Joe and Jada - Sheryl Swoopes on WNBA Mt. Rushmore, ICONIC Nike deal, J. Cole in China & Caitlyn Clark’s MVP chances

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Episode: Joe and Jada - Sheryl Swoopes on WNBA Mt. Rushmore, ICONIC Nike deal, J. Cole in China & Caitlyn Clark’s MVP chances

Date: May 7, 2026

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Overview

This dynamic, vibe-heavy episode spotlights women’s basketball icon Cheryl Swoopes, who joins Fat Joe and Jada for a lively, transparent, and celebratory conversation. The episode flows through topics including Swoopes’ trailblazing Nike deal, stories from the early WNBA, her take on the Mount Rushmore of women’s basketball, hilarious tangents about celebrity hoopers (J. Cole in China), insights into league expansion, discussion of generational shifts in mindset, and projections for rising WNBA talent like Caitlin Clark. Swoopes’ humility and candor ground the episode, while Joe and Jada keep things bold, opinionated, and fun.

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1. Celebrating Cheryl Swoopes: Legacy & Introduction

[02:03 – 04:26]

• Joe & Jada hype up Cheryl’s unprecedented career:
  • First player ever signed to the WNBA
  • Four WNBA championships, three MVPs
  • Three Olympic golds, NCAA and World Cup wins
  • First woman with a Nike signature sneaker
  • 2016 Naismith Hall of Fame inductee

Quote:
“Everything you see in the WNBA right now, she helped lay that foundation with her own hands.” – Jada [04:28]

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2. The Early WNBA & Player Pay

[06:29 – 08:43]

• Fat Joe and Jada reflect on watching the WNBA draft, discuss how public interest is increasing
• Joe shares a private convo with Clara Wu Tsai (Liberty owner) about fighting for better salaries
• Cheryl opens up about her original $200K WNBA salary in 1997, only $50K of which was from the team — the rest was league marketing
  “For so long, right? The W started in ‘97… I was talking to someone earlier…when I signed my contract…$200,000 – $50,000…from the team, $150,000…from the marketing…” – Cheryl Swoopes [08:12]

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3. J. Cole Hoops in China: Banter & Reality Check

[08:43 – 16:15]

• Joe goes in on J. Cole’s brief pro stint in China, playfully roasting his lack of stats.
• Talks industry crossover: actors who get defensive of rappers, realness of overseas leagues
• Cheryl jokes about J. Cole’s “visa issues," highlights tough competition in global leagues

Notable Quotes:

• “He went over there and did nothing.” -- Fat Joe [10:12]
• “It’s a real league. That shit is like the G League or a little bit better…you coming, J. Cole…they ran him out of China.” – Fat Joe [10:14]
• “They waved him after one game.” – Cheryl Swoopes [15:10]
• “Tracy McGrady said he good for 8. You said he good for 12… I say he was good for zero.” – Fat Joe [15:22]

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4. Legendary Work Ethic & Signature Nike Deal

[17:13 – 23:37]

• Fat Joe praises Cheryl’s “unconscious” shooting and confidence
• Cheryl compares her practice/work ethic to artists like Beyoncé (months prepping for a performance)
• Discussion about having her own signature sneaker — never even dreamed of it as a goal, since women’s shoes weren’t a thing
• Emotional first moment hearing Nike would name the shoe “Air Swoopes”:
  "I cried and I cried. Wow…But then it became bigger. Doors opening and opportunities for all these other young girls who will come up after me…” – Cheryl Swoopes [22:16]

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5. Rising from Humble Beginnings: Resilience & Representation

[27:26 – 32:28]

• Swoopes recounts growing up in small-town Texas, playing only with boys

• Academic/athletic scholarships as path out; driven to “change my mom’s life”

• Both Cheryl and Joe bond over food stamps, government cheese, and share how showing up in their home neighborhood inspires kids now: “I don’t think it’s a bad thing to be in your neighborhood…to show all of the people…this is where I came from. But that doesn’t mean this is who you have to be as you get older.” – Cheryl Swoopes [29:27]

• Emotional moment as Cheryl talks about treating her brothers to a fancy meal, appreciating simple family victories.

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6. The Winning Mindset: Back-to-Back Titles & Generational Differences

[34:14 – 35:57]

• Winning multiple championships never got old for Cheryl — “Once you get a taste of winning, you want more and more.”
• Notes some difference in mentality between her generation (“we weren’t going to lose”) and some current players
• Shout-outs to legendary Comets teammates and their work ethic

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7. Coaching Drama: Dawn Staley vs. Geno Auriemma, Final Four Handshake

[36:06 – 44:41]

• Heated segment on college coaching drama: Geno allegedly skips handshake with Dawn Staley after Final Four loss.
• Joe and Cheryl get personal about everyday discrimination (Hermès store story, airport “prisoner line”)
• Cheryl: “We’re always expected to take the higher road. We’re always expected to just be like…it’s okay, we’ll sweep it under the rug. But at some point…when do we say, enough is enough?” [43:11]
• “You took away one of the most special parts of a college athlete’s career…it was about Dawn had a better game plan, and she outcoached you…” – Cheryl Swoopes [43:49]

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8. WNBA Mount Rushmore & All-Time Greats

[49:32 – 53:32]

• Cheryl’s WNBA Top 5 (excluding herself):
  1. Lisa Leslie
  2. Cynthia Cooper
  3. Diana Taurasi
  4. Tina Thompson
  5. Lauren Jackson

Quote:
“Lauren Jackson.” [50:27]

• Discussion about Lisa Leslie’s impact as the first dunker, arena sellouts, historic lack of media attention compared to NBA players.

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9. Trailblazing and League Expansion

[55:46 – 57:43]

• Swoopes excited about WNBA expansion teams: this season Toronto and Portland; Philly, Detroit, Cleveland coming 2029–2030; Houston next year.
• “This season, we’ll have Toronto and Portland…then…Philly, Detroit, and Cleveland…next year, Houston.” – Cheryl Swoopes [56:14–56:44]
• Joe cracks on differences in market fluidity (Houston vs. Connecticut)

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10. Generational Toughness & Playing with Boys

[58:45 – 61:23]

• “No crying in basketball!” – Jada [59:02]
• Swoopes credits toughness, skill, and defensive edge to growing up as the only girl playing with her brothers and other boys.
• Believes women’s game is more fundamentally sound due to focus on skill and craft.

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11. WNBA 2026 Predictions: Aces, Liberty, and Caitlin Clark

[66:15 – 70:15]

• Swoopes’ early picks:

  • Defending champs Las Vegas Aces, but likes New York Liberty and Indiana Fever as contenders if healthy.
  • “Indiana Fever. They got the pieces.” – Cheryl Swoopes [66:48]

• Caitlin Clark’s MVP potential:

  • Must “go and take it from A’ja Wilson” [67:23]
  • If Caitlin stays healthy, Cheryl thinks she “has a really good shot.”
  • Raven Johnson praised as a true point guard for Indiana; Swoopes foresees Clark flourishing off the ball.

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12. Randoms, Humorous Jabs & Closing Banter

Various Segments

• Ellie the Liberty mascot: “Ellie ain’t no joke.” – Cheryl Swoopes [71:10]
• Fat Joe flexes coaching success at Rucker Park and celebrity games
• Playful roasting: who really supported the WNBA from day one
• Swoopes plugs her podcast: Levels to This, co-hosted with Tareka [71:58]
• Fat Joe, Jada, and Swoopes toast top-five podcast rankings, talk reality TV, true crime, and more

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “I cried and I cried. Wow…But then it became bigger. Doors opening and opportunities for all these other young girls…” – Cheryl Swoopes [22:16]
• “We’re always expected to take the higher road…at some point, when do we say, enough is enough?” – Cheryl Swoopes [43:11]
• “It wasn’t on my bingo card that I wasn’t gonna score 53 either.” – Cheryl Swoopes [46:39]
• “Indiana Fever. They got the pieces.” – Cheryl Swoopes [66:48]
• “She gotta go and take it from A’ja Wilson.” – Cheryl Swoopes on Caitlin Clark’s MVP hopes [67:27]
• “Her best ability is availability.” – Fat Joe [68:48]
• “Levels to This.” – Cheryl Swoopes (on her podcast) [71:58]

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Key Takeaways

• Cheryl Swoopes is both humble and trailblazing—her stories highlight the growth of women’s basketball, shifting salaries, and increased exposure.
• Early WNBA players sacrificed and hustled—Swoopes’ insights offer deep context for the league’s progress.
• The episode balances fun (J. Cole, coaching jokes, mascot mysteries) and serious (racial discrimination, respect in women’s sports, generational mindsets).
• Swoopes offers clear-eyed predictions about new stars and team prospects, while always keeping the women who built the league front and center.

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Transcript

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[Fat Joe]

And so like, I'm looking at Cheryl Swoops. I said she got her own face. You don't look like nobody else.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

We all have our own face.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but you don't look like nobody else.

[Jada]

Meaning

[Fat Joe]

we don't get too confused.

[Jada]

Shout what?

[Fat Joe]

We don't get too confused with nobody else. You got your own distinctive look. You know, one time I landed in la. Six hour flight.

[Jada]

Here we go.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, what up, y'?

[Jada]

All?

[Fat Joe]

This Joe Crack the Dawn.

[Jada]

You know who it is. Your boy Jada. This is the Joe and Jada show. Every show legendary. Every show iconic.

[Fat Joe]

Iconic.

[Jada]

And we ain't stopping, okay?

[Fat Joe]

This is a serious iconic one.

[Jada]

You heard what I said? Every show legendary. Every show iconic.

[Fat Joe]

But I can't. I can't lie. Some people are borderline. All right, Big whatever, you know, we help those out. We have an iconic.

[Jada]

Yeah, we had a few that wasn't legendary or iconic. And we keeping it real. Nah, I can't do it.

[Fat Joe]

You don't shit on my guests. Don't shit up.

[Jada]

Don't listen, listen. That's another show. Today's show.

[Fat Joe]

Who ain't iconic.

[Jada]

When you think of today's guest. We'll get to the un. Icons on another edition. Today is very iconic.

[Fat Joe]

Super.

[Jada]

When you think of today's guest, you think of the first player ever signed in the wnba.

[Fat Joe]

Clap it up.

[Jada]

Make some noise for that alone. We didn't even start yet. Did this. Make some noise for that. You think of four WNBA champions.

[Fat Joe]

Clap it up for that.

[Jada]

That shit ain't some more no louder and louder Sarconic, you know what I mean? You think a three time MVP make noise? Three Olympic gold medals make noise. NCAA title, make noise.

[Fat Joe]

Texas.

[Jada]

Texas FEMA World cup gold. Make. No. She collect the hardware like it was a hobby. That's what she does.

[Fat Joe]

Talking that shit.

[Jada]

You know what I mean? You think of the first woman that

[Cheryl Swoopes]

night gave a signature sneaker.

[Fat Joe]

First signature sneaker.

[Jada]

Basketball gave her a signature shoe before they even knew women basketball shoes could sell. Make noise. Want to keep going? Let's keep going. You think of a woman who stands on her truth even when it costs something. You know what I mean? To do so Nate Smith, hall of Fame, 2016 Women's Basketball hall of Fame, man. Keep going.

[Fat Joe]

You know the Rock and Roll hall of Fame just jerked. New edition. They should have been nominated different.

[Jada]

A 1996 Olympic team is being inducted into the Naismith hall of Fame this year. Make noise. I mean, one of the top 15 WNBA players of all time. Did you hear me?

[Fat Joe]

All time.

[Jada]

Make noise.

[Fat Joe]

Let me hear that one again.

[Jada]

One of the top 15.

[Fat Joe]

They shrugged her. Now she's down. She's more towards the higher. Top five. Dead or alive.

[Jada]

Make noise.

[Fat Joe]

They jerked you. They jerked you.

[Jada]

Everything you see in the WNBA right now, she helped lay that foundation with her own hands. Please welcome the legend, the iconic to everything that we need in this world to make the WNBA as you see it today evolve. Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for Ms. Cheryl Swan.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

I want to do it. Make noise.

[Jada]

Now. You want to say something crazy?

[Fat Joe]

No, I'm just saying she touched the 1800 event. Before we get the toast. She's already off the 1800. You too.

[Jada]

Shout out to 1800.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, get me a glass. I'm white, I can't drink them.

[Jada]

She's celebrating a birthday recently, a belated birthday. Doing this for the draft.

[Fat Joe]

Over the top, over the top. Let me get the 1800. Over the top. I'm going in. Yo, two time a felon. You know our guy's called two time a felon. He's a two time a felon. Trying to change his life.

[Jada]

Two time a felon.

[Fat Joe]

He's a work in progress. I got one more for you too. And then one of the newer members of the Rock family, Ms. Cheryl Swoobs.

[Jada]

One of the newer members of the Rock family. Make the heart.

[Fat Joe]

I don't know. I did not know.

[Jada]

Yeah, 1800, belated birthday. Newest member of the Rock family. And we also toasted to the wnba. The draft was beautiful. Shout out to all the young ladies who's gonna succeed. I mean,

[Fat Joe]

18 Hondo,

[Jada]

talk about the draft right quick. Before we get into all of your accomplishments which you have going on. How'd you feel about it? I watched the whole thing. I put myself on another pedestal. Cause a lot of my friends was calling around, they saying, yo, there's no games on. It's da da da. They sad.

[Fat Joe]

It was a hard one.

[Jada]

Yeah, you was playing games. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You one of my friends that was on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I enjoyed watching the. The pre draft and I watched the entire draft, the whole thing. And one of my guys, T dar shout out to Dobby. He was there with me. He didn't. I'm telling him, yo, dog, why she go next and this and that? She's from UCLA. She's from St. John, she's from Yukon and she's from south. He like, how you know? I said, dog, you don't watch. You don't watch female. Watch the female. Like, no, I don't. I have. No. But after that, he like, yo, I'm gonna start watching it.

[Fat Joe]

You made me, so I feel good. Shout out. The girls got paid. The girls got paid. Much better. Yeah, you know, I had a whole like with the lady who owns the nets. It's the Asian lady. I went in for the.

[Jada]

Josiah's wife.

[Fat Joe]

Huh?

[Jada]

Josiah got the Nets and his wife got the livid.

[Fat Joe]

Well, his wife is a beautiful lady. And I pulled her to the side and we talked for about a good half an hour. And I was like, yo, these girls gotta get paid. She was like, yeah, we paying. The said, no, like, pay.

[Jada]

Are you telling me you responsive?

[Fat Joe]

No, no, that would be ready. Yo, that would be Cap. That would be Cap. I'm just telling you, on behalf of

[Jada]

the young ladies, you put your word in.

[Fat Joe]

I. Whatever you can. Whatever you can.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

You know what's good is when cuz for so long, right? Like, the w started in 97. And I was talking to someone earlier, and I said, In 97, when I signed my contract, I actually was off a little bit. I thought it was 375. It was 200,000. 50,000 of it was from the team. And then the 150,000 was from the marketing and stuff I did for the league.

[Fat Joe]

But it was. And then most WNBA players gotta go abroad. They gotta go. By the way, J. Cole quit after one game, by the way. No, no, no. You gotta be with me, Joe. You gotta be with me. Because he ain't a real Hooper. Nah. And the man thought he could go over there. He donated the whole shit, they said, by me. He donated. He got no points, no nothing. No assist, no points.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

They said he had visa issues.

[Fat Joe]

Out of here, bro. Like, yo, and by the way, I' tell my audience he play. He played with the Chinese monkeys.

[Jada]

Okay?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, yo, listen. Listen to me. You know, these real actors, they get mad when rappers try to act and shit. Yes, you should be upset because this guy is very famous. He sells out stadiums. He's one of the greatest rappers of all time. And he think it's a game. So he went out there to play like, yo, I'm J. Cole. He donut shit. Everybody came at me, by the way, I love J. Cole.

[Jada]

No, you don't.

[Fat Joe]

Yes, I do. Yes, I do. I'm telling you right now, by the way, I love J. Cole. Just because I speak truth, why you want me to kiss everybody's ass up here? I gotta have an opinion. I know basketball to the point that I knew that boy was gonna go over there and do nothing. He went over there and did nothing.

[Jada]

How'd you know that?

[Cheryl Swoopes]

How?

[Fat Joe]

Because what happens is it's a real league. It's a real. That shit is like the G League or a little bit better than the G League. So you got retired. Everybody who's the nicest from overseas is over there. Everybody that ain't in. You know AI after he was. AI or T. They there. Stephon Mulberry is busting your man booby cousins. They busting your ass. You coming? J. Cole.

[Jada]

Get the.

[Fat Joe]

They ran him out of China.

[Jada]

I don't understand.

[Fat Joe]

J. Cole. Come to the show. Discuss. Let's just discuss, man. Let's.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

It's a real league. It's a real thing. Like if you're not a. But if you not. But why did he want to play three?

[Fat Joe]

So he could donut for three. Y' all get outta here.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

So. But he got in the country. And his visa was good enough for him to come.

[Fat Joe]

It's a lie.

[Jada]

It's a lie.

[Fat Joe]

He stunk up the place. The man didn't want. He didn't want three in a row.

[Jada]

Something happened. Get out of here. That's what they. That's what.

[Fat Joe]

Get out of here.

[Jada]

But in his defense, he only played one game.

[Fat Joe]

He had two. Three pointers. That he was wide open. I watched him in that.

[Jada]

He have a bad game.

[Fat Joe]

You gotta stop. You already know when. It's a real moment. You need a real bottle. That's why we rock with 1800 tequila. These people been making tequila for 11 generations. That's a legacy. That's the OG status. They were the first to introduce Anejo. Set the standard before most of these brands even existed.

[Jada]

And you can taste the difference.

[Fat Joe]

For real.

[Jada]

The 1800 Cristilino and Resposado is what we've been on lately. Smooth, clean, elevated. No rough edges. Just a premium pour that speaks for itself. You know, when something is just built right? That's what this is.

[Fat Joe]

Real talk. That's just what it is. It's always around for the best nights. The winds, the. The celebrations. To remember that night. Stories.

[Jada]

Whether you're keeping it low key with the crew or you pull up to something big. 1800 fits every sentence. It ain't trying too hard. It just is death. 1800 tequila. Real legacy. Real smooth. That's the move.

[Fat Joe]

You know, this Is the time. You want to know why right now, rappers have no more juice in the culture. This is the only stuff. Because the streamers, the streamers. And you know what the streamers these young boys are doing now? They winning streaming. You know why? Because they show they flaws and they show what's up and they show when they win. You got a streamer, he idolizes a rat. He comes, puts him on a streaming. You got other streamers. You got one guy who was on Instagram.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

It's okay.

[Fat Joe]

You see the guy, the guy looked like Dwight Howard, who was the guy that was racing cars and animals.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

He.

[Fat Joe]

But he raced against the streamer. The guy said, this the real. This ain't Instagram. Chopped up edit. He beat him three times in a row. So the point is, you can't do this. Master P got away with an ADA coming up in there. They picking for him. They giving them. You can't do that. J. Cole went over there and we saw true, what really was going on. And they left him on donut.

[Jada]

Master P up here too.

[Fat Joe]

Master B came to the rucker and they scored one point. I watched him with my own eyes.

[Jada]

Scored double digits.

[Fat Joe]

I'm not talking on shit. I don't know. I watched her hoop. I watched J. Cole when he was playing in Africa. I was up at 4 in the morning watching that bullshit.

[Jada]

He was too.

[Fat Joe]

I knew he was. Anyway, J. Cole, we love you.

[Jada]

I don't know what he did to you.

[Fat Joe]

He ain't doing.

[Jada]

I don't know what he did to

[Fat Joe]

you, but he's always called you. I love J. Cole. I told you. I love J. Cole, but I gotta speak the truth. Y' all people don't want me to speak the truth up here.

[Jada]

I can't sit up here, lie right. Get off of that. Let's talk about.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Okay, but the one game he played in. What? What did he do?

[Fat Joe]

Zero.

[Jada]

Everything he missed, he missed.

[Fat Joe]

He hit the number on the top, 24.

[Jada]

He had a wide open three, 16 hour flight.

[Fat Joe]

You're a rapper?

[Jada]

You never.

[Fat Joe]

No, no. This guy wants to feature. This guy wants a feature.

[Jada]

I don't want anything.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, no.

[Jada]

I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt. It's one game. If he played it half a season, a quarter of season.

[Fat Joe]

Sent that boy right.

[Jada]

How you know?

[Fat Joe]

Next.

[Jada]

Waved him in one game.

[Fat Joe]

They said, yo, you know what, man? You stunk up the play, man. You gotta go back.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Waved him after one game.

[Fat Joe]

One game. When I say I'm arguing with TMac, Tracy McGrady sitting. Where you sitting at? Yo, he's good for 12. He's this. I said, get the.

[Jada]

Tracy McGrady said he good for eight.

[Fat Joe]

See, you said he's good for 12.

[Jada]

I didn't say anything.

[Hard Rock Bet Announcer]

What?

[Fat Joe]

I say he was good for zero. I told you it was not going to happen. You gave him four.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Oh, my gosh.

[Fat Joe]

I gave them four. With the wide open? Yeah. When you triple team the guy, he's wide open under the bay. I gave him four.

[Jada]

True.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, you're right. Yo, double felon. I. Y' all don't want no truth. Y' all don't want no truth. He throw the sad.

[Jada]

He called everybody.

[Fat Joe]

No. I'mma just kiss everybody ass. I'mma just lie.

[Jada]

Y. Listen, all right. If you was.

[Fat Joe]

You, my brother, by the way, let me say talk.

[Jada]

If you was to get it somehow, a 10 day contract on a professional sophomore team, in the first game, you

[Fat Joe]

pitch and put your shit on.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Four in row.

[Jada]

Consecutive.

[Fat Joe]

I still hold. He only pitched one game. They did that. Yankee Stadium. CeCe Sabathia got the charity. He went on ESPN and told him I'm the legendary pitcher of the South Bronx. Them hit like five home runs off of me back to back.

[Jada]

See what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

They denounced me in two minutes. They're like, yo, Joey, get the fuck up. Thank you. You know how they come out? They were like, okay, buddy, let's go. Rich playing with. Trying to fight the whole. He was just like, he's a bum. He's dragged. Rich want to fight the whole crowd?

[Cheryl Swoopes]

I see.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, Rich, calm down. Saturday, chill. I retired officially.

[Jada]

Same thing.

[Fat Joe]

He needs to retire officially.

[Jada]

He did.

[Fat Joe]

No, no. Like forever. Don't do it. Don't, don't. J. Cole. Don't come out.

[Jada]

Don't do it. Let's talk about your Nike deal.

[Fat Joe]

No, no. I want to hold up one thing because. Because Cheryl Swoopes.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Oh, my gosh. That's funny.

[Fat Joe]

When you played them three pointers was unconscious. Like, I watched you shoot from anywhere. And just. What was it? The same thing. They t. Mac took the basket, felt this big because I watched you pull up and you were just shooting that shit. Like, how you know it was going in.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

I think for me, just knowing the work I put in, that was the hard part. The easy part was the actual games because I knew I was prepared for it. Ooh.

[Fat Joe]

Okay. You know, very Beyonce and JLo like, right these. Can I explain?

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Why are you making that face like

[Fat Joe]

Beyonce and JLO will practice for a show, say they have a show. In May, they be going for a month straight where they don't give a fuck about bomb land or something. They got that fucking. They ain't never fucking up if they practice so much. That's the two artists that I know of that practice more than anybody when they got like, so J, Beyonce had a whole documentary based on Coachella. She was practicing for, like, two months. I know my daughter watching this shit all day in the house. I'm like, she's like, what? She practicing two months for one show? So you saying, yo, I practiced so much that I just knew. I'm gonna tell you something else. That sounds weird, but you had a signature face, okay? Yeah, like Sheryl Swoopes. You can't get her confused with nobody else. You got a distinctive look, right? And so, like, I'm looking at Sheryl Swoopes. I said, she got her own face. You don't look like nobody else.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

We all have our own face.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but you don't look like nobody else. Meaning Shell Swoosh, Charles Swoops. We don't get you confused. We don't get you confused with nobody else. You got your own distinctive look. You know, one time I landed in la.

[Jada]

Six hour flight, there we go.

[Fat Joe]

And I went in the gas station, and somebody ran and was like, fat Joe, I swear to God. I came off the plane tired, wiping my eyes, went in the gas station. Somebody parked the car and ran in. And they could only see the back of my head. So I'm like, can I get a picture? I said, how'd you see me? I saw the back of your head while I was pumping gas. I knew it was you. Meaning that you have a distinctive look. Like, I won't miss you nowhere. I'll be like, yo, that's Sheryl Swoop.

[Jada]

You got a distinctive head. That's what you just.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

I don't know if I've ever heard that before.

[Fat Joe]

Huh?

[Cheryl Swoopes]

I don't.

[Fat Joe]

I don't know. I'm telling you, I know what I'm talking about. You asked.

[Jada]

Sure.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Okay.

[Fat Joe]

It was no game I ever looked at. And you was playing. I felt like that was a shrubs. Yeah, that's how I know.

[Jada]

When you see it.

[Fat Joe]

She got her own look. And that's a good thing. Nowadays you don't know who's what, who's who. They all look the same.

[Jada]

The good thing.

[Fat Joe]

All the basketball players, man. Basketball players, they all look the same.

[Jada]

No, they don't.

[Fat Joe]

Since when? They all look the same. You could get confused. Yeah, you could get confused with LeBron and Nate Robinson not difference. Satsuan. Satsuan. Satsuan from the Knicks. Sochan and Kelly Oubre might look the same. Like all them dudes look the same. I don't know. Anyway, maybe I'm off the subject, man. Fuck it.

[Jada]

Not all light skinned two time felon. What kind of coffee?

[Fat Joe]

Not all light skin, but all these guys look the same. Okay, I'll leave it at that.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Are you saying like their facial features or their games?

[Fat Joe]

No, no, their games are different. What I'm saying is their facial feature guys got the same tattoo of Jesus on their cheek.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Stop.

[Fat Joe]

You know, they all got the same.

[Jada]

Stop that.

[Fat Joe]

You guys all look like each other, bro, I'm telling you.

[Jada]

Back to the signature shoe. How was it back then having your own signature shoe? How's your relationship with Nike still?

[Cheryl Swoopes]

I have a great relationship with Nike. You know, people always talk about, like goals and dreams and things that they wanted to do growing up. That wasn't one I had on my list. Like I had a list of, here's what I want to do in life, right? I want to play in the Olympics. I want to meet Michael Jordan. All those things I never wrote down. I want to someday have my own shoe. Because back then that just wasn't something that we thought about. And there was no brand, no company that was giving a woman her own signature shoe. And you said it early, especially not knowing if the shoe would sell. And you know, people aren't really. So they said, people aren't really into women's basketball. And I just, I remember going to Nike and sitting down and having a conversation and the question was, what do you look for in a basketball shoe? Because I wore men's shoes, I played in men's shoes. There were no women's shoes. And I gave them this whole rundown of this is what's important to me in a basketball shoe. And the end of that conversation was, well, we're going to design a women's basketball shoe. And that excited me because I was like, finally, we'll have a shoot. And then they said, and we're gonna name it after you. And I heard it, but I didn't hear it. So there was no reaction. And then they said, we're gonna call it the Nike Air Swoops. And I cried and I cried. Wow. So just for a very short time, I was like, wow, like, this is really happening to me. But then it became bigger. It was more about doors opening and opportunities for all these other young girls who will come up after me that can now have that dream and know that that dream can become a reality.

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[Fat Joe]

Now, let me, let me ask you a question. Was it, did they pay you more for your sneaker than what you was getting paid for the league at the time or was it more like a look?

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Well, you know, I had a Nike contract, but even, even my Nike contract back in the day wasn't like, I mean it wasn't, it wasn't a Asia Wilson Clark 28 million.

[Fat Joe]

I had a number one song. I was getting 500 dol. They played me Legend.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

But the thing is, honestly, I didn't even like you be giving me $100,000. And I was like, oh, that's A lot of money. That was a lot of money for me, like, the way I grew up, where I was from. But that wasn't the thing that was important. What was important to me was, like, this shit is really happening.

[Fat Joe]

Greatness.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Like, somebody is thinking outside of the box.

[Fat Joe]

From. Yeah, I know. I'm let. I'm gonna let you talk, but I wanna finish what I'm saying.

[Jada]

Let her finish.

[Fat Joe]

Right. Go ahead. Okay.

[Jada]

Go ahead.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Okay, okay. No, I forgot what I was saying. Go ahead.

[Jada]

Oh.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, I'm sorry about that.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

I forgot.

[Jada]

1800.

[Fat Joe]

I wanted to say. 1800. Well, I wanted to get back at that Brown. Yeah, girl. Y' all, listen. You got.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

That's not brown.

[Fat Joe]

Now. What is it? Ten beige.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

It's clear.

[Jada]

Clear.

[Fat Joe]

Growing up, like, growing up. You grew up in Texas. Correct. And practicing and every. And then you finally get to college and you become a superstar. That's what I want to allude to. Like, did you ever, ever have an idea that you was gonna make it to that level? Like, did you ever look back in time, like, looked at the court and say, yo, I remember when I was a kid and I could never believe I would be under these bright lights, I think.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

So, like, I grew up in a very small town, and I played ball with my brothers and my brother's friends. But, like, I knew there was something special about my talent and my ability on the basketball court. There was nothing else I wanted to do. It was me, a basketball. If that was playing with guys, not playing with guys on the court by myself. I had a goal and a dream of, I'm going to change my mom's life. And I knew the only way to do that was to get an academic scholarship and go to college, get an athletic scholarship. And I just. I never allowed failure to. Like, it wasn't an option. I never allowed, like, negative thoughts, any of those things to enter my mind of, what if this doesn't work out? What if wasn't an option for me, this was. Was it?

[Fat Joe]

You know, I think. Because, you know, sometimes I get to thinking, you know, I'm still in the same neighborhood. I live in a different place, but my car drives around the same neighborhood I grew up in almost every day. So I think about going with my mother to welfare. Hard times, free cheese. Like, I just can't escape it. Cause, you know, unlike a lot of other places, when you really get to know New York, it's like one giant ghetto. So it's like, you know, like, wherever you go, you remember, you know, oh, this way. I Used to come with my mother and father, Beefsteak Charlie. This way, I. You know. So for me, like, it's insane for me to just understand, like, the life we're living now.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

It's like, no doubt.

[Fat Joe]

It just don't make sense. Like, I'd just be like, wow, this is crazy.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Well, but I also think this. So when I go back home, where I grew up, I think it's good for them to be able to see people like yourself and Jada and myself, so they can look at us and say, if they did it, we can do it. I was the same. My mom was on welfare. We had the free cheese. My mom worked the cafeteria. She cleaned houses. Days where we come home, the lights weren't on. Like, I had all of those things. And I think at any point we could allow that to define us and have an excuse of saying, well, this is all I know, or this is all I've seen, so this is what my life is going to be. But I think we chose differently. Right? But I don't think it's a bad thing to be in your neighborhood, to go back to your neighborhood, but to be able to show all of the people in your neighborhood, this is where I came from. But that doesn't mean this is who you have to be as you get older.

[Fat Joe]

I love that.

[Jada]

I love that moment. That's official.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Life is hard, though.

[Jada]

Definitely.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Life is hard.

[Fat Joe]

It never gets easy, ever.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

But I have moments where I have two older brothers and a younger brother. I don't have any sisters, but there are times, anytime I get together with my brothers and we sit and we having drinks or we're having a nice dinner. And some people may look at this or hear this and be like, what? But it means something to me to be able to sit down. Oh, God, I'm gonna cry. But to sit down and have a nice thousand dollar meal with my brothers feels good.

[Jada]

Yeah.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

You know, and to say, growing up the way we did, I don't think any of us ever thought that would be possible, you know? So to be able to do that now and, like, not think twice about means something. Yeah, absolutely.

[Jada]

It's a blessing.

[Fat Joe]

It's big time.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

And so I'm probably the only person that sat on this couch and cried with y'.

[Jada]

All.

[Fat Joe]

No, no. I might have cried up.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

No, I'm not gonna cry.

[Fat Joe]

No, no. But I like that, though, because it's showing your truth. And that's where I was trying to get to. Because for no disrespect, we from the Big city. And I'm looking at you with all that excellence. I'm like, she from a little town of Texas.

[Jada]

Like, what was that?

[Fat Joe]

Brownfield Highway? I was just in Houston the other day. I be thinking about. We talking about J. Cole. J. Cole from Fayetteville, North Carolina. That's this little, little, little, little town. He does stadiums to talk of everything. That's a big deal. At least us, we saw Grandmaster Flash.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Or you seen Fat Joe on Fordham. You just, I mean, to come from like the littlest sound. Ass.

[Jada]

I seen Fat Joe and Baby smile.

[Fat Joe]

He's like four years younger than me, so he likes to, you know, rub that in.

[Jada]

Four is a lot when you. Back in the day.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, yeah, back in the day.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Yeah.

[Jada]

Four is a lot when you start. It would come up.

[Fat Joe]

I was telling somebody on Easter, we were sitting around and they were like, yo, but how did you get bullied?

[Jada]

Right?

[Fat Joe]

When I was younger, I used to get beat up every day. And I was like, yo, I was like 12, 13, and my brother was already like 18. So that little six year. He can't come beat up 12 year olds and 13 year olds. He's a grown man already. He's already 18. So that age difference you talking about, it really is the difference. Like, they were like, why you ain't call your brother? I said, my brother can't come beat up these kids. These kids, 12, 13, 14. He 18. I couldn't even get my brothers. They was too big. That's crazy.

[Jada]

Damn, that don't matter. They coming outside.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Facts. Yeah, facts.

[Jada]

Any age you gotta get your brother.

[Fat Joe]

I used to see mothers come in there and start beating the teachers up the dog. You ever see that when they come in with the Vaseline on their face? Be like, Ms. Wickens, you bring your ass outside. Yeah, we gonna see if my son. Oh, I'm busting your ass. Nah, I've seen the most rational.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

He said Vaseline on the face.

[Fat Joe]

Vaseline on the face. Come outside, bitch. I bust your ass.

[Jada]

That's a little.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

That's true, though.

[Jada]

How does it feel to win four championships back in a row?

[Fat Joe]

Four in a row.

[Jada]

How. That's like. Yeah, how did, how did it feel? Did it start feeling like slaughter at the 3 and 2?

[Fat Joe]

Like, I felt like this AC in the back of my neck is Florida right now.

[Jada]

We got it cool.

[Fat Joe]

I got to make my, like, the fall cool. Warm it up. Nah, nah, nah, nah. We need you.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Nice. I got a fan.

[Fat Joe]

Toasty.

[Jada]

Was the feeling the same after the first one?

[Fat Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jada]

They all feel.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, I think once you get a taste of winning, then you want more and more and more. And I do think, in a way, I think that's what's a little bit different about, like, this generation right now that's playing. You have some that are hungry, like, they got that dog. They want to win, and they want to keep winning. But for us back then with the comments, it was like we weren't going to lose, you know? And when you have. You have players. Myself and Coop and Tina and Kim Perad and Wanda Guyton and Jeanette Arcane from Brazil, by the way, who's one of the best that's ever played the game. When you see the work ethic that we brought. Can y' all turn this air now?

[Fat Joe]

I need a pool shiesty mask. Cause my boy is trying to get over here.

[Jada]

This shit came.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

It's so good to me, though.

[Jada]

I'm enjoying it, but I need to put.

[Fat Joe]

Daddy, you gotta pull Shisty with you. Cut this on the back of my neck. Legendary.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Wait a minute.

[Fat Joe]

I can't even bubble gooses right now.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

I can't finish answering because y' all warming up.

[Fat Joe]

Because my boy is like, 1800. How proud of you, Coach. Dawn stand.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Oh, that's my girl.

[Fat Joe]

Listen, I love Dawn.

[Jada]

Stanley.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Oh, you said Stanley. I didn't hear Stanley. I just heard Dawn.

[Jada]

You don't get nobody's name.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Staley, take the N out.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, I know. She throw that shit on facts. She be fly the on that sideline. She one thing she gonna do.

[Jada]

Throw that shit.

[Fat Joe]

Throw that shit on, like, every game. She ain't playing with him.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Yeah, that's my girl. I love me some don. Since you asked me that question. Did you watch the final Four?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, I did. Yes, I did.

[Jada]

Who was it?

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Did you?

[Fat Joe]

No, I did.

[Jada]

Was the final four girls.

[Fat Joe]

What were the guys?

[Jada]

If I think.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

No, no, no, no, no. I'm talking about the girls.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, I watched the girls. Connecticut and all that.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Did you watch the Connecticut, South Carolina guys?

[Fat Joe]

Yes.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Did you watch to the end?

[Fat Joe]

Yes. When the man didn't want to give up.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

What'd you think about that, Gino?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, Gino, you talking to the wrong guy. Cause they'll throw us off of Netflix. I got a different. You know, my shit. I be trying to tell these guys I'm radical. Like, y'. All. I read through the lines like a. Like, what was that all that bothered me today? I went to a Hermes cell. They. They checked my Social Security number. They damn near Looked at my ass and asked me what the I was walking in there with.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

I got one, like.

[Fat Joe]

And you know who the.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

I got one. I got one. I got one.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, you got one. But let me tell you something. I'm gonna tell you one thing. I'm going to tell you one thing. All them people knew I'm rich as fuck.

[Jada]

Come on.

[Fat Joe]

They still went with me.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

No, for real. Talk about it.

[Fat Joe]

Nah, nah. Like, don't get it fucked up. They know who the fuck I am. They know my shit. They know I'm holding. They know what's up.

[Jada]

Yeah, don't get it fucked up.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Let's talk about it.

[Fat Joe]

Come on. Let's hear about this Social Security cue card. This. That here's a dis weight strike. Excuse me, sir. Let us email the. This, this, that they didn't do all that. Yes, all that shit. That bothers me, right? Because I believe in all of us are one. Right? I know this country.

[Jada]

That ain't happening. I don't care how much you believe.

[Fat Joe]

That's how I believe.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

True.

[Jada]

So I believe, too.

[Fat Joe]

But no matter what the history of our future, no matter what the history of this country is, I never forget. But I like to take people at face value. And when the guy told me, get on the prison, take the prisoner over,

[Jada]

you didn't slip like that for that.

[Fat Joe]

No, but I know it's the same thing. I gotta tolerate it. But it was hard.

[Jada]

I walked in the airport, the whole

[Fat Joe]

man said, put him in the prisoner line. Like there's a line, apparently.

[Jada]

What about you?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. Yes.

[Jada]

We was at the NASCAR with MJ Flex.

[Fat Joe]

How about that?

[Jada]

Come on. And when we going home? He got his security and his partner's managing with him. And one of his two Clutch Clan TSA guys is saying, nah, the prisoner entrance is over. You prisoner that way. And he didn't get that.

[Fat Joe]

I should have called Ben Crump. God damn it.

[Jada]

We could have had a whole 47.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Okay, wait.

[Fat Joe]

We could have had some shit.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

No, wait. Did that really happen?

[Fat Joe]

Yes.

[Jada]

And he didn't get mad as Hermes

[Fat Joe]

store shout out, hermes, I love you guys.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

No, but hold on. Because I want to come back in

[Fat Joe]

the process is a bit too much for me for this sale, but I do love you guys at Hermes.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

So what did you do? I ain't talking about our man.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, they ran. It was a lady there named Tanisha. Sister ran over so fast. She heard that. She said, we not like that. That's just him.

[Jada]

That was the.

[Fat Joe]

She knew I'm the mother. What's your man, Jimmy?

[Cheryl Swoopes]

What?

[Fat Joe]

Was my man from Wrestling the Mouth of the South, Jimmy Heart. She knew that. Got a podcast he ran over. Sis. Don't talk on the podcast, please. When I like this guy, don't go there. It's Tanisha. I said no Tanisha. I'm gonna make sure you out the smoke. But this guy right here, you know, I seen a picture of him. Cause we took a picture of him the other day. I'm looking through my phone, the airplane, you know. Cause I look at my phone when

[Jada]

the lawsuit's still available.

[Fat Joe]

Nah, I ain't fucking with that. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, I know about it.

[Jada]

I know it's just transferring lawsuits.

[Fat Joe]

How about let me give you a nice one.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

It is.

[Fat Joe]

But I do want to know.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

You said that you like it.

[Jada]

Oh, let her start. Let her try. I don't like her assessment. Please.

[Fat Joe]

I don't like it. Yeah, you tell me what you thought about that when he didn't respect.

[Jada]

That was the same thing, Coach Gino.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Oh, I let my feelings be known.

[Fat Joe]

All right. But I want to know.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

But let me. But you ain't answered my question yet.

[Fat Joe]

Uh huh. I feel horrible.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

But you didn't like it. What did you not like about it?

[Fat Joe]

You know what he made me feel like? He made me feel like, you know, we black and brown going to prison in line. I couldn't have just been a normal person who purchased the ticket. That's what he did to me. Then he doubled down on his shit enough where everybody and their mother ran over and was like, yo, I'm sorry about what? Holy shit. Like, I went on a plane. They opened the door back up.

[Jada]

I would have fired immediately. I would have said, I can't fly, Elizabeth. Uh huh. I would have took it to the max, all of that. I would have took it there.

[Fat Joe]

Listen, I'm good with letting somebody, some co worker who see this show come up to the band and be like, you know the guy. Look, it's the guy who's obviously one of the guys. Cause he was probably like a Archie Bunker. He do that shit every day. Yeah. You know, when you got that in you, you got that in you. You know what I'm saying? So you know, so what you thought about him not dapping up the coach?

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Well, first of all, I think the whole story of she didn't shake my hand before the game, all that. But she did. She did. But here's my question.

[Jada]

Maddie got his ass beat.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

That is true. But here's my Question. So what if she didn't shake your. It's a fuck. It's a handshake. It's a handshake. If you don't want to shake my hand, I'm cool with it. I'm a beat your ass and we'll keep it moving. Yes, but you got. You said you got that worked up over a handshake when at the end of the day, it was all about you got beat. But the part that really bothers me, though, is as a black person, in particular a black woman, we're always expected to take the higher road. We're always expected to just be like, oh, well, it's okay. We'll sweep it under the rug.

[Fat Joe]

Because if I had I went crazy in the airport, they would have made me the Animal on the 12 o' clock news. They would have been like, rapper going crazy in the airport. This. That. They would have did that to her.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Well, yeah, but my point is this. At some point, like, when do we say, like, enough is enough, though? It's just a question of conversation. Because I know dawn came out and, you know, she said, the season's over. It's time to turn the page. And I respect dawn for that. Like, I am ride or die. I'm always gonna hold it down for Dawn. But my thing is, like, I'm not ready to turn the page. I don't have to turn the page, but. Because that's what she does, I get all of that. I just. We're always making excuses for. Oh, well, Gino probably did this because.

[Fat Joe]

Ignorance.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Yeah. And I just. I thought it was so disrespectful. But in that moment, you took away one of the most special parts of a college athlete's career, and that's playing in the final four and they had just beaten an undefeated team. Like, let those young ladies enjoy that moment and stop making it about you, because it wasn't about you. It was about. Dawn had a better game plan. Right. And she out coached you in that game. And I'm not gonna sit up here and say, Geno's not a good coach. He's one of the best that's ever coached our game. But that moment alone, to me really put a stain on his coaching career.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, no, for sure. Fact, it was very ugly. And sometimes you can't apologize enough. Sometimes you already damn you on it like that.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Well, and my thing is, I would much rather you not even apologize based off of. That, though. But based off of that initial apology that you put out there where you didn't even call her name and say, I apologize to Dawn. Like, if that's the apology that you're putting out there, I don't want that.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, you know, we've been through some shit, but let me tell you something. Them 51 points you scored in that game, man, you had them dizzy. That game, man. What game? I seen the game. I'm looking at the Sheryl Swoop's highlight. He's a game. You score 51, right? Am I correct or I'm.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Well, I don't know what game you're talking about.

[Fat Joe]

How many? 51. What?

[Cheryl Swoopes]

It was 53, though.

[Jada]

It was three.

[Fat Joe]

53. And that's what I mean. You just shooting unconscious, bro. Like, that shit was crazy. I mean, to me, you know, to have a game like that. But, you know, this is what I was saying the other day. I don't want people to kill me. You want me on the podcast, you don't want me in the podcast. You want me to talk, not to talk. This Sheryl Swoopes with 53 is very, very understandable. Bam. Bam out the bio.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Don't do that, don't do that, don't do that, don't do that, don't do that.

[Jada]

Yo, Bam. I'm sorry, Bam. I don't.

[Fat Joe]

Bam.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

You know, I got mad love.

[Fat Joe]

You did not know the day before. Let me ask you a question, Cheryl. We being honest, right? The day before he scored 83, was it in your.

[Jada]

Your.

[Fat Joe]

What they call that board? Was it in there, what they call that? Was it in your bingo card that Bam, bam modifier was gonna score 83 the next day? No, but it wasn't on my bingo

[Cheryl Swoopes]

card that I wasn't gonna score 53 either.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but I knew you. But. But you can, and you're a superstar. Four time champion. Olympic. This, this, this, this. Bam. Bam out the bio. Yeah, he earned it out the bio.

[Jada]

Whoa.

[Fat Joe]

I said it the other day. People got upset with me because I'm like, it wasn't in my bingo card. Now, the top five. Who's on that top five list. Kobe, Willis, Reed, Kareem Abdul, Jabbar. This. These are all swirl swoops. These are names that you expect to score 53 and be on the top of the list disappointed in you. I got love for Bam.

[Jada]

He just said he's not capable of.

[Fat Joe]

No, he did.

[Jada]

Being the second highest scorer in NBA.

[Fat Joe]

Let me tell you. And let me tell you what I did. Just to let you know, after I said that shit, I went back and watched that whole Game again. I watched it originally, the last. The fourth quarter. I went back, he came, he was pulling. He came up. I think it's first shot.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Game was I think in the middle. I forgot who were they playing?

[Fat Joe]

You know, they might have had J. Cole on that team. You agree?

[Cheryl Swoopes]

I do, yeah.

[Jada]

I don't know what this guy's doing.

[Fat Joe]

83 is 83.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

That's hard.

[Fat Joe]

That's hard to do what this teams can't score 83. I'm just saying maybe a little more defense or something perhaps.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Well, that's not his fault.

[Fat Joe]

No, it's not.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

That's just like I get upset when people talk about all of Angel Reese's offensive rebounds. Well, box her ass out.

[Fat Joe]

I love it.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

If you don't want her to rebound, box her out. Angel is doing exactly what she's supposed to do. I'm going to go rebound because I know y' all can't stop it.

[Jada]

Joeandjadashow.com we got new merch, fresh off the presses. Go get it big out of big bomb throwing. Jadishow.com you can get these. Little cold for a T shirt with a hoodie right there.

[Fat Joe]

I need an extra large [e-mail]. go there. Get it.

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[Fat Joe]

It's Angel. Aja is Angel.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

What?

[Fat Joe]

Aja.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Oh, no. Asia.

[Jada]

Asia.

[Fat Joe]

That's a boyfriend. Nobody listen.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Nobody. Nobody in the league is Asian.

[Jada]

Asia is Asia.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Asia is Asia. Asia is her. She's a prop for real.

[Fat Joe]

Sheryl Swoopes. What's up? Top five WNBA players of all time.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Top five WNBA players of all time

[Jada]

favorites because you over there. So you ain't.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Am I putting myself in or no?

[Jada]

No.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Okay. I'm not putting myself in.

[Jada]

You already on the man.

[Fat Joe]

We don't do that. We top five.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

I'm putting myself in or no.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, you already.

[Jada]

You already grandfathered in.

[Fat Joe]

Fucking pull yourself. Fucking. She want to put.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Okay. Lisa Leslie, Cynthia Cooper, Diana Taurasi, Tina Thompson.

[Jada]

One more.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

I know I hear somebody saying Maya. I love Maya. I'll tell you why. I'm not putting her there.

[Jada]

Oh, we love that 1800s.

[Fat Joe]

Well, top five.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Lauren Jackson.

[Fat Joe]

Lauren Jackson.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

You don't even know who that is.

[Fat Joe]

I'm not familiar with when I was going to the wnb. I've been going to the WNBA since day one. I was the only guy in the audience they Looking at me like I'm crazy.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Yeah, yeah. Cut that shit out.

[Fat Joe]

Stop that. You can throw the flag. You ain't got a hippie in the face.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

I ain't hit you. I did not hit you in the face.

[Jada]

Find the footage when he was the only person at the wnba.

[Fat Joe]

I'm telling you. I'm telling you. There was a time when I was going to the WNBA where men were scarce in there. That sounds very scary.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

That's different.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, thank you for supporting our sport. It was so. It wasn't like it. No, no. But back then it was.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

They do. Yes, they do.

[Fat Joe]

Back then was Witherspoon, Sue Bird, what's my girl? Becky Hammond. They was all get busy out there. Like, I've been a WNBA fan. I did.

[Jada]

You don't got one of these. Google the pics. You got hoodie.

[Fat Joe]

When did it start? When you were the first WNBA?

[Cheryl Swoopes]

97.

[Fat Joe]

Go find a picture of me in 97 in the WNBHC of our life. You take all your flags back.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

No, no, but you said. You said you were the only man.

[Jada]

This why we win in the court of law. What did he say?

[Cheryl Swoopes]

That he was the only man at WNBA game. I rest my case, your honor.

[Fat Joe]

Object, object. I'm talking in theory, context.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Who was your favorite Liberty player?

[Fat Joe]

I used to love Witherspoon. I love Witherspoon. I loved. Well, now I love Sabrina.

[Jada]

I love Sabrina. I love John Quell. I love the other,

[Cheryl Swoopes]

but. Cause you said back in the day you were the only man. So I'm just asking.

[Fat Joe]

One of the only.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

I got spoon.

[Jada]

Get him, mama.

[Fat Joe]

What's the name? Becky Hammond. A couple of them. Like. I used to love all Hammond was on the living. Yeah, that's when she early, though, right? Earlier, before coaching.

[Jada]

Way before we.

[Fat Joe]

But I would agree with two of your top five. See, if I made my list, you'd be in it. But it's Lisa.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

You told me I couldn't put myself.

[Jada]

Lisa Leslie was different in your own list, but you can. Lisa Leslie.

[Fat Joe]

Was she the first woman to dunk?

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Mm.

[Fat Joe]

She was different.

[Jada]

Definitely.

[Fat Joe]

Lisa Leslie was different.

[Jada]

She's definitely in the Rushmore for me.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

She's on mine too, huh? No, she's on Mount Rushmore.

[Fat Joe]

She's on your Mount Rushmore? Yeah, she's under for sure. What was it like when you seen her dunk for the first time? Did you see it like in practice or you saw live? You watching a game? Espn. And you seen the dunk? What the hell?

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Well, I seen her dunk before, like the Olympic team, like in practice and stuff.

[Fat Joe]

So I knew y' all knew she

[Cheryl Swoopes]

could dunk, but for me, it was like it's a matter of time before she does it in the game. Yeah, like Lisa. Lisa is really, really like that. You know, when you talk about, like, the WNBA today and the growth of the game, no doubt about it, like, the talent level is there today. But the thing that bothers me is when people tend to forget, like, there have been players that have come through this league, like Alisa Leslie, that was the first to do it. But you know, I'm saying no. The. The sponsorships, the brand deals, the opportunities, like all the eyes, like it wasn't like it is today. But I will say we sold arenas

[Fat Joe]

out all the time.

[Jada]

Facts.

[Fat Joe]

But let me explain something to you, right? When they gave Magic Johnson a million dollars, they put him on the COVID of Time. Now you got a bum making 239 million that he don't even play.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Fact.

[Fat Joe]

There's guys that don't even play, they make 200 something million. And it's crazy. You can't even compare. I had a hit, number one in the country. Flojo. I was getting 500 a show. I was doing three shows on Friday. I was hustling my ass off to make 1500. What are you talking about, brother? Is that 1800 touched the cerebellum in a different way.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

It touched his.

[Fat Joe]

What? You know, I'm fried. Cheryl, if nobody is your publicist here, they didn't warn you that I'm fried. I'm fried, huh? Don't mind me.

[Jada]

How you feel about. How you feel about the. The new expansion teams coming to the door.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Oh, I love it. Love it.

[Fat Joe]

Well, so put that AC back on. Put that AC back on. Cause every time you either you put it on, it's the back of my neck. You Turk it off. She's sweating bullets. Put the AC back on. I'm gonna be a gentleman about this.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Cause I was a lady when I seen no.

[Fat Joe]

Cause that chick was cold as fuck. One second.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

It felt good to me, though.

[Fat Joe]

That's all right. Coming back maybe that 18 make it up.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Well, you know, so this season we'll have Tarana, Toronto, and Portland, which I'm happy about as far as hell.

[Jada]

Portland.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

And then we have T. What year do we get? Philly, Detroit and Cleveland? 29 and 30. So those three.

[Fat Joe]

Wow.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

And T. Who do we get next year?

[Jada]

Houston. Next year, baby.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Saying that because Houston comes at the expense of my Connecticut son, which is the team That I work for.

[Jada]

Oh, Sons gonna. Sons is over. Commons come.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Yeah. I ain't saying why.

[Fat Joe]

So they moving to Houston.

[Jada]

Take the plays from the south.

[Fat Joe]

Connecticut ain't. Yeah, Connecticut, you know, that's like the Brooklyn Giants went over there.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

I do, too. Yeah. I do, too. Cheers.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but they talking about the change going to come. They talking about the fluidity. If Joel Osteen could sell out that stadium every weekend, you guys got a good chance over there with the Commons. Connecticut, they ain't got that type of fluidity out there.

[Jada]

They losing money at the casino. They didn't lose money. Finish. Did you say.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Did you say if Joel Osteen could sell at the church?

[Fat Joe]

Joel Osteen sells out every weekend in Houston. A stadium every weekend.

[Jada]

And his wife.

[Fat Joe]

I was just in Houston, and I wanted to. I swear to God, I almost stood an extra day to go to Joel Osteen. Joel Osteen, my favorite man.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Your favorite? Your favorite what?

[Jada]

Favorite, what favorite?

[Fat Joe]

Pastor Joel.

[Jada]

Called him out of revving, bowling, everything.

[Fat Joe]

You know how much trouble Joel Osteen got me out of? You know how many times the guy was going to the parking spot, the guy cut me off, like. And I'm. And I'm like, joel says to chill, baby. God got you. God got a better spot for you. I fucking love Joel Olston. If you look at Joel Osteen's Instagram, I like every picture.

[Jada]

I love Joel Ostenstin.

[Fat Joe]

You can't.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Cannot.

[Jada]

I'm telling you, one of the bowling. Every rapping I ever experienced. I'm sorry for this.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jada]

Jake, Creflo, Mace. Everybody got some nerve.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Yeah. Wait a minute. Did you put Creflo in it?

[Jada]

Creflo, everybody.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, y' all gotta watch that movie. Honk if youf See Jesus.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Oh, my God.

[Fat Joe]

When you see that movie, come back and talk to me.

[Jada]

No, that was. I want to ask her a serious question. Did your brothers make you tougher? Did they prepare you for real shit?

[Fat Joe]

Yes, sir. We got you.

[Jada]

They help you. They help you get ready to be,

[Cheryl Swoopes]

you know, no doubt.

[Jada]

No crying in basketball.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Yeah. Yeah. My. Yeah. Like, I didn't like my brothers. I love them.

[Jada]

I mean, they did.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Yeah. I didn't like them. Every time they left to go play ball, I was, like, right behind them because my mom didn't want me to play. She was like, oh, that's for boys, and you're gonna get hurt. And I was like, mama, I gotta go. So my brothers would always say to me, don't you dare cry. If you get hurt if you fall. You better not cry.

[Fat Joe]

And I was like, that was words of wisdom.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

But I was like, why can't I cry if I get hurt? And they were like, because we'll get in trouble if you cry and Mama finds out, we're gonna get in trouble. But where I grew up, there were never a lot of girls that wanted to play basketball. So I grew up in Brownfield, Texas, West Texas. We had a place we called Tiger bowl, so it was across the tracks. Every Sunday after church, we would walk home, change clothes, and we would walk back, cross the tracks to go play in the Tiger Bowl. It was just an outside court, no nets, and I was the only girl that was playing. So it was my brothers and then just a lot of. Just a lot of dudes that played. And that's where I learned how to play basketball. Like, the toughness that I got was from playing with all of those dudes. And, you know, I always tell people when I watch basketball, even today, I think the women's game, like, fundamentally, I think we're better because we really spend the time working on our craft, like the ball handling and the shooting, and that's why we have really good shooters. But it's just natural that men are gonna be tougher, stronger, they're gonna jump higher, they're gonna be quicker. And so when I played against the guys, those were things that I really worked on, like, on defense. And honestly, I think that's why I was a really good defender, because I always went and played against the guys because I knew they were going to jump higher than me, so I had to be able to stay in front of them. I knew they were quicker. I had to be able to box them out. That's where I really think I became the player that I was.

[Fat Joe]

You know what's crazy is the last game I played, 1770,

[Cheryl Swoopes]

They didn't let you. No, no, no, no. Wait a minute.

[Fat Joe]

No, because I'm about to. Can I explain? Can I.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Yes, please do. Let him explain. Yeah, come on, explain. Come on, Joe, explain.

[Jada]

Hey, Levy. Scorcher.

[Fat Joe]

You might.

[Jada]

That just hurt me.

[Fat Joe]

Go ahead, take your shot.

[Jada]

Go ahead.

[Fat Joe]

What I'm trying to explain is, okay, this one thing you play in the game, you shoot, you score. When I tell you, every time I try to shoot, all five guys, all sides of the court, jump so high in the air, they refuse to let me. They were swinging at that like, yo. Like, they did not want me to get a basket. They were in that air, like, I remember was flying up to the circle. It was like, yo, we're not gonna let Fat Joe score. Why? I don't know. Maybe because I'm a rapper or something. But I'm trying to tell you, look what I remember shooting.

[Jada]

I need you to come.

[Fat Joe]

And all five players jumping up in the air like, listen, I need you

[Jada]

to come out of retirement.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Yeah.

[Jada]

And I need them before while my knees still got fluidity. I need to get in the Celebrity All Star Game. NBA. If I could still let that go.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Yeah, let's go.

[Jada]

They told me I had to do something with Lethal Shooter.

[Fat Joe]

I had to go.

[Jada]

I had to do charity. And I did everything they told me to do. I did. I paid my ties to the church. That was it. And you still haven't been in, hopefully this year they call me.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Let's go.

[Jada]

I only got another. It's only about 18 months.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

I'm gonna be courtside for that one.

[Jada]

Yeah.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Joe, you played in the Celebrity All Star Game.

[Fat Joe]

I coached him one every time by 40. You don't know. I'm a legendary coach. Wait a minute, wait.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

You coached and won by 40 every time.

[Fat Joe]

3. Basketball. I am the number one winningest coach at the Rucker in the history of mankind. All right, the 17 chances.

[Jada]

Hard Rock bet.

[Fat Joe]

Hard Rock bet in the NBA. In the NBA, they look to coach two celebrity basketball games. And I won by 40 points both times. They don't want me to coach. I was in jail and I coached the team. They were the Bad News bear. They were dribbling like this. And I went and almost won the chip. They sent me home. They was like, yes. The motherfucker couldn't even dribble. I felt bad for the mother motherfucker working the kitchen with me every Saturday, I dribbling. Oh, my God, let me tell you something.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

And you let him dribble.

[Fat Joe]

Like, I got friends that go to jail for a living.

[Jada]

And they gave me, like, Hard Rock back.

[Fat Joe]

They gave me, like, the 10 jail commandments. And one of them was like, don't argue about basketball. Don't get into basketball. Don't play basketball. Cause that's where the fights happen. Somebody fire you, you fight. You argue over the Knicks.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

You.

[Fat Joe]

This, this, this. I had a pamphlet. I couldn't take it. Every Saturday morning, I walked out there, them guys was getting beat by 10,000. They was dribbling like this. So I went out there and I

[Jada]

said, you stand here.

[Fat Joe]

You stand there. You, here. You cut. When the guy did, they wind up winning. Start winning every game. Now the nice guys join Our team, they thought it was like a rocker in that motherfucker. We start winning every game. I didn't. I got to the chip, but they let me home. Thank God. A week before the chip. But I don't lose.

[Jada]

Just don't let me stay active.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Listen. Fact. That's all.

[Fat Joe]

And I. That's.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

That's all.

[Fat Joe]

Just last week I coached the game. Just last week I coached the game.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

That's all coaching.

[Fat Joe]

What?

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Yes, you are.

[Fat Joe]

That's all coaching.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

I know.

[Fat Joe]

Just last week I coached the game. They had like a Jordan. Puerto Rican. They got a young Puerto Rican rapper. He's threatening me. We beat that ass by 40.

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[Jada]

I don't play that Hard Rock back.

[Fat Joe]

All right.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

What happened to Hard Rock?

[Fat Joe]

Bet he wants the Hard Rock back.

[Jada]

Draft seven now of the wnba. Early predictions. Who you think gonna win this year? Just ball.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Well, I mean, the Aces are the defending champions, so you can't ever go against them. I really. If New York can stay healthy. I like New York, but I'm going to tell you a team and I said this last year, but they had so many injuries. Indiana Fever.

[Jada]

Indiana.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

They. They got the pieces.

[Fat Joe]

Okay.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

And they did really good in the draft.

[Fat Joe]

Okay. No, no, no, no. I'm fucking with you. Don't mind me. Don't mind me. This is the menopause. This is the reverse.

[Jada]

Men. Clark could stay healthy for one whole season. She got a shot at mvp.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

At mvp.

[Jada]

That means.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Fat Joe]

So Caitlyn Clark won't have a shot at mvp.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

What it means. No, I didn't say it like that because here's what it means to me. She gotta go and take it from Asia Wilson.

[Jada]

Cause Asia's the take, okay?

[Fat Joe]

Cause Asia is the real deal.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

And Asia ain't just gonna let it go like that.

[Fat Joe]

But I would say the light skinned

[Jada]

girl, her feast is hurt.

[Fat Joe]

She's hurt.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

She'll be back, but I don't know how healthy she'll be. Fee's really good. But my. I would say Asia for sure is. I absolutely think if Caitlyn can stay healthy, I think Caitlyn has a really good shot. I don't. I don't know. I don't know. What. What's going on with Stewie?

[Jada]

I was just about to say.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

What's going on with Stewie?

[Fat Joe]

Stewie's good man. Real fucking good. She come from over there. Connecticut. Well, she played college in Connecticut.

[Jada]

Yeah, you kind of come from upstate New York.

[Fat Joe]

No, Stewie's really good. No, she dead nice. And I'm gonna say something right here. Caitlin Clark is dead nice.

[Jada]

She gotta be healthy.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, yo.

[Jada]

On the street, her best ability is available.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Say it again.

[Fat Joe]

Her best ability is availability. No doubt, with the fluidity to have the nuity.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Here's why I think Indiana has a really good shot to win a championship, because you re signed Kelsey Mitchell, which to me, was perfect. Kelsey Mitchell is the truth. She is. You got Aaliyah, Boston, you got Caitlin, if she can stay healthy. Lexi Hall, I think, is a key part of what they do defensively.

[Jada]

She's like they dream up.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

I absolutely loved their draft pick, Raven Johnson. Ravenson, because I think Raven's a true point guard.

[Jada]

Facts.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

And to me, one of the best parts of Caitlin's game is her passing ability. But I think when she's playing off the ball, she's more effective, is when she is really good at scoring. And Raven Johnson running the point can move Caitlin off the ball and. Cause when Caitlin has the ball in her hands, everybody just kind of stands around and they're like, let's see what she's gonna do when she's playing off the ball. And you have a true point guard like Raven, there's gonna be a lot of movement. You gotta guard Caitlin, Kelsey, Aaliyah, whoever that fourth player's gonna be. Yeah, I like the pieces that they got. They will absolutely make some noise.

[Fat Joe]

Let me tell you something. I'm going to where I always go with the liberty. And that's a hard Rock bet. My liberty. It get busy. We picked up my liberty.

[Jada]

Look at man say that.

[Fat Joe]

My liberty. And that's a Hard rock bet. Y' all listen. My liberty. That's a Hard Rock bar. That's the top five. Dead or alive. My liberty is dead. Nice. We picked up great pickup this year.

[Jada]

Taboo.

[Fat Joe]

She gets busy, man.

[Jada]

I like her. She's the better sister.

[Fat Joe]

And we beat Asia. We beat Asia two, three years ago.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Well, Asia beat y'.

[Fat Joe]

All. Yeah. But I just want you to know, it ain't like she's four chips in a row.

[Jada]

She's beatable.

[Fat Joe]

She's beatable. I'm just trying to take my liberty. They don't play that shit. You know what I'm saying? Then we got the best mascot in the whole fucking league.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Yeah, Ellie. Ellie ain't no joke.

[Fat Joe]

Ellie, get busy, huh? Yeah, Ellie, do you know who Ellie is inside the con.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Don't be telling nobody.

[Jada]

I don't want to know.

[Fat Joe]

Do you know? I'm just asking. Do you know?

[Cheryl Swoopes]

I don't know.

[Fat Joe]

Do you know?

[Cheryl Swoopes]

I don't. I know.

[Jada]

I like it. I like it. I like.

[Fat Joe]

Legendary.

[Jada]

Listen, Ellie's a rap.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

You said you don't want to know. Don't be telling.

[Fat Joe]

Don't be telling nobody.

[Jada]

Gangster rapper inside the.

[Fat Joe]

She's the best. I know. I know.

[Jada]

He don't know.

[Fat Joe]

I know. Nah, nah, nah. I'mma fuck the whole shit up.

[Jada]

It's not good.

[Fat Joe]

But I know who Ellie is.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Don't tell it. Don't tell it.

[Fat Joe]

I know who Ellie is, but Ellie's the best mascot in the motherfucker, hands down.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Hands down.

[Fat Joe]

Cheryl, what's the name of your podcast?

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Levels to this.

[Fat Joe]

Levels to this.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Levels to this.

[Fat Joe]

I love that name.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

And it's just Tareka and I just talking about all the different levels. Shit that women go through

[Jada]

next to Julie. Set it up. Julie. Julie. We're going on their podcast, scheduling it.

[Fat Joe]

He full of shit, so just know.

[Jada]

Set it up. I'm giving you our word.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Yeah, Yeah. I like that.

[Jada]

Our word.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

I like that. Yes.

[Fat Joe]

Let me ask you a question. NBA.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

What are your predictions? Out the east, out the west. Ooh, Hard rock. That kid is on his hard rock. Hard rock.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

What'd you say? I haven't been watching the NBA.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, I take that. I take that also. Look at his face.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

I'm just like. No disrespect to anybody. I just.

[Fat Joe]

Damn. I thought you was just addicted to basketball, like.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

No, I love basketball.

[Fat Joe]

Well, you watching now that you retired, Are you watching Jeopardy?

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Paradise. Paradise is paradise.

[Fat Joe]

I didn't understand Beauty and Black. Have you seen the Imperfect Woman yet with Kerry Washington? I got you. I got you. I'm gonna love that shit.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

I don't think I've seen that one.

[Fat Joe]

I'm telling you, Imperfect Woman on Apple TV with Kerry Washington.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Okay? That's on my ass.

[Fat Joe]

That's that shit.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

I'm watching that.

[Fat Joe]

You know how perfect women go? You kill a husband, the husband kill a wife. Everybody going after the will.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

The same shit.

[Fat Joe]

I'm tired of Lifetime channel, okay? I could do this blind. They could throw on a show in Lifetime. I could pause it and be like, all right, the husband killed the wife, or the wife killed the husband. Somebody's going after the money.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Yeah, Lifetime. Yeah. That's all Lifetime is.

[Fat Joe]

I don't know. I didn't watch that shit all day.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

You know, Netflix on Sunday put out some stats.

[Fat Joe]

You know, Breakfast Club. Salute. Breakfast Club. They were number one. We were number. They got like, 50.

[Jada]

I don't know the numbers. Okay, I'm gonna tell you, all right.

[Fat Joe]

In Netflix standings right now, the Breakfast Club was number one. Number two was Bridgington. You know, that's the number one show in the world. They got the actors. Number three was How I Kill My Husband. This shit is on that lifetime. This is three podcasts. Number four was Peter Davidson. Number five was Joe and Jada.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Not bad for the rookies of the year.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Yeah. Let's go.

[Fat Joe]

Top five, Dead or alive.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

Yeah. Top five.

[Fat Joe]

Cheers.

[Jada]

I want to be number one.

[Cheryl Swoopes]

I'm toasting to y' all being top five.

[Fat Joe]

We number one everywhere else. Hold up. I got it. Y' all trying to get me twisty. I got my last little bit. White. 1800, girl.

[Jada]

1800.

[Fat Joe]

This ain't that.

[Jada]

That ain't this.

[Fat Joe]

Cracking Kiss.

[Jada]

Make some noise for Cheryl.

[Fat Joe]

Sn. Candy. That's up.

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