NEW SHOW PREMIERE: 4th and South - Jarvis Landry & Leonard Fournette talk NFL news, Tua & Dolphins, great Tom Brady stories

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Episode: 4th and South PREMIERE: Jarvis Landry & Leonard Fournette talk NFL news, Tua & Dolphins, Tom Brady stories
Air Date: March 11, 2026
Hosts: Leonard Fournette & Jarvis Landry
Duration: ~1 hour 25 minutes

Episode Overview

The debut episode of "4th and South" features two of Louisiana’s most celebrated NFL exports—Leonard Fournette and Jarvis Landry—diving straight into current NFL news, personal stories from their careers, candid reflections on life after football, and the unique perspective that comes from having “been there.” They discuss the Tua Tagovailoa saga, blockbuster trades, Tom Brady’s behind-the-scenes influence, transitions off the field, and the importance of mental health. The tone is authentic, unfiltered, and brotherly—mixing football insight, locker-room stories, and hard-won life advice.

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Main Discussion Topics & Insights

1. Podcast Origins & Chemistry (03:10–05:44)

• Leonard and Jarvis share the story of how “4th and South” came to be, emphasizing their Louisiana roots and close friendship.
• Leonard: "This has been a dream for me for about three to four years... there's no better person... Jarvis Landry." (04:30)
• Jarvis: "I'm excited for this out, man. It's a long time coming. A lot of great stories, a lot of sports..." (05:17)

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2. Tua Tagovailoa & The Dolphins Quarterback Situation (06:04–10:15)

• Tua’s Release: Jarvis critiques former Miami GM decisions, and states Tua’s limitations go beyond concussions—it was about performance.
  • Jarvis: "I think he has some...limitations. They tried to bring the right coach in...still, I don't think he was able to get the job done." (06:29)
• Concussion Protocol Debate: Jarvis insists the issue was talent, not just injury history.
  • Jarvis: "If anybody...has watched Miami games...I think we all know that, you know, he's not the guy." (07:22)
• Malik’s Arrival at Miami: Discussion on Malik’s trade to Miami, questioning the size of his contract given his “body of work.”
  • Leonard: "You have to at least have something on your resume to get paid." (09:00)

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3. Tyreek Hill’s Future & “K9” MVP Prediction (10:15–12:50)

• Tyreek: They speculate Tyreek’s next team, with Jarvis rooting for a Kansas City return and acknowledging his unique impact.
  • Jarvis: "No matter the team...it's going to help a team out, you know, possibly win a championship." (10:42)
• K9's MVP: Leonard credits Jarvis for predicting K9’s MVP win.
  • Leonard: "You called K9 winning MVP. What's going on up there?!" (11:34)
• Football Instincts: Jarvis describes his knack for predicting football trends due to deep experience as a player.
  • Jarvis: "Watching a guy maybe four or five times...I can already kind of tell...oh, he need to get out of that situation." (12:21)

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4. Free Agency & Tom Brady Stories (13:10–18:50)

• Fournette Re-signing with Tampa: Tom Brady’s behind-the-scenes text convinced Leonard to return to the Bucs over signing with New England.
  • Leonard: "TB text me, like, where you at? ... He like, man, get your ass from out there." (13:25)
• Deshaun Watson’s Free Agency Swerve: Both almost followed Watson to Atlanta, only to see him sign a record contract with Cleveland at the last minute.
  • Jarvis: "Next thing you know, man...I wake up the next day, bags packed at the door...Sean Watson signed. Cleveland Browns." (18:03)

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5. NFC South Rivalries & Playing Favorites (18:59–23:41)

• Tampa Bay vs. New Orleans: Shared memories of the intense Bucs-Saints rivalry, including brawls, hometown pride, and switching allegiances.
• Favorite Teams: Leonard admits Tampa Bay was his favorite squad, despite memorable years in Jacksonville.
  • Leonard: "My favorite team of all time...was Tampa...it's the guys in the locker room." (20:40)
• Antonio Brown, Rob Gronkowski, Ndamukong Suh: Unfiltered stories about eccentric teammates and locker room dynamics.

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6. Tom Brady’s Leadership & Preparation (25:01–28:15)

• Game Planning: Brady’s insane attention to detail, letting teammates know play counts and targets (even on Fridays).
  • Leonard: "He knew every fucking thing. Everything, every fucking thing when it was happening before it happened." (25:34)
• Locker Room Culture: Both discuss their roles in supporting and protecting Brady, and how “treat[ing] him like my teammate” earned respect.

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7. Mike Evans, Trades & Team Building (38:57–43:17)

• Mike Evans Signs with 49ers: Reaction to Evans leaving Tampa for a 3-year/$60M deal with San Francisco.
  • Leonard: "Tampa. Why would y'all give this man the option to go exploring knowing people are gonna want him?" (39:30)
  • Jarvis: "He was the best thing that happened to Tampa...the pioneer there." (40:31)
• Saints Add Travis Etienne: Instant analysis of Etienne’s impact, debate about Alvin Kamara’s future, and how RB tandems fit today’s NFL.

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8. The Business Side of Football: Free Agency, NIL & Transfer Portal (43:38–58:46)

• Fournette’s Jacksonville Exit: Candid storytelling about team clashes, business decisions, and not watching the Jaguars anymore.
  • Leonard: "That shit really made me...this game is not loyal to you." (46:44)
• NIL & Transfer Portal: Lively discussion on how college football has changed for players—both the upsides and the loss of competitive grind.
  • Leonard: "NIL is fucking the game up, too...back in our times...you had to stay there and compete." (55:59)
  • Jarvis: "Wouldn't you say that's a business decision?...Why would I stay when I can go play at Ole Miss...?" (56:15)

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9. Today’s Best Running Backs (51:25–52:12)

• Leonard’s Top RBs: Saquon Barkley, Derrick Henry, Christian McCaffrey, with nods to his own class and NFL evolution.

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10. Life After the NFL & Mental Health (74:12–85:23)

• Transitioning Out: Both open up about the emotional aftermath of leaving football—the loss of structure, identity, brotherhood, and public attention.
  • Leonard: "You go from getting multiple phone calls every day...to nobody's calling you at all...I think everyone has went through a depression state." (75:45)
  • Jarvis: "It was a tough two years for me...grateful for the support system I've had around me. Grateful for you as a brother." (74:39)
• Coping & Growth: The role of faith, family, and finding renewed purpose. Addressing mental health struggles openly and encouraging others to reach out.
  • Jarvis: "You are a testimony to many of us...this show will allow you to highlight that and use the light that God has blessed you with to inspire more people." (83:19)
  • Leonard: "Don't fucking quit...[if] I gave up...we wouldn't be here, right? I didn't give up. I didn't quit." (84:50)

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11. Lenny’s Locks – Predictions & Hot Takes (68:05–69:45)

• AFC/NFC/Super Bowl Picks: Kansas City Chiefs (AFC), L.A. Rams (NFC), KC as predicted Super Bowl Champion.
  • Leonard: "Pat Mahomes...is going to come back and do his thing." (69:04)
• Longshot: Chicago Bears as the sleeper team for next season.

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12. Kyler Murray’s Release & Quarterback Talk (69:50–74:06)

• Kyler’s NFL Future: Debate over whether Kyler Murray’s size, play style, or organizational changes doomed him in Arizona.
  • Jarvis: "The era of the undersized quarterback...we’ve seen kind of like leave the game a bit." (71:47)
• QB Landscape: Where could Kyler play next? Is he now a backup, or does he wait for the right chance?

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Leonard Fournette on Tom Brady:
  *"I think the reason why he respected me so much, I didn’t treat him like Tom Brady, I treat him like my teammate...especially in a game when he scrambled, I’m like, bro, get your fucking old ass down the ball."_ (26:14)
• Jarvis Landry on calls from Deshaun Watson:
  "I wake up the next day, bags packed at the door, driver coming through the gate. Breaking news. Deshaun Watson signed. Cleveland Browns, $256 million, fully guaranteed." (18:03)
• Jarvis Landry on football instincts:
  "I just feel like I know football enough and I've played at a high level to be able to...to recognize it, you know?" (12:50)
• Leonard Fournette on life after NFL:
  "I think everyone has went through a depression state in their life. Yep, everyone. I did it...you know, just asking God, like, man, make me, like, find my purpose." (75:52)
• Jarvis Landry on brotherhood and healing:
  "This show is about offering wisdom, talking about our transition, helping people...figure out how they can, you know, maneuver through this crazy world that we live in." (84:35)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Show Origin & Chemistry: 03:10–05:44
• Tua & Miami Discussion: 06:04–10:15
• Tyreek Hill/K9 MVP: 10:15–12:50
• Tom Brady’s Texts & Free Agency Stories: 13:10–18:50
• NFC South Rivalry Memories: 18:59–23:41
• Tom Brady Locker Room Leadership: 25:01–28:15
• Mike Evans to 49ers: 38:57–43:17
• Travis Etienne to Saints: 43:28–44:44
• Fournette’s Jags Exit Story: 44:44–50:15
• Best NFL RBs Today: 51:25–52:12
• NIL & Transfer Portal Debate: 54:09–58:46
• Life After Football/Mental Health: 74:12–85:23
• Lenny’s Locks & Predictions: 68:05–69:45

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Takeaways

• The show promises a mix of unfiltered NFL news, real-life player experience, and the kind of authentic perspective you only get from those who have “been in the trenches.”
• Themes of brotherhood, mental health, and the nuanced realities of life after football set “4th and South” apart.
• Fournette and Landry’s chemistry and mutual respect shine throughout—expect inside stories, real talk, and more high-profile guests in future episodes.

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For future listeners:
If you value raw honesty, league scoops, and player-driven conversations about both the NFL and real life, this episode sets the bar for the new show.

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[Jarvis Landry]

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[Leonard Fournette]

We. I. I don't have to say no more for this. Out. Stay tuned. L. Fernet here. Welcome to 4th and South. Leonard, my guy, Jarvis. The. No, no, no, take that back. The Jarvis Landry.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yes, sir.

[Leonard Fournette]

You see Louisiana boys, born and raised.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yes, sir.

[Leonard Fournette]

Long time coming. How you feeling today, my brother?

[Jarvis Landry]

Man, I'm blessed, man. I'm blessed. Happy to be here with you, man. This is a long time coming.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yes, yes. So for you guys who don't know, this has been a dream for me for about three to four years, right?

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

And, you know, timing is everything. I'm happy to be here. They was asking me, who would you want to do it with? I'm like, man, listen, there's no better person. A guy that I love, that's my guy, Jarvis Landry.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah, man. Yeah. You know what? I have the same amount of respect for you, too. So, like, I remember you posted this on your social media probably, you know, eight months ago, six months ago, and. And I saw it, and ironically, I was like, I DM you right away. I was like, yo, if you do do a podcast, let me know. I'm doing. I'm gonna do it with you. And you hit me the next day. And you was like, let's Go.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah.

[Jarvis Landry]

And. And now we here, so I'm excited, man, for this out, man. It's a long time coming. A lot of great stories, a lot of. A lot of sports, a lot of, you know, just things that we went through, transitions. A lot of. A lot. A lot of guests, special guests that we know you guys are gonna love out there. So, you know, we happy to be a part of this show, have this platform, share this space together, man. I'm excited about it, bro. I cannot wait to, you know, for you guys to see it.

[Leonard Fournette]

And it's picking on that, man. Let's talk about, you know, we both played for Florida teams. You know, I won the super bowl with Tampa. Y' all see the ring, you know what I'm saying? I don't. Listen, listen.

[Jarvis Landry]

Diamond, diamond, diamonds on.

[Leonard Fournette]

I won't brag, but you see the ring now. Yeah, unfortunately, you know, my guy couldn't get him one, but I got one for us.

[Jarvis Landry]

That's Cole. That's Cole.

[Leonard Fournette]

I got one for us, but, you know, embarking on that. Let's talk about the TUA situation, right? I've known TUA for a while now. I feel like he can still play a little bit. You know, it depends on. He has to be in the right circumstance, the right team, by you being homebred Miami guy who they drafted, you know, what's your thoughts on that?

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't know if there is a right team. I think, you know, I think he has some lim. A lot of limitations. Um, I think they tried to bring the right coach in. You know, they tried to build a team around him. They went and get him some help, and still, I don't think he was able to get a job done. And I guess, you know, that's what led to his release. You know, I don't think it's a bad release. I think it's a great decision, you know, whoever the GM is there now, I think he's doing an amazing job. You know, the last gm, he set the franchise back, if I'm honest, a couple of years. I'm just saying. I just feel like he set him. I just feel like he set him back and. But again, he was a. He was a phenomenal player. Alabama. I think the injuries is one of those things that set any great athlete back.

[Leonard Fournette]

Right. My next question. Do you think the concussion protocols played a part of him being released, or was it so much of his talent?

[Jarvis Landry]

I think it was the talent. I think if anybody. That is a Miami Dolphin fan has watched Miami games. Like how I have. Like we both have. We sports fans and any sports fan have watched Miami Dolphin games. I think we all know that, you know, he's not the guy. And we're just hoping that it happens and it happens. And again, he's a tremendous guy, tremendous human being. I've met him a couple of times, right. But I don't know if. And I couldn't play quarterback, to be honest. I could not play. That's why I play. I play receiver for a reason. You know what I mean? But at the same time, you know, when you look at the guys that are leading the league at that position and you look at all of the gifts that they have as a leader, you know, also as, you know, just their physical gifts.

[Leonard Fournette]

Right.

[Jarvis Landry]

Their ability to run the football, the ability to throw the football.

[Leonard Fournette]

Right.

[Jarvis Landry]

To not have a Tyreek Hill on their side. Jaylen Waddle, right. And I think at one time he had Jon Jonu Smith as well. You know, it was a great tight end in the league. So I think he had the weapons, man, and the. I don't wanna say his body filled him. I just think that the talent, it just wasn't something that ever really stood out.

[Leonard Fournette]

Okay, so let's talk about this new trade they did.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

Mr. Malik. I'm not sure what he signed for, but I know it's a lot of money.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

That's breaking news, right? It's breaking news to me. He doesn't have enough body work.

[Jarvis Landry]

Body of work, yeah. Why do you say that?

[Leonard Fournette]

What have he done?

[Jarvis Landry]

I thought he played great in Tennessee. Not great. Not great. I thought he played decent in Tennessee,

[Leonard Fournette]

but he was a backup wearer in Green Bay. In Green Bay. So for me, I'm not gonna say nobody never deserved to get paid, right? But you have to at least have something on your resume to get paid. I agree. And is it the right pick? I don't know. I'm not sure at the moment. But I hope it pans out for him.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah. I also think at that position, you know, it's a longer shelf life.

[Leonard Fournette]

Right.

[Jarvis Landry]

I think he's a young quarterback. Everybody sees the potential. You know, hopefully he's just not another hopeful quarterback Right. In his league. And I don't know, who knows if he gets a shot in Miami, like a true shot. But they paid him like he will, so it'll be exciting to see how that turns out. Obviously, they losing weapons in the backfield, they're losing weapons on the outside, so it'll Be interesting to see. But Green Bay has always been more of a game management type team. You know, even when he took over when Jordan Love got injured this year, he stepped up and did well, but he really managed the game behind a great defense.

[Leonard Fournette]

He did.

[Jarvis Landry]

So it'd be interesting to see what this play actually is about. I'm happy for him. Happy. He got paid, my boy, for sure. Get all the money you can, for sure.

[Leonard Fournette]

So that leads to my next question.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

Mr. Tyreek Hill. Where does he land? Who. Who right now in the NFL needs Tyreek Hill?

[Jarvis Landry]

The injury is. Is. Is something that you never want to see on the football field.

[Leonard Fournette]

True.

[Jarvis Landry]

Right. Um, and I think everybody's hopeful that he can come back and still be the same cheater that we know and love and, you know, a dog, man. An animal. Literally. Literally an animal.

[Leonard Fournette]

Right, right.

[Jarvis Landry]

So everybody's hopeful for that. And I think wherever he lands, man, no matter the team, if he even have a little bit left, bro, it's going to help a team out, you know, possibly win a championship. I would love to see him go back to Kansas City.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah.

[Jarvis Landry]

Which they just signed our guy over there.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yes.

[Jarvis Landry]

K9.

[Leonard Fournette]

K9 MVP. Speaking on that. Right. You predicted he will be the mvp.

[Jarvis Landry]

I did.

[Leonard Fournette]

Two weeks before that Seattle and Patriots game.

[Jarvis Landry]

I did. I must be a prophet.

[Leonard Fournette]

Listen, we was on the phone with him. My guy said, you will win mvp. He laughed. You know what I'm saying? You know, I let guys do their thing. I'm like, listen, do it for the ball head, fellas. You hear me? Hold it down. Like, I need you out there. So just to see your mind, you almost have like a GM mindset. You called Tua being released. You called Tyreek being released. Right. And you call K9 winning MVP. What's going on up there? That's the real question. Hey, what's going on up there, man?

[Jarvis Landry]

I don't know. I don't know, bro. I think it's. I think we naturally watch sports and I think, you know, you do it as well. Right. You know, where you see things happen and sometimes. Not that it's predicting the future, obviously, this game is a hard game to play. You know, at any level. You know, to be a professional or be considered one of the best is, you know, it's challenging.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah, Right.

[Jarvis Landry]

But when you look at guys like yourself who've done it at a high level for a long time, we look at other guys in the league who's done it as a. And they become the standard.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah, right.

[Jarvis Landry]

And because they're the standard and you see other guys and it's not even close.

[Leonard Fournette]

True.

[Jarvis Landry]

And that's kind of, for me, that's kind of one of the things that I've been able to, like, recognize and watching a guy maybe four or five times and I can already kind of tell, like, what that, oh, he need to get out of that situation, or, you know, they need to bring more weapons in for him, or he needs a quarterback from a receiver standpoint. You know what I mean? So, again, man, I don't know. I just feel like I know football enough and I've played at a high level to be able to, you know, to be able to speak with some type of.

[Leonard Fournette]

To recognize it.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah, to recognize it, you know?

[Leonard Fournette]

Nah, for sure. So when you say, you know, you just spoke on about the free agency. Right? I never really had a free agency trial in my NFL career. Right. You know, I remember we came off the loss against the Rams. Right. And you know, sometimes you gotta do what's best for you, you know, go out there, go venture off and see what's out there. Right. So it's a crazy ass story. I was in Boston.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

At the table with the Patriots. With the Patriots.

[Jarvis Landry]

With Billy Belly Check.

[Leonard Fournette]

With a goat.

[Jarvis Landry]

Come on.

[Leonard Fournette]

With the old goat, right? So I'm getting texts, you know my dog tb. Y' all know tb? That's Thomas Brady, the homie. Text me like, where you at? I'm like, shit, I'm in Boston about to highlight the Patriots. He like, man, get your ass from out there. He's like. He like, what? What do you want, huh? We gonna make it happen for you.

[Jarvis Landry]

And he's in Tampa at this time?

[Leonard Fournette]

Yes, he's in Tampa. He's in Tampa at this time.

[Jarvis Landry]

And he called you and said, get back on the plane.

[Leonard Fournette]

Get back. I'm unretiring.

[Jarvis Landry]

Did he book the plane ticket?

[Leonard Fournette]

Nah, I paid myself. But it's cool, though. You know what I'm saying? But let's talk, like. Talk about free agency. Like, you see.

[Jarvis Landry]

No, hold on. You can't skip over that. You can't skip over that. So after you left Boston.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yes.

[Jarvis Landry]

After you got on the plane two

[Leonard Fournette]

days later, I signed back with Tampa.

[Jarvis Landry]

Before Tom Brady ever came out of retirement.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yes.

[Jarvis Landry]

Cause you already knew he was coming out of retirement.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yes.

[Jarvis Landry]

See, that's the Ian Rappaport, Leonard Fournette version that we need more often. That's the version that we getting on this show right there.

[Leonard Fournette]

And. Oh, fuck, I'm thinking about it, bro. We have a crazy Ass story. Deshaun Watson. So listen, this young man texted me and said, we have a big play right now. Yeah. So I'm like, all right, well, I'm working out right now. Call me in about 30 minutes so we could discuss this. Right? Yeah, it is me, Mr. Jarvis Landry, and Deshawn Watson on the phone on group FaceTime. Deshaun's like, you know, I'm thinking about going to Atlanta. I'm like, oh, shit, that's right there. That's perfect.

[Jarvis Landry]

Like, home.

[Leonard Fournette]

That's perfect. So I'm like, all right, well, listen, say, brother, keep us in touch. Let us know what you gonna do. Cause we sign there, you know? I know you kind of went at it with your agent, like, all right, he signed up the money you was gonna get. And I was going at. With my agent. If he signed up the money I was gonna get. Can you please explain to the people what happened? Like, how he just. He just. Like I say, listen, it's a business, so it's about you at the end of the day. But he made the decision that was best for him. But my man left us high and dry. I wanted to cry, man. I should be a rapper, huh? Man, I wanted to cry, man. Tell him the story, bro. Tell him the story.

[Jarvis Landry]

I don't know, you know, to be able to walk somebody through here, to be able to walk somebody through this situation, right? It's. It's complicated in a way, because, like, you say, like, you always want people to make decisions based on, you know, their family, their situation.

[Leonard Fournette]

Right?

[Jarvis Landry]

But as men also, we want people to hold up to their word.

[Leonard Fournette]

Right? True.

[Jarvis Landry]

So it's. It's. It was a. It was a. It's a situation where. All right, so, look, I get a call one day from a random number. I didn't answer the phone. I get a text, and he was like, yo, it's Defoe.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah.

[Jarvis Landry]

And I'm like, defoe, not Defo L. All right? I'm like, Defoe. So I answer the phone. So I call him back, answer the phone, FaceTime. And it's DeShawn. I think he got one of his, like, quarterback coach or one of his friends in, like, a hotel room or whatever it is. Obviously, at that time, he's hot in the media, being that, you know, his case got dropped and, you know, that stuff settled and his return to the league is, like. Is happening, right? So we talk for, like, 15 minutes about Atlanta. Next thing you know, man, I'm like, yeah, bro, I'm with it. I'm Like, I know somebody else that probably with it too, which is you. So I'm like, I think Leonard Fournette will be with it too. So he was like, well, let's start a group text. So we started a group text. Now, mind you mind y', all, I'm on the phone at this point for the next, like, three or four days, every day with Arthur Smith. Arthur Smith, at the time, is the OC head coach there. So he calling all the plays. So I'm talking. He telling me how, you know, we could. He gonna be using me and this and that and the third. So I'm about to get ready to book a flight. I'm talking to my agent. My agent in on it, too. My agent kind of like, you know, he's like, man, it could be a great play. Desean obviously had an amazing career in Houston, right? And then, you know, he. He went through his. Went through his things, right? And. And now he's back. It could be a great opportunity to really get the ball in your hands. There's nothing like having a secure guy for him to throw. Throw the ball to, right? So we talk on the phone. I'm like, look, I'm about to book a flight to Atlanta. We even planned where we were going to have dinner at in Atlanta. And I wake up the next day, bags packed at the door, driver coming through the gate. Breaking news. Sean Watson signed. Cleveland Browns, $256 million, fully guaranteed.

[Leonard Fournette]

I called ASAP. I said, what the fuck? I said, hold up. What is he supposed to let us know, man? And don't get me wrong, I was a little upset with you, but I understand the business side. Right. But he did text us and apologize. You know, man, I should have better communicated on his behalf and shit. I appreciated that. You know what I'm saying? It meant a lot. But Atlanta Falcons, what if?

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah, Dirty Birds.

[Leonard Fournette]

What if? Nah, we would have had a lot of fucking beef with New Orleans.

[Jarvis Landry]

Been perfect.

[Leonard Fournette]

Nah, the cc.

[Jarvis Landry]

I ended up going to New Orleans.

[Leonard Fournette]

I know, but listen, the rivalry between Tampa and the Saints.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah. What was it like for you growing up in that rivalry?

[Leonard Fournette]

See, I never was a Saints fan.

[Jarvis Landry]

Why? You from the city?

[Leonard Fournette]

I was always a 49ers fan. I'm a 49ers fan until I died. Going through. Me too. Yes. So what the.

[Jarvis Landry]

Listen, don't judge me.

[Leonard Fournette]

I'm from Convale, so it's like, now getting to play in that rivalry.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

Cause, you know, I always seen Mike and Marshawn fight. I'm like, ah, that shit.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

It might be this. You know what I'm saying? But once you get on the field, they don't fuck with each other.

[Jarvis Landry]

No, I told her, listen, trust me, I get it. Right?

[Leonard Fournette]

I get it.

[Jarvis Landry]

And for the most part back then, you know, when Drew was there, him and Matt Ryan, that was back and forth all the time, you know what I mean? About who gonna make the playoffs, who gonna win the division. So it's definitely something that I didn't grow up a Saints fan, but, like, the more they won, you grew to love it. Yeah. The more I was like, okay, yeah, I like the Saints. I like Drew Brees, you know, Devere Henderson, you know, all our LSU guys out there playing.

[Leonard Fournette]

But even the time we played when you. Your first year there, that shit was crazy. It was so loud in there, man,

[Jarvis Landry]

and it was beefing hard.

[Leonard Fournette]

Oh, yeah. We started fighting and everything.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

So it's like, that's one of the rivalries I love. Like, you know what I'm saying? From me being there and getting to play against my hometown, my city. No, it's nothing like it.

[Jarvis Landry]

Lenny, you played for two teams.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah.

[Jarvis Landry]

I gotta know, what team was your favorite? What team? Obviously, you won the super bowl, so I guess I'm asking a loaded question.

[Leonard Fournette]

My first year in Jacksonville looked like was probably more memorable playing with those guys. Jalen. But my favorite team of all time, Playwood, was Tampa. It had to be Tampa, bro.

[Jarvis Landry]

Really? I mean, you won the super bowl with these guys.

[Leonard Fournette]

See, it's not the Super Bowl. It's the guys that was in the locker room. Right? Fire, bruh. Brother, I swear to God. You had a guy like AB, right? He come here, full Versace linen suit, it's 7:30 in the morning. I'm like, what's up? I'm like, damn, bitch, you just came from the club. You like, you know, you gotta look good, play good. How you be talking? I'm like, you wild. Yeah. He had the Versace cologne, and he was one of the first guys I seen with the Maserati truck.

[Jarvis Landry]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Leonard Fournette]

He had a great one.

[Jarvis Landry]

Killing it.

[Leonard Fournette]

So AB Coming up, popping it. Yeah. Know what I'm saying? But that team, bruh, for any young guy who was going through any scenario in life.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

And we used to have something called, like, the sign of talks and everything. Yep. That was probably the best group of guys to be around, right?

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah. I mean, y' all had great leaders. Y' all had Tom Brady.

[Leonard Fournette]

Listen, I was going through, you know, child support thing. And this Earned my respect from Tom Brady even more.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

He like, yeah, man, I hate that shit. That shit is aggravating. I'm like, I remember at that lock, I called mom like, look, you know, I thought I had it bad, you know, TB or child support. So it's like every month it's like, damn, bro. Like, it's great, guys, bro. It's great guys, bruh. And I had the opportunity. I know people give all the praise to tb, but one of the two of my best teammates I had Robbie G. Big Robbie and Lamichael. That's what I called Michael. I called Michael Evans. Lamichael. Lamichael was always the same. LaMichael's always the same. He loved his community. He hates LSU. I'm letting you know that now. And it's like just being with those group of guys, bruh. And I can't forget Sue.

[Jarvis Landry]

Sue. I play with sue in Miami.

[Leonard Fournette]

You know what I'm saying? Sue, like the. He knows everything, bro.

[Jarvis Landry]

Wild story. When sue got traded, I think he got traded to Miami from Detroit. And at this time, he was, like, stepping on people and, like, kicking people in the head and all kind of, you know, whatever.

[Leonard Fournette]

Listen, he's a nice guy, bro.

[Jarvis Landry]

He's the best, Sue. The best. Literally one of the best teammates I ever had. And I remember him coming into the facility, and he was, like, quiet. And I ain't gonna lie. And he big.

[Leonard Fournette]

He's a big motherfucker.

[Jarvis Landry]

And I wasn't scared of him, but I was just like, yeah, he's a big motherfucker, man. Should I talk to him? Should I say what's up? Should I not say what's up?

[Leonard Fournette]

He has an angry demeanor, bro.

[Jarvis Landry]

His aura is very dark.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah, but he a good dude.

[Jarvis Landry]

I don't know how to explain it once you know him, you know him type of thing, but I remember we all working out. He never worked out with the team.

[Leonard Fournette]

He do his own thing, bro. He did it in Tampa.

[Jarvis Landry]

He got his own doctors bike, you

[Leonard Fournette]

know what I'm saying?

[Jarvis Landry]

His own trainers. He got his own bike. He drank his own water on his own food. I'm like, damn. He ain't trying to be in the system at all.

[Leonard Fournette]

Big gal.

[Jarvis Landry]

He doing him, bro, Doing his thing. Then go out on the field and ball, man. Sue is a great leader, man, on and off the field. I had a good time with sue, too, bro.

[Leonard Fournette]

And the crazy thing is, when I was in Jacksonville, you know, I called all the protections, even though we had a quarterback and stuff like that, made sure he was still young and figuring it out after being like, all right, we gonna. All right, file down him. Make him the mic. Make him. Da, da, da, da. She be like, damn, you call the protection, too, man, you too good. You need to get your ass from out there. They gonna kill you.

[Jarvis Landry]

And I was like.

[Leonard Fournette]

And now fast forward to going and being on the team with him, bro. He's one of the. He's one of the best guys to be with, bro.

[Jarvis Landry]

Bro, you know what? He had lived a full athlete cycle of, like, you know, and, you know, he was bringing Warren Buffett to practice in Miami. And I think Warren Buffett and Mr. Ross are, like, best friends. So it was like this synergy there. Like, you know, he leads the practice field, bro. He lead a practice field and go have dinner with Warren Buffett.

[Leonard Fournette]

Like, he's connected, bro.

[Jarvis Landry]

Like, we supposed to be in film right now.

[Leonard Fournette]

He's connected. And another guy who I think. Who doesn't get enough praise, you know. TB12, bro. I remember when we was working on Miami, you was asking us, like, you know, do y' all get together and throw? I'm like, yeah, we practice at the Yankees baseball stadium.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

You know, we throw here. Yeah. We throw here and there, you know, just to get the timing right, to get back where we needed to be. And you asked me, like, man, like, how it is working with him? Like, bro, it's great. Like, I always. I told you, like, the year we won the Super Bowl.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

He knew every fucking thing.

[Jarvis Landry]

Everything. Every fucking thing when it was happening before it happened.

[Leonard Fournette]

So we have offensive meeting, then we got the players meeting.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

Lenny, expect the ball. I'm gonna throw it to you like, 12 times before the game. No, no, this a Friday. This a Friday.

[Jarvis Landry]

Oh, my goodness.

[Leonard Fournette]

He let you know what it is,

[Jarvis Landry]

and, man, I always wanted to play with tb, bruh.

[Leonard Fournette]

I think it made it much more easy for him. Cause, like, I mean, we're not like, how the guys was at the Patriots. Right, right, right. You know, they were. They were. They were. They was good, right?

[Jarvis Landry]

It was good.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah.

[Jarvis Landry]

But, you know, they had personality.

[Leonard Fournette]

We was talented, right? So we made it easy for him. And I think the reason why he respected me so much, I didn't treat him like Tom Brady. I treat him like my teammate. Yep. So when I see him, like, especially in a game when he scrambled, I'm like, bro, get your fucking old ass down the ball. Somebody. Come on, bro. You get hurt.

[Jarvis Landry]

We done.

[Leonard Fournette]

You get hurt.

[Jarvis Landry]

Who was y' all backup quarterback, by the way?

[Leonard Fournette]

Blaine Blaine. Was Blaine. Blaine Gabbard throwing that thing? Blaine Gabbard, Yes. Could throw it.

[Jarvis Landry]

Interesting.

[Leonard Fournette]

Could throw it.

[Jarvis Landry]

So you still had his ring sitting on this table?

[Leonard Fournette]

If I don't know.

[Jarvis Landry]

All right.

[Leonard Fournette]

That's all I wanted to know. I don't know. But Blaine had. Has a arm.

[Jarvis Landry]

Nah, I like Bland. He was in New Orleans.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah, he has an arm, so it's like. And. And people love TB soap, bro. Listen, what's. What's his name? Gardner.

[Jarvis Landry]

Cj? Cj Sauce Gardner. That's no cj. Yeah, CJ Gardner Johnson.

[Leonard Fournette]

Motherfucker. So aggravating. Yeah, he's a great player, though.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

So. And this was like the. The Saints and Tampa beef really started, like.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

You know, halftime break. We just sitting there. He tried to come. He tried to come talk. And he knew. We talked about this probably a week or two weeks ago. We talked about this on his. On Twitch. He's like, man, you talk too much shit. I said, bro, we are competing, right? Like, and this for everybody. We played against. Y' all motherfuckers come from the halftime, whatever, commercial break and try to come shake Tom Han.

[Jarvis Landry]

Oh, oh.

[Leonard Fournette]

I said, I slap the fuck. I say bitch move, right? Is you doing like I said, Brady, don't touch that motherfucker head. Like, that shit could wait till after the game. But it's like, that's what made, I think, the Tampa Bay team great. The attitudes, the fights lie online. See, when LaMichael go, you know Mike Evans. LaMichael. I talk on La Michael.

[Julian Edelman]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

Oh, that route, that riles everything up.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah. No, he's a dog. But he's always. He's always. My receiver class.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah.

[Jarvis Landry]

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[Julian Edelman]

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[Leonard Fournette]

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[Jarvis Landry]

1-800- gambler. What would you say about that team? When you guys won the championship? Like, what was the biggest thing that year? That kind of like sealed the deal, right? I know y' all had a big win. You went off in Green Bay. Was it Green Bay, right? That year? Was that Green Bay?

[Leonard Fournette]

I think, bro. It's probably week 10, bro.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

Like, we had to dial it in and humble ourselves. You know, you got a guy like me who came from offense, so everything was ran through me. Guy like A.B. everything ran through A.B. and the Steelers.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yep.

[Leonard Fournette]

So it's about just understanding the bigger picture.

[Jarvis Landry]

Y' all had a lot of chess pieces on that, on the board, man.

[Leonard Fournette]

So, bro, I suppose it's being practiced, right? And, like, Tom used to be really frustrated. Like, bro, it's one fucking ball. It's like, I got all these motherfuckers, and it's like. I think it was a hard job for him, too. The. To make every. Everybody happy. And even during that time, we wasn't a running team. We ran the ball here and there, but we was a passing team first.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yep.

[Leonard Fournette]

But it'd be games. He'll tell. Like, bro, he'll just be real. Like, Lenny, you ain't getting this there, man.

[Jarvis Landry]

Are you getting 12 times?

[Leonard Fournette]

I be like, fuck, man.

[Jarvis Landry]

Blocking, hard hat.

[Leonard Fournette]

But understanding the bigger purpose of winning the championship.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah, bro.

[Leonard Fournette]

He told Mike one, Mike, you might get the ball two times this game. I like, what the price.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah. Best receiver.

[Leonard Fournette]

Who the fuck you gonna turn to? Right? Right? You and I get the ball. 13 catches.

[Jarvis Landry]

Hey, I ain't gonna lie. I hated that as a receiver. I hated seeing a running back leave a game with more catches than a receiver. Like, y' all paying us to catch the ball. And we open, and this man got 12 catches for 28 yards.

[Leonard Fournette]

But listen, I could honestly say this, right? We played. I can't. I can't. I think it was either Miami or Atlanta. I had 17 mes.

[Jarvis Landry]

So look, hey, get on this bench. Come get on this bench over here.

[Julian Edelman]

Come.

[Jarvis Landry]

You gonna sit next to me till you get it right.

[Leonard Fournette]

BA Put it up right. We in the meetings, bro. All my teammates could tell you this. It was 17 of them, and big, you know, hard nose, like, what the fuck you doing, right? Coach, I'm trying to make a play. You know what I'm saying? Just trying to make a play.

[Jarvis Landry]

Oh, you went rogue.

[Leonard Fournette]

Did I? Like fucking Mission Impossible out there. And it's like. But also some of the shit, like, you know, Tom will tell me do. And, yeah, they don't give me Emmy for. Cause I'm running the wrong route. But he told you I ain't ratting. You know what I'm saying? I ain't whistleblowing like this. This. My. This. This. You hear me? This is my quarterback.

[Jarvis Landry]

So he wouldn't cover for your meetings.

[Leonard Fournette]

I don't care about all that. Bro.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah. Y' all winning. We won.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah, it's good plays, Coach. You gonna find me, you know, Trump's not finding me. A hundred dollars. You know, you fucking up all. You know, get on your ass. I didn't care. Like, my every. Every one of my teammates knew. I don't care. Long as we win, I'm cool.

[Jarvis Landry]

I feel you.

[Leonard Fournette]

And that's. And that's what we was on.

[Jarvis Landry]

Well, look, we got some breaking news. Mike Evans just signed with The San Francisco 49ers. Three year deal. I don't have all the terms yet. 60 M's at 35. 34. 34 years old. 60 M's.

[Leonard Fournette]

Oh, my God.

[Jarvis Landry]

Hall of Famer.

[Leonard Fournette]

Hey, bro, I think Jerry Rice has something to do with that. Hey, you think about the consistent. Hey, listen, hold up. Before we get to Jerry rice, bro, that's three years. Six.

[Jarvis Landry]

Three years 60.

[Leonard Fournette]

Tampa. Why. Why would y' all give this man the option to go exploring knowing people are gonna want him?

[Jarvis Landry]

Honestly, he was the best thing that happened to Temple.

[Leonard Fournette]

He was a. He was the pioneer there, bro.

[Jarvis Landry]

Since the. Since the beginning.

[Leonard Fournette]

He was the face.

[Jarvis Landry]

He was. He was. You know what, my brother? I. Look, I. I embarked on a free agency journey as well. Got released and the whole thing. But at the same time, bro, you going to get paid. You going to a new city, start over. You know, hopefully that give you some more youth. Youthness back. You feel me?

[Leonard Fournette]

Facts.

[Jarvis Landry]

Getting some lighter air, you know, man, and you with the goat up there, you know who's around. Lynch also, who's the GM there. So I think they treat their players well. From everything that I've heard, Brock Purdy, you a lucky man today, man.

[Leonard Fournette]

But Michael, first of all, this is a sad day for Tampa because I know they going crazy. The fans listen. They.

[Jarvis Landry]

But this news is this. This is not new news that they were.

[Leonard Fournette]

They were playing each other, but I

[Jarvis Landry]

didn't think that they would actually let him go.

[Leonard Fournette]

The Bucs wanted him. That's why I said why. They gave him a chance to explore. I would have just. I would have just gave him whatever right then and there.

[Jarvis Landry]

Really?

[Leonard Fournette]

Yes.

[Jarvis Landry]

So you don't think the Bucks put themselves in a favorable position to even be able to match the deal that he wanted? Or do you think that. Or did Mike Evans say, you know what, Tampa, I gave it all and I'm done.

[Leonard Fournette]

I think it was time for. It's a new scheme, a new everything for him. Right? I'm happy as hell for Mike. Cause he deserves it. Right? Works his Ass off. Don't complain. He understands the football side and business side. Right. He's a hard worker. He's a community leader, man. Bro. He does so much in that community in Tampa, and I know for a fact they would truly miss him. Right. I just hate that the Bucs didn't offer him something earlier, right out the gate just to stay. And I'm not sure how the Bucs season would go without that young man.

[Jarvis Landry]

Well, I like the young kid that you guys have, Chris Godwin. We'll see what happens there.

[Leonard Fournette]

Right. And I'm afraid they might let go of Chris just off the strength of wide injury history.

[Jarvis Landry]

I understand that.

[Leonard Fournette]

You know what I'm saying, like, And Chris is a great guy. Yeah. But we talking about business now, you know, longevity, you know, you think about the young guy they got now, number two. He's. He's all right.

[Jarvis Landry]

He nice.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah, he's all right. You know what I'm saying?

[Jarvis Landry]

Tez Johnson.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah, we work out together out there.

[Jarvis Landry]

Taz Johnson.

[Leonard Fournette]

Nah, number two from Ohio State.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he nice.

[Leonard Fournette]

We work out together out there in Tampa at U. Morphy spot. My trainer, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, now, who you gonna get to replace that? Like, Chris is consistent. He holds the record for the most catches in the game. 17, 16, 18, whatever the case may be. It's hard. Yeah, it's hard finding players like that. Yeah.

[Jarvis Landry]

Listen, I played with Baker out in Cleveland.

[Leonard Fournette]

We had.

[Jarvis Landry]

Me, myself, Odell, we had a backfield as well.

[Leonard Fournette]

Right.

[Jarvis Landry]

I would say the best thing for Baker, man, is to be able to be able to throw the football, to be able to do play action, pass, mix it up, do some different schemes here and there. So it'd be interesting to see how they draft. Maybe that's a sign to tell you what they're going to go after in the draft. There's a couple receivers out there that I know, but, man, Mike Evans, bro. Happy for you, man. Proud of you, bromichael. Hella hell of a. Hell of a career so far, man. Keep that going, man. You and Tay, I think the only two left that's holding it down for the 2014 class, man. So keep going, man. Congratulations, brother.

[Leonard Fournette]

That's when you guys raped it.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah, 2014, bro.

[Leonard Fournette]

When I graduated high school. Damn, damn, damn. Hey, bro, times fly.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah, it does fly, man. It does fly. Breaking news. Travis Etienne just signed with the Saints. How you feel about that? One running back to another.

[Leonard Fournette]

I mean, good for him, you know, Is he.

[Jarvis Landry]

Would you Consider him top five running back, top ten running back. Like, where is he in your.

[Leonard Fournette]

I'm not sure. Cause I don't watch the game.

[Jarvis Landry]

You don't watch Jacksonville no more?

[Leonard Fournette]

Nah, nah, nah. It's nothing against Jacksonville, right? It's just. And I wish it would have worked out when I was there, right? But I can tell you, man, I had this. Me and Doug Marone, man, we had a little history, right? We just didn't see eye to eye, you know, he was a great guy, but, you know, some things just happened. So my years there, we had a situation right in the season. What situation? That's a real situation. So he wanted me to come back for pictures. And I about to have my child to be born. I'm like, man, listen, bro, I'm not coming back for no date.

[Jarvis Landry]

For teen photos.

[Leonard Fournette]

For a teen photo. I'm like, just put me in there like that don't make no sense.

[Jarvis Landry]

Photoshop me facts.

[Leonard Fournette]

All this AI shit going on. Put me in there, brother. Don't do me that. So, long story short, come back after I buy whatever. We get back Monday. He said, look, I'm suspending you.

[Jarvis Landry]

Oh, wow.

[Leonard Fournette]

I'm like. I'm like. Over a picture, he's like, well, we're not trying to make no one bigger than no one on this team. You know, we gonna hold you accountable.

[Jarvis Landry]

Nobody come to see you, Otis.

[Leonard Fournette]

So I'm like, all right, cool. So you know when you suspended, you're supposed to be at the crib. Yeah, they made me stay there the whole week watching practice. So, like, I'm hot now. Like, right?

[Jarvis Landry]

Alienated you?

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah, yeah, for sure. But at the time, I was young. You know what I'm saying? That's why I tell the young guys, every young guy knows that I run into. Handle the business first. The business side of football. Cause it's two different things people don't understand, especially these fans. There's the football side and the business side. So we get into the off season, you know, we. I think we just tanking, bro. We got rid of Jalen Ramsey, Kelez Campbell, Malik Jackson, Yannick. But we got rid of everybody. So it's like, I posted a meme. It was Will Smith in the house, looking at everybody. Looking at everybody leaving. And I was like, damn, bro. No Miles Jack. No. Telvin Smith. Yep. Great players, excellent players. And I came back in shape, Tip top shape, you know what I'm saying? And it's so funny that this business could change you or try to change you, but you gotta stay True to who you are, you know, One of the greatest owners. Best owner I've had in the football. Rashad Khan, man. Great man. He loves his team. He loves the guys he picks for Jacksonville, and I'll never forget that. There's a meeting we had Thursday. Thursday night. Yep. You know, went up to his office. He was like, man, how you feel about Doug Marron? I'm like. I'm like, damn. You know what that means? So I'm like, just me being who I am. I've been to Coach Doug House, met his kids, his family. I'm like, nah, keep him. Yup. I'm like, keep him.

[Jarvis Landry]

He temperature checked, you say keep him.

[Leonard Fournette]

I'm like, keep him. Yup. He was like, why? You know, I gave my reasons of why, but. And they kept him, so. But when it came to me, they kicked my ass to the curve. And that shit. That shit really made me. That shit made me feel away, like, you know, this game is not loyal to you. You know, and it almost changed the dynamic of the guy, the person I was raised. Brought up to be. And I. And somehow, some way, I didn't let it affect me.

[Jarvis Landry]

So do you think, looking back at it, that you handled the situation the right way with, you know, was your daughter boring at that time or shit?

[Leonard Fournette]

One of them,

[Jarvis Landry]

yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

Right, right.

[Jarvis Landry]

How many kids you got?

[Leonard Fournette]

Got five.

[Jarvis Landry]

Five kids, Right. Your son, your daughter was born. You missed team pictures.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah.

[Jarvis Landry]

You came back. He essentially punished you for it.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah. Then no, look, this thing, I'm like, all right, cool. I'm walking out. He grabbed me on the shoulder. I had to hold up coat. Right. Like, I fuck with you, you put

[Jarvis Landry]

his paws on him.

[Leonard Fournette]

I said, of course I fuck with you. Yeah, yeah. Oh, baby. No, man. Golly. But nah, nah, bro.

[Jarvis Landry]

And then you went up in there and stood up for him with the gm.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah.

[Jarvis Landry]

And next day, next week, two weeks out there, you were so.

[Leonard Fournette]

You know, I've never experienced that shit. So it's like, shout out to Marcus Pollard. You know my guy. You know, he's the players guy over there in Jacksonville. He's on the gate looking style, like, coach won't talk to you. But I'm thinking. I'm like. I'm thinking, because I made us practice. I did the rally walk. Black Lives Matter walk.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yep.

[Leonard Fournette]

And a lot of guys was complaining, man, we should go protest. Like, bro, listen, we did the walk already.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yep.

[Leonard Fournette]

Let's go practice. Let's go get better. Like, we did it. It's over with. Right. I'm not trying to miss no more days of practice. Right. Like, we got a season coming up. So I made us practice. We took a vote. We voted to practice. So I'm thinking that's what he's calling me, leading. Yeah. I'm like, I. Coming out, I'm excited, like, you know, yeah, Leonard, we're gonna let you go. I'm like, what the fuck? Look, part of me, I wanna jump up and kick the fuck out of him. Like, I'm being real. I wanted to jump up and kick coach, bro. But it's like, now it goes back to watch what you asked for, too.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

I'm seeing all these great guys leaving. I'm like, God, give me out this. Give me out this.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

But God got me out there in a way I didn't expect. Yeah. So I got released. He said this is exactly where they couldn't find no picks for me. In my mind was bullshit.

[Jarvis Landry]

Right.

[Leonard Fournette]

You know what I'm saying? I had one of the best coaches I've been around. Terry Rubisky, of course, he's one of the first guys at lsu.

[Jarvis Landry]

He was an Atlanta guy, too.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah. I broke all his records. Coach ubc. That's my bad, bro. I broke all your records at lsu. But it's like, in his heart, he felt like they was trying to blackball me. Damn.

[Jarvis Landry]

Damn.

[Leonard Fournette]

You know what I'm saying?

[Jarvis Landry]

So you left there, right? Did you keep an eye on Jacksonville? Have you been, you know, now even now, like, how do you feel about the program? Do you feel like, obviously, as a team that's drafted you, so you gotta have a little bit love, you got something left in the tank for him?

[Leonard Fournette]

I don't really watch them.

[Jarvis Landry]

You don't watch them at all?

[Leonard Fournette]

I don't watch them.

[Jarvis Landry]

Nothing? Nothing. No Trevor Lawrence?

[Leonard Fournette]

Nah. Nah. Nothing, bro. So it's like I moved on my life, like, yeah, they drafted me and everything. You know what I'm saying? But at the end of the day, you know, it is a business. You gotta. You have to grow. You have to go. And that's what I did. And I can say, honestly say, one of my hardest years in football was that transitioning from Jacksonville to Tampa because I got released two weeks before the season started.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

So I had to learn this whole playbook all over again. And in my mind, I'm still. I was still mad. Like, I'm not starting right now, you know? And that's the hardest part to understand. Like, you've been a starter your whole life to go to plan behind somebody Bro, I swear to God. Ronald Jones, bro. My dog. And Ronald knew this. He'll fumble. You like, oh, about to get in that bitch. I'm about to cut up. He break it for 90 next play, brother. I put the hood over my head,

[Jarvis Landry]

crying back to the sideline.

[Leonard Fournette]

I ain't gonna never see the. I'm not gonna never see the film, but God worked it out for me, man. Wound up being a Super bowl champion that year. You know what I'm saying? Super bowl champion that year. So I can't complain, man. Everything happened how it's supposed to happen.

[Jarvis Landry]

That's awesome, man. I feel like as your position has evolved over the years, right. You see guys like Alvin Kamara, Christian McCaffrey. We just dropped the news with Travis Etienne signing New Orleans guys who caught the ball off the backfield. You caught the ball very well in Jacksonville. You always have, obviously. I feel like you almost damn near led the team in Tampa Bay almost the super bowl year. Right?

[Leonard Fournette]

Right.

[Jarvis Landry]

So, like, I feel like if you had to, like, rate maybe your best top 10 top five running backs right now, like, who would that be? No order.

[Leonard Fournette]

I'm say Quan.

[Jarvis Landry]

Who's Quan? So just for people that don't, you know, Mr. Barkley. Yeah. Okay.

[Leonard Fournette]

Mr. 2000.

[Jarvis Landry]

Quan Barkley. Okay.

[Leonard Fournette]

Derek. Of course, his big ass.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

Christian McCaffrey. Only one Christian I know. CMC.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

My guy. Same class, too. Who else? Dope. Yeah. You know, same class. I was number four overall. He was number eight overall. Yeah, that's dope.

[Jarvis Landry]

I ain't know that.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I was the first person to sell out a ball game, so

[Jarvis Landry]

I didn't know that. Really? Yeah, really?

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jarvis Landry]

What was that like? I'm sure you took some heat for that.

[Leonard Fournette]

Oh, definitely. So when I did it, Christian DMed me on Twitter, you know, he's like, hey, man, I want to read your mind, let you know. I said, bro, you want to know why the fuck I'm sitting out? Just say that. Don't come with this Stanford shit, talking about reading my mind and everything. And I gave him my reason. I'm like, man, listen, I got a son. I got a son and a daughter. You know, at the time, there's no nil, so you're not getting paid. So you're going out there free, willingly, every Saturday in that valley, playing with a high, low ankle sprain.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yep.

[Leonard Fournette]

And my tickets already punched. I had a top five draft pick. They already came.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yep.

[Leonard Fournette]

I'm like, listen, coach, I can't. It's over with.

[Jarvis Landry]

Who was the coach at the time? Was it Moldron Ojaeron?

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah.

[Jarvis Landry]

I feel like Ogeron, an og. So I'm sure he was kind of like, leonard.

[Leonard Fournette]

Leonard.

[Jarvis Landry]

Look, I understand.

[Leonard Fournette]

I feel like. Yeah. But he was like, man, it's about the. No, his whole thing was about the team. I'm like, coach, I gave y' all everything I had for these two and a half, three years. Like, we lost. You know what I'm saying? We had a promising future with all these. We had so many people on that team. So many guys on that team. So it's like now when you put you first, they was on my ass.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

Like when I went into NFL draft meetings and everything for the combine and everything.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

Do you love football? Da, da, da, da, da, da, da.

[Jarvis Landry]

All because you set out.

[Leonard Fournette]

All because I set out. So now it's like, you see the guys doing it now. I was like, I'm a pioneer. Like, I started this shit. I started this shit. And I'm happy for the guys that's making the decision. And in some cases, it's great. Look at Jamar Chase.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

Just signed a big contract, who's still gonna do tremendous things. And he's a New Orleans guy, my brother. You know what I'm saying? Also LSU guy. You heard me doing his thing. So it's like, in some sense, it makes sense for some guys, and you gotta have a reason why you're doing it.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah. I think the college football space has changed so much. And you talked about nil. I think, like, I think if I had to give you a dollar amount, Nil.

[Leonard Fournette]

What you think? What you think?

[Jarvis Landry]

I'm gonna say, like, 15 mil? Am I over or under? I don't know what you actually got paid.

[Leonard Fournette]

I don't.

[Jarvis Landry]

Oh, hell,

[Leonard Fournette]

I don't know. You know, Martin said, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. Right, Right. That's some. Listen, I don't know. Cause I value myself. I look at us when we played, half of the kids not there. Aight. You know what I'm saying? I don't think it would have made it back in the times we played.

[Jarvis Landry]

It was definitely tougher.

[Leonard Fournette]

I'm just being. It was tougher. You had to be mentally on it. Right. So I would say if they had nil when I was playing, I probably would have stayed in college four years if I'm making 12 to 15 million dollars a year. Right, Right. Yeah. And I can still be a kid, a young man.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

You know, I'm married right now, so Excuse my language. B. When you see this, all the buns around, like, come on, bro, I'm just being real. Like, I'm being real.

[Jarvis Landry]

You tricking.

[Leonard Fournette]

You tricking. What I would have. Oh, my God. So you know.

[Jarvis Landry]

Oh, my God.

[Leonard Fournette]

Back in that. Back in them days, you know, it wasn't Chanel. You was getting Michael Kors. Mcl.

[Jarvis Landry]

I had a Michael Kors.

[Leonard Fournette]

You know what I'm saying? Like, bust down microphone.

[Jarvis Landry]

Michael Kors.

[Leonard Fournette]

The trigger would have been a little cheaper. I spent 800 on you popping it. This guy, listen. So, hey, bro, like I tell kids now, bro, enjoy. Enjoy being a kid. Right? Cause. And also, I think Nil is fucking the game up, too.

[Jarvis Landry]

Why?

[Leonard Fournette]

I just feel like back in our times when someone was better than you, you cannot leave. You have to be there, and you have to stay there and compete with them. These guys.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah, they outta there.

[Leonard Fournette]

They leaving.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah, they outta there, they leaving.

[Leonard Fournette]

So it's like.

[Jarvis Landry]

But, but sorry to cut you off. Wouldn't you say that's a business decision? Wouldn't, Wouldn't, would. You talking about business and you talking about sports.

[Leonard Fournette]

Right.

[Jarvis Landry]

Wouldn't you say it's a business decision if I'm behind Leonard Fournette, and I know I'm not about to get in the game until. And I ain't got no more red shirt, no nothing. I ain't getting in the game. Why would I stay when I can go play at Ole Miss and get to.

[Leonard Fournette]

If he's better, he's better, that's fine. But understand this, Leonard Fournette, I didn't start the full game my freshman year at full games at lsu, I had to wait.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah. Because I mean, again, we talk about

[Leonard Fournette]

the game of the speed was different. You coming from high school to college, picking up blocks. Who the fuck doing that in high school?

[Jarvis Landry]

Not many people.

[Leonard Fournette]

That's what I'm saying. So I think in some sense it's good for certain people. Like you. Look at Baker Mayfield.

[Jarvis Landry]

Okay.

[Leonard Fournette]

Right? Yep. I just feel like, personally, you're running away from challenges and it's not gonna help you in the NFL.

[Jarvis Landry]

So I think prime example of that this year was Carson Beck.

[Leonard Fournette]

Right? Right.

[Jarvis Landry]

Carson Beck leaves. I want to say Georgia, but he

[Leonard Fournette]

did great at Georgia. Right.

[Jarvis Landry]

But then he comes here first year.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yes.

[Jarvis Landry]

Natty. True ACC champions.

[Leonard Fournette]

True business decision.

[Jarvis Landry]

Or was it just a football move

[Leonard Fournette]

that he shouldn't have made? I'm just saying this, right? And I'm not saying it was a business decision. Or was it a good or bad move? I'm just saying it's not gonna help you in the NFL. Cause once you're on that team, you can't. You're not. All right. If he's better than you, he's better than you.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

You have to find ways to compete, find ways to get better.

[Jarvis Landry]

Okay, I get it. I get it. So you feel like it's stripping away the competitive nature, the competitive rise of. Of players? Well, again, you know, the cream always rise to the top. So always, either at some point in college or in the NFL, we gonna. We gonna have that. They gonna have that realization. Yeah. And again, I wish them the best. I hope they make as much money as possible in college and in the NFL. But I want to take it back to the ATN thing. Signing back in New Orleans. Do you feel like he helps the backfield there? What do you feel like is the Kamar question that everybody is probably going to ask now, Right? Is he gone? Is he staying? How do you feel about that?

[Leonard Fournette]

I don't know. I feel like AK brings a different aspect to the game.

[Jarvis Landry]

Like what?

[Leonard Fournette]

Receiving? To me, he's a better receiver back than E. For sure. You've seen it and you've seen when the Saints were at a high level, who they went through. Yeah, they went through AK Yes. He's older now. Do I still think he has gas in the tank? Of course.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

I believe he's fresh. I believe even if it's not the Saints, I know he wants to stay there. Sometimes new looks is better for you.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah. Okay, let's. Let's just say, hypothetically, you think they make a good one, two punch or is a situation where it has to be one or the other?

[Leonard Fournette]

See, I'm old school because there's a

[Jarvis Landry]

lot of running backs over there.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah, I'm old school. So you got to ask AK That. I'm going to ask AK That.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah, we got to bring him on the show.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah, I got to bring him on the show.

[Jarvis Landry]

AK if you look at. Man, we want to hear. I know you training in Florida, man, somewhere with Swayze right now. We need to get you on the show, man, so we can hear what you're thinking, what your plans are, maybe break some news.

[Leonard Fournette]

For sure. But selfishly, I'm speaking for me.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

And I know the game has changed. I've always been a guy that took the load. When I was in Jacksonville, I played 96% of the time.

[Jarvis Landry]

You gotta pause that, man. I ain't gonna lie. That's the first one of the show, ladies and gentlemen, that's the first pause of the 2026 Fourth and South Show.

[Leonard Fournette]

Y' all see where this fucking man mine at, though.

[Jarvis Landry]

He gonna take the.

[Leonard Fournette]

The workload. That's better, man.

[Jarvis Landry]

What kind of work?

[Leonard Fournette]

The workload on the fucking field, bro.

[Jarvis Landry]

In 2026. Now we gotta be. I know we got all kind of AI tools out there.

[Leonard Fournette]

My train gonna see this, bro. Why you doing all this?

[Jarvis Landry]

I just heard load and I stopped hearing everything. And I stopped hearing everything.

[Leonard Fournette]

Nah, I think just the workload on offense. Right. I played 80, 98% of the snaps.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

And sometimes you do feel it. You do feel the. It's a long season. Yeah, it's a long season. Right. So the dynamic of the game has changed so much. Like, you do need two backs, right. So I believe they work well. Cause E is, you know, he's like a power back. Yep. You know, AKA finesse. You know, like he's elusive, catching the ball, getting out of the backfield. So I hope to work out in their favor.

[Jarvis Landry]

So would you rate this pickup A, B, C?

[Leonard Fournette]

I give it A. I'll give it A.

[Jarvis Landry]

They do have a young quarterback.

[Leonard Fournette]

I know. That's what I'm saying. I'll probably give it a C. A

[Jarvis Landry]

C, A C or a B, man, that ain't good.

[Leonard Fournette]

Right. You gotta think about the line, the young quarterback, like.

[Jarvis Landry]

But that's why you bring in a running back.

[Leonard Fournette]

That's different.

[Jarvis Landry]

But it's different though, if you manage the game.

[Leonard Fournette]

But understand this though, receiver.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

Y' all depend on one person, quarterback.

[Jarvis Landry]

That's true.

[Leonard Fournette]

And he's young running back. We depend on what the O line.

[Jarvis Landry]

Everybody, Everybody, everybody, everybody. Again, I don't know how it works out. I think it's a good pick. I'm going to give it a B plus. And if they decide to keep a lave, which I've seen some rumors that they have a lave also on the trading block. I don't think they could afford to lose a lave. But at the same time, if you know they're going to continue this tanking ship, you know what I mean? Get as many pics as y' all can to put the city back on top, please.

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[Leonard Fournette]

Shout out to the Saints, baby, please.

[Jarvis Landry]

All right, this next segment, Lenny's Locks, sponsored by Hard Rock bet. Who you got winning AFC this year?

[Leonard Fournette]

Afc. I gotta go with Kansas City, right? Kenny Walker, running back, great pickup. I think Mahomes is gonna come back with vengeance. Andy Reid is a great coach, Right. First time in the last couple years they had a bad season. Travis Kelce came back. Yep. Hey, bro. Sky's the limit for that squad.

[Jarvis Landry]

Writing in the wall over there, it sounds like. What about nfc? NFC champions?

[Leonard Fournette]

The Rams?

[Jarvis Landry]

The Rams.

[Leonard Fournette]

The Rams.

[Jarvis Landry]

They're dark hearts over there.

[Leonard Fournette]

Stafford, Mr. No, look, I understand. I don't know if Devontae's gonna sign back, which I think. I think he is. I think he is. They gonna do right by him. Running back is right. Williams, 23. They have a lot going on over there.

[Jarvis Landry]

I don't know. They had their hands full last year with Seattle. So moving on, super bowl champion, you got to win it at all next year.

[Leonard Fournette]

I think Pat Mahomes is. I'm telling you, mark my words. I think Pat's going to come back and do his thing, man.

[Jarvis Landry]

All right, so we got your NFC pick, we have your AFC pick, even your super bowl prediction. What's Lenny's long shot?

[Leonard Fournette]

Lenny's long shot is the Chicago Bears. The quarterback talent they have there. The young guys at wide receiver. The coach, Coach Johnson, who I think is going to. We turned a lot of heads this year. He had a great season last year. He did. I think the organization is turning around. You know, they're finding ways to keep their key guys. And also who's ever over there that's drafting drafted some hell of a picks. So my long shot is the Chicago Bears.

[Jarvis Landry]

And that's Lenny's Locks sponsored by Hard Rock bet.

[Leonard Fournette]

We talking about releasing Kyler Murray. I had an opportunity to meet him one time in la. Yeah, A cool, cool dude, man. He's very quiet.

[Jarvis Landry]

He A gamer, too.

[Leonard Fournette]

He liked to play. He played Call of Duty like me. Yeah, he's definitely a Call of Duty guy, but I didn't realize how short he was.

[Jarvis Landry]

Oh, he's sharp. He's like 5, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6. 5, 6, 6, 7.

[Leonard Fournette]

And I'm just trying to just, 6, 7, shout out to my kids, 6, 7. And just. Bro, just think about that, bro.

[Jarvis Landry]

And.

[Leonard Fournette]

And I play with quarterbacks who are a lot taller and things like that. And I know he got released. Do you think that played a big part on his release? Like his height? And I know he's a scrambler, you know what I'm saying? And he's fast as hell, but you gotta have more than that.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah, listen, he created some magic out in Arizona. Boy, listen, I love what you did with D Hop. You know, I think the time. I think the clock just ran out. I think he has a lot of talent. Extremely talented. Him and Cliff Kingsbury, I think, at the time, were dialing it up, you know, and it's just like any marriage, right? Like in the NFL, when your OC leaves or your quarterback coach leaves, you know, you kind of start to see the chinks in the armor, right? When somebody else has to step in and call plays and get to know you again. And I think it's tougher at that position, right, to kind of build that rapport with someone else. But I think he had a great career. I do think. Understand.

[Leonard Fournette]

Damn. It's over with.

[Jarvis Landry]

It's not over with. It's not over with.

[Leonard Fournette]

Well, damn. Let me finish, man. How you speaking.

[Jarvis Landry]

Let me finish. I hate. I think he. I think he's had a great career so far. I just think that you're right. I think the era of the undersized quarterback, right, even though they have mobility, is something that's like. We've seen kind of like leave the game a little bit.

[Leonard Fournette]

Right.

[Jarvis Landry]

Everybody's looking for the bigger arm, which he has a great arm, right. But looking for the prototype, you know, the Mendoza kid out of Indiana.

[Leonard Fournette]

Right. I think he's a. I love him.

[Jarvis Landry]

Love him.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah.

[Jarvis Landry]

Right. So. And we'll get to that. But I think. I think just that's something that we're starting to see that is kind of like leaving the game. Right? And I hope he gets picked up by a good team. Even if, you know, he's. He's a backup for another couple years. I think he's a smart enough player, I think can still make plays around the league. I don't know if he gets Your championship. And if teams are looking at it that way, then I don't know who picks him up or when he gets picked up. You know what I mean?

[Leonard Fournette]

And, you know, for me, you know, I was a two sport athlete, right? This makes me think should, should he should have stayed with baseball?

[Jarvis Landry]

No, I think he's had a. I think he's had a great career. I honestly think he's had a great career. I think he's. I think he's, you know, he hasn't had a Koston Palmer type of career. Right. He hasn't had a Larry Fitzgerald moment in Arizona.

[Leonard Fournette]

Right.

[Jarvis Landry]

But I think he still is someone that gave Arizona a push, a surge of energy, right. They had some great years. I think the Clark just ran out on him and I'm hopeful that he'll still be around. I think there's some quarterback openings. I would love to see him here in Miami.

[Leonard Fournette]

Right.

[Jarvis Landry]

I'd love to see him maybe in New York. Obviously they got the first pick, so we know where that's going.

[Leonard Fournette]

But, so, but here in Miami, like, say if that does happen and obviously they picked their guy who they wanted, does it go. Do you think he. Would he be willing to be a number two or are they gonna let them compete for it?

[Jarvis Landry]

I don't think no quarterback of his caliber and what he's done in the league probably would go to a team where he essentially has to like, compete, you know, like in. At a high. Not at a high level, but at that perspective of like, what options do

[Leonard Fournette]

he have right now, though?

[Jarvis Landry]

And maybe you're right. Maybe this will. Maybe I'm really wrong about it, but I think he's a guy that is a day one starter still in the league, right. It's just about the fit. And I don't know if there's too many out there, you know, so if I'm him, I'll wait and see. You're not about to get paid a lot, man. Go to the best situation you can get, bro.

[Leonard Fournette]

True.

[Jarvis Landry]

With some good receivers, you know, so you can air that thing out like you used to.

[Leonard Fournette]

All right, Mo, so let's talk about bro. Talk about the transition outside of football. I know for me it was hard as hell, right? That's why I kind of had to fall back off NFL. You know, you watching guys fumble the ball, knowing that, you know, drop the ball, you could be out there handling your business, but you don't get that opportunity, you know? Just tell me the dynamic of how it changed from you from playing to not playing.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah, man, it changed everything. You know, as an athlete, both of us as competitors, as an athlete, all of us out there, right, as competitors, right, that had dreams, aspirations, right? When those things are no longer in front of you, you know, you gotta figure out, like, what's next. And for some of us, unfortunately, it takes longer than others, right? But at the same time, man, it was a tough two years. It was a tough two years for me, you know what I mean? And I'm really grateful for the support system that I've had around me. Grateful for you as a brother, right? All of the late night talks, facetimes, you know what I mean? I can still remember you coming to the house when you came out here to Florida one time and you came to the house and we just chopped it up in the driveway for like 30 minutes, you know what I'm saying? You came pass on me and I was like, damn, man. And from there we kind of just kind of been building. But those two years was tough, man. Trying to figure yourself out, trying to get out into the real world, right? Where, you know, the club is not handling everything for you, you know, you're not dedicating 16, 18 hours a day to your craft, you know, so it was tough, man. I know you could speak on it as well.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah, for me, man, it was so different for me because I was still young, you know, and it was very hard for me. I'm not even gonna sit there and lie. You see guys that, you know you're better than, you know, they still getting opportunities, still getting chances to play. And bro, I tell you a funny ass, it's not much funny. This shit make you cry, right? Bro, I was working out, right? And after my workout, I used to run like a whole lap just to warm up, bro, a nigga cried a whole lap. I cried the whole lap running like, damn. Like, just asking God, like, man, make me like, find my purpose. If it's not football no more, like, just help me, right? And you know how it is. You go from when you playing, you getting multiple phone calls every day. Oh, brother, we gonna come out da da da da. We need tickets. Da da da to nobody's calling you at all. Yeah, right. And I don't care what nobody say. I think everyone has went through a depression state in their life. Yep, everyone. I did it.

[Jarvis Landry]

Me too.

[Leonard Fournette]

I'm talking about, you know, getting up out the bed 2:00 clock in the morning, going to take a ride and cry in a car, you know what I'm saying? Cause like, what Is there when you dedicated your whole life to a sport and now you can't even do it no more, right? And usually when you have life problems, football is the getaway. Now you got life problems and fucking football problems. So it's like the shit is two times harder, right? So I just think me personally, that was the best thing happened for me to guys to take that away from me. Cause I had to understand. It's the crazy thing. You go from like chasing a dream of loving football to like now it's like, all right, the money.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

Like everything about the fucking money. And it's like. And I hate that the game kind of took that away from everything, right? You go from there, like, I'm trying to get paid to like, where, man, this is my dream job.

[Jarvis Landry]

And you get to do it every day.

[Leonard Fournette]

Every day, right? And I think you kind of misconstrued and you messed up that whole concept, right? And you know, just speaking on depression, bro, you see a lot of young guys losing their lives.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yep.

[Leonard Fournette]

Like a few this year.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah, a few this year.

[Leonard Fournette]

And if you're out there, if you're going through something, bro, just understand you have family and friends that love you. Just talk to them. Just talk to them. You're not in this battle by yourself. I know several times what I felt like I was going through my situation and I felt like nobody understand me, right? Cause you know, we kind of breaking the generation curses in our family, millions of dollars, millions of dollars. And we're like the lines, you know, that everyone call upon when they have issues. But who can we call on when we have our issues, right? I just think I put everything into sports, right. Analysis wise. And when I say that that type of adversity is hard, right? And you kind of miss out on your blessings when you thinking about, oh, this could have happened or I should have did this. Everything is going to play out as

[Jarvis Landry]

it's supposed to play out, 100%. You're not in control.

[Leonard Fournette]

You're not in control of it.

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[Jarvis Landry]

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[Leonard Fournette]

Everyone goes through their trials and. And the reason why we didn't start this podcast sooner, because I was living wrong. I don't think people could admit to that. I could admit to that, right? You can hinder your own blessings. So by me fucking off, fucking around, you know? Cause guess what? When you ordained, you know what I'm saying? Favored when you favored, bro, you can't do worldly things like everybody else do. You know what I'm saying? The punishment is 10 times harsh.

[Jarvis Landry]

Would you say that the biggest part, one of the biggest parts of maybe leaving the game.

[Leonard Fournette]

Right.

[Jarvis Landry]

Is like losing the routine, right?

[Leonard Fournette]

Yes.

[Jarvis Landry]

Like losing the routine of waking up in the morning, being around your brothers.

[Leonard Fournette]

And that's another thing that being around a group of guys that understand you. Right. Who went through the same routine as you, you know, that can, like, you miss those. You miss those fucking locker room talks. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, real shit, like, that's the shit you miss and some shit you just can't get back.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

And me personally, when I think about adversity in life and like I said, now refrain everything to football. When life get hard, Right. And especially when you're trying to do right, it's hard doing the right thing every day.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

Like we was on Bible study last. Last week, you know, last Wednesday, bro. It's hard doing the right thing every single day. Yeah. And don't. Don't let it fool you. Like some. Some you have your days where, like, the devil will test you. Yeah. You know, to have you going back to thinking that was the right thing to do.

[Jarvis Landry]

He tried every day, bro.

[Leonard Fournette]

Listen, he's not gonna come 1, 2, 3. He gonna come 20 times.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

To stop you from reaching your destination. And I go back to football turns. I always tell people this. I told this to my mother the other day. I think of that type of strategy the devil uses is like football turns, you know why you finally about to reach your destination. You in the red zone, you about to score a touchdown. You say how shit get harder, get tighter. The defense is. That's what the devil do. Right. In my heart, the devil ain't want me here talking about this. If I would have kept living the way I was doing, this would never, ever, ever happen. So I had to align myself and do right, you know, not just for myself, my kids, like my family. This is a big example for my sons, that legacy, you know what I'm saying? Like, and I recently, I just got married. It's one of the. One of the biggest steps I took, and I had to do it right. You know, I've been with my girl since 10th grade in high school. And, you know, I didn't live my life. I didn't. Did the crazy things, you know what I'm saying? College phenom, high school phenom, NFL. It's time. It's time. It's time to live right, live righteous. And just to understand our purpose is bigger than football. I want you to understand that our purpose is way Bigger than football. Yes. Football opened up a lot of doors for us. Right? And this is why I'm proud to be here on 4th and south with you. Cause I know the things you were going through, similar to me, of back finding yourself, almost losing ourselves over a game. You know what I'm saying? At the end of the day, it's just a game.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah, it's just a game. That game was life to us, though, and that's the part of it that made us great. But, you know, to all that, I'll say this to you, man, I. I have a deep admiration for how you've handled this process, how you've stood up for your family, become a better man, continue to walk in your faith. You are a testimony to many of us out there beyond the screen. And I think that this show will allow you to highlight that and use the light that God has blessed you with to be able to inspire more people.

[Leonard Fournette]

Right.

[Jarvis Landry]

We talked about guys that unfortunately are no longer here with us.

[Leonard Fournette]

Right?

[Jarvis Landry]

And I think your story, stories like the one that you just told, right, and the ones that you will tell throughout this show, right, are the stories that are going to be, you know, the sparks to really bind the brotherhood together. Because, you know, it's nothing like those locker room conversations. It's nothing like, you know, it's nothing like, you know, you spending 18, 12, 14 hours with your guy, more time than you spend with your family, for sure. More time than you spend with your family.

[Leonard Fournette]

So they become your family.

[Jarvis Landry]

They become your family, right? So, man, look, I'm proud of you, man. I know I've told you this multiple times, so I guess I'm getting a chance to tell you now on camera, bro, but I'm extremely proud of you, man. You are an example for a lot of us. Even myself. I know I'm older than you, but at the same time, man, seeing you not just talk it, but walk it every day, it means a lot to a lot of people, man. So just know that we proud of you, we love you, and we always here for you. You know, listen, like, this is what this show is about, you know, it's about, you know, offering wisdom, you know, talking about our transition, helping people out there behind on the other side, Right?

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah.

[Jarvis Landry]

Figure out how they can, you know, maneuver through this crazy world that we. That we live in. Right? And I'm just so blessed that I get a chance to do it with you, my brother, in, like, for.

[Leonard Fournette]

And also, it's picking up on that, you know, DFQ don't fucking quit.

[Jarvis Landry]

Don't fucking quit.

[Leonard Fournette]

Don't fucking quit. Like, say if I gave up, you know, and still living the life I was living, we wouldn't be here, right? I didn't give up. I didn't quit.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yep.

[Leonard Fournette]

And this is what the show about. Fourth and South. Two guys from Louisiana. From the South.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yes, sir.

[Leonard Fournette]

Through and through.

[Jarvis Landry]

Born and raised.

[Leonard Fournette]

Who understands who went through adversity?

[Jarvis Landry]

Yes, sir.

[Leonard Fournette]

Brothers, fathers. You know what I'm saying? Uncles.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

You know, we everything. We everything in one.

[Jarvis Landry]

So God's plan.

[Leonard Fournette]

God's plan. This is what this show about, man. And I appreciate everybody who's gonna stay tuned. Make sure to subscribe, like, click, follow. What else? What else?

[Jarvis Landry]

Donate.

[Leonard Fournette]

Donate, man Points out here, man. I'm Leonard Fournette.

[Jarvis Landry]

Good job is Langie.

[Leonard Fournette]

Thank y'. All. Peace.

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This is Julian Edelman from Games with Names. I want to take a second to talk about something that's personal to me. I've had the privilege of working closely with Robert Kraft for a long time, and one thing I've always respected is how seriously he takes up standing up to hate. As a Jewish athlete, my identity is something I am proud of. But I also know what it feels like to be singled out for it. That's why this new commercial for the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate that aired during the big game really hit home. It's about showing up for someone when they're targeted, even if you don't have the perfect words. And sometimes standing next to someone is enough. And you can show support by sharing the Blue Square.

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