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Richard Sherman Podcast - 2013 Legion of Boom vs. 2015 No Fly Zone: Richard Sherman & TJ Ward DEBATE Seahawks-Broncos defenses
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And we're back. All off season long. We're going to give you a free agency NFL draft and everything else that's going on in this incredible NFL off season. Stick with us. Be here. Hit that sub button if you're new and also notification game so you can be notified when everything's going down. Appreciate you. Welcome back to the Richard Sherman podcast. And today we got an incredible guest. TJ Ward, former De La Salle High School, former Oregon Duck all Pro for the Cleveland Browns, former Denver Broncos. I mean, you've been everywhere. Tj, brother, appreciate you joining me.
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Hey, man, no doubt. Thanks for having me. Sharon, man, it's a pleasure. Great seeing you doing your thing on every platform, man. I'm trying to catch up, man. I'm trying to catch up.
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I appreciate you coming on, brother. I see you grinding, got your own pod, doing your thing. It's gonna be a fun discussion.
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Yeah, man, I can't wait. Always is, man. I've tell people all the time, man, we go back to college when we was battling on Rainbow Six on the PlayStation 2 back in the day, man.
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Take me back, man. We used to be growing, man.
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Good times. Good times, man. Seemed like, it seemed like forever ago, but, man, nonetheless, man, I'm glad to be here. Glad to be here. Yeah. So let's commence with the show. Let's commence with the show, man. It's been a few weeks since we've been kind of going back and forth on our opinions about our, our great defenses and, and let's get that understood first, man. We, we both played for two of the greatest defenses ever. Right? That, that's an honor and a privilege. And you, I know you feel how I feel about my defense and my secondary, and you feel how you feel about your defense and your secondary. But nonetheless, man, a handful of amazing players on both ends, but we must figure out who's number one in the debate. So.
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You're right. We gotta, we gotta figure that out. It's. It's gonna be a fun debate. I can't wait to, to, to sift through it line by line and figure it out because Leave, Leap. Leaving. And Skip just wanted to start some stuff. That's what it was. Leave. And Skip just wanted to start some nonsense.
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Yeah.
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And I said, and I love leave to death. Leave was with us on Amazon at first and then things, you know, didn't didn't situate, like, it like, they work out, but he's doing a great job with Skip. But I was like. When he. When he said it, I was like, I mean, I. I want to be with you, Lee, but everybody gonna say, I. I told somebody else this. They were like, man, he said he was better than you. He said. I said, you ain't gonna find a corner in this world that don't say they the best. Yeah, and. And rightfully so. Like, Leave was nice too. And people don't give Leave enough credit. Leave was like that. Like that. You talking about 10 pick sixes, leave Strapping. He talking crazy. If it wasn't for the off the field stuff, they would talk about Leave so much differently. And that's what I tell people all the time. Lee played at a high level, but then he said the whole. The. The. The. Hey, the secondary was better, and he would have been the best on both secondaries. And I was like, leave now, Now. Come on now. We had some guys over there. Now Leave. Yeah, we could play.
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What episode was that? Was that? I was wondering, because people was like, ask me, like, like, where did this come from? I'm like, maybe it was something on the gridiron or when we did the top. I know me and Le had did like a tik tock cut or something. We had named the top defenses, right? I had you guys at two.
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I had us at one.
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Was that it?
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Uhhuh. No, no, no, no. This was Le and Skip. And it was on. It was on their show. Their. Their show. And, you know, Skip. Skip trying to start stuff. Skip's like, you know, I. I thought. I thought you were better than Sherm. I just thought you were better, you know, like. And it's fine. But then Lee started to speak about the two secondaries and said, you know, speaking about himself and. And you know how, you know, if he had to bet, if he had to say anything, he taking him all day. Either secondary, either anybody in either secondary. I'm taking me. I'm the best player. And even on either secondary. And I was like, o. Okay, Le. Like, we. We'll go. And then he was like, no, fly zone. And what y' all did and how people would prefer to watch y'.
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All.
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And if. If. If. If he had to pick which secondary was better, he would say, y'. All. Secondary was better. And I was like, okay, Le, now I gotta say something.
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All right?
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I gotta say something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I gotta say something.
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He said, like, our defense was sexier, right?
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And.
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And I, I don't think sexier would be the word I would use. I would just be more, we were more, I would say just more in your face style, right? We, we had to play, man. We was pressing all the time. We blissed a lot. We had two of the best pass rushers ever to play the game. Demarcus Aware and, and Von Miller and, you know, pass rush and secondary goes hand in hand. You know, whoever gets the credit is, whoever get the credits, we lock shit down on the back end. You know, they get the sacks, they get the quarterback first, we get the PBUs, the interceptions, or the, just the sacks, right? So, and the sacks is, is one thing that I'm going to lend to, you know, not only just the DNS and the, in the, and the pressure, but, you know, it's a secondary stat as well, because, you know, we got to do what we got to do on the back end in a lot of occasions to make those sacks happen. So. And, you know, I like to pride myself in, in being such a great blister. And I, I mean, I had two sacks that season, you know, a few pressures, but, you know, I was always had to be accounted for in the pass rush, right? So, you know, I think we had 52 sacks that year, 52 sacks that year. Just going over the quick basis, right? You guys had, you know, points per game. You got us 14.4 or 18.5 total yards. Y' all had us 273 to 283. Our 27 takeaways to your 39, our 14 picks to Europe, 28 picks, right? Hey, when you look at that, y' all got it right? But the only thing that I, I, I would eject in those stats and, and I say, you know, how many times we had to go on the field because of our giveaways, right? You don't like to say what the offense, you know, how the offense attributes to great defense. But I have to say that, that, that matters, sir. And I have to say that matters just because it is what it is, right? It's a fact. Like when you hit the field more, when you have to play a certain style of defense to not only push opposing offenses out of scoring range, but you play a style that we have to get what we have to get right now. Like, we don't have the time to, or the, the luxury to trap offenses, right? You guys had a lot of turnovers. I'm not, we can't deny that. We can't deny that. But I feel that you guys had the luxury provided by your offense not turning the ball over. And. And I'm not trying to down our offense like that because, you know, I always say this in every interview. When we needed something from our offense, whether it was the last drive, whether it was a touchdown or first down, they came through in critical moments, so they did what they had to do in those instances. But like 31. I think it was 31 turnovers to the. To Seattle 2013. Seattle Seahawks was 19, which was the fourth fewest, and ours were the fourth. The fourth highest.
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But that's. See, that's where I'm going to go. I'll accept what you arguing, but I will. I will. I will raise you. Did you. Have you ever heard of the 2000 Baltimore Ravens?
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I have.
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You know who played quarterback for them for that?
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I do, and I'm glad you brought that up. But finish it.
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They played two guys.
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Yeah. It was Trent Dilfer, believe, right.
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At Trent Dilford for half the year and Tony Banks for half.
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Tony Banks for half the season. Yeah. Correct. Yeah.
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It wasn't not scoring a lot of points.
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Not scoring a lot of points. But what they did do. They protected the football.
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No, they did. Yeah.
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They were.
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They had 19 interceptions between them.
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They had how many interceptions?
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19.
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19 picks. But they didn't have. I think they only had four fumbles. They were like the number one in the league in protecting the football, running the ball. Right.
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Maybe. Maybe running the football, but they had 19 interceptions, so 19.
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Let's. Let's put them at 22 turnovers. I mean, that's not 31.
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This is a whole. This is a whole different league. But what I'm saying is in this. In this situation, we're saying y'. All. Y'.
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All.
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They. They had. We had 19. Y' all had 31. We also added 12 takeaways, so we gave them 12 more possessions. We gave them 12 more possessions. And. And I would. And I would. I would argue because I want to. I'm gonna clear this Ms. Noble up because I get tired of people saying, y' all just set in zone all day like that boy. At. On third down. We in, man, just like everybody else. Everybody in the National Football League, third and five, three to. To maybe seven, eight. Just about everybody playing, man, after that, it might go zone. You might go a little, you know, third and 10, plus you might go loose two, you might go three, you might go a lot of stuff. But third and five, we in man to man. We in man to man, and we played, man, just. And we Played press. And anytime you didn't have a number two to receive to your side and you got corner you and man, you and man, you got him. If he go up top, that's you. If he run a dig, that's you. If he run a slant, that's you. If he catch that rock, that's on you. But so I. I want to. I want to give that. And we were as in your face talk as anybody in the league. We. We taking a ball, talking crazy talking. I mean, in the super bowl, we was talking reckless to Payton and all them boys because we didn't like. We didn't like how they was. How they was talking in the media that week. I mean, you talk about the. I said to Crabtree in the NFC Championship, it was. And we was talking. Yeah, he was talking cash.
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Yeah.
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And we running and hitting. We running, hitting. Y' all was running and hitting, too. You and Darian, y' all was back there smacking.
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Yeah.
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Everybody know what Camden done. It's legendary. Earl was out there hitting. And then we can. We can go through the front. I wanna. I wanted to keep it in the secondary for a second, but y'. All. Y' all had the two hall of Famers up front. We had. We had Chris Clemens was. Was a great rusher. Our starters were at end were Red Bryant and Chris Clemens. Then me, Bane and some dogs right there. And Cliff Averil.
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Huh? Red and me.
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Bang.
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Some dogs, for sure.
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Big dogs. Yeah, big dogs.
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Big dogs.
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Mike B.
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And Cliff.
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The year we won the super bowl, were rotating. That was the first year they got there. They wasn't even starters yet. They didn't start till the next year. And that's what a lot of people don't understand. That's how deep the D line was. Them two dudes was probably our best rushers. I mean, our best rushers.
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Yeah.
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And they didn't even start.
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Yeah. Mean, we had, you know, Shaq Bear coming off and, And, And. And first round pick Shane Ray. Shane Ray was coming off and then, you know, inside, I think is probably our most underrated part was Derrick Wolf and Malik Jackson and Sylvester. Sylvester Williams, too, in inside there. Them three on the rotation, especially in pass R situations, I felt were, you know, three of the best interior pass rushers in the game at that point.
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Right. I agree.
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They did their thing.
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But see, that's why I get I. I get I. I kept it with the secondary for him because I was like, if we talk secondary le. This is. This is not going to be the discussion. You Think it is because I feel like we. We took the ball away at a high level. Even Byron Maxwell had four interceptions. Earl had five. I believe Cam had three. Yeah, and then I had eight.
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Yeah, I mean, Cam had. Yeah, Cam had three, Max had four, Earl had five. But you gotta. That's to the. That's to the COVID three, man. You guys always had eyes on the ball and.
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And. But. But what. What I'm saying is I. I had. I had four of them in, man. So that's what I'm saying. Like it's. I could, I could. I could listen to the COVID 3 thing, but I could say we played a lot of man too. When we needed to. When we need to really strap down, we strapped. Especially when we play in San Francisco because they didn't have no rece. Like, hey, press. Everybody press we, man. Yeah.
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They ain't had no receivers and they a had no. No quarterback. All due respect, I mean, Colin Cap, you should have seen what we did to that boy the year before.
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We. We. You know who did have a quarterback? The Broncos. They had a quarterback who set the record for touchdown passes with 55 and 5,500 or 5,300 yards. And we strapped them up too. Strapped them up.
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I think that. I think. Honestly, I think that game got out of hand early. You know, they snapped the ball over for the safety and. And your offense was scoring at will on them boys.
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It wasn't. Our offense scored like two touchdowns. Like, our offense didn't score until like the second quarter.
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The Malcolm, Malcolm, my dog mount Shout out Mouth had his interception. What was that the third quarter for the touchdown?
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Yeah, it would. It didn't get out of hand till the second half. Like it was a close game until the second half. I think it was 8 nothing until middle of the second or middle of the. And I think that might have been our first touchdown from our offense. And it was 15.
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Oh, yeah.
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Like it didn't get out of hand until late. We start punishing it, punishing them. But a lot of that game happened because we watched the tape of them boys. And I love Demarius and what he did and Decker and. And Welker and all them boys. But when we watched them on tape, people was just getting tired. Like that was the big thing from that game. Like we were watching them and watching them beat the heck out of everybody and everybody was just getting tired. They was running simple stuff. They was running like day one, day two, install of training camp. Like it wasn't like they was running some Complicated. They running drive, basic slant, flat curl, flat. Like simple stuff. TJ but everybody was, they was getting to the line quick. People trying to adjust, people trying to check people ain't lined up and they just efficient.
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No, it wasn't, it was a speed offense. But, but that, that running game, the thing I say, they scored a lot of points like you said, because, you know, they were, they were on the ball, very high tempo offense, like a Chip Kelly offense almost in, in the league. Right. They could not run the ball. So expecting anything but pass. You know, I, I think who was the running back they had that year? It wasn't no Sean. It was ball. Monty ball. It was Monty ball.
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It might have been a combo couple people and C.J. but yeah, yeah, but, yeah, but also
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we gonna flip it and go to the Broncos defenses that year, right? Once they got all them injuries out the way. Von Miller didn't play in that game. Chris Harris didn't play in that game. Derek Wolf didn't play in that game. Who else he played in that game? Kevin Vickerson didn't play in that game. Raheem Moore didn't play in that game. Would you not say that your offense really controlled the ball that game and really went up, up and down the field with no turnovers against that Broncos?
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No, I would not. I, I, I would tell you to watch the game. I would tell you they had a couple three and outs early in that game. They were not doing well. They were not moving the balls particularly well. We, we got held to three points, multiple drives early on like they were getting held to three point, three point, like it was 80 because they, we had two field goals in a safety, like. But I would say our offense, I mean, Russ threw for two touchdowns, I think 200 yards. Like, it wasn't a crazy, crazy game for him by any stretch of the imagination. You know what it was? Percy, Percy had a return touchdown. Yeah, that was, we had a defensive touchdown. We had a 2 point conversion. So that's, that's, that's 16. So 16 of the 43. So that's, you know what I mean? Like, then the, the rest is the offense. I think Marshawn might have had two tugs. Like. But I, what I'm saying is in this, in this general, in this defensive discussion, if we talking about who played the game like we played it, we played within the circumstances you given. You, you, you given the circumstances you given and you play within them. In the circumstances we were given. We played Drew Brees before we played Cap. We played Drew Brees, and guess What? He had 39 touchdowns, 5, 000 yards to 12 interceptions that season. We played Drew in the division. We tow him up, we throw him up like Drew. You got to go. And that's what we did to just about everybody who stepped in front of us. So it's. We're not going to sit here and be like, man, y'. All. Who did y' all play like? I don't know. Well, I mean, we just got his jacket.
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We had. We had Newton and boys, too. They was. They was pretty prolific that year in offense. Number one in offense. You. I think number two in Russian offense, something like that. And now, you seen the game, he couldn't do nothing at all. Right?
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But he still threw for 240. And. And, oh, that.
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That. That was garbage time. The game was over.
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Right.
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You know, game was over by then, he really, really would have shut him out. I mean, they scored a touch. I can't say that. If you get the ball in your territory and you don't hold the offense to three points, then you fail. That's how I feel. Right. Even if. Even if they get the ball in your territory, your job is to hold them in field goal range. And we let Stu get a touchdown, so I'm not going to say we wouldn't shut him out or nothing, but, you know, the. The 10. The 10 points that they did have, you know, one was from that touchdown from Stu, and. And one was. Was later in the game, but nonetheless. Huh.
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Go. Go ahead. Go ahead.
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You know, Cam Newton, mvp. And. And they defense went out there and made us turn the ball over another two times, right? That defense, Luke Keighley going in the hall this year. I just seen Luke at the combine. Funny story, going in the elevator. I'll tell that later. But you just walk in the elevator, you press the button, look up Luke Keighley. It's the second time I ran into him on some crazy like that. But anyway, defense was stacked. Two interceptions on their side. I think overall, we played a better team than y'.
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All. Yeah, but nobody would say that. Like, if you say. If your argument is. Is the. The. The. With. With. With Brown and. And whoever they had at receiver that year for Carolina, like, nobody who would start in the league.
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And Greg Olson.
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You could say Greg Olson, but nobody who would start in the league for any other team other than Carolina was smoking that year.
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I'm not saying he a number one. I mean, like, look, he's not a certified number one. They had Brown, Hollywood. What's it called Hollywood Brown. I forgot. But they had a good three man. Greg Olson, debatable Hall of Famer. It was strapped all game. Strapped him up like some LA gears. But the running game I think was that that three headed J St. Even they had FY Whitaker on the other fullback and Cam Newton was probably their most potent threat. For sure. For sure was the most potent threat.
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But. But you're not. But that's what I'm saying, TJ that's what I'm saying. It's we arguing things that cannot be argued because the 2015 Broncos are the most prolific offense in, in the NFL's history. Not. Not just regular season, the NFL's history, the playoffs too. They were still killing regulars. 37 again.
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And that's like. And what I go ahead.
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Go ahead saying is if we, if we ain't talking regular season, what the heck are we talking about? Like that's what records are broken. That's when they, they're. They're figured they. They were killing throughout the playoffs. So let's, let's not think, oh, they weren't scoring big points throughout the playoff. They just didn't get to that super bowl and score points because of us. They just ran into an immovable object. But they were doing it all season long. They set records. The. The Carolina Panthers didn't set no records. They didn't. They don't got no players that you can remember outside of J. Stuart. Cam Newton. It was Cam Newton and the boys. The defense was the, was the strength of that team. The care. The Denver Broncos. The offense was one of the great. There's still records that have not been touched at that. That that team had. They had three. Was it 4,000 yard receivers? Because. Nah, no, they had at least three. They had at least. The tight end was a thousand. Both receivers, Decker. And I think. I think Wes Welker was like 900. So you talking about. That's what I'm saying. The numbers were that crazy. And they had eight points and they had eight points in. In garbage time because demarius just was relentless. The Marius was not going to go out of there without a fight.
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Man.
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B
Rip my boy Rip, man.
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Long live.
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B
Long live. But. But that's what I'm saying. I'm saying we took the football away at a high level and you can call it Cover 3. But the reason we played Cover 3 was because we had such smart individuals like imagine going into a game and knowing, hey, all right, if we can see him, bang, we know what plays they're gonna Run. We know what concepts they're gonna run. Hey, I need you here. I need you here. Hey, you. You shift this way. Hey, they know what we in, so we gonna bastardize it like this, and. And we're gonna force the ball here and we gonna book them like. That's why we brand this so that we can. We can play to the strengths of our players, play to the intelligence and the IQ of our players and take the football away that many times. That's why we took. That's why we killed everybody. Like the big play where. Where Cam hit demarius. That was one robber. Yeah, that was one robber. Cam robbed in the middle of the field and was coming down. They ran a. A man beater, a pick, you know, crossers. And Cam said like. Like. And that's early in the game. So again, we play a man on that play as man, one robber. But we were. We were playing to the strengths of our players. Visual. Like, in man, as you know, you ain't. You can't look. You can't really play to concepts and all that. You got to, like, hey, I got to get to here, get to my leverage. Like, hands on, staying his hip. Like, I might get a chance to glance if I. If I read the route early enough, but it's harder to get interceptions. So that's why you rarely have these teams that are playing so much man coverage, go to the Super Bowl. Like, that's why in the last probably 10 years, you look at every super bowl champion and what they playing on defense, and I mean, every NFL team, nobody playing more than 30%, man. Even the Broncos this year, who are living in man. Vance Joseph had them boys in man all the time. It was like 31%.
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Yeah, but I think that just makes us even more special because we did go to the super bowl, and we did dominate every team we played defensively. If you look back at our schedule and you look at the way we won every game, it was a defensive play to win the game, whether it was a forced turnover, interception, a fumble for scooping score, a fumble or interception backed up if it's a sack to push, you know, another team out of field goal range. Not every game, but most games was a play like that to win the game and to go into, like, your cover three. We only ran cover three on third and long. We had a three buzz. But outside of that, our zones were zone mans. Cover 8, right quarter zone cover quarters 2, cover 6, reverse quarters 2, right. That takes when you run in multiple defenses and to be as Cohesive as we were and to communicate. The things we did running, whether it was a fire zone, a zone, man or man robber, all that, when you have all these accumulations of defense and you. You still are able to communicate across the board and get things done. Man, that says another thing about your secondary and your defensive intelligence as well.
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B
No question about that. No question about that. It takes intelligence, especially safeties, because y' all got to get everybody lined up and you got to get everybody moved and you got to know where to drop and where to play and all these crazy blitzes. But it takes it. It takes some. Some cajones to say, hey, we gonna run. We're gonna run three, four things we're gonna run, man. We're gonna run three occasional fire zone, and we're gonna line up and y' all ain't gonna do nothing about it.
- [27:36]
G
Let me ask you, and we'll get you. I'm curious about. What do you think your percentage of. You know, I know that was your. Your home defense, right? What percentage would you say you ran at above all of the defenses? And it's just a curious question. Yeah.
- [27:51]
B
All defenses, three. It just depends on what you. If what you're talking about, because if you look at the league right now, Everybody runs cover three at about 50. Everybody because it's eight box and it's. And it's your first down defense, everybody's eight box, first down against the run. And so that's what a lot of times it'd be in. Because we playing it against the run. We playing base, cover three against whatever base personnel, 21 or 12. So if you above the rest of the league.
- [28:24]
G
Oh, no, I'm not saying above the rest of the league. I'm saying just in within your team, like, compared to like your cover ones and your. Would it be like 50, cover 3, 50 every. All other defenses, right?
- [28:38]
B
We probably beat 24, 25, man. We'd probably be 50 cover 3. We'd probably be like 10, cover 2, maybe 10 fire zone 3, something like that.
- [28:54]
G
Okay, okay. I say we was probably like. We was probably like 40, man. 30% quarter style defense, right. Whether it was six, eight or. Or straight up quarters, we probably did that 30, probably another 20. I'll say 10 to 15. A fire zone. Maybe 10. More like 10 fire zone. And then another 10 to 15 cover three. Just because we ran that a lot on third down, you know, third and long. Third and long.
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B
Was Schwartz in Cleveland with you?
- [31:11]
G
No, I didn't have Schwartz. I didn't have Schwartz.
- [31:13]
B
Who'd you have?
- [31:14]
G
I had my first year we had Man Genie. It was Rob Ryan which was great. Rob Ryan was great defense all over the place, right? The name of it. It could be anything. Then I had Dick Jaron who had came from Green Bay and he ran. We ran more of a 4:3 style where strong safety. I was setting a lot of edges. I was playing like a damn outside linebacker. It was probably like the worst. And I always say that I broke my foot that year because I was forcing so much inside my second year and halfway through the season my foot just snapped on me and then I came back the third year was Diggeron again. I don't even remember that year too much. I think I had a pretty good year, decent. But my fourth year and probably my favorite defense was Ray Horton. Ray Horton came from Pittsburgh. I love that defense. I wish I could have played in his defense my whole career. And I don't know what happened to him after that season. I think he may have went to Arizona for a little bit or he was in Arizona before, but that was one of my favorite defenses along with Wade Phillips. And then when we got to Denver, we had. We had Jack for that year. That first year we had Jack. And the only thing is I didn't like about that defense. It was like a. It was like a three man concept right to the line to tight. And if I want to play, man, let me play, man, let me go get him and take him. It was like a man where if the tight ends went over the linebackers, then you take him and if you don't, then it's like a little discrepancy there. And a lot of times I was ended up chasing guys late across the field because the linebackers didn't.
- [32:48]
B
It's great, you know, because it's great.
- [32:50]
G
So great.
- [32:51]
B
And you wait.
- [32:51]
G
It's so great. And I mean, I went Pro bowl that year. I actually had some great numbers. But I just didn't feel, you know, to yourself sometimes you had the numbers be there. You'd be like, man, I kind of had, you know, fortunate situations, right? But then I had the numbers. But then the plays I. I seemed to give up were more. And it's not all about what you do good to us. It's about what you give up. Like I could have six picks and I gave up. I didn't say I think I gave up one touchdown. And I don't. I don't want to give up no touchdowns to. Nope tight ends, no years. And I gave up one. And I was hot. I was like, man, I'm done.
- [33:28]
B
No, but that, that's. That's another thing about that year. 2013 year, we had two dudes up for defensive player of the year. Got. Got votes for defensive player of the year. I got, I got votes and Earl got votes for defensive player of the year because I had eight books and I was strapping and. And that was another thing in the playoffs. I know you said y' all made plays to win those games in the playoffs. We. We started the NFC championship game. Guess what our offense did. They turn the ball of Russ. Russ fumble. First play of the game. And. And again, you, like you just said, it's. It's in a territory. First play of the game. Adversity. We hold them to a field goal. They go up 100 in that game. They go up 100 and they up 100 for a decent part of that game. Marshawn end up breaking out, scoring, getting us seven. We get three. Cool. It's 3. 0 in the fourth quarter of that game. Every time they touched the ball, we took it.
- [34:22]
G
This is the Seahawks. This is the Saints.
- [34:24]
B
This is. No, no, we played. We played Saints in the divisional. We played the Niners.
- [34:28]
G
Yeah.
- [34:28]
B
NFC championship. And they. They dropped back. This is the beginning of the third. They dropped back. Cliff Avery, I believe, forces a fumble. Mike Bennett picks it up, runs it to the five. Yeah.
- [34:42]
G
Hell of a game.
- [34:42]
B
Offense gets. Offense gets no points. No points from the five. They got no points. They turned it over. Turned it over on downs from the five. Couple plays later, Cam picks it off in the, in the, in the flats from the 30. I think our offense scored after that on a, On a. On a free play. On fourth down, it was like fourth and 11 free play. They got. They got San Francisco to jump because we gotta remember San Francisco has some dogs. They had Navarro. They had Pat Willis, they had Justin. Yeah, they had. They. They had some guys. They had. It was going that they was one of the best defenses in the league for sure. And we got a free play. He hit. Curse for a touchdown. Cool. We got a touchdown. Then the last drive of the game is when I tip it to Malcolm, Malcolm pick it off. And that's game. Those are the three drives they had in the Super Bowl. That's. That's the kind of defense we was playing. So it wasn't like, man, we. We getting, you know, we. We having these relaxed games and we just chilling and we just like, we having to show up and dominate to give us a chance. If we don't stop, if. If I give up that touchdown right there, we lose.
- [35:44]
G
Yeah.
- [35:45]
B
Like, yeah. Even after all everything we did in that game, we lose that game. And so it's literally clutch play after clutch play after clutch play. And it happened throughout the season. We had many games where it was like, hey, pick six to. To bring us back. We losing. We losing in Houston. With two minutes to go, they're at midfield, third and four shot, want to do a half boot, try to throw it to the flat. We run a. A fire zone like palms concept and we, we com. We invert out of COVID three and I jump down to palms, pick six, 50 yards, 21 up to bring us back in. You know what I mean? It's plays like that all season where the, the, your best players is making the big time plays. And I feel like y' all did the same thing. I feel like Von had the, the plays. I mean, the AFC championship and, and super bowl for Vaughn, boy, that boy was plagued.
- [36:39]
G
Yeah, look, he played so well, especially those last two games. Like, I'm not gonna say only, but when I looked at. I had to go back and look when we just going over a lot of this stuff and he had 11 and a half sacks regular season, right? I was thinking he had at least 15. You know, I'm saying, like just the way that playoff runs. So I went. I'm like, he only had 11 and a half sacks. Like, I thought he had about 50 sacks during the regular season the way
- [37:07]
B
he was playing in the playoffs.
- [37:10]
G
And I. Look, man, we both turned up as far as turnovers in the playoffs. Like you said, defense, you guys had eight, we had seven. Right?
- [37:18]
B
Right.
- [37:19]
G
Just when, when, when you're back against the wall in situations and the biggest moments, the biggest moments of the season, what do you do? What happens and what do you do? Do you get the ball back? Do you get a big stop? Do you, do you know, how do you react to being uncomfortable in urgent situations?
- [37:47]
B
Right?
- [37:48]
G
And that's what we did, both of us. Defenses wise, like you said, things may not always go right in the way you want them. And a lot of shit be unexpected. You may get a turnover, get you right back on the field. God damn, we just got the ball. You can't even sit down on this
- [38:06]
B
for a little bit.
- [38:07]
G
But bro, you know, I, I will say that. No, like I said, you guys ate to our seven. The offenses we played and like we talked about, you know, and there's one more point, the points per play that I'm gonna have to go in our favor. It's not by much, but our yards per play was 4.39. You know what? You guys were 4.4 right over, right behind us at 4.4, man. So, you know, nonetheless, man, I enjoy watching y' all play. I enjoy watching y' all do your whole thing like Cam, my dog, Earl, my dog, man. I, I talked to Cam more and then I talked to a lot of guys on our defense, right? Just through Instagram or whatnot, checking on, you know, everybody's well being, you know, me, Earl, Cam and yourself, we all came out the same draft class, so we've had eyes on each other for a long time, right? Just checking each other's game and
- [39:11]
B
just
- [39:11]
G
seeing you guys do what you did in Seattle, it motivated not only the whole league, right? Because in football, it's always looked at as an offensive game, right? Offense sells the tickets. Offense is who gets paid first. You know, offense is the first child, you know, most of the time, right? They or the baby, whatever you want to. Whoever gets treated better. But we all know defense wins championships, and without that defense, man, you're not gonna win nothing.
- [39:46]
B
Exactly, exactly. And that's what I. I want to say about y' all too, bro. We had a lot of you. Just as a defensive player, you admire great defense. And we played Carolina that 2015 year. We had some issues early in the game and. And, you know, some things happened, but. But they. J. Stu had had a good game and we lost that game. Jay still was killing, man.
- [40:12]
G
He was. He was hard to tackle, man. I had. He. I had him in college, man.
- [40:15]
B
I.
- [40:16]
G
You played against you. So. Man, look, when he came in, I was like, what the.
- [40:22]
B
Who is this, bro? I remember coming to Austin my freshman year at Stanford, and I wasn't expected to play. This was 2011. Oh, no, no. 2006. Sorry. 2006. 2006. We come into Austin and I've never been there, you know, I mean, I'm just a kid from Compton trying to. Trying to figure it out. Y' all came out there with. With you, Pat Chung, Walter Thurman and Bird, I think was at the other corner. And boy, when I tell you, y' all tow us up and down that field. And J Stu, our best player was our safety, Brandon Harrison. He was a big dude, like, like 230, you know, six, two. Supposed to be league bound. Supposed to be. And he killing us in training camp. So I'm like, boy, this boy is nice, you know, all you know is, yeah, for sure. J Stu got up that sideline, grabbed him by his face mask, jumped to the ground and just got out of there. I said, oh, this. It's real out here. These voices, these boys is real. They legitimate. I gotta. I got.
- [41:31]
G
You know, when your head dog with your main dog, he dogged out you.
- [41:35]
B
You in for a long day. He just did that to Demo.
- [41:41]
G
God dog.
- [41:43]
B
Oh, man.
- [41:46]
G
Ah, that's funny as hell. That's funny as hell.
- [41:48]
B
Hey, we got some breaking news. It looks like the Kansas City Chiefs just traded Tripp McDuffie to the Rams for first round pick, fifth round pick, sixth round pick, a third round pick for 2027.
- [42:09]
G
That sound like a Christmas
- [42:12]
B
God damn.
- [42:14]
G
Santa Claus came with that. Man, that's wow. Wow.
- [42:21]
A
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C
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A
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C
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A
And there's a small drink in there too. So even though it's called meat and three, you're actually getting five items for just $7.99. That's kind of wild.
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C
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A
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- [44:11]
B
NFC west right now hey, NFC west is an arms race.
- [44:14]
G
It is. Last year they was cooking. Last year I said they was the best division in football and I know the Rams are losing Kobe Durant, which was probably their best corner. Like that boy was out there making plays, he going to free agency and they, I mean that was a knot on the, on the Rams this year was that secondary, right? They have Forbes out there. He had an up and down season. You know, Kobe Durant was holding it down as far as turnovers, but they gave up a lot of plays, especially to, to you guys, man, and crucial clutch plays and, and clutch moments. So we just talked about your defense, what they have to do in the bigger moments of the game. Man, what you think about this, man?
- [44:55]
B
Sir, I think that I, I low key feel like that the Rams got laced because I, I don't know about a corner getting that much of a hole. Like a first, like a first round pick form would have made sense. So you just said okay, first round but you they gave a fifth, sixth and a third from next year. Like that just seems like a lot. And it seems like on the chief side they might be going into rebuild mode. They might be feeling like hey, this is going to be a throwaway year because they don't know when Pat Mahomes is going to be back. You know, he's coming off the acl. You don't know how, how quickly that's going to heal. Is he going to be back midseason? Is he going to be back late, be back late season? I don't know. I, I and so giving up your best corner seems like, and getting draft picks for it seems like hey, we're just investing in the future and we don't want to keep paying high value corners and save a little bit of money. So they may be able to retain, I mean I, I guess maybe retain Chris Jones and some of the other guys that they have. But for the Rams it makes sense like for the reasons you said. They're, they're losing Forbes. They got a great front in Jared Verse and Byron Young and Braden Fisk. Landman's a good linebacker so they feel good about their front, but they need to secure that back end if they gonna keep competing with the, the Seattle Seahawks and the San Francisco 49ers. That, that division. Everybody had 10 wins and everybody was, you know, two of them were in the NFC championship game. The, the Niners got put out by the Seahawks in the divisional, but they're going to get healthier this year. They're going to get all their best players back. Fred Warner's coming back. Nick, Nick Bose is coming back. It's some up in the air stuff about Trent Williams, but I would assume he's coming back. And them at full strength is as good as any team in this league. So it's going to be fun to watch.
- [46:38]
G
Yeah, I Mean, I'm. I think. I honestly, I think the Chiefs won this one, especially with that third with that cherry on the top. My thing is the turnovers, right, from your number one corner. Two last year or one last year. Two the year before. Zero the years. And I really see Trent as an inside nickel, right. He can play the outside, but last year seemed that he got picked on a little bit out there when he was at the number one, especially against bigger receivers. And that was just me looking at as many games as I've watched. Of course, I didn't watch every game, but I watched a lot of the Chiefs games, especially them being, you know, AFC west, right? You pay attention to that when you watching the Broncos. So a first rounder, like you said. Cool. Maybe another late rounder, but then another late rounder and a third man, oh, man, big red Andy Reid. I think they won that one. And knowing that they like to develop through the draft, it gives them another opportunity to bring a younger player in, maybe in an ideal player that they may want to get in free agency. But, hey, let's not spend the money. Let's get this type of player in the draft for the ELO and develop them, and we could pay. Our big horse who pretty much makes everything happen is Chris Jones. Right?
- [47:56]
B
Like, right.
- [47:56]
G
You better keep him if you want upset. Chris Jones, I would dare to say the best player in football on defense.
- [48:05]
B
Right?
- [48:06]
G
Man, I would. Look, not far from.
- [48:08]
B
I don't think they win any of those Super Bowls without him.
- [48:10]
G
No, absolutely not.
- [48:11]
B
I don't. I don't. And that's. That's my personal opinion. I know he had a down year this year. I think he would. He would admit that. He would say it. The tape says it. And I think people are so down on him, especially you hear Kansas City Chiefs fans, like, man, get rid of him. Get rid of him. People have down years, guys. But when he's on in 23 and 19 and 20, like a lot of those years, y' all won Super Bowls. He was the reason he won him that Super bowl in 2319. He had an incredible year. He had an impactful game that. That season in the super bowl, and I'm not sure they win it without him. So again, as you said, keep him happy. Keep. And maybe surround him with more talent, like, more D line talent. You know, pass rush wins games in this league. Pass rush, you got to have it. And I think it showed up in the AFC side because of what Houston's doing with Daniel Hunter and Will Anderson. What. What Denver's doing with, with Bonito and Cooper and those boys and even interior, they got interior at all pro. And Zach, Zach Allen.
- [49:20]
G
Yeah. Yeah.
- [49:21]
B
Who's, who's, who's freaking phenomenal. But a great pass rush gets you, gives you a chance, you know, and as you said earlier, pass rush and coverage work together.
- [49:29]
G
Yeah, I, I like, I think, I like especially, I think this draft has an abundance of pass rushers that you can get late after those early guys go right after the bangs. He'll probably, maybe, you know, the boys at Ohio State, they could change the defense, right? Oh, our guy is at the Tech, at the Red Raiders. He's, I think he'll be the first defensive guy gone. But then you got a, a group of long outside corners that are coming out of this draft this year. So, man, it's going to be interesting to see, it's going to be very interesting to see how, how they in. Install McDuffie in that Rams defense and really what responsibilities do they have? Do they have them playing more inside? Do they have somebody that they picture to play outside? Or are they going to line them up immediately at number one on your best receiver?
- [50:22]
B
Yeah, I'm interested to see that too. And we've had those conversations before about, you know, shadowing the number one receiver and is that the most valuable thing to do? Is that the smartest thing for a defense to do? And I think it's situational. You know, I don't think it's, it's something you do every week because not every week you got a true number one that's that impactful, that's getting 150 targets. You know, if you looked at this super bowl and said, hey, you're playing the Patriots, Are you playing the Seahawks? You say, oh, man, if you're the Patriots, you following jsn. But then JSN goes out early in that game and, and you're like, okay, so who do you follow now? Yeah, now there's nobody else worth, worth following or, or, or dictating your defense like that. So it kind of kills the point of it. And on the other side, if you're playing the Patriots, who you, who you following with number one? You? Kaan? Booty Douglas is, is Diggs the guy. You know what I mean? None of them are getting those kind of targets or that kind of focus for you to say, hey, we need to designate our defense to focus on this guy and put our best player on and, and, and kind of tilt our defense that way. In my opinion.
- [51:23]
G
Yeah, you just Brought up a son. I was. You made me realize Tariq willing up. You know, you could probably get him for a cheaper price than he was worth two years ago. So, I mean it's a lot of free agent corners out there as well. I don't know if I like this by the Rams. I. I really don't know. But hey, I could. They could. You know McVeigh great head coach. He could prove me wrong. Right.
- [51:46]
B
Right. Do your thing. Do your thing. They. They what? Somebody just put out a stat they've round pick for the last 10 years.
- [51:55]
G
Really?
- [51:57]
B
Yeah. 2017, traded. Traded their pick to the Titans. 2018, traded their pick to the Patriots. 2019 to the Falcons, 2020 to the Jags, 2021 to the Jags. 2022 to the Lions 23. 20, Lions 24. They drafted Jared Verse. So my bad. It wasn't all the whole.
- [52:17]
G
They always in the win now. Seem like if you're giving up your first round picks. I got Matt back here. I'm in the win now until he retire. Ain't no. Ain't no wait till later. We trying to win every super bowl this year. So that's a good. I mean, that's a good place to be in.
- [52:32]
B
That's a great place to be in. That's a great place to be. You feel like you always got a chance and Matt is one of them dudes, man.
- [52:38]
G
For real. For real. He definitely is mvp. Hey, can't argue that.
- [52:43]
B
But. But we had a lot of respect for y' all and what y' all did and y' all defense and. And you know, we go back and forth. It's all fun because we just prideful players and. And we play. You played at a high level and we played at a high level and everybody wants to be the best and take pride in what they did, but as you just said, defensive players can appreciate just great defense being played, you know, And I love it even nowadays when I see like the Seahawks defense and what they did to the Patriots in the. In the super bowl and anytime there's a great defense. I loved what Denver was doing all year, you know, that what they had going in. And Sir Tan and them boys in Houston, what them boys in Houston is doing.
- [53:21]
G
Them boys in Houston.
- [53:22]
B
Yeah, it's crazy. Young boys is playing good football. So it's. It's great to see that, man. Maybe you and me could collab more because I enjoyed this. I enjoy seeing you getting. Getting to talk ball.
- [53:32]
G
Nah, definitely we. We gotta do it again, man. Like you said, great collaboration, man. I'm glad we got to do this, man. Always a pleasure talking to you, man. Hey, we gonna leave it up to y'.
- [53:45]
B
All.
- [53:45]
G
And y' all argue amongst yourself, man. It's no fly zone. Legion of Boom. Who's your number one defense of all time? Leave it in the comments for sure. Don't forget to watch Richard Sherman Show. Watch Safety First Show. We on YouTube, Instagram, all that, man. Leave it in the comments.
- [54:03]
B
And as always, we appreciate you joining us. You could be anywhere in the world, but you're here with us and we surely do appreciate it. As he said, catch the Safety first podcast or the Richard Sherman podcast, both on YouTube. We obviously collabing right here. But thank you guys for joining.
- [54:20]
G
Appreciate you.
- [54:31]
A
This is Sophie Cunningham from Show Me Something. Okay, Arby's just casually pulled up with a deal that feels a little too good.
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C
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C
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This is Julian Edelman from Games With Names. I want to take a second to talk about something that's personal to me. I've had the privilege of working closely with Robert Kraft for a long time, and one thing I've always respected is how seriously he takes up standing up to hate. As a Jewish athlete, my identity is something I am proud of. But I also know what it feels like to be singled out for it. That's why this new commercial for the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate that aired during the big game really hit home. It's about showing up for someone when they're targeted, even if you don't have the perfect words. And sometimes standing next to someone is enough. And you can show support by sharing the Blue Square.
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Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. It's stock up savings time now through March 31st. Bring in for storewide deals and earn four times the points. Look for in store tags to earn on eligible items from Oreo, Haagen, Dazs, Charmin, Tide, Sparkling Ice, Reese's and Special K. Then clip the offer in the app for automatic event long savings. Stack up those rewards to save even more. Enjoy savings on top of savings when you shop in store or online for easy drive up and go pickup or delivery restrictions apply. See website for terms and conditions.
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Think Verizon is expensive? Think again. Anyone can bring their AT and T or T mobile bill to a Verizon store today and we'll give you a better deal. So bring us your bill. Walk in, run in pogo stickin' teleport if you can ride on the back of a rollerblading yak or flyin on the wings of a majestic falcon. Any way you can bring your AT and T or T mobile bill to a Verizon store today and we'll give you a better deal on the best Network based on RootMetric's best overall mobile network performance US 2nd/2025 all rights reserved. Must provide a very recent postpaid consumer mobile bill in the name of the person redeeming the deal. Additional terms, conditions and restrictions apply.
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This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.