Joe and Jada - Ty Dolla $ign on 'Tycoon' album, Kanye West & 'Vultures,' Lady Gaga & R&B eras

Summary

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Episode: Joe and Jada – Ty Dolla $ign on 'Tycoon' Album, Kanye West & 'Vultures,' Lady Gaga & R&B Eras

Aired: October 16, 2025
Guests: Ty Dolla $ign
Hosts: Fat Joe, Jadakiss

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Episode Overview

In this vibrant and unfiltered episode, Fat Joe and Jadakiss welcome Ty Dolla $ign onto the Joe and Jada segment to talk about his new album "Tycoon", collaborations (notably with Kanye West on "Vultures"), his journey through the eras of R&B, mentorship, label ownership, and insights into the current and future state of music. The conversation ranges from industry stories to fatherhood, creative processes, and Ty’s documentary about his brother’s wrongful incarceration ("Free TC").

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Ty Dolla $ign’s Roots & Musical DNA

• [04:45] Ty credits his musical influences to both classic and modern R&B, with his father having played in the funk group Lakeside.
  • “I've been like, studying all the different R&B styles, the rock styles, the hip hop styles, and all that applies to what I'm doing today.” – Ty Dolla $ign
• [05:11] On meeting music legends as a child:
  • “I was able to meet Prince, Earth, Wind and Fire... It put me onto the greatest music possible.”
• Ty’s ability to emulate any reference is highlighted, with Fat Joe noting that Ty “could have been a member of Boyz II Men, Guy, or Jodeci” due to his vocal range and contemporary relevance.

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"Tycoon" – The New Album

• [06:54] First solo project in four years, dropping 10/17.
  • “There’s 15 tracks on there. If you buy the album, you get two extra bonus tracks. Banger after banger after banger—something for everybody.” – Ty Dolla $ign
• Each album is likened to a restaurant’s menu: “It’s like I got something on a menu for everybody.” – Ty ([07:03])
• The project boasts major features: Kodak Black, YG, Quavo, Leon Thomas.
  • [08:27] Leon Thomas is the first artist signed to Ty’s label, Easy Money Records. Ty shouts out the newest signees: RJ the Weirdo, Keith Turner, Busy Crook Major, Sage from Texas ([09:11]).

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On Founding Easy Money Records

• [09:37] Ty sees label ownership as a chance to right past wrongs:
  • “Everything that happened to us as artists when we saw mistakes, I get to make sure that them same mistakes don't happen this way.”
• Both Ty and hosts agree the artist-as-boss model is about protecting and guiding new talent ([10:13]).

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The "Free TC" Documentary & Social Impact

• [11:20] Ty announces his documentary "Still Free TC," chronicling his life and his brother’s wrongful conviction.
  • “People only get to see the good shit. This time, you get to see the family, everything I went through coming up... And even now, there’s still struggle.”
• At the Tribeca Film Festival, viewers were moved to tears, galvanized to help Free TC ([21:40]).
• Ty shares the documentary brings his brother’s story to life, aiming to “get to who I need to get to” to help set him free ([22:53]).
• Fat Joe gives candid advice about leveraging music industry connections for legal advocacy ([23:12]).

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Working with Kanye West & the Making of "Vultures"

• [12:01] Ty details working with Kanye on "Vultures":
  • “Just from the track record, and then y'all see what happened with us. The music is the music. Vultures went number one, you know what I'm saying? So it was a success.”
  • Ty frames it as loyalty and creative alignment, standing by Kanye during a time when many distanced themselves from him.
• [13:18] Fat Joe shares his own, sometimes hilarious, studio and video shoot stories with Kanye, including extravagant wardrobe expenses and perfectionist studio demands (e.g., saying a verse “maybe a hundred times”).
  • “Nobody ever made me shoot, say the verse a hundred times.” – Fat Joe

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Ty’s Philosophy on Creation and Promotion

• [19:04] Ty discusses his all-around musicianship: “Anything you want to do: bass guitar, keys, drums, make the beats, write the song, produce … whatever you want to do.”
• The grind doesn’t end in the studio; artists are expected to “kiss babies and … promote the move” as well ([19:22]).

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The State & Future of R&B

• [48:43] Fat Joe raises concern about R&B’s sound today. Ty responds optimistically:
  • “I feel like it's about to do that again... new artists performing, and everybody that performed … was incredible... It's time again.”
• Both reminisce about great R&B eras—70s, 90s—while looking ahead to a fresh generation of talent ([49:24]).

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Artistic Authenticity, Fashion & “Weird” in the Industry

• [50:04] Delving into artist style, Fat Joe distinguishes between authentic creativity and gimmick:
  • “Just 'cause you dress weird don't mean you fly… I’ve been seeing motherfuckers now just walking, looking weird and they think they slide. It’s like, no, dude, you’re a fucking weirdo.”
• Ty singles out Kehlani: “I feel like she could have did it in the Brandi Monica era, you know what I’m saying? That’s what I’m looking for. I’m looking for real music with Substance.” ([51:43])

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The “Hit Chasing” Mentality & Age in Music

• [52:37] Fat Joe laments today’s one-hit focus and blurring of industry lines (street-to-rapper):
  • “Everybody just wanted one hit. They don’t want that real shit that lasts 10, 20 years.”
• Discussion shifts to unrealistic industry aspirations and the pitfalls of late entry into rap ([54:25]):
  • “Don’t come brand new 62. Nah.”
  • Ty and Joe agree there’s a difference between a true career and fantasy.

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Family, Fatherhood, and Personal Balance

• [35:11] Ty beams as a proud dad, detailing his daughter’s academic achievements:
  • “She just started at Pepperdine University to get her master's degree. She already got her BA at CSUN... Doing what we do and to be able to have your daughter go all the way to that level and have that focus, that's a big deal.”
• The hosts swap stories about parenting, boundaries, and communication with their children ([42:19]).

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Behind-the-Scenes Industry Realities

• Ty reveals candidly how executive relationships are shaped by shared history—even, humorously, the “Eskimo brother” connection with Hitmaka, which grew into mutual respect and collaboration ([60:41]).
  • “If we would have been working since back then, we would have so many hits... That nigga's, like, talented. He really knows Hitman how to get to the hits.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Ty Dolla $ign [07:03]:

  “I look at my album like a restaurant. I got something on a menu for everybody.”

• Fat Joe [13:35]:

  “Nobody ever made me shoot, say the verse a hundred times.”

• Ty Dolla $ign [22:53]:

  “In this life, what really matters is who you know.”

• Fat Joe [23:42]:

  “If your brother’s really innocent, you got these people right around you. Like, Kodak Black knows who the fuck to talk to.”

• Fat Joe [49:50]:

  “Just because you dress weird don’t mean you fly. No, dude, you’re a fucking weirdo.”

• Ty Dolla $ign [51:43]:

  “Kehlani been doing her shit for a long time… I feel like she could have did it in the Brandi Monica era.”

• Fat Joe [54:25]:

  “Don’t come brand new 62. Nah… Who is going to buy your music? Please stop being delusional.”

• Ty Dolla $ign [35:19]:

  “To be able to have your daughter go all the way to that level and have that focus, that's a big deal.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 04:45 – Ty’s musical upbringing & influences
• 06:54 – Details on "Tycoon" album
• 09:37 – Founding and philosophy of Easy Money Records
• 11:20, 21:40 – "Still Free TC" documentary & social activism
• 12:01 – Creative process with Kanye West
• 19:04 – Musicianship & behind-the-scenes work
• 35:11 – Fatherhood and family pride
• 48:43 – State of R&B and musical evolution
• 50:04 – Style, authenticity, and the “weird” artist debate
• 54:25 – Age and realism in the music industry
• 60:41 – Ty & Hitmaka’s relationship

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Conclusion

This episode delivers a raw and energetic look into the mind and career of Ty Dolla $ign, with Fat Joe and Jadakiss guiding a conversation that weaves through industry insight, personal triumphs, pitfalls, and a love for real music. Whether you’re a music aficionado or new to the R&B landscape, the episode provides substance, laughs, and plenty of “real talk” about navigating fame, legacy, and authenticity in the ever-shifting landscape of hip hop and R&B.

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Transcript

[Narrator]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Narrator]

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[Hunter (Hunting for Answers host)]

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[Jonathan Goldstein]

I'm Jonathan Goldstein. And on the new season of Heavyweight.

[Fat Joe]

And so I pointed the gun at him and said, this isn't a joke.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

A man who robbed a bank when he was 14 years old and a centenarian rediscovers a love lost 80 years ago.

[Fat Joe]

How can 101 year old woman fall in love again?

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Listen to heavyweight on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Chinatown Sting Narrator]

In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia.

[Fat Joe]

Had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles. And five, six white people pushed me in the car.

[Hunter (Hunting for Answers host)]

I'm going, what the hell?

[Fat Joe]

Basically, your stay at home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin.

[Chinatown Sting Participant]

All you gotta do is receive the package. Don't have to open it, just accept it.

[Fat Joe]

She was very upset, crying.

[Chinatown Sting Participant]

Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his hand and I saw the flash of light.

[Chinatown Sting Narrator]

Listen to the Chinatown sting on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or anywhere you get your podcasts.

[Fat Joe]

You know, I'm a little bit off the weird shit now, you know what I'm saying? Artists acting with like and all that, all of that.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Can you give us an example?

[Fat Joe]

What up, y'?

[Ty Dollar Sign]

All?

[Fat Joe]

This is Joe Crack.

[Jadakiss]

It's your boy, Jadakiss. You know what it is? The Joe and Jada show. Every show legendary, every show iconic. And we keep our word to you with just that. Today you gotta give it up for our guest. He's the hook master, he's the song master. He could talk your lady out of drawers if you let him.

[Fat Joe]

He can give you.

[Jadakiss]

He can bring you back. If you searching for a hit, if you need some help, just helping getting your career off the ground or back off the ground or whatever you need. Musically, he's the go to guy. Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for our brother Todd Dollar Sign.

[Fat Joe]

Appreciate you.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Appreciate you.

[Jadakiss]

How you like that intro?

[Fat Joe]

I love that.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

I love that intro.

[Fat Joe]

That's actually the best intro so far.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

I damn near my use that on that saluting you.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, let me tell you something. That was a hell of a fucking intro.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

It was all facts as well.

[Fat Joe]

Sometimes he leaves off a little. It's all facts till y. Sometimes he, you know, he tries to go too humble. I'm like, yo, bro, we just had Hit boy there, Alchemist in my world. That's like fucking Beethoven. And mouth there, I'm like, yo, hold on. Let's just call him Beethoven Mozart, because these guys are phenomenal. But we have Ty Dollar Sign, who could have been a member of Boyz To Ben. Could have been. Could have been a member of Guy, could have been a member of Jodeci. I think you're the only artist because, believe it or not, you've been in the game in a while, but you're still the relevant youth artist. Nobody looks at you like, yo, you know, you're the only one that I could just mention and say, yo, he could have been in one of these legendary groups. What's that like? Did you come up listening to these guys?

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah, I definitely came up listening to them guys. And even further back, my pops was in the group Lakeside, so fantastic voice. Exactly, exactly. So from. From there and even before that slipping.

[Fat Joe]

Side, your father was in that group.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah, that's it.

[Jadakiss]

That's it.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

So I've been like, studying all the different R and B styles, the rock styles, the hip hop styles, and all that applies to what I'm doing today.

[Jadakiss]

When you was young, you was able to meet Prince, Earth, Wind and Fire.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

What did that spark, what did that do for your musical DNA?

[Ty Dollar Sign]

I mean, it put me onto the greatest music possible, you know what I mean? So like I said, all that still applies in what I'm doing today. You know what I'm saying? You could just reach back into the files and be like, oh, yeah, let's use that sound, or let's use that. That riff or whatever the case, you know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

You want to know what's crazy is, you know, I'm tight with Cool and Dre, and I remember, you know, Dre Makes hooks. And one day, Dre made a hook that nobody could sing. He did the Brown Paper Bag. And we try to get every top singer in the universe at the time. For Khaled, nobody could. Nobody could have hit.

[Jadakiss]

Oh. Dre didn't want to stay on anyone. It was.

[Chinatown Sting Narrator]

No.

[Fat Joe]

It was like a reference. But we used whoever was the hottest guys at the time. It was callous single. We was trying to get them on there, and they couldn't hit that note pause, right? I feel like you. There's nothing you can't do. Like, you could. Like nobody could give you a reference that you can't do that.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah, for sure.

[Fat Joe]

That's crazy, because some people be like, yo, I can't.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

No, for sure, for sure. Like I said, if it wasn't for Pops. For real, man. And all that, putting me on to all that old stuff. It's like I always tried to mimic every single thing starting back from what you said. Prince, Earth, Wind and Fire. That's some very high notes, you know what I'm saying? I may not be able to get way up there, but I'll figure it out.

[Fat Joe]

You get it?

[Ty Dollar Sign]

I'll turn my voice into a chipmunk if I have to.

[Fat Joe]

That's really crazy.

[Jadakiss]

The first solo project in nearly four years. Tycoon.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

What made you want to pull the trigger right now? What? Told you it was.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

I've been. I'm always doing music. I was gonna put out a solo project before I started the Vultures era, you know what I'm saying? And now it's time for the solo project. So Tycoon 1017. There's 15 tracks on there. If you buy the album, then you get two extra bonus tracks. Banger after banger after banger is something for everybody, man. I look at my shit, my album's like a restaurant, you know what I'm saying? It's like I got something on a menu for everybody. Exactly.

[Fat Joe]

You gotta have every restaurant I go to. I'm like, yo, what's the Big Mac, right? You know what I'm saying? Like, you go to McDonald's, you need the Big. The Big Mac. Been the Big Mac. Been paying the rent for a long time. You go to Burger King, it's a Whopper, right? Something pays the bills all the time. So I go to a restaurant. I said, listen, man, it's my first time here.

[Jadakiss]

What's your Big.

[Fat Joe]

I need the Big Mac. What's the best shit that everybody. Somebody is coming in there every night. They want that fish, they want that it's always something.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

You know, he's saying he got 15 Big Macs on that album and two free if you purchase Yambo, Right? Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

Now look, we got features. Some mean ones. Kodak Black, yg. Him and YG always make fire Joints. Quayo, Leon Thomas.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

That's.

[Jadakiss]

Take your time. That's him.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Okay. Yeah. Leon Thomas also signed on my label.

[Jadakiss]

Oh, word.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

He was our first artist. We signed to Easy Money Records. Shout out to my brother Sean.

[Jadakiss]

A lot of fucking for the money over there, dog. Make your time.

[Fat Joe]

Don't start bragging about no money. Jada get real fucking mad.

[Jadakiss]

He getting a lot of money over there.

[Fat Joe]

Let him start bragging about money. Be like, yo, man, y' all getting too much money.

[Jadakiss]

He's the first artist on your link.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

He was the first artist on the label.

[Fat Joe]

What's the song? What's the song again?

[Jadakiss]

Mutt the shit.

[Fat Joe]

You hear.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Number one.

[Fat Joe]

Ah, that's that number one.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Rhythmic, number one. All type of other. He got a new record that just reached number 11 on Hot 100. So we moving, man. Shout out to the other four artists that we just signed.

[Fat Joe]

Who's the other four artists? Let's give them a shout out.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

You got RJ the Weirdo. You got Keith Turner. You got Busy Crook Major. And you got Sage from Texas. Man, everybody on the label is crazy.

[Jadakiss]

For sure.

[Fat Joe]

I know you know so much. You know music so much. And with them being talented, y' all just sitting together, plotting on music. It's gonna be incredible.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah, for sure.

[Fat Joe]

You know, Jada, what area you in? Cause you know, I jump all over the place.

[Jadakiss]

No, I was supposed to ask him, how is it having your own label? Like, what's the. How do you like it so far?

[Ty Dollar Sign]

I like it. Cause I basically get to bless back and everything that happened to us as artists when we saw mistakes. I get to make sure that them same mistakes don't happen this way. Ways that I felt like we should have been getting paid and somebody was fucking us over. I ain't gonna do that to the next people. Like, certain people will be like, oh, this happened to me. So that's what you're supposed to do. Yeah, but I'm like, nah, man. Like, let's clean this shit up.

[Jadakiss]

No, that's how ratting became a thing. Yeah, somebody ratted. They said somebody ratted on me. Then it turned into an epidemic.

[Fat Joe]

Turned into an epidemic.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

How? We just get on the rats that fast?

[Fat Joe]

Nah, we just. Nah. But what he's trying to say is, that's my Vision. You know, people always used to say artists shouldn't sign the artist. My vision was always, we got fucked.

[Jadakiss]

The artist. Yeah, exactly.

[Fat Joe]

Who can help you better than the artist? We made all those mistakes, so we trying to guide you so you don't make the mistakes. Yeah, I mean, I'm all in with that.

[Jadakiss]

Easy Money is the name of the label. Huh?

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Easy Money, the name of the label. Le Bon Arjon, the name of the champagne. That mean good money. Tie Dollar Sign, Tide Dollar Sign. He is the money to the champagne. You know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

Sound like it's from France and all that.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

It is. It can't be champagne if it ain't from.

[Fat Joe]

We make it.

[Jadakiss]

LeBron.

[Fat Joe]

All right, all right, Jada. You got me. You got me. I mean, you know, it is what it is.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

We got the documentary coming soon. It's called Still Free. Tc. Yeah, sure. You get to see the whole lifespan of Ty$sign, from the beginning until now. The ups and downs. I mean, people only get to see the good shit. But it's this time. You get to see the family. You get to see everything I went through coming up, growing up in South Central and making it to the levels that we at now. And even there's, you know, still struggle now, you know what I'm saying, that you gotta go through to get to the next level. Cause it's always the level I'm trying to reach. I ain't comfortable.

[Fat Joe]

You know, the elephant in the room is, what's it like doing a project with Kanye West?

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

In the middle. Cause I feel like you stood tall with him when people ain't want to stand next to him at the time.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

And you was in Crazy Kanye, Trent. Like, you was in that. In there.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Like at the ships of the what? In the trips, in the flames of the flames. What's it. What made you say, yo, I'm a stand with this man? We gonna make music. Cause we know how that shit be. When somebody be into some hot shit, everybody run away.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

What made you say, nah, this is the time I'm gonna hold my man down, and I'm gonna make music with him. And what is that whole shit? That whole time, when it come to.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Making music, you already know what it do with him. You know what I'm saying? Like, just from the track record, and then y' all see what happened with us. The music is the music. Vogels went number one, you know what I'm saying? So it was a success. A lot of people say whatever they say, but I stick to my guns. I made one of the best musical projects ever. Like you said at the intro, when you want. When it come to music, you come to me. You know what I'm saying? And I did that over there. You know what I mean? All the bullshit. Six, seven. You know what I'm saying? It's not even worth talking about.

[Fat Joe]

He hit you with the six, seven. You know this shit. Yeah, but what I'm trying to say is, you know, when I recorded. I recorded one song with Kanye, he made me do my verse with 400 people on the hook. But you and Ed, you blessed me on that hook, man. If it ain't about the money, I.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Don'T really care what you said. 400 people on the hook.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Cause we did a joint Friday joint.

[Jadakiss]

It was like 50 people on the hook.

[Fat Joe]

Was it 50? It was you, buster. Most Def was Mad People. Mad people?

[Ty Dollar Sign]

What, before it came out or.

[Fat Joe]

No, he made the hook.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah. He had some genius idea that he heard different vocals, and he made mad.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

People say, it came out hard or.

[Fat Joe]

No, came out great. But it was already a hit, right? So it was like, I'm coming right off of the Chris Brown another round.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

You know, when you on fire, you got that extra that your ears like. Okay. So we had a joint that we did with Bink and Rico Love, and then Kanye was like, yo, Joe, I wanna work with you now. He's one of my favorite artists of all. Sorry, he's a genius. So I said, great. He said, what you think? And you dropped it. And then I played for him. He says, I got some idea. He turned the whole song around, right? So it was like, just think another round, part two. We already had the dope hook. This, this. And he turned to hip hop. And then he was like, even if it ain't about the money, he put everybody and their mother on the hook. She was like, 10 of us, 15 of us on the hook. But the point I'm saying is I was in the studio, the man made me say my. He made me say my verse maybe a hundred times in the world. Be like, colder sack, colder sack, colder sack. I'm like, look, just the young, you know, I'm like, yo, I got the Kanye West. At the time, I might have been the only dude that ever lost with the nigga. Like, you know what I'm saying? Cause I'm thinking everything he does wins. He's over there.

[Jadakiss]

That was a good shoot.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but, you know, I want the supremacy. You know what it is? And then he goes, I want to be number one. You know how that shit go. And then I go to man go. He make me take. I'm independent, by the way. I've been independent for 15 years. So I pay for my videos, my samples, my songs, my everything. I paid for everything. The man won a fucking Hype William video. We shoot a Hype William video. Hype William, I swear to God, he came with a flashlight. Hype William came with, like, a regular camera. And I paid hundreds of thousands. And he had the flashlight on us while we was like, you talk about getting jerked in your face. Light pause. Yo, you know how much money I paid for this? This came with a flashlight. Yo, you thinking, Hype Williams. You gonna float in the air and all that. Man came with the flashlight. I'm looking, then I go. And then.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

The only thing I'm trying to remember, this video.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, yeah. Prior to Joy.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

That motherfucker was hard, though, huh?

[Fat Joe]

We got y'. All. Listen, listen. Yo, you better stop. You better stop. Yo, listen. Yo, Ty, the man made me use Hype Williams, all right? So I'm just saying I'm independent, right? It's a lot of money. But not only that, the only thing he ever charged me for was his wardrobe. I walked by the fucking. His wardrobe. He got $7,000 tank tops and shit, man. I used to rob supermarkets. B F CKING had a problem with this shit. You hear me? Like a tank top. $7,000. I'm walking through from France.

[Jadakiss]

Hustle, right?

[Fat Joe]

What's the hostage?

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, that's no charge, just expenses. And the expenses is.

[Fat Joe]

Bro, I went through that wardrobe. I was walking out that twitching like, yo, who's paying for this? You are. This is the wardrobe. The separate wardrobe. On a man. Boy hit me with a ham on my. I said, boom. He come over there.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

You remember what the bill was?

[Fat Joe]

It was about 49, 50,000. But the problem is this. For his wardrobe, if a man came with some bga, he was tank tops, bro. I'm not exaggerating. Like, who the want to pay 7,000 for a tank top? I'm looking at the. I said, this unreal. It's going to be number one, Joe. Even I even lost because, you know, you gotta put down a radio budget. Look, I'm a radio. Like, I go for the home run. I don't play, right? So I put down the radio budget. A couple of hundred thousand out my pocket, and the shit don't work. And I doubled down on the radio. It's the only record in the world. I Ever paid twice for the radio, but I doubled down on the bitch. I was like, no, this shit gotta go stick with the program. I was like, no, yo, bro, I took a. I took a big L, but I was happy I got to work with him. But, you know, nobody ever made me shoot. Say the verse 100 times.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

That's crazy.

[Fat Joe]

So I know what that was like. You working with the man.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah. I never had to say a verse a hundred times, but, dang, I heard other people say the same story, for sure.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, he did that.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

That's that producer shit, though, you know? It's like.

[Jadakiss]

Till he hears what he's looking for.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah, keep doing it. I'm a producer as well, though, so it's like you play every instrument, right? Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Correct.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

So your father taught you.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

The only thing I don't play is, like, brass and woodwinds and shit like that. But bass guitar, keys, drums. Make the beats, write the song, produce the song, engineer the song, whatever you want to do. Promote the move, promote all that.

[Jadakiss]

Doing the promotions.

[Fat Joe]

That's all the extra shit. You know what I'm saying? That's like, you know, which we creatives, we want to make the shit, see it go. And then they like, all right, now you gotta go promote the shit. You gotta kiss babies and fucking. Like. Nobody promoted.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

People just think it's. Just go in the studio and make a song, and that's it. It's way. It's way bigger than that.

[Jadakiss]

What's up with the joint with Kodak? How was it making that?

[Ty Dollar Sign]

It was easy. Me and Kodak had another song on my album. He was like, yo, man, I really want to use this song for my album. Like, at the last fucking minute, I'm like, all right. He was like, don't trip. I got you on another one. And he sent me that. That might be better than the other one, but we gonna see his album about to drop next. He gonna have the other one on there. But yeah, man, shout out to Kodak. As soon as I did my part, I'm like, okay, this gotta be the one. Cause I didn't have YG on the album, but I was looking for one. But I'm like, all right. This perfect. Cause it feel west. It feel west side, but, you know, it's still got all the other elements and shit. So YG hopped on there, and here we are. Smile, body, pretty face. It's all right now.

[Fat Joe]

I mean, let me tell you something, brother man. You done work with some characters, man. You just a safe place. They see you as a safe place. But, man, I just been a big fan, man. I love when you bless me with the. Me and Remy with the money showers.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Oh, that's a classic right there.

[Fat Joe]

Money showers. Rain, rain, rain. A whole lot of money showers.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Thank you for having me on that joint, too.

[Fat Joe]

What? Yeah, that shit fire right there, man. Like I said, man, you never let me down, man. You always come through, man. You're.

[Chinatown Sting Participant]

You're.

[Fat Joe]

You're really great guy, man. A great, great person, man. I want to make sure you get your flowers. I'm sure your fans know that too. Cause you. You managed to stay out of controversy and all that bullshit, you know what I'm saying? It's like everybody feel like they gotta be. But here on this podcast, we just celebrate, you know, we preserve the culture. You know what I mean? You know, a lot of other people like to just deal with the controversy and what's the shit to say to be fucked up or whatever the case may be, but we don't do that.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, the documentary, you showed it at the Tribeca Film Festival.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah, I showed it. By the time the lights came on, man, you seen tears, you seen just everybody ready to Free tc. Like, what can I do? So in the documentary, it shows my whole life. Coming up, some of y' all know if you're a real ty$sign fan. My first album was called Free TC. Cause my little brother locked up for a murder that everyone in the city knows he didn't do. And the witness that said he did it originally came back and said she was coerced. Nothing has happened since then. And he's just been in that situation. We all know that he's not the only one that this is happening to. It's people all over. And I used that first album to bring awareness to that situation. And we still in this situation. So I wanted to give you more of a visual than just songs so people could really fuck with it and really feel it. And maybe that would get me to who I need to get to. Because I feel like in this life, like, what really matters is who, you know? You know what I mean? There's like a lot of people out here that is going to tell you whatever to get your money.

[Fat Joe]

I'm gonna keep it real with you.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

You know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

Because you my brother and you been 10,000 with me here. We don't do the politics, but you need to get next to somebody who knows Donald Trump. Yeah, you might be right next to Kodak Black. He know who to talk to know what I'm saying. Right there. He got, he got three, four, meek.

[Jadakiss]

Holla @ us, Robbie, draft somebody.

[Fat Joe]

I'm telling you the truth. Like real talk. If your brother's really innocent, you got these people right around you like Kodak Black, know who the fuck to talk to. You should ask them who you talk to. Who's your lawyer, who represented you? And that's where you go. And you are correct. It's all about who sometimes, brother innocent.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Nah, that's it. That's it. I don't know why I didn't think of that. I consider myself a very smart person, but I don't know how the fuck I didn't think of that.

[Fat Joe]

So, yeah, no Kodak Black know who to talk to.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Nah, that's it for sure. Definitely gonna make that happen.

[Fat Joe]

He know that. He ain't that crazy. Motherfucker think he crazy. He's smarting up behind that wall. He said, yo, go get Roger Walstenthorpe. That motherfucker get me out of jail. Hell yeah. Shit. Hell yeah. That's who you gotta get.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Oh, that's it.

[Fat Joe]

I'm just telling you the truth. Free game, you know what I'm saying?

[Jadakiss]

Free tc, man.

[Fat Joe]

Free tc. That's crazy. And the documentary, you know, like me, I don't have people filming me and shit like that. I don't really trust nobody. So how hard is that for you to have people filming you? I purposely. I think I would have some fire content if I had a cameraman with me all day. But I'd be in I stepping shit a hundred times.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Know what I'm saying? I'm trying to keep them niggas away from me, bro. You know what I'm saying? But you did it in purpose of a documentary one day.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

It's just been. I've been getting film my whole life, for real. And I'm sure you have as well. And it was just like getting all that footage, you know, from the kids shit all the way till now and then 2013, 14. I really, like had a guy like following me on certain shit and put all that footage together, made a timeline, put in story form, did some narration. And now you got a documentary, you know, got my mom in there, got my pops in there, of course, got the calls with my brother, got the lawyers, got the whole story, you know what I mean? I still gotta come back right now and put my sister in there. Cause once I watched the whole thing, then she called like, oh, I'm not in the documentary.

[Jadakiss]

I'm like, oh, can't leave nobody out.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Saying, you can't leave nobody out.

[Fat Joe]

It don't work that way.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah, how you like it don't work that way. But I gotta put my sister.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, you gotta put it in there. She deserved. I'm just trying to say. We talk all the time. We be like, yo, you just. In life, you just can't make everybody happy.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

You can't. And she was in there too, but she just didn't get it, wasn't enough.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, she got it. Yeah, she need to get it.

[Fat Joe]

Get her. I remember I went across. I did something big like an award show, and I got one of my brothers in there. And just. I thought it felt like, you know, he keeping it real with his day one. His day one is there. I got the phone calls from people so mad that I had my man front row, like. Cause they wasn't there. This you don't. You know that we. I was like in some scandalous shit. But yeah, I'm like, yo, all I try to do was show love and let you know, yo, Fat Joe might be on this level, but he ain't. Forget the day ones. And that turned into all the other day ones. Tight as a fuck.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Nah, that's how it goes.

[Fat Joe]

You just can't make nobody happy.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

That's how it goes. From homies to family, all that shit. It'd be crazy, bro, in this music shit.

[Jadakiss]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[Fat Joe]

I just want to take all my money and move to an island and change my number and leave me the fuck alone. Let me eat a mango on the beach.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

I thought about doing that a couple times, bro. I heard they got castles and great. They got two million dollar castles and in Europe and could be a duke.

[Fat Joe]

You could be castle. Go mind your business, man.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Because it's like, I might get up.

[Fat Joe]

Out of here like these. You ever felt like they trying to bust your. Like I be feeling like they trying to like, dead ass bust my brain open. Like, with all the. That come at you and everybody's insensitive and you going through this, you going through that. They don't give a About you to make their point. I'm.

[Jadakiss]

They don't care about us.

[Fat Joe]

They don't give a. If your high pressure, your blood pressure high. They want to crack this. You know what, yo, you know, they.

[Jadakiss]

Don'T really care about us.

[Fat Joe]

I'm ready to make my will and all my money go to the fucking. The kids choir of Memphis, Tennessee, some shit I never even met. They'd be like, all right, sit the whole family around and be like I always say to the animal preservation of Congo. Fat Joe left all the money.

[Jadakiss]

They gonna purge.

[Fat Joe]

Fuck you, purge.

[Jadakiss]

They gonna go crazy.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, they gonna go crazy, man. They gonna go crazy. This shit gonna pick up. It's gonna be somebody I don. To the Scandinavian kids in the Catholic school, all the money.

[Jadakiss]

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[Fat Joe]

Right.

[Jadakiss]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Jadakiss]

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[Fat Joe]

Nah, he bet for real, yo.

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[Fat Joe]

All I know is what I've been told, and that's a half truth is a whole lie.

[Narrator]

For almost a decade, the murder of an 18 year old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[Fat Joe]

I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her. We know.

[Narrator]

A story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national tv.

[Jadakiss]

Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran.

[Narrator]

My name is Maggie Freeling. I'M a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist producer and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find.

[Jadakiss]

I did not know her and I did not kill her or rape or burn or any of that other stuff.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

That y' all said.

[Fat Joe]

They literally made me say that I.

[Hunter (Hunting for Answers host)]

Took a match and struck and threw it on her.

[Fat Joe]

They made me say that I poured.

[Hunter (Hunting for Answers host)]

Gas on her.

[Narrator]

From Lava for Good. This is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame.

[Fat Joe]

America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people and small towns.

[Narrator]

Listen to Graves county in the Bone Valley feed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and to binge the entire season ad free. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

I'm Jonathan Goldstein and on the new season of Heavyweight, I help a centenarian mend a broken heart.

[Fat Joe]

How can 101 year old woman fall in love again?

[Jonathan Goldstein]

And I help a man atone for an armed robbery he committed at 14 years old.

[Fat Joe]

And so I pointed the gun at him and said, this isn't a joke. And he got down.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

And I remember feeling kind of a.

[Fat Joe]

Surge of like, okay, this is power.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Plus, my old friend Gregor and his brother try to solve my problems through hypnotism.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

We could give you a whole brand new thing where you're like super charming.

[Fat Joe]

All the time, being more able to.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Look people in the eye, not always hide behind a microphone.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Listen to heavyweight on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Hunter (Hunting for Answers host)]

I'm Hunter, host of Hunting for Answers on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Join me every weekday as I share bite sized stories of missing and murdered Black women and girls in America. There are several ways we can all do better at protecting Black women. My contribution is shining a light on our missing sisters and amplifying their disregarded stories. Stories like Tamika Anderson. As she drove toward Galvez, she was in contact with several people talking on the phone as she made her way to what should have been a routine transaction. But Tameka never bought the car and she never returned home that day. One podcast, one Mission. Save our girls. Join the search as we explore the chilling cases of missing and murdered Black women and girls. Listen to Hunting for Answers every weekday on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Chinatown Sting Narrator]

In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia.

[Fat Joe]

We had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles, and you name it.

[Chinatown Sting Narrator]

But what they find is not what they expected.

[Fat Joe]

Basically, your stay at home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin.

[Chinatown Sting Participant]

They go, is this your daughter? I said, yes. They go, oh, you may not see her for, like, 25 years.

[Chinatown Sting Narrator]

Caught between a federal investigation and the violent gang who recruited them, the women must decide who they're willing to protect and who they dare to betray.

[Chinatown Sting Participant]

Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his hand, and I saw the flash of light.

[Chinatown Sting Narrator]

Listen to the Chinatown sting on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or anywhere you get your podcasts.

[Jadakiss]

Your grill, dad. How you like it, man?

[Ty Dollar Sign]

I love it.

[Jadakiss]

When.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

I ain't gonna lie. When I knew I was about to have a daughter, I was scared of the.

[Fat Joe]

Of course, I was trying to figure out.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

She 20 now, bro.

[Fat Joe]

My daughter, 19. I know.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

So you know exactly how it is.

[Fat Joe]

What?

[Ty Dollar Sign]

So look, my 20. She just started at Pepperdine University. 21 and 10 Pepperdine University, to get her master's degree. So, yeah, you did the math. She already got her BA at csun, and when she graduated high school, the same week she graduated high school, she graduated from Pierce Community College as well, because she was already taking classes during high school.

[Jadakiss]

Same week.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Same week, bro. Wow. So she went and did the two years at csun, graduated from there a couple months back, and I started at Pepperdine to get her master's. So I'm super proud of her. And I've been talking about her every day, man. Just, like, doing what we do, and to be able to have your daughter, like, go all the way to that level and have that focus, that's a big deal.

[Jadakiss]

Let's give her a round.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

You know what I'm saying? Cause thanks. I seen a lot of kids in her position with parents like us that just lean on the parents. You know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

I know most of the kids.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah, most of them. And that's like. That's not it. That's not it. Yeah. N. A lot of them, y' all hear us?

[Fat Joe]

Them motherfuckers, they lean. I had an argument with my son. He's way more mature now. He graduated college, too, thank God. But I remember he showed me one day. He said, dad, you know who this is? And I look, I really didn't know. It was a kid walking on the G4 was Dr. Dre Son. He was like, real boss's sons are moving. I Said, man, if you don't get the fuck up off my face, nigga, we are not Dr. Dre. You are Fat Joe on a Fat Joe salary, motherfucker. Get outta here. Like, yo, like they could, man. Even now, so. Even now I'm a little older. So when they booked me for an after party or something, the crowd in the club, you're my man. I'm the flyest old nigger you ever seen in your life. I don't ever do that to you. So I'm redefining the spectrum of fly shit.

[Jadakiss]

Lloyds in London.

[Fat Joe]

Don't get this shit fucked up. I know what I'm doing to him. I'm putting belt to that ass. The youth, they didn't be like, damn, oh gee, he be ducked there. Anyway. Sometimes I do the after party or whatever and it's mad young kids. Mad young kids.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

19, 20, 21, this and that. And they jumping on the couch a hundred bottles. They just spending their parents money, right? There's just no fucking way they earned that money popping a hundred bucks. Yo, bro, I was in Dubai like two, three weeks in a row. Shit, you know, I see you out there.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

I see you out there for sure. Shout out to my dog. Money kicks.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, yeah. Salaam alaikum, my brother.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Bismillah.

[Fat Joe]

Ali Kishani. I am Ali Kishani. You know, out there I got a whole nother name. I'm Ali Kishani.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Oh, fire.

[Fat Joe]

You know, I go to the mall, I drink me a little cup of. You know, I don't really drink, so I drink a cup of coffee and cipriani. And I just. People watch.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

And I tell a lot of jokes in my head. I don't tell the people. But anyway, yeah, I'm performing, I'm performing. They put you upstairs and you look down and the type of shit they. The. Yo, bro, yo, they popping so many bottles is just not. There's no way they could drink it.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Even if you got a group of 10 guys, 10 girls, 200 bottles of Cristal, Lace of Spade, this the shit is. And I'm looking over the thing. Cause you know, I like to ball, but I'm like, I'm, you know. Pause, pause. No, no. I like, you know, I spend money. This is my problem. I have a problem. I spend money, but I'm looking at this shit and they like from uk, they bring flags out, midgets with fucking bottles this big. All type of shit. I'm looking at this shit, I'm like, yo, where the is These. Is this bitcoin? Bitcoin is this bitcoin is this. What the are they doing out here, right?

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Some man, my homie destructo, he a DJ in the house world or whatever. His son, 19 years old. This just bought his first Porsche. All that off of Crypto. Before that he was selling sneakers. And now legit. Everything fully like balling on these niggas. That's why I have no excuse. I don't even take. I don't even like let people try to like make excuses, bro. Cause I see the 19 year old do it. It's like, yo, bro, them levels, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

The level, they looking like BMF in the club right now in this shit. You look at them as little kids and I'm just like, they doing a lot. They doing too much. I hope they save a dollar one day. Cause the shit they doing. And they got this thing where they go on the thing, right? They got. They got like a thing on the thing. No, no, they got like a teleprompter, right? And they be like, the UK boys is in the building. Fuck you broke mother. Like, they could text. They having bottle wars in Dubai. Club Blue. I swear, shout out to see it. And they like, the guy who just bought the 40 bottles, he's like, fuck, the other side the UK. And then they come back, Afghanistan say, suck my dick, 100 bottles. Like, yo, I'm looking at this shit. I'm sitting there, I'm trying to. Yo, bro, I'm trying to Google it.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

We used to do it like that.

[Fat Joe]

I'm trying to stop out here.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Niggas stop drinking champagne out here.

[Jadakiss]

For real bottles.

[Fat Joe]

My family doesn't understand that I'm trying to go home with a dollar. When I cross the border to a different territory, I'm trying to actually come back to pay the mortgage. If I bring them, they gonna blow the whole bag in the like immediately. The minute it goes like this, I'm gonna say, we in the SLS Hotel. The Minute Wife is a bunk Atlantis, suite of a lifetime. Four Seasons. The whole floor, the whole shit changed. What restaurant? I could go to a fucking shawlama's place to go get some fucking shawlama. Now it turns into Milos. Give me the table by the fucking water. Yo, look, look. How about you don't come and I bring home the money, right? Then you can shop, do whatever you want to do. How about please don't come because I spend more than I'm going to make, right? Does this make sense? This shit crazy out there, right?

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Now they going, they're doing it big.

[Jadakiss]

In Dubai for sure.

[Fat Joe]

And so your daughter, she got the diplomas and all. That's the Pepperdine. Listen, that's all we could pray for. It's for our kids to be successful and do good in life. I mean, that's the American dream. And you blessed, man. It's good. She level headed because she going for the masters, all that. She's sharp.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Nah, she's it for sure.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. And the guys, the guys is like, they want to date Ty Dollar's daughter.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

No, hey, we ain't even getting into that.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, we bring on green.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Fuck all them little niggas.

[Fat Joe]

I'm just saying. Yeah. I try to touch.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

She gotta stay focused.

[Fat Joe]

Boy, I kill these out here, man. They got. We got the tracker. One day, my daughter in the summer, she was a little bit too much in Harlem. I was like, oh, no, what's going on? This was like three in the morning anxiety. I'm ready to put my clothes on. I'm like, yo, the tracker says Harlem says Washington. What the is going on over. You remember that set up calling, Going to Washington Heights, going to Harlem, calling.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

She definitely had a longtime boyfriend though. And like, how I looked at it. Cause people would be like, oh, so what do you think about this? Da, da, da. I was always like, bring him.

[Fat Joe]

Thank God.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Always like, I'm not gonna like reject it. I'm not gonna like, make her feel like she can't talk to me about it or make her feel like weird about it. You know what I'm saying? So I was always.

[Fat Joe]

I think I didn't understand it.

[Jadakiss]

Always showing what's doing is you always gotta. They always gotta be able to talk to you.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

Before they seek somebody else to talk to.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Then it's over.

[Fat Joe]

Hated me. She bring boys to the house. I had a bat right there. Like a real.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Now see, with my sister, this is how it was. Like, I always scared off all of her boyfriends.

[Fat Joe]

Yes.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

But then when my daughter sit there.

[Fat Joe]

With the bat, chased him home. All type of. One sister. I don't think she was happy with me. Yeah. Rest in peace.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

I know my sister was happy.

[Fat Joe]

I don't think my sister was happy with me. Cause I did too much, man. We was chasing all type of shit, yo. You know, ever talk to my sister again, B. I'm telling you, like, right? And literally with the bat, while the dude is sitting there, she's sitting there and I'm like, they playing Happy days and shit like that. And I'm like, Sunday Monday, happy days. And I got the baseball bat. Like, boy, I'm going to tell you. But the thing is, my daughter, I've been very respectful. Happy birthday, Happy day. I've been very respectful of whatever she's doing, very supportive. And it's hard sometimes. Every now and then, when I get into it with the family, I just be like, look, guys, I'm doing some shit I never dreamed in my life that I would do. Like, I'm being so understanding.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Like, you know what I mean? Like, as a dad, you just like, yo, I'm really being understanding. Like, please don't stop with me. Cause I'm. You know. But it's. You know, it is. They say once the communication goes, yeah, it's over.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

And I feel like back then was a different way. We was. The world was. And we was being taught. We was taught to be that way. And then now, the way the world is, it's like, you're supposed to act this way, you know, be more. Not so judging. Not so this.

[Jadakiss]

They switched it from this shit.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Instilled in this.

[Jadakiss]

They uninstilled it in the new generation. Yeah, we gotta give him a round of applause for being a Billboard power player. I mean, he doing shit.

[Fat Joe]

He's the biggest. We not talking about. That's it. That's new. But there's a new thing. Billboard plot recognize us.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah, they recognize us. Gave us an award. Me, my brother, Sean Barron and Leon Thomas for our label.

[Jadakiss]

Easy, Easy Money.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Everything we've done this year.

[Jadakiss]

Doing shit.

[Fat Joe]

He deserves it.

[Jadakiss]

Doing shit. Tycoon. October 17th. When is free TC documentary going up?

[Ty Dollar Sign]

That's coming out right after that.

[Jadakiss]

Okay, make sure y' all check out everything he drops because it's insane.

[Fat Joe]

Documentaries, the interview. I feel like we talking. Oh, you just before.

[Jadakiss]

You used to keep going on. I'm here to promote you.

[Fat Joe]

You cutting them off too quick, man. You cutting them off.

[Jadakiss]

You ain't letting them promote you over here.

[Fat Joe]

I'm a dog. I'm a mutt.

[Jadakiss]

Leon Thomas, man.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Come on.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, Todd Dollar. Who you work with that you possibly could? But because like I say, you hit so many generations with your style of music right now. You just did Vultures, where the young kids just. They losing their sneakers, jumping up and down to that shit. But at the same time, I told you, I hear Jodeci, I hear Aaron Hall, I hear who you worked with, that you was like, yo, like, oh, this is unbelievable. Like, I don't believe I got the chance to work in the studio with somebody like that.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Ooh, it's a gang of people. I made a song with Mariah Carey before mc. I made a song with Fat Joe before.

[Fat Joe]

Nah, nah, nah.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Who else?

[Fat Joe]

Nah, nah, nah.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Like a gang of. But Leon, like, when it come to now, meeting Leon and working with him was like, wow. That was the first time I said wow in a long time. Cause it just felt like me again, but on a whole nother level. Like, he's fucking engineering, he's producing, he's writing, he's making beats for everybody else, he's writing songs for everybody else. Just doing so much for everybody else, but at the same time being incredible himself and nobody. Like, really? Oh, that shit's too soulful. It's too this, it's too that. Da da da. I'm like, nah, this is it. You know what I mean? And Sean Barron agreed. We started the Easy Money label and look, we put out the first album that had this song featuring me called Love Jones. And the album was cool. He was starting to get recognition, but there was no real hit off of that. And then you start getting the calls. Well, maybe Ty, you could give him one of those club songs. Or you could give him one of them da da da da da da or something like that. And I actually hit him with it. And then like an hour later. It might have been a shorter time, but I called him back immediately. Like, my nigga. No, no, no, no, no. Fuck that. Stick to you. You know, what the fuck you doing? You don't need to try nothing else. Just do your shit and look, man, we got a smash record with no sequencer, all live music, live drums, live bass, live guitar, live streams, live everything. So shout out to that man. Stick to yourself. That's all you gotta do.

[Fat Joe]

Some of the artists you respect, because we definitely have a different sound in R and B today than we have in the 90s. I feel like the 90s was the greatest time for R and B with one of the greatest. We're not going all the way back.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

It's better than that in your age bracket. But yeah. Cause I'll be looking at like the 70s is the best R and B. Yeah, yeah.

[Jadakiss]

Might be right.

[Fat Joe]

Might be temptation.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Cause I got a low rider and all that shit. So I'm always like listening to the older then.

[Fat Joe]

That's like your dad's era. Yeah, but my point is now.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Who's. What artists you think?

[Jadakiss]

How do you even feel about R and B right now?

[Ty Dollar Sign]

I feel like it's about to do that again. When I went to the BMI Awards recently, they had a whole bunch of new artists performing. And everybody that performed at that motherfucker was incredible. Sounded like this time like young motherfuckers up there playing guitar, singing, going crazy, hitting all the crazy notes, captivating the crowd, making everybody stand up. I'm like, oh, it's time again. You know? And it's people that care.

[Jadakiss]

Anybody you haven't worked with that you want to work with?

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Shit, I want to work with Lady Gaga. I ain't never did a song with Lady Gaga. She wanted the greats.

[Fat Joe]

She wanted a great. So, yeah, you know, I'm a little bit off the weird shit now, you know what I'm saying?

[Ty Dollar Sign]

What you saying her shit weird?

[Fat Joe]

Nah, I'm not saying she's a little weird, but she is definitely very, very talented. I'm not reframing her, but musically crazy, you know, like, style wise crazy and all that. I'm like, yo, you know what? I'm a little bit off that. What you.

[Jadakiss]

What.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

He said? Do that again. What?

[Fat Joe]

Artists acting with like and all that, all of that.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Can you give us an example?

[Fat Joe]

What is that?

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, who's. What is that?

[Fat Joe]

I don't know. Y' all trying to jam me up. I can't say that because one of the biggest artists of today, but I watched her perform recently and. And I was just like, yo, you know what? I'm kind of off trying to act like all that shit. Like, that was cute maybe when Nicki Minaj started that. But just stop act. Trying to act crazy. Like, just, you're very talented. Your music could speak for itself. You know what I'm saying? And so some artists get caught up in that just like, fashion. Like, just cause you dress weird don't mean you fly. Yeah, right. I've been seeing motherfuckers now just walking, looking weird, and they think they slide. It's like, no, dude, you're a fucking weirdo. That's not a go. You understand what I'm saying? So I just feel like just doing too much, necessarily. Somebody I respect very much in R and B right now is Kehlani. I feel like she could have did it in the Brandi Monica era, you know what I'm saying? That's what I'm looking for. I'm looking for real music with Substance.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

K. Been doing her shit for a long time, and I'm happy to see her. Well, she got a number one record now, right? Or it's almost number one. It's top five for sure.

[Fat Joe]

I don't watch charts no More.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

I'm old school, B. I feel you on that. But like you said in the beginning, you looking for that supremacy, right? She finally gets the supremacy, I think.

[Fat Joe]

Her voice, her tone. That music that folded that. This, That's Brandi. We had Brandi and Monica.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah, that's for sure. Brandi did a remix.

[Fat Joe]

That was the Locks and Maldique, Brandi, Monica, you know, we had fucking 112. What is this? Numbers in the pocket? I don't have a reason. Like, we had some shit. And the problem I have is. And it's the same problem with young hip hop, too. It's like everybody ain't in the.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

He still stuck off that one.

[Fat Joe]

Everybody just wanted one hit. Everybody wanted one hit. They don't want that. That real shit that lasts 10, 20 years and all that.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

And that's been the problem with music lately. Especially with rap music. I feel like.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, microwave.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah. Somebody said it the other day. It's like, what used to be. It was like, it was Saha Saha, the Prince he was talking about back in the day. It used to be the real rap niggas, and it used to be the street niggas. And then now the street want to be the rap and.

[Fat Joe]

You mean.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

And they really suck in the street.

[Fat Joe]

Like, the street from the street want to rap. Yeah, man, I've seen 50yo's that don't really rap talk off the cliff. Yeah, 50yo's real. Bust a gun, put out a single case Slay used to call and be like, yo, get your mans in them now. I'm talking about gangsters, guys. 20 years in jail, real dudes. This is that all of a sudden, put out a single or something. I'm like, yo, my man, they used to call me like the gangster police. Like, they would call me and be like, yo, Joe, talk to him. They don't want to lose the whole legacy. Like, imagine the scariest dude in Yonkers all of a sudden, 54 years old, he want to drop a song. Bro, you should have did that shit at 20. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This man said. Not him. I think it was alchemist said, yo, there is no age limit. True. When you've been doing it a while, right? Don't come brand new. 54 think a gonna be playing your shit. They not playing your. Don't do that.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Oh, God.

[Fat Joe]

It has not the profession for you. Your time has passed.

[Jadakiss]

You can't enter this shit.

[Fat Joe]

Old. No, not 50 years old and all that. I'm like, yo, you know how many times? I swear to God my phone will ring. Rest in peace.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

What is the latest age you can enter?

[Fat Joe]

You can't do it. You can't do it.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Like for me, right? You started my shit, didn't boom until I was 27.

[Fat Joe]

That's cool. That's a great.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

A lot of n. That's like, I don't care.

[Fat Joe]

I think anyway. Nah. Some rappers, I think two chains.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Jay Z changed.

[Jadakiss]

Rick Ross got one of the two changes, but he started early. He just came back and popped later.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, Rick Ross. I watched Rick Ross walking around the clubs for 10 years straight trying to like.

[Jadakiss]

I used to see boss get it right.

[Fat Joe]

You understand what I'm saying? But I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is it's two different things we talking about, you know, I ain't saying when you said street niggas want to rap. My thing is, all right, a 22, 24, 25, 31 year old street nigga do not come with OG Bobby Watson. Watson Bobby Watson don't come with a nigga. OG Bobby Johnson don't do it. Gaysay used to call me and be like, yo, Joe, the God. Such and such from Queens. Gotta talk to your man Joe. Such and such in Brooklyn. These 50 year old guys trying to act like, who is going to buy your music? Who is going to support that music? Please stop being delusional. It's one thing if you're og, you mob deep, you fat, yo, you jaden, kiss you. This, this, this. You've been doing this. You drop a project, we actually appreciate that. Yeah, right. Every other genre could do it. They don't stop at certain age. We could do it. Slick Rick, drop the album. I'm buying. Everybody, I'm buying. But don't come brand new 62. Nah. And they do it. The problem is I'm bringing it to attention because they do it. They come out and they be like.

[Jadakiss]

Yo, that is somebody's dream. I don't give that though.

[Fat Joe]

Another thing is, if you sleeping on your girlfriend's couch.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

That don't mean you.

[Jadakiss]

Can'T make a hint.

[Fat Joe]

You got four kids, she's working. You can't make a hit. She got four kids, she's working. You're sleeping on your girl's couch. You got four kids, she's working every day. You playing 2K.

[Jadakiss]

You got four kids, bro.

[Fat Joe]

This is what I'm trying to tell you. These guys are telling these girls they're rappers.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Rappers.

[Fat Joe]

They're telling them they rappers. They don't have A show. Look, if you don't have somebody downloading your shit besides your family and friends, if you don't have a show, if no one even knows you exist but yourself and your crew. You, my friend, are not a rapper. You are not a success. This is not your profession. Seek a job and do this. Seek the kingdom. Get a job, do something. Because the girl know by now there's some ladies here would you know. If the guy's 42, sleeping on your couch playing 2K, talking about he's some sort of rapper. You know by now that he full of shit, right? You might love him. Cause you love him, but he's not for real.

[Jadakiss]

There's something wrong.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Same thing with the 30 year, 30 year old models that ain't never been on no cover.

[Jadakiss]

Link in the Bible.

[Fat Joe]

They might be bad women. With the Lincoln, yo. They might be bad women.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

I disagree with that.

[Fat Joe]

They might be bad.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

You might be a bad.

[Fat Joe]

A year and a half. Let the head drop down to her ass. Listen, let me tell you something. I disagree with that one. You could be any kind of model. The guy on the couch that doesn't have a job. Who's using the fact that he's some type of rapper. Because he snuck in the studio and cut a demo. You're not really a rapper. I also have a problem. Damn, this turned into. What's your problem, Fat Joe? My problem is everybody who even shoots or gets killed on the news. Somehow they're a rapper. Rapper Johnny Z. Oh, God. Shot the place this like, yo, bro, where did he rap?

[Ty Dollar Sign]

It's no longer your man.

[Fat Joe]

J. Cole put it in the verse. He was like, yo, every time I little buddy, rap. I listened to his shit after he got killed on the like, yo, bro, like, what is the quality? Nothing. Everything, man. I don't know what to tell you, man. Everything is like, you don't have to be qualified no more. It used to be you had to get respect, you know. Somebody came to you and said, yo, Todd, dollar you nice. And then you started rocking with the big boys.

[Jadakiss]

You rapping, you can just upload your own music and celebrate your own life.

[Fat Joe]

I'm looking.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah, it's dumbed down for sure.

[Fat Joe]

You wanted to be a singer?

[Jadakiss]

A little bit.

[Fat Joe]

I wanted to be a single. If I could have traded my rap career to be like Newt Evangelos. No, he was a rap career.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

What would have been your R B name? It wouldn't have been no Joey Crack.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, listen, I'd have been on some bullshit though. I'd have Been giving the whole audience roses and shit, all type of shit. Like, I'd have been on sports. I mean, you know. You know, singing to me is just different, I guess. Rap is rap, but to be singing to me is more beautiful, whether it's in English or Spanish. Spanish, they got south music, one of the most beautiful musics in the world. You know what I'm saying? So it's the same thing with English. Like, man, I love that shit.

[Jadakiss]

Cool, man. 10, 17, free TC. Slightly after that. Let's make some noise for our brother, Todd Dollar Sign.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Appreciate you, brother. We love you.

[Jadakiss]

No doubt. Let's toast.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Toast it up.

[Fat Joe]

You thought you could have this.

[Jadakiss]

That line, your smile.

[Fat Joe]

That's body.

[Jadakiss]

Your body.

[Fat Joe]

This ain't that.

[Jadakiss]

That ain't this. It's cracking. Kiss. It's another one, baby.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Dollar Sign.

[Jadakiss]

Yes. Dollar Sign.

[Fat Joe]

Dollar Sign, hold up. One thing. I gotta ask. I know we rap, but your relationship with Hitmaker. Yeah, tell us a little something about that. Because, I mean, I feel like, yo, he. He could get Ty$, he could wake you up in your sleep, like.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Become so tight between you and him.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

It took a long time because he's my Eskimo brother. It took a long. It took a long time to start because we used to. I used to not fuck with him at first because that nigga was hitting one of my bitches, but.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, that's what Eskimo.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Like y' all know the same young ladies. Yeah.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

Wow.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

But then once I grew up, up and got mature, I realized that especially in this industry, that happens so much, you know what I'm saying? Everybody, right?

[Fat Joe]

Every place we go, I used to.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

Say it was just like, damn, nigga, if we would have been working since back then, we would have so many hits. You feel me? That nigga's, like, talented. He really, like, knows. He knows Hitman how to get to the hits. So we work all the time. Every time I stop in Miami, I'm pulling up on him.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, man, I had to ask you that because that's my go to for Todd Dot. With Todd Dollar, he disappears sometimes. I can't believe I need to get.

[Jadakiss]

A lot of money.

[Fat Joe]

That 12 people number to get in touch with you. I got a call. Hit me. Him making a man ain't calling me back, man. Told me might be sleeping. Joe, don't worry, I'll go get him. I'm going to find him. But shout out to the hit maker. We need him on his.

[Jadakiss]

He just called me. He want to come next week.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, Jada, who you talking to? Like, did you talk to me here? I can't speak to him this morning I put on the TV and I see Allen Navis and Bubba Chuck all over. He's promoting some book. I called Jada. I see. Yo, Jada.

[Jadakiss]

He called me already.

[Fat Joe]

I'm watching. Yeah, got off the phone with him last night.

[Jadakiss]

Called me already, man, doing.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, what the. Why he ain't on the couch? Like, yo, what are you.

[Jadakiss]

The same reason he ate on the.

[Fat Joe]

Couch when you found out he was in New York. He's ducking us. He's ducking us. But you know, we need hit maker on there. You know what I'm saying? But we appreciate you, Todd Dollar. I personally appreciate you for everything you've done for me. You really, really help me out.

[Jadakiss]

So free TC, man.

[Ty Dollar Sign]

BTC.

[Fat Joe]

Free TC.

[Narrator]

The murder of an 18 year old girl in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved for years until a local housewife, a journalist, and a handful of girls came from forward with a story.

[Fat Joe]

America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns.

[Narrator]

Listen to Graves county on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season ad free. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.

[Hunter (Hunting for Answers host)]

Short on time, but big on true crime. On a recent episode of the podcast Hunting for Answers, I highlighted the story of 19 year old Lachey Dungey. But she never knocked on that door. She never made it inside. And that text message would be the last time anyone would ever hear from her. Listen to Hunting for Answers from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

I'm Jonathan Goldstein and on the new season of Heavyweight.

[Fat Joe]

And so I pointed the gun at him and said, this isn't a joke.

[Jonathan Goldstein]

A man who robbed a bank when he was 14 years old and a centenarian rediscovers a love lost 80 years ago.

[Fat Joe]

How can one year old woman fall in love again?

[Jonathan Goldstein]

Listen to heavyweight on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Chinatown Sting Narrator]

In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia.

[Fat Joe]

Had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles and units. 5, 6 white people pushed me in the car.

[Hunter (Hunting for Answers host)]

I'm going, what the hell?

[Fat Joe]

Basically your stay at home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin.

[Chinatown Sting Participant]

All you gotta do is receive the package. Don't have to open it, just accept it.

[Fat Joe]

She was very upset, crying.

[Chinatown Sting Participant]

Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his hand and I saw the flash of light.

[Chinatown Sting Narrator]

Listen to the Chinatown sting on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or anywhere you get your podcasts.