Joe and Jada - The Alchemist & Hit-Boy on 'Goldfish' collab & WILD Drake, Eminem & Jay-Z stories

Summary

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd

Episode: Joe and Jada – The Alchemist & Hit-Boy on ‘Goldfish’ Collab & Wild Drake, Eminem & Jay-Z Stories
Release Date: October 9, 2025

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Episode Overview

This special episode shifts to a hip-hop roundtable, as Fat Joe and Jada host production giants Hit-Boy and The Alchemist. They dive into their careers, powerhouse collaborations, and the new project "Goldfish" (an album and film). The conversation is equal parts mythmaking, shop talk, hilarious war stories, and reverent reflection on the music industry’s past and future.

Key themes include:

• Creative processes and career highlights of Hit-Boy & Alchemist
• The art and business of beat-making and collaboration in hip-hop
• Iconic stories involving Jay-Z, Kanye West, Drake, Eminem, and others
• Industry pitfalls, publishing traps, and lessons learned
• Camaraderie in hip-hop and what unity means in a competitive game
• Sneak peeks and deep dives into the “Goldfish” project

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Hip-Hop Legacy & Introductions

• Fat Joe sets the stage, announcing the guests as "Beethoven and Mozarts of the 25th century" (03:31), acknowledging their decades of impact on the culture.
• Hit-Boy and Alchemist reflect on how their beats have defined eras, with Jada noting, "Every end of the year list is… Alchemist, Hit-Boy. Like top producer list and shit... I got hella respect for bro and obviously legendary. And I'm getting to learn from... a student in this." (06:41)

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2. Behind the Beats: Production Stories and Iconic Tracks

Biggest Hits:

• Niggas in Paris (Jay-Z & Kanye West):
  "I was just a kid excited, making beats... I had flew out here to New York. I did some records with hov and ye... None of them became anything, but the beat for N****s in Paris I had emailed Ye, like, months prior. Wasn't thinking about it at all, he hit me like 'Bro, we just did this song out in Paris, and when this shit drop, your life about to change.' Nigga was right." – Hit-Boy (07:17–08:14)

• Sicko Mode (Travis Scott/Drake):
  "I did the first part of it... Me and my boy Rogét produced that... I had to hold that beat for two years." – Hit-Boy (08:20–08:56)
  “When we heard Sicko Mode, just as fans, that was unfucking real... Heavy rotation.” – Fat Joe (09:06)

• Click (Kanye, Jay-Z, Big Sean):
  "First time I heard that, I was... in the Hamptons working on Beyonce album. And Ye brought the final version through right before he put the album out. They all snapped on that shit." – Hit-Boy (10:01–10:23)

• Feeling Myself (Nicki Minaj/Beyonce):
  "She invited me to the stool... Next thing I know, Nicki was on it. She used that shit for the album. They did a video..." – Hit-Boy (10:26–10:48)

• Drop the World (Lil Wayne feat. Eminem): “That was probably the first, like, platinum song I had produced... That was before streaming and all that, so I’m on the iTunes charts watching that just go up and it went to number one. I’m like, damn, that was crazy for me.” – Hit-Boy (10:52–11:16)

• Backseat Freestyle (Kendrick Lamar):
  “That was one of the first beats I played him... He was on tour. He texted me like, 'Bro, we got one. It’s on the album for sure.'” – Hit-Boy (11:22–11:55)

• Goldie (A$AP Rocky):
  “That was really, bro, like, first single on a major label type shit... a pivotal moment.” – Hit-Boy (11:56–12:20)

• King’s Disease Trilogy (Nas):
  “He pulled up for three years straight. We did six albums." – Hit-Boy (12:20–13:16) “We put out 80 songs in three years.” – Jada (13:14–13:16)

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3. Industry Realities: Publishing, Money, & Betrayal

• Both Fat Joe and Hit-Boy share stories about being locked in bad publishing deals for years.
  "14 years, man. And you didn’t slap him?"
  – Hit-Boy/“Couldn't—never saw him!” – Fat Joe and Hit-Boy (14:04–15:17)
• Fat Joe’s infamous story about getting his first big check and immediately losing the Lexus he bought with it (16:08–17:47)
• Jada: “I signed the deal one year out of high school at 19. I mean, 50 racks sounded like everything at that time.” (15:59)

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4. Producer Camaraderie, Competition, and Respect

• Alchemist and Hit-Boy discuss how top producers respect, rather than compete with, each other.
  • “Producers like we all fuck with each other. Like I used to hit him up like damn, you kicking my ass. I gotta go crazier.” – Alchemist (51:19)
  • Fat Joe: “That’s what’s the biggest attribute to the LOX... their unity and their loyalty. And people love that.” (51:53)

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5. Wild Studio & Industry Anecdotes

• The Producer’s Dilemma: Producers holding back certain beats for “Hov” or other stars instead of giving them up in sessions:
  "They be playing some shit, and they be like, 'Oh this is for Hov...'" – Fat Joe (32:52–33:26)

• Mobb Deep & The Alchemist:
  “Murder Music is when I got down [with them]... it was gradual... they let me in the mix.” – Alchemist (35:51–36:57)

• Battery Studios & the ‘Apple Trick’:
  "It was you and Pun at the studio... I came to play beats, and there was... a hammer on the table, allegedly... Pun put an apple on his [head]... Joe took the hammer and made the apple move." – Alchemist (34:10–35:01)

  • Fat Joe: "They never let me rent Battery Studios again in my life." (35:01)

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6. The “Goldfish” Project: Album and Film

• Title & Concept:
  “Life be like that. We be stuck in a bowl, just going in circles and shit sometimes, you know what I mean?”
  – Jada (46:11–46:15)

• Collaboration & Features:
  “Conway got a solo song on there... We got Bodie James... my pops, big hit... Havoc...” – Jada (49:41–50:00)

  • Album began as a one-off collab and grew naturally, emphasizing producer-artist synergy over forced collaborations.

• Film Tie-In:
  "First it was about us. And then we were like, nah, fuck that. Let's get a script, put some bread up and shoot a movie to go with this album... Not just a conventional music movie. It's a real beginning, middle, end type shit. Got Danny Trejo, Simon Rex, Conway...” – Alchemist & Jada (64:24–65:04)

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7. Reflections on Hip-Hop Camaraderie & Age

• The guests reject the “young man’s sport” narrative:
  "I don't care about none of that. It's not a young man's sport. They gotta stop talking about that." – Alchemist (58:51–59:57)
• Fat Joe admiration:
  “You moving, man. I'm proud of you, man... When your sneakers are melting. I got. You so on fire when your sneakers...” (78:27–78:31)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On ‘Niggas in Paris’ changing his life:
  “...When this shit drops, your life about to change. Nigga was right.”
  – Hit-Boy (08:13)

• Kanye, Jay, and Hit-Boy creative process:
  “Did some records with hov and ye... None of them joints became anything... but when I emailed [the Paris beat] to Ye, he hit me later like your life about to change.”
  – Hit-Boy (07:37–08:14)

• Fat Joe on studio politics:
  “I used to hate these producers... They be like, ‘Oh, that’s for Hov’, ‘That’s for Big’... What you giving me, chopped liver?”
  – Fat Joe (32:52–33:42)

• Fat Joe on creative camaraderie:
  “I set a lot of trends in this game.”
  – Fat Joe (31:52)

• Alchemist on Eminem's work ethic:
  “You think we work hard. I've never seen nobody work like him to this day. The level... he's in the studio right now. I could put bed every day, I'm telling you.” (63:14)

• Fat Joe on Taylor Swift:
  “Taylor Swift got me fooled. Because we all know you be waiting to meet people...and you like, you know, this guy ain't shit... But since she came around, I said, man, this is a nice girl. She’s a fucking nice person.” (66:25–66:54)

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Key Timestamps

| Time | Segment | | --- | --- | | 02:12 | Hit-Boy & Alchemist introduced; legends in hip hop production | | 06:41 | Mutual respect, producer camaraderie, creative growth | | 07:17 | Hit-Boy breaks down “Niggas In Paris” | | 08:20 | “Sicko Mode” session story | | 09:06 | Fat Joe on the impact of “Sicko Mode” | | 12:20 | King’s Disease/Nas collaboration process | | 15:59 | Hit-Boy & Fat Joe on bad early publishing deals | | 16:08 | Fat Joe’s first check and the lost Lexus | | 32:52 | The producer “beat holding” phenomenon | | 34:10 | Alchemist’s “hammer and apple” Battery Studios story | | 46:11 | The meaning behind “Goldfish” album title | | 49:41 | Goldfish features and collaborative philosophy | | 51:19 | Alchemist on healthy producer rivalry & camaraderie | | 58:12 | Fat Joe on Alchemist's mainstream recognition; values of longevity | | 63:14 | Alchemist on Eminem’s relentless work ethic | | 64:18 | Goldfish film concept; movie stars involved | | 77:48 | Exclusive: “Business Merger” track preview | | 78:27 | Fat Joe gives flowers, closing highlights |

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Memorable, Funny, and Heartfelt Moments

• Battery Studios Apple Story:
  "Pun put an apple on his head. Joe took the hammer... made the apple move. I tell that story..." – Alchemist (34:10)
• Lost Lexus checking-out:
  “They stole that the first day I went to Fun Master Flex birthday party. Robbed the whole garage... three months later, I'm like one day to getting my $50,000 check back. They find the fucking Lexus. I wanted my 50,000 back.” – Fat Joe (16:08+)
• On early deals:
  "50 racks sounded like everything at that time." – Jada (15:59)
• On Eminem’s perfectionism:
  “He sent the same verse 30 times... but like with a different tone or cadence...” – Fat Joe (63:40)
• On not meeting idols:
  Fat Joe heartbreak after a rude Bruno Mars encounter, flipping expectations about industry heroes. (68:10–71:32)

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Preview: 'Business Merger' (Goldfish Album Track)

"Eyes closed in my heart open just to get this off my chest and left my heart broken... If you can't stay down then stay where you at..."
– An exclusive listen and breakdown with Hit-Boy, Alchemist, and Jada (74:39–77:43)

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Conclusion

This episode delivers a deep, unfiltered look at the high and low notes of hip-hop’s business and creative worlds. Listeners gain access to the mindsets and work ethics that fuel two of the most influential producers of their generation, and the stories behind some of rap’s most celebrated anthems. The show closes with a call to check out the Goldfish album, its accompanying film, and gratitude all around for the collaborative journey.

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Final Quotes:

"Goldfish, man. The album, the movie, the experience. Make sure y’all get it on all platforms."
— Hit-Boy (78:02)

"You moving, man. I'm proud of you, man."
— Fat Joe to Hit-Boy and Alchemist (78:27)

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Transcript

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[Fat Joe]

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[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

Welcome to Decoding Women's Health. I'm Dr. Elizabeth Poynter, Chair of Women's Health and Gynecology at the Atria Health Institute in New York City. I'll be talking to top researchers and clinicians and bringing vital information about midlife women's health directly to you. 100% of women go through menopause. Even if it's natural, why should we suffer through it? Listen to Decoding Women's Health with Dr. Elizabeth Poynter on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. Do we really need another podcast with a condescending finance bro trying to tell us how to spend our own money? No thank you. Instead, check out Brown Ambition. Each week I your host, Mandy Money gives you real talk, real advice with a heavy dose of I feel useless. Like on Fridays when I take your questions for the baqa. Whether you're trying to invest for your future, navigate a toxic workplace, I got you. Listen to Brown ambition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Alchemist]

You realize you were the first big artist to ever rap on a beat of mine.

[Hit-Boy]

Oh, man, I'm a cap for you today.

[Fat Joe]

I'm gonna cap.

[Alchemist]

I'm capping for you today. Hold on, let me. Yo, I bet you don't even.

[Fat Joe]

What's up, y'?

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

All?

[Fat Joe]

It's the biggest in the game. Joe Crack the dawn.

[Hit-Boy]

Know who it is. Your boy Jada. This is the Joe and Jada Show. Every show legendary, every show iconic. And today is another one of those.

[Fat Joe]

Ladies and gentlemen, super let you gotta go a little more legendary on the.

[Jada]

Intimate.

[Hit-Boy]

Excuse his cutting me off okay, but ladies and gentlemen, viewers, people with ears, if you love music, if you love authentic hip hop, if you love the culture, please make some noise for our guest today. Hit boy and my brother, Alchemy.

[Fat Joe]

You got Beethoven and Mozarts of the fucking of the 25th century. These is hieroglyphics, man. These ain't even icons. These are different type of solicitors up on the program over here. These guys were giving you. They've been. If you don't know who they are, they've been making your head. Not for the last 20, 30 years. How. How long?

[Alchemist]

I mean, for me.

[Jada]

Yeah, I started.

[Fat Joe]

You know, I'm like alchemist. You need that rewind. We need a white boy on the COVID I gotta talk to you. Boxer rewind get you that bad. Why fight the time when you could rewind the time?

[Alchemist]

Sometimes that like Lego. It looks like Lego.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, not this time. Don't with me. This is the real you be switching up shades.

[Hit-Boy]

Let me hear. No, no.

[Fat Joe]

Say he don't like the fake looking shoes. My don't look.

[Hit-Boy]

No, I don't.

[Fat Joe]

My soothing to the skin. It's my product. I'm trying to make you money while you sleep. Yeah. Here boy. One thing you going to do is you going to throw that on. Man. It was 90 degrees yesterday. I seen you with a fur coat on in the. In the middle of it.

[Hit-Boy]

You don't give up.

[Jada]

Sacrifice for the fly man.

[Fat Joe]

You in the entertainment zone, right?

[Jada]

Like 100.

[Fat Joe]

Like I've seen all the back of the day. Diana Ross refer coach in the summer. Like who gets. We gotta adapt to any. You know. I adapt to any weather. That's what I'm trying to say.

[Jada]

We had to listen in that Stone Island. So they gave us some like custom pieces, you know. Yeah, you had to throw that on.

[Hit-Boy]

Shout out to Stone island away from. You know what I mean? I. I've been connected, but it ain't.

[Jada]

It ain't.

[Hit-Boy]

Plymouth Rock didn't land nobody.

[Fat Joe]

Give us. I don't get.

[Alchemist]

I'm free.

[Jada]

I got a crazy setup in here, though. This is nice.

[Fat Joe]

No, no. We the biggest in the game, but thank you. Okay. He makes that. My business partner always wanted to be humble about this. I'm not delusional.

[Jada]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Like, I know we the biggest in the game. We moving the whole culture. We the guys 100, you know, we play a record, change their singles. Be careful. Y' all got new music here. Yeah, because I guarantee you gonna change the single. Whatever you play here becomes the single. Tiana Taylor Came and said I played the 13th song on the album, became her single. Too many people.

[Alchemist]

I see everything here and played that.

[Fat Joe]

Mom.

[Hit-Boy]

See what he's doing. Shout out came up in here in.

[Fat Joe]

The country with a sombrero, 5 million views. It changed this single. We are controlling the culture right now. We're not delusional.

[Alchemist]

You're not lying, man.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, but listen, we love you, man. You ain't bring Erica Badu to this one. I didn't even got Erykah Badu over here, huh?

[Alchemist]

She gonna pull up, man. It only when it's time.

[Hit-Boy]

When it's time, we ain't gonna talk. We ain't gonna. We gonna get into y' all new project. Y' all collaborating in a minute. But it only makes sense for y' all to do something together because I've been controlling the fucking. I've been controlling shit for the past. How does that just feel? You know what I mean?

[Jada]

That's ill. I mean, the last. What about five years? Every end of the year list is. They'd be like alchemist, hit boy, like top producer list and shit. So for us to tap in, it just, you know, it made sense, you know, I mean, I got hella respect for bro and obviously legendary. And I'm getting to learn from, you know, I mean, I'm a student in this. I'm always trying to learn, trying to pick up new techniques, new ways to think about shit. And I'll just. He got that game for sure.

[Hit-Boy]

I'mma drop some titles and you just give us. What was it like making it? What was the. What was the whole journey when. When I named these joints first things first in Paris.

[Jada]

Oh, damn straightforward.

[Hit-Boy]

I mean, let's not even play with it.

[Jada]

Man.

[Fat Joe]

You foul for making.

[Jada]

Nah, I mean, bro, shit, that was. That was a bubble. That shit still ringing off. I just seen ho do it at.

[Hit-Boy]

The last Beyonce show in Vegas.

[Jada]

Raiders. There's 100,000 motherfuckers in there. That shit went crowd. But I was just a kid excited, making beats, having fun with this shit, you know what I mean? I had flew out here to New York. I did some records with hov and ye on that. Never seen the light of day. I was hyping on them records and shit. I'm going back to the city, telling the homies, man, I got hov rapping on my shit. Ye and then none of them joints became anything like the beat for N s in Paris was just a beat. I had email. Yeah, like months prior. Wasn't thinking about this shit at all he hit me like, bro, we just did this song out in Paris, and when this shit dropped, your life about to change. Nigga was right.

[Fat Joe]

That's what he said, man.

[Jada]

That's what he said.

[Hit-Boy]

Let's talk about this one.

[Fat Joe]

Sicko mode.

[Jada]

Sicko mo.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Jada]

I mean, shit, I did the first part of it. This nigga my n Now, I mean, I did the first part of it, you know what I mean? Like the Drake part. Me and my boy Roger produced that together. And that actually is crazy because I did some shit on Travis album that came out prior to Astroworld. Birds in the Trap. I did a song called Way Back the Day that shit came out. Birds in the Trap. Travis hit me like, bro, I got a big session tonight. I got a session with Drake. I need you to send me some bombs. And I sent the Sigo mode beat. That nigga FaceTimed me the next day, going crazy playing the joint. But he was like, we're gonna have to hold this shit to the next album. So I had to hold that beat for two years.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but you knew that was a force field. You knew that whenever that shit. No, that was. Come on. In Paris, the Sycamore. Them joints, that's unconscious, like, you know what I'm saying? When we heard Sycamore, just as fans, that was unfucking real. And that was something that my daughter kept, like, I think Covid, right? That just was like. That was playing in Covet.

[Jada]

Yeah, it was, right.

[Fat Joe]

Legendary. You know, I had a cucuzzi in Covid, so I was scared to go to the pool, so I had like a little round koozie. And every day.

[Jada]

What's the koozie, man?

[Fat Joe]

It ain't quite a Jacuzzi. It's a cocoon mixed with maybe like a 300 plastic filled up with water, sitting in the sun. In Miami, like, I wasn't with nobody here, I had the cucuzzi, the kakuzi, but that Sycamore, Come on, dope. Heavy rotation.

[Jada]

That's tough.

[Hit-Boy]

Let me ask you about some more.

[Jada]

Hold on.

[Dr. J]

Click.

[Jada]

Damn. Click.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, Nobody messing with my click. I was there for that.

[Jada]

Yeah, somebody a big sign, too. You know what I mean? We. We've been. We didn't have all type of platinum records, and. But yeah, first time I heard that, I was actually. I was in the Hamptons working on Beyonce album. And ye brought the final version through right before he put the album out. Cold. Was it cold Summer, some shit like that. And yeah, I did a few records on there, but click. That's just, you know, they all snapped on that shit.

[Hit-Boy]

Speaking of Beyonce, let's go right into feeling myself.

[Fat Joe]

What was.

[Hit-Boy]

How you pause? What's that like, man?

[Jada]

Again, bro? Just having joints, like, you know, she invited me to the stool. She was at record playing Beyonce, and I went and played some beats for her. She did that joint, and next thing I know, Nikki was on it. She used that shit for the album. They did a video all like, I got more.

[Hit-Boy]

Drop the world, man. Lil Wayne featuring Eminem.

[Jada]

Oh, yeah. That was like. That was the first time people really in the hip hop world start seeing, you know, like, my name and a bigger platform, you know, I mean, that was probably the first, like, platinum song I had produced. Me and my boy chasing cash out, chasing cash and yeah, just young. That was like 2010, bro. That was the first one I was. That was before streaming and all that. So I'm on the itunes charts watching that just go up and it went to number one. I'm like, damn, that was crazy for me.

[Hit-Boy]

Yeah, super fire, Backseat freestyle, man. Kendrick Lamar, man.

[Jada]

Where'd you. Yeah, I had. I went to Vegas with TDE and Kendrick before he put out Good kid Mad City. We was just locked in on joints again. That was another one where it's like he had put his vocals on some other beats, and I was like, hype off that shit. He like, bro, I fuck with them joints, but let me. Let me hear a few more beats type shit. Him and Dave free pulled up to my crib. That was one of the first beats I played. He was like, this is it. Took it, wrote to it. And he was on tour. He texted me like, bro, we got one. He's like, this on the album for sure. Yeah, good man.

[Hit-Boy]

Goldie, asap.

[Jada]

Rocky, man, I up because I. I got invited to that video with him and yams in Paris, and I didn't make it. I don't know why I didn't go, but that would have been a crazy look, you know what I mean? RPMs and, you know. Yeah, go. That was like. That was really, bro, like, first single on a major label type shit. You know what I mean? So that was Pivotal moment like that, you know, help both, you know, go into that stratosphere fire.

[Hit-Boy]

Now let's talk about the King's disease trilogy. How you. What happened?

[Jada]

That's CO just called you and said, man, really? My boy double right here was with bro. Yeah, they was doing double business. I seen double post Nas on his story. I just hit that nigga like, bro, you gotta have this nigga pull up. Literally, he like, man, he gonna slide tomorrow. I'm thinking n bullshitting. He slid and was open to my ideas. I had some hook ideas with, like, Don Toliver that ended up going on the album. I had some Anderson pa. I just was playing my ideas, and he was laying verses and really with me. So I'm like. He like, after the session, like, I'm gonna keep pulling up. I'm thinking, like, come on, this is Nas. This thing ain't gonna keep pulling up. Then he pulled up for three years straight. We did six hours.

[Fat Joe]

Let me ask you the Nas process. Does he take long to spit a verse? Because he looked like one of them guys? Take long?

[Jada]

No. I mean, if he looks for sure, it's like, if it's the right beat.

[Fat Joe]

I mean, bro, I don't know how you.

[Hit-Boy]

We threw up.

[Jada]

We put out 80 songs in three years.

[Hit-Boy]

He was.

[Jada]

He was speeding through already. Yeah, he was speeding through also. He had 80 songs in three years. Hell, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

I like that. Car 85. That car 85 was my. On that album. I really loved that first album. Know what I'm saying? That car 85 and 88. They call me Baby Face.

[Jada]

Yeah.

[Dr. J]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

That was hard.

[Jada]

Snap.

[Fat Joe]

That was hard.

[Jada]

Charlie Wilson singing on that.

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

More for you.

[Fat Joe]

That was hard.

[Hit-Boy]

Now the valleys and peaks in the industry just got out of a publishing deal.

[Jada]

Yeah.

[Hit-Boy]

Home helped you get out of that.

[Jada]

Yeah.

[Hit-Boy]

Shout out to ho. He always coming through.

[Jada]

Shout out to him and Desiree Day. I mean, no. Pulled that power play, man, and got me an end date, because I didn't have no end dates on my.

[Fat Joe]

Robbed for, like, 14 years.

[Jada]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

My is different. He came to me like, yo, we the only Latinos in the industry. And this and that robbed me in pun. 14 years, man.

[Hit-Boy]

And you didn't slap him?

[Fat Joe]

Couldn't that n. We never saw him.

[Hit-Boy]

Oh, he got. He got missing into that.

[Fat Joe]

Nah, he's just. He's in a different realm. He's kid. It's Jelly Bean Benitez, and he hanging out with Madonna and them. He ain't coming around our shit. So if he would have came around, allegedly, you know what's up, right? But he's nowhere to be, you know what I'm saying? He was nowhere to be found. So we in different circles. But eventually, like, you know what happened to me? Beat this. I did a soundtrack, right? And I asked him for 150,000. Yeah, right. I'm like, yo. And I did the song, and I said, y' all need 150,000 at that time. I was really going for that bread at that time. And he said, hold up, we ain't approved it all the way. Yeah. I said, why? He said, well, your publisher's asking for 300. I said, what? I ain't see this man in 14 years. That's when it was like, oh, no, we got the finder. This is.

[Hit-Boy]

Find a medium.

[Fat Joe]

You gotta find a. This gotta find his way outta here. Because I didn't know this guy was raping me on that level. He wasn't giving them the permission for me to be on the soundtrack. And he wanted double the money. And I never seen him a man never gave me a chance. What year he got out of that $6,000 check, man? Just before laying back. So I got that song I did was laying back.

[Jada]

Yeah, I think.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, that's. Yeah.

[Hit-Boy]

And.

[Fat Joe]

And so with you, how did they get you for the. The publishing that was like raping you records, huh?

[Jada]

I mean, I was one year out of high school.

[Hit-Boy]

Why you gotta use my label?

[Fat Joe]

As you say, man, yesterday I came up with some ill labels.

[Jada]

Yeah, no, I mean, I heard. I signed the deal one year out of high school at 19. I mean, 50 racks sounded like everything at that time.

[Fat Joe]

Same thing with me. I bought the Lexus for 49, 950. They stole that the first day I went to Fun Master Flex birthday party. Robbed the whole garage. I'm all over Brooklyn, Mop. Everybody was with me looking for the Lexus. Let me tell you something, you talking about all the way up there. The 50 they gave me. They stole the car the first day.

[Alchemist]

Mop was looking for the Lexus too.

[Fat Joe]

With me, the whole Brooklyn. Because one of the guys got caught. So they robbed the whole garage. It was a palladium from Master Flexburg.

[Hit-Boy]

Robbed all the cars, the whole garage.

[Fat Joe]

He took the Mexican man, robbed him Palladium. So around the corner, they robbed the whole garage. Any fly car. One of them got caught. He happened to be from Brooklyn. So we studied. We. We was all over Brooklyn, all over Brooklyn looking for this Lexus. In every garage. Every mop was with us. Freddie, Billy, everybody running through. What's the little guy down with them too? What's my little man? Damn, man, Fox all of them. But anyway, we a thousand deep drop the whole Brooklyn. New Fat Joe's looking for this Lexus. We all over.

[Alchemist]

We.

[Fat Joe]

Come on, man, let me tell you something, but let me tell you the story. Three months later, I'm like one day to getting my $50,000 check back. They find A fucking Lexus. I wanted my 50,000 back. I might have had a G in the bank account, B. I was like, yo, I'm gonna get 50 back, yo.

[Alchemist]

Chill.

[Fat Joe]

I made a mistake with the Lexus one day. Your Lexus has been found. I'm like, fuck, I ain't want that shit found. I wanted 50,000 they found. No, this guy was driving it like it was his car when they found it. He had car seat in the back, kids books. This guy was driving his kids to school. He owned the Lexus for three months. You can't tell nobody to this day. He probably in Brooklyn. Like, yo, remember you had the LS4? Yeah, you know, that's how that go. You know what I'm saying?

[Jada]

But it's crazy.

[Fat Joe]

We got it back, but I know about that, man.

[Hit-Boy]

How's it working with your pops, man? Did a lot of time. I just came from the prisons talking to the dudes up north. Shout out to Marcy and Mid State. He was working with him.

[Jada]

Yeah, he backed down right now, man. Free him. You know what I mean? It was a 30 year, you know, I mean, saga dealing with this my whole life, you know? You know, that is a roller coaster, man. He really is who we say he is, you know what I mean? Like, he really bought that shit. So it's kind of hard to. To tame that. But, you know, I'll be doing the best I can just trying to keep that nigga busy, keep him working. He was on stage when Kendrick got the pop out. Yeah, you songs with Snoop, whole album with Game and shit.

[Fat Joe]

What's the problem if he keeps going back? Like, what is it? Is it like substance abuse? Is it like he's just a real.

[Hit-Boy]

Nigga that stand on it standing?

[Fat Joe]

I want to be a real nigga at home.

[Jada]

Yeah. Nah, for sure. No, Sam. Sam, nigga. Oh, God. I couldn't imagine, bro, he being, you know, being around niggas all day, bro. Hell nah, fuck that. But, you know, he just. He's just a wild dude. He don't really follow rules. He don't follow rules, man.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, Alchemist. You ready for the Alchemist? Or you got like. I mean, you know, Alchemist. Tell you something. We prepared for him.

[Alchemist]

You.

[Fat Joe]

We know you like the battle of hand, bro. We like. My favorite beat I ever rapped to in my whole career of 30 something years is definition of a don.

[Alchemist]

Wow.

[Fat Joe]

It's my favorite. I say it all the time. I don't know if you see it on interviews or whatever the case.

[Alchemist]

That's crazy.

[Fat Joe]

It's because it's is such a real song, real to be. It's just when I hear that that, you know, if you ever want to know the real Fat Joe, you listen to that song. That's Fat Joe telling you that's the real Fat Joe. Like, it ain't like I made a song for this and that. That, that's like me definition describing the autobiography of my life. Definition of a dawn that she could throw. Now I'm like, yo, my God, man.

[Alchemist]

But I remember that. You don't even know how much. I bet there's some shit you forgot. You realize. You realize you were the first big artist to ever rap on a beat of mine.

[Hit-Boy]

Oh, man, I'm a cap for you today.

[Alchemist]

I'm capping for you today. Hold on, let me. Yo, I bet you don't even remember. You remember the Cypress Hill remix, Tequila Sunrise? I was just underneath mugs at the time. I was still living in la. You weren't even flying yet. You had the tour bus. I don't forget none of this shit because this was a big, you know, Muggs was giving me a shot. Like, yo, you gonna do the remix and we gonna get Fat Joe on it. And that was a big break for me. Like, yo, it's Tequila Sunrise remix, man.

[Fat Joe]

Not only you saying that I get goosebumps right now because Cypress Hills is only, you know, us being Latino, me and Pun, they were pretty much the only guys we looked up to, you know what I'm saying? They set the bar so it was like, yo, we want to be like Cypress Hills, you know what I'm saying? Like they was like on another level of. You know what I mean? They were the only guys we could look up to. And what's crazy is we still look up to them, you know what I'm saying? So those guys. But damn, I ain't know that. You know, I've been around a long time. You know, you guys are producers.

[Jada]

What year was that?

[Alchemist]

96 foreign.

[Hit-Boy]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Hit-Boy]

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[Fat Joe]

All I know is what I've been.

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

Told and that's a half truth is a whole lie.

[Maggie Freeling]

For almost a decade, the murder of an 18 year old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[Fat Joe]

I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her.

[Maggie Freeling]

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[Hit-Boy]

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[Maggie Freeling]

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[Hit-Boy]

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[Rapper (possibly Conway or another featured artist)]

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[Fat Joe]

Made me say that I took a.

[Hunter (Host of Hunting for Answers)]

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[Fat Joe]

They made me say that I poured gas on her.

[Maggie Freeling]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Maggie Freeling]

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[Hunter (Host of Hunting for Answers)]

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[Dr. J]

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[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

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[Dr. J]

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[Fat Joe]

Scott Storch, you know, I changed his life.

[Alchemist]

You know what I'm saying? Talk about it. It.

[Fat Joe]

That was. That was the reverse rapism. They had that boy doing all them hits and they wouldn't give him credit.

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

And so Rob Reef too, by the way. Only A R that I ever. One of the greatest is from One of the greatest. Changed my life, made me millionaire. This guy, Rob Reef Tulo. Cause the other day I shitted on a Rs. What I don't like.

[Alchemist]

He's a different breed.

[Fat Joe]

He's from that era.

[Alchemist]

Rob was the best maybe ever. And even back in those days, he made sure I got my bread, even if it was a little bit, because they didn't have to do that shit. He was one of those guys. I don't know. Hats off to Reef, man. Straight up.

[Fat Joe]

Let me explain. I don't even want to go there because I don't want to turn this interview into a Cap interview. Right?

[Hit-Boy]

But thank you.

[Fat Joe]

What I can say.

[Dr. J]

Go.

[Fat Joe]

Let me tell you something. Rob Reef Tullo changed my life. You know what I'm saying? He heard. You know what I'm saying? I was working with Biggie on a project, and he came and divide and conquer. He said, yo, you doing this work with Biggie? I said, yeah. I only had two albums before that. I had no money, no nothing. Flo Jo, none of that shit. Made money. Sold records. This, this and that. He was like, yo, I want to give you your own label. He took me to Atlantic. And because I was going to put out a project with Biggie, it's the only reason I never sold. I didn't deserve my own record label.

[Alchemist]

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. You had records with Biggie?

[Fat Joe]

Yes. Where you at? Under a rock.

[Alchemist]

I'm trying to tell you, they never came.

[Fat Joe]

That's the inception. That's the exception of Cap Joe, because I told people I was doing a man, I don't. Where are these records? Listen, I don't have it. No, no, no, no. How come, Miss? No, I'm too real. He know I ain't gonna lie.

[Alchemist]

Never.

[Fat Joe]

Me and Biggie was cutting records. He want to be the Black Dawn. I'm the Spanish Dawn. Some people call it Cap. Whatever. This is crazy. But Rob Tulo, as the A and R of Atlantic, heard that I was doing this project and stepped to me and was like, yo, you doing it? And I'm like, yeah. And he was like, yo, yo, I want to give you your own record label. I didn't even deserve the record label at the time. All the million dollars. I might have had two grand in my fucking bank account.

[Alchemist]

You had Pun already, right?

[Fat Joe]

No, not yet.

[Alchemist]

This was TS this is Terror Squad Records, right?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but this is the beginning. This is before Pun or nothing like that. It was just me. I only had two albums out. Hustling is the key to success of Flo Jo. So Rob came and gave me millions. My own record label. And that's why they gave me my record label. Because he was like, if Biggie fucking with this guy. Fat Joe's on the shot. Ya, with LL and all them, that was out already. Let's grab him, right? Yeah, that was out. So he was like, no, the momentum, the projection was there. It just wasn't there. You know how we all say Big l wouldn't have died? He would have been the biggest. So I was like, projected to win, but I wasn't there yet. And Rob took the chance with me and did that same thing with Scott Storch. When he introduced me to Scott Storch. And he was just so talented. And I was just like, yo. And I'm the first to go, yo, Scott Storch on a hit record.

[Jada]

I just used that tag on a song. He just played some keys on the song I just dropped with Az Chike and Baby Tron and the homie Spank Nitty.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, you heard the Yo, Scott Storch, what's up?

[Jada]

I put that shit on.

[Fat Joe]

After that, he had cheese lines outside his thing. But let me tell you what's crazy about you producers, man. Yo, Jada, it's the truth.

[Alchemist]

Scott's too good.

[Fat Joe]

After I shouted out Scott Storch, I'm going to the studio. It's Method Man, Redman, this one, that was cheese lines of rappers. Whoever's your number one rapper is out. Jada, was you on the line? Yes, he was. He was. Yours was over Scotty's. Yo, what up, nephew? I ain't see you up here. Yo, let me tell you something. Give Fat Joe credit, but I set a lot of trends in this game.

[Alchemist]

I seen Scott's story.

[Hit-Boy]

You know, we have Hit Boy and our Good Miss Hit. Scott Storch is a whole nother.

[Fat Joe]

No, he can't. But let me tell you something. Like, no, it's a lot of Scott Storch stories. Listen, so I go to Scott Storch. See, yo, that man is Leonardo Dicaprio. Of the music game.

[Alchemist]

When he tells his story, he got stories.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, my God.

[Hit-Boy]

He lived a life.

[Alchemist]

He lived the life.

[Fat Joe]

Did you guys have no super life? Do you guys ever, like, make a pact? So you come see Jada and it's like, all right, I hear this for Jada, but you keep the other pack for Jay Z. I used to hate these producers. They come in the studio to bring us beats. They be playing some shit. They be like, oh, this is for hov h to this. O P to the. I'm over there trying to make a hit. My mind. I got a wrench around my brain trying to crack open or something.

[Hit-Boy]

Went through a lot of that on bad boy with big. You know what it be to say, Nah, that's for big.

[Fat Joe]

Did you play it for me? That were coming the with, they'd be like, oh, I can't really give you that.

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

That.

[Fat Joe]

That's the red man. And he'll be like, yo, my man. Like, what the. What you giving me? I'm chopped liver.

[Alchemist]

We used to come to the studio. You remember those days, like in Battery, when y' all would have, like, album mode, and we used to come and line up, it would be buck wild, rockweiler, whoever come with the dash and have to play beats. Yeah, but y' all used to have the fucking shenanigans. Like, I remember one time, it was you and Pun at the studio, and I came in the studio to play beats, and it was. It was. It was a hammer on the table, allegedly. You know what I'm saying?

[Dr. J]

Right?

[Alchemist]

So I walked in, and Plum was sitting all the way on the back on the couch against the wall. Right?

[Fat Joe]

That's what he used to say. And he put a. He.

[Alchemist]

He went and grabbed the apple. He put an apple on his head. Let's see if you're lying. He put an apple on his head.

[Fat Joe]

Holy. Take the. He put. Listen, I ain't spoke to Joe in a minute.

[Alchemist]

He put an apple on his head. He said, yo, Joe. Joe. Joe said right now, right here, he said, joe, go.

[Fat Joe]

Go. Go ahead.

[Alchemist]

Go ahead. Joe said, nah, we can't do that.

[Fat Joe]

Right? He said, go, go, go.

[Alchemist]

Joe took the hammer and put. Went like this. They made. Made the. It was a.

[Fat Joe]

It was an air gun.

[Alchemist]

Oh, yeah, he made it.

[Fat Joe]

He made the apple move. I tell that story recently about. He did that with Tony Sunshine today. You know, they never put us in Battery Studios again, Tone. Sunshine put the apple on some young. This little white engineer.

[Alchemist]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

And they. Pun did the same shot it. They never Let me rent baddest studio again in my life. It was my favorite.

[Alchemist]

Studio sessions were crazy. Those sessions were crazy, man.

[Hit-Boy]

That one, he gets one taken back.

[Fat Joe]

He gets from the cap.

[Alchemist]

Story checks out.

[Hit-Boy]

He gets his time out, and he gets another challenge.

[Alchemist]

Those are crazy days, man. But yeah, I mean, you know, but.

[Fat Joe]

They were the fun days for sure. See, I thought you was a member of Mob Deep.

[Alchemist]

Like me.

[Hit-Boy]

Shitty. You can say that.

[Fat Joe]

Well, the way I looked at it, yeah, right, because you got Havoc, you know, calling that the number one album of all time produced straight up. I see. I see lists all the time where Infamous. Yes, Infamous is. And so you come afterwards and team up with Prodigy. So you putting in work with Cameron.

[Jada]

Murder.

[Alchemist]

Murder Music is when I got down.

[Fat Joe]

Come in when he already has a doctor dream. So I thought you was the third member of Mark Deep. I swear to God.

[Alchemist]

Listen, I tell Hav all the time. I thank him, and that's a real testament to confidence.

[Fat Joe]

He's Havoc.

[Alchemist]

He made a whole sound, son. So when I got to to New York, I was around, soaking up all that, figuring out how to make the drums a certain way. Like, have is a mastermind genius. We know this, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, the connection was through Cyprus. So it's funny how I work, you know, Muggs was working with the Mob. I came to New York, he linked me with them. And they just saw me in New York, like, just out here, Dolo still repping Soul Assassins. But they were like, come with us. You know. And then I just. I was out here kind of by myself. So them putting me into the mix, you know how that made me feel? Like, think of that Mob Murder music is. They already did Hell on Earth. Infamous.

[Fat Joe]

That's what I'm trying.

[Alchemist]

I was a fan when I met him. You know what I'm saying? So the fact they let. And you know how it is. It was gradual too, because they're not the type to just be like, come on and you with us.

[Fat Joe]

It took a while until I was like, kwan's wedding. And I went, you know how you go to a wedding? They give you them shuttle bus sitting next to Riz and his wife. RZA turns around is like, I used to let you, you know, work with Ray, yo. I'm like, you know, some crews, they wouldn't even let you work with each other. They'd be like, yo. He was like, like, yo. You know, I'm glad we at the wedding, because, you know, how do you feel about that? I mean, that's that. You know, Rizza was a boss.

[Hit-Boy]

That's like. You call my outfit a little outfit? He kind of like little.

[Fat Joe]

I used to let you wear Binky in the Brain. That shit looking fly right there. But, you know, your brother compliments your outfits, man. You could say something about my outfit, man.

[Hit-Boy]

It's outfit.

[Fat Joe]

See, boy, he won't give him a compliment for nothing.

[Jada]

Gosh damn it.

[Alchemist]

Like this.

[Hit-Boy]

Compliments all the time.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, listen, but where we was at with Cruz, like, even me, right? And not. Please, I don't want to start no type of beef. I worship you guys. I love you guys to death. But I'm a member of Digging in the Crates from the beginning. And I remember when they asked me to do. I shot you, LL's. I shot you with Keep My Course. Some of the members was like, yo, we don't rock with no. They was the underground. They was underground. They didn't believe that it was forbidden.

[Hit-Boy]

For you to do a shingle that was about to blow. They didn't want you.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. With my idol, LL Cool J, I was like, yo, this is my idol. This guy's four time player, James. They was like, strictly underground.

[Alchemist]

There's seven members in Digging in the crate. Let's get to it.

[Fat Joe]

Who was it? No, I can't. But what I'm saying to you, what I'm saying is two to three members. No, I think I know who it was. Two to three members know who it was.

[Alchemist]

No, it wasn't show.

[Fat Joe]

It wasn't show. I knew it was like, it's two or three members that was like, yo, we rock with us. When I was. I said, look, that was the one time I said, man, I don't.

[Hit-Boy]

Wasn't. It wasn't Andre the Giant.

[Fat Joe]

Leave it alone. So it wasn't.

[Alchemist]

We can narrow it down, but that record was hard.

[Fat Joe]

I was born yesterday. No, it was a stepping stone. You know what I'm saying? It was almost like a pop that at French Montana. Like, it was a time like, Put me on another. Was that a Chris Lighty? Chris Lighty and Chris Lighty and track masters. Yeah, but Chris, they fucked with me. They fucked with me hard. So they came, they heard my second album. I was working that battery. It was like, yo, you want to jump on this, LL but I know about, you know, you working with Prodigy, you know, I know they must have had some internal talks.

[Hit-Boy]

Like, yo, ah, man, we ain't talking about that. Made it in. He made the.

[Alchemist]

It was always love. Ab Always showed me love. But we kind of, you know, steel.

[Hit-Boy]

Sharp and still, like, we gotta shout out my man Keg, AKA Rockstar, AKA Rolly, because he put us together.

[Alchemist]

That's right. And yo, you know what's crazy?

[Hit-Boy]

You doing this thing now.

[Fat Joe]

Shout out to God. You might have gave him their best record ever.

[Alchemist]

And you know what's crazy? Do you remember?

[Fat Joe]

No, no, that's a phone.

[Hit-Boy]

No, it's definitely time to.

[Fat Joe]

All right. He had a fan. I don't know if you.

[Hit-Boy]

Like when you gave me still feeling. Feel me.

[Alchemist]

This is another connection. That's crazy.

[Hit-Boy]

Look at this. You kidding me?

[Alchemist]

Remember the beat for Bring It On. Remember to be for Bring It On.

[Fat Joe]

Huh?

[Alchemist]

Don't know. Remember the Bring it on beat, right?

[Fat Joe]

Bring It On.

[Alchemist]

So there was a Stretch. It was a stretch.

[Hit-Boy]

Through that beat in the Cobra Clutch you talking about.

[Alchemist]

And then. And then Stretch came and told me y' all was asking who did the beat because I didn't know y' all yet. So shout out to Stretch.

[Hit-Boy]

If I went up on Stretch, we balled up. Now what's the real story? This the last time we ever gonna talk about this, because Shout out to my brother Rascat.

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

Shout out.

[Fat Joe]

Hold on. I ain't gonna say shout out to his son. Rascat's the legend.

[Hit-Boy]

Let me say Adrian Moses. Chill out. I'm talking for me. Can I have my moment? I didn't want to take my moment.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, let me get my moment. This cafe. Of course you can try.

[Hit-Boy]

Now, what I'm saying. So whatever happened? Because all I know, you came and played me some beats. I picked that in that. Yeah. And then I got a. You know what I mean? So when. Because it's really you. But I took the. I took the heat for it, but it was really Al. He didn't tell me what was going on with it. We took the heat. This the last time we ever going to talk about this. Because it's all love.

[Alchemist]

So it was just a mix up, man. It was a misunderstanding. I had love for both of y'. All. I still do, you know. Shout out to Rat. I just saw Rash last week. His, you know, living legend. His kids are killing it post contra. It was. It was a mix up. It was early in my career, you know what I'm saying? And it was like. It was a lot of little moving parts and that happened. But in the end, you know, I wish it didn't go that way. You know what I'm saying? But then in the end, the record we made definitely became something that lasted forever. And Shout out to Raz too. You know what I mean? It was. It was just a mix up back in that time, but, you know, I wish the best for everybody. Boy, everybody's doing great now.

[Fat Joe]

Well, you know what? That happened to me, yo.

[Hit-Boy]

Don't tell me. We all will.

[Fat Joe]

Ahead of time.

[Alchemist]

What beat did he have first?

[Jada]

Damn.

[Fat Joe]

Fuji Live with Star Spangled Banner In My Face by Salaam Remy Me right after Flo Jo. And I'm telling you, I wouldn't have did a better job than Fuji la. But I was in his house in Manhattan. He made Fuji lie in my face for Fat Joe. We used to be number one. He said Lauryn Hill came like two hours later and was like, oh, no, not Fat Joe. This is my shit. And they snatched up that Fuji lie. It was made for me. If you listen to Fuji LA is the same type of drum, just Flo Jo, same pace, saying everything. She came and threw that shit in the Cobra clutch, was like, yo, I need this.

[Hit-Boy]

Let me get that, B.

[Fat Joe]

Okay.

[Hit-Boy]

I just heard recently you said Win or Lose was originally for me and Pete.

[Alchemist]

I never told you. No, See, this is what happened, you know, when we were doing Mob albums.

[Hit-Boy]

Can we hear that?

[Fat Joe]

Yo, could you play Win or Lose right now, James?

[Alchemist]

Win or Lose, man.

[Fat Joe]

Think about that, too.

[Alchemist]

Imagine this. We were finishing the Mob album. And like, when we were doing the album, we would go to the studio and work, but sometimes they would come to my crib crib and you record joints. So that was a joint I had in my crib in the computer. So the album was done. And I was like, I went secretly. I hadn't told you, but I was like, hoping they would forget because I wanted to put SP&KISS on it. And then P came to my crib, like a week before they were finishing the album was like, yo, remember that was that one joint we had in the computer? And I was like, oh, yeah. But you know, you know what I'm saying? I always thought, what would that have been like, man? Because all they wanted do to imagine, you know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

You know, here in George J. We don't let nobody finish their answers.

[Hit-Boy]

I'm glad he said, I'm glad. That was one of the best things you ever said.

[Fat Joe]

Y. Thank you, brother.

[Hit-Boy]

They need to clarity on that, man.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, I need to do a clip of, like, you know, what happens is I just be like, ideas come up while I'm hearing them. Like, oh, I got a bit of.

[Jada]

I feel it.

[Fat Joe]

I got to work on this. That Put it up.

[Hit-Boy]

Cranky cracker man.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, you would have went crazy, right? Imagine that, yo. You would have went crazy.

[Alchemist]

I had the right idea.

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

Whoa.

[Rapper (possibly Conway or another featured artist)]

Yes, yes. Another day, another, another dollar. It's about getting money give me a holla my nose running I've been out in the cold hustle for so long my hands numb but bet I feel that paper hit my palm it's like, oh, shitty song. Time to go shopping for cars not fashion I wish be the ball my clothes be the same that we had on looking cute say that for the br. It's the ajbo see? Dump and reload knock, knock Instead I'm clashing through the pen charges paid lawyers so we beat those, get locked in them slutting lady CEO be the only. You know that they pos. They push our fouls to the top you still on parole we got money to roll no time for paying attention.

[Alchemist]

He was different, man.

[Fat Joe]

If I was you, I wouldn't want to hear that.

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

That's.

[Fat Joe]

That's. Well, anyway, that's a legendary song, but that. That definitely got the locks written off. It would have been us.

[Hit-Boy]

The time for the toast, when we.

[Fat Joe]

Talk about the new stuff.

[Hit-Boy]

Yeah, we going to toast to the new album. Then we going to talk about it.

[Fat Joe]

Well, we could toast the life and.

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

The life and the life.

[Hit-Boy]

They got the new album, Goldfish, you.

[Fat Joe]

Know what I mean?

[Jada]

With these two album in the film.

[Hit-Boy]

Album in the film. We going to toast right quick.

[Fat Joe]

What? What? Who came up with the title? And why is it called Goldfish?

[Jada]

I mean, shit, life be like that. We be stuck in a bowl, just going in circles and shit sometimes, you know what I mean? It's like, you know, mentally, whatever it is, but it's a couple meanings when you see it, you know what I mean? You don't really understand what's going on.

[Hit-Boy]

Now. Y' all both spitters turn producers or producers turn spitters.

[Jada]

I was making my own songs before I made beats.

[Fat Joe]

And I.

[Jada]

Man, to be honest, the beat shit was just on some, like, fun shit for me, you know, just still is. It's like I replaced playing video games with making beats because the FL studio looked like Tetris. They was clowning that when they dropped, like niggas. Like, real producers don't use, you know, fruity Loops now it's like all the Drake hits, a lot of Kendrick hits, a lot of getting made on fl, you know what I mean?

[Fat Joe]

You know, with me, I don't care where the.

[Hit-Boy]

That beat came from, long as it's knocking. Neither do we hit it with two Fruit Loop boxes?

[Alchemist]

Who gives a shit?

[Hit-Boy]

Shit is knocking. I don't really give a fuck.

[Fat Joe]

They got the rumor to have it came up with the ship and the project. The light the. From the stove in the project.

[Hit-Boy]

Yeah, that really came from that well.

[Fat Joe]

That's what the room is. I don't know if it's conf.

[Hit-Boy]

That's hard because everybody stove did that.

[Fat Joe]

It's a good story back.

[Alchemist]

I think it was just the engineer playing the high hats in the beginning.

[Hit-Boy]

Maybe it fits. It's a good.

[Alchemist]

I like it.

[Fat Joe]

Let me turn.

[Hit-Boy]

Gold bottles, goldfish. More life, more wealth. How many times you ever shipped the ace on the ace of spade?

[Jada]

Yeah, right, right, right. Nice.

[Alchemist]

This classy. This real classy right here, man.

[Jada]

Back on the drink. We was just in starless last night. Hours ago, man. I'm still recovering.

[Hit-Boy]

Go ahead, crash.

[Fat Joe]

We don't bring that into these conversations. Every time somebody say some shit like that, you start to hide behind the pillow and shit. Yo, how was starlets?

[Jada]

It was amazing, man. Great time.

[Alchemist]

I love it.

[Fat Joe]

Lose your family in that, huh?

[Jada]

Man, that's the devil's den. It's a good spot, man.

[Fat Joe]

Let me.

[Jada]

It's a good spot.

[Fat Joe]

I'm sitting in Bobby booby trap. One night in Miami. I'm my man money. And we throwing so much money. So much this. And I turned around, I seen the greatest Caribbean, Asian, white, the Spanish. I said, oh, no, the devil. I gotta seek the kingdom. The devil's in here. This is the devil's lair. We gotta get out of here. Sometimes you gotta run out of a space. A place like that, I feel it. I'm at the Yankee. By the way, they call me the Bad News. What? They call me the Jinx. I'm the Mush. We won last night, right? That boy Judge hit that out the park. May have had the. He told the whole. Yo, he himself so royally. He told the whole section, if Judge hits a home run, I'm buying drinks that hit the home run. They had to buy every. Don't go messing with Cotton on Joe. These are different kind of fans out there. Feel like triple of Tito's doubles. I say, yo, you got. Yo, they was ordering doubles. And trip. They. Yo, listen, some woman came by and she said, I noticed you've been drinking Diet Pepsi. And she bought me a Diet Pepsi. The whole section looked at me. I said, said, seek the king, bro. Seeking no new mistake.

[Hit-Boy]

What's going on with the Al? Who's on Al? Y' all two Features we got what's going give us Snake, homie Conway.

[Jada]

Conway got a, he got. Actually got a solo song on there. We got Bodie James, Baldy, Shout out homie J wor you got my pops, big hit on there.

[Hit-Boy]

Big hit.

[Jada]

Who else on that havoc.

[Alchemist]

But we didn't want to do a compilation album. I think people probably expected cuz we do the beats, but once we land, think this is just where it went because it started from a record that we did together. Like what was it? Two years ago he was working on a project, hit me up and was like, yo, I think he saw I just did a verse on the Larry June. I don't really rap a lot, you know what I'm saying? But when I was working with Shout out to my brother Larry June, he was like, yo, would you get on this joint right here with me? I was like, you want me to rap on it?

[Fat Joe]

He said, yeah, yeah, that'd be dope.

[Alchemist]

And it was like a 12 bar.

[Jada]

So it was easy.

[Alchemist]

You know, sometimes when I'm making beats, I just, just writing just to test drive the beat, you know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

So I come from one of the greatest producer rappers ever, Diamond D. Shout out to Diamond D. And so he got a classic album and all that. And so actually he brought me in the game like I was, I was born and raised by a producer that raps. So I always had love for producers. That rap. Is hip hop that bad now that the producers gotta say, yo, we gonna rap?

[Jada]

It's not even about that. It ain't even about that, you know what I mean? It's just like this is a natural organic leak up my. Like we just make good songs together, you know. And this just, you know, just. Just became something, you know what I mean? He turned into, you know, this is our first real album. We dropped the EP with like three songs like a year and a half, two years ago, something like that. But it's like a full length joint, you know.

[Alchemist]

Yeah, it's showing the camaraderie, you know what I'm saying? Producers, I don't think it's as competitive as the rapper thing. Like I feel like the producers like we all fuck with each other, you know what I mean? So when you like I used to hit him up every year, like he was saying the end of the year, like damn, you kicking my ass. Like I got same, I gotta go crazier, you know what I'm saying? So it was just a natural connect. And then after the one record that we did. He saw me rapping and we did a record and it went up. It's like got like millions of views on YouTube. But we were like, damn. I think people like seeing the camaraderie, you know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, I think that's what's the biggest attribute to the Locks, besides them being very, very talented, is their, their unity and their loyalty. And the people love that. You know what I'm saying? So many unfortunate, so many legendary groups. These artists don't even talk to each other no more. They don't tour with each other, they don't this. So when we see the unity like that, we really, really appreciate. All I know is what I've been told and that's a half truth is a whole lie.

[Maggie Freeling]

For almost a decade, the murder of an 18 year old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[Fat Joe]

I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her.

[Maggie Freeling]

We know a story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national tv.

[Hit-Boy]

Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran.

[Maggie Freeling]

My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist producer and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find.

[Hit-Boy]

I did not know her and I did not kill her or rape or burn or any of that other stuff.

[Rapper (possibly Conway or another featured artist)]

That y' all said.

[Jada]

They literally made me say that I.

[Hunter (Host of Hunting for Answers)]

Took a match and struck and threw it on her.

[Fat Joe]

They made me say that I poured gas on her.

[Maggie Freeling]

From Lava for good. This is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame.

[Fat Joe]

Blame America. Y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people and small towns.

[Maggie Freeling]

Listen to Graves county in the Bone Valley feed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and to binge the entire season ad free. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.

[Alchemist]

Foreign.

[Hunter (Host of Hunting for Answers)]

I'm Hunter, host of Hunting for Answers on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Join me every weekday as I share bite sized stories of missing and murdered black women and girls in America. There are several ways we can all do better at protecting black women. My contribution is shining a light on our missing sisters and amplifying their disregarded stories. Stories like Tameka Anderson. As she drove toward Galvez, she was in contact with several people talking on the phone as she made her way to what should have been a routine transaction, but Tameka never bought the car and she never returned home that day. One podcast, one mission. Save our Girls. Join the search as we explore the chilling cases of missing and murdered black women and girls. Listen to Hunting for Answers every weekday on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dr. J]

But the humility in knowing that life is this classroom that we should never graduate from is what is going to keep you growing. And that's all that matters. World Mental Health Day is around, around the corner. And on my podcast, just heal with Dr. J, I dive into what it really means to care for your mind, body and spirit. From breaking generational patterns to building emotional capacity, Healing is a journey and wholeness is the destination.

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

I'm gonna walk away feeling very healed.

[Fat Joe]

And feeling like, yes, I'm going to continue my healing journey and I, I'm.

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

Going to get some keys from you.

[Dr. J]

Listen to just heal with Dr. J from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

Hey sis, what if I could promise you you never had to listen to a condescending finance bro tell you how to manage your money again? Welcome to Brown Ambition. This is the hard part when you pay down those credit cards. If you haven't gotten to the bottom of why you are are racking up credit or turning to credit cards, you may just recreate the same problem. A year from now when you do feel like you are bleeding from these high interest rates, I would start shopping for a debt consolidation loan starting with your local credit union. Shopping around online, looking for some online lenders because they tend to have fewer fees and be more affordable. Listen, I am not here to judge. It is so expensive in these streets. I 100% can see how in just a few months you can have this much credit card debt and it weighs on you. It's really easy to just like stick your head in the sand. It's nice and dark in the sand. Even if it's scary, it's not going to go away just because you're avoiding it. And in fact it may get even worse. For more judgment, free money advice, listen to Brown ambition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast.

[Fat Joe]

You yourself, right, you're having pause, what we call like a glow up. Okay, so this guy, he'd been already, you know, he was making beats in Paris with them, giving him macaroon. You know, he's hand out with Beyonce and Hamptons, they bringing them killed shrimp. And this guy, his profile been really high, right? Kanye, right? He's from that whole factory, right? But you, you always been an underground. And lately I've been seeing. Working the collaborations. Erica, that's already. That's her baby's father's. His top five, dead or alive, right? So it's like, yo, you collaborate with her. So I'm seeing this. Like, everybody is real on a mainstream level. Appreciation of alchemists. Do you know you in that moment right now, or do you, you know, does it feel different with all of these collabs?

[Hit-Boy]

Do you have any joints left for me?

[Alchemist]

Don't make me pull up my text messages. We have. We got here.

[Hit-Boy]

You did a lot of.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, hold on a minute.

[Hit-Boy]

Hold on a minute.

[Fat Joe]

I deserve that flag.

[Alchemist]

Nah, you know me. Come on, we got work to do. You know that. Unfinished Business.

[Hit-Boy]

But I mean it, too, though, man. We overdo one joint. We never got to do it. But I need.

[Alchemist]

Well, yeah, I mean, I think.

[Fat Joe]

I think, you know what it was.

[Hit-Boy]

In the volume of my life.

[Fat Joe]

You know what it was?

[Alchemist]

It's like, it feels like, you know, when you're playing a video game game and then you kind of playing it good and you turn the speed up or put it on a more advanced level and be like, I don't know if I could play. And then you start figuring it out, like, damn, now I could go, I'm speeding now. I'm like, this was easier than I thought. It started to feel like that a little bit, like, because we got the rinse and repeat formula the last five, ten years of, you know, just doing records with different artists like Bodie James or Rock Marcy or, you know, Action Bronson I could name. You know what I'm saying? I could go on. The current one is Freddie Gibb, you know, Alfredo. And it's like. It just feels like, all right, we in motion. Shit is going. I'm not second guessing. I'm pulling the trigger. You know what I'm saying? I'm thinking about my brother Pete. You know, his time was limited, you know, especially going through the stuff we got. I'm like, if we got it now, we gotta. We gotta go. And it's like, I still got it in me. I don't feel like. I still feel like I could get better. I feel like we got unfinished business. I feel like I hit you every now and then. Like, what's up, Crack? Like we could still make some magic. Like, I still. I don't care about none of that. It's not a young man's sport. They got to stop talking about that.

[Hit-Boy]

Hell, man, that is.

[Alchemist]

I don't know where that narrative came from. I don't know where it's lonely at the top came from, because why can't we all be at the top together? Like, all of that stuff, I don't. It doesn't register with me. So, you know, it's just timing, man. And I feel blessed that you saying that.

[Fat Joe]

Y'. All.

[Alchemist]

Y' all is like, you know how I feel about both of the offers. So to get that from you guys, that means I'm doing the right thing, and you know what I'm saying? Just tied in with my brother Hit. You know, we.

[Fat Joe]

He's.

[Alchemist]

He goes as crazy as I do, and I feel like that's where we connected. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, I appreciate it. You know what I mean?

[Hit-Boy]

Definitely.

[Fat Joe]

I mean, I feel like you're a part of the white mafia, too. Allegedly.

[Jada]

That's funny.

[Fat Joe]

Could be, could be. Could be.

[Alchemist]

As if I got a 5, 5, 5, 5.

[Fat Joe]

Nah. Because it's like, you guys are very talented, but you all. You're all. Well, I feel like Eminem, he got this crew. Rosenberg. Rosenberg, he'll snatch up Reef.

[Jada]

Those are my guys.

[Fat Joe]

Alchemist, he'll go get Action. Bronson, he'll go. He. He got like, this. Y' all got a white mafia.

[Hit-Boy]

Bing, bong.

[Fat Joe]

They gotta. Nah, they gotta. You see, y' all got a white mafia, and I'm happy for it that, you know, y' all got a mob like that. That I seen Nems over there on that side, okay? Nems over there on that side, too. I feel like, who. Who reaches out? Is it Eminem or Paul who says, yo, we gotta stick.

[Hit-Boy]

They're ready to be down with us. Look, they said, you don't know.

[Hunter (Host of Hunting for Answers)]

Huh.

[Alchemist]

That sounds fly, though, man.

[Fat Joe]

But I'm on to something.

[Hit-Boy]

No, Paul, go get.

[Fat Joe]

I'm not delusional. Shout was gone and Shout out, You.

[Alchemist]

Know what I mean?

[Fat Joe]

Eminem, we don't talk about him enough on this platform. He's my brother. He's my friend. You know, I got. I can't tell you. Like, I get it all the time, but I remember I did the album. What album was it where I said, I retired? And I remember I was in my mother's house. My phone rang from an unknown number, and I picked it up, and it was Marshall. And he talked to me for two hours, like, yo, Joe, I've been listening you still got it. You don't need to. I was like, I wanted to knock on the neighbors houses and all that. Like, oh, this shit. Fucking Eminem talking to me for an hour or two, telling me, yo, talking me off the retirement list. Like, yo, you gotta. You know, you gotta stay working. You got it. And that's one of the biggest honors I ever had. And to have that relationship with him is amazing because, you know, people, they forget. Like, you know how you just said, yo, let's go back to Rob Reef Tullo. Let's go back to the. A lot of people forget all these different layers of what's going. You know, we'd just be stuck on 20, 25, right? And sometimes you don't think about what Eminem came out. And me and Big Pun was online in fucking la. That was just before the Grammys and the sunset, the fucking. We waited online for that album. And you ain't waiting on that line for that album if he wasn't the guy. You know what I'm saying? He was phenomenal. He was incredible. And sometimes you try to explain it to kids that wasn't there at that time.

[Alchemist]

He changed shit. And I'm gonna tell you, you think we work hard. I've never seen nobody work like him to this day. The level that, like right now, he's in the studio right now. I could put bed every day, I'm telling you, on tour. Headphones in the hotel room, right Still. So, you know, when I think about.

[Fat Joe]

Some dudes like that too, all the.

[Alchemist]

Way in it all like inside the middle of a tornado, like, you're not coming out of it. You know what I mean?

[Fat Joe]

I respect it. Yeah, that's crazy. I remember when I got him on the Lean Back remix, he sent the same verse 30 times. It was the same verse where he would say the word a little different or say it this way and did this, this. And then we like, we got the Eminem verse. Can we let this bitch go? And he's just like, yo, yo, yo, but hold up. Sending you another verse. It's the same verse, but like with a different tone or cadence of this. And it's like 30 times. And I'm like, is this the one, like, perfectionist. Can we. He's a perfectionist, man. And shout out what's up with the.

[Hit-Boy]

Film that's attached to the project, man. It was a little bit.

[Alchemist]

It was a good idea that Hit came up with when we were working because we were going to do a bunch of videos, you know, of course he Was like, we should shoot a movie. I'm like, about what? And he was like, first it was about us. And we were like, nah, fuck that. Let's get with somebody and get a script, put some bread up and shoot fucking movie to go with this album.

[Jada]

Play characters outside of ourselves. Not just a conventional music movie where it's like. It's a little scene and a music video pop up. It ain't no shit like that. It's like a real beginning, middle end type shit. It's a real story to it. So. Yeah, that's fine. Got Danny Trejo in there.

[Fat Joe]

We got Simon Rex.

[Dr. J]

Yeah.

[Alchemist]

A bunch of good actors. Conway's in there.

[Jada]

Level? High level.

[Dr. J]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jada]

Shot on film. 16 millimeter film. It's like, yeah, some. Some high level art.

[Fat Joe]

You know what's crazy is, you know, when we talking movies, it made me remember that Taylor Swift just put out a. A movie with her out, you know, she sold 3 million records in one day. I heard that Cardi B had a record for like three days. This incredible three million in a day. In a day.

[Alchemist]

So how many streams is that? We gotta find out, man.

[Fat Joe]

How? It's like two zillion.

[Jada]

I think it was like merch and.

[Alchemist]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

You know, Birdman just said he got. He did a trillion streams with all his artists.

[Alchemist]

I believe it.

[Fat Joe]

Birdman just said it.

[Alchemist]

Yeah, streams.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, it's crazy, yo, but I have no but. But Taylor Swift. Cardi B broke the greatness world of world record. Her lasted three days. Three work days.

[Alchemist]

Here came Taylor Swift.

[Fat Joe]

Taylor SW came with the 3 million in one day. Like this shit and a movie. It just sold like 30, 60 million. Oh, streams. No, no, she sold the brother, man. She sold 1 million copies in one day. This is a fact on world goodness. Look it up. Taylor Swift came out less than a week later and sold 2.7 million in one day with a movie.

[Jada]

You listen to the album?

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

Nah.

[Fat Joe]

I love Travis Kelce's my brother. I love everything about. Do you know who got me fooled? Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift got me fooled. Because we all know you be waiting to meet people. How many times you waited to meet somebody forever? And you like, you know, man, this guy ain't shit. Or they got an attitude that they cocky or they arrogant.

[Hit-Boy]

You say nothing about Taylor Swift?

[Fat Joe]

No, I just think. I really believe she's a nice person.

[Dr. J]

You boy.

[Fat Joe]

No, you're not listening to what I'm saying. I'm honestly. I met everybody. I've hung out with. I've hung out with the biggest Superstars in the world, in the history of. Man, who you going with?

[Hit-Boy]

Swift?

[Fat Joe]

No, I'm talking about the biggest.

[Hit-Boy]

Where you going like a 50s right.

[Fat Joe]

Now, and we talking some crazy shit. And the fan come over and they go and come back, yeah, these motherfuckers. This, this. I'm like, damn, like. Like, I've been with the biggest full of shitters in the world. I'm trying to tell you. Taylor Swift got me fooled. I'm believing she's a nice person. Great. Now I'm telling you the truth. My whole. Since she came around, I said, man, it's a nice girl. She's a fucking nice person. I have to. Taylor Swift, she's a nice lady, man. This girl, you know, and everybody's full of shit. And when you get to know people, people. And you'll be like, holy. Yo, you know what? This. I'll tell you a story. It. I'll say a name, right? I waited maybe 10 years, maybe 15 to meet Bruno Mars. Okay, what do you want me to do?

[Alchemist]

This is the true story, guys.

[Fat Joe]

You want me to wait or not? You waited.

[Alchemist]

What do you mean?

[Fat Joe]

You waited Because. Nah, I gotta let it go. It's, you know, he's Puerto Rican. At least that's what they say. So I did like, like, we know, we know, we know. No, that's my basketball player, but go ahead, listen. We know Bad Bunny's Puerto Rican. Like, he got the flag. JLo does the super bowl with the flag. This, this, and that. I bet I've been hearing the Bruno Mars, Puerto Rico Rican, but I never got to meet him, so the whole time, I'm excited, you know, I want to bring him in the Puerto Rican mafia, right? Know how y' all got the white mafia, right? So I'm at the awards, and I'm sitting next to him. James, I'm telling you a story. James, don't look at the computer. I'm telling you the truth. I'm sitting next to him at the awards. I'm gonna keep it all the way a hundred. I'm sitting right next to somebody in the wards, and I say, oh, shit, Bruno Mar. I'm gonna talk to somebody, say, yo, yo, he's a fuck, nigga.

[Jada]

Damn.

[Fat Joe]

The guy next to me said, you might not want to do it. He's a fuck, nigga. I said, what? Yo, Bruno, what's up, man? Yo, yo, what's up, Joe? He's with Anderson Peak. I'm like, yo, you Puerto Rican? He got up. The fuck you mean? I'm a real Fucking Puerto Rican from brick, Brooklyn. Don't ever ask me shit in your life. And went and sat on the other side of the man. Broke my heart, dude.

[Jada]

He tripped on you. That's crazy.

[Hit-Boy]

What did you know he was real.

[Fat Joe]

Ricky, bro, I. I wasn't challenging. This wasn't a flag. If he's a real. Like, tell me something. Who's your father? Peggy? The nicest way being awards. I'm wearing Hermes. I'm not bothering nobody. I'm in there.

[Alchemist]

You have a demeanor, Joe. You have a demeanor.

[Fat Joe]

No, Bruno Mars. I've been waiting 15 years.

[Hit-Boy]

I should have asked him as he was born.

[Fat Joe]

He could have just said, yeah, I'm Bordy. What's up, buddy? Okay. I don't know. A lot of you artists is weird now. Like, I asked the question that starts a gang war. Like, my answer to the question is, we want peace. Yo, you and the gang, this. We want peace. I need you, right? Yo, you in a gang? Yeah, I'm in a gang, but we want peace. Nah, I'm in the gang. You let everybody kill each other. This. No. The answer is, yeah, Puerto Rican. What's up, bro? Bro, I love Big Pun. Something I thought, that's a normal man screamed on me and left. Went to the other room and was mad, like, in the other side of the awards, looking like. And I didn't. I was like, yo, beat up his pops. You know, we've been around for a minute, like, no, I swear to God. I said, yo, we need to see if we beat up his pops or something. Because this seemed personal. What, did Anderson beat up Grandpa Anderson? Pat love me, man. He got some teeth, and you know I got them teeth. Oh, you crazy at the head, dude. They were like, yo, Fat Joe, what's up, brother? Oh, man. Digging in the craze, baby. You know, I understand.

[Alchemist]

That's my guy.

[Fat Joe]

He responded like, I thought Bruno was gonna respond to me. I was like, yo, Bruno, if you don't remember it, I. I forgive you. You. But you did that, brother.

[Hit-Boy]

You did that to me. Forgiving me, you gotta apologize to him.

[Fat Joe]

Okay, Say, the lady that sung that ills over like a F from Yonkers. You go off the Fonda ray and you say, hey, hey, Fonda, you from Yonkers. And she gets the fuck up. Jadicus. Don't ever talk to me like this in your fucking. You like, yo, that never happened.

[Hit-Boy]

She seen me going to the store for bread when I was there.

[Fat Joe]

Well, it happened to me with Bruno Martin. That's what I'm trying to tell you, sometimes you. You can't wait. I waited 15 years to meet Bruno Mars. Like, I really. You know, a lot of these guys.

[Hit-Boy]

Waited so long, he should have went to his crib.

[Fat Joe]

A lot of these guys can break your heart, man. You meet them. No, I'm telling you the truth. You meet him and you just like. You know, I go above and beyond to smile at everybody when they come up to me. Hey, Fat Joey. What's up, guys?

[Hit-Boy]

I just saw you as Times Square the other day saying, what's up, buddy?

[Jada]

Pussy.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, J, you giving. Hey, come on. You from Southern. He said, ah. I'm not. I'm from Southern Boulevard Joe. He from the Bronx. He said, I'm not up until. I said, damn. The heard me. We all found you. Yo, J, you giving up the sequel?

[Hit-Boy]

When is the album dropping?

[Jada]

24Th.

[Alchemist]

Yep, yep. This month. 24th with the film.

[Hit-Boy]

Make sure y' all check it out, man. Real hip hop. Authentic. We got.

[Fat Joe]

We got a track.

[Hit-Boy]

Play one.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, we gotta hit intro.

[Alchemist]

Business merger.

[Jada]

Business merger.

[Hit-Boy]

Business merger.

[Alchemist]

Play that joint.

[Fat Joe]

Play me the joint that you think might could be the biggest. Because it's gonna Pickle Is gonna be the biggest after this show.

[Alchemist]

Play the video with the joint.

[Fat Joe]

That's the on. You sure you want to do the video? Because our is listening.

[Hit-Boy]

No, but we can hear it and see.

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

Okay.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Alchemist]

Let's go.

[Hit-Boy]

This exclusive? This is exclusive.

[Fat Joe]

You might have given us two times. We're gonna have to multitask. Watch the video.

[Hit-Boy]

We never played nobody's video.

[Fat Joe]

This is exclusive.

[Alchemist]

Exclusive. We getting. We getting exclusive here. First time.

[Hit-Boy]

This is exclusive.

[Fat Joe]

That's crazy. Anderson Pack was a great guy. Same time.

[Jada]

Yeah, that's my guy.

[Hit-Boy]

And they sit down with each other, right?

[Alchemist]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

You sitting right there with.

[Alchemist]

With him.

[Fat Joe]

He's with him. I got a different reaction.

[Alchemist]

He's probably a great guy, too.

[Fat Joe]

He probably own something. Legend. He was on that Y when I seen Mar. No, no, no. He was probably on that Mars. Matter of fact, he must have been on that dead end when I met him. He was on that dead end. He was on that dead end. No, I'm. He was on that dead end.

[Hit-Boy]

Get loud, please.

[Jada]

Yeah. Out HB West Coast.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Rapper (possibly Conway or another featured artist)]

Eyes closed in my heart open just to get this off my chest and left my heart broken Seeing how goofy's a move for the green Saying we on the same team but what do that mean?

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

Why? Because.

[Rapper (possibly Conway or another featured artist)]

Build a bridge just to watch Set it ablaze don't get me heated Ain't no way to control the inferno Feel the spirit of prodigy I've been keeping it thorough I'd rather do it by my lonely than fake with the pack and if you can't stay down and stay where you at I feel like we the new standard I'm going over the matters from information I gathered I'm finding the answers I've been reading over the chapters they doctoring up the numbers forging all of their data my godly values speak at high value ever happen to be the loudest in the room I move like a commander in the military you ain't even qualified get past the preliminaries separate a war winners true from a war presenters I seen some evil done I'm still shaking off the jitters I'm coming with the thunder yeah, I'm going Thor with the hammer was counting 6, 7, 8 before I lived in Atlanta it's my heart that make me different this link is apocalyptic me and out moving period of in our division I'm tired of acting like this ain't watered down for real 9 to 5 if you can't relate to this type of feel nah.

[Fat Joe]

Gave you boys.

[Rapper (possibly Conway or another featured artist)]

A break now y' all gotta deal with me I try to give them the game they ain't keep it real with me I homies I supposed to come up and get rich with me I some shorty's I supposed to stay down and had kids with me long story, it's a lot, you know my circle so small that it's closer to a dot they thought I was repping Grape Street I'm turning up the watts while I'm beating up the past Right.

[Fat Joe]

Now I'm speaking with my chest out smoke to prevent from getting stressed out the Lamborghini got the breast out I'm working with a different type of textile Everything simple Janet and a protect out I'm not a vegan, I'm a reptile My appetite for destruction is trifling don't go to clubs if I can't sneak a rifle in Got paper in circulation we keep it cycling, spinning we don't do collaboration it's a business merger Cut a pot, split a burger and make it stretch like a fitness worker I'm on my shit for certain on stage checking the mic Behind a custom Dr. Romanelli curtain I'll give you extra cuts like a deluxe version, couple stripes when I'm finished you need a cut surgeon hit strumming got the truck swerving meetings with a tuck shirt in you can never put enough work in I put a couple hundred K hours in days without showering. No face to put a flower in.

[Alchemist]

Nope.

[Fat Joe]

No paper to put the sour in. Still no way I'mma throw the towel in.

[Rapper (possibly Conway or another featured artist)]

Me and HB standing 57 are still.

[Fat Joe]

Looking down on bums and towering.

[Rapper (possibly Conway or another featured artist)]

Never heard it like this. Back on back, beat for beat. Hey, bring it back. I gave you boys a break. Now y' all gotta deal with me. I try to give them the game, they ain't keep it real with me. I homies I supposed to come up and get wrist with me. Had some shorties. I was supposed to stay down and had kids with me. Long story, it's a lot now. My circle so small that it's closer to a dot. They thought I was repping Grape Street. I'm turning up the Watts. Beating up the.

[Fat Joe]

Yes, yes.

[Jada]

Doing good out here. Look good.

[Fat Joe]

Make sure y' all get that, like two different. Like, it's that one part towards. I. I don't know. It's the four for eight ball. What the.

[Hit-Boy]

That was crazy.

[Fat Joe]

That was nuts.

[Hit-Boy]

Goldfish, man. The album, the movie, the experience. Make sure y' all get it on all platforms. Make sure y'. All. Y' all gonna go on tour, man.

[Jada]

Yeah, this Neon. He on tour right long.

[Hit-Boy]

Listen, getting it in.

[Alchemist]

Go do some shows.

[Hit-Boy]

Yeah, y' all gotta do.

[Alchemist]

Let's see where it goes. You know, we got a lot of stuff on the plate. Got, man, I got mad going, but we good right now. We in this phase going fit your alchemist.

[Fat Joe]

My love moving, man. I'm proud of you, man.

[Alchemist]

Thank you.

[Jada]

It means the most. Appreciate it.

[Fat Joe]

You moving here, boy. You already. You know when your sneakers are melting. I got. You are so on fire. When your sneakers. Yo, Jada, look to the left, man.

[Alchemist]

Instead of Miri.

[Fat Joe]

Right?

[Jada]

These are.

[Fat Joe]

And then you got the melted joints. Check this out. This ain't that.

[Hit-Boy]

That ain't this.

[Fat Joe]

It's cracking Kiss Guest I can missing.

[Hit-Boy]

Hit boy one time. Joe and Jada show.

[Alchemist]

Appreciate y'.

[Hit-Boy]

All. Another one. Thank y' all for coming through.

[Fat Joe]

Right there.

[Maggie Freeling]

The murder of an 18 year old girl in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved for years until a local housewife, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[Fat Joe]

America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns.

[Maggie Freeling]

Listen to Graves county on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season ad free, subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.

[Hunter (Host of Hunting for Answers)]

Short on time, but big on true crime. On a recent episode of the podcast Hunting for Answers, I highlighted the story of 19 year old Lachey Duncan Jeep. But she never knocked on that door. She never made it inside. And that text message would be the last time anyone would ever hear from her. Listen to Hunting for Answers from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heritage into New York from Asia.

[Fat Joe]

Had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles and you name it. Five, six white people pushed me in the car.

[Hunter (Host of Hunting for Answers)]

I'm going, what the hell?

[Fat Joe]

Basically your stay at home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin.

[Jada]

All you gotta do is receive the package.

[Fat Joe]

Don't have to open it, just accept it. She was very upset, crying. Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his hand and I saw the flash of light.

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

Listen to the Chinese Chinatown sting on.

[Fat Joe]

The iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or anywhere.

[Dr. Elizabeth Poynter]

You get your podcasts. Welcome to Decoding Women's Health. I'm Dr. Elizabeth Poynter, Chair of Women's Health and Gynecology at the Atria Health Institute in New York City. I'll be talking to top researchers and clinicians and bringing vital information about midlife women's health directly to you. 100% of women go through menopause. Even if it's natural, why should we suffer through it? Listen to Decoding Women's Health with Dr. Elizabeth Poynter on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.