Joe and Jada - Pete Rock on CL Smooth split, Nas & 'Illmatic,' 50 Cent & G.O.A.T. hip hop producers

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd

"Joe and Jada – Pete Rock on CL Smooth split, Nas & 'Illmatic,' 50 Cent & G.O.A.T. Hip Hop Producers"

Date: January 16, 2026
Guests: Fat Joe, Jadakiss, Pete Rock

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Episode Overview

This lively episode of the Joe and Jada Show (guest-hosted by Fat Joe and Jadakiss) delivers a deep, unfiltered, and nostalgic reflection on hip-hop’s influential figures, classic tracks, producer-artist dynamics, and New York sports – all amplified by a candid conversation with legendary producer Pete Rock. The trio traverses the history of hip-hop, personal stories about icons like Heavy D, tales of breakups (and what caused them), behind-the-scenes anecdotes of iconic songs, and debate GOAT-level producers and generational differences in hip-hop.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Paying Tribute to Heavy D and Hip-Hop Foundations

• [03:14] Fat Joe passionately credits Heavy D for inspiring his career and laments never directly expressing his gratitude:

“I never grabbed his shoulder, looked him in his eyes, and said, yo, I'm here because of you. You inspired me on that level. If it wasn't for you, I would have never believed that whatever I'm doing is capable.”
– Fat Joe (04:27)

• Pete Rock and Jadakiss echo the legacy and mentorship of Heavy D:

“He opened the door for, like, the way he ... everyone just starts picking up the inspiration. They can't even help it at times.”
– Pete Rock (04:03)

• Jadakiss reminisces about early support for The LOX from Heavy D.

2. Pete Rock & CL Smooth: The Split

• [07:15] Fat Joe asks Pete Rock about the famous fallout with CL Smooth, referencing past attempts to get them back together.

• Pete Rock reflects openly on their creative chemistry and personal disconnect:

“You match with one talent wise. ... But once you get to really know each other, the real them comes out. And it stirs up a bad character in me that I don’t want to come out.”
– Pete Rock (07:15)

• Pete Rock ultimately identifies jealousy as a key underlying issue:

“Jealousy. It’s a bad physique, bro.”
– Pete Rock (07:53)

• Despite regret over the fallout, Pete Rock admits, “I wish we never broke up. I wish we could have still been together. ... sometimes it just happens like that, man. You can’t control it.” (08:57)

3. Reminiscing Over Timeless Tracks

• The iconic track “They Reminisce Over You (T.R.O.Y.)” is lauded as arguably the “greatest hip-hop beat of all time.”

• [12:35] Fat Joe shares personal stories about how the song’s music moved him — “it was almost ancestral.”

• Jadakiss describes the universal, positive feeling created when the track plays:

“You just feel good about yourself, exactly. No matter what's going on ... you feel beautiful.”
– Jadakiss (14:48)

• Pete Rock talks about being inspired by Jam Master Jay and working on Run DMC’s “Down With the King”:

“Jam Master Jay showed up at my mama house, knocking on the door ... Then he’s like, yo, come on, let’s go work on this ... And I started getting down because I was like, maybe they don’t want to work with me.”
– Pete Rock (19:33)

4. Stories Behind Song Creation & Sampling Culture

• Pete Rock shares memories of Nas coming to his basement and the making of “The World Is Yours.”

“He comes in and he just stands against the wall. And then I pop that one [beat] in. And ... He was like, ‘Ayo, chill, chill. That’s the one.’ ... Then he came up with the hook. ... He wanted me to sing this part...”
– Pete Rock (21:45)

• The group discusses the challenges and absurdities of sample clearance, with stories about MC Shan getting paid for a sample, but still expressing discontent:

“He got his money. ... But he still went crazy, right? Yep.” – Jadakiss & Pete Rock (27:16)

5. Giving Flowers and Hip-Hop's Community (or Lack Thereof)

• Fat Joe describes the struggle of supporting peers who later show ingratitude, touching on the authenticity of the hip-hop “community.”

“I risked my life a million times for rappers ... all I’m trying to do is preserve the culture, sit on this couch and big up everybody. That’s what I was taught in hip hop. ... we’re one community.”
– Fat Joe (31:26)

• Jadakiss challenges the idea:

“We are one community, but we the fakest community ... People get what they need outta you, hear from them eight years from there, then this and that.”
– Jadakiss (31:08)

6. Producer-MC Dynamics & Top 5 Conversations

• Fat Joe asks Pete Rock for his top 5 producer/MCs who rap:

“J, Dilla; Diamond D; Eric Sermon; Dr. Dre ...”
– Pete Rock (41:16)

• The guys reflect on the underestimated work of producers who also rap, discussing Daz Dillinger, Dr. Dre, and others.

• Pete Rock shares that one of his greatest wishes is to produce an entire LOX album.

[24:00] “How many people would love to hear, like, a Pete Rock produced Locks album?” – Pete Rock

7. Classic Moments and Life in New York

• The hosts tell stories about getting their sneakers stolen at the pool, losing their school clothes to hustlers on the streets, or having their apartments cleaned out during the holidays — highlighting the gritty realities and comradery of growing up in New York.

• Discussion on Knicks fandom, NBA trades (Giannis talk), and what it means to be a New Yorker.

“They don’t want to see us. We win, man.” – Fat Joe (02:22); “They scared the devil what we got. And it's the same team. Run it back.” – Pete Rock (45:12)

8. Opinions on Modern Hip-Hop, Technology & AI

• Pete Rock critiques the use of AI in music, emphasizing the loss of soul and creativity:

“This is why AI is bad for music, okay? They don’t have souls. They don’t have the ideas that come from here to here and land here. ... The music, it has to come from within for it to be dope. AI could never reach.”
– Pete Rock (78:43)

• Fat Joe reminisces about hip-hop’s sample-based roots and how the genre originated by blending global music styles.

9. Wishing to Have Produced Certain Tracks

• Pete Rock admits to wishing he produced a couple of Dr. Dre and DJ Premier (“Primo”) tracks, and “The Chronic”:

“I wish I made the Chronic.” – Pete Rock (66:37)

10. Old School Jam Memories and Hip-Hop’s Future

• The podcast closes with talk about old party breakbeats:

“Good Times. That one you ran.” – Jadakiss (84:00)

• Pete Rock expresses hope for the future of hip-hop, believing the pioneers are responsible for guiding younger generations:

“Only the pioneers could save us. Only people like us could save this. ... It’s gonna be up to us to really have them connect with what we do.”
– Pete Rock (74:08)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Jealousy Ruining Partnerships:
  “Jealousy. It’s a bad physique, bro.” – Pete Rock (07:53)

• On the Essence of a Classic Beat:
  “In Fat Joe's list, that might be the greatest hip hop beat of all time.” – Fat Joe, about "T.R.O.Y." (12:35)

• Old School Producer Love:
  “J, Dilla... Eric Sermon, Dr. Dre.” – Pete Rock, naming his top producer-rappers (41:16)

• On Giving and Preserving Hip-Hop:
  “All I'm trying to do is preserve the culture, sit on this couch and big up everybody. That's what I was taught in hip hop.” – Fat Joe (31:26)

• On AI and Modern Production:
  “AI is bad for music, okay? They don't have souls ... The music has to come from within for it to be dope.” – Pete Rock (78:43)

• Hip-Hop’s Sampling Roots:
  “Hip hop comes from sampling all other art forms of music, whether it's Jamaican, whether it's jazz ... We sample everybody else's music.” – Fat Joe (79:52)

• On Pioneers Supporting the Youth:
  “Only the pioneers could save us. ... It's gonna be up to us to really have them connect with what we do.” – Pete Rock (74:08)

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Important Segment Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment | Highlights | |-----------|-----------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:15 | Tribute to Heavy D | Real talk on influence, mentorship, and regret | | 07:15 | Pete Rock on CL Smooth split | “Jealousy” as root of the breakup | | 12:35 | “T.R.O.Y.” & Beat Greatness | The story, impact, and meaning of a classic | | 19:33 | Working with Run DMC | Jam Master Jay brings Pete in as a young producer | | 21:45 | Making “The World Is Yours” with Nas | Early days, creative spark | | 31:08 | Hip-Hop Community, Loyalty, and Fakeness | Authenticity among peers, giving flowers, and betrayal | | 41:16 | Producer/MC Top 5s | Discussion on best producer-rappers | | 74:08 | Hip-Hop’s Future & Responsibility | Pioneers as the genre’s guides | | 78:43 | AI’s Effect on Music | Pete’s critique of AI in hip-hop | | 84:00 | Old School Party Breaks | Nostalgic talk closing the show with memories of breaks like "Good Times" and "To Be Real" |

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Tone & Style

The episode is raw, nostalgic, funny, and occasionally mischievous—bantering in true New York fashion. There’s deep respect for hip-hop culture, a welcoming of honesty (and a little drama), plenty of laughter, friendly roasting, and a determination to set records straight about legends, beats, and the state of the culture.

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Takeaway

This is an essential listen for hip-hop heads: a real barbershop/corner session with some of the game’s most respected voices, loaded with stories you don’t usually hear, insider battles, and deep love for the craft—from the basement to the stage to the block. Pete Rock’s insight cements his legacy, and Fat Joe and Jadakiss ensure the conversation always feels both personal and universal.

Transcript

[Fat Joe]

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[Jadakiss]

So now get two snack wraps plus fries and a medium soft drink for just $8 for a limited time only.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Prices and participation may vary.

[Fat Joe]

Prices may be higher in Hawaii, Alaska and California.

[Pete Rock]

And for delivery, how many people would love to hear, like, a Pete Rock produced Locks album?

[Fat Joe]

All I need is one piece.

[Jadakiss]

All you gotta do is pull.

[Fat Joe]

What up, y'? All? This is Joe Crack the Dawn.

[Jadakiss]

Your boy Jada, man. It's the Joe and Jada Show. Things are changing in life. Every show legendary, every show iconic. You know, I mean, shout out to 1800 tequila.

[Fat Joe]

1800.

[Jadakiss]

You know, we. We do it different over here. When you think of today's guests, you think of hip hop.

[Fat Joe]

You ain't never lie.

[Jadakiss]

Capital letters, iced out Hip hop. You think of from the basement. Some of the craziest records you to ever land on your eardrums came out of his basement. You think a rest in peace, Heavy D. You know what I mean? You think of Mount Vernon, money earning on the map because you think of. You just think of great production. Think of a timeless legacy. One of the first producers, slash DJs, slash MCs that have bars that was arguably better than the best bars on the song.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

You know what I mean? And that's hard to have back then from way back. Ladies and gentlemen, without further ado, make some noise for my brother, Pete Rock.

[Pete Rock]

It's such an honor to be here, fellas.

[Jadakiss]

Appreciate you.

[Pete Rock]

I support y'. All. When I'm on the Gram, sometimes I repost y', alls, you know, you repost.

[Jadakiss]

Anything with the Yankees and Knicks, that's it. You argue with anybody. They could be from Yugoslavia. Anytime anybody says anything about that Knicks, when I go to the comment section, I see pr. He's like you. He's going crazy. Or he's defending the Knicks.

[Fat Joe]

We don't give a fuck.

[Pete Rock]

They don't want to see us.

[Fat Joe]

They don't want to see us. We win, man. Free Rob, why you think they hate New York so much?

[Jadakiss]

Because we do it.

[Pete Rock]

Because we. We started a lot here. From fashion to music to slang. Everything you could imagine. You know what I'm saying? Started in New York.

[Fat Joe]

They don't want us to win, man.

[Pete Rock]

I would be jealous, too, if I was from out of town. How about that?

[Fat Joe]

How about. They say. They say we got an accent. Like we. Yeah, it's our accent.

[Jadakiss]

And we do got an accent.

[Pete Rock]

Baby.

[Fat Joe]

Peab. First of all, let me ask you a question. Facts, yo, because you go ahead, just get Mine Ready, man, Questions now. I'm all right. I'mma let you take the lead.

[Jadakiss]

No, no, I got.

[Fat Joe]

I gotta ask you this one.

[Pete Rock]

I'm coming on here to keep it a beam with everything. If y' all want to ask me, whatever, that's just.

[Jadakiss]

Let's go, baby.

[Fat Joe]

Why is it me?

[Jadakiss]

Load them up.

[Fat Joe]

I ain't got no controversy for Pete.

[Jadakiss]

It don't have to be controvers.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, yeah. I ain't got all that, but what I wanted to ask you, Pete Rock. Right? Cause it's important to me. I'm just asking you. You could tell me. Yes, no, whatever. Do you feel the love and the influence I have from Heavy D? Because, you know, you watch everything on the Gram. You watch everything. I try to salute him to the highest.

[Pete Rock]

He opened the door.

[Jadakiss]

Dancing. No dancing.

[Fat Joe]

I used to dance, like, every day, man, when I was younger.

[Jadakiss]

Hopefully we could get a clip of that James you could find with crack.

[Fat Joe]

The question is, I know how much you love Heavy D is a lot of people. Do you feel like Fat Joe try to give it up to Heavy D as much as he can?

[Pete Rock]

Yes, yes. I feel like he opened the door for, like, the way he.

[Fat Joe]

Man, yes.

[Pete Rock]

You know what I'm saying? Like, he opened the door. Marky D. I used to always say that they looked alike. Prince Markey D from the Fat Girls. And then once people get inspired, you know, it just multiplies, bro. Like, everyone just starts picking up the inspiration. Not even. They don't even. They can't even help it at times.

[Fat Joe]

Because I got a guilt Right now that I'm talking to you, I realize I got a guilt because Heavy D not only was my idol, but he became a good friend of mine. He fly to Miami, hang out with us. But I never grabbed his shoulder, looked him in his eyes, and said, yo, I'm here because of you. You inspired me on that level. If it wasn't for you, I would have never believed that whatever I'm doing is capable.

[Pete Rock]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

And so that's why every chance I get and I reminisce, I have, I post them. I this, this and that. But I'm kind of mad at myself. Maybe it was the era we was in where everybody had to act tough. Too cool to tell them that.

[Pete Rock]

A lot of people ain't telling that.

[Fat Joe]

A lot of people ain't tell them that.

[Pete Rock]

Responsible for holding their hand in the dark and walking. You in this business, man.

[Jadakiss]

I know that. I remember he helped Rough Riders figure out how to navigate their way in the Game. I told him what to do with X. I remember us going to Heav's garage, him on the punching bag as young locks, giving us words of encouragement and telling us what the do's and don'ts to look out for in the industry. So I appreciate Ev's time on earth and knowledge and. You know what I mean. Everything he did for the culture and for me personally. And for the locks.

[Pete Rock]

Yeah. And so imagine being under that every day. You know what I'm saying? So I came out of that.

[Fat Joe]

You got Eddie F. What was the other dude? The heavy D&du Boyz, gee whiz Roy.

[Pete Rock]

And G Wiz and Trouble T Roy.

[Fat Joe]

Well, Trouble T. Roy is a real guy. Let me salute him. Now, you know he's the one that moved down to Miami and all that, right, Troy? No, that's G Wiz, G Wiz, Trouble T Roy. Rest in peace.

[Pete Rock]

Yes.

[Fat Joe]

Gee Whiz is a real dude. He know what I'm talking about. And, you know, he's a solid guy.

[Pete Rock]

He cut from the cloth, man.

[Fat Joe]

Then you got your man. You know, I try to get y' all both at the 30th anniversary.

[Pete Rock]

I remember.

[Jadakiss]

See how smooth people don't know who he talking about. You can't have side relationships.

[Fat Joe]

Well, you know, I did. I did.

[Jadakiss]

The Face is all about Joe crap. Yeah, it would have. Come on, dope. I don't even know what's going on.

[Pete Rock]

Come on. Crap.

[Fat Joe]

This month. This month.

[Jadakiss]

We have a side federal drug talk with him on his.

[Fat Joe]

No, I'm saying CO Smooth, right? I try to get Pete Rock to see how smooth at the joint. I came out at the lean back 20th anniversary in Apollo, and Pete Rock said, no way. I forgot. How did that fall apart? And is it to the death? Like.

[Pete Rock]

You know, in this business, bro, like when you come across different personalities, but you match with one talent wise. But, like, physically and mentally, it don't work. You know, in the very beginning, it worked. But once you get to really know each other, the real them comes out. And it stirs up a bad character in me that I don't want to come out. At first I was mad at the fact that I had to deal with somebody of this stature who's very different from me.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. What would you say is his faults, though, Jelly.

[Pete Rock]

Jelly, huh?

[Fat Joe]

Jealous.

[Pete Rock]

Jealousy. It's a bad. It's a bad physique, bro.

[Fat Joe]

He's a rapper, you're the dj.

[Jadakiss]

He's everything.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but you produce in the Beast. So you say he was jealous of your Own success.

[Pete Rock]

Not saying he's. He has that in him.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Pete Rock]

And. And that don't work for grown people. When you growing into a man that don't work no more. When we get older, like, you just. Just be like, come on, man.

[Fat Joe]

I'm like that a lot. I think that's how I'm able. Like, I ain't catch a heart attack, God forbid, or a stroke yet, because I just lay off that when that dudes act crazy. Yeah. 2:46.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

This guy full of shit. Now let's see when I get to 142. No, but I don't think I could be one.

[Jadakiss]

Can I beat 132?

[Fat Joe]

You can't be 140. I don't want to look.

[Jadakiss]

You might lose fans.

[Fat Joe]

I don't want to look like a crackhead. I don't want to look.

[Jadakiss]

Nah, he'll go 140, he'll go 220.

[Fat Joe]

I don't want to look sick.

[Pete Rock]

And CEO Co's very talented to me. A lot of people used to not get what he used to say, you.

[Fat Joe]

Know what I'm saying?

[Pete Rock]

Like, but he, he, he got a great voice. He could rap. And I wish we never broke up. I wish we could have still been together. I wish he was a certain way, you know? But sometimes it just happens like that, man. You can't control it. Wrong, man.

[Fat Joe]

Because it's like rumors of like, naughty by nature. They do shows, but they don't even talk to each other. They stay in.

[Jadakiss]

That's ill.

[Pete Rock]

I wish I could do that, though. I wish I could do that.

[Fat Joe]

You can't even do that for the man.

[Jadakiss]

It's kind of like awkward though. I can't. How could you have chemistry on stage? Then when it's over, you go in your separate corners and that kind of like, makes it feel for me. I don't know about.

[Fat Joe]

I guess I got local for the most part. I got lucky because I'm a solo artist. I get it. This guy's. I was down with that. I would never, ever. I don't give a fuck. I'm a billionaire, billionaire Mexican guy come and said, I love the TEDX Squad. I give you 100 million for this album. I'll be like, nah, papa, papa, nah, papa. I'm not fucking with these guys. And you gotta understand, I look at this whole game different. I'm born in poverty. I'm born in Bronx Lebanon Hospital. All the odds against me. I got shot at every day. Did everything in the world, in the world. If there's anybody who ever helped me. It's Diamond D Lord Finesse digging in the crates. Besides them, nobody ever helped me or gave me a boost. I go and I get myself in a situation where I could sign people and give them half a million million dollars. This use all my juice. You know the way we get Big Pun to do the song with Joe the singer. He never met Joe the singer. Kedar Massenburg.

[Jadakiss]

Shout out to.

[Fat Joe]

Shout out to Kadar is the man.

[Jadakiss]

At Cali's golf day.

[Fat Joe]

I met Kedar through his brother from Stetson.

[Jadakiss]

Shout out to Daddy.

[Fat Joe]

So I'm cool with Daddy Yo. A Daddy yo introduces me to Kedar. So when we want to make this record for Pun, I call Kedar. And then Daddy yo co signs. Try that. Shout out to Daddy Yo. And Joe shows up in the studio, does the song. He never even met Big Pun before that. So you over here jostling these moves and doing everything for everybody. And then you get artists who somehow you make them big and they start thinking they bigger than you. Yeah. And they start talking to you crazy.

[Pete Rock]

That's the thing.

[Fat Joe]

So I understand how some things can't be repaired because people step out of line to a point of where you just like, all right, fuck that.

[Pete Rock]

It's just going to. There's no one on your side to say, yo, chill. Fuck out, bro.

[Fat Joe]

Chill, man. Every kid should have a logical uncle that's in this game. Any young kid, I don't care if he's worth 200 million, 20 million, he's hot. He needs an unc that could tell him, yo, chill. Yeah. Before they touch the frying pan.

[Pete Rock]

Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

Those people you tell that, they touch this shit anyway. Can't soon you leave the room. Yeah.

[Pete Rock]

You can't treat people like that. Can't talk to them. Especially a guy. Not. Not your guy.

[Fat Joe]

Let me ask you a question. I had a Bronco with the biggest sound system you see. It felt like a Jamaican party. The window opens. I drove up and down 163rd with groovy news mother in law. I might have drove 10,000 times. This was going to the bottom of the hill. Making u turn to the top. To the hill. I don't even think I heard a bar. All I heard was to me in Fat Joe's list, that might be the greatest hip hop beat of all time.

[Pete Rock]

That's the greatest sentimental hip hop record song. It's the greatest sentimental hip hop record in hip hop.

[Jadakiss]

I could agree with that.

[Fat Joe]

What I'm talking about is the beat, right? And the lyrics was out of control when I heard that beat. It was almost ancestral. Turned them horns, I was like, here we go, Clyde.

[Jadakiss]

Let's play it, let's hear it. Let's crank that shit right, man.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, we gonna hear it. Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

When we talk about music we play.

[Fat Joe]

Tell Rich to call Jeff from rewinding and tell him we shooting.

[Jadakiss]

Let's toast some 1800 to this classic right here. Toasted Joe's leg.

[Fat Joe]

See, that's it for me. Yo, Pete, let me get. Let me get that. That cup right there. You drink out of it.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I reminisce for a spell or shall I say think back 22 years ago to keep it on track the birth of a child on the 8th of October a toast when my granddaddy came sober count all the fingers in the toes now I'm I suppose your little Black boy grows 18 years younger than my mama but I really got beatings cuz the girl love drama in single parenthood their roster by the time she was 21 had another one this one's a girl let's name a Pam same father as the first but I don't give a damn Irresponsible, plain not thinking Papa said chill but the brother keep winking still he won't down you will tear out your hide on your side while the baby make us slide but mama got wise to the game the youngest of five kids Hun here it is after 10 years without no spouse Mama's getting married in the house listen positive over negative for the woman to master mother Queens rising the chapter deja vu tell you what I'm gonna do when they reminisce over you my God.

[Jadakiss]

Timeless class they playing this you just feel good about yourself exactly. No matter what's going on no matter where you at no matter feel like a great summer you feel beautiful way mountainous stomach when I take back I.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Recall a man off the family tree my right hand papa doc I see took me from a boy to a man so I always had a father.

[Jadakiss]

With my biological wouldn't bother taking care.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Of this so who am I to pick up Not a bad tick up but I'm clocking pops liver but you can never say that as Life is through five kids at 21 believe he got a right to here we go While I check the scene with the Portuguese lover at the age of 14 the same age front page, no fuss but I bet you all you know they live longer than us never been seen now that's where you're wrong give.

[Jadakiss]

A minute and he's gone not north.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Sleep to a jazz tune.

[Jadakiss]

I can hear his head danging in.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

The next room the pillow and hope I don't break him for this man, the Gus here at all verbat telling me how to raise my boy unless he's taking over.

[Jadakiss]

I said, pop, maybe when you're older.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

We laughed all night about the hookers at the party. My old man standing, yelling, good God.

[Jadakiss]

Almighty, use your condom. Take sips of the brew when they reminisce over you.

[Fat Joe]

For real, baby, it's so lovely.

[Jadakiss]

You hear it and it sounds. It's beautiful. In 92, I mix something like this. 1998.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I reminisce so you never forget this. The days are way back, so many bear witness the fitness. Take the first letter out of each word in this joint.

[Fat Joe]

Listen close as I prove my point.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

T to the R O, Y How do you and I meet in front.

[Jadakiss]

Of Big Blue Fighting in the street. Jay's a d.j. we gotta let jay d.j.

[Pete Rock]

One day.

[Fat Joe]

Scratch and that word is gone.

[Pete Rock]

To the one and only. Never be another. He was my brother. Trouble T Roy. Just like that, y'.

[Fat Joe]

All.

[Jadakiss]

1992 race.

[Pete Rock]

Man.

[Fat Joe]

Goosebumps.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Pete Rock]

Rest in peace. Trouble T. Boy, that was my man.

[Jadakiss]

Man, that album, man, what'd it do for you?

[Fat Joe]

Cause you right next door. You and Yonkers still, you could go to fucking Mount Vernon and see people.

[Jadakiss]

I went a lot. My Aunt Joan lived right around the corner from Big Lou.

[Pete Rock]

Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

So it felt like a win for the town, you know what I mean? They was doing shit Head was already a win. But then to have his cousin and his man come out with these songs in this production, it felt like Westchester and Mount Vernon, Yonkers new role. We was getting on the map, you know what I mean? In a major way.

[Fat Joe]

Only major.

[Jadakiss]

It gave me hope. It gave like, yo, hi, I'm next. I got a chance to do this.

[Fat Joe]

They brought Run DMC back.

[Jadakiss]

They can't hang a rock. What was like that? When they arc what was like that?

[Pete Rock]

Call like, rest in peace, Jam Master Jay, that was the homie. He knows the one jmj recipe and dmc. Jmj shout out to run two. But D& J were the ones that's.

[Jadakiss]

Rooting for People need this.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, he inspired us, too. But how lucky you with the kids.

[Jadakiss]

Yo, that was the Crip out of.

[Pete Rock]

Everybody was in that video. Everybody was alive. Still.

[Jadakiss]

When they called you to make this song, what was going through your mind, man? Because you bought the back in a major way, like. And they Sounded good. Yeah, we got. After he talk about this, I don't.

[Fat Joe]

Think we could do that. I don't think nobody could do that right now. 2025, bring, like a OG black gap.

[Jadakiss]

The way you crafted the production, and they fit from so many years from you. Just knowing about Rock Box and all that and being a fan.

[Pete Rock]

Being able to take from being a fan first and then, you know, trying to impress Russell Simmons at a young age. I'm 18, 19 years old.

[Jadakiss]

Want to show Russ I could do this. Yeah.

[Pete Rock]

And so after the shut him down, work the remix work, I was getting kind of pulled myself there, and they gave me a shot. I look at it as a shot like, Jam Master J showed up at my mama house, knocking on the door. So I opened the doors. Jam Master Jay almost got real dizzy, you know what I'm saying? Then he's like, yo, come on, let's go work on this. We had a meeting, and in the meeting, Russell was looking at me like, you know what I'm saying? And I had to prove myself. And I started getting down because I was like, maybe they don't want to work with me. And Jay showed up at the crib. He was like, yo, let's go next. Let's go work on this. And, you know, we started crafting ideas. And then he said, yo, this is the beat pattern I want. And I was like, you know what? I just hit record. And I was like, you do it. He'd have the beat pattern. You did it. Then I added Zigza. We did something else, and I just finished it all. So we kind of made it together. All the sounds came from me, but it was his idea. Just a man.

[Fat Joe]

I wish Scott Storch gave me that credit, man.

[Pete Rock]

Just.

[Fat Joe]

I did Lean Back.

[Pete Rock]

Megan ran with him.

[Fat Joe]

I did all my joints with him, and I swear to God, I ain't pressed the buttons. But I told him the sound.

[Pete Rock]

Yes.

[Fat Joe]

Candy Shop. I did it. He denies it. I had little Kemp there. So, like, everybody like a snake, mama, Scott Storch. But, you know, you could tell him, and he could play it.

[Pete Rock]

Yes, right. Yes.

[Fat Joe]

And so I went for a long drive this weekend, right? And all I heard about 30 times in a row was, whose world is this? World is yours it's mine Is mine it's mine. Whose world is this? Whose world is yours?

[Pete Rock]

Oh, shit.

[Fat Joe]

Whose world is this? You just came up with the hook, like.

[Pete Rock]

No, actually, he did.

[Jadakiss]

Ka la la la la la.

[Fat Joe]

You know, he came to the Vernon.

[Pete Rock]

Shout out to Lars professor, you know.

[Fat Joe]

What I'm saying your Lars, after they.

[Jadakiss]

Left Eric Sermon's career and went to.

[Fat Joe]

Cpr, Large professor who started Help Lord.

[Pete Rock]

Finesse, who was the captain of all of this. And so he was like, yo, Pete, I got this dude. Then he played me the barbecue thing. I was like, wow. Brought him to the crib. Then he comes in and he just stands against the wall. And then I pop that one in. And I was about to say, all right, let me go to the next one. He was like, hey, yo, yo, chill, chill. That's the first time he ever said so. He's just like, start the Venice. I was like, do you like it? And he was like. Kept bopping. And then he came up with the hook. I gave him a few minutes. He had that composition book or whatever, I think. And then he was like, yo, I want you to sing this part. Cause you know, I used to play around on records and be doing that little stupid stuff on records, but he wanted me to sing that part. And he was like, singing like this. And then he started singing, ooh. Well, it's this. I ain't know it was going to come out the way it did, but I said, I'm going to do my best. Crazy, ridiculous shout out to the ill man.

[Fat Joe]

Next we got to ask the brother himself, Nas. You know, I ain't got to tell you. You know, you got to touch the couch. Him, Jay, they all going to touch this couch. Yep. They confront all they want, buy new coliseums, whatever the fuck they want. They know they want to touch that stratosphere of real hip hop. They gots to come on this.

[Jadakiss]

Go buy new coliseums, whatever the fuck you want.

[Fat Joe]

Look, my fingers, my Twitter fingers are getting tired of hitting Jay Z and Nas with congratulations. If I look at my last 30 texts, it's like, yo, congratulations, dog. You pulled it off. God bless you. Means a lot coming from you, Joe. Yeah, good man. This like these guys.

[Jadakiss]

One thing. I'm ready to borrow something from both of them. Almost ready.

[Pete Rock]

Well, you know what, who I'm with, Jada. Not to put you in the spot or nothing, but, you know, I said I ain't chopped liver over here, but.

[Fat Joe]

Well, you ain't never been chopped liver.

[Jadakiss]

Never. We know that such thing.

[Fat Joe]

How would.

[Pete Rock]

How many people would love to hear, like, a Pete Rock produced Locks album?

[Fat Joe]

All I need is one piece.

[Jadakiss]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Jadakiss]

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[Pete Rock]

You do.

[Fat Joe]

I love that last album.

[Pete Rock]

I like thank you.

[Fat Joe]

I love that last album with Common. That thing was hell yeah.

[Pete Rock]

Shout out to Common.

[Fat Joe]

Flip the bridge. Yeah we was talking about hip hop, the game and this and that. When you tap a MC Shan sample, you know something's coming. Your like it came yo MC Shan the real deal full wave title it came. Shan don't give a about him and.

[Pete Rock]

We we hit him off.

[Fat Joe]

He take the teeth out and it's it's on.

[Pete Rock]

I Still respect him.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

What was he talking about? MC Shan.

[Jadakiss]

He's wanted his money, huh?

[Pete Rock]

He got his money.

[Jadakiss]

He got paid.

[Fat Joe]

I knew you knew to take care of him. He got. But he still went crazy, right? Yep. You can't.

[Pete Rock]

You know what that is, bro?

[Fat Joe]

I paid three times. But the last shit I put out, the paradise for Stevie B, I paid for the sample to the niggas that own it. Yeah, that.

[Pete Rock]

I bought the shit. I know the sample you used.

[Fat Joe]

I paid him. You know, I tried my best to not be in the MC Shed. Like, he don't own it.

[Pete Rock]

We did the right.

[Fat Joe]

I went to him. He started telling me, yo, I own it. Coming back in 20, 28, this. I said, yo, how much? Please let me pay you? Whoever said they owned it, I paid it. Like, yeah. I mean, I didn't want no beef, right? I didn't catch no beef.

[Pete Rock]

I didn't know that was gonna come afterwards. I thought he was gonna be like, yo. Cause he did a post where he said, yo, them brothers are stand up brothers. Then the next week he went in on us. So that's the part I didn't get. Like, how you gonna do a poll?

[Fat Joe]

I'm telling you, a problem. Like this podcast shit. I bigged up two, three, four people that I really love that we all know. It's like me bigging up Pete Brock. I'mma always use Kid Capri. He's one of them top five DJs. Kid Capri.

[Jadakiss]

The next thing, I was like, where you put him at, man?

[Fat Joe]

Number one DJ in the world. What more you want to be?

[Jadakiss]

You called him.

[Fat Joe]

That's. Yes. We gotta discuss the latest effect. I'm like, yo, I talked to Kid.

[Jadakiss]

Capri yelling at people, right?

[Fat Joe]

All the time.

[Jadakiss]

You gave DJs, they flowers and you put Khaled on a red carpet. And that's what he got mad. I call him right now. You told him Khaled's too rich to even put with them. And he's hitting us.

[Fat Joe]

We talked about Jay Z. Khaled could buy a Coliseum, too. So my thing is, you know, I go around Khaled and I'm broke. My. I don't care how much money I think I got. One day I pull out a watch, say, yo, Khaled. Man says, yo, come upstairs, right?

[Jadakiss]

I'm like, here we go.

[Fat Joe]

I go upstairs, he opens his safe from the ceiling.

[Pete Rock]

Oh, Lord.

[Fat Joe]

Might have been 100 watches like this. Look, I don't care what Fat Joe, whatever you think I ain't got DJ Khaled. But know what I'm saying, The man got his own airplane. So that's what I was saying, but Kid Capia put him number one. He went bad on me. Two. Time of felon back from maternity leave.

[Jadakiss]

Oh, he made history.

[Fat Joe]

Congratulations, bro. Congratulations. Congratulations. You got it here.

[Jadakiss]

I'm telling you firsthand. I gave you a segment because nobody ever been able to leave work for a niece or nephew. No, it's a tv. That's the showing. How we doing shit on our set. He gotta be your son, daughter, twins, triplets, octomob, One of them. Your niece or nephew. You gotta be thankful for your co workers that let you leave. And congratulations.

[Fat Joe]

What's her name?

[Jadakiss]

Shout out to Lila, baby. Lila Jeanette Moses, baby, we love you.

[Pete Rock]

No doubt, God bless. But I talk to Kid Capri all the time.

[Fat Joe]

No, Kid Capri is my brother. Yeah, that's why I didn't understand. I said, yes, he is. I seen him at the funeral. I seen him at Ray De Jong's funeral. He came up to me, I said, yo, kid, like, you gotta stop the man. I picked him up as the number one DJ in the world. He disses me, bro. What do you want me to do? I'm like, yo, I know they dissed me, man. I big them up and then they dissed me. And all I'm trying to do is preserve the culture, sit on this couch and big up everybody. That's what I was taught in hip hop. Yeah, in hip hop. I was taught that we're one community.

[Jadakiss]

We are one community, but we the fakest commute. And niggas don't talk about fake dogs.

[Fat Joe]

No, y' all gotta get that 1800 coming. Cause I like this trick.

[Jadakiss]

You talking about the community of hip hop and the love. It's fake. People get what they need outta you hear from them eight years from there, then this and that. You see them in the party, in the section, they say, joe, let's do it. Let's own effort. You never hear from me.

[Fat Joe]

Well, I risked my life a million times for rappers. Like, I seen rappers getting ruffled up in the corner by the extortionists. I seen him getting chased out the clubs by the biggest guys in the world. I seen that. I seen some.

[Pete Rock]

I did hear one story.

[Fat Joe]

Fat Joe has saved so many rappers. I never tell a story because it's really, really embarrassing. I had beef one time with the whole entire west coast playing with the. And every New York rapper was there. And when them dudes came and formed Voltron on this, they Start whispering. Everybody walked away. I seen it my own eyes. Everybody we ever thought was tough, who had rhymes in they shit like they was killing. They was leaving me to get beat up in the middle of the street. In front of everybody, I'm like, yo, New York, what's up? Just like it was closing his curtains and shit. The sign on the door were closed. Closed for business. The only rapper from New York that jumped in was Juju from the Beatnuts. And at that point, I wanted to be like, yo, Juju, you shouldn't have jumped in.

[Pete Rock]

That's my bro.

[Fat Joe]

He don't care. Yo, Juju, you're a real one. But you, man, you should have mind your business with. This is a pure ass whooping shout out. Your brother from Mount Vernon, A.B. butler. One time I was in a similar situation. I had 20 diesel bodyguards about to beat me up. AB ran over and was like, yo, Joe, I'm with you. It's a little guy like this.

[Jadakiss]

Okay, B. Smurgle.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

Ab, Small G, man.

[Fat Joe]

Let me ask you.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

AB and kb?

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, we cousin.

[Pete Rock]

You know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

No, I'm saying. But, yo, I admire those guys. Those guys, they got love for me for life.

[Pete Rock]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

You know, but shout out to ab.

[Pete Rock]

That's. I grew up with him, man. He remembers me on a little. Man. Shout out to Ab shows me pictures of us.

[Fat Joe]

He was. No, no, of course. But he was behind the scenes in Beach Street. And like, he was outside. He was from Mount Vernon, but not from Mount. He was outside where they shooting B Street. Ab's there, you know, taking pictures with Lee and all them in Prospect Avenue, in the Bronx. Like, he was there. He was like, joe, I was beyond outside. I'm like, what do you mean, Ab? Like, anybody name them, I was there. They think I'm down with their crew. I was there.

[Pete Rock]

It's right. He's right.

[Jadakiss]

A.B. was here. I knew A.B. before I knew him. Every time I go to Daddy House, he was on the phone in the studio. What was this session like for Don't Curse?

[Pete Rock]

Oh, Everybody under one roof. I was that a lot.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Nah, he'll never get that.

[Pete Rock]

You don't get that a lot. That happened in Green Street. Happened in the A room. I remember Kane coming through, doing his verse. I remember G Rap coming through. I remember Tip coming through. Pooba. That was automatic, Doc. That's New World, you know, and it happened under one.

[Jadakiss]

He's being very modest.

[Pete Rock]

That was a brilliant idea, make a record like that.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, it was his idea. Yeah. Yeah, but seeing it like Kurt. Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

So they just said we was gonna make this song called Don't Curse. That was.

[Pete Rock]

I came up with every concept. You ever hear him rap on? From hooks to like bridges. That's where I learned it from. How to build songs.

[Jadakiss]

Don't Curse is one of my favorite that you did the beat?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Wanna play it? No, we ain't gotta wait. Eat curse too much play we don't.

[Fat Joe]

This one definitely goes out on a set.

[Pete Rock]

Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

This is Mikey Peaceful journey. This distinction still knocking right now.

[Fat Joe]

You can play.

[Jadakiss]

This song.

[Fat Joe]

Lyrics in a verse to make the. Tell me what's your problem? I'm curious.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

You're telling me don't curse. I reversed until the worst first I put a curse in every verse I kind of got outrageous check it even made a race record. How I'm doing all my bchs ducks it wasn't for the bucks Every word that you heard is cause I didn't give up sucks and yo, I almost forgot the curse is a plot but it's getting kind of hot so I'mma let profanity retire.

[Fat Joe]

Richard Pryor kick up first but do your man a favor and don't curse. He wrote my first line. For those who can't follow and got stuck co flip the other way Is this a curse? I freak the nurse my hat. Curse.

[Jadakiss]

That right here man.

[Fat Joe]

Go ahead, ask me. Bingo.

[Pete Rock]

Sounds of the.

[Fat Joe]

Big daddy king the smooth rap inventor.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

The enter discussions 95 so there's no need to censor. Kids want to peep it but you want to beep it. What? I feel like slapping a sticker on your chill chill sick butt. You magical rhymes are too tragical for.

[Fat Joe]

Any source to stop Kane from getting capital. They wasn't saying that back then, bro.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Kick another verse and don't forget not to curse.

[Pete Rock]

Hey.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

Oh, big daddy, check this out.

[Fat Joe]

I'm about to do some old slicks. My first rhyme ever. I wrote this. I'mma bring my little cousin the producer of this joint.

[Pete Rock]

His name is DJ.

[Fat Joe]

But don't curse God bless but I can't mess around with the curses so I'm a kick vers why first super.

[Pete Rock]

Father number one here to kick facts.

[Fat Joe]

Smoke the microphone and produce crazy tracks.

[Pete Rock]

Yo, I'm a bad bro, let's start.

[Fat Joe]

The flow I'm a kick line so it's time for me to go. I say curse cause FD said so. Now to get back to the subject get wrecked if you think I'm bluffing just check with the crew he rocking CF me very down to earth and we didn't have the cuts.

[Jadakiss]

You was catching them mountains and that's why he was riding them.

[Pete Rock]

Let me get mine dishes in my.

[Fat Joe]

A1 is dealing with hits if I have 4 girls then I'll lick Wait don't want to hear no dramas so.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I blew out and get mad lifted don't have to stay up to show.

[Fat Joe]

That I'm gifted God bless me cuz.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

I reached my 21st FD don't drop.

[Pete Rock]

A curse.

[Jadakiss]

Oh fact, bro, that was that history, bro. Hell yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Peace, peace, peace to the preacher I'm talking about a verse without a curse.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

That'S how I reach you I could.

[Fat Joe]

Rock a party without a swear or a harsh verb Bad words, no curse words Heavy D prefer so swing, swing.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

To the so be clean rhythm Before.

[Fat Joe]

I say goodbye let me tell you.

[Pete Rock]

How I hit him CLP rock G.

[Fat Joe]

Black daddy cute me as well time.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

To say please thank me for the.

[Fat Joe]

Beats this funky beat was made for.

[Joe Crack the Dawn]

The streets Notice how clean that we.

[Fat Joe]

Kept him reverse but at worst came the worst.

[Jadakiss]

You, you.

[Fat Joe]

We started cursing.

[Pete Rock]

That was fun.

[Jadakiss]

That's one of the songs that made me meat.

[Pete Rock]

That's the funnest time I've ever had in hip hop. Working with that man.

[Jadakiss]

That's ill, man. Rest in peace. To heaven, man.

[Fat Joe]

Let me ask you a question, Pete.

[Pete Rock]

Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

They come back from the bathroom. This is a dirty.

[Fat Joe]

That's not else. No, that's how you do it. You know, every time I'm in the studio, I get stuck. I use the bathroom when I'm writing. I go in there, I go in there. It's freezing in this.

[Jadakiss]

You come back to the Chanel Stoley. Or you could have came with a five dollar joint.

[Fat Joe]

Let him.

[Pete Rock]

Let him ask this question.

[Fat Joe]

I hate to say top five, but top five producer slash dj, that rap for me. Yeah, for you, not a lot.

[Pete Rock]

J, Dilla Diamond D came out with two smokers. Eric Sermon, Dr. Dre.

[Fat Joe]

Oo one more you.

[Jadakiss]

That's a motherfucker.

[Fat Joe]

I don't like people. I don't like people putting themselves in the list. But you definitely in the list. But yo, Daz Dillinger was doing them beats. And I looked at him more as an emcee. I didn't realize the years later did that Tupac, he was doing the beats.

[Jadakiss]

Shout out to Daz. He was just.

[Fat Joe]

He was like. I thought they were rappers. Like, I always looked at Daz and corrupt as spitters.

[Pete Rock]

I got a joint with Dre and corrupt, right? And I did both beats because the beat changes in the second verse, so Dre comes in on the second verse, killing shit. But Karut, yeah, yeah, he's underrated.

[Jadakiss]

Rob Young Gotti is my tell.

[Pete Rock]

Everyone, listen, just search up Pete Rock. Dr. Dre is gonna pop. The song didn't come out, but it's. It's. It's amazing.

[Fat Joe]

I remember Finesse went out there. He was working with Dr. Dre. I heard the joint ahead of time, and then, you know, it came out. What Joint Finesse did for the Chinese Sounding joint.

[Jadakiss]

Ring my bell?

[Fat Joe]

No, no, no. I forgot the name of the Chinese sounded joint. He worked a lot with ice T.2 at the. Early. At the beginning, Finesse was working with.

[Pete Rock]

Ice Tea, the only producer that was working with Ice Team. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I wanted to, but we. I never got to. But when I seen that, I was like, damn, I want to work with Ice Team.

[Jadakiss]

You know, the West Coast Magnum run.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, yeah. We need Ice Tea on here, Kelly. We need Ice T. Gotta touch this couch. Facts, you know what I'm saying? He's gangster.

[Pete Rock]

Yep.

[Fat Joe]

Beyond deserving. I never forget they threw this, you know, it was a concert, but not really because it was at the movie theater we used to watch. This shit was like, good luck, Rikers island or whatever, you know what I'm saying? This shit was Prospect movie theater. They threw one concert. For some reason, Ice T performed. And I never forget, it was around the time Larry Davis had shot them cops. Ice T was on top of the speaker talking about, go, Larry, go. Cop killed niggas was going to go, Larry, go. He had the whole crowd screaming. I knew this nigga was bugged out. I'm watching him. I say, yo, this dude is only.

[Pete Rock]

Robin Hood will ever have. From New York.

[Fat Joe]

That Larry Davis, what that situation.

[Pete Rock]

He's a hero for that.

[Fat Joe]

And he was corrupt. They.

[Jadakiss]

They.

[Fat Joe]

They was corrupt. They lined him up. They never let him come home. They lined him up. You know, they wasn't going to let.

[Pete Rock]

Him get away with that.

[Fat Joe]

These Knicks, you. You trade the whole team for Giannis? Nope. Jada says he wants to trade the whole team. Take everybody, you know what? You know, like, take everybody. Take the Knicks.

[Jadakiss]

We just keep the whole team and get Giannis.

[Pete Rock]

That's exactly what I was going to say just now.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, no, we're not keeping the whole.

[Jadakiss]

Team if you keep the major players.

[Fat Joe]

You're not doing that. That's the only way I'm not giving up every.

[Pete Rock]

Only seven footer to shoot threes like that.

[Fat Joe]

Besides, Yic, is Cat.

[Pete Rock]

Talk slow to these people. Come on.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, you so full of seven footers. The threes that. No, wait. I'm trying to tell you. You got to stop. Y' all gotta give Cat his props, man. I'm with you.

[Jadakiss]

He had. He sat right there where he was at. He didn't say none of that.

[Fat Joe]

What? What?

[Pete Rock]

No.

[Jadakiss]

Annie's from Uptown.

[Fat Joe]

Promotional use only. And he's from Uptown for promotion.

[Jadakiss]

And they said, keep Cat.

[Fat Joe]

Come on, man.

[Pete Rock]

Nah. But when you hear fans say, yo, trade this one, send this one away, that's them being haters, trying to break up the team.

[Fat Joe]

Yes. You think they're haters?

[Pete Rock]

They scared the devil what we got. And it's the same team. Run it back.

[Fat Joe]

De La Soul, let me tell you something. Shout out. De La. The album was incredible.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

They keep coming up to me because they know I love the Knicks, and I'm not even talking about men. Women are coming up to me. Yo, we need to Greek the freak. Yo, we need to get Kat out of here. I'm like, yo, we went the furthest we ever went last year. 25 years.

[Pete Rock]

That's preposterous.

[Fat Joe]

By the way. We really winning.

[Pete Rock]

We're one series away from taking it all last year with Thibodeau.

[Fat Joe]

This man right here, Mike Brown, I like him. I starting to like him, too. And he gotta move it. Oh, there you go.

[Pete Rock]

You don't like Mike Brown?

[Fat Joe]

No, I like him. He likes him. I love Tibbs.

[Jadakiss]

I still don't know why we got rid of Tibbs, but I spoke to a couple NBA players, and now they said he maxed out. He did his way of coaching.

[Pete Rock]

He don't do his starters correct.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah. And then once. Cal Bridges never missed a game in his life, and he said, this guy's playing us too much. They got him out of there.

[Pete Rock]

I know Jay Brunson. People have their issues with him, with drilling and stuff like that. With too much dribbling.

[Fat Joe]

Ball hog. Anybody else would have been considered a ball hog.

[Pete Rock]

Yeah, not him. He's the man. He's the captain. I love him, and I think he's gonna.

[Fat Joe]

We ain't shit without Jalen Brunson. Imagine right now they were saying, trade Jalen Brunson in the Giannis trade. Nobody want that. Give away your star player. Why would we do that if they right now said Giannis? Let me ask this guy. No, I'm just. Sister. Why would we do that? Why would we do that?

[Jadakiss]

How you say his last name? How you say his last Name.

[Pete Rock]

I wouldn't do it, Jada. I wouldn't do it.

[Fat Joe]

I lined you up, Jada. If they said trade Jalen Brunson in Milwaukee in that deal for Giannis.

[Jadakiss]

Do you take Giannis? No way. No. City is this. Is this Mantle? That's what we've been doing for years.

[Pete Rock]

That's why honest don't even shoot like cat, bro.

[Fat Joe]

Come on, man. Giannis in the nick uniform.

[Pete Rock]

It's beautiful.

[Fat Joe]

New York, Duncan.

[Pete Rock]

I'll take them without giving up.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, it's must. You can't get them without taking four.

[Jadakiss]

Give them four that we don't know.

[Pete Rock]

Give him one of the third string players on the beach.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, give them.

[Fat Joe]

No, they're not going with y' all guys.

[Jadakiss]

Then just leave it alone.

[Fat Joe]

That's why I told people, give them.

[Jadakiss]

The Knick dances, give them Deuce Stop. They're not even somebody else.

[Pete Rock]

They're not entertaining, though. No trace.

[Fat Joe]

Hey, Donovan Mitchell was in my house Sunday. Sunday. Oh, word. Celebrating with me that he's a nick. I went to the Rucker with him on that Friday. Took pictures, was hanging out. He was a Knick. Last minute, last very second, the Knicks played the game and said, we don't want to give up RJ Barrett. That's why that whole team went south. Danny ain't said, oh, you been playing with me. The Knicks say no, they had the plan B.

[Jadakiss]

That's the backup plan.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, no. But the plan B was right on plan A. Oh, word. Cleveland.

[Pete Rock]

Like they did them at the last, last, last minute.

[Fat Joe]

He was in my house. House. Jonathan Mitchell was in my house in New York. Can you imagine Jalen Brunson? Who you say?

[Jadakiss]

What's his name?

[Fat Joe]

Donovan Mitchell.

[Jadakiss]

Oh, okay, I'm gonna say somebody from the projects. Laquita is gonna name her baby Donna Donathan Crack Williams. Jonathan Crack Williams.

[Fat Joe]

You know, I was thinking about the other night. Remember it's foul, though. Remember they used to have bum fights back in the day? What, those Friday night fights?

[Pete Rock]

Incredible Friday night fights.

[Fat Joe]

Bling bling crack, pipe in the collar.

[Jadakiss]

You remember those shits was the best shit ever. Recipes to the east side, crackhead. Man, I miss you rapping Eastside, man. I miss him.

[Pete Rock]

Yeah, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

They used to go bling bling crack, pipe in the collar. You remember that? That's like a me too movement or something. That's like. We was fouled for that. Whoever had them dudes fighting over crack, that was just fat.

[Jadakiss]

I seen a. They made him drink a cup of hot sauce from out of this World that.

[Pete Rock]

Well, he got the £40.

[Jadakiss]

The drink a cancel hot sauce. It had to be the from the volcano dog. He was on the floor say please.

[Fat Joe]

Give me that killed.

[Jadakiss]

They couldn't give him nothing fast enough. That burnt his inside.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, you got this homeless guy, right? Omaco do hold my coat.

[Jadakiss]

I'll do the homeless guy like that.

[Fat Joe]

Go around for a week with the coat. So if there's a such thing as a homeless guy, I don't know if he uses drugs or anything like that, but he stand his is Hermes in the daytime, then Noble at night. He's just two.

[Jadakiss]

Those are his locations?

[Fat Joe]

Yes, sir. Wow. There every day, right?

[Jadakiss]

He know where the bread is at. He know where to go. He got drowned real estate on Monopoly.

[Fat Joe]

Highly respect, respected. Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

Anybody go to Hermes and Noble? He's a. That is the matriarch of the bunch.

[Fat Joe]

The Hermes people love him.

[Jadakiss]

The Noble, they take care of him and all. Yes.

[Fat Joe]

This guy got him a one bedroom. He's like a food truck in front of the spot. You can't miss him.

[Jadakiss]

Get him a studio.

[Fat Joe]

The point is, every time I see him throw him a little $100, my wife be looking at me like I'm crazy. That's not my job. Like I'm really not the guy to give somebody who get high got money. I just don't. Not if it's a lady that look like she got a family.

[Jadakiss]

You take your sides on bum. You got a Hermes bum there, you won't give a regular. I don't like that though. He got an Hermes bum and Noble.

[Fat Joe]

For the first time. He told me the other day, he said, yo, Joe, you know I'm outside. This get cold.

[Pete Rock]

Yeah, bro.

[Fat Joe]

So I went in my house, I brought out the refrigerator. I got a coat up to the angle that that called it. But refrigerator, like you sleep in that bit, might as well be like a house.

[Jadakiss]

It's like a sleeping bath.

[Fat Joe]

You could stand in Aspen for 10 hours. That shit ain't going nowhere. That shit is the refrigerator. So I drove around for like a whole week. I ain't see him. Then I go to my. My spot. The Conde on 178. There's always this other guy. He's always sitting out there. And I walk by. He had the thinnest coat on and it was freezing again. I went and got the refrigerator and just brought it to him. And I. We took off the tags and say he on me was like Fat Joe. The whole block was jumping up down because they know the man up.

[Jadakiss]

Man, you Got to give the Hermes.

[Fat Joe]

Something great last night. What you gonna give him for you?

[Jadakiss]

You got another figure?

[Fat Joe]

I got another one. I got a Gore Texury. You know, I fight the power. I'm an overdraft.

[Pete Rock]

Yo, I remember seeing you.

[Fat Joe]

Okay, I'm an overdresser. Hit 40, I'm in the fur. I don't give a fuck. Like I'm an exaggerator. Yeah, I'm gonna dress. You know how they say, dress your age? I dress that fucking. You know what? The coldness.

[Pete Rock]

You say that as we getting older. Cause you're just so used to dressing.

[Jadakiss]

Like how you dress.

[Pete Rock]

Can't help it, man. You're supposed to, what, put on a suit now?

[Jadakiss]

Cause you're supposed to put on whatever you feel like putting on.

[Fat Joe]

Okay, so are we dressing our age?

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, when you put on whatever the fuck you want, you dress J. Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

It is what it says. All the old young is like, dad shoes, quarter zip. He is starting to put rules on all over, like quarter zip.

[Jadakiss]

Quarter zips is pot. Yeah, they do. They not making fun of them. Those shits came back, quarter zips came back.

[Fat Joe]

I got a quarter zip for that ass, boy.

[Jadakiss]

Let me tell you.

[Fat Joe]

Look, I got one from.

[Jadakiss]

Not the leopard skin joint. Uncle Elroy caught a zip with the leopard.

[Fat Joe]

I'm gonna tell you something. When it come to this fashion shit, belt to ass, man, it's getting bad out here for these guys, man. You see them Victors? Them Victors. That belt.

[Jadakiss]

I had to harass them for my pick.

[Fat Joe]

There you go. Juman and Freeman started out as Jew man in the Bronx.

[Jadakiss]

Simpson and Freeman.

[Pete Rock]

Yes, sir.

[Jadakiss]

Two train.

[Fat Joe]

God, just b. The other day I wore this Pele Pele. They made a Nick Pele Pele. By the way, they took it back.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, you had the one nobody could get. They took it back, did that. They asked me, beat that jacket.

[Fat Joe]

About to rob him.

[Jadakiss]

I'm keeping next year, though. That's me.

[Fat Joe]

I took the one for next year. But I was actually about to say you dead. Like I'm there.

[Jadakiss]

I was there.

[Fat Joe]

And R said, ah, Joe, the man trusted you. He gave me back. I was going to keep the jacket is what I'm trying to think. Next day, photo shoot, whatever, who gives a fuck. But the owner, I'm telling him, I know you just use the kid from Jew Man. That's where I got my start. He said, man, I know you from Rose Teddy Some, bro. He said, I used to see you in Juman every day.

[Jadakiss]

That's where I knew he was there.

[Fat Joe]

Owner of.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, that's ill. Yep.

[Pete Rock]

You had the three card Marley, man.

[Fat Joe]

I was just like you, right? The three card. Chuckala. You remember Chuckala? Yes, sir. They got the three dice Chuckle Up.

[Pete Rock]

I was there.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, one day, I'm in Fordham Road. My man from out of town, right? He with me. All I know is the dude come back and he says, yo, man, lend me some money, man. The man just took my. I said, what you mean, the man took? He said, chuckalok, man. I said, you was Chucky Lock. He said, nah, nah, give me some money. I'll get it back. I said, you want to know something? Because he was talking real reckless. Because the Chuckalok guy always looked like a regular guy. He always got three guys standing with him.

[Jadakiss]

I don't know that.

[Fat Joe]

And I said, you see him? I said, you see him? You see him? They all with the chuckle up. He was like, yeah. But, yo, the guy got me. So I go to the Chuckle up. Dude, I know Papi has to. Yo, Papi, you know, give him his money back. Cause it's about to be a problem here. This is our store. And you know, you robbing niggas, we letting you rob niggas. Just not him. He gave him his little 2, 300 back. That was that. But he had no clue he was the place to survive. Chuckle Lock always got a team. The guy comes and wins on purpose. They let somebody win. Yeah, you think he won? He's part of the team that reels you in.

[Jadakiss]

Then you lose your whole school clothes.

[Pete Rock]

Yeah, I got lost 60 bucks.

[Jadakiss]

What? Lost his school clothes before K for.

[Fat Joe]

K. You lost your school clothes? You fucking around, huh? Three called Marley. You thought you could find the red one? Okay. They fucked you good, huh?

[Jadakiss]

He switched into one champion. One pair. Air Force you, girl.

[Fat Joe]

They beat you out your school clothes.

[Jadakiss]

He was going to get right. He came back with one champion, one Air Force.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, God bless my mother, because she understood what it meant to be flying the hood. My father didn't. He from Cuba. He ain't give a fuck.

[Jadakiss]

I had that with my pop.

[Fat Joe]

My mother gave me, you don't know, a pair of pumas. Suede pumas. Three years after it was established, she got it for me. She said, son, you got it. It's four of us. We in the project, made it happen.

[Jadakiss]

She gave me.

[Fat Joe]

I go to Claremont pool and I put my sneakers in the locker without a lock.

[Pete Rock]

Done. Done. That's boomers, nigga.

[Jadakiss]

Bam. And shot right song was this trip.

[Fat Joe]

They got you some niggas got me. Damn, I had to walk 30 blocks in socks. That wasn't even it. What was worse was the ass whipping.

[Jadakiss]

They wanted you to go in the pool with your shit. Why did you get in the pool with him?

[Fat Joe]

I had no clue. I threw him in the lock. I played myself. Yeah, they stole my shits. You know I'm all about a nigga stealing. You know what I'm saying? You get me today, I get you tomorrow. It's still problem. No, I know the karma. Nah. So you caught another pair of stole cars. They stole my car. I robbed this, I brought that. You ever had somebody rob your whole apartment? Oh my God. You want to feel in the Broadway? Yo, I had an apartment with all the fly leather, the tv, this and that. And I stood in my mother's house for like that four day Christmas. I come back, same dudes always in front of the building. This is before rap. So I go upstairs to the apartment. When I tell you the only thing in there, not even rugs, was the refrigerator. I came downstairs, I pistol whipped every guy in that, that block. To this day, I never go near it because I know. I pistol whip the whole block. Like I'm like, like I can't go back, stop at the store, none of that. I'm like, yo, when I tell you I whipped they asses. These are the guys. They in that lobby 24. They knew if it wasn't dump, they.

[Jadakiss]

Stole the big T. Whoever did it went right past them.

[Fat Joe]

Listen, you needed eight guys to move that tv. There was no elevator in the thing. The big tv. The big tv. Remember when the big TV with the fat ass? Yes.

[Jadakiss]

Oh, man, you need at least, you.

[Fat Joe]

Might need 6 diesel. You not getting away with the tv. Them niggas was actually the lookouts they stole. When you get your crib robbed, the whole. The picture of Jesus was gone. Cody. I'm surprised they ain't take the refrigerator. I guess those are free in the building, right? Them niggas, they all caught it bad out there in that lobby. But they got me for everything. Everything they got me for. That's the biggest violation. So you know, I'm cool with somebody getting over on me, you know. Cause you know I've done stuff. This is a karma based business.

[Pete Rock]

Yep. Straighten it out. That's one of the reasons why we made that shit. Bootlegging and shit like that.

[Jadakiss]

That, that's one of my favorite songs ever.

[Pete Rock]

That's one of my joints.

[Fat Joe]

Oh yeah, you remember the video where.

[Pete Rock]

We did the video in Essex county in A real jam.

[Jadakiss]

Straighten It Out Video song with the yg. Yeah. That shit is fire. Straighten It Out.

[Pete Rock]

And we did that video.

[Jadakiss]

Timeless.

[Pete Rock]

That was fire. The video was crazy. Real jail. Then we went to the women's side of the jail. And I have a few stories about that I don't know if I want to tell.

[Fat Joe]

The women's side of the jail. What happened with the women's side of the jail, Jim?

[Pete Rock]

And I was signing autographs, and there's one woman I saw took the pen and went like this.

[Fat Joe]

Ooh.

[Pete Rock]

And gave it to me to sign. I didn't touch it, though.

[Jadakiss]

Oh, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Let's talk about Sheik.

[Pete Rock]

Luke is a gangster. And Jadakiss is a gangster. And Kim was a gangster.

[Jadakiss]

Play whatever he wants to play.

[Pete Rock]

That locks.

[Jadakiss]

Gangster Gang.

[Pete Rock]

Yeah, that's it.

[Jadakiss]

That's from Gangster Gangster and the Super Gentleman.

[Fat Joe]

Right?

[Jadakiss]

Super gentleman and Gangster Gentleman and a super gangster.

[Pete Rock]

Yes.

[Jadakiss]

He had gangster and a gentleman, and he had a gentleman and a super gangster.

[Pete Rock]

I got confused, too.

[Jadakiss]

It wasn't gentlemen. It was just super gangster.

[Pete Rock]

I was trying to figure out which one am I on?

[Jadakiss]

It's Gangster and the Gentleman. Then the other album was Super Gangster.

[Pete Rock]

That's the one I'm.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, put that on. And the song is Gangster Gangster.

[Pete Rock]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Come on, son.

[Jadakiss]

Did I make music like this.

[Sheek Louch]

Against the block? Once you come with a gangster gangster you don't get nothing but gunshells I ain't on the ball loose pass me the dumbbells I'm in war mode lay in mor mode body after body so.

[Jadakiss]

The story was foretold Twist them up.

[Sheek Louch]

Real tight just like a cornrow sticking the hair grease bullets in your eye, your earpiece Bullets whistle like canary for canaries the stones is yellow but so is the owner Ain't the blood but I make a Madonna crash the whip after dealer trying to get me your loner gotta split that addicted corona Fuck around, make you sip some ammonia comma put your ass in a coma don't nobody give a fuck if you paralyzed Kiss past the sore so I can shade on the barrel side Ass said he was the king so he looked.

[Fat Joe]

In the foul eyes Glow is the.

[Sheek Louch]

Bow but the verse is the arrow ride what nigga she Luch is a gangster gangster Jadakiss is a gangster gangster Styles B is a gangster D block won't you come with a gangster gangster? Sheet Luch is a gangster gangster Jadakiss is a gangster gangster Styles B is a gangster D block won't you come with a gangster? You ain't Got to remind me I'm a top of the line G if you a fan you could say I've been popping since 93 you my man then you know I've been popping my whole life outside till it's finished my nigga the whole night you contracting ink pens later turned into boss respect mob ties and kingpin paper mountain and deep cardi frames and pin gators gotta learn how to deal with the weakling haters don't even think about the top 10 just think Jada never equal less than I think Greater Gambino affiliate still transport bricks a boy on a bike while my man Willy I'm silly shit imagine how rich we could really get A pool table, the crib got a belly and streets is our problem Hope my love got them three piece purple label with the hard bottoms Gangster She Luch is a gangster gangster Jada Kiss is a gangster gangster style B is a gangster D block won't you come with a gangster gangster she Luch is a gangster gangster Jada Kiss is a gangster gangster.

[Fat Joe]

The gate I pack heavy big Chevy 24s bandana like I'm one of the outlaws 44 sit on my lap Other thing in the truck it's too big and it come with a strap I got bitches, money, cars and a lot already got weed Bring cigars to the spot Coke in the pot, yak on the counter three money counters get from around us I probably won't do yay or 50 sales like they probably won't last and none of these jails I'm tattooed up Levi's double soul chuckers no shirt I'm back the Mac go clack they keep your little stink mouth Attack Silver back the Barack or rap lox D block coward hold that she Luch.

[Sheek Louch]

Is a gangster gangster Jada Kiss is a gangster gangster styles B is a gangster D block won't you come with a gangster gangster Sheep Luch is a gangster gangster Jada Kiss is a gangster gangster South B is a gangster D block won't you come with a gangster gangster.

[Pete Rock]

Man, man, that was.

[Fat Joe]

You know. I used that same sent LV produced.

[Jadakiss]

Jack is incredible, huh?

[Fat Joe]

LB used that same stand for a.

[Pete Rock]

Joint for so did. So did. Damn. What's my man? What's my man? That was in the group with Joe Buton in the.

[Fat Joe]

Joel Ortiz used that. Joel Ortiz, a cool dude.

[Pete Rock]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Joel Ortiz. I'll say that here. And I don't mean no disrespect, right?

[Jadakiss]

Please don't say nothing bad about my man.

[Fat Joe]

I'm not going to sell his. Thank you. What I'm trying to tell you is.

[Pete Rock]

Watch it. Joe.

[Fat Joe]

Go ahead. You might want to listen to me. I think the guy's so phenomenal, I invited him to Miami to make a hit. H I T. I sat down with Joel Ortiz for no dollar, no nothing. I gave him a hit, a Lean Back, a number one, this. He never put it out. He didn't want to hit. He bodied it. Some guys don't want the hit. They want to be underground so much. I never understood why he didn't put out the hit. B Rock. What are some of the beats you wish you did?

[Pete Rock]

Oh, wow. At least two Dr. Dre beats. At least two primo beats.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

Voice.

[Fat Joe]

Do you remember them or you just know?

[Pete Rock]

It'll come to me. Some big L shit. I wish I did. The Big Picture beat. I love that title. Who else?

[Fat Joe]

I said? You said two Dre.

[Pete Rock]

Primo, Dre, Supremo and Dre. I wish I made the Chronic.

[Fat Joe]

Jesus Christ.

[Pete Rock]

Yeah. Cause I was hooked to that.

[Fat Joe]

No, I was hooked along, too. Very narrative.

[Pete Rock]

Yeah, that was some shit. I can't front out. You. I got a little jealous of the Chronic? Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

That shit took the world.

[Fat Joe]

The way he was using was like. He sounded like AI in that day. Shit sounded like motion pictures. Little ghetto boy. All that shit was just outta control. Name me a couple of songs you wish you did. So when you hear it in the club.

[Jadakiss]

All hits.

[Fat Joe]

All hits.

[Pete Rock]

That's a good question.

[Jadakiss]

Lean back in the club.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, shit. Fuck out of here.

[Pete Rock]

Flo Jo.

[Jadakiss]

Flo Jo. Straighten it out. They reminisce over you. Fucking whose world is this? I realized I wish I made Mad show him.

[Fat Joe]

I wish I made in the club for sure. Every time I hear it, I'll be like, you know I made Candy Shop with Scott Storch. You know, I told him how to make the shit. He made it, and 56 turned that into some other shit. He called me 20 times. Are you sure? I could give it to 50 years before any beef or anything. I was like, yeah, give it to him, man. Every time I hear that motherfucker, I be like, God dang. But like, how did I let that.

[Pete Rock]

I heard how to Ride before everybody. Like, 50 don't remember this, but we was in Track Master. He saw me, he was like, yo, yo, yo, Pete, check this out. And he just pulled into the corner, he started spitting alerts to how to rob. And I was like, you gonna upset a lot of people with this one. Then when I heard that Beat. I was like, oh, man.

[Fat Joe]

No. That shit was crazy. You know he's the original troll.

[Pete Rock]

Yeah. But checkmate happens. So 91 4. 91 4, baby. 91 4.

[Fat Joe]

Checkmate.

[Pete Rock]

Yeah. 914B.

[Fat Joe]

So I don't play like. I don't listen to Ether. I don't listen to Ether. I don't listen to Super Ugly. I don't listen to you on my knees now that beefs are over I can't entertain it now that shit is.

[Pete Rock]

Over I did a Beef record.

[Fat Joe]

What beef record you did?

[Pete Rock]

Common and Ice Cube.

[Fat Joe]

I heard that. He told us here.

[Jadakiss]

Wow. Yeah, he did tell us that.

[Fat Joe]

The bitch in you.

[Pete Rock]

Yes, sir.

[Fat Joe]

That's crazy. I remember you did that.

[Pete Rock]

What was the hottest Beef record in the game?

[Fat Joe]

Me is the Bridge is Over. Lyrically, the bridge is over. It's the first time I knew Jamaican.

[Pete Rock]

That's true.

[Jadakiss]

That was a good one.

[Fat Joe]

What do you want me to do?

[Jadakiss]

That was a good one. I like that. Oh, I like that. I get myself.

[Fat Joe]

I'm in the South Bronx. Was it too much Jamaicans?

[Jadakiss]

I like that one.

[Fat Joe]

People across the country ain't grow up with Puerto Ricans.

[Pete Rock]

How many rappers got put in a place behind a diss record?

[Fat Joe]

A diss record? Oh, no.

[Pete Rock]

Behind the diss record. How many rappers said, I ain't going.

[Jadakiss]

At that interview leaving it alone?

[Fat Joe]

Yo, let me tell you something. KRS1 was my hero.

[Pete Rock]

I get that.

[Fat Joe]

And he was in shit's creep.

[Pete Rock]

I get that, Okay?

[Fat Joe]

I don't know what the fuck he was thinking going up against the whole Juice crew and all that, but it was not even me, the number one KRS fan, every show. Listen, he did eventually. We know the outcome.

[Pete Rock]

He's the first gangster rapper, actually.

[Jadakiss]

Try Ice Cube. Ice Tea.

[Fat Joe]

Nah, I think just Ice. No. Criminal Minded Iced Teas was criminal minded before.

[Pete Rock]

Yeah, that's no ice.

[Jadakiss]

This one come out with four ice teachers. Criminal Mind.

[Fat Joe]

No. Did he watch out.

[Jadakiss]

Hell, yeah. He's older than Kale. Wait a minute.

[Pete Rock]

Oh, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

But I'm saying 9 millimeter.

[Pete Rock]

I felt like Criminal.

[Jadakiss]

Ice Tea. Listen, Ice D had the first record deal.

[Pete Rock]

The rooftop was still open.

[Jadakiss]

You saying that, but Ice T had their first video.

[Fat Joe]

Heavy D. At first, I was with him.

[Pete Rock]

She was with him.

[Jadakiss]

Had a song in the video I was in Breaking.

[Fat Joe]

That was before Criminal.

[Jadakiss]

That was before everything.

[Fat Joe]

I see. Definitely got his AARP card.

[Pete Rock]

Okay, okay.

[Fat Joe]

Like, do you ask your aar? They just send it over and say, yo, you owe.

[Pete Rock]

He's a second gangster rapper.

[Fat Joe]

Like, I think I'm at the point where I could get a discount on the bus. Criminal minded before. See, I told you breaking.

[Jadakiss]

Come out.

[Fat Joe]

I told you the movie breaking.

[Pete Rock]

You had me questioning my history. Did you hear what he said, though, bro?

[Jadakiss]

Okay, he came out a few.

[Pete Rock]

So I was right. See, I was right.

[Jadakiss]

It went on the street. 83, 84.

[Fat Joe]

Criminal minded first in March of 87.

[Pete Rock]

Okay.

[Fat Joe]

Broad based in July.

[Pete Rock]

Breaking wind came out 84. Okay, you right.

[Jadakiss]

He got him.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, I see. I see him first.

[Jadakiss]

I've been paying.

[Pete Rock]

I'm like a student of flag on me.

[Fat Joe]

I know.

[Jadakiss]

He up there saying gangster rap and breaking. They doing with the broomstick. He was up there with Hammer Pants, Ice, doing the.

[Pete Rock]

The backslide.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, he was back. Moon War saying kill Turbo.

[Pete Rock]

That's Turbo.

[Fat Joe]

What the.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, that.

[Fat Joe]

Ice girl, Beach Street. All right, man. He was the ice king of the deal. LL Cool J destroyed a lot of careers. Like, his first battle with Kumo D, that was like.

[Pete Rock]

That was the one.

[Fat Joe]

Joint for joint, joint for joint, joint.

[Pete Rock]

That was a real battle.

[Fat Joe]

Kumo D was considered the nicest lyricist at the time.

[Pete Rock]

How was I able to make.

[Jadakiss]

Couldn't tell my boss it was no song better than the Wild Wild West. My pops, he made records. I didn't play anything. Him, I don't give.

[Fat Joe]

I used to live uptown.

[Jadakiss]

This is real. I want to hear this.

[Fat Joe]

My past.

[Pete Rock]

I played that says Death. That album, Kumo D. How you like me now?

[Fat Joe]

How you like me now? Teddy Riley.

[Pete Rock]

Come on, bro.

[Fat Joe]

Teddy Riley did that? Yeah, Big Teddy. As you didn't know, man, this is called a show.

[Jadakiss]

T.R. did a lot of T.R.

[Pete Rock]

Did black snoop. Generation, Generation.

[Fat Joe]

For Cool Kee for them, huh?

[Pete Rock]

No, that's Classical 2. Classical 2 is the name of them Raps, New Jersey. They were on Rooftop Records. Rooftop had a label?

[Fat Joe]

No, no, no.

[Jadakiss]

I remember Rooftop had a lit.

[Fat Joe]

First time I heard that was I was in Vietnam in the Bronx at a house party. And they played rappers, raps. New Generous, New Generous, get on up. You know, they got a video with me about 14, with the bubble goose with the big in the middle of the jam, New York. I screwing the whole party. You know what I'm saying? They got a video out there like that. You. You gotta find that for me.

[Jadakiss]

They got a video of me back up. And remember the time Michael Jackson.

[Fat Joe]

No, we got a video of you. I'm gonna post it somewhere.

[Jadakiss]

I was doing that. I wasn't like, spinning on your head and I was windmilling. Impact spinning. I can still do it to this day. Anybody want to bet?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

I got windmill. I got 10 windmills in me.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, Pete Rock, what's up, brother? Where's hip hop going? Artists don't even want to rap no more. Now these young boys want to stream.

[Pete Rock]

Only the pioneers could save us. Only people like us could save this. That understand the realness of what we're doing. You know, the music we make. Like, you know, the, the now we understand how important the youth is in today's society with everything that's happened, you know what I'm saying? And we want to connect with them because I, I had a hard time listening to that music. I, I was harsh. And my apology is, you know, the day LA Soul album, we made a record call yours and we talked to the View. So that's kind of like my apology joint to the View.

[Fat Joe]

It's called yours. Yeah, I heard it. I didn't, I didn't fix that up.

[Pete Rock]

Is on it. Commons on it.

[Fat Joe]

All right.

[Pete Rock]

Yeah. And so that record was an apology record to the news. So I feel like with us being older that know how to steer the shit, it's gonna be up to us to really have them connect with what we do. And hopefully, you know, they listen. And when we're gone, you know what they tell me?

[Fat Joe]

His son. Cause I hustle him all the time. His son come in, he likes having debates with the no, but it's crazy.

[Jadakiss]

He goes with my son, with his daughter.

[Fat Joe]

Everybody likes to pick their plates. I don't want to debate. I want to know what the youth is thinking.

[Pete Rock]

Yeah, that's my man, your son, you.

[Fat Joe]

Know what I'm saying? So I go, yo, what they say about this or what they think about that? And then they'll tell me and I'm like, are you serious? I guess when I get into it.

[Jadakiss]

When answers is far fetched because they.

[Fat Joe]

Don'T understand it, I'm in the pool with Nori's sons. I said, who's your favorite rapper? They tell me a name of a guy I never heard. I said, well, they was like, unk, you're not gonna like it. I said, what you mean the beat is trash? The rapper's trash. He's my favorite, yo. Like, who does that? Who's the best producer in the past five years?

[Pete Rock]

Who do you think that is has five years?

[Jadakiss]

That's like a microwave question.

[Pete Rock]

Damn.

[Jadakiss]

Come from where longevity Damn. Is molded.

[Fat Joe]

I'm gonna say alchemist shines.

[Pete Rock]

Alchemist.

[Fat Joe]

I'm gonna say he shines through Alchemist in that alc.

[Pete Rock]

Alchemist.

[Fat Joe]

Alchemist yeah.

[Pete Rock]

We bumped into each other in Japan.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, Alchemist.

[Pete Rock]

I've been walking in the record store.

[Fat Joe]

Alchemy. You almost shopping the record store.

[Pete Rock]

Digging. I walk in and I see this guy and I'm like, yo, that's. And then we hung out. Uh.

[Fat Joe]

Oh. I remember one time I was walking by the train station and somebody was selling some old records. And I bought him maybe $3. A bunch of old records. I brought em back to Diamond.

[Pete Rock]

Yep.

[Fat Joe]

And he looped up this joint I had. I had one of my first demos. Was. He's a big shot. Fred Joe is a big shot. He took it from the record we bought and made a fucking beat out of it. And I was one of my first demos. You know, with Diamond. I seen so much greatness with Diamond. You know, he still got it. Like, I go see him dj, and he got the same diddy bop. I'm like, the diamond diddy bop. And it's crazy, right? Because I told you that Reminisce is probably the greatest beat in the. I like horns. Horns hit right now. What? Even just horns is just like. Like my lifestyle. I like horns for some reason. Even that joint, y' all just played the gangster. Gangster game. That's some horn.

[Jadakiss]

That's some though.

[Fat Joe]

What's your favorite instrument to sample Keyboards sounds.

[Pete Rock]

And I like horns. I did the horn thing in the.

[Jadakiss]

You horned.

[Fat Joe]

You was a.

[Jadakiss]

But heavy horns. And everybody start following.

[Pete Rock]

I. I got it. I got it mostly from 45 king. But Marley. Marley started doing it first. No doubt. But 45 king, like, stressed it. And then I just said. I just capitalized, you know.

[Fat Joe]

Let me tell you something. I'm starting to work again, right? And I'm asking people for that raw sound. The other day I heard It's a Hard Knock Life. Even though that was a commercial hit, if you listen to it now, it had that raw 45 king sound.

[Pete Rock]

A master.

[Fat Joe]

I can't find producers these days to get that. What's the problem? Even when they do the raw sound, they'll do something glossy. They'll do something to it. It won't happen. This is bad.

[Pete Rock]

This is why AI is bad for music, okay? They don't have souls. They don't have the ideas that come from here to here and land here. Just a little knowledge about, you know, the music. It has to come from within for it to be dope AI could never reach.

[Fat Joe]

You know what's crazy is I had this guy every Sunday. I don't want to know why it lined me up, but I Go to the Italian deli, and I go get my olives, my stuff, you know? And they had a guy there that was almost like the Rain man, you know, he was cannolis, olives, matzo, Mel, you know, mozzarella.

[Pete Rock]

Like.

[Jadakiss]

Mozzarella, he called it. What did he call it? Mozzarella. Yo, come on, yo.

[Pete Rock]

Hey, watch them canoes. Yo, dogs, them can.

[Fat Joe]

Be.

[Jadakiss]

It's Jericho smoothing out. Called the Max of Mel. You can't go back. They can't poison you.

[Fat Joe]

Can I say something?

[Jadakiss]

Moxa mil.

[Fat Joe]

So I get to talking to this guy, right? So I'm in there talking to him, and then he's talking about jazz music. And this he says. He says, hip hop. You know how to play instruments. You know how to. I said, no. He was like, so where does hip hop come from? So as I'm explaining to him, for the first time in my life, it opened my mind. So I was like, yo, hip hop comes from sampling all other art forms of music, whether it's Jamaican, whether it's jazz, whether it's. It don't matter. We sample everybody else's music. So I'm explaining it to them, and while I'm explaining it to him, I'm hearing it myself for the first time, where I'm like, oh, shit. We come from all kind of music. Run dmc. I'm the king of rock. I said, you know, they sample rock.

[Jadakiss]

Haley Rock. Remember that?

[Fat Joe]

Haley Rock.

[Pete Rock]

Yeah. Remember that shit?

[Fat Joe]

I'm gonna tell you, we did the 50th anniversary in Yankee Stadium, and if you ask me, I silently, you know, none of my victory. Nobody broadcasts Fat Joe's victories. They just won. Whoever you name stepped up on the stage. I really believe. Top three, top two. I ripped it down more than anybody. I don't care who.

[Pete Rock]

Common got busy, too, though. Common was there.

[Fat Joe]

He did good. He didn't do.

[Pete Rock]

Not better than you, though.

[Fat Joe]

All right? Joe ripped that shit down like me in the backyard. Yeah. Nobody ripped it down like me. But I'm gonna keep it real with you. I go up with my family to the suite, and them boys came out and that shit said doom. Noon.

[Jadakiss]

Noon.

[Fat Joe]

No, no. And I was just like a kid again. And one dmc. I was like, yo, the gods is here. Like one dmc.

[Pete Rock]

That was big for me when I.

[Fat Joe]

Was a kid, they were like, superhero God for the memorial.

[Pete Rock]

Come on, bro.

[Jadakiss]

Fat Boys run dlc, Rapping Duke and something else my mom's bought me there. That was one my best time of my life.

[Fat Joe]

This up there. Producer I know his name. But you remember, right? Larry.

[Jadakiss]

Larry Smith.

[Fat Joe]

Smith. Larry Smith.

[Jadakiss]

Larry took me inside his captain. That's my Sova, drove off and he never came back.

[Fat Joe]

Genius, man.

[Pete Rock]

Davey dmx, all this Dave cut the record down, too.

[Fat Joe]

That was Davey Dave, y'.

[Pete Rock]

All. That's who we was talking about and stuff.

[Fat Joe]

Cut this seat.

[Jadakiss]

Cut the record down to Davey D. Yeah, Larry. You called him. What did you call them? Dave.

[Fat Joe]

So we said, no, you called them something else. You're all the best. Cut this deep. I used to like Malcolm McLaren. Worlds Worlds famous. Supreme Teammark. Supreme Team Show. Show. Show. That shit was crazy. It was crazy.

[Pete Rock]

It was.

[Jadakiss]

Right. That's real hip hop shit, right?

[Pete Rock]

That shit was crazy.

[Fat Joe]

And you went to the. They had the jams. Was it around the same time as the Bronx? The Jams in Mount Vernon. They had to have jams too, right? Right.

[Pete Rock]

Yes. Graham School Park, Memorial Field. And then there was a 70s concert with the Jackson 5 came out, bro.

[Fat Joe]

That's what he said. He went.

[Jadakiss]

No, no, he went to the one I caught. Run dmc. Fat Boys in them rapping. Duke.

[Fat Joe]

Michael Jackson.

[Jadakiss]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Pete Rock]

I mean, oil field did a 80s where Run DMC performed.

[Fat Joe]

Somebody told me they went to that Michael Jackson.

[Pete Rock]

My younger brother is dancing with Run dmc. You know what I'm saying?

[Jadakiss]

Shout out.

[Pete Rock]

Yes, sir.

[Fat Joe]

What was. Cause we about to go. But what was the first song that you would hear all the time, Walking into the jams when you was a kid?

[Pete Rock]

Get up and Dance.

[Fat Joe]

You talking about original? Not even.

[Pete Rock]

That's the party.

[Fat Joe]

Grandmaster Flash.

[Pete Rock]

Yeah, that's the party joint. Like, that's the joint.

[Fat Joe]

That's.

[Jadakiss]

Whoever had turntables. Put the speaker in the window. Cut the hell out of that. You hearing it for ALF and Apache. Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Well, I'm gonna tell you the truth. Patsy's one. And I'm gonna tell you the truth.

[Jadakiss]

Big beat.

[Fat Joe]

Good Times.

[Jadakiss]

Oh, my God. That was it.

[Fat Joe]

Good Times.

[Jadakiss]

Good times. That one you ran. Okay, it's that one now. Body play. That won right there.

[Pete Rock]

That's it.

[Jadakiss]

You won.

[Fat Joe]

Absolutely correct. Won another one.

[Jadakiss]

They cut the fuck out of one more.

[Fat Joe]

One more to.

[Pete Rock]

Oh, to be real.

[Fat Joe]

To be real.

[Pete Rock]

Yeah, yeah. Dance to the drummer.

[Jadakiss]

Those two was dance.

[Fat Joe]

Dance to the drum. No, that. Dance to the drums.

[Pete Rock]

Drummers beat.

[Fat Joe]

Beat was less dance. Let's dance to the. And then.

[Jadakiss]

And then.

[Fat Joe]

They will always go. Here will men playing, women producing man go work and some go stealing. Everybody got to make a living. And I remember sitting on the project deck, radiator you know, that was hot.

[Jadakiss]

As hell in the way.

[Fat Joe]

One thing the project don't lack is fucking heat, my man. I remember sitting on a radiator listening to a cassette. One man playing, producing man go. And I all of them from the islands, too. That might be the first lyrics I ever analyzed as a kid. Like where I said, what are these women playing with? Women producing men go work and soon go stealing. Everybody got the makeup I'm a kid Homeless Heaven oh, shit.

[Pete Rock]

Yes, sir. That's the ultimate joint right there.

[Fat Joe]

What? Yo, listen. This episode of Joe and Jada was brought to you by 1800 tequila. The finest agave tequila.

[Jadakiss]

The best with anything, honey. I don't want it.

[Fat Joe]

And I don't want to be on another show without my partner drinking 1800 tequila. Because this brings out the best. This ain't that.

[Jadakiss]

That ain't this.

[Fat Joe]

It's crack. Cracking.

[Jadakiss]

Kiss, make some noise for Pete Rock.

[Fat Joe]

Sam.