Richard Sherman Podcast - 49ers trade Deebo, Shedeur Sanders "arrogant" label

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Episode Title: Richard Sherman Podcast - 49ers trade Deebo, Shedeur Sanders "arrogant" label
Release Date: March 6, 2025
Host: Richard Sherman
Co-Host: Mitchell Schwartz
Description: In this episode, Richard Sherman and Mitchell Schwartz delve into significant NFL offseason moves, including the San Francisco 49ers trading Deebo Samuel to the Washington Commanders, the Philadelphia Eagles making notable roster cuts, and the controversy surrounding Shedeur Sanders' perceived arrogance. They also explore prospects like Travis Hunter, the Dallas Cowboys' handling of Micah Parsons, and quarterback scenarios involving Matthew Stafford and Sam Darnold.

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1. Trade of Deebo Samuel: 49ers to Washington Commanders

Timestamp: [02:14] – [07:10]

Richard Sherman and Mitchell Schwartz kick off the discussion with the major offseason move of Deebo Samuel being traded from the San Francisco 49ers to the Washington Commanders. Sherman expresses approval of the trade, highlighting its mutual benefits for both teams.

Notable Quote:

Richard Sherman [03:21]: "I love it. It's a great move for them... This is something both sides needed, just a fresh start."

Sherman emphasizes that Deebo's departure provides cap relief for the 49ers while offering Samuel an opportunity to rejuvenate his career with a young and dynamic receiving core in Washington.

2. Impact on the 49ers’ Roster and NFC Landscape

Timestamp: [05:20] – [08:47]

The conversation shifts to how Deebo's trade affects the 49ers' offensive strategy and their standing within the NFC. Sherman discusses the challenges the 49ers face in a tough division, suggesting that this move could position Washington as stronger contenders.

Notable Quote:

Richard Sherman [05:20]: "I think this definitely puts them in a conversation... We have to see how it all plays out on the field."

Schwartz probes the limited draft compensation received by the 49ers, with Sherman explaining the financial nuances behind the trade and expressing confidence in the team's ability to adapt.

3. Philadelphia Eagles’ Notable Cuts: Darius Slay and James Bradbury

Timestamp: [08:47] – [10:26]

Sherman addresses the Philadelphia Eagles' decision to cut key players like Darius Slay and James Bradbury. He analyzes the possible reasons behind these cuts, such as cap restructuring and the desire to develop younger talent.

Notable Quote:

Richard Sherman [09:10]: "I think they just want to do something now and lower it now... He played well in the playoffs... he played well in the big games."

Sherman underscores Slay's contributions and the team's strategic moves to maintain depth and flexibility within their roster.

4. Shedeur Sanders “Arrogant” Label Controversy

Timestamp: [26:07] – [30:24]

A contentious topic arises as Sherman tackles the perception of Shedeur Sanders being labeled as "arrogant" based on anonymous QB coaches' feedback from the NFL Combine. Sherman defends Sanders, questioning the motives behind these negative portrayals.

Notable Quote:

Richard Sherman [27:24]: "It matters because you're talking about personality traits... If you can't put your name behind it, shut up."

Sherman argues that while personality is important for a franchise leader, unfounded negative labels can unjustly impact a player's career. He emphasizes the need for credible sources and personal accountability when making such claims.

5. Travis Hunter’s Versatile Draft Prospects

Timestamp: [15:34] – [21:32]

The discussion moves to Travis Hunter, a versatile defensive back and wide receiver from Colorado. Sherman lauds Hunter’s unique skill set, comparing him to rare NFL talents and exploring his potential roles on a team.

Notable Quote:

Richard Sherman [20:25]: "His ball skills are really top of the line... He communicates so seamlessly that people don't even know it's difficult."

Sherman highlights Hunter's intelligence, adaptability, and exceptional instincts, predicting he could become a "one of one" player in the NFL due to his ability to excel on both offense and defense.

6. Dallas Cowboys’ Handling of Micah Parsons and Osa Odighizua

Timestamp: [12:51] – [15:34]

Sherman critiques the Dallas Cowboys' decision to prioritize a lucrative contract for Osa Odighizua over Micah Parsons, questioning the team's valuation of their star linebacker.

Notable Quote:

Richard Sherman [13:26]: "It doesn't seem like they want to play Michael Parsons... he's been really productive."

Sherman expresses confusion over the Cowboys' financial priorities, suggesting it might signal a lack of commitment to Parsons despite his outstanding performance.

7. Matthew Stafford’s Situation with the LA Rams

Timestamp: [40:41] – [42:22]

The hosts discuss Matthew Stafford's move as the Rams allow him to explore free agency. Sherman analyzes the Rams' rationale, suggesting it aligns with Stafford’s career stage and the team’s strategic direction.

Notable Quote:

Richard Sherman [41:06]: "Both sides played it as reasonably and as amicably as you could possibly do in that situation."

Sherman believes both Stafford and the Rams made a pragmatic decision, respecting each other's needs and future plans.

8. Sam Darnold’s Free Agency Prospects

Timestamp: [42:22] – [44:12]

Sherman explores potential landing spots for Sam Darnold, assessing teams that might benefit from his experience and skill set.

Notable Quote:

Richard Sherman [42:54]: "Raiders are potentially the Jets... I'd love to see him back with the Jets."

Sherman envisions a scenario where Darnold finds a stable and competitive environment, potentially rejoining former connections like the Jets.

9. Devonte Adams’ Release and Future

Timestamp: [46:53] – [47:28]

Sherman speculates on where Devonte Adams might land following his release from the Rams, suggesting a possible reunion with the Green Bay Packers or a move alongside Aaron Rodgers if he joins another team.

Notable Quote:

Richard Sherman [46:53]: "It'd be like a cool reunion... or he goes wherever Aaron goes."

Sherman anticipates Adams becoming a high-demand free agent, seeking teams in need of a top-tier wide receiver.

10. Steelers’ Quarterback Dilemma: Justin Fields vs. Russell Wilson

Timestamp: [44:30] – [49:15]

The Steelers' ongoing quarterback situation is dissected, with Sherman debating whether to retain Justin Fields, sign Russell Wilson, or pursue a new franchise quarterback through the draft.

Notable Quote:

Richard Sherman [48:02]: "They gotta make a move to finally get a franchise quarterback in the draft and switch things up."

Sherman emphasizes the importance of the Steelers identifying a long-term solution at quarterback to end their cycle of turnover and build sustained success.

11. Miles Garrett’s Trade Speculation with Cleveland Browns

Timestamp: [49:15] – [51:06]

The episode concludes with Sherman discussing Miles Garrett’s potential trade from the Cleveland Browns. He examines the complexities of trading a high-impact player and the likelihood of the trade occurring before the draft.

Notable Quote:

Richard Sherman [50:16]: "If they don't get it done before the draft, I don't think it gets done."

Sherman underscores the urgency for the Browns to finalize Garrett's status, suggesting that without an early deal, trading him might fall through, leaving the Browns to retain their star player.

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Conclusion:

In this episode, Richard Sherman and Mitchell Schwartz provide in-depth analysis of key NFL offseason moves, offering insights into team strategies, player valuations, and the broader implications for the league. Sherman’s expertise shines as he navigates complex trade scenarios, player performances, and draft prospects, providing listeners with a comprehensive understanding of the evolving NFL landscape.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Richard Sherman [03:21]: "I love it. It's a great move for them... This is something both sides needed, just a fresh start."
• Richard Sherman [09:10]: "I think they just want to do something now and lower it now... He played well in the playoffs..."
• Richard Sherman [27:24]: "It matters because you're talking about personality traits... If you can't put your name behind it, shut up."
• Richard Sherman [20:25]: "His ball skills are really top of the line... He communicates so seamlessly that people don't even know it's difficult."
• Richard Sherman [13:26]: "It doesn't seem like they want to play Michael Parsons... he's been really productive."
• Richard Sherman [41:06]: "Both sides played it as reasonably and as amicably as you could possibly do in that situation."
• Richard Sherman [42:54]: "Raiders are potentially the Jets... I'd love to see him back with the Jets."
• Richard Sherman [46:53]: "It'd be like a cool reunion... or he goes wherever Aaron goes."
• Richard Sherman [48:02]: "They gotta make a move to finally get a franchise quarterback in the draft and switch things up."
• Richard Sherman [50:16]: "If they don't get it done before the draft, I don't think it gets done."

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You know this girl for these y dope Super Bowl Championship. That should always be the expectation. I ain't mad at you. Go ahead. Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast. We're in the off season and it's time for free agency. Mitchell, I know you're excited about your Detroit Lions, but there's a lot of action out there. How you feeling?

[Mitchell Schwartz]

There is a lot of action. This is some of my favorite time of the year, Rich. I mean, we got the NFL combine that just wrapped up. NFL free agency starts here next week. Let's start out in San Francisco, though, because we're seeing it right now. These teams are trying to position themselves, getting ready for free agency, and unfortunately we're seeing some big name players on the move, starting with Debo Samuel out of San Francisco. Going to the Washington commanders. The commanders give Jaden Daniels some extra help. They got a surplus of cap space with the luxury, adding Jaden on the, on the rookie deal. Richard, what are your thoughts on this? Let's start at it from Washington's perspective. A team that's dealing in a position of power with so much money to spend. How much do you like this move, acquiring Debo Samuel?

[Richard Sherman]

I love it. I love it. It's great move for them. It's their first move of the off season. They have a ton of cap space. We're always talking about their $100 million of cap space that they're had that they have. Adam Peters was under John lynch in San Francisco. So, you know, those conversations were probably free flowing. But I think it's great for both sides. You know, you could see Deebo wrote a cool message about San Francisco, how much he loves Kyle and John and how they gave him an opportunity. There's no bad blood there. I think this is something both sides needed, just a fresh start. You know, it's human nature. Sometimes you need a fresh start. You need to try something new, go somewhere else and, and figure it out. And I think San Francisco obviously needed a little bit of cap cap relief and they'll get some of that. And Debo needed a new start in a fresh place and I think he'll be great for that young receiving core with scary Terry, how versatile he can be. I think he'll help them in the run game, in the pass game, and be explosive. And I think he's excited about that opportunity. Maybe this is the spark he needed at this time in his career. And I think I'm really happy for him and for them and how it played out, because I think this is about as clean as it could get in the NFL. Hey, both sides, you know, it could get dirty and ugly sometimes where everybody's saying names and saying bad things about each other. But this wasn't like that. You know, 49ers, he expressed he wanted to go somewhere else. 49ers said, okay, we appreciate everything you've done for us. We'll do our best to get you to a competitive team and that's what they did. I think both sides are happy and it's going to work out.

[Mitchell Schwartz]

You got to love it from Deebo's perspective, I mean, to be able to partner up with Jaden Daniels, this is like the perfect compliment to him. You got scary Terry McLaurin on one side and then you get, you get Debo Samuel inserted in that offense. I mean, what are your thoughts on how this changes them in terms of the landscape of the nfc? Does this help push them further to that top bracket of the NFC with true NFC contenders going into next year?

[Richard Sherman]

Well, I think it definitely puts them in a conversation. You know, obviously they're in a division with the Philadelphia Eagles, who just came off a Super bowl win against the Kansas City Chiefs. So, you know, they still have to get in a conversation where you got to win your division. That's a tough division to win. The Dallas Cowboys had a bad year, but they'll be back. I think this puts them in a conversation, but we have to see how it all plays out on the field. I think they're going to make a lot, a lot of other moves and spend a lot of that money in free agency, maybe getting some online help, some pass rushers, maybe another corner or two. And I think that that'll help them move further into that conversation. I think retaining their own guys, you know, see if they bring back Bobby Wagner, if that's a move they make or if they, they push Lulu into the Mike linebacker spot and then draft another one. I'm not sure, but I think as they continue to make moves, this definitely makes him a more attractive destination.

[Mitchell Schwartz]

Yeah, you got to love it as a Washington commander fan. Let's talk about the Niners, though. I mean, I think a lot of fans would be a little surprised only getting a 5th round pick and return from Debo. Does that, does that surprise you at all? Did you expect more than a fifth?

[Richard Sherman]

Well, it just depended it, depending on the situation, if The San Francisco 49ers were going to have to pay Deebo's bonus and, and pay his salary for the year, then of course they would would get more draft compensation. But I think once you count the fact that Washington's going to take on the bonus and take on the salary, that's the reason why the draft compensation was less. And I think that's why San Francisco was okay with it rather than waiting for after the draft and trying to do a June 1st kind of deal. You know, I think this was a situation where they got something for him and they put him in a place he wanted to be and he was able to keep the salary that he's making.

[Mitchell Schwartz]

Well, you look at the 49ers, the roster now, specifically that wide receiver room. Obviously they invested a first round pick in Ricky Purcell last year and Brandon Iuk went out early in that season. But it was the emergence of Juwan Jennings. Mr. Third down, third and Juwan, Juwan Jennings, do you see him stepping up and filling this Debo role?

[Richard Sherman]

Well, I, I saw him stepping up last year filling every role and so I expect that to continue. I think they value him. I think they saw the value in him and in a lot of games, you know, he was dominant. He was unguardable at times. And then I think George Kittle, I think it goes back to, you know, sometimes you have too many mouths to feed and you don't have enough footballs. There's only one football and you're trying to feed Christian McCaffrey, Kittle IU, you're trying to get it to Depot and, and now you got this draft picking Purcell and you're trying to make sure you keep everybody happy. And it's very difficult to do. And I think this kind of simplifies things. I think it gets Kittle more involved than the offense and I think at times they had to rely on him and he obviously has been fantastic and one of the best tight ends in the game. And I think down the stretch Kyle Shanahan realized that, hey, we're not using George Kittle enough. We need to find a way to get him ball. And you cannot get everybody the ball when you have so many mouths to feed. Once Brandon comes back, once Christian comes back, you know, then what happens to Juwan Jennings? Is he just the third down guy again now? And I don't think he wants to fall back into that role. So, you know, I think this is, this is sometimes addition by subtraction, just, you know, kind of simplifying. Hey, I don't have to give the ball to all these guys anymore. I can just run the offense more straightforward.

[Mitchell Schwartz]

Let's move on and talk about the defending champs, the Philadelphia Eagles caught headlines here with some, some notable cuts. A friend of the program, I know one of your good friends, Darius, big place slayer is cut along with James Bradbury. A lot of this could be just, you know, cap restructuring. Maybe they bring these guys back, maybe not. You know what, what are your reaction to these moves from the Philadelphia Eagles?

[Richard Sherman]

Well, when they took corners in the first and second round last year, you, you can see what direction they want to go. Quinya Mitchell looked like a perennial all Pro, perennial Pro bowl type player. Cooper De Jean looked great in the, the inside and the nickel safety, you know, rover kind of role that he played in Vick's defense. I think that's what they're thinking. I think they would love to have Slay back in a lesser, in a, on a lesser salary. And I, I, I don't know what the logistics of the salary were where they couldn't just restructure them and continue, but I think that just pushes the, the cap hit out later and you know, maybe they just want to do something now and lower it now and, and it made more financial sense to cut him and then resign him for a lower number than to just restructure him and push some of the salary out. I don't know what they're going to do with James Bradbury, but maybe they want him back too. But again, they, they've drafted really well at that position. They have depth and they feel comfortable with that depth. I expect Slay, he's a guy that, that Philadelphia has loved, the fans love, the team loves. He played well in the playoffs, he played well in the big games. And I think he's done a great job mentoring those young guys and helping them develop. In the way.

[Mitchell Schwartz]

Where do you see as a good fit for Slay if it's not Philly? If Philly does ultimately move on from him. I know there's been rumblings about sending him back here to Detroit and Lord knows the Detroit fan base would love to have Slay. But where do you think is the best fit, best fit for Slay moving forward?

[Richard Sherman]

You know, I could see that happening. I could see him going back to Detroit. I mean, any, any, any contending team, you know, I think he'll have his pick and I don't think he's going to a developing team, a team that's trying to figure it out. I think he's going to go to a team that is ready to win. Now, I'm not sure if Buffalo is an option. You know, obviously they have really talented young corners, but a good veteran always helps a room like that come together. Kansas City could be an option as always, as it is for everyone. Detroit is a really competitive team and you know, somewhere like Green Bay would make sense for me. Who's going big in the NBA this season?

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Let's talk about the Dallas Cowboys. They always seem to be a mystery in the off season, at least of late. And now the big name to be paid is Micah Parsons. But today there's breaking news that they paid somebody else. Osa Odigizua, the defensive tackle gets a four year $80 million deal with 58 million guaranteed. How disrespectful is this, do you think, to pay OSA first before Micah Parsons? Because this seems like a sizable number to be thrown out when you got to also pay Micah Parsons.

[Richard Sherman]

I said this last year and I'm saying again this off season, it doesn't seem like they want to play Michael Parsons. It doesn't. He can. He's put on tape, really good tape. He's been really impactful. One of the best defensive players in National Football League and that's undeniable. And still they haven't paid him. The number only continues to go up as the cap goes up. The caps at what, 277 now or 279, which means his number is only going up. It was what it supposed to get. 33, 34 million. Which means his is going to be 36, 37 million dollars now, and you just g 20 million dollars to his running mate before him. I just, you know, I don't know. I mean, Stephen Jones said they're going to be strategic about how they pay this season, and it doesn't make sense how you're doing it. Maybe they don't value him. Maybe they're going to move on for Michael Parsons. But, I mean, even then, I, I think we would see some movement before the draft, and the draft is coming up here fast in a hurry, and so I haven't heard any rumblings unless they're keeping it all under wraps, like the Luka Doncic trade of Michael Parsons being moved for any substantial draft considerations, and that's what it would take. You know, it did take a top 10 pick, I would imagine, to get Michael Parsons from the Dallas Cowboys, but I don't see why the Dallas Cowboys do it outside of you not wanting to pay him or, you know, something everybody else doesn't know. But I also don't understand why you haven't paid him yet. Like, it's not like his production has fallen off a cliff at any point in time. He's been really productive. He's played hard, he's played well. He hasn't been incredibly injury prone throughout his career. So this move is just head scratching because you have one of the best players in the league. He's right here. You could pay him, and instead you're paying everybody else. You paid Dak Prescott top money. You paid CD Lamb top money. You paid Diggy Zua. I mean, top money for what he's put on. He had four and a half sacks last year. And so I, I, I don't know. I don't know what this move says. I don't know what Micah Parsons feels about it, but if I was him, I, I'd be calling my agent like, hey, tell them the price went up.

[Mitchell Schwartz]

I don't understand what's in the water down there in Dallas. I mean, this, this management of both the Mavericks and the Dallas Cowboys, it's very perplexing to say the least. We got to talk about a guy I know you have a lot of respect for, and his name's going to be high on the list of potential. The number one pick, and that's Travis Hunter. I mean, this guy is a Swiss Army Knife, arguably one of the best defensive backs in the college football landscape, as well as the best wide receivers. You know, I know we've talked about it in the past, but, like, where do you see Travis Hunter being the best fit at this next step, is it db? Does he play a little bit of wide out? Does he split between the two? Like if you were drafting Travis Hunter, what role would you put him in?

[Richard Sherman]

We, we've, we've gone down this road. We've, we've gone down this road for, for better or for worse. Yeah, I play him at corner. You know, I let him, I let him spotlight at receiver. But I think, you know, the, the greatest effect he could have is that corner. But you know, as he said multiple times, he wants to do full time both. And if a team gives him an opportunity, I'd love to see it. You know, I mean it hasn't been done on a full time basis in the National Football League that I can REM memory and it would be something that be really incredible to see. Oh, it make him a true unicorn. He once in a lifetime kind of player that we've never seen before. We've seen guys do it in college, but not to the extent that he did it in college. So let's not put anything past it. Now. Him saying what he's doing is harder than what so he Atani is doing. That's all debatable. You know, that's all subject to how hard you think baseball is versus how hard you think football is. I've never played baseball on a professional level or even collegiate level, so I'm not even going to speculate on, on how hard it is. You know, I get frustrated with fans talking about, man, this guy should have been able to catch that. And you do this and it's like you've never been in that situation. I have. It's very much diff. Much harder than it looks. But if I just looked at it somewhat objectively, just the physical strain that I think it, it appears to have to do what Otani is doing versus what, what Travis Hunter is doing. I think it's more physically demanding what Travis Hunter is trying to do and what he wants to do in the NFL just because, I mean it literally takes a physical toll. I'm sure you could measure the amount of miles he would be running or the amount of yards he would be running per game, the miles per hour, the energy he exerts each and every play. I mean, I'm sure you can measure these things. And if you did it by that, what Travis is doing is going to be considered more difficult. If you talk about just skill and the skill it takes to execute the task that's being asked to you, I think that's where Sohee's talent is really magnified because it's such a unique skill set that he has that few people on earth can do. But the same is true with Travis being able to transfer his mind from offensive to defensive playbooks. To understand the situations, to understand what this receiver is giving you versus what this corner is giving you, to just, to just click flip a switch on and off is incredibly difficult in, in football. That's why most people only play one side of the football for majority of their career. Because once you flip to the other side, a lot of people can't execute at such a high level. They, they aren't the same kind of player. It's too much thinking. Maybe you're, maybe you're a free, free player on the offensive side, but on defense, you're like, you know, kind of in your head about certain things and you're, you're panicked or you're, you're indecisive. And Travis does that seamlessly and that, that should be celebrated and really appreciated because it's an incredible skill that he has. I, I don't know who he, he reminds me of because it's. There's nobody really built like him or trying to do what he's done. So, I mean, the guys that have done it, Champ Bailey, Dion, Charles Woodson, have played both sides of the ball and then gone to the league. Chris Gamble, Hester, those are all the ones I can think of off the top of my head. I played some offense in college and then I played defense in college, but I never played them both at the same time outside of a spring game, and I dominated in that game. But I can't say he reminds me of anybody. He's a unique, he's a unique player. He's a unique talent.

[Mitchell Schwartz]

Well, you, I think you, you mentioned one guy, it's Charles Woodson, but I mean, even his usage at Michigan wasn't to the same magnitude as Travis Hunters at Colorado. And you got to give Travis Hunter a ton of credit for what he's been able to achieve playing college football. It's truly marvelous. And if he's able to do that same thing in the NFL, he's going to be a one of one. But let's talk about him as a db because that's your specialty. Rich, like, what do you view as his biggest strengths as a draft prospect if you're trying to break down his game?

[Richard Sherman]

Well, he has incredible instincts, just football instincts that. Things that you can't be taught. His feel and zone coverage is really really incredible. His ball skills apparently are really top of the line, top notch on both sides of football. He hides, points it like nobody else. His fearlessness and again, his just brain, his intelligence, his football IQ to be able to flip a switch and go offensive mindset and attack and run his routes and no coverages and know where to sit in the zones and know where to where people are, help defenders are coming from, and then to flip it on to defense and say, all right, man, I'm in. I'm in cover two, cover three, I'm in Manto, man, and I'm trying not to get picked. I got to communicate with this guy. We got in and out calls. We got different calls in a bunch. Who, who has two, who has three? Who has this, hey, where, where's the robber in this call? You know, there are so many moving parts to it. What's my run responsibility on this play? And he does that so seamlessly that people don't even know that it's difficult. And he's done that. And so that's really been impressive to me.

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Okay, well, lean into Nate's playing experience and tap into our interests away from hockey and try to do what energy lines are supposed to do, provide an emotional boost. How do you feel about all that, Nate?

[Nate Thompson]

I'm vibing Julie. I'm ready to roll.

[Julie Stewart-Banks]

Listen to Energy Line with Nate and jsb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Mitchell Schwartz]

Let's talk a little bit about the Cincinnati Bengals. We've talked about em in years past and podcasts of old and you mentioned it a couple off seasons ago. This Cincinnati Bengals team, to put simply, is cheap. They don't like to play their pay their players. And I know they're up against it. I know they had to pay Joe Burrow and Joe Burrow wants to keep the band together with Jamar Chase and T. Higgins. But they're faced in this financial situation where it's almost like they got to pay one or the other. And it's pretty obvious that T. Higgins isn't top of their priority list. Their franchise taking T. Higgins for the second year in a row, he's going to get a tag of 26 point million. Like what do you think is the end game with this T. Higgins situation? Do you think he's a Cincinnati Bengal next year? Or you think they're going to try to move on from him? Because I, I don't see how you can possibly pay both these guys the amount of money that I'm sure that they want.

[Richard Sherman]

Well, there's a way you can do it. You know, we can't say there's no way you can do it when we see the Philadelphia Eagles playing all day. Always open A.J. brown and Devonte Smith. Devonte Smith was making 25, which is, you know, a little less than a franchise tag T. Higgins just got. And A.J. brown was making top receiver money. And now of course Jamar Chase wants more than Justin Jefferson's 35.1 or whatever it is. He wants a hundred thousand over whatever Jefferson. Man, he wanted that last year. So the price only goes up. So I wouldn't be surprised if he asked him for 37 this year. And again, this is the price of waiting, the price of not getting your guys sewn up early. You end up paying more because the cap only goes up. And I don't know if these owners are banking on these guys getting hurt, are these guys not having a great season? But if Mike Brown was banking on Jamar Chase not having a great season, this was the absolute worst bet in the history of the National Football League. Not only did he have a great season, he had one of the best seasons. He had the Triple crown season. And now you have to pay him post triple crown like you could have just paid him straight up. Now you got to pay him post triple crown and so he can name his price. And now you. Now you've given him even more leverage by putting a franchise tag on T. Higgins and not him, because now he knows he's not going to get tagged. And so he can challenge every bit of this and push you to the limit. And I think that's going to be the hard part now is because I don't think they ever anticipated playing top receiver money to either one of them. And they're going to have to really pay it to T. Higgins in a big way. I would. Five years, 180 something around there, Mitchell. That's probably where he's going to be. Close to five years, 180, if not more. And they're going to have to pay it or you're going to have to watch him walk. And that would be one of the craziest things in the history. If, if Jamar Chase ever hit free agency, that would be one of the crazy that would be up there with Luka Doncic getting traded to the Lakers. Even though I love that move more than anything.

[Mitchell Schwartz]

I know you do. Well, I mean, we saw something similar happen in San Francisco, right? They went out and paid Debo and then they got the situation that they were in last off season with Brandon Iuk and ultimately had to pay him, too. And now we see how that situation shakes out a year later. I just don't know if there's a way to please both parties here. We'll see how the Bengals handle this situation because certainly they were one of the hottest teams towards the end of last season. It was too little, too late, you know, ultimately for the hole they dug themselves in early in the season. But this team with Joe Burrow in his prime, if you get those two receivers paired up and happy with him, the sky's the limit for this franchise. So hopefully they get this squared away soon. Let's go back to the Colorado Buffs. We got to talk a little bit about Shador Sanders. He was at the combine. Didn't really work out, but was there. And we saw, you know, some of the feedback coming in from these anonymous QB coaches saying that Shador Sanders was arrogant and brash. You know, Shador responded. How do you. How do you know? I mean, what. What do you make of this? Does it matter if he's arrogant and brash? It seems like proofs in the pudding with him. He helped Turn Colorado around and Jackson State around. You know, what's your thoughts on this should over Sanders situation?

[Richard Sherman]

It matters. It matters, but it matters because you're talking about personality traits. You're talking about a guy who's going to lead a franchise. But it's not bad. It's not always bad. It's not. I'm sure there are people that think Joe Burrow comes off that way. There are probably people that have met Patrick Mahomes that maybe think he comes out that way. I don't think I've ever heard anybody say Lamar Jackson because he's a super humble, like down to earth guy. But there are quarterbacks in this league that come off that way. I mean, how have they talked about Aaron Rodgers for the past decade or two? Like if he can play the game, it doesn't matter. But if you can't put your name behind it, shut up. Like, if you can't put your name behind talking about somebody else's name, then you probably shouldn't be saying what you're saying. Like I can sit here and put my name, face and reputation on what I say because it is what it is. You know, if you agree, you would agree. If you don't, you don't. You know, I, I believe what I'm saying is true and if I'm proven wrong, I can accept, hey, I was wrong about that. But I thought that at the time and thank goodness somebody was able to show me better or show me wiser. But I don't appreciate guys trying to slander guys and trying to put paint guys in a negative light to try to affect their livelihood. Like, I'm not about that. Coming off arrogant and brass. What does it benefit you to say that? And that would be my question. Like, what benefit do you receive by saying this? You feel like, oh man, yeah, let me get this out there for everybody so that you know, they can know this kid is, is who he truly is. Like, why aren't you telling me how any other quarterback interview. Why, why am I not hearing what Jackson Dart's personality is? Why, why am I not hearing what, what, what Cam Ward's personality is in the room? You know what? Like, why are they so energized to talk negatively about Shador is my question. And, and, and not even talk anyway about the other guys. Like, I don't hear any, any, anybody. There's other top quarterbacks being picked in his draft and I don't hear anybody talking about, oh man, this guy's this, or this guy coming off bland or, or not the smartest. Like, it seems like they want to tear down who they want to tear down. They want to build up who they want to build, build up. But if you're gonna tear a kid down, stand on it. Like, hey, I'm, I'm, I'm the quarterbacks coach for the, for the, the. The Las Vegas Raiders. And I, I think Shador Sanders is a little arrogant. I think he's a little. But you can't. But you can, because you know what you're saying is going to be controversial. It's going to be talked about everywhere. Not everybody's going to agree. Not everybody's going to disagree. And so when you do that and you don't put your name on it, you're like, hey, hey, I'm. I'm out of it. I'm just, I'm just doing a. I'm just throwing a spark into the fire. I'm just throwing, throwing nonsense out there. I don't want to be attached to it. I don't want you guys to come for me. Like, no, bro, no, no. If he's arrogant and brash saying, stay with all your chest and put your name behind it, and then I could believe it, then I'll trust it.

[Mitchell Schwartz]

Well, let's talk about the NFL combine a little bit more. This is the time of the season where everyone's together. There's a lot of smoke screens going on, and maybe that take is a smokescreen. Maybe someone wants shad sandals to fall to them. Who do you like most as a fit for Shador? Is it the Giants? Do you like the, the Raiders? Where do you see him having the most early success and being the best fit?

[Richard Sherman]

I, I, if I was him, I would want to go to the Jets. I want to go to the Jets. I think they have the, the weapons in place. They have a good running back in Bree Hall. They have Garrett Wilson. It looks like they're trying to get rid of Devonte, but I think they'll draft another receiver. But I think that's a place with a good running game. You know, if you fix that offensive line some, they have talented pieces on the defense. It's not the craziest division in the world to come into and potentially upset some teams and find a way to sneak into the playoffs. I think the Jet, the Jets, would be a great fit for him to have early success if he's not ready. You know, you lean on that run game, Breeze hall and the rest of them, and you try to build him as, as he gets Better. As he feels more comfortable out there, you give him a little bit more. But I think that would be the.

[Mitchell Schwartz]

Best fit for him at this combine. And Richard, you know what? All too well, you guys are under the microscope, but if you're a GM or a scout, how much weight are you really putting on the combine? These measurables, how fast these guys are running, how much weight they're putting up on the bench press? You know, between the combine and pro days, we've seen a ton of people elevate their draft stock or lose their draft stock. But if you are a gm, how much emphasis truly would you be looking at these combine results?

[Richard Sherman]

I'd say if it's out of 100% and we're saying certain percentages tape, certain percentages is background information and personality and you know, any red flags on, on that side, I'd say combine is probably 15%. I'd give it no more than that because like, how many guys have. Have elevated their crazy stock at the combine? Like the fastest guys in the history of our game, there's not a lot of all pros between them. You know, I mean, on the all pro, on the list of fastest guys in combine history, like, there's not a ton of all pros and pro bowlers between them. You know, I think Chris Johnson got a couple, you know, Xavier Worthy looks, looks like a solid character. Tariq Woolen got a Pro bowl in his rookie year. But it's, it's very few times that you find these guys are going to, you know, I mean like all the combine measurables and all the, the RAS scores are going to lead to great football player. There are guys, if you go through some of the greatest players, if you went to the hall of Fame list and then went to the RAS scores or their combine numbers, it's probably not going to be the most impressive numbers you'd have. You know, they talk about the greatest receiver of all time and Jerry Rice running a 4 6. Like you're not going to find him crazy combine. Now, Jerry, I mean now Randy Moss's numbers are a little freakish. You know, I think to numbers are pretty, pretty, pretty great. But everybody's numbers aren't going to measure that that great. And so you have to look at the tape and see the football player and how they maneuver in situations, how they maneuver when, when things are going bad, when things are going good, how they practice. There's a lot more that goes into it. So this got to be a small if I'm a head coach this is a small part of it.

[Mitchell Schwartz]

You look at some of the stories, right? I mean, let's rewind a couple drafts ago, the Trayvon Walker, Aiden Hutchinson draft. I mean, Aiden Hutchinson from a production standpoint at a U of M was probably the best football player in that draft, but Trayvon Walker went first because of measurables. Aiden Hutchinson has shorter arms and we've seen how that has played off. Aiden Hutchinson, barring that injury, was certainly the defense player a year candidate last year and we see it now again. I mean, I don't know the guy's game game at all, but Shemar Stewart is elevated a ton. He's a riser. He had one of the best combines at any defensive end edge rusher in this draft. But then you look at his production at Texas A and M and you see two sacks a season. It makes you wonder how much these guys are thinking. Also you see Will Campbell from lsu, the number one offensive tackle candidate. They're saying his arms are in the sixth percentile of length and now he's being encouraged to move the interior offensive line. Like, it's just wild. It's wild to me to think that an offensive lineman who's had so much success at LSU and has only done things the way he knows how to do it, the way his body allows to do it, is being told he can't play offensive tackle because of his arm length. Any thought on that, Rich?

[Richard Sherman]

Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. It's almost like they're, you know when they say a long corner couldn't play in the league when I was coming up, Let him play it and see, you know what I mean? It's the reason he's had so much success. And I think they use these measurables and these, these boxes to put people where they're like, hey, majority of the guys who are this size and hand size and arm length and wingspan have had success and the guys who haven't have these issues. But each human being is different and that's how you got to treat it. You got to treat everybody different. Now. You can, you can use comps and all that. But like, I hate the combine for a number of reasons and I would never do it again. But I hate it more because they, they try to BS on my stuff all the time. Like I ran a 4, 5, 1 and a 4, 5, 4. And now you look on the website, they put 4, 6. I'm like, when did I ever run a 4, 6? God, like literally in every bit of my combine I ran 4, 5, 1, and 4, 5, 4. Now to tell the story, I guess they're like, Richard Sherman ran a four, six. I said, dang. Like, I, I mean, I'm okay. I was 4, 51 and 4, 5, 4. If you want to give me my slow time. But you don't got to make stuff up. I think, I think the combine is a sham and it's just something to fill the off season.

[Mitchell Schwartz]

Well, another, another. Add a little more fuel to your fire, Rich. I mean, when you were coming out your size 6 foot 3, 200 pounds or whatever you were weighing back then was viewed as a negative trait for you, right? It didn't fit the position as defensive back. But I want to read something to you for one of the combine risers. Darien Porter out of Iowa State, 6 foot 3, 195 pounds with 33 and an 8th inch arms, quote unquote. He already boasts ideal size for the position. How times have changed, my friend.

[Richard Sherman]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I. I remember hearing them say, because every year they do the whole like 40, 40 yard dash comparison. And, oh, this guy. These guys are so much faster than Richard Sherman. Like, oh, they're going to be better than him. Like, I'm gonna let you know something. I've played a lot of football in my time, 11 years worth, and I've ran against four threes, four twos. I don't think any of those guys ever gave me issues. I caught a lot of interceptions on them. I gave a few touchdowns to him. And there's so much more to the game than that. That speed is almost like if it hits a certain threshold, if you can run four or five, you're fine. You're fine. Running four, four doesn't make you better than a guy running four, five. Running four three really doesn't make you that much better because it almost makes you more dependent on it. And so you look at a guy who runs 4, 3 and you're like, okay, what does this technique look like? And you're like, his technique isn't that sound because he's fast and he always knows he can catch up. The guy that runs 4, 5 technique is really sound because he knows he can't. He knows he has to win early. He knows he has to put himself in position because if he makes a mistake, it's over with, the play's done. The guy run 4, 3 knows he has more margin for error, so he works less on those things. If a guy runs 4, 3 and his technique is great, then you Got Patrick certain, a guy who's going to be a perennial all Pro until, until he's done playing this game or until his technique falters. But, I mean, he, he, he's been a technician since the day he came in. But I just feel like we've gotten to a time where they're, they're reaching and these kids are give. Are able to give them what they want to see. Like, they're able to put the facade up. Some of these scouts and GMs have been taught to see, but they aren't built with the strength and integrity and the dedication and the drive and the dog that you got to have to win consistently in this league. And some of them are like, that's why some of these SEC kids and these kids from LSU and Georgia and Bama are having so much success in this league because they are still held to that standard of being a dog. And you see some of these guys who haven't played hard nose football and haven't been challenged are struggling in this league because you can't transfer out, you can't move, you can't switch teams when things get hard. You got to weather the storm and they don't know how.

[Mitchell Schwartz]

That's the new mindset. We're going to see how that all plays out here.

[Julie Stewart-Banks]

It's Julie Stewart Banks. I'm doing a new podcast from iHeart Podcasts and the National Hockey League, and I'm paired up with one of my favorite players, the always quotable Nate Thompson.

[Nate Thompson]

I wore nine NHL sweaters and I have story after story to share. And believe it or not, I have plenty to say, and not just about hockey.

[Julie Stewart-Banks]

Believe me, he does Energy Line with Nate and JSB is the name of the podcast and it's going to be, well, it's going to be quite the ride. We're officially line mates, Nate. We're the energy Line.

[Nate Thompson]

We'll have plenty of folks join us, current players, some of my former teammates, hall of Famers. And wait till you see some of the connections that Julie has. She has quite the Rolodex.

[Julie Stewart-Banks]

Okay, we'll lean into Nate's playing experience and tap into our interests away from hockey and try to do what energy lines are supposed to do, provide an emotional boost. How do you feel about all that, Nate?

[Nate Thompson]

I'm vibing, Julie. I'm ready to roll.

[Julie Stewart-Banks]

Listen to Energy Line with Nate and jsb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your your podcasts.

[Mitchell Schwartz]

Let's talk about the LA Rams. This off Season was filled with conversation about Matthew Stafford. Ultimately, the Rams gave him the green light to go check out what his market value was with other teams. And we saw there was some interested suitors. The Giants were one of them. There was some reports that the Raiders and Tom Brady were courting them as well. You know, how surprised are you with the way the Rams handled this, this offseason with Matthew Stafford?

[Richard Sherman]

I'm not surprised really at all because they've done what he wanted them to do every other year. You know, every year is like, hey, pay me more. And they've changed and gave more. Pay me more. They've. They folded and gave him more. And this year they were like, hey, go, go see if somebody else will give you more because we're tired and you've done great, boss, and if you feel like that's us doing great by you, then go, go have at it. And I think sometimes you got to do that. You know, I mean, he, he's. He did push, give them a chance, and they were a player or two away from making the NFC title game and putting the Eagles out last year. That is a big deal. But you were also banged up. You're older, you're always on the edge of retirement. But so that doesn't surprise me that much. It's good that they, you know, he made the decision because I think they said the Giants had the compensation the Rams wanted and they had the money that Stafford wanted. And I think he, he understood that, hey, I have a better chance here with Sean McVeigh and these receivers and Puka Nakua and the system that I know and not moving my family all the way to New York and starting over again and trying to figure it out. So I'm going to stay here. And so I think that was great for both sides. I think both sides played that as, as, as reasonably and as amicably as you could possibly do in that situation.

[Mitchell Schwartz]

Well, while we're talking about QBs, let's talk about Sam Darnold. It doesn't look like Minnesota is going to be franchise taking him. They're going to open themselves up for a mystery this offseason. At the quarterb, is it JJ McCarthy's time? Do they look to add another veteran on top of him? We shall see. But in terms of Sam Darnold, where do you think is the best landing spot for him? He showed out a lot this year. He showed that he can play this game at a high level worthy of that top pick that he was years ago. But where do you think is the best fit for him now, whoever is.

[Richard Sherman]

On the outside looking in on these top quarterbacks. So right now I'd say that's the Raiders, that's potentially the Jets. Yeah, those teams. Wouldn't that be lovely, right, for. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Talk about full circle moment, circle of life. That'd be crazy. I think those teams have to be in on him. I think Tennessee and those teams that are going to draft Sadur and Cam Ward and potentially Jackson Dart, I'm hearing now those guys are going to have to. If they want a veteran, then you'd have to pay him premium in draft. I don't think they'll do that. I think that's the situation Atlanta fell into last year and obviously now they're stuck. But I, I don't, I don't see very many places that would pay him over $30 million and draft the quarterback. So it depends on what his number is. Maybe he comes back to Minnesota at a reasonable price and they make it a quarterback competition. And I think that's the best of both worlds for that team. But outside of that, I think there are a few opportunities where he could come in and be the starter, guaranteed and get starter money like he feels he deserves. And that's unfortunate, but it's what it is right now.

[Mitchell Schwartz]

Well, I'm with you, man. I'd love to see him end up back with the jets and I think frankly, they should bring in a backup worthy to compete with them and that that backup could be Zach Wilson. You want to talk about full circle moment over there in New. That's. That's what I would do, you know. So let's talk about the Steelers a little bit here, though. Justin Fields and Russell Wilson open.

[Richard Sherman]

I just heard what you said. I just heard what you said. I just heard what you said, Mitchell. I'm done.

[Mitchell Schwartz]

That's what I'm doing, man. If you're gonna bring, if you're gonna bring back, you know, Sam Darnold, you might as well bring back Zach Wilson too and let these guys fight.

[Richard Sherman]

The fans would burn the stadium down if they did that. They would burn the stadium down.

[Mitchell Schwartz]

I would love to see it. The jets, you know, obviously with Aaron Glenn at the helm, they're, they're going to be looking for a quarterback. And while we're talking about the jets, let's talk a little bit about what they're dealing with because Aaron Rodgers, it's, it looks like he wants to play still, but they've already made it apparent that they're moving on from them and it looks like they're also going to be moving on from Devonte Adams potentially as well. You know, here we go. Aaron Rodgers, if he does move on, obviously he's in the twilight of his career. Like where is the best landing spot for him next as him? You, you know he's going to want to compete, but I don't know. After we saw what was going on with New York. I know you got a ton of respect for this guy, Rich, but where is a realistic landing spot for Aaron Rodgers at this point of his career?

[Richard Sherman]

That's tough because it really would have been with the Rams. It would have been Stafford going out, them getting him for a discount and being able to build around him. That would have been the best case scenario for him. Now, I don't know, it just depends on how much they believe in these young quarterbacks and where he would really play. You know, would he play for the New York Giants and can they get him? You know, obviously they were in all in on the Stafford deal and so were the Raiders. So that shows you that even with this draft coming up, those teams are really okay and content with going with a veteran guy. High priced veteran guy. And so I don't know. I'd say Raiders are the Giants. If he could get those jobs, he'd take it, I'm sure.

[Mitchell Schwartz]

Well, while we're on the podcast right now, just got news that Devonte Adams has been released by the team. So now he enters free agency. Obviously he's going to be a big name in free agency. Where do you think he lands? Is it back to the Packers? They truly need a bonafide number one up in Green Bay. Could you see something like that?

[Richard Sherman]

I could definitely see something like that. And that'd be like a cool reunion, you know, for the right price. I'm sure he'd be into it. It'd be a good, you know, just full circle moment for the franchise, him potentially finishing his career there and all that. But on the flip side, if he doesn't and the packers aren't, you know, open to that, then I think he goes and, and goes wherever Aaron goes. If he goes to the Giants, I think that Devonte tries to go to the Giants with Aaron and they try to finish this, this rodeo out together.

[Mitchell Schwartz]

That would be a wild one for sure. Staying in New York, just switching teams. Let's go to Pittsburgh though. We already kind of touched on it previously. Last offseason was a big storyline. Justin Fields against Russell Wilson, you know, the Sealers Got a luxury in getting Russell Wilson in there at a minimum contract. But now they're looking at the same issue again this year. If you're the Steelers, who do you bring back? Is it Justin Fields? Is it Russell Wilson? Do you bring them both back and rerun the same roster you had last year? What's your thought process with the Pittsburgh Steelers?

[Richard Sherman]

I think you do something you have never done, and you make a really crazy trade and try to get in the top five and get a quarterback. I'm not sure who that trade is. You only have a few pieces. You only have Pickens, Minka, tj. Like, those are pretty much your biggest tradable pieces because the options outside of that are pretty slim. Like, do you. Do you get Aaron? Do you. Do you trust Sam Darnold to come run the ship in Pittsburgh? Like, is that what we're going with? You got to deal with Buff Baltimore multiple times. You got to deal with Cincinnati multiple times. I don't, you know, I don't think Sam Donald is a guy that. That would do well under those circumstances. But if you talk about in terms of financial compensation, Russ will be more expensive than Fields right now. Obviously, you know, there's more experience. You saw what you can get with Russell. You saw what you can get with Justin Fields. Where do you see the upside? Who do you see with more upside? That's going to be the question, honestly. And. And I don't have the answer. I think. I think they gotta make a move to finally get a franchise quarterback in the draft and switch things up. They don't do that. Then it's pretty much you still just spinning your wheels.

[Mitchell Schwartz]

Yeah, you're right. They're in this hamster wheel dealing with, you know, quarterback turnover after quarterback turnover ever since, you know, Ben Rolfsberger retired. Really? And they gotta find that next guy for the next five to ten years. Not next one to two years. You know, it's been marvelous to see this Pittsburgh Steelers organization stay competitive, be in the playoffs year after year. But at some point, as a fan base, just getting in the playoffs is not enough. And I know they want to win and be more competitive in the afc. Let's stay in the division. Before we wrap, we got to revisit the Miles Garrett discussion. He's still a hot. The hot name in the trade wins. Right now. There was news that the Lions were being extremely aggressive. We know Philly's freeing up money to try to make a run at him. Obviously, the Buffalo Bills have been in that conversation as well. You know, it looks like Cleveland tried to smooth things over with Miles and renegotiate his contract and extend him. But he has made it abundantly clear he wants to win now and play for a competitor. How do you see this situation shaking out with the Cleveland Browns and Miles Garrett?

[Richard Sherman]

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It's a weird situation. If they don't get it done before the draft, I don't think it gets done. So I'd be really surprised if it goes past the draft and gets done because at that point you're trading them for likely draft picks. You're not going to trade them for a comparable player. There is no comparable player unless you're, you know, trading them for T.J. watt or both star, you know, and no team would do that. So I, I, I don't know where they go from here. I, I think they try to trade him for a first round pick, early first round pick. If any of those teams are interested in them. If you can get the Giants or somebody to take the bait, I think maybe if they would have got Matt Stafford then they'd be more willing to play ball in that, you know, realm. But I think that's the only way the Browns give him up and otherwise they keep him in franchise.

[Mitchell Schwartz]

Well, I'll tell you here as a Detroiter, we would absolutely love to see him playing opposite Aiden Hutchinson. So fingers crossed that can happen. But Richard, this is our, our first episode in the off season. I know. We're excited to bring you guys more content as the free age he progresses along and, and the NFL draft approaches. I will let you sign us off, my friend.

[Richard Sherman]

Well, I appreciate you guys joining us again for this offseason podcast, the first one we've done. We will do many more. We appreciate you joining us. I know you could be anywhere in the world enjoying your time, but you're here with us and we greatly appreciate it. Have a beautiful blessed day. Foreign.

[Ashlyn Harris]

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[Julie Stewart-Banks]

What's up everyone? Julie Switbinks here along with former NHL.

[Nate Thompson]

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[Richard Sherman]

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[Julie Stewart-Banks]

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[Nate Thompson]

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[Julie Stewart-Banks]

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[Nate Thompson]

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[Julie Stewart-Banks]

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[Richard Sherman]

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Listen to Wide Open with Ashlyn Harris.

[Ashlyn Harris]

An iHeart women's sports production on the.

[Julie Stewart-Banks]

Iheartradio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.