upstairs. They did not want him to come up in there dead in the middle. But he passed. He pretty much, if it ain't for us, we can't defend his legacy.

[BIg]

No doubt.

[Fat Joe]

You guys seem to not mention how nice he was, right? So it's the same thing. When I. When I met you and I met little Kim, I'm like, yo, I'm out with the king. Like, how could I let somebody violate her or sees or anything like that? Like, I'm not fake.

[BIg]

That's love, man.

[Fat Joe]

You know what I'm saying? I'm not gonna be, yo, pig, this is your man. Then when. When something happened to him, I switch up on you. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to his moms. I felt like we lost moms at hip hop. At least New York. My girl, no doubt. I can't even tell the stories, but you know. Cause they always say I lied.

[BIg]

But you know, the love, you know that too much. You know what she loved? She showed you. You was on her gram.

[Fat Joe]

Kiss was on her grams. She don't folks.

[Cease]

She fuck with you, she don't fuck with you.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, she don't fuck with you. If she don't rock with you, she'll two days.

[BIg]

But that's the love, though.

[Fat Joe]

But she passed. Not the day. She passed the day before. She was talking about me to Wayne Burrows and homegirl. She called me and was like, yo, mama Wallace was just asking about you this and this and that and talking about you a good guy. I love Mama Wallace. I just felt like she was the mom of hip hop and that's how I felt. That's facts, you know what I'm saying?

[BIg]

She did things the right way. She did it the right way and, you know, she made sure everything was set up. Like, really like she took over with big left behind. She really took it over and put it in perspective, man. You know what I'm saying? His kids is super straight and that's what mattered. Right?

[Fat Joe]

That's all we care.

[BIg]

El still able to take care of his family. Nigga, after 30 years, he's still from the grave. Still make sure his kids straight to. Even to the day his mom's left. He made sure.

[Fat Joe]

That's crazy.

[BIg]

Everything was good. And that's something.

[Fat Joe]

Generational wealth.

[BIg]

Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

That's what we talking about. Generational wealth. I mean, I always felt like, you know, Look, I don't wish nothing on me, but I always felt like.

[Cease]

Well, I never heard of knock on steal.

[Fat Joe]

My point is, I didn't know. Yeah, you're not this guy. The point is, I always felt like I would be happy if. If something God forbid happened to me and my family was straight. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's the big. That, that's what it is, you know what I'm saying? You see these mafia dudes, they born up in crime and they know sooner or later somebody's either gonna knock em off or they going to jail forever. But their family is straight in the mansion forever. They own the fucking construction businesses and this. So you just. Basically, it's like you a warrior with a shield and a fucking sword and you go out there to make sure them kids are straight forever. Yeah, same thing with you, Same thing with me. That's the dream. Biggie actually did it. That's fucking amazing. Thirty years later, he's still taking care of his family.

[BIg]

And that's. You know what I mean? Like, and. But you see that generational type of thing in us, peers from our era, like, you see that in you. You see that in you.

[Fat Joe]

That was entre our era, we appreciate.

[BIg]

Stuff like that, like making sure our kids are straight. We don't want our kids or nieces, nephews to grow up and go through the shit that we actually went through. Like now I don't want them to go to no tunnel. I don't want my nephew to do that. Go play basketball, go through that tunnel, the Madison Square Garden, you know, go through that tunnel in the Barclays. Like I went through that tunnel before the other tunnel, you know what I'm saying? When we was really outside. But when you get to, you know, to see his kids do that, they ain't had to grow up like how I grew up. So I go on vacations with them. Like we go on trips. We don't go to the block. Bless you. We don't go to the block. We don't go to the hood. When I be hanging out with his.

[Fat Joe]

Kids, he sees no, like when Big, you know, in the middle of all that beef, when Big was going, I don't want to elaborate on wax shit, but when we, like, I think everybody knew he shouldn't be in LA at that time, right?

[BIg]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Did you feel like that?

[BIg]

I was too young to feel that way.

[Cease]

I seen him, he was smiling from even.

[Fat Joe]

No, I get it. But no, he knows he was smiling. He went out there, y' all could see me like, he was happy to be out there.

[Cease]

Yeah, he was happy.

[Fat Joe]

He was.

[Cease]

He was happier than over here, if you ask me. He was.

[BIg]

It was to be away. He was.

[Cease]

He was your whole job.

[BIg]

I don't know how to not tell people that, right? When people like, yo, why y' all was out there? Because he wanted to be there. That's what he wanted to be. To this day, I stand on that like, yo, bro, he ain't want to. That's where he enjoyed it. He. He wanted to chill there. That's where he wanted to vibe at. I don't know. I don't know how to say that to somebody, but, yeah, why?

[Fat Joe]

He was right. That's what he wanted. He wanted to be there. His own man. He was comfortable there. He loved, so he want to be there.

[BIg]

I'm on front line with him. Okay, cool. We leave tomorrow. No, we ain't leaving tomorrow. We're gonna stay here another week.

[Fat Joe]

Cool.

[BIg]

We here.

[Fat Joe]

All right.

[BIg]

This where he wanted to be. He called the shots. It was his situation. He felt good about being there, you know what I'm saying? He felt like that place was a safe place for him. Not even being safe. He just wanted to be somewhere where.

[Fat Joe]

He wanted to be.

[BIg]

He really didn't give a fuck. Really. But you gotta think about 24 years old, dude, we older now. We all turning 40s, 45s, and our 50s. He. He was 24, you know what I'm saying? We were still. We were still kids. Ain't know nobody.

[Fat Joe]

He died a baby. Every Pun, they both died a baby. Like, they both 20, something like kids.

[BIg]

You know what I'm saying? I saw Pun before he passed. I did a show, and I was in a show on somewhere like North Carolina or something where he had the. Where he was in the news weight. We was all signed to the same label. So I come in my room, they're like, you got some people in your room? Before I got to my. Oh, who in the room now I got D Rock, Gutter, bunch of aggressive ass. And then we coming there. It's Punch sitting in the seat.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, what's up? See ya.

[BIg]

What's up, bro?

[Fat Joe]

He love it, y'. All. He love it. Oh, yeah.

[BIg]

Hell yeah, man. For sure, dude.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. He had crazy love for Big. I think that's one of the people he never got to rock with that he really, really would have loved to rock with no Doubt and.

[Cease]

And, you know, imagine a big and fun song.

[Fat Joe]

Imagine that crazy, like big Earth, big her firewater. He heard Firewater. He said, yo, your man that spit with you was dead nice. This and this and that. He heard that.

[BIg]

I wish that could have happened, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, that's the I'd be having to live with. Like. Like that. Like, damn, man. If dog was here to like. Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Do shit, he would have loved him.

[Cease]

Who is. He was here to smoke some of these. I'm smoking.

[Fat Joe]

Smoking some. Good. Yeah.

[Cease]

He didn't get a chance. He missed it.

[Fat Joe]

He didn't get to smoke the pure. He was smoking.

[Cease]

He was smoking that chronic. Now, he caught. He caught.

[BIg]

But he catch the wave.

[Cease]

He didn't catch this right now, right? If he wasn't able to catch this, that.

[BIg]

He ain't catch that. Yo, yo, yo, Kiss.

[Cease]

Can't wait to yo see him again.

[BIg]

And go pull up, yo got some. Bring some, bring some to the ground right there.

[Cease]

When the island I go see.

[Fat Joe]

He ain't come with that Papi Buddha. You know how nobody brought it up there for all he wanted.

[Cease]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[BIg]

I'm sure he hit something.

[Fat Joe]

Now you think? Do you believe? Let me ask you a question, which might be crazy, but it's real, right? You believe when you die, you go to heaven and they waiting for you and. And Biggie will be there waiting for you?

[BIg]

I don't think in that way. I. I think it's the life after. I do think that right now I.

[Cease]

Need y' all to play a Whitney Houston song. You know, I can't. I don't know which one, dog.

[Fat Joe]

I believe the children are the future. Let me ask you questions.

[BIg]

That's why you gotta learn.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, they don't want that. I'm every woman. Listen. Let me tell you. So you don't believe when you pass away, you go to see your people?

[Cease]

I don't believe it happens like the way you think. Like tv. It's a gate there. And I don't think.

[Fat Joe]

Sammy Davis Jr.

[Cease]

Yeah, I don't think it's like the Pac video.

[BIg]

Yeah.

[Cease]

I don't think when you crack about.

[BIg]

To pull up here right now. Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Joe Crack. That is like that. And I want to see my Raul. I want to see my mother and father. I want to see Biggie. I want to see everybody, you know what I'm saying? So if I believe in heaven and I believe in God, I believe that we gonna see him. And so that they call me Crazy Cap, Joe, whatever the you want, but I believe I'm praying so much that it's like that. My Tone Montana my best friend ever in history. I wish I could have that conversation. You did it. We was watching you. They was coming up here saying, yeah, I want that. You know what I'm saying?

[BIg]

My brother praying for that.

[Fat Joe]

I know. I'm just saying my brother Tom Montana got killed before I even put out a single. But he knew I was rapping. He was proud of me. And so imagine if I could go to heaven and he's just waiting for me like y', all, oh, you did this and this and this and that. You can make a difference in someone's life, including your own, with a job in home care. These jobs offer flexible schedules, health care, retirement options and free training. They also provide paid time off and opportunities for overtime. Visit oregonhomecarejobs.com to learn more and apply. That's oregonhomecarejobs.com.

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[Fat Joe]

VGW Group void. We're prohibited by law 21 plus terms and conditions apply. B I G what was one of the illest shit that happened to you that blew your mind that you couldn't believe? Like, y' all met Shaka Khan. Y' all met some. Some. Oh, y' all was rocking with Michael Jackson. Was you there for that?

[BIg]

Nah, I was there. I wasn't in the session though. He was.

[Fat Joe]

Did you see him?

[BIg]

Michael?

[Fat Joe]

Yes.

[BIg]

Nah, I see Mike, man. That's the one time he violated me, bro.

[Fat Joe]

Big or Michael?

[BIg]

No bi. When he went to do the song with Mike, right? He was like, yo, listen, bro up, just roll me up a few. I rolled him up some blunts. About to go do this first with Mike. So I'm thinking I'm still like coming there with him, right? He like, yo, N, bro, stay here. Don't trust him with the kids. He was joking, yo. See? Yeah, yeah. So I sat in the whip while he went into the verse for Michael. Came back hour later, verse done, Check. No, it's out. I ain't.

[Cease]

Left you on the G14.

[BIg]

G14.

[Cease]

Super classified.

[BIg]

Classified.

[Fat Joe]

What's the G14? What's the G14?

[Cease]

He left him in. Was he. He left him in the whip.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. The man told him, yo, just.

[Cease]

That's a fuck.

[Fat Joe]

He just said, fall back. I'm going to rock with Michael with.

[Cease]

That ain't something you just say fall back. That ain't just a fallback.

[Fat Joe]

I wouldn't go, dog.

[BIg]

14, 15.

[Fat Joe]

Nah, it's been. It's been meetings. I want to meet Michael Jackson. His meetings, his people. Beyonce says, look, one of my most trusted people on the planet Earth is Pistol Pete. You see him over there? There's people. Pistol Pete haven't met, people that I'm tight with that will call me their brother, their family. They this, they that. The Pistol P, they met. There's people. I go in there by myself, go talk to them, have a conversation with them and then come back. In certain places, you just can't bring nobody. So you go up in there, you just. Unfortunately, I get that.

[BIg]

Leo.

[Fat Joe]

No, Pistol's like, leo, he's my brother. I love him to death. I take him anywhere, die with him. And I. In just certain places, I got to be like, yo, Goss, I see y' all a little later. I gotta walk over here and just. I was on Punk. They did that to you on Punk?

[Cease]

Yeah, they told me, don't bring nobody.

[BIg]

That's why using the whip. So by yourself. Now, that makes sense to them. And you wig, too, though.

[Fat Joe]

I ain't even see that shit. But let me tell you something. They try to punk me. They never could punk me. Cause my guys wouldn't sell me out. But they wanted to do a. They went to Joe Bentley. Cause he used to rent me the Bentleys and all that. And they told him they want to put a fake dead body in the trunk. Pull me over and act like I got a dead body in the trunk. On Punk, bro, that was the narrative for Fat Joe. Open the trunk, and it's a dead body in there. And Joe Bentley wouldn't sell me out. He was like, yo, I can't do that. I'm not. That's a heart attack, huh? Well, it's not a heart attack. I would have did what I do now. Yo, I don't know nothing. I got a lawyer, Swear to God. What would have happened on that camera was like, yo, yo, I don't know nothing about that. Yo, I got a lawyer. Say, J. Kunstler. Like, that's it. That's what I would have did. That's all they would have caught on video. But they wouldn't sell me out. They tried Raul, they tried Joe Bentley. They tried, like, three people. And everybody like, yo, you crazy, man. I ain't setting Joe up with that. Like, Joey do it. He. He ain't gonna go for it. They told him, yo, you ain't punking him.

[BIg]

He ain't.

[Fat Joe]

He not gonna go for it. Like, you wasting your time. And it's true. I swear to God, if they did it now, somebody put a dead body in my truck, I'd be like, yo, I got a lawyer, man.

[BIg]

I ain't saying nothing.

[Fat Joe]

I ain't got to hear your soul.

[Cease]

No, you making that sound real.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, my mother. Yo, my mother taught me. Let me tell you something my mother taught me. When we didn't have a dollar, we didn't even have a dollar. How about we never had a lawyer? My mom used to tell me, in the project show, they grab You. I told my daughter, my son, this one million times. They ever grab you for anything on earth, just tell them you got a lawyer. You have to tell them you got a lawyer. That eliminates everything else.

[BIg]

No doubt.

[Fat Joe]

There's nothing really to talk about. It's like, yo, what you want me to do? Yo, this is terrible, but what you want me to. You think I'm gonna try to convince him? I don't. There's nothing you could do but call a law. It's like, I can't convince you I didn't put that body in this trunk or whatever. I'm fucked or I'm not.

[Cease]

Call the lawyer.

[BIg]

Call the lawyer. That's it.

[Fat Joe]

That was it. They tried to punk me. They tried. They definitely tried to punk me. So that Michael. You wasn't there for Michael Jackson, but what was you there for? That you coming from Brooklyn, young kid, Michael Jackson, and you was like, yo, we really doing this? Like, this is crazy. What is it?

[BIg]

I mean, I would say that, like our first session, like, you know what I mean? When we first got on, I know it was studio. Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Like, just that was a big moment.

[BIg]

I mean, you know, not thinking, you know, you think you just going, all right, Bi is your boy. That's family. That's the big bro. And he on. He came out 94. We was out 95. Like, that's how fast he. We was in the studio.

[Fat Joe]

That's absolutely a year. That's absolutely impossible to do too.

[BIg]

You know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

By the way. So that was like becoming a legend and then you putting somebody else on and working for them and putting their music out again. That's like. Like, it's beyond unheard of.

[BIg]

He came out in 1994. We came out in August 1995. Like, literally a year later. And not just, you know, Kim me un as a director. Like, nah, he.

[Fat Joe]

That.

[BIg]

That was his. That's what he was doing. That's 24 years old. 22. You creating a process before he died.

[Fat Joe]

Just clothing line already. What was it?

[Cease]

Brooklyn Mint.

[Fat Joe]

That shit was fly too, too.

[BIg]

Yeah. You know, so years we were just really. Just know.

[Fat Joe]

I just said that what I think most about Biggie is just knowing him and seeing. I think he would have been a used entrepreneur, like a Jay Z is.

[Cease]

Hell yeah.

[Fat Joe]

You know, he would. He was just big pop of diners. Yeah.

[BIg]

Restaurant. These is already. He was already doing with people, like, with everybody.

[Fat Joe]

No, I could tell he was going to do it, you know, that just the commission album.

[BIg]

He was already creating Things in his head, like, all right, outside the Mafia, got a commission thing I want to do.

[Fat Joe]

He told me about Jay Z. I had it.

[BIg]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

He was like, yo, Joe. I said, yo, Big, come to my birthday party. I think I had China Club or something. He was like, yo, I might slide by, but this dude is crazy nice. His name is Jay Z. It's my man. I was like, word. He was like, yo, I'm gonna come by with Jay Z. He didn't come, but he definitely told me about Jay Z. Like, he was like, yo, that was my man, Jay Z. He dead nice. He was talking like that. He dead nice. He gonna blow this, this, that. But they never came. But that was the time, man. That whole time, we was a fan.

[BIg]

Of the music, though, you know, all of us at that time, it was just like, we was really doing some shit to change our lives. Like, you know what I mean? Like, we. So we really enjoyed being around each other, fucking with each other. It was dope to go to the Bronx. It was dope to go to the Yonkers and hang out. And, you know, when Dave died, you'll be power respect. We always love Big Papa video. Like, we build something. We build something from that. Like, just from that point on, it's like when Big die, it made us all, like. It's like people from home. No, we're going. We're going to keep it tight.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. You know, that's how I feel.

[BIg]

You know?

[Fat Joe]

Right? And that's why whenever you see me jumping out, whether it's a big birthday, big anniversary, bring everything, I got to jump out.

[BIg]

You sure?

[Fat Joe]

Sit up. I gotta jump anything. Because I gotta let them know, yo, we ain't forgetting Big. Like, not while I'm alive, not while I'm here. We not forgetting, you know, the man who inspired us to become who we are. You know what I'm saying? Like, I still, to this day. And I shouted out the other day, what was it with Ray? And Ray and have, like, Heavy D. Like, Heavy D gave me the confidence as a fan.

[Cease]

When he earned it.

[BIg]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

When he earned him, he gave me the confidence. No Heavy D, no Big. I'm telling you, you know, Heavy D was the fly to this day, right? Because he don't get that. He don't.

[BIg]

He don't get that.

[Fat Joe]

To this day. I throw that shit on. I'm telling you, to this day, I might have some fly yellow brick Owen leather on. And then I look in Instagram and I see it be like, yo, 1991, have. Have the same on 30 years ago. I'm like, yo, I still ain't catching. Like, I. I can't beat Heavy. D's fly. He was just so fly as a big man. Same thing with B I, B. I was like, super fly.

[BIg]

That was his homework, though. He got that from him, too, though. Like, that's where he.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, no, it's everything.

[BIg]

You know what I'm saying? We know that. Like, that.

[Fat Joe]

You know, One of the things, you know, I would say my wife is far from a groupie, but one of the things she thanks me for is for introducing her to Big. And she dates me. Yo, man, thank you for letting me meet Biggie. It's official. You know, that's like, you know Biggie. You know, we gotta talk Biggie. We always gotta talk. Tupac, these two guys, right, Are like, they're gonna live forever. A thousand years from now.

[BIg]

They're gonna live longer than us.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, they martyrs for hip hop, for this whole thing. Let me tell you something. And a lot of people don't get it fucked up. Everybody has something to do with hip hop. We could go cool her. Grandmaster Flash, banned by everything. But 500 years from now, if hip hop is long gone. But they analyze it like we looking at the fucking pyramids and all these 500 years and hip hop culture comes up, they're gonna talk about Big E and Tupac.

[BIg]

No doubt.

[Fat Joe]

There's no way around it. They're gonna be doing seminars and college, like, right now. They definitely got Biggie classes, Tupac classes, like, yeah. Those are the two faces of hip hop music. After that, then you go down, break down whoever else you. Everybody played their part in hip hop. I don't want nobody to be watching this from the age, the West Coast.

[BIg]

But Scholar Rock is like one of the first, like, rapper rappers.

[Fat Joe]

But he's not going to be talking about it.

[BIg]

500 years killed streetwise.

[Fat Joe]

No. Scholar Rock broke my heart, bro, I'm BDP that's stuff that we what See, people don't know about, bro, I'm BDP but equas don't play pap. I'm bdp, I'm BDP you talk about big One time I was struggling after Flo Jo Cause you think you good as your last hit. Flo could be number one. You hustling, getting checks. When that shit slowed down two years later, later, I never forget my idol, Carers Money came to my apartment in Drosne. It's like, joe, how you doing? I was up, you know what I'm saying? Because once I left the drug game, it was all about rap. So I had to make my money rap. So he came to see me and he took me city alam. He sat down, then he said, chris took in the city ars. And he said. He said, yo, what's up? You up? I was like, yo, I'm up. He said, you come with me. Me, you hype it up. You do Flo Joe, and I'm throw you a little 25. 2500 was like 10,000 back to the base. So he took me for a couple of months to hype him up. I was this hype man, and I get to do Flo Joe. And you know who else was there with Wake up in the Morning. I just talking about Channel Live, right? All I do is man. And yo, whenever that 2500 camera do saved my life. 2500. My rent was 500. I got the one. One. One bedroom, one bath. Like, yeah, I got the one on one. My rent was 500. 2500. I'm like, yo, we say he would come and be like, yo, what's up? We're gonna go to Philly, yo. Hype me up. This. We're going to Atlantic City. We're going to Boston. Hype me up. And so he fed me, you know, during that time. But, you know, it was, you know, we know we had hard times in hip hop. Sometimes it's great, sometimes it slow up. That's why you say all the time, yo, we just got to keep. We got to keep working. We just can't stop. Even if we don't need it, we got to keep going and going and going and going. I'm going to Mongolia next week. Mongolia. I gotta get the bag, bro. Mongolia. I gotta fly to China, then to Mongolia. You know how real that is? That's right. I tried my best. I said, nah, I ain't doing it. Nah, nah. Mongolia, I love you. Thank you for the opportunity. But I was like, nah, no way. I'm going this and this and that.

[BIg]

You don't used to fly. You fly now, right?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but real flights. No, I don't want to do it. I don't want to. Listen, that's 10 hours. No more than that something hours.

[Cease]

Yeah, you wouldn't have done that.

[Fat Joe]

Number nine to China, then another two to All Mongola. But what I'm trying to tell you is that rich players, oh, yes, you are getting on that flight. I see your wish. He was like, nick, we getting that bag, bro. You know what I'm saying? So you know, you gotta do that. I don't really need it. I really don't really have to go, brother. I'm being honest with you. But. But you gotta do it before you need it. You gotta work when you don't need it. When you need it, you like, all right, we got it. That's the only way to do it.

[BIg]

It's a choice at that point. Once you already done put it in already, you're like, all right, pause. I ain't like how that sounded just now. And I don't like saying. I don't like saying that. But once you put work, you put your work ahead. You don't have to. You could do less is what I mean by that.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, I could do it. I don't really have to go. I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm gonna get the bag, because I gotta go get that.

[Cease]

You know, there's no justification when it's gone in his bag.

[Fat Joe]

Getting time.

[Cease]

I don't care where it's at. Mongolia, I don't know.

[Fat Joe]

I'm there. That's what I said. People used to tell me at one time, Fat Joe, toward the whole Africa, Davido, if you want to throw your hat or something, Davido. So I went to Africa so much, and Davido, when I met him at an All Star game. You was there, too, at that All Star game, he was like, yo, you was in my village 10 times when I was a kid, I watched you in my village in Africa. Know what I'm saying? So I would go to Africa to tour, and other artists would be like, yo, you going to Africa? And I'd be like, yo, my man got killed over $1 in the dice game in the Bronx. He asked Betty it. They stabbed him in his heart and he died. How much more dangerous could it be in Africa where in my projects, I know guys that died for $1. Well, I gotta go get this bag. We gonna see if Mongolian beef paws out there is the good. You know what I'm saying? We going out there, we gonna see.

[BIg]

Right, B? I wouldn't get on the plane no more than 13 hours.

[Fat Joe]

He had a limit.

[BIg]

We ain't go. We. We had. We had boogers in Japan and Alaska.

[Fat Joe]

He.

[BIg]

He not getting. He's like, I'm not doing that.

[Fat Joe]

Smart guy anything.

[BIg]

12 hours over. He ain't with it.

[Fat Joe]

So I gotta break it up. I go to Dubai for a little 12, 13 hours, stay one day and then fly to China another. Eight, nine, and then that. Then take the two. You're rich, man. Go yourself on your birthday, man. Get the out of here. You got me going to out of here, man. Oh, man, this ain't that. That ain't this cracking kiss bastards.

[BIg]

No doubt, man.

[Fat Joe]

Shout out to the Fountain Blue.

[Cease]

Shout out to our guest, my brother, Caesar Leo.

[BIg]

Man, I appreciate y' all for having me, man.

[Cease]

Everybody's around. He's gonna be loving in and out, you know what I mean?

[BIg]

Y' all two of my big brothers.

[Cease]

He's like the cousin to the show.

[BIg]

No doubt.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

He's supposed to be like brother man just pops up.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[BIg]

He like that's my man for the fifth floor. Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

But that's what the happened. You right over here chilling. I said, oh no, we gotta get seasoned this.

[BIg]

Yo man. Shout out to Big. Shout out to me. I got an album coming out, Heart of the City, a documentary call from a young G's perspective.

[Fat Joe]

Wow.

[BIg]

You know what I'm saying? And I'm going to keep it authentic. I'm gonna keep on representing for B I G. You know, it's cultural shit here. No fly.

[Fat Joe]

Shout out to the homie D Rock.

[BIg]

Shout out to D Rock. Shout out to Rules. Shout out to C Gutter. Rip to Chief Delvet, rip to Mr. Bristow. You know what I'm saying? Mr. C. 50 grand.

[Cease]

Shout out bangin Blake.

[BIg]

Banging Blake. That's my fear. Nino Brown. Shout out to the whole team, man.

[Fat Joe]

We gotta say ill Kim Hawkburns. Love you Kim.

[BIg]

Everybody's excellent.

[Fat Joe]

My man Lance.

[BIg]

You know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

God damn. Who else is from the pull up bars over there?

[BIg]

A bunch of them over here.

[Fat Joe]

You calling out the whole pull up bar.

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