Joe and Jada - Tamar Braxton on Fat Joe's APOLOGY for Toni-Birdman rumor, Cash Money Verzuz, reality TV

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Joe and Jada — Tamar Braxton on Fat Joe’s APOLOGY for Toni-Birdman Rumor, Cash Money Verzuz, Reality TV

Podcast: The Herd with Colin Cowherd (Joe & Jada Show segment)
Episode Date: January 2, 2026
Host(s): Fat Joe (“Joe Crack the Don”), Jada
Guest: Tamar Braxton

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Main Theme

This episode features a vibrant, candid conversation between Fat Joe, Jada, and Tamar Braxton. The focus is on family, loyalty, respect in relationships, the realities of celebrity and reality TV, Fat Joe’s public apology regarding a rumor about Toni Braxton and Birdman, and Tamar’s musical journey, including her new album and short film. The hosts and Tamar also discuss dynamics of respect between men and women—particularly in the context of success, reality television’s cultural influence, and the evolution of R&B.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Family Bonds & “The Black Sheep”

• Tamar reflects on being the youngest and “the black sheep” among her four sisters and brother, crediting her hustle to Toni Braxton.
  • “I think I got it from Tony. I got a lot of my hustle from Tony.” — Tamar (05:11)

2. Fat Joe’s Public Apology (Toni Braxton & Birdman Rumor)

• Fat Joe apologizes for repeating a rumor about Toni Braxton and Birdman divorcing (05:15–06:03).
  • “I want to apologize to you and your sister because that wasn't accurate… That wasn’t fair.” — Fat Joe (05:41)
• Tamar explains her role in supporting family during the Cash Money Verzuz battle, clarifying she introduced Toni to Birdman and dismissing false rumors (06:09–07:37).
  • “That's my brother in real life. I introduced Toni and Brian.” — Tamar (06:18)
  • “We not dirty birds. We don’t do that.” — Tamar (07:46)

3. Verzuz Battles & Legacy in Hip Hop/R&B

• Joe and Tamar reminisce about the energy of the Cash Money 'Verzuz', likening it to a boxing match for legacies (06:34–07:17).
  • “You protecting your legacy.” — Fat Joe (07:15)

4. Reality TV & Authenticity

• Fat Joe admits he’s not a fan of reality TV but always watched The Braxtons, rooting for Tamar.
  • “I've always watched the Braxtons. What made you want to watch the Braxtons? You. … I was rooting for you the whole time.” — Fat Joe (08:20–08:45)
• Tamar acknowledges her relatability to audiences as stemming from her reality TV roots and “hood” background, contrasting Toni’s more traditional industry path (20:07–20:55).
  • “I'm still like Tamar from the hood … I think that is something that I never really strayed away from because I still do reality television and a lot of it.” — Tamar (20:55)

5. Women’s Success, Respect, and Relationship Power Dynamics

• Deep discussion on women earning “the bag,” men feeling emasculated, and the importance of mutual respect (13:28–14:16, 17:32–18:49).
  • “Even if you’re not holding the bag as a man, you gotta figure out what your position is in her life… she do want her to protect her, support her, be her biggest cheerleader.” — Tamar (16:54)
  • “The respect factor ... that’s what it’s all about. Respect.” — Fat Joe (14:16)
• Both Fat Joe and Tamar share stories about relationships where a woman’s success intimidated a partner; Tamar admits to having “sonned” exes and the regret that comes with it (44:48–45:18).
  • “I used to son the fuck out of him…that’s not a good feeling.” — Tamar (45:07)

6. Top Five Singers and R&B Musical Influence

• Tamar and the hosts name their favorite singers and discuss the impact of R&B on culture (21:03–31:03).
  • Tamar’s topline picks: Mariah Carey, Tank, Beyoncé, Kim Burrell, Darrell Walls
  • Joe’s picks: Luther Vandross, Mary J. Blige, Patti LaBelle, Stephanie Mills, Babyface, Keith Sweat
• They discuss the enduring appeal and performance style of R&B legends, with humorous commentary on “pop pop” vibes at older artists’ concerts.

7. Tamar’s New Projects: Heartbreak Retrograde

• Tamar discusses her upcoming movie/musical project and how it centers on accountability for infidelity in relationships—her own story (40:30–46:22).
  • “This album is about the female version of taking accountability for infidelity.” — Tamar (40:50)
  • Plays the new single “Love Me.” The song thematically explores missing a past love, apologizing, and learning from mistakes (49:24–52:04).
  • “That's mean, taking accountability.” — Joe (52:43)
  • The accompanying short film is available on Tamar’s YouTube (53:08).

8. Industry Ownership and Independence

• Tamar and Joe champion owning masters and releasing music independently, criticizing major labels for sidelining artists as “old school” (65:05–66:38).
  • “I’ve been putting out my own music for 15 years.” — Joe (65:48)
  • “It means a lot to me.” — Tamar (65:01)

9. Women Dominating R&B

• Discussion of contemporary R&B’s female dominance (Summer Walker, SZA, Mariah the Scientist). Joe notes women “stepping on dudes bad” musically (56:46–57:48).
  • “Once you got the bag, you could talk with them… the respect level goes down the drain to these dudes.” — Tamar (57:51)

10. Rapid-Fire: Pop Culture, Old Age, and Respect

• The trio riff on the generational changes in relationships, “pop pop” vibes, and the pressures of staying “uncorny” as they age (38:16–39:02).
  • Humor about staying youthful despite the years, and Tamar’s reluctance toward “pop pop” men.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [05:41] “I want to apologize to you and your sister because that wasn't accurate… That wasn’t fair.” — Fat Joe, on Birdman/Toni Braxton divorce rumor
• [07:46] “No, we not dirty birds. We don’t do that. You know what I’m saying?” — Tamar, shutting down rumors
• [13:28] “One of the qualities about me when I am with the man is that I know how to upgrade him…but I want him to walk in the room and feel like he know he the one.” — Tamar
• [16:54] “Even if you're not holding the bag as a man, you gotta figure out what your position is in her life.” — Tamar
• [44:48] “In that situation, I did have the bag, right? And he felt insecure… I used to son the f** out of him… and that's not a good feeling.”* — Tamar
• [52:43] “Just taking accountability. Nobody want to take accountability.” — Joe, on Tamar’s new song
• [56:46] “That Summer Walker album…they stepping on dudes bad.” — Fat Joe

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 05:15 — Fat Joe apologizes about the Toni/Birdman rumor
• 06:09 — Tamar sets the record straight, family loyalty
• 13:28–14:16 — Debate on empowering partners and respect in relationships
• 17:32–18:49 — Value of safety, protection, and non-material support in relationships
• 21:03 — Tamar names favorite singers
• 40:30–41:52 — Tamar breaks down her new project “Heartbreak Retrograde” and discusses taking accountability
• 49:24–52:04 — Plays “Love Me”; deep dive on apologizing and growth
• 56:46 — Women dominating R&B conversation
• 65:01–66:38 — Independent music ownership discussion

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Tone and Style

The conversation is unfiltered, funny, and robust—balancing vulnerability (Tamar on accountability and relationships) with gregarious storytelling (Fat Joe), industry critique, and cultural commentary. The interplay is marked by mutual respect, wild anecdotes, real talk about celebrity life, and plenty of inside-joke energy.

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Conclusion

This episode is a standout for its blend of heartfelt admissions, humor, industry war stories, and sharp observations on how reality, success, and respect intersect for Black celebrities—especially women. Tamar Braxton shines as both the candid storyteller and the reflective artist. The discussion will resonate with fans of reality TV, music culture, and anyone interested in how public narratives and personal growth collide.

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Transcript

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I like a hood dude.

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They gotta have some money or you just want a hood dude, you know.

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I mean, he gotta be able to hold his own, you know, I like a man that want to show me all and hood dudes like that.

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Yeah, they do, but, you know, they gotta come with something.

[B]

I didn't say that guy can't come through the. Didn't he just hear me say he.

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Got that ass on? Ass on they got coming. Yeah. Yeah. What up, y'? All? This is Joe Crack the dog. You know who it is. Your boy Jada. This is the Joe and Jada Show. Every show legendary, every show iconic, and we are crushing shit. It is today's guest. When you think of today's guest, you think of family. Family. There we go, Joe. I'm with you. I'm with you. Definitely think of family. You think of somebody that can sing if you're from the hood. You know, his singing and his. Hit him with the A N G. Think a great actress. Think of reality. You think of just family driven. Big family, A lot of sisters, lot of powerful sisters. Good background, good cooking. Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for our guest, Tamar Braxton. That was good.

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That was good.

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Nice. It's safe to say the black sheep of the family, correct?

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Yeah, I think so.

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The baby.

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The youngest.

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Youngest. How many sisters altogether?

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Four sisters. Have a brother.

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Four sisters. You're the baby.

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The youngest.

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Youngest. Youngest. So. And you're the black sheep most motivated. Yeah, I'm like that, too, in my family.

[B]

Really?

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Find another motherfucker like me in my family. Well, no, no, I'm dead ass. I'm with my. I'm coming up on the plane with my favorite aunt, Titi Barber. You know, I took her down to Miami with me. She come back and we talking. I'm like, I'm trying to find somebody else like me in my family. If only I had somebody else that want to move like Me and want to conquer the world. I can't find one. And your family, you are definitely the one.

[B]

And I think I got it from Tony. I got a lot of my hustle from Tony.

[A]

Yeah, Tony Bragg, this thing. Yo, Tony. Yo, See something. I gotta apologize because when we started the show, it was like the mother guys, you know what I'm saying? So I was. I was listening to the radio on my way down there, and they said her and Birdman caught a divorce or whatever. And I actually said it on here and I told them, don't say. They said, don't say.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. But I heard the whole radio saying the shit in the morning. Show this official, this, this, that. And I said some bullshit. I just said, yo, they got divorced, whatever. But I want to apologize to you and your sister because that wasn't accurate. And especially when I saw the verses. I seen him running call up and I said, I guess I'm on.

[B]

Hold on.

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How was it? Because you was in the middle of it.

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I didn't mean to be in the middle of it.

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I was. You did.

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I was showing up for my brother because he needed. And he asked me to be there and Tony asked me to be there because she couldn't be there. But it was iconic. It was amazing. You know, I love seeing him because that's my brother in real life. Like, I introduced Tony and Brian.

[A]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

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And Brian Birdman is. I never called him Brian in my life. Yo. I never called you by your birthday. Your birth certificate says Birdman on motherfucking Birdman. You know what I'm saying?

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Well, to the world, he's Birdman. To me, that's my brother Brian, who's my brother in law.

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Oh, doubt, right. And I love the love that you gave him and the affection you gave. I understood that, okay. 1 billion percent. Like, you know, people was weird about it, but I was like, nah, fuck that. That man ride for them, she gonna ride for. You know, that verse is different. You know this guy's the king of verses, right? But that verses, let me tell you something. When Birdman told your sister, mama, I was fighting, yo, that shit. Cause you in that versus and you throw out a hit and another guy hit you with another one, boom. It felt like a real boxing match. Like, you really in there and you protecting your legacy.

[B]

Yeah.

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People don't realize once you run in that arena, it's like, all right, like this. We're fighting for our legacy up in there. So I understood his motivation behind it. But I also respected, you know, you standing up for your brother. I knew what it was. You didn't even have to explain that to me. But there's some people, you know, don't know where.

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It's weird. Very weird. Like, I think that I heard that I dated him first, which is preposterous.

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Yeah, we ain't.

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I dated him, and I'm gonna introduce him to my sister. No, we not dirty birds. We don't do that. You know what I'm saying?

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You know, he got Toni Braxton, you know. Yeah. Y' all got a special family over there, man. Yeah, very special. You know, I'm not a fan of reality tv. I don't know if I ever said that before, but I'm not. And I.

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But why?

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I was in jail, man. And I seen Peter Guns on the screen, and I went back into my cell, I almost cried. You know, he a real. From the street, shout out to guns 100. And, you know, in jail, they watching the love and hip hop shit.

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Yeah.

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And I seen them, and I just walked right back to my cell. I was like, damn, they got my boy Peter. But, you know, it did good for him or whatever. Now he's the host of Cheetahs. So I just think that definitely. I take back. Well, I'm not big on that, but I've always watched the Braxtons. Oh, really? Yeah. Always been.

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What made you want to watch the Braxtons?

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You. And, you know, I'm a big Tony fan.

[B]

Yeah, right.

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But really, you. Because I was rooting for you the whole time. I was like. And then your ex husband, I was like, yo, man, give her a fucking hit, man. Give her. I'm screaming at the TV like, give her a hit. I understand. I think. Is there not to point him out? Because he's a cool dude.

[B]

Yeah, that's my family, too. That's my baby daddy cousin.

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That's your baby daddy cousin. So he cool as fuck.

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They cool.

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But I was like, you know, a lot of times when women get with super producers and all that and they stars, for some reason, the guy never really slide them to hit. Right.

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He don't. And we used to beef up.

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We could do this over and over again. We not talking about just you. I don't want to start the shit, but I see it all the time. I'm like, damn, Give her a hit. Nuclear misruquence. He had missed her. Yes. But the man did. He was doing what he was doing. Biggest hits you ever heard in your fucking life. He could have Said, hold up this lean backs for her. You know, he could have did that. That's the. But me being in the business, being artist driven, artist friendly, like I said, I relate to you. I feel like I'm the black sheep of my family. I was like, give it a fucking hit, nigga. Give it a hit. I'm screaming at.

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And you know what? Shout out to Vince. Cause he did.

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Wow.

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He really went out of his way. Love and war was massive.

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One of the. We gotta play that at some time before we gotta play. That's one really an R B guy right here. Really, Right. But he.

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I think most hood dudes are like rb. Like guys. Yeah, I like a hood dude. Yeah. Cause they, like. I do always have.

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Yeah, yeah, I do. They gotta have some money or you just want a hood dude.

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They gotta have the. You know, the razzle dazzle, the thing. You know the thing.

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You know what I mean?

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He gotta be able to hold his own, you know? I like a man that want to show me off. And hood dudes like that.

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Yeah, they do. But you know, they gotta come with something.

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I didn't say they can't come through the table. Didn't he just hear me say he got that ass on.

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Ass on that shit? Gotta. They gotta come with something. Cause it's either you gotta do with money. Most of these dudes is lame. You can keep that to yourself. But most these dudes is lame. Like when niggas is seven foot tall, doing the fucking square fet with the fucking. All these bullshit, whatever them shits, it. The little dance. That shit. Niggas was doing the Dougie in the club. I was like, nah, come on, bro. Y' all gotta be like the dance track or you get a hood dude. They ain't got no money, ain't got no sense. But he know, you know, I have a friend, very. I have a lot of them.

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Okay?

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But I have a very famous friend, like, Big. And one day I mind my business. Cause I usually don't mind my business. I asked. I said, yo, what's up with this N right here? It was a hood dude, right? I don't want to give it away, but I was like, yo, what's up? Like, you. You should be the wife of the nigga who owns Nabisco or Marlboro. Like, you know, I'm talking about a big friend, right? And she was like, ah, the things he says to me, Joe. You should see how he talks to me. I said, what? Not the most powerful chick in the world. She was talking about this guy be saying some shit to her. And she was like, oh, my God, the things he tells me, Joe, you wouldn't even know this. That I said, damn, I learned that. That, you know, they like that sh.

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Yeah. Praise God. Talk me through it. Amen.

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Take me through there. Take me through there.

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Yeah, talk that shit. I love it. Like, I feel like a man gives you your confidence. And so, like a hood guy, like, who come from nothing, who really built himself up to have.

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He really built himself up. That's where I'm going with it.

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You see what it's like.

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Is it a bum or he built.

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Himself up with a bum. What's the conversation? Why are we even bringing that in it in the dough? Like, we can't relate on any level.

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A lot of these guys is one week away from the repo and all that. You know what I'm saying? A lot of these guys, they just.

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And you know what?

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I'm in Miami, home of the facade.

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Yeah, it's a lot of facade.

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One minute you see a dude, yo, it's the king tut popping bottles, the next week, you like, yo, my man, you working in pollo tropical. Like, it's the king of the facade. You never know who really got money.

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It's true. But one of the qualities about me when I am with the man is that I know how to upgrade him, you know what I'm saying? And to the point where I don't want him to feel like, oh, she's. She's the one. I want him to feel like that. I want him to walk in a room and feel like he know he the one. I don't want him to feel that way because of me. I want him to feel that way because he's him.

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I like that, you know, because a lot of women, they like to emasculate men. You know, the girl got the bag, and it's the same shit. If the guy got the bag and he want to act like big shit, talk to his girl how he want. Yo, you do what I say. Cause I'm giving you the bag. I seen the vice versa. I got a lot of sisters with bags, and, man, they know how to play some dudes and emasculate them.

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That drives me crazy that you saying.

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You big him up. He ain't got no. Your man, your man. But I've seen the vice versa.

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I don't want that. And I don't want people to look at my man that way. You know what I mean? I want people to look at My man respect him in his own right. He don't even have to have as much as me or have anything going on as much as me. I just want the respect factor to be in the room when we're together.

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Gotta respect. Vice versa, men and women. That's what it's all about. Respect.

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It really is.

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You don't show the respect. If you out here looking flabby and sick, you ain't respecting your queen, then you, you, you got something coming.

[B]

Yeah. Cause if my dude look corny, I look corny. And I don't want to look corny.

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You don't wanna look corny.

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That ain't it.

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That's a different type of pressure. That's a 20, 25 pressure. That look corny, look corn. You know, back in the days, your mother, my father, they knew how to work shit out shit fucked up this and this and that, but that look corny. That shit is like checkmate right now. 20, 25. Yo, I don't want to look corny. I don't want to look crazy out here. You realize when you just said my mother, your father. No, I didn't mean to tell you this. Yo, you gotta stop. Yo, this dude, I'm gonna catch that on the way home when I watch this interview, I'm gonna be like, damn, this guy, that's crazy. You know, I've always felt like it's equal no matter who got the bag, who don't got the bag. It's gotta be respect. And you know, I got a funny story. Cause I'm really protected by women. Like a lot of women. Like, I got a lot of sisters. Very powerful, very strong. And so I got a sister, she's super caked up. And she, she was dating. She was dating a guy, good looking guy, and he was making some dollars himself. He wasn't a hood guy, but he wasn't a hood guy. He owned like several businesses. But she's my sister, right? So the guy sits next to me one day, said, yo, Crack, can I talk to you? I was like, yo, what's up? He was like, you know, I don't know. I feel a little intimidated. Cause she got so much money. And every time I try to pay the bill, she paid the bill. This, this, yo, my man, the man in me. You hear me? She's my people. It took everything I had in the world to tell that nigga, yo, don't play yourself. Cause he was talking like, yo, I don't know if I could do this. I'm like, this girl's a billionaire, bro. I was like, you don't know how bad I wanted to be like, yo, my man, is you crazy? You better marry that girl right now. Are you stupid? And that, man, I said, you know, you gotta figure it out, whatever. I couldn't go against my code, you know, whoever I know first, and I'm family with them, I won't go against it. So I just say, yo, my man, you know, just do what's right, whatever. But I wanted to tell him real bad, like, yo, marry her today. Really? So they broke up, she got married six months later.

[B]

That's how it be. Let me tell you why.

[A]

Six months later, married.

[B]

Let me tell you why. Because even if you're not holding the bag as a man, you gotta figure out what your position is in her life. You know what I mean? She's not thinking she a billionaire. She ain't thinking about him paying her. She's not even thinking about that. She don't care about that, right? But she do want her to protect her, to support her, to be her biggest cheerleader, to be there for her, to be her safe space. You gotta figure out, as a man where your position is in my woman's life. And I think that because it's so many successful women, men forget that, that just because you not rich and you. You can't. Because there's a lot of people out here who really can't hold up today.

[A]

Women, you know, me personally, you know, I've been my wife 32 years. But I wouldn't have no problem with being with a woman that's a billionaire. No, I'm. I'm keeping it. A buck with you. I ain't had no problem holding the door, carrying the purse. I don't give a fuck she got a billion. I'm with her. Yo, what's the problem? Yeah, because you him.

[B]

If you wasn't him, you wouldn't feel that way.

[A]

Excuse me. She's not supposed to feel like that. Anyway. Whoever got the bag, it's not supposed to feel like that. You know what's crazy? This conversation is making me think of that Cardi B song where she said she want to feel safe.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

That's that shit right there, right?

[B]

That's real. It's real. Like you. You want to have a man who you can depend on. Like you got me in every area emotionally. You know what I'm saying? It's the number one thing. We want to feel protected. You don't necessarily have to buy me. That's first of all that's cornball. Like, if that's all you can do is support me financially, what the fuck are we doing, boo? You know what I'm saying? Like somebody who my dog. So somebody I can talk to. Somebody like, I know that got me. There's nothing like it in the world.

[A]

Ain't nothing like a corny. It's like a beautiful girl that the minute she talks, you like, yo, where you gonna drop her off at that part? Nah, hit a U turn. Mom dropping you back off. All right. Yeah, right. You hit that U turn right quick. Be like, yo, hold up one second. Didn't know you were a dodo bird. No, it's like that. Vice versa. And so you a legend, man. You legendary out here in the streets, man. And it's so hard to come from such a successful family but still have a connection with the streets. It's the hardest shit to do. So when you see kids, Disney kids, or you see what's My Girl, Miley Cyrus, and even Justin Bieber, you know, he went from being the teenage thing to the next day 60 tattoos in his face. This they try bad to eliminate. They gotta get to that next level. So you. You've been in royalty, you know, I see some comments under, you know, my daughter's pictures or whatever, and they'd be like, ah, you grew up in mansions your whole life. I don't give a fuck. This, this, that there's a resentment and there's a hard way to be connected to the people in the hood. But you have managed to do that in a strong way.

[B]

I still have hood friends. I still. We're from Baltimore, you know what I mean? And so it's like, I'm still the same, you know, like Toni, I feel like the way that she was brought up in this industry is completely different than mine. So she got her stardom from music, and she was a part of the realm of being upper echelon and gowns and class. And for me, I got mine through reality and reality television. So it was relatable to people. And I feel like that's why they gravitate, because they know. I mean, although I have a lot of success, I'm still like Tamar from the hood, you know what I'm saying? So I think that is something that I never really strayed away from because I still do reality television and a lot of it.

[A]

Yeah. Give me a rundown five of your favorite songs from mother singers. What would be your soundtrack?

[B]

If so, Mariah Carey is my favorite singer, period.

[A]

Really? Yeah, you know, she could really sing. She can really sing. No, no, no. Because I ain't gonna front. She wasn't my girl growing up. Like, I wasn't into Mariah Carey like that. One day, I pop up in the Christmas show fire. She start hitting shit. I said, yo, it's only one. Luther's the only one that was hitting shit. Like, she was hitting them notes and all that. And I was like, in the Christmas show. That's when I realized, oh, she wanted a one. She's a unicorn. Trillion every Christmas.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. But you know what I noticed, but think about hip hop and music is that it's real subjective. Some people think this is really dope. I might not think it's dope, or I might think it's dope, but it ain't really, really dope to me. Everybody hits people a different way, like different artists, you know? But Mariah's great. I just seen Rihanna at her show going crazy. I think Rihanna go every year.

[B]

I go every year in Madison Square.

[A]

Garden and go crazy, right? Jumping up like a kid. Yeah, that's crazy because I said for the first time ever, because she usually got that number one spot. That boy Pooh Shiesty battling up for that number one spot. He ain't trying to let go. You know, he dropped that shit that. You heard that Pooh Shiesty five minutes talking about he came home first day, six foreign. He told a girl he came. Well, y' all don't want to hear all that shit right now. But y'. All, Pooh Shiesty trying to ruin Christmas. That motherfucker trying to fuck it up. She been number one for, like 25 years. That motherfucker trying to. He dead ass trying to take that slot right now. That's looking that shit. He always in the. You know, I gotta see everything. I gotta know. I gotta have knowledge, you know? So that's. So you said Mariah. I didn't say artists. That said five songs.

[B]

That's so hard for me. I can do artists because I gotta sit here and think about songs.

[A]

Let's do five artists. You know what I mean? Artists.

[B]

I think Tank.

[A]

You know what I mean? Tank like that.

[B]

Yeah, he's amazing.

[A]

Tank is the man.

[B]

He's amazing. Amazing songwriter, too.

[A]

He stays in great shape. Tank.

[B]

He does. He stays.

[A]

Tank. He stays in great shape. No, Tank's about an OG now. How old is Tank right now?

[B]

Yo, you eating people up. You are crazy. I'm gonna be quiet. Cause nigga said, ooh. Tamar said, no, Tamar say nothing.

[A]

I'm a fan of tj. Supposed to stay out of that area. He's a great singer, great songwriter. He takes my dog, but a man look 49. That boy look like he can't eat an olive. He's dg a packed up. Gotta do it. Olive is my it. Gotta do it. We had a peaceful journey. We almost had a peaceful journey. But you gotta throw the flag. I got it. Yo, listen, Tank is a great songwriter. Yeah, that's what you said. You know, he writes amazing songs. Who else you a big fan of?

[B]

A huge fan of Beyonce.

[A]

Yeah, that's different.

[B]

I love her. She's a great songwriter too, and a storyteller and a visual artist. I love that about her. I love that we connect with her on a musical level.

[A]

Kelly fucking that tour up. Kelly.

[B]

Kelly's eating it up. I went and saw her and I can't tell you, I went to go see Brandi specifically because, you know, we love Brandi. She's amazing. But we have not seen her on tour.

[A]

I toured a lot with Monica singers.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All them girls. The biggest. They listen to Brandi every single.

[B]

She sure do.

[A]

She's the blue print, the vocal bible. Believe it or not. She's the vocal bible. They study her. The biggest of the biggest. Listen to Brandi all day.

[B]

Yeah, but.

[A]

And if you went over there. But Kelly came out there all chocolate and shit. Moving on. That sick God damn. Kelly came. She coming through all that shit. She like, hey, body on.

[B]

That's it.

[A]

What?

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

She going crazy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I love how Beyonce is supporting Kelly, right? Absolutely. That's three. How many games, Tank? Mariah B. To the analytics, Right? We got two more.

[B]

I love Brandi, but if you take it a step above, it would be Kim Burrell for me.

[A]

Who?

[B]

Kim Burrell. That's who we all study us singers. We study Kim Burrell. Yeah.

[A]

Yo, play me some Kim Burrell. The biggest hit. Cause I'm confused and I'm you. Oh, God. Okay, we got it. We got. That's like.

[B]

She's amazing.

[A]

Hola. It's like Yolanda Adams or something like that. I get it.

[B]

Gossip, but on steroids.

[A]

Kirk Franklin.

[B]

Love a Kurt.

[A]

What's the Sisters. The gospel sisters.

[B]

The Clark Sisters.

[A]

Clark Sisters. You know? I know. Don't do that to yourself, man.

[B]

Yeah, but my all time favorite, who I had to give props to, you.

[A]

Know, I love that record. We fall down, but we get up. That's my shit. Who's your all time favorite?

[B]

Okay, you might not know who he is. But you're going to.

[A]

You think we not gonna know who he is?

[B]

I ain't no kiss by way of PJ Morton. His name is Darrell Walls and there's no. Nobody can out sing him. Not male or female, nowhere.

[A]

Darrell Walls.

[B]

Oh, my God, he's so amazing. His voice is like an instrument. And he's another gospel singer and also a songwriter, too. But he's so amazing. And he reminds me of PJ Martin, but on steroids.

[A]

This is crazy we having this conversation because you guys got one and you don't even know. I know. Before you, I met a girl, she's working with Timberland. Her name is Faith from Yonkers. She is phenomenal.

[B]

Phenomenal.

[A]

Phenomenal.

[B]

What makes her phenomenal?

[A]

Everything you talking about, she's that. Yeah, Joe, I'm from Yonkers. This, this, that. I love you. You know. Her name is Faith. Remember I told you she's like one of them.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You hear one time and you like, oh, shit, they got one. She from young. Cause you gonna see. You know, I'm my ear to the street, man. Don't do that to yourself like that. Jayden. Don't say anything. Don't do that to yourself. So that's your five. What's your five, Jada? Top five favorite singers. I have more than five. All right, but could you give us. All right, give us 10. Give us whatever you want. I want to give you two. Could you give me some hot?

[B]

Five is hard five. You got to think about it. I want to know, though.

[A]

I always do this. Sometimes he got the weed that wake him up. Sometimes he got the weed that make him sleepy. Come on, he in a weed debate. Am I hype or am I. Am I relaxed right now? I'm a Gemini. So everything switches.

[B]

It sure does. Lord have mercy.

[A]

Zingers switch everything. He had a couple of good. You're not gonna give us none. The fans want to like Luther. Oh, that's. Hello. I like. I gotta put MJB on there. My sister, who do know Luther from the Bronx, by the way. But yeah, here we go with this. No, I'm telling you, Fox is so funny. Mary Chaka Khan, Patti LaBelle and Neil. Patti LaBelle. You know, I was a young kid, man. I lost my first girlfriend. I was singing I'm on my own. Why did they go this way? Let me tell you, when that. Yo, I don't wish nobody to fully understand their favorite lyrics. Like, you hear a song, you break up. All of a sudden the radio start playing a Hundred breakup songs. You. I wonder if she remembers. What's the joining guy. Wonder if you ever. That's Neo, right? Think of me, you know. I'm Luther Van Joyce all day. I'm Stephanie Mills.

[B]

Love her, Stephanie.

[A]

I'm Luther. I'm Stephanie Mills. I'm Sad Day Babyface.

[B]

That was good.

[A]

Nobody fucking with Baby Face nowhere. Don't let them lie to you like that. Ain't nobody fucking with Babyface. I got Babyface and I'mma go with my man. Because when you talk about, you know, a thug like R and B. We were selling a lot of drugs to keep Sweat, man.

[B]

And was.

[A]

Yo, we was aviators to that Keith Sweat with that wide body. You made me a mature that shit there. Keith Sweat selling drugs, did that. So all them. Yo, the most feared individuals in the Bronx, in Harlem, they wouldn't pull up with hip hop. They would pull up with Key Sweat. You would think you might die too, with coming down. One of my first concerts is LL Keep Sweat and Heavy D. I had to be fired. You got two of my idols. You got three of my idols there. You know what I'm saying? That shit was crazy, huh? Crazy Apollo. Crazy at the Apollo. It's like my 13th birthday. I was 12 or 13.

[B]

But have you seen Keith perform?

[A]

Of course. Like now I see boots.

[B]

It's very interesting.

[A]

Why Smokey And I love Keith. Fuck Keith sweat. Smokey Robinson. 85, doing the butt. He up on there.

[B]

Yeah. Keeps getting.

[A]

At one point, we stopped doing the butt. Yo, that ain't his song. That's not what I'm saying. She's trying to say Keef is. Let me not say what you say. What are you saying? Yeah, let us say what she said. What are you saying?

[B]

I think he's great in concert, right? But he has a thrust spirit on him.

[A]

What's that?

[B]

A thrust spirit?

[A]

The fuck Smokey Robinson be in there with silk shirts like this. 85.

[B]

That's pretty entertaining, actually. No, I'm interesting.

[A]

So you don't think I stopped doing this. He's a uncle. Chill. You know what I think?

[B]

Huh?

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[B]

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[A]

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[A]

Yo, so you saying it's getting like little bit too much. You keep.

[B]

I don't know about it being too much. It's very entertaining, but it's giving pop pop. And I'm afraid of that as a single woman. It's not. Is that where I'm going, Pop?

[A]

Hell no. You could definitely be pop. Let me tell you something. I won't say who all them old ladies hit on me. They look at me like I'm an 18 year old. Oh, I've been waiting this, but you.

[B]

Don'T get pop though, that.

[A]

I don't want to be the young dude for the mama. You know what I'm saying? You always going to be like a steak to the. To the. No, but I'm saying the old, the old ladies. Yeah. Oh, they go hard. Oh, my. Been waiting for you my whole life. I'm like, Ms. Police, can you sign my autograph? Leave me. You got me fucked up. But yes, that's where you're headed.

[B]

What?

[A]

Yeah, eventually.

[B]

I will not.

[A]

I think we all, we three blessed, always throw because you don't look your age. You look great. She don't look her age. She looks great. I look great. We're lucky. I be seeing niggas in the hood all the time with no teeth. I be like, yo, I was in his class in third grade. That motherfucker look like a dinosaur. I'm looking at him, I'm like, yo, this shit. Oh my God, bro. No, I'm being honest. Like, we're blessed. We ain't looking old yet. You understand? We ain't looking old. But you're gonna look old.

[B]

Yeah, but I'm afraid of pop. Pop sweat.

[A]

Pop pop sweat. What does that mean?

[B]

I don't want pop pop humping and bumping on me.

[A]

I don't think you'll ever have a pop up humping and bumping as long as you got the bag. You beautiful. You got the bag. You ain't gonna have to pop up. I don't care. It's the same thing. I started this whole shit like this. The women, they criticize the men being with some younger girls, but the minute they get that bag and they get divorced, they got a young thing going. It might make it look good and get him a pastor or something, you know? Yo, let me get the young. The young pastor. But that flies hair wavy. He young.

[B]

Definitely don't want that.

[A]

I know. I'm telling you, I'm very observative.

[B]

I'll take a pop up over a pastor anyway.

[A]

I don't know you. I don't know. I just said that. I'm not. I don't mean it. He doesn't even know. I don't even know. I'm talking shit. I'm trying to. You talking to a guy who's. Who's entertaining the people. Like, I don't know the. About a pastor.

[B]

Yeah. I can't.

[A]

You the new voice of Bridezillas. I am currently streaming on AMC Network.

[B]

Yeah. I don't even know how many television shows I have. I haven't counted.

[A]

No, that's a flex. That's like with the silence on, you know, we like that. You know what I'm saying? I'm all about my people winning, so, you know what I'm saying? That's, you know, I love that heartbreaking retrograde with a full movie. What was that experience like starting and filming that?

[B]

It was so amazing because actually I had a relationship, right. And I cheated on that person. And so this album is about the female version of taking accountability for infidelity.

[A]

Who gets you to cheat is this smooth talking hood dude.

[B]

It wasn't like that. No, it was all me.

[A]

I was definitely like, I want him. You was like, you saw him and you was like, I want him.

[B]

No, I kind of spun the block on a situation because I wasn't too sure about the new situation. And so the old situation just wasn't completed yet, if you get what I'm saying. Emotionally completed.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think that sometimes when men get territorial and they see you in another situation, they want that old thing back.

[A]

They want that old thing back.

[B]

And I fell for the okie doke. But I had to figure it. I did. Because that person should have never gotten my time again. Right. But I had to figure it out within myself.

[A]

That made for good music.

[B]

Yes. That I was done with it. And I also owe that of the person that I hurt, you know, a huge apology because, number one, they didn't deserve it. Getting mixed up in my bullshit. Right. And also, I had to heal myself. And I did through this album that.

[A]

Goes on to the new single, you, on you.

[B]

Yeah, actually, you and you is my old single. The new single coming up is Love Me.

[A]

Love Me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I like that title, too. Explain that to me, because I've been thinking about doing the song to that title.

[B]

Really? Well, Love Me is about missing the person.

[A]

Yeah. I gotta love me. Fuck that.

[B]

Well, it's not loving. It's loving the person. And it's about telling the person that I miss it. But I know that it's over. Yeah. Because how do you hurt a man to that capacity? And he. He never recovers.

[A]

Let's listen to it. There's some suckers out there. Let's listen to Love Me. I've seen it. It's some suckers out there. It love me, my brother. I love my baby mama. I never let her go. There's some suckers out there.

[B]

It's a sucker of a man.

[A]

Take a woman back out to you, He's a sucker.

[B]

What?

[A]

Yeah, but why the lady that takes you?

[B]

Because the man and do and do. So it makes him a sucker. I really want to hear.

[A]

This is a great conversation. Right? Cause he takes that.

[B]

But I'm gonna let you go.

[A]

When you a man. I'm not saying you could do whatever you want to each his own bottle of 1800. Okay.

[B]

What makes him a sucker, though? You gotta tell me.

[A]

So a man that comes from nothing, who found a way to get himself out of that and do a little success in life. He gets with a girl, he makes her his queen. He treats her like his queen. He gives her everything. He hunts. He goes out there, makes no excuses, no matter what the stress is, no matter what the case is, he come in the back to give her a shit. She with her girl, she look just as fly as her girls. This, this, that. You gotta understand, when that woman violates that, the man don't know how to handle that. And he just loses it because he's like, yo, you violated that. I don't. You know, because with no disrespect, if you're a provider, you're a guy that did it. Especially when you come from nothing. I'm not talking about a trust fund, baby. I'm talking about a person who came up from nothing and said, all right, I'm gonna share this world with this woman and give her everything, equal, whatever we Do. And then she violates. It's a whole nother way of forgiving this and this and that. Now, we've talked about it, like, if our friends, they get in a problem with their girl or whatever, that's not our business, because nine times out of 10 times, they getting back together. And then you in the middle trying to be like, yo, this. You know what I'm saying? I learned that. You know what I mean? I lost friends over there. I used to be the dude to bring the guy to the situation.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

Like, yo, let's go. Meet me at. Over Sbarrows. Your girl over here with the. What we doing to this door? What we doing right now? Why you gotta be this? And then the next day, you see him with his girl riding in the car. You like, yo, I played myself. Like, why did I even get involved?

[B]

Yeah, but this is why I think the way that I think now as a woman. Because in that situation, I did have the bag, right? And he felt insecure, and he used to piss me off. I couldn't understand, like, why. Why do you not think that you're enough, right? And I used to son the fuck out of him. And like you were saying. What's that word?

[A]

Emasculate him.

[B]

Emasculate him. And that's not a good feeling.

[A]

You were sunning him, huh? And then you cheated on him.

[B]

I. Because I could.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You understand what I'm saying? I don't think like that anymore.

[A]

It takes a strong man to hold a woman down and know that you the breadwinner and all that and just treat them equally. Yeah. It takes a strong man to make a woman wake up every day and walk out the house knowing she could do what the fuck she want, that you got her back, that you protected. And you. This. There ain't no problem. There's God, then you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When you violate that cipher, it's a problem. You know what I'm saying? And that's how most men feel. Even a construction worker, fucking McDonald's guy, he going out there busting his ass every day. He did this. This is a problem. Now, have I seen the greatest killers in the universe? The realest guys that I thought would kill a factory of guys to catch their wives and be like, okay, we worked it out. This shit was shocking to me. Like, you know, I'm looking, I'm like, what? Huh? That's. Oh, he's killing the whole gym. Come back. Nah, we good. You know, love is something.

[B]

It is. But I broke him.

[A]

And I knew that he deserve you. Anyway, I feel sorry for him.

[B]

I do. Because let me tell you, like in.

[A]

The film, he ain't deserve you. That motherfucker wasn't strong enough. He wasn't what you was describing a while ago, him all fucking weak. You stepped on him. He was weak. Kept it pushing. He was weak.

[B]

I don't necessarily think that. You know the film that goes along with that, with the ep.

[A]

Oh, there's a film? There's a film. And you really shitting on him, Tamar?

[B]

It's kind of. It's based on a true story, so I'm just going to tell you a little bit about it so you can watch it later on. So, of course, Mendici and Julianne Houghton is in the film. So one plays my current boyfriend and the other one plays.

[A]

He told me, don't start the shit. Just start the shit. You like this shit, Tamar?

[B]

No, I'm just telling you.

[A]

Finish off, please.

[B]

In the film. And so this is a. This part really happened in my life. So I'm texting and Mendici snatched my phone, and he reads my text messages, and I'm texting the guy. Once again. You shifted my uterus. And he really read it.

[A]

You read it. You sent it to the wrong guy.

[B]

No, I sent it to the. To the wrong guy.

[A]

No, Are you listening? I'm confused. She was texting somebody. She threw a red flag. She threw a couple of flags up in there. The minute I heard the shit, I said, yo, you know what? For each his own bottle of 1800. Like, wait, what? They came in here. Let me tell you something. They came in here, they was like, oh, Tamar is a little upset of her past interviews. You watch what you say. She doesn't. She's saying it. She's saying what she wants to say. What are you talking about? Let her finish.

[B]

I did.

[A]

So did you hear it? You want me to reiterate it?

[B]

Please do, Jack.

[A]

She was texting somebody and Deyces grabbed her phone and he read what she just said a while ago. Yeah, something happened to her organs. Love me. I said love me. This is a family show. I said love me. Guys, make sure you play it live at a nice. Yeah, Donovan, you gotta calm her down. She outside with this. I am not outside.

[B]

I didn't say I was involved.

[A]

I said outside with that on.

[B]

I'm not at all.

[A]

Yep. Knock it. Knock that bump that.

[B]

The way Used to have me feeling I should have let you leave Love it here the same way since yeah, there's no excuse for what I did get back all you gave to me I over don't taking you for granted.

[A]

With.

[B]

Should have protected you too Sometimes a man need sa I let the world come after you Now I wish I had you to hold on to I messed up but I've grown, baby care. I like to say that I'm sorry you never got me any doubts if I knew that I know now I miss how you love me love me.

[A]

Love me no one's ever love me.

[B]

Like you love me, baby how do I say I need your healing? Can we run it back again?

[A]

Again?

[B]

Had me on my back stretching yeah, baby I learned so much over the years Cr so many tears I almost gave up Lately I've been feeling fine Now I messed up but I've grown, baby.

[A]

Alone.

[B]

I miss. Sorry you never had me any doubts if I knew I know now I miss how you love me love me.

[A]

Love me no one's ever love me.

[B]

Like you love me, baby I'm sorry, please forgive me. Cause I miss how you love me and I miss how you touch me.

[A]

Baby.

[B]

Come back, come back.

[A]

Wow. Beautiful, classic Braxton tone. Beautiful, beautiful, classic Braxton tone. What a beautiful song, man. So that gotta make you feel away when you hear it, right? Cause you know you're the culprit. Yeah. Yeah. So you saying, like, damn, Just taking accountability. Accountability. Nobody want to take accountability. So that's mean, taking accountability.

[B]

Yeah, we blame y' all for everything. And it be us.

[A]

Yeah, it be y'. All.

[B]

It'd be us.

[A]

She wins something. She wins something for this. She should really win something for you. I don't. I think we overlook it. And this. She's taking accountability.

[B]

You have to watch the film. It's really, really, really good because it gives both sides, you know, and it gives, like, a real depiction.

[A]

Where can you see it?

[B]

You can go to my YouTube. It's on YouTube. Feel free. Yeah. And so it's 44 minutes, but it's. It's really fast, but it's really good. So you have the videos that play out, and then you have, like, the scenes. Vince is in it. Vince is giving advice, dating advice with me.

[A]

And you know Vince, you know, he got a bad joint right now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Christopher Williamsback. No, Vince.

[B]

Vince.

[A]

What? You got a girlfriend with the six pack?

[B]

Oh, she's gorgeous girl. Yeah, she's amazing. The doctor.

[A]

Oh, she's a doctor.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, events real cool. You ain't name a flag on the play with that. No, we like white people. Like, we spend Christmas like white people.

[A]

He's doing that Will Smith shit. Everybody get. I know they get along. That's why I said I gotta big them up. That wasn't the segue to save that right there.

[B]

It's okay.

[A]

She don't care. She at home.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

This guy's crazy. What do you want me to say? What's wrong with that? I know this guy. I gotta see him. I know he gonna be like, yo, you let them. You know, guy is up there talking about, you ain't even big me up in no way. We picked him up. That boy Vince on that Reddit tour Tribe. He's not on that Ozempic. He's on the Next level one the Reddit tour time.

[B]

Oh, Jesus.

[A]

That motherfucker skinny as fuck.

[B]

He's skinny. He looks great.

[A]

Ah, he's on that.

[B]

This looks great. No more Teddy Repskin.

[A]

Yo, Tamar, let me tell you something, man. You know that song there reminds me of. I remember one night, I was sleeping, I sleep with the TV on, and that Tony Braxton song came on with the video with the umbrellas.

[B]

As Long As I Live. Is that it?

[A]

Long As I Live.

[B]

That's my favorite Toni Braxton song.

[A]

Fuck. Shit. You know when you wake out to sleep? I woke up now, it's like, God be talking to me. I'm telling y' all the truth. I heard that shit. Three, four in the morning, I was dead asleep. I heard that. I woke up, I got on the thing and I looked at this video with the raindrops and all that, and I said, oh, this gonna win something. I said, this shit is crazy right here. I called Tony out in la. I was like, yo, you did that? He was like, yeah. I said, yo, that shit crazy.

[B]

Shout out to Tony Dixon.

[A]

Tony Dixon, what a legend, huh?

[B]

He's great, beautiful.

[A]

I tell them all the time. They don't believe me. Babyface, my friend. So, like, you know, I go to dinner with Babyface. He's the one out of this whole shit, my whole career. I mean, I know royal families.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He's the one guy that I tripped that. I'm actually Babyface's friend. Like. Like, when I eat dinner with him, I'm like, yo, I'm with Babyface. Like, you know, I.

[B]

It's so Tricky Stewart did this whole project.

[A]

Shout out to Trick One legend.

[B]

Yeah. And so we're doing part two right now. The Heartbreak Retrograde.

[A]

That right there is a hit. So you got to put the bag behind that. I don't never lose when I Say something's a go. It's a go.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Hearing it, I wanted the mix to pop out a little more clear, a little more flossy. But I'm listening to it. And I said, this is a smash hit. Huh? Maybe the speaker. So I'm listening to it. I said, this is a smash hit. So if Fat Joe put this out, I throw the bag. You gotta throw that bag behind this song right here. It won't miss this one right here. Won't miss this. This is a real hit. This is a classic. When I was listening to it, the only thing I heard in my head was, like, classic, classic. Like this shit. Like, classic sound beautiful. You know? R and B, right? Now, the ladies, Kalani, I love her.

[B]

She's amazing. Summer Walker, amazing.

[A]

Mariah the Scientist, amazing. That Summer Walker, that album. You know what I do is I drive. When I'm in Miami, I drive for two hours. I just listen to music. I drive to, like, Port St. Lucie or some shit like that for no reason. Just listen. I listened to that Summer Walker album. That one record she got her Doja Cat and Lotto the feel good. How about they Killing the Guys? I'm just keeping the buck with you. I'm listening to the guys albums. I don't wanna mention no names.

[B]

Oh, God, I'm stressed out.

[A]

And then I listen to Summer Walker. They stepping on dudes bad. And that one record, they rapping. Smell good, tastes good.

[B]

Yeah, this.

[A]

That tastes good.

[B]

What?

[A]

Doja Cat come up on there and start. I'm like, yo, how the girls are killing the dudes? 20, 25. Like, we ain't got no. Nobody killing like that. You agree, huh?

[B]

Cause we got the bag.

[A]

Mm.

[B]

Hello.

[A]

So once you got the bag, you could talk, like, with them, man, I'm.

[B]

Telling you, the respect level goes down the drain to these dudes. I just told you I was son at homeboy shit. That's just how it goes. And it's terrible. I would never ever do that to another person ever, ever, ever, ever again. Because I can. But y' all guys do that too. We learn from y'. All.

[A]

We learn from best y' all guys pieces of shit.

[B]

We learn from the best.

[A]

You know, every girl of mine, every friend of mine, asked me to hook up one of my guys. I tell them in one second, yo, they ain't shit. Don't look in this stable. These guys ain't shit. You ain't gonna never like me again in your life if you talk to one of these guys, they ain't shit. Would you recommend a sister that you love with one of your friends? Do you got one friend that you could say, yo, he's a good guy. Maybe Kay's a good guy. Yo, K.

[B]

Now you want to say which one?

[A]

K, over there.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

He too high for you, Tamar. He the king. He the king of the who? Bonnie Chronic. Yo, but listen, I want to shout out my brother. Come in here. Take a little bow, man. Two Time a felon. It's his birthday today. If I knew, I'd have brought your gate. Maybe you catch another felony today. The felony three times. Happy birthday, my brother. We love you, man. And what you do for the show, you know? Two Time a fella. Bridezilla. Is that something I gotta watch?

[B]

Yes. It's hilarious. Yeah.

[A]

You know, they doing a movie about somebody real close to me, and they got Fat Joe in the movie, and she's sending me the guys. They just send any fat guy that they think that that's not Fat Joe. Like, we gotta get a guy with some swag or some shit to him or something. Like, they just sending any fat comedian every. She's like, what do you think of this one? They showed me this. I said, yo, man, what the fuck you think this? Like, you better get somebody look like Fat Joe to be on this fucking movie. But will you do based on your life, or have you done it already with a lifetime?

[B]

No, not yet, but I just actually started doing movies. I was doing television shows. Like, the film that I'm doing right now is with Taye Diggs. And, yeah, it's like a romantic comedy thriller.

[A]

Taye Diggs is the short guy, right? Way in the exhale, man. Y', all, I had an argument with Donovan. No disrespect, Jesus. I had an argument with this TSA dude yesterday. By the way, I never argue with the TSA guys. Ever in my life have I had one argument. This little nigga was over here being too. Yo, take your hoodie off, my man. You could just search me. I know the rules are five, seven times a week. Nah, you gotta. Yo, my man, I'm not talking about his height. Like, yo, bro, you way too little. Be talking to me like this. Like you not in the family. You're not in what they call that shit, The Fruits of that Nigga can't talk to Fat Joe like that. I'm like, yo, you my man, cannot talk to me like that. Nah, the rules. Yo, bro, you got me fucked up. Papo. We was outside. I ripped your fucking. Go get the boss. The boss Come Joe. Jamaican got Joe, you know, the man got exp. Looking at the Jamaican guy so nice, man. I walked away from there, man. I wanted to smack this nigga's cheek off so bad, man. I said, yo, he was just doing too much, too much talking to me.

[B]

Like, yeah, but Tay is not a shorty like that.

[A]

Oh, that's how I got to this.

[B]

Yes, you did. You called the man short. I was like a little. Oh, man, he's not, he's not best man you trying to picture.

[A]

I love him, but I, I, I lost it for him when I seen him. He was in my hand skipping with a white girl in Gramercy park or some. I seen him skipping with her down the street like this. He was a little. I seen. Oh, you've been really fronting, man.

[B]

Yeah, but y. He's a great actor.

[A]

He's a great actor.

[B]

Yeah, he's giving a lot.

[A]

I watch every movie he does. Listen, Tamar, every movie he does, I'm.

[B]

Going to tell you.

[A]

Nah, get up. You never. Nowadays, the actors make up a diss record again. What's up with all this? Everybody dis. Everybody, everybody. This shit is like, it's toxic right now. No, I'm being honest. It's like really, really, like, I'm not really liking none of this shit. All I do is write gangster music, so I'm not the holy guy. But I think, just think time that the hip hop community and us kind of like, we are the world. There comes a time. Yeah, but my thing is, my thing is it's like, you know, we celebrate all the wrong shit together.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

You understand what I'm saying? Yo, cracker come home from jail for 26 years, kill 36,000 people, sits down like, yeah, I'm the gangster of all gangsters. Like, Yo, Cat, 222 came home. Yo, this, this. And they be celebrating. I'm not talking, I'm not making no subliminals to nobody. And I like all the shit. But I'm just saying, at what point we gonna man up and say, yo, this? Cause. Cause I keep seeing us celebrate weird shit. And I'm now maybe I'm older. I am older. So I'm thinking a little bit different. I'm just like, yo, we keep celebrating and then we keep falling for the same shit and do right. So now, Tamar, who we know and love, how many years we been watching you on reality show?

[B]

15 years.

[A]

15 years. We know her life. We know who she are. We love her. Out of nowhere, some girl who went to high school with her, got some shit to say. And now we believe the girl, Margaret Washington, a bitch we don't know from nowhere.

[B]

With no receipts.

[A]

With no receipts, want to talk about shit like what's going on. And they fall for it every time. Yo, you heard Margaret. Why the God. One time Taco was saying this about this thing. Yo, my man, if you don't get this nigga up off the ig, like, yo, we gotta start some respect. Need some corn muffin. Control. You never gave me the corn cornbread, you say your mom's was gonna make me some cornbread. I was gonna send you. He put me on the phone with his moms, right? And he said, listen, Ma, I promised Joe some cornbread. The first thing she said, joe, I got a story with you. He hung up the phone so fast, he said that, man, listen, they ain't getting no stories with your mama.

[B]

Cornbread tastes like.

[A]

He hung that shit up so bad. How you make it?

[B]

It tastes like cake.

[A]

Cornbread casserole. I'm on a strict diet right now, you know, I hate the fucking doctor. That's why I don't like going to the doctor.

[B]

How did we get there?

[A]

Cause I'm skinnier than I ever been in my life. And the doctor's like, yo, I want you keto for a month. You see everybody over there? Everybody wrapping up. Okay, let's sell some shit. So tell me everything. We got the name of the album, Heartbreak Retrograde. Heartbreak Retrograde, the movie. I'm downloading that right now.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

I am purchasing that. I need that in my life. Purchase that thing.

[B]

And it means a lot to me.

[A]

Straight to Consumer Direct.

[B]

It means a lot to me.

[A]

It's on your label. So your boss, you putting out your own shit?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That's how we supposed to be. The problem I have Ridezillas. The problem I have, especially with all the R and B legends that we love, is they let them the major label on my face, right? So they fuck with you, spend some money and get everything out of you. And then they tell everybody, old School at noon. Motherfucker, 24 years old doing the Old School at Noon tour because the major labels did that to them. They put that stigma on there where they think they Old School at noon. So what they didn't do, the guys and the girls before us was take ownership. Ciara came here, she putting out her own music. You putting out your own music? I've been putting out my own music for 15 years.

[B]

That's amazing.

[A]

And I fuck these guys all the time. Let me tell you something. Pause, pause, pause. Fuck.

[B]

Oh, I do.

[A]

All this time.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Are you just telling me? Oh, I need a whole bag of these.

[A]

What?

[B]

How you gonna tell me at the end?

[A]

Tamar, you with me? Don't ask.

[B]

From the time I sat down.

[A]

Tamar.

[B]

Yes, my love?

[A]

Don't listen to these guys. You with me? You with me. What I'm saying is, like, you know, I told the major label, yo, I wanna go independent, and they let me go. Like I had A's or something. It was like, yo, get up. That's another.

[B]

What is happening.

[A]

Them motherfuckers was like, yo. Oh, yes, sir, you can leave. How fast do you want to go? We'll sign your shit off right now. I'm like, damn, I thought they gave a fuck. I'm on here 10 years. They was like, then I put out a record, sold 4 million records on they ass right there. Independent. So I know all about being independent, man, and just working your shit and all that. I salute that boss lady. Give it up. This ain't that. That ain't this. It's cracking. Kiss. Pow, pow. Make some noise for Tamar Braxton.

[B]

I love this place.

[A]

It's the real.