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Fat Joe
And so like, I'm looking at Cheryl Swoops. I said she got her own face. You don't look like nobody else.
Cheryl Swoopes
We all have our own face.
Fat Joe
Yeah, but you don't look like nobody else.
Jada
Meaning
Fat Joe
we don't get too confused.
Jada
Shout what?
Fat Joe
We don't get too confused with nobody else. You got your own distinctive look. You know, one time I landed in la. Six hour flight.
Jada
Here we go.
Fat Joe
Yo, what up, y'?
Jada
All?
Fat Joe
This Joe Crack the Dawn.
Jada
You know who it is. Your boy Jada. This is the Joe and Jada show. Every show legendary. Every show iconic.
Fat Joe
Iconic.
Jada
And we ain't stopping, okay?
Fat Joe
This is a serious iconic one.
Jada
You heard what I said? Every show legendary. Every show iconic.
Fat Joe
But I can't. I can't lie. Some people are borderline. All right, Big whatever, you know, we help those out. We have an iconic.
Jada
Yeah, we had a few that wasn't legendary or iconic. And we keeping it real. Nah, I can't do it.
Fat Joe
You don't shit on my guests. Don't shit up.
Jada
Don't listen, listen. That's another show. Today's show.
Fat Joe
Who ain't iconic.
Jada
When you think of today's guest. We'll get to the un. Icons on another edition. Today is very iconic.
Fat Joe
Super.
Jada
When you think of today's guest, you think of the first player ever signed in the wnba.
Fat Joe
Clap it up.
Jada
Make some noise for that alone. We didn't even start yet. Did this. Make some noise for that. You think of four WNBA champions.
Fat Joe
Clap it up for that.
Jada
That shit ain't some more no louder and louder Sarconic, you know what I mean? You think a three time MVP make noise? Three Olympic gold medals make noise. NCAA title, make noise.
Fat Joe
Texas.
Jada
Texas FEMA World cup gold. Make. No. She collect the hardware like it was a hobby. That's what she does.
Fat Joe
Talking that shit.
Jada
You know what I mean? You think of the first woman that
Cheryl Swoopes
night gave a signature sneaker.
Fat Joe
First signature sneaker.
Jada
Basketball gave her a signature shoe before they even knew women basketball shoes could sell. Make noise. Want to keep going? Let's keep going. You think of a woman who stands on her truth even when it costs something. You know what I mean? To do so Nate Smith, hall of Fame, 2016 Women's Basketball hall of Fame, man. Keep going.
Fat Joe
You know the Rock and Roll hall of Fame just jerked. New edition. They should have been nominated different.
Jada
A 1996 Olympic team is being inducted into the Naismith hall of Fame this year. Make noise. I mean, one of the top 15 WNBA players of all time. Did you hear me?
Fat Joe
All time.
Jada
Make noise.
Fat Joe
Let me hear that one again.
Jada
One of the top 15.
Fat Joe
They shrugged her. Now she's down. She's more towards the higher. Top five. Dead or alive.
Jada
Make noise.
Fat Joe
They jerked you. They jerked you.
Jada
Everything you see in the WNBA right now, she helped lay that foundation with her own hands. Please welcome the legend, the iconic to everything that we need in this world to make the WNBA as you see it today evolve. Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for Ms. Cheryl Swan.
Cheryl Swoopes
I want to do it. Make noise.
Jada
Now. You want to say something crazy?
Fat Joe
No, I'm just saying she touched the 1800 event. Before we get the toast. She's already off the 1800. You too.
Jada
Shout out to 1800.
Fat Joe
Yo, get me a glass. I'm white, I can't drink them.
Jada
She's celebrating a birthday recently, a belated birthday. Doing this for the draft.
Fat Joe
Over the top, over the top. Let me get the 1800. Over the top. I'm going in. Yo, two time a felon. You know our guy's called two time a felon. He's a two time a felon. Trying to change his life.
Jada
Two time a felon.
Fat Joe
He's a work in progress. I got one more for you too. And then one of the newer members of the Rock family, Ms. Cheryl Swoobs.
Jada
One of the newer members of the Rock family. Make the heart.
Fat Joe
I don't know. I did not know.
Jada
Yeah, 1800, belated birthday. Newest member of the Rock family. And we also toasted to the wnba. The draft was beautiful. Shout out to all the young ladies who's gonna succeed. I mean,
Fat Joe
18 Hondo,
Jada
talk about the draft right quick. Before we get into all of your accomplishments which you have going on. How'd you feel about it? I watched the whole thing. I put myself on another pedestal. Cause a lot of my friends was calling around, they saying, yo, there's no games on. It's da da da. They sad.
Fat Joe
It was a hard one.
Jada
Yeah, you was playing games. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You one of my friends that was on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I enjoyed watching the. The pre draft and I watched the entire draft, the whole thing. And one of my guys, T dar shout out to Dobby. He was there with me. He didn't. I'm telling him, yo, dog, why she go next and this and that? She's from UCLA. She's from St. John, she's from Yukon and she's from south. He like, how you know? I said, dog, you don't watch. You don't watch female. Watch the female. Like, no, I don't. I have. No. But after that, he like, yo, I'm gonna start watching it.
Fat Joe
You made me, so I feel good. Shout out. The girls got paid. The girls got paid. Much better. Yeah, you know, I had a whole like with the lady who owns the nets. It's the Asian lady. I went in for the.
Jada
Josiah's wife.
Fat Joe
Huh?
Jada
Josiah got the Nets and his wife got the livid.
Fat Joe
Well, his wife is a beautiful lady. And I pulled her to the side and we talked for about a good half an hour. And I was like, yo, these girls gotta get paid. She was like, yeah, we paying. The said, no, like, pay.
Jada
Are you telling me you responsive?
Fat Joe
No, no, that would be ready. Yo, that would be Cap. That would be Cap. I'm just telling you, on behalf of
Jada
the young ladies, you put your word in.
Fat Joe
I. Whatever you can. Whatever you can.
Cheryl Swoopes
You know what's good is when cuz for so long, right? Like, the w started in 97. And I was talking to someone earlier, and I said, In 97, when I signed my contract, I actually was off a little bit. I thought it was 375. It was 200,000. 50,000 of it was from the team. And then the 150,000 was from the marketing and stuff I did for the league.
Fat Joe
But it was. And then most WNBA players gotta go abroad. They gotta go. By the way, J. Cole quit after one game, by the way. No, no, no. You gotta be with me, Joe. You gotta be with me. Because he ain't a real Hooper. Nah. And the man thought he could go over there. He donated the whole shit, they said, by me. He donated. He got no points, no nothing. No assist, no points.
Cheryl Swoopes
They said he had visa issues.
Fat Joe
Out of here, bro. Like, yo, and by the way, I' tell my audience he play. He played with the Chinese monkeys.
Jada
Okay?
Fat Joe
Yeah, yo, listen. Listen to me. You know, these real actors, they get mad when rappers try to act and shit. Yes, you should be upset because this guy is very famous. He sells out stadiums. He's one of the greatest rappers of all time. And he think it's a game. So he went out there to play like, yo, I'm J. Cole. He donut shit. Everybody came at me, by the way, I love J. Cole.
Jada
No, you don't.
Fat Joe
Yes, I do. Yes, I do. I'm telling you right now, by the way, I love J. Cole. Just because I speak truth, why you want me to kiss everybody's ass up here? I gotta have an opinion. I know basketball to the point that I knew that boy was gonna go over there and do nothing. He went over there and did nothing.
Jada
How'd you know that?
Cheryl Swoopes
How?
Fat Joe
Because what happens is it's a real league. It's a real. That shit is like the G League or a little bit better than the G League. So you got retired. Everybody who's the nicest from overseas is over there. Everybody that ain't in. You know AI after he was. AI or T. They there. Stephon Mulberry is busting your man booby cousins. They busting your ass. You coming? J. Cole.
Jada
Get the.
Fat Joe
They ran him out of China.
Jada
I don't understand.
Fat Joe
J. Cole. Come to the show. Discuss. Let's just discuss, man. Let's.
Cheryl Swoopes
It's a real league. It's a real thing. Like if you're not a. But if you not. But why did he want to play three?
Fat Joe
So he could donut for three. Y' all get outta here.
Cheryl Swoopes
So. But he got in the country. And his visa was good enough for him to come.
Fat Joe
It's a lie.
Jada
It's a lie.
Fat Joe
He stunk up the place. The man didn't want. He didn't want three in a row.
Jada
Something happened. Get out of here. That's what they. That's what.
Fat Joe
Get out of here.
Jada
But in his defense, he only played one game.
Fat Joe
He had two. Three pointers. That he was wide open. I watched him in that.
Jada
He have a bad game.
Fat Joe
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Jada
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Fat Joe
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Jada
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Fat Joe
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Jada
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Fat Joe
You know, this Is the time. You want to know why right now, rappers have no more juice in the culture. This is the only stuff. Because the streamers, the streamers. And you know what the streamers these young boys are doing now? They winning streaming. You know why? Because they show they flaws and they show what's up and they show when they win. You got a streamer, he idolizes a rat. He comes, puts him on a streaming. You got other streamers. You got one guy who was on Instagram.
Cheryl Swoopes
It's okay.
Fat Joe
You see the guy, the guy looked like Dwight Howard, who was the guy that was racing cars and animals.
Cheryl Swoopes
He.
Fat Joe
But he raced against the streamer. The guy said, this the real. This ain't Instagram. Chopped up edit. He beat him three times in a row. So the point is, you can't do this. Master P got away with an ADA coming up in there. They picking for him. They giving them. You can't do that. J. Cole went over there and we saw true, what really was going on. And they left him on donut.
Jada
Master P up here too.
Fat Joe
Master B came to the rucker and they scored one point. I watched him with my own eyes.
Jada
Scored double digits.
Fat Joe
I'm not talking on shit. I don't know. I watched her hoop. I watched J. Cole when he was playing in Africa. I was up at 4 in the morning watching that bullshit.
Jada
He was too.
Fat Joe
I knew he was. Anyway, J. Cole, we love you.
Jada
I don't know what he did to you.
Fat Joe
He ain't doing.
Jada
I don't know what he did to
Fat Joe
you, but he's always called you. I love J. Cole. I told you. I love J. Cole, but I gotta speak the truth. Y' all people don't want me to speak the truth up here.
Jada
I can't sit up here, lie right. Get off of that. Let's talk about.
Cheryl Swoopes
Okay, but the one game he played in. What? What did he do?
Fat Joe
Zero.
Jada
Everything he missed, he missed.
Fat Joe
He hit the number on the top, 24.
Jada
He had a wide open three, 16 hour flight.
Fat Joe
You're a rapper?
Jada
You never.
Fat Joe
No, no. This guy wants to feature. This guy wants a feature.
Jada
I don't want anything.
Fat Joe
Oh, no.
Jada
I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt. It's one game. If he played it half a season, a quarter of season.
Fat Joe
Sent that boy right.
Jada
How you know?
Fat Joe
Next.
Jada
Waved him in one game.
Fat Joe
They said, yo, you know what, man? You stunk up the play, man. You gotta go back.
Cheryl Swoopes
Waved him after one game.
Fat Joe
One game. When I say I'm arguing with TMac, Tracy McGrady sitting. Where you sitting at? Yo, he's good for 12. He's this. I said, get the.
Jada
Tracy McGrady said he good for eight.
Fat Joe
See, you said he's good for 12.
Jada
I didn't say anything.
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Fat Joe
I say he was good for zero. I told you it was not going to happen. You gave him four.
Cheryl Swoopes
Oh, my gosh.
Fat Joe
I gave them four. With the wide open? Yeah. When you triple team the guy, he's wide open under the bay. I gave him four.
Jada
True.
Fat Joe
Yeah, you're right. Yo, double felon. I. Y' all don't want no truth. Y' all don't want no truth. He throw the sad.
Jada
He called everybody.
Fat Joe
No. I'mma just kiss everybody ass. I'mma just lie.
Jada
Y. Listen, all right. If you was.
Fat Joe
You, my brother, by the way, let me say talk.
Jada
If you was to get it somehow, a 10 day contract on a professional sophomore team, in the first game, you
Fat Joe
pitch and put your shit on.
Cheryl Swoopes
Four in row.
Jada
Consecutive.
Fat Joe
I still hold. He only pitched one game. They did that. Yankee Stadium. CeCe Sabathia got the charity. He went on ESPN and told him I'm the legendary pitcher of the South Bronx. Them hit like five home runs off of me back to back.
Jada
See what I'm saying?
Fat Joe
They denounced me in two minutes. They're like, yo, Joey, get the fuck up. Thank you. You know how they come out? They were like, okay, buddy, let's go. Rich playing with. Trying to fight the whole. He was just like, he's a bum. He's dragged. Rich want to fight the whole crowd?
Cheryl Swoopes
I see.
Fat Joe
Yo, Rich, calm down. Saturday, chill. I retired officially.
Jada
Same thing.
Fat Joe
He needs to retire officially.
Jada
He did.
Fat Joe
No, no. Like forever. Don't do it. Don't, don't. J. Cole. Don't come out.
Jada
Don't do it. Let's talk about your Nike deal.
Fat Joe
No, no. I want to hold up one thing because. Because Cheryl Swoopes.
Cheryl Swoopes
Oh, my gosh. That's funny.
Fat Joe
When you played them three pointers was unconscious. Like, I watched you shoot from anywhere. And just. What was it? The same thing. They t. Mac took the basket, felt this big because I watched you pull up and you were just shooting that shit. Like, how you know it was going in.
Cheryl Swoopes
I think for me, just knowing the work I put in, that was the hard part. The easy part was the actual games because I knew I was prepared for it. Ooh.
Fat Joe
Okay. You know, very Beyonce and JLo like, right these. Can I explain?
Cheryl Swoopes
Why are you making that face like
Fat Joe
Beyonce and JLO will practice for a show, say they have a show. In May, they be going for a month straight where they don't give a fuck about bomb land or something. They got that fucking. They ain't never fucking up if they practice so much. That's the two artists that I know of that practice more than anybody when they got like, so J, Beyonce had a whole documentary based on Coachella. She was practicing for, like, two months. I know my daughter watching this shit all day in the house. I'm like, she's like, what? She practicing two months for one show? So you saying, yo, I practiced so much that I just knew. I'm gonna tell you something else. That sounds weird, but you had a signature face, okay? Yeah, like Sheryl Swoopes. You can't get her confused with nobody else. You got a distinctive look, right? And so, like, I'm looking at Sheryl Swoopes. I said, she got her own face. You don't look like nobody else.
Cheryl Swoopes
We all have our own face.
Fat Joe
Yeah, but you don't look like nobody else. Meaning Shell Swoosh, Charles Swoops. We don't get you confused. We don't get you confused with nobody else. You got your own distinctive look. You know, one time I landed in la.
Jada
Six hour flight, there we go.
Fat Joe
And I went in the gas station, and somebody ran and was like, fat Joe, I swear to God. I came off the plane tired, wiping my eyes, went in the gas station. Somebody parked the car and ran in. And they could only see the back of my head. So I'm like, can I get a picture? I said, how'd you see me? I saw the back of your head while I was pumping gas. I knew it was you. Meaning that you have a distinctive look. Like, I won't miss you nowhere. I'll be like, yo, that's Sheryl Swoop.
Jada
You got a distinctive head. That's what you just.
Cheryl Swoopes
I don't know if I've ever heard that before.
Fat Joe
Huh?
Cheryl Swoopes
I don't.
Fat Joe
I don't know. I'm telling you, I know what I'm talking about. You asked.
Jada
Sure.
Cheryl Swoopes
Okay.
Fat Joe
It was no game I ever looked at. And you was playing. I felt like that was a shrubs. Yeah, that's how I know.
Jada
When you see it.
Fat Joe
She got her own look. And that's a good thing. Nowadays you don't know who's what, who's who. They all look the same.
Jada
The good thing.
Fat Joe
All the basketball players, man. Basketball players, they all look the same.
Jada
No, they don't.
Fat Joe
Since when? They all look the same. You could get confused. Yeah, you could get confused with LeBron and Nate Robinson not difference. Satsuan. Satsuan. Satsuan from the Knicks. Sochan and Kelly Oubre might look the same. Like all them dudes look the same. I don't know. Anyway, maybe I'm off the subject, man. Fuck it.
Jada
Not all light skinned two time felon. What kind of coffee?
Fat Joe
Not all light skin, but all these guys look the same. Okay, I'll leave it at that.
Cheryl Swoopes
Are you saying like their facial features or their games?
Fat Joe
No, no, their games are different. What I'm saying is their facial feature guys got the same tattoo of Jesus on their cheek.
Cheryl Swoopes
Stop.
Fat Joe
You know, they all got the same.
Jada
Stop that.
Fat Joe
You guys all look like each other, bro, I'm telling you.
Jada
Back to the signature shoe. How was it back then having your own signature shoe? How's your relationship with Nike still?
Cheryl Swoopes
I have a great relationship with Nike. You know, people always talk about, like goals and dreams and things that they wanted to do growing up. That wasn't one I had on my list. Like I had a list of, here's what I want to do in life, right? I want to play in the Olympics. I want to meet Michael Jordan. All those things I never wrote down. I want to someday have my own shoe. Because back then that just wasn't something that we thought about. And there was no brand, no company that was giving a woman her own signature shoe. And you said it early, especially not knowing if the shoe would sell. And you know, people aren't really. So they said, people aren't really into women's basketball. And I just, I remember going to Nike and sitting down and having a conversation and the question was, what do you look for in a basketball shoe? Because I wore men's shoes, I played in men's shoes. There were no women's shoes. And I gave them this whole rundown of this is what's important to me in a basketball shoe. And the end of that conversation was, well, we're going to design a women's basketball shoe. And that excited me because I was like, finally, we'll have a shoot. And then they said, and we're gonna name it after you. And I heard it, but I didn't hear it. So there was no reaction. And then they said, we're gonna call it the Nike Air Swoops. And I cried and I cried. Wow. So just for a very short time, I was like, wow, like, this is really happening to me. But then it became bigger. It was more about doors opening and opportunities for all these other young girls who will come up after me that can now have that dream and know that that dream can become a reality.
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Fat Joe
Now, let me, let me ask you a question. Was it, did they pay you more for your sneaker than what you was getting paid for the league at the time or was it more like a look?
Cheryl Swoopes
Well, you know, I had a Nike contract, but even, even my Nike contract back in the day wasn't like, I mean it wasn't, it wasn't a Asia Wilson Clark 28 million.
Fat Joe
I had a number one song. I was getting 500 dol. They played me Legend.
Cheryl Swoopes
But the thing is, honestly, I didn't even like you be giving me $100,000. And I was like, oh, that's A lot of money. That was a lot of money for me, like, the way I grew up, where I was from. But that wasn't the thing that was important. What was important to me was, like, this shit is really happening.
Fat Joe
Greatness.
Cheryl Swoopes
Like, somebody is thinking outside of the box.
Fat Joe
From. Yeah, I know. I'm let. I'm gonna let you talk, but I wanna finish what I'm saying.
Jada
Let her finish.
Fat Joe
Right. Go ahead. Okay.
Jada
Go ahead.
Cheryl Swoopes
Okay, okay. No, I forgot what I was saying. Go ahead.
Jada
Oh.
Fat Joe
Oh, I'm sorry about that.
Cheryl Swoopes
I forgot.
Jada
1800.
Fat Joe
I wanted to say. 1800. Well, I wanted to get back at that Brown. Yeah, girl. Y' all, listen. You got.
Cheryl Swoopes
That's not brown.
Fat Joe
Now. What is it? Ten beige.
Cheryl Swoopes
It's clear.
Jada
Clear.
Fat Joe
Growing up, like, growing up. You grew up in Texas. Correct. And practicing and every. And then you finally get to college and you become a superstar. That's what I want to allude to. Like, did you ever, ever have an idea that you was gonna make it to that level? Like, did you ever look back in time, like, looked at the court and say, yo, I remember when I was a kid and I could never believe I would be under these bright lights, I think.
Cheryl Swoopes
So, like, I grew up in a very small town, and I played ball with my brothers and my brother's friends. But, like, I knew there was something special about my talent and my ability on the basketball court. There was nothing else I wanted to do. It was me, a basketball. If that was playing with guys, not playing with guys on the court by myself. I had a goal and a dream of, I'm going to change my mom's life. And I knew the only way to do that was to get an academic scholarship and go to college, get an athletic scholarship. And I just. I never allowed failure to. Like, it wasn't an option. I never allowed, like, negative thoughts, any of those things to enter my mind of, what if this doesn't work out? What if wasn't an option for me, this was. Was it?
Fat Joe
You know, I think. Because, you know, sometimes I get to thinking, you know, I'm still in the same neighborhood. I live in a different place, but my car drives around the same neighborhood I grew up in almost every day. So I think about going with my mother to welfare. Hard times, free cheese. Like, I just can't escape it. Cause, you know, unlike a lot of other places, when you really get to know New York, it's like one giant ghetto. So it's like, you know, like, wherever you go, you remember, you know, oh, this way. I Used to come with my mother and father, Beefsteak Charlie. This way, I. You know. So for me, like, it's insane for me to just understand, like, the life we're living now.
Cheryl Swoopes
It's like, no doubt.
Fat Joe
It just don't make sense. Like, I'd just be like, wow, this is crazy.
Cheryl Swoopes
Well, but I also think this. So when I go back home, where I grew up, I think it's good for them to be able to see people like yourself and Jada and myself, so they can look at us and say, if they did it, we can do it. I was the same. My mom was on welfare. We had the free cheese. My mom worked the cafeteria. She cleaned houses. Days where we come home, the lights weren't on. Like, I had all of those things. And I think at any point we could allow that to define us and have an excuse of saying, well, this is all I know, or this is all I've seen, so this is what my life is going to be. But I think we chose differently. Right? But I don't think it's a bad thing to be in your neighborhood, to go back to your neighborhood, but to be able to show all of the people in your neighborhood, this is where I came from. But that doesn't mean this is who you have to be as you get older.
Fat Joe
I love that.
Jada
I love that moment. That's official.
Cheryl Swoopes
Life is hard, though.
Jada
Definitely.
Cheryl Swoopes
Life is hard.
Fat Joe
It never gets easy, ever.
Cheryl Swoopes
But I have moments where I have two older brothers and a younger brother. I don't have any sisters, but there are times, anytime I get together with my brothers and we sit and we having drinks or we're having a nice dinner. And some people may look at this or hear this and be like, what? But it means something to me to be able to sit down. Oh, God, I'm gonna cry. But to sit down and have a nice thousand dollar meal with my brothers feels good.
Jada
Yeah.
Cheryl Swoopes
You know, and to say, growing up the way we did, I don't think any of us ever thought that would be possible, you know? So to be able to do that now and, like, not think twice about means something. Yeah, absolutely.
Jada
It's a blessing.
Fat Joe
It's big time.
Cheryl Swoopes
And so I'm probably the only person that sat on this couch and cried with y'.
Jada
All.
Fat Joe
No, no. I might have cried up.
Cheryl Swoopes
No, I'm not gonna cry.
Fat Joe
No, no. But I like that, though, because it's showing your truth. And that's where I was trying to get to. Because for no disrespect, we from the Big city. And I'm looking at you with all that excellence. I'm like, she from a little town of Texas.
Jada
Like, what was that?
Fat Joe
Brownfield Highway? I was just in Houston the other day. I be thinking about. We talking about J. Cole. J. Cole from Fayetteville, North Carolina. That's this little, little, little, little town. He does stadiums to talk of everything. That's a big deal. At least us, we saw Grandmaster Flash.
Cheryl Swoopes
Yeah.
Fat Joe
Or you seen Fat Joe on Fordham. You just, I mean, to come from like the littlest sound. Ass.
Jada
I seen Fat Joe and Baby smile.
Fat Joe
He's like four years younger than me, so he likes to, you know, rub that in.
Jada
Four is a lot when you. Back in the day.
Fat Joe
Yeah, yeah, back in the day.
Cheryl Swoopes
Yeah.
Jada
Four is a lot when you start. It would come up.
Fat Joe
I was telling somebody on Easter, we were sitting around and they were like, yo, but how did you get bullied?
Jada
Right?
Fat Joe
When I was younger, I used to get beat up every day. And I was like, yo, I was like 12, 13, and my brother was already like 18. So that little six year. He can't come beat up 12 year olds and 13 year olds. He's a grown man already. He's already 18. So that age difference you talking about, it really is the difference. Like, they were like, why you ain't call your brother? I said, my brother can't come beat up these kids. These kids, 12, 13, 14. He 18. I couldn't even get my brothers. They was too big. That's crazy.
Jada
Damn, that don't matter. They coming outside.
Cheryl Swoopes
Facts. Yeah, facts.
Jada
Any age you gotta get your brother.
Fat Joe
I used to see mothers come in there and start beating the teachers up the dog. You ever see that when they come in with the Vaseline on their face? Be like, Ms. Wickens, you bring your ass outside. Yeah, we gonna see if my son. Oh, I'm busting your ass. Nah, I've seen the most rational.
Cheryl Swoopes
He said Vaseline on the face.
Fat Joe
Vaseline on the face. Come outside, bitch. I bust your ass.
Jada
That's a little.
Cheryl Swoopes
That's true, though.
Jada
How does it feel to win four championships back in a row?
Fat Joe
Four in a row.
Jada
How. That's like. Yeah, how did, how did it feel? Did it start feeling like slaughter at the 3 and 2?
Fat Joe
Like, I felt like this AC in the back of my neck is Florida right now.
Jada
We got it cool.
Fat Joe
I got to make my, like, the fall cool. Warm it up. Nah, nah, nah, nah. We need you.
Cheryl Swoopes
Nice. I got a fan.
Fat Joe
Toasty.
Jada
Was the feeling the same after the first one?
Fat Joe
Oh, yeah.
Cheryl Swoopes
Yeah, yeah.
Jada
They all feel.
Cheryl Swoopes
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, I think once you get a taste of winning, then you want more and more and more. And I do think, in a way, I think that's what's a little bit different about, like, this generation right now that's playing. You have some that are hungry, like, they got that dog. They want to win, and they want to keep winning. But for us back then with the comments, it was like we weren't going to lose, you know? And when you have. You have players. Myself and Coop and Tina and Kim Perad and Wanda Guyton and Jeanette Arcane from Brazil, by the way, who's one of the best that's ever played the game. When you see the work ethic that we brought. Can y' all turn this air now?
Fat Joe
I need a pool shiesty mask. Cause my boy is trying to get over here.
Jada
This shit came.
Cheryl Swoopes
It's so good to me, though.
Jada
I'm enjoying it, but I need to put.
Fat Joe
Daddy, you gotta pull Shisty with you. Cut this on the back of my neck. Legendary.
Cheryl Swoopes
Wait a minute.
Fat Joe
I can't even bubble gooses right now.
Cheryl Swoopes
I can't finish answering because y' all warming up.
Fat Joe
Because my boy is like, 1800. How proud of you, Coach. Dawn stand.
Cheryl Swoopes
Oh, that's my girl.
Fat Joe
Listen, I love Dawn.
Jada
Stanley.
Cheryl Swoopes
Oh, you said Stanley. I didn't hear Stanley. I just heard Dawn.
Jada
You don't get nobody's name.
Cheryl Swoopes
Staley, take the N out.
Fat Joe
Yeah, I know. She throw that shit on facts. She be fly the on that sideline. She one thing she gonna do.
Jada
Throw that shit.
Fat Joe
Throw that shit on, like, every game. She ain't playing with him.
Cheryl Swoopes
Yeah, that's my girl. I love me some don. Since you asked me that question. Did you watch the final Four?
Fat Joe
Yeah, I did. Yes, I did.
Jada
Who was it?
Cheryl Swoopes
Did you?
Fat Joe
No, I did.
Jada
Was the final four girls.
Fat Joe
What were the guys?
Jada
If I think.
Cheryl Swoopes
No, no, no, no, no. I'm talking about the girls.
Fat Joe
Yeah, I watched the girls. Connecticut and all that.
Cheryl Swoopes
Did you watch the Connecticut, South Carolina guys?
Fat Joe
Yes.
Cheryl Swoopes
Did you watch to the end?
Fat Joe
Yes. When the man didn't want to give up.
Cheryl Swoopes
What'd you think about that, Gino?
Fat Joe
Yeah, Gino, you talking to the wrong guy. Cause they'll throw us off of Netflix. I got a different. You know, my shit. I be trying to tell these guys I'm radical. Like, y'. All. I read through the lines like a. Like, what was that all that bothered me today? I went to a Hermes cell. They. They checked my Social Security number. They damn near Looked at my ass and asked me what the I was walking in there with.
Cheryl Swoopes
I got one, like.
Fat Joe
And you know who the.
Cheryl Swoopes
I got one. I got one. I got one.
Fat Joe
Yeah, you got one. But let me tell you something. I'm gonna tell you one thing. I'm going to tell you one thing. All them people knew I'm rich as fuck.
Jada
Come on.
Fat Joe
They still went with me.
Cheryl Swoopes
No, for real. Talk about it.
Fat Joe
Nah, nah. Like, don't get it fucked up. They know who the fuck I am. They know my shit. They know I'm holding. They know what's up.
Jada
Yeah, don't get it fucked up.
Cheryl Swoopes
Let's talk about it.
Fat Joe
Come on. Let's hear about this Social Security cue card. This. That here's a dis weight strike. Excuse me, sir. Let us email the. This, this, that they didn't do all that. Yes, all that shit. That bothers me, right? Because I believe in all of us are one. Right? I know this country.
Jada
That ain't happening. I don't care how much you believe.
Fat Joe
That's how I believe.
Cheryl Swoopes
True.
Jada
So I believe, too.
Fat Joe
But no matter what the history of our future, no matter what the history of this country is, I never forget. But I like to take people at face value. And when the guy told me, get on the prison, take the prisoner over,
Jada
you didn't slip like that for that.
Fat Joe
No, but I know it's the same thing. I gotta tolerate it. But it was hard.
Jada
I walked in the airport, the whole
Fat Joe
man said, put him in the prisoner line. Like there's a line, apparently.
Jada
What about you?
Fat Joe
Yeah. Yes.
Jada
We was at the NASCAR with MJ Flex.
Fat Joe
How about that?
Jada
Come on. And when we going home? He got his security and his partner's managing with him. And one of his two Clutch Clan TSA guys is saying, nah, the prisoner entrance is over. You prisoner that way. And he didn't get that.
Fat Joe
I should have called Ben Crump. God damn it.
Jada
We could have had a whole 47.
Cheryl Swoopes
Okay, wait.
Fat Joe
We could have had some shit.
Cheryl Swoopes
No, wait. Did that really happen?
Fat Joe
Yes.
Jada
And he didn't get mad as Hermes
Fat Joe
store shout out, hermes, I love you guys.
Cheryl Swoopes
No, but hold on. Because I want to come back in
Fat Joe
the process is a bit too much for me for this sale, but I do love you guys at Hermes.
Cheryl Swoopes
So what did you do? I ain't talking about our man.
Fat Joe
Oh, they ran. It was a lady there named Tanisha. Sister ran over so fast. She heard that. She said, we not like that. That's just him.
Jada
That was the.
Fat Joe
She knew I'm the mother. What's your man, Jimmy?
Cheryl Swoopes
What?
Fat Joe
Was my man from Wrestling the Mouth of the South, Jimmy Heart. She knew that. Got a podcast he ran over. Sis. Don't talk on the podcast, please. When I like this guy, don't go there. It's Tanisha. I said no Tanisha. I'm gonna make sure you out the smoke. But this guy right here, you know, I seen a picture of him. Cause we took a picture of him the other day. I'm looking through my phone, the airplane, you know. Cause I look at my phone when
Jada
the lawsuit's still available.
Fat Joe
Nah, I ain't fucking with that. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, I know about it.
Jada
I know it's just transferring lawsuits.
Fat Joe
How about let me give you a nice one.
Cheryl Swoopes
It is.
Fat Joe
But I do want to know.
Cheryl Swoopes
You said that you like it.
Jada
Oh, let her start. Let her try. I don't like her assessment. Please.
Fat Joe
I don't like it. Yeah, you tell me what you thought about that when he didn't respect.
Jada
That was the same thing, Coach Gino.
Cheryl Swoopes
Oh, I let my feelings be known.
Fat Joe
All right. But I want to know.
Cheryl Swoopes
But let me. But you ain't answered my question yet.
Fat Joe
Uh huh. I feel horrible.
Cheryl Swoopes
But you didn't like it. What did you not like about it?
Fat Joe
You know what he made me feel like? He made me feel like, you know, we black and brown going to prison in line. I couldn't have just been a normal person who purchased the ticket. That's what he did to me. Then he doubled down on his shit enough where everybody and their mother ran over and was like, yo, I'm sorry about what? Holy shit. Like, I went on a plane. They opened the door back up.
Jada
I would have fired immediately. I would have said, I can't fly, Elizabeth. Uh huh. I would have took it to the max, all of that. I would have took it there.
Fat Joe
Listen, I'm good with letting somebody, some co worker who see this show come up to the band and be like, you know the guy. Look, it's the guy who's obviously one of the guys. Cause he was probably like a Archie Bunker. He do that shit every day. Yeah. You know, when you got that in you, you got that in you. You know what I'm saying? So you know, so what you thought about him not dapping up the coach?
Cheryl Swoopes
Well, first of all, I think the whole story of she didn't shake my hand before the game, all that. But she did. She did. But here's my question.
Jada
Maddie got his ass beat.
Cheryl Swoopes
That is true. But here's my Question. So what if she didn't shake your. It's a fuck. It's a handshake. It's a handshake. If you don't want to shake my hand, I'm cool with it. I'm a beat your ass and we'll keep it moving. Yes, but you got. You said you got that worked up over a handshake when at the end of the day, it was all about you got beat. But the part that really bothers me, though, is as a black person, in particular a black woman, we're always expected to take the higher road. We're always expected to just be like, oh, well, it's okay. We'll sweep it under the rug.
Fat Joe
Because if I had I went crazy in the airport, they would have made me the Animal on the 12 o' clock news. They would have been like, rapper going crazy in the airport. This. That. They would have did that to her.
Cheryl Swoopes
Well, yeah, but my point is this. At some point, like, when do we say, like, enough is enough, though? It's just a question of conversation. Because I know dawn came out and, you know, she said, the season's over. It's time to turn the page. And I respect dawn for that. Like, I am ride or die. I'm always gonna hold it down for Dawn. But my thing is, like, I'm not ready to turn the page. I don't have to turn the page, but. Because that's what she does, I get all of that. I just. We're always making excuses for. Oh, well, Gino probably did this because.
Fat Joe
Ignorance.
Cheryl Swoopes
Yeah. And I just. I thought it was so disrespectful. But in that moment, you took away one of the most special parts of a college athlete's career, and that's playing in the final four and they had just beaten an undefeated team. Like, let those young ladies enjoy that moment and stop making it about you, because it wasn't about you. It was about. Dawn had a better game plan. Right. And she out coached you in that game. And I'm not gonna sit up here and say, Geno's not a good coach. He's one of the best that's ever coached our game. But that moment alone, to me really put a stain on his coaching career.
Fat Joe
Oh, no, for sure. Fact, it was very ugly. And sometimes you can't apologize enough. Sometimes you already damn you on it like that.
Cheryl Swoopes
Well, and my thing is, I would much rather you not even apologize based off of. That, though. But based off of that initial apology that you put out there where you didn't even call her name and say, I apologize to Dawn. Like, if that's the apology that you're putting out there, I don't want that.
Fat Joe
Yeah, you know, we've been through some shit, but let me tell you something. Them 51 points you scored in that game, man, you had them dizzy. That game, man. What game? I seen the game. I'm looking at the Sheryl Swoop's highlight. He's a game. You score 51, right? Am I correct or I'm.
Cheryl Swoopes
Well, I don't know what game you're talking about.
Fat Joe
How many? 51. What?
Cheryl Swoopes
It was 53, though.
Jada
It was three.
Fat Joe
53. And that's what I mean. You just shooting unconscious, bro. Like, that shit was crazy. I mean, to me, you know, to have a game like that. But, you know, this is what I was saying the other day. I don't want people to kill me. You want me on the podcast, you don't want me in the podcast. You want me to talk, not to talk. This Sheryl Swoopes with 53 is very, very understandable. Bam. Bam out the bio.
Cheryl Swoopes
Don't do that, don't do that, don't do that, don't do that, don't do that.
Jada
Yo, Bam. I'm sorry, Bam. I don't.
Fat Joe
Bam.
Cheryl Swoopes
You know, I got mad love.
Fat Joe
You did not know the day before. Let me ask you a question, Cheryl. We being honest, right? The day before he scored 83, was it in your.
Jada
Your.
Fat Joe
What they call that board? Was it in there, what they call that? Was it in your bingo card that Bam, bam modifier was gonna score 83 the next day? No, but it wasn't on my bingo
Cheryl Swoopes
card that I wasn't gonna score 53 either.
Fat Joe
Yeah, but I knew you. But. But you can, and you're a superstar. Four time champion. Olympic. This, this, this, this. Bam. Bam out the bio. Yeah, he earned it out the bio.
Jada
Whoa.
Fat Joe
I said it the other day. People got upset with me because I'm like, it wasn't in my bingo card. Now, the top five. Who's on that top five list. Kobe, Willis, Reed, Kareem Abdul, Jabbar. This. These are all swirl swoops. These are names that you expect to score 53 and be on the top of the list disappointed in you. I got love for Bam.
Jada
He just said he's not capable of.
Fat Joe
No, he did.
Jada
Being the second highest scorer in NBA.
Fat Joe
Let me tell you. And let me tell you what I did. Just to let you know, after I said that shit, I went back and watched that whole Game again. I watched it originally, the last. The fourth quarter. I went back, he came, he was pulling. He came up. I think it's first shot.
Cheryl Swoopes
Game was I think in the middle. I forgot who were they playing?
Fat Joe
You know, they might have had J. Cole on that team. You agree?
Cheryl Swoopes
I do, yeah.
Jada
I don't know what this guy's doing.
Fat Joe
83 is 83.
Cheryl Swoopes
That's hard.
Fat Joe
That's hard to do what this teams can't score 83. I'm just saying maybe a little more defense or something perhaps.
Cheryl Swoopes
Well, that's not his fault.
Fat Joe
No, it's not.
Cheryl Swoopes
That's just like I get upset when people talk about all of Angel Reese's offensive rebounds. Well, box her ass out.
Fat Joe
I love it.
Cheryl Swoopes
If you don't want her to rebound, box her out. Angel is doing exactly what she's supposed to do. I'm going to go rebound because I know y' all can't stop it.
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Fat Joe
It's Angel. Aja is Angel.
Cheryl Swoopes
What?
Fat Joe
Aja.
Cheryl Swoopes
Oh, no. Asia.
Jada
Asia.
Fat Joe
That's a boyfriend. Nobody listen.
Cheryl Swoopes
Nobody. Nobody in the league is Asian.
Jada
Asia is Asia.
Cheryl Swoopes
Asia is Asia. Asia is her. She's a prop for real.
Fat Joe
Sheryl Swoopes. What's up? Top five WNBA players of all time.
Cheryl Swoopes
Top five WNBA players of all time
Jada
favorites because you over there. So you ain't.
Cheryl Swoopes
Am I putting myself in or no?
Jada
No.
Cheryl Swoopes
Okay. I'm not putting myself in.
Jada
You already on the man.
Fat Joe
We don't do that. We top five.
Cheryl Swoopes
I'm putting myself in or no.
Fat Joe
Oh, you already.
Jada
You already grandfathered in.
Fat Joe
Fucking pull yourself. Fucking. She want to put.
Cheryl Swoopes
Okay. Lisa Leslie, Cynthia Cooper, Diana Taurasi, Tina Thompson.
Jada
One more.
Cheryl Swoopes
I know I hear somebody saying Maya. I love Maya. I'll tell you why. I'm not putting her there.
Jada
Oh, we love that 1800s.
Fat Joe
Well, top five.
Cheryl Swoopes
Lauren Jackson.
Fat Joe
Lauren Jackson.
Cheryl Swoopes
You don't even know who that is.
Fat Joe
I'm not familiar with when I was going to the wnb. I've been going to the WNBA since day one. I was the only guy in the audience they Looking at me like I'm crazy.
Cheryl Swoopes
Yeah, yeah. Cut that shit out.
Fat Joe
Stop that. You can throw the flag. You ain't got a hippie in the face.
Cheryl Swoopes
I ain't hit you. I did not hit you in the face.
Jada
Find the footage when he was the only person at the wnba.
Fat Joe
I'm telling you. I'm telling you. There was a time when I was going to the WNBA where men were scarce in there. That sounds very scary.
Cheryl Swoopes
That's different.
Fat Joe
Yo, thank you for supporting our sport. It was so. It wasn't like it. No, no. But back then it was.
Cheryl Swoopes
They do. Yes, they do.
Fat Joe
Back then was Witherspoon, Sue Bird, what's my girl? Becky Hammond. They was all get busy out there. Like, I've been a WNBA fan. I did.
Jada
You don't got one of these. Google the pics. You got hoodie.
Fat Joe
When did it start? When you were the first WNBA?
Cheryl Swoopes
97.
Fat Joe
Go find a picture of me in 97 in the WNBHC of our life. You take all your flags back.
Cheryl Swoopes
No, no, but you said. You said you were the only man.
Jada
This why we win in the court of law. What did he say?
Cheryl Swoopes
That he was the only man at WNBA game. I rest my case, your honor.
Fat Joe
Object, object. I'm talking in theory, context.
Cheryl Swoopes
Who was your favorite Liberty player?
Fat Joe
I used to love Witherspoon. I love Witherspoon. I loved. Well, now I love Sabrina.
Jada
I love Sabrina. I love John Quell. I love the other,
Cheryl Swoopes
but. Cause you said back in the day you were the only man. So I'm just asking.
Fat Joe
One of the only.
Cheryl Swoopes
I got spoon.
Jada
Get him, mama.
Fat Joe
What's the name? Becky Hammond. A couple of them. Like. I used to love all Hammond was on the living. Yeah, that's when she early, though, right? Earlier, before coaching.
Jada
Way before we.
Fat Joe
But I would agree with two of your top five. See, if I made my list, you'd be in it. But it's Lisa.
Cheryl Swoopes
You told me I couldn't put myself.
Jada
Lisa Leslie was different in your own list, but you can. Lisa Leslie.
Fat Joe
Was she the first woman to dunk?
Cheryl Swoopes
Mm.
Fat Joe
She was different.
Jada
Definitely.
Fat Joe
Lisa Leslie was different.
Jada
She's definitely in the Rushmore for me.
Cheryl Swoopes
She's on mine too, huh? No, she's on Mount Rushmore.
Fat Joe
She's on your Mount Rushmore? Yeah, she's under for sure. What was it like when you seen her dunk for the first time? Did you see it like in practice or you saw live? You watching a game? Espn. And you seen the dunk? What the hell?
Cheryl Swoopes
Well, I seen her dunk before, like the Olympic team, like in practice and stuff.
Fat Joe
So I knew y' all knew she
Cheryl Swoopes
could dunk, but for me, it was like it's a matter of time before she does it in the game. Yeah, like Lisa. Lisa is really, really like that. You know, when you talk about, like, the WNBA today and the growth of the game, no doubt about it, like, the talent level is there today. But the thing that bothers me is when people tend to forget, like, there have been players that have come through this league, like Alisa Leslie, that was the first to do it. But you know, I'm saying no. The. The sponsorships, the brand deals, the opportunities, like all the eyes, like it wasn't like it is today. But I will say we sold arenas
Fat Joe
out all the time.
Jada
Facts.
Fat Joe
But let me explain something to you, right? When they gave Magic Johnson a million dollars, they put him on the COVID of Time. Now you got a bum making 239 million that he don't even play.
Cheryl Swoopes
Fact.
Fat Joe
There's guys that don't even play, they make 200 something million. And it's crazy. You can't even compare. I had a hit, number one in the country. Flojo. I was getting 500 a show. I was doing three shows on Friday. I was hustling my ass off to make 1500. What are you talking about, brother? Is that 1800 touched the cerebellum in a different way.
Cheryl Swoopes
It touched his.
Fat Joe
What? You know, I'm fried. Cheryl, if nobody is your publicist here, they didn't warn you that I'm fried. I'm fried, huh? Don't mind me.
Jada
How you feel about. How you feel about the. The new expansion teams coming to the door.
Cheryl Swoopes
Oh, I love it. Love it.
Fat Joe
Well, so put that AC back on. Put that AC back on. Cause every time you either you put it on, it's the back of my neck. You Turk it off. She's sweating bullets. Put the AC back on. I'm gonna be a gentleman about this.
Cheryl Swoopes
Cause I was a lady when I seen no.
Fat Joe
Cause that chick was cold as fuck. One second.
Cheryl Swoopes
It felt good to me, though.
Fat Joe
That's all right. Coming back maybe that 18 make it up.
Cheryl Swoopes
Well, you know, so this season we'll have Tarana, Toronto, and Portland, which I'm happy about as far as hell.
Jada
Portland.
Cheryl Swoopes
And then we have T. What year do we get? Philly, Detroit and Cleveland? 29 and 30. So those three.
Fat Joe
Wow.
Cheryl Swoopes
And T. Who do we get next year?
Jada
Houston. Next year, baby.
Cheryl Swoopes
Saying that because Houston comes at the expense of my Connecticut son, which is the team That I work for.
Jada
Oh, Sons gonna. Sons is over. Commons come.
Cheryl Swoopes
Yeah. I ain't saying why.
Fat Joe
So they moving to Houston.
Jada
Take the plays from the south.
Fat Joe
Connecticut ain't. Yeah, Connecticut, you know, that's like the Brooklyn Giants went over there.
Cheryl Swoopes
I do, too. Yeah. I do, too. Cheers.
Fat Joe
Yeah, but they talking about the change going to come. They talking about the fluidity. If Joel Osteen could sell out that stadium every weekend, you guys got a good chance over there with the Commons. Connecticut, they ain't got that type of fluidity out there.
Jada
They losing money at the casino. They didn't lose money. Finish. Did you say.
Cheryl Swoopes
Did you say if Joel Osteen could sell at the church?
Fat Joe
Joel Osteen sells out every weekend in Houston. A stadium every weekend.
Jada
And his wife.
Fat Joe
I was just in Houston, and I wanted to. I swear to God, I almost stood an extra day to go to Joel Osteen. Joel Osteen, my favorite man.
Cheryl Swoopes
Your favorite? Your favorite what?
Jada
Favorite, what favorite?
Fat Joe
Pastor Joel.
Jada
Called him out of revving, bowling, everything.
Fat Joe
You know how much trouble Joel Osteen got me out of? You know how many times the guy was going to the parking spot, the guy cut me off, like. And I'm. And I'm like, joel says to chill, baby. God got you. God got a better spot for you. I fucking love Joel Olston. If you look at Joel Osteen's Instagram, I like every picture.
Jada
I love Joel Ostenstin.
Fat Joe
You can't.
Cheryl Swoopes
Cannot.
Jada
I'm telling you, one of the bowling. Every rapping I ever experienced. I'm sorry for this.
Cheryl Swoopes
Oh, my gosh.
Jada
Jake, Creflo, Mace. Everybody got some nerve.
Cheryl Swoopes
Yeah. Wait a minute. Did you put Creflo in it?
Jada
Creflo, everybody.
Fat Joe
Yo, y' all gotta watch that movie. Honk if youf See Jesus.
Cheryl Swoopes
Oh, my God.
Fat Joe
When you see that movie, come back and talk to me.
Jada
No, that was. I want to ask her a serious question. Did your brothers make you tougher? Did they prepare you for real shit?
Fat Joe
Yes, sir. We got you.
Jada
They help you. They help you get ready to be,
Cheryl Swoopes
you know, no doubt.
Jada
No crying in basketball.
Cheryl Swoopes
Yeah. Yeah. My. Yeah. Like, I didn't like my brothers. I love them.
Jada
I mean, they did.
Cheryl Swoopes
Yeah. I didn't like them. Every time they left to go play ball, I was, like, right behind them because my mom didn't want me to play. She was like, oh, that's for boys, and you're gonna get hurt. And I was like, mama, I gotta go. So my brothers would always say to me, don't you dare cry. If you get hurt if you fall. You better not cry.
Fat Joe
And I was like, that was words of wisdom.
Cheryl Swoopes
But I was like, why can't I cry if I get hurt? And they were like, because we'll get in trouble if you cry and Mama finds out, we're gonna get in trouble. But where I grew up, there were never a lot of girls that wanted to play basketball. So I grew up in Brownfield, Texas, West Texas. We had a place we called Tiger bowl, so it was across the tracks. Every Sunday after church, we would walk home, change clothes, and we would walk back, cross the tracks to go play in the Tiger Bowl. It was just an outside court, no nets, and I was the only girl that was playing. So it was my brothers and then just a lot of. Just a lot of dudes that played. And that's where I learned how to play basketball. Like, the toughness that I got was from playing with all of those dudes. And, you know, I always tell people when I watch basketball, even today, I think the women's game, like, fundamentally, I think we're better because we really spend the time working on our craft, like the ball handling and the shooting, and that's why we have really good shooters. But it's just natural that men are gonna be tougher, stronger, they're gonna jump higher, they're gonna be quicker. And so when I played against the guys, those were things that I really worked on, like, on defense. And honestly, I think that's why I was a really good defender, because I always went and played against the guys because I knew they were going to jump higher than me, so I had to be able to stay in front of them. I knew they were quicker. I had to be able to box them out. That's where I really think I became the player that I was.
Fat Joe
You know what's crazy is the last game I played, 1770,
Cheryl Swoopes
They didn't let you. No, no, no, no. Wait a minute.
Fat Joe
No, because I'm about to. Can I explain? Can I.
Cheryl Swoopes
Yes, please do. Let him explain. Yeah, come on, explain. Come on, Joe, explain.
Jada
Hey, Levy. Scorcher.
Fat Joe
You might.
Jada
That just hurt me.
Fat Joe
Go ahead, take your shot.
Jada
Go ahead.
Fat Joe
What I'm trying to explain is, okay, this one thing you play in the game, you shoot, you score. When I tell you, every time I try to shoot, all five guys, all sides of the court, jump so high in the air, they refuse to let me. They were swinging at that like, yo. Like, they did not want me to get a basket. They were in that air, like, I remember was flying up to the circle. It was like, yo, we're not gonna let Fat Joe score. Why? I don't know. Maybe because I'm a rapper or something. But I'm trying to tell you, look what I remember shooting.
Jada
I need you to come.
Fat Joe
And all five players jumping up in the air like, listen, I need you
Jada
to come out of retirement.
Cheryl Swoopes
Yeah.
Jada
And I need them before while my knees still got fluidity. I need to get in the Celebrity All Star Game. NBA. If I could still let that go.
Cheryl Swoopes
Yeah, let's go.
Jada
They told me I had to do something with Lethal Shooter.
Fat Joe
I had to go.
Jada
I had to do charity. And I did everything they told me to do. I did. I paid my ties to the church. That was it. And you still haven't been in, hopefully this year they call me.
Cheryl Swoopes
Let's go.
Jada
I only got another. It's only about 18 months.
Cheryl Swoopes
I'm gonna be courtside for that one.
Jada
Yeah.
Cheryl Swoopes
Joe, you played in the Celebrity All Star Game.
Fat Joe
I coached him one every time by 40. You don't know. I'm a legendary coach. Wait a minute, wait.
Cheryl Swoopes
You coached and won by 40 every time.
Fat Joe
3. Basketball. I am the number one winningest coach at the Rucker in the history of mankind. All right, the 17 chances.
Jada
Hard Rock bet.
Fat Joe
Hard Rock bet in the NBA. In the NBA, they look to coach two celebrity basketball games. And I won by 40 points both times. They don't want me to coach. I was in jail and I coached the team. They were the Bad News bear. They were dribbling like this. And I went and almost won the chip. They sent me home. They was like, yes. The motherfucker couldn't even dribble. I felt bad for the mother motherfucker working the kitchen with me every Saturday, I dribbling. Oh, my God, let me tell you something.
Cheryl Swoopes
And you let him dribble.
Fat Joe
Like, I got friends that go to jail for a living.
Jada
And they gave me, like, Hard Rock back.
Fat Joe
They gave me, like, the 10 jail commandments. And one of them was like, don't argue about basketball. Don't get into basketball. Don't play basketball. Cause that's where the fights happen. Somebody fire you, you fight. You argue over the Knicks.
Cheryl Swoopes
You.
Fat Joe
This, this, this. I had a pamphlet. I couldn't take it. Every Saturday morning, I walked out there, them guys was getting beat by 10,000. They was dribbling like this. So I went out there and I
Jada
said, you stand here.
Fat Joe
You stand there. You, here. You cut. When the guy did, they wind up winning. Start winning every game. Now the nice guys join Our team, they thought it was like a rocker in that motherfucker. We start winning every game. I didn't. I got to the chip, but they let me home. Thank God. A week before the chip. But I don't lose.
Jada
Just don't let me stay active.
Cheryl Swoopes
Listen. Fact. That's all.
Fat Joe
And I. That's.
Cheryl Swoopes
That's all.
Fat Joe
Just last week I coached the game. Just last week I coached the game.
Cheryl Swoopes
That's all coaching.
Fat Joe
What?
Cheryl Swoopes
Yes, you are.
Fat Joe
That's all coaching.
Cheryl Swoopes
I know.
Fat Joe
Just last week I coached the game. They had like a Jordan. Puerto Rican. They got a young Puerto Rican rapper. He's threatening me. We beat that ass by 40.
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Jada
I don't play that Hard Rock back.
Fat Joe
All right.
Cheryl Swoopes
What happened to Hard Rock?
Fat Joe
Bet he wants the Hard Rock back.
Jada
Draft seven now of the wnba. Early predictions. Who you think gonna win this year? Just ball.
Cheryl Swoopes
Well, I mean, the Aces are the defending champions, so you can't ever go against them. I really. If New York can stay healthy. I like New York, but I'm going to tell you a team and I said this last year, but they had so many injuries. Indiana Fever.
Jada
Indiana.
Cheryl Swoopes
They. They got the pieces.
Fat Joe
Okay.
Cheryl Swoopes
And they did really good in the draft.
Fat Joe
Okay. No, no, no, no. I'm fucking with you. Don't mind me. Don't mind me. This is the menopause. This is the reverse.
Jada
Men. Clark could stay healthy for one whole season. She got a shot at mvp.
Cheryl Swoopes
At mvp.
Jada
That means.
Cheryl Swoopes
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Fat Joe
So Caitlyn Clark won't have a shot at mvp.
Cheryl Swoopes
What it means. No, I didn't say it like that because here's what it means to me. She gotta go and take it from Asia Wilson.
Jada
Cause Asia's the take, okay?
Fat Joe
Cause Asia is the real deal.
Cheryl Swoopes
And Asia ain't just gonna let it go like that.
Fat Joe
But I would say the light skinned
Jada
girl, her feast is hurt.
Fat Joe
She's hurt.
Cheryl Swoopes
She'll be back, but I don't know how healthy she'll be. Fee's really good. But my. I would say Asia for sure is. I absolutely think if Caitlyn can stay healthy, I think Caitlyn has a really good shot. I don't. I don't know. I don't know. What. What's going on with Stewie?
Jada
I was just about to say.
Cheryl Swoopes
What's going on with Stewie?
Fat Joe
Stewie's good man. Real fucking good. She come from over there. Connecticut. Well, she played college in Connecticut.
Jada
Yeah, you kind of come from upstate New York.
Fat Joe
No, Stewie's really good. No, she dead nice. And I'm gonna say something right here. Caitlin Clark is dead nice.
Jada
She gotta be healthy.
Fat Joe
Yo, yo.
Jada
On the street, her best ability is available.
Cheryl Swoopes
Say it again.
Fat Joe
Her best ability is availability. No doubt, with the fluidity to have the nuity.
Cheryl Swoopes
Here's why I think Indiana has a really good shot to win a championship, because you re signed Kelsey Mitchell, which to me, was perfect. Kelsey Mitchell is the truth. She is. You got Aaliyah, Boston, you got Caitlin, if she can stay healthy. Lexi Hall, I think, is a key part of what they do defensively.
Jada
She's like they dream up.
Cheryl Swoopes
I absolutely loved their draft pick, Raven Johnson. Ravenson, because I think Raven's a true point guard.
Jada
Facts.
Cheryl Swoopes
And to me, one of the best parts of Caitlin's game is her passing ability. But I think when she's playing off the ball, she's more effective, is when she is really good at scoring. And Raven Johnson running the point can move Caitlin off the ball and. Cause when Caitlin has the ball in her hands, everybody just kind of stands around and they're like, let's see what she's gonna do when she's playing off the ball. And you have a true point guard like Raven, there's gonna be a lot of movement. You gotta guard Caitlin, Kelsey, Aaliyah, whoever that fourth player's gonna be. Yeah, I like the pieces that they got. They will absolutely make some noise.
Fat Joe
Let me tell you something. I'm going to where I always go with the liberty. And that's a hard Rock bet. My liberty. It get busy. We picked up my liberty.
Jada
Look at man say that.
Fat Joe
My liberty. And that's a Hard rock bet. Y' all listen. My liberty. That's a Hard Rock bar. That's the top five. Dead or alive. My liberty is dead. Nice. We picked up great pickup this year.
Jada
Taboo.
Fat Joe
She gets busy, man.
Jada
I like her. She's the better sister.
Fat Joe
And we beat Asia. We beat Asia two, three years ago.
Cheryl Swoopes
Well, Asia beat y'.
Fat Joe
All. Yeah. But I just want you to know, it ain't like she's four chips in a row.
Jada
She's beatable.
Fat Joe
She's beatable. I'm just trying to take my liberty. They don't play that shit. You know what I'm saying? Then we got the best mascot in the whole fucking league.
Cheryl Swoopes
Yeah, Ellie. Ellie ain't no joke.
Fat Joe
Ellie, get busy, huh? Yeah, Ellie, do you know who Ellie is inside the con.
Cheryl Swoopes
Don't be telling nobody.
Jada
I don't want to know.
Fat Joe
Do you know? I'm just asking. Do you know?
Cheryl Swoopes
I don't know.
Fat Joe
Do you know?
Cheryl Swoopes
I don't. I know.
Jada
I like it. I like it. I like.
Fat Joe
Legendary.
Jada
Listen, Ellie's a rap.
Cheryl Swoopes
You said you don't want to know. Don't be telling.
Fat Joe
Don't be telling nobody.
Jada
Gangster rapper inside the.
Fat Joe
She's the best. I know. I know.
Jada
He don't know.
Fat Joe
I know. Nah, nah, nah. I'mma fuck the whole shit up.
Jada
It's not good.
Fat Joe
But I know who Ellie is.
Cheryl Swoopes
Don't tell it. Don't tell it.
Fat Joe
I know who Ellie is, but Ellie's the best mascot in the motherfucker, hands down.
Cheryl Swoopes
Hands down.
Fat Joe
Cheryl, what's the name of your podcast?
Cheryl Swoopes
Levels to this.
Fat Joe
Levels to this.
Cheryl Swoopes
Levels to this.
Fat Joe
I love that name.
Cheryl Swoopes
And it's just Tareka and I just talking about all the different levels. Shit that women go through
Jada
next to Julie. Set it up. Julie. Julie. We're going on their podcast, scheduling it.
Fat Joe
He full of shit, so just know.
Jada
Set it up. I'm giving you our word.
Cheryl Swoopes
Yeah, Yeah. I like that.
Jada
Our word.
Cheryl Swoopes
I like that. Yes.
Fat Joe
Let me ask you a question. NBA.
Cheryl Swoopes
Yeah.
Fat Joe
What are your predictions? Out the east, out the west. Ooh, Hard rock. That kid is on his hard rock. Hard rock.
Cheryl Swoopes
What'd you say? I haven't been watching the NBA.
Fat Joe
Oh, I take that. I take that also. Look at his face.
Cheryl Swoopes
I'm just like. No disrespect to anybody. I just.
Fat Joe
Damn. I thought you was just addicted to basketball, like.
Cheryl Swoopes
No, I love basketball.
Fat Joe
Well, you watching now that you retired, Are you watching Jeopardy?
Cheryl Swoopes
Paradise. Paradise is paradise.
Fat Joe
I didn't understand Beauty and Black. Have you seen the Imperfect Woman yet with Kerry Washington? I got you. I got you. I'm gonna love that shit.
Cheryl Swoopes
I don't think I've seen that one.
Fat Joe
I'm telling you, Imperfect Woman on Apple TV with Kerry Washington.
Cheryl Swoopes
Okay? That's on my ass.
Fat Joe
That's that shit.
Cheryl Swoopes
I'm watching that.
Fat Joe
You know how perfect women go? You kill a husband, the husband kill a wife. Everybody going after the will.
Cheryl Swoopes
The same shit.
Fat Joe
I'm tired of Lifetime channel, okay? I could do this blind. They could throw on a show in Lifetime. I could pause it and be like, all right, the husband killed the wife, or the wife killed the husband. Somebody's going after the money.
Cheryl Swoopes
Yeah, Lifetime. Yeah. That's all Lifetime is.
Fat Joe
I don't know. I didn't watch that shit all day.
Cheryl Swoopes
You know, Netflix on Sunday put out some stats.
Fat Joe
You know, Breakfast Club. Salute. Breakfast Club. They were number one. We were number. They got like, 50.
Jada
I don't know the numbers. Okay, I'm gonna tell you, all right.
Fat Joe
In Netflix standings right now, the Breakfast Club was number one. Number two was Bridgington. You know, that's the number one show in the world. They got the actors. Number three was How I Kill My Husband. This shit is on that lifetime. This is three podcasts. Number four was Peter Davidson. Number five was Joe and Jada.
Cheryl Swoopes
Yeah.
Fat Joe
Not bad for the rookies of the year.
Cheryl Swoopes
Yeah. Let's go.
Fat Joe
Top five, Dead or alive.
Cheryl Swoopes
Yeah. Top five.
Fat Joe
Cheers.
Jada
I want to be number one.
Cheryl Swoopes
I'm toasting to y' all being top five.
Fat Joe
We number one everywhere else. Hold up. I got it. Y' all trying to get me twisty. I got my last little bit. White. 1800, girl.
Jada
1800.
Fat Joe
This ain't that.
Jada
That ain't this.
Fat Joe
Cracking Kiss.
Jada
Make some noise for Cheryl.
Fat Joe
Sn. Candy. That's up.
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Date: May 7, 2026
This dynamic, vibe-heavy episode spotlights women’s basketball icon Cheryl Swoopes, who joins Fat Joe and Jada for a lively, transparent, and celebratory conversation. The episode flows through topics including Swoopes’ trailblazing Nike deal, stories from the early WNBA, her take on the Mount Rushmore of women’s basketball, hilarious tangents about celebrity hoopers (J. Cole in China), insights into league expansion, discussion of generational shifts in mindset, and projections for rising WNBA talent like Caitlin Clark. Swoopes’ humility and candor ground the episode, while Joe and Jada keep things bold, opinionated, and fun.
[02:03 – 04:26]
Quote:
“Everything you see in the WNBA right now, she helped lay that foundation with her own hands.” – Jada [04:28]
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[06:29 – 08:43]
[08:43 – 16:15]
Notable Quotes:
[17:13 – 23:37]
[27:26 – 32:28]
Swoopes recounts growing up in small-town Texas, playing only with boys
Academic/athletic scholarships as path out; driven to “change my mom’s life”
Both Cheryl and Joe bond over food stamps, government cheese, and share how showing up in their home neighborhood inspires kids now: “I don’t think it’s a bad thing to be in your neighborhood…to show all of the people…this is where I came from. But that doesn’t mean this is who you have to be as you get older.” – Cheryl Swoopes [29:27]
Emotional moment as Cheryl talks about treating her brothers to a fancy meal, appreciating simple family victories.
[34:14 – 35:57]
[36:06 – 44:41]
[49:32 – 53:32]
Quote:
“Lauren Jackson.” [50:27]
[55:46 – 57:43]
[58:45 – 61:23]
[66:15 – 70:15]
Swoopes’ early picks:
Caitlin Clark’s MVP potential:
Various Segments
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