Richard Sherman Podcast - AFC & NFC Championship PREDICTIONS: Rams-Seahawks, Patriots-Broncos | Richard Sherman NFL

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Episode: AFC & NFC Championship PREDICTIONS: Rams-Seahawks, Patriots-Broncos | Richard Sherman NFL

Date: January 23, 2026
Guests: Julian Edelman
Key Theme: Expert breakdowns and predictions for the 2026 NFL Conference Championship Games.

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Episode Overview

In this special Championship Week episode of the Richard Sherman Podcast (distributed via The Herd with Colin Cowherd), Richard Sherman and Julian Edelman dive deep into the NFC and AFC Championship matchups: Seattle Seahawks vs. Los Angeles Rams, and Denver Broncos vs. New England Patriots. They analyze each team’s recent performances, key storylines, players to watch, and make their considered predictions for who will progress to the Super Bowl.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Seattle Seahawks vs. Los Angeles Rams – NFC Championship

Rivalry Recap and Season Series

• Sherman sets the scene by highlighting the tightly contested season series. Each team took one game, the last being a 38-37 overtime shootout win for the Seahawks, capped by a two-point conversion (02:09).
• The prior meeting was a defensive struggle, with Darnold throwing four interceptions but Seattle’s defense holding Stafford to just 130 yards.
• Both teams enter with momentum and lessons from their earlier matchups.

The Seattle Build: Culture and Players

• Sherman lavishes credit on the Seahawks’ culture, camaraderie, and "Mob Mission Over Bullshit" mentality – a rallying cry for their unity and focus.

• Discusses how veteran Leonard Williams took sideline advice from rookie Gray Zabel, converting it into a sack—emphasizing team chemistry and humility.

  “A 10-year vet taking advice from a rookie in a playoff game… talks to the camaraderie and togetherness, the brotherhood that has been built in Seattle.” — Sherman, [05:29]

• Highlights the importance of homegrown talent: Charles Cross, Byron Murphy, JSN, Devin Witherspoon, and more—“Most of this team in its core has been homegrown.” (10:53)

• Rookie safety Nick Emanwori has emerged as a key impact player down the stretch, praised for elevating the defense’s energy and performance.

The Mike Macdonald Effect

• Both speakers hail the managerial transition from Pete Carroll to Mike Macdonald; Edelman, especially, calls the Macdonald hire a game-changer:

  “What an incredible hire for this organization... If this defense shows up like that, good luck to the Rams.” — Edelman, [08:22]

Offensive Keys

• Kenneth Walker (“K9”) is spotlighted as the offensive X-factor:

  “I think this is his moment to shine. Not to mention he’s got all the motivation in the world—he’s going to be a free agent after this year.” — Edelman, [09:22]

• Concerns linger about Sam Darnold’s ability to avoid critical mistakes, given his tough statistical history against Chris Shula’s Rams defense (16 sacks, 7 INTs in recent outings).
• Sherman urges confidence: “He doesn’t have to save the world… This defense is going to do their part.” ([10:53])

Rams Defense & X-Factors

• Rams bring confidence from a strong playoff win versus the Bears. However, Sherman notes they surrendered 38 to Seattle last meeting and expresses skepticism about their ability to stop Walker and the reshaped Seahawks offense (16:44).
• The key for the Rams remains Matthew Stafford and his connection with Puka Nacua and Devante Adams, both potential game-breakers if not managed well.

Game Plan & Philosophy

• Both hosts note the formula for postseason success remains the same: “Run the football, play great defense, and you walk off with a win.” — Sherman, [16:44]
• Edelman emphasizes how closely matched these teams are: across two games, the Rams have outscored Seattle by just one point; total yardage is separated by only one yard ([18:40]).

Defensive Adjustments & Containment

• Sherman predicts Macdonald will crowd the field to limit explosive passes to Nacua and Adams, forcing the Rams to grind out long drives.
• “You want to allow your pass rush to get home and you want to allow them to live in 10, 11-play drives… when you have those, it gives your defense opportunity to force turnovers.” — Sherman, [19:31]
• Effort and team defense are highlighted, comparing this Seahawks group’s “hungry wolves” mentality to the legendary Legion of Boom.

  “Your defense is just enjoying causing chaos, Mitchell — it don’t matter who you play, they in trouble.” — Sherman, [21:43]

What Championship Games Feel Like

• Sherman reveals the emotional and mental approach for such games:

  “Every game’s a championship game… you’ve been locked in. Nothing changes—field’s the same size, same jerseys. You got a point to prove.” — Sherman, [22:11]

• He reminisces about overcoming early deficits and the value of adversity to define championship units.

Predictions

• Edelman: Seahawks win 27-20; expects a clean, game-manager performance from Darnold and heavy use of K9. ([26:14])
• Sherman: Seahawks win 27-17; confidently forecasts a defensive touchdown—“Give me Kobe Bryant!” ([27:11])

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2. Denver Broncos vs. New England Patriots – AFC Championship

The ‘Bo Nix Factor’

• Staggering line movement after Broncos QB Bo Nix’s injury: from Denver -1.5 to New England -5.5 (33:05).
• Sherman underscores the magnitude:

  “It’s colossal, it’s monumental, it’s enormous. And it’s the difference between winning and losing in this league.” — Sherman, [33:52]

• Jared Stidham, Nix’s backup, is thrust into action—Sherman calls the expectations “unrealistic” for Stidham to throw 25–30 times and win.

Broncos’ Defensive Hope and Limitations

• Both agree Denver’s defense is their last hope to keep the game close.
• Patriots rookie Drake May has shown some vulnerabilities under pressure (10 sacks, multiple fumbles in last two playoff games), which the Broncos’ strong pass rush will try to exploit.

Matchups to Watch

• Edelman highlights Denver’s #1 ranked offensive line and rookie RB RJ Harvey’s late surge, but wonders if they can run enough to protect Stidham.
• Sherman spotlights New England corners Christian Gonzalez and Carlton Davis as exceptional in man-to-man coverage, with Marcus Jones as an electric playmaker in all three phases ([41:36]).
• Patriots defense is characterized as “undersold but dominant”:

  “They're sixth against the rush, ninth against the pass, and number four scoring defense. They're well coached, disciplined, ball aware.” — Sherman, [40:53]

How Patriots Win

• Sherman and Edelman agree that Patriots DC Mike Vrabel will stack the box, force Stidham to beat them, and rely on defensive depth and discipline.
• Edelman identifies Denver’s susceptibility to tight ends—Hunter Henry is set up for a big game ([44:20]).
• The New England run game (Travion Henderson, Rhamondre Stevenson) is a steady, reliable force.

Game Outlook & Predictions

• Sherman: Patriots win 21–15, “comfortably.”

  “Everybody loves a fairy tale… This ain’t one of them stories.” — Sherman, [42:54]

• Edelman: Agrees; expects New England to prove doubters wrong about their schedule strength and be a worthy Super Bowl opponent for Seattle.

Emotional Resonance

• The prospect of Seahawks vs. Patriots in the Super Bowl stirs memories and competitive fire for Sherman, referencing their famed past meeting:

  “It’s just giving me flashbacks and, you know, it's great memories, but then it’s trauma… That would be a Super Bowl where demons would be exercised.” — Sherman, [45:47]

• Comic relief comes as Edelman needles Sherman about “run the damn ball” and Kenneth Walker’s would-be Super Bowl MVP story ([47:01]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Seahawks culture:

  “Those are the things that you need in games like this… That’s the way they’ve been living, Mitchell—all season long. They have been on a mission from day one of training camp until now.” — Sherman, [05:29]

• On Mike Macdonald’s impact:

  “You saw his scheme in Baltimore: wild defense getting after the football, wreaking havoc on quarterbacks, causing turnovers… He's got the personnel to absolutely wreak havoc on whoever they go up against.” — Edelman, [08:22]

• On Puka Nacua’s last performance:

  “I have to expect Seattle’s going to have a better plan for Puka Nacua, who had 12 catches for 225 yards in their last matchup.” — Sherman, [19:31]

• On Rams’ championship DNA:

  “Matthew Stafford… is not going to go quietly into the night. He’s a Super Bowl champion for a reason.” — Sherman, [10:53]

• On AFC Championship emotion:

  “It’s colossal, it’s monumental, it’s enormous… it’s the difference between winning and losing in this league.” — Sherman, [33:52]

• On Patriots’ unsung defense:

  “They don’t have big names, but the names they do play really high level football… That’s why this defense has been so fantastic. They're well coached, disciplined, ball aware, they have great ball skills.” — Sherman, [40:53]

• On denying the ‘fairy tale run’ for Denver:

  “Everybody loves a fairy tale… This ain’t one of them stories, Mitchell.” — Sherman, [42:54]

• On running the ball and Walker’s Super Bowl MVP candidacy:

  “Kenneth Walker, you know what I’m calling it right now? Kenneth Walker, Super Bowl MVP. Done.” — Edelman, [47:01]

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Key Segment Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:09 | Sherman opens with Seahawks-Rams breakdown and Seattle’s locker room culture | | 05:29 | Camaraderie & the “mob mission” mentality; Williams-Zabel sideline moment | | 08:22 | Edelman hails Mike Macdonald and highlights Seahawks defense | | 10:53 | Homegrown talent & developmental success in Seattle | | 16:44 | Rams defense, running game philosophy | | 18:40 | How evenly matched the Seahawks & Rams are statistically | | 19:31 | Defensive adjustments: Handling Puka Nacua, effort turnovers | | 22:11 | Sherman on NFC Championship mentality | | 26:14 | Edelman’s Seahawks–Rams prediction: Seahawks by a touchdown | | 27:11 | Sherman’s final prediction: Seahawks 27–17 with a defensive TD | | 33:05 | Transition to AFC: Nix injury swings line, value of the quarterback | | 37:15 | Broncos’ defense and Patriots O-line break down | | 40:53 | Patriots’ defense: unsung but dominant | | 42:54 | Sherman’s Patriots–Broncos prediction: New England wins easily | | 47:01 | Edelman predicts Kenneth Walker as Super Bowl MVP |

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Final Predictions

NFC:

• Seattle Seahawks defeat the Los Angeles Rams; controlling the tempo, running the ball, stifling Stafford, and “mob mission” mentality firing on all cylinders.
  • Sherman: 27–17 (with a defensive touchdown—Kobe Bryant favored for the big play)
  • Edelman: 27–20

AFC:

• New England Patriots overwhelm Denver, whose playoff run stalls with Nix’s injury; Patriots’ defense dominates, offense rides Henry, Henderson, and Stevenson.
  • Sherman: 21–15 New England
  • Edelman: Patriots advance; targets Hunter Henry as key.

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Tone and Closing Thoughts

The episode blends sharp football analysis and data-driven takes with locker-room stories, championship nostalgia, and hearty banter—making for an episode as entertaining as it is insightful. Sherman’s passion is palpable, especially when comparing the present-day Seahawks to his defensive “Legion of Boom” roots, and Edelman’s playful prodding keeps the tone light—even when recounting “trauma” from past Super Bowls.

Memorable Moment:

• Edelman, emphatically: “Run the damn ball… Kenneth Walker, Super Bowl MVP. Done… Jot it down now. We’re going to timestamp this for later.” ([47:01])

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For listeners who missed it, this episode is a quintessential mix of scheme, story, and sports energy—a masterclass in breaking down what makes championship football, and why both these matchups are can’t-miss TV.

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To the Richard Sherman Podcast and I just want to say I appreciate you guys. You can be getting your NFL content from anywhere but you're here with me. I I'm thankful for you. So hit that sub button so you can get the notifications when I'm dropping a new episode. All love Hope you guys are having a great New Year's accomplishing all your New Year's resolutions and staying healthy. Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast. It's championship week, Mitchell. These are the games that matter. The games that will send you to the super bowl and crush a team's dreams. Which one will it be? We'll find out soon enough. I can't wait. The Seattle Seahawks play the Los Angeles Rams in another NFC west showdown. It's been they split the two games during a season. The last one was a shootout. It ended up 38, 37. Seattle Seahawks. Sam Donald drives down the field and in a valiant effort to, to win that game, they go for the two point conversion. They convert in overtime, walk off, win. Beautiful game. The, the first game, not as beautiful, not as beautiful. Struggle by Sam Darnold. Four interceptions, but his defense kept standing up for him. Held Matthew Stafford to 130 yards passing and they had a chance. At the end. They two more yards and they'll have, they would have had two wins this season versus the Rams. And I'm sure the Rams fans are like, yeah, but if so, if it went different, we would have had two wins. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm not talking about y' all right now. The Rams defense is incredible. They're riding high. Cam curl interceptions sends them to the championship game. They play fantastic in tough conditions against a very good Chicago Bears offense, and I know that that gives them confidence. This was a game that Matthew Stafford didn't throw a touchdown pass. He didn't play his best football. His, his offense didn't play their best, but they still came away with the win. It was a cool game. This is a game that I'm sure Mike McDonald is going to, is going to be incredibly prepared for. He's going to have this defense incredibly prepared. Their confidence level is through the roof. But I know that Chris Shula is looking at last year's playoff game against the Vikings when they sacked Sam Darnold nine times in the game. When they got after him, they picked him off once. And he's looking at that, trying to see what disguises, what things he can take from that game plan to, to put into this one. I'm sure he's looking at things that he did in the matchup early on in the first matchup, the disguises, the way they forced him into mistakes. But if I'm, if I'm Sam Darnold, like I said before, I'm watching that fourth quarter in that overtime where he played great football. If I'm K9, I'm feeling really good. He had 100 yards on 11 carries. In that second matchup, the offensive line found their rhythm. He's played his best football when it's been required. And that's what makes me excited about this Seattle Seahawks team. And again, Mitchell, I'm wearing this hat for a reason, because. Super Bowl, Mitchell. We went to that super bowl and we want it. They gotta go again. This is going to be a fantastic matchup. And I think they have everything they need. This is where legends are made. This is, this is the game where legends and legacies are created and upheld. You got guys like Leonard Williams and Julian Love who were in New York and hadn't really had much success at all. Much success. They, they never really played meaningful football in this way. They're playing in their first championship game. It's great to see those guys were ready for the moment. I just saw a clip today where Leonard Williams was talking to Gray Zabel on the sideline after halftime and Grace Able gave him a little advice. You talk about a 10 year vet taking, taking advice from a rookie in a playoff game and he takes that advice, goes on the field and it creates a sack for his team and, and it was a huge play in the ball game. It just talks to the camaraderie and the togetherness, the brotherhood that has been built in Seattle. And that's what. Those are the things that, that you need in games like this. Those are the things that make teams special. When you win championships, when you, when you, when you build this brotherhood and everybody's talking about this mob mission over bullshit. And that's the way they've been living, Mitchell, all season long. They have been on a mission from day one of training camp until now. They knew what they had in the building. And if you came to training camp and you got to watch that team, if you spent any time in that building, you knew what they had. That, that was a big reason. I felt good about them coming into the season, having those conversations with Sam Darnold and JSN and the defense, Tariq Woolen and Mike McDonald, because it just felt different. You know what a special championship locker room sounds like. You know what it feels like. Um, and that's what it looked like. Could I have predicted them making it all the way this year and playing as well as they did in the divisional game. I couldn't have seen it being a 416 blowout. But a defense finding its rhythm at the right time is a dangerous thing. And they're finding their confidence, their rhythm in the Rookie Nick Emin Worry is playing as good as he's ever played in his career. And, and that's a big reason why I feel like the Seattle Seahawks are going to pull this one off in a comfortable fashion. I don't know if it's not going to be the blowout that it was against. I don't think it can be that. But I think they're going to feel good. I think they're going to be in control of this game. They just are such an incredible team. Complete team. The special teams are amongst the best in the National Football League. The defense, the offense, and even with Sam Darnold's injury, the way the offensive line has been blocking, it's going to be. It's going to. It's going to be different than you expect from the Seattle Seahawks team. I still think their passing game is going to be necessary. They're going to have to push the ball down the field. I think Rashid Shahid is going to have to factor in. No question about that, Richard.

[Julian Edelman]

I have to admit I've been wildly impressed with the Seattle Seahawks team even before their dominant performance against 49ers Mike McDonald. What an incredible hire for this organization. You want to talk about transitioning from Pete Carroll to the next guy, and that Next guy, Mike McDonald, has stamped his imprint on this team. You saw his vision, you saw his scheme in Baltimore. Just a wild defense getting after the football, wreaking havoc on quarterbacks, causing turnovers. Baltimore was a ferocious defense. He's got the personnel to absolutely wreak havoc on whoever they go up against. And for that reason, I love the Seattle Seahawks team. I don't even care about the offensive side of the ball because what I saw this past weekend against the 49ers, if this defense shows up like that, good luck to the Rams. I think Seattle, if they put 21 on the board, they walk away with a win because you can see it in their eyes, man. And like you said, mission over. Bullshit. You can see that model playing out on the field. And you know, you want to talk about absolutely dominating an off season, killing it with the draft, drafting guys like you said, like Gray Zable, like Nick Amanwari. These are guys that are going to be culture changers here in Seattle for years to come. And Richard switching to the offensive side of the ball. It's my boy, K9's time to shine. The Michigan State graduate, you saw him tail and Tom Brady go green in that broadcast. After the win, Zach Charbonnet unfortunately goes out with an ACL Injury, which is brutal. But you know what? I've seen it firsthand at Michigan State when Kenneth Walker absolutely dominated the Michigan Wolverines and carried this team back from multiple scores down. I think we see that same K9 upcoming, this upcoming weekend against the Rams. He's somebody that can tote the rock. He's. He can be a lone ranger in that backfield. I promise you guys in Seattle, I think this is his moment to shine. Not to mention he's got all the moment, all the motivation in the world. He's going to be a free agent after this year, so you know he's going to be highly motivated to prove himself in this game. You got to love what you've seen from the Seattle's running attack over the last handful of weeks. The question becomes, can Sam Darnold cure those demons? Against Chris Shula, he's had not so much success over the last couple years. Five touchdowns to seven interceptions, been sacked 16 times. So the question becomes, can Sam Darnold manage this offense well enough to bring home the victory? Do you think Sam has it in him?

[Richard Sherman]

Yeah, I think he has it in him. And I think again, you don't have to save the world. He doesn't have to be a world conqueror in this game. You don't have to throw for five, six touchdowns. When, when we won the super bowl, it didn't take a ton, it didn't take a ton of touchdowns from a quarterback. It didn't take it. Marshawn lynch, consistent. Marshawn lynch running the football. Our run game was consistent. He scored, he took over that NFC Championship game. Um, Russell Wilson threw a critical, clutch touchdown to Jermaine Curse on a, on a, on a free play where they got the defense to jump off sides on a fourth down critical play, clutch moment. But it's not like you, you have to, to go out there and, and score 40 points and make it a shootout. This defense is going to do their part. They're going to do their job. Can they hold Matthew Stafford in check like they did in the first game? That's going to be another big question in the game. But Matthew Stafford, the MVP of the league this year is what I'm assuming he's going to be named at some point, is not going to go quietly into the night. He's a Super bowl champion for a reason. Him and Sean McVay have been through dark moments. They've been through these big games, they've been through these critical games before. But what they haven't been is in these critical games against this aggressive. Mike McDonald coach defense. And again, John Snyder deserves a ton of credit. And you got to give credit where it's due. He's built this team from the bottom up. And you talk about guys like Charles Cross, Byron Murphy from the last class, JSN from the last class, Devin Witherspoon, you got guys like Ernest Jones that they brought in, that they, that they brought in middle of the season and made him their guy. And now he's a, he's a foundational piece of this defense. Guys like DeMarcus Lawrence they brought in who said he wanted to go pursue a championship, guys like Reek Woolen who he brought in, Kobe Bryant who they've developed. These are home. A lot of these guys are homegrown talents. And then you talk about gray Zable and K9 and all the rest of the guys. It's not like they're just picking a ton of guys off other teams. Most of this team in its core has been homegrown. Jarrett Reed. Jaron Reed was drafted to the Seattle Seahawks. He went and played other places, but he's back home and he's playing fantastic football. There's so many guys that they've got that, that they've developed and coached and really nurtured this, this incredible culture that they have now. And you can see it, the way they talk about each other in these interviews, the way they talk in press conferences. That's the chemistry now.

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[Richard Sherman]

On the other side, the Rams are again not going quietly into the night. They feel good about how they were able to attack Sam Darnold in this offense, but I think again, K9 is going to have a huge impact. They can feel as good as they want. They gave up 38 points in the last time they played, but I think this is going to be a different game. It's going to be a mix of the first two games, but Sam's going to obviously be wary of being careful, being cautious with the football, doing what he needs to do to get the ball down the field and get his team a win, not putting it in harm's way. Canine consistent running game. I don't think they're going to try to be cute. I don't think Clint Kubiak is going to try to get too cute in this game. They're going to hand the football out, football off and try to live in the way you win championship football games in the way it's a proven formula that has stood the test of time. You run the football, you play great defense and you walk off with a win. Obviously they get this win. I think the winner of this game wins the Super Bowl. I think the, the, the Denver Broncos without Bo Nicks. It's a great story. You know, it's a, it's a fantastic story that what they've been able to do this season, what Sean Payton's done, they were the number one seed. Anytime you lose your starting quarterback, it's a heartbreak and a, and a gut punch. I think the same thing about the New England Patriots. Young quarterback that's been an MVP candidate all season long, played fantastic, elevated his team and his teammates. Mike Vrabel and the way he's, he's, he's created that culture and injected life and energy into these guys. But you're running into a buzz saw in this nfc. These, these aren't guys that are playing around. These aren't guys that are, are feel good stories. These are big dogs. And I think the big dogs eat first and I think they, they, they go on the win. But you know the NFL, that's why everybody watches the game because you never know how things will shake out. But that's what I feel.

[Julian Edelman]

Well, the Rams, you know, they've been road warriors these first two games of this playoffs. Going on the road to beat Carolina in a thriller in the same way against the Bears. So they're battle tested on the road. I know they're going in into Lumen field against these crazy twelves. Richard Hard rock bet has this is a two and a half point spread in favor of the Seahawks. I know you said you spec the mix of the two games. Well, I think that's what the Hard Rock bet expects too. I mean these two teams and their two matchups. 58 to 57, the Rams have outscored the Seahawks by one point. The two teams have put up 100830 yards and 829 yards. Respectfully so that shows you how evenly balanced these two teams really are. Obviously they know themselves, they know each other very, very well. Walk me through. What's your score prediction here in this game?

[Richard Sherman]

Oh, that's tough. That's tough because I, I, I have to expect the Seattle Seahawks are going to have a better plan for Puka nkua, who had 12 catches for 225 yards in their last matchup, even with Devonte Adams out of that game. Obviously Devonte Adams is, is going to be well and good and in Seattle present with his pads on, ready to play in this game. So how they defended him isn't the way they're A lot of it was dig routes and crossers and allowing him to catch and run through the defense. I'm sure Mike McDonald is going to do what a lot of teams have done and crowd that middle of that field with his safeties and linebackers and kind of just keep everything in front of him. Make them check the ball down. Make them check it down to Colby Parkinson and Kyron Williams and Blake Corum and allow them to, hey, if Blake Corum and Kyron Williams have 12 and 13 catches between them, you feel good about that. You don't want Puka Nua and Devonte to, to, to get out there and beat you. You want to be able to contain those guys. You want to allow your pass rush to get home and you want to allow them to live in in 10, 11 play drives. Because when you have teams taking 10, 11 plays drives, it gives your defense opportunity to force turnovers. In a game against The San Francisco 49ers, it those were a lot of those turnovers were effort turnovers. They weren't necessarily mistakes by the San Francisco 49ers. You look at the DeMarcus Lawrence fumble that he forced on Brock Purdy when Brock Purdy was scrambling, that was just pure effort. That was just what DeMarcus Lawrence has put on tape week in and week out this season and why this team has so much love and respect for him and what he's brought because he's done that. He came in, he came around and chopped it and brought Brock Purdy gave the football up. You look at the fumble they forced on Jake Tanjes. Again, just an effort play. Just guys going after the football. They were out there hungry wolves. They're hungry, they are attacking. They are finding immense pleasure in running and hitting and causing chaos. And when you get to that point, Mitchell, you get to the point where your defense is just enjoying causing chaos, Mitchell, it don't matter who you play, they in trouble.

[Julian Edelman]

It sounds, it Sounds familiar to 2013, 2014, 2015, when you were playing with the Legion of Boom. I know you guys took pride in the way you played, in the energy you brought to that defense. Richard, what is it like? You've played in three, three NFC Championship games, obviously three Super Bowls. You know, what is it like this moment? I, I know the next one's the biggest one, but what is it like playing an NFC Championship game?

[Richard Sherman]

You know, it was one of the things. And everybody's going to be mad because it's so cliche, but every game's a championship game. And I'm sure Mike McDonald is giving them the same conversation, like, don't treat this game any different than the one before. I mean, all of them are big games. All of them matter. All of them are relevant. You've been locked in. You had to win against the San Francisco 49ers to get the one seat. You had to win to continue the season. You got to keep winning to continue your season. But nothing changes. The field is the same size, you're at home, you're wearing the same jerseys, putting the same pads on, and he's the same guys you faced before. You got a point to prove. You beat him before, you can beat him again. And it's going to take every man just doing their job. It's going to take every phase just doing their job. And that's what they understand on defense. It's about being detailed, stopping, pooping the cool, stopping Matthew Stafford, getting pressure on the quarterback, getting this pass rush, getting home, giving them exotic looks and, and, and being smart about when you send the fire zones. I think Mike McDonald is going to be a little bit more cautious with, with sending those five men simulated pressures because Matthew Stafford was finding those, those, those lanes. That's when a lot of their explosive plays happened. They had 10 explosive plays in that last game against the Seattle Seahawks. And, and I know Mike McDonald was pulling his hair. Some of them are, are just, hey, they had answers for the pressures that you were bringing, and there's nothing the players can do at that point. You know, you, they, they found plays where the DN's dropping in a fire zone, where he's the hook dropper, and that's where they're attacking. And Matthew Stafford is smart enough quarterback, if he can diagnose it and the blitz doesn't get home, he's going to make you pay. And I think that's an important lesson going into this game, is knowing when and where to pressure and when and where to just trust that your four man, five minute, your four man rush and is going to be able to get home and trust in your back end can be disciplined and get these guys covered up. I think there's an incredible chemistry in the back end between guys that have played a lot of football together now. And I think you got to trust that. So I think it is what it is. When you, when you're flying high and you're playing with confidence and you, you, you've been through as many battles as this team has been through, you feel like you're, you're invincible. You feel like nobody can beat you. And a lot of times that's what you need going into this game. They're going to need the twelves to be loud and they're going to need the crowd to be rockets so that the, the, the, the Rams understand that this ain't no walk in the park. This, it is not sweet out here. And I think that's what it's going to come down to. Once they, it's just like against The San Francisco 49ers once there was blood in the water and they felt there was blood in the water, Mitchell. It was like piranhas. It was piranhas everywhere. You at. That's all. And, and, and you don't want to be in that water when the piranhas is eating, when they feast and there's blood in the water. And that's what it was like for the San Francisco 49ers. And I think that's what it's going to be like for the Rams. It started from play one and it'll start from play one with the Rams. And a lot of our NFC championship games, Mitchell, both games we, we started, we were down 10 points early in these games. We were down in both games double digits and we were able to come back and win. So it's not always perfect and that's what battle tests your team. You know, sometimes you have some adversity and these games not going the way you want them to go and you have to persevere. You have to overcome that if you really want to become champions and you deserve and if you are who you think you are. And sometimes that's what allowed us to be the legendary defense that we were because we were against the eight ball. We're, you're, you're put in difficult situations. In both NFC championship games, we started off in our own territory. We, we, we. The first game they, our offense fumbled the first first or second play we're at in the red zone or at the 25 or something and you got to stand up, you got to hold them to a field goal. I think in the Green Bay game there was a pick and haha returned it to the, to the three or four yard line and you got to stand up. We held him able to hold them to field goals. That's when you really are able to showcase what, what makes you special. And I know there'll be a moment in this game for this defense to show why they are who they say they are. And I can't wait to watch it.

[Julian Edelman]

I'm right there with you. Hard rocks, two and a half point line. I personally like the Seahawks as well. I think that they're just riding too much of a. They're riding too high of a wave right now with their momentum and having this game at home. Seeing how the Rams have just kind of squeaked by the last couple games, you know, albeit impressive wins, when you're facing a Seattle Seahawk team that's clicking on all cylinders, I feel like they figured some things out and they're ready to take care of the Rams this game. I got them winning by a touchdown. I think we're looking at like a 27 to 20 game and I, I expect Sam Darnold to clean things up as well. You know, I, again, he's going to have to be more of a game manager this, this time. Get JSN involved. Give the ball to my boy, K9. I like the Seattle Seahawks to go on to the, the super bowl and face the winner of the next game. Richard, let's talk a little bit about the afc.

[Richard Sherman]

Well, this game would have been predict prediction because you, you asked me and I never gave you an actual number. Mitchell, and I feel bad about that. I got The Seattle winning 27 to 17 in this ball game scoring and, and they'll get a defensive score somewhere in there. Mitchell, I need a defensive score. I feel like I can feel it in my bones.

[Julian Edelman]

Give me a. Give me a player. Dude. You extend this one layer more.

[Richard Sherman]

One layer more.

[Julian Edelman]

Is it Nick Emanwari? Is it? No, it's going to be Witherspoon.

[Richard Sherman]

I want it to be Nick.

[Julian Edelman]

Is it Tyreek Woolen?

[Richard Sherman]

Yeah. If Reek. He's not. He's not. He's not going to get caught. Give me Kobe Bryant. Obama's got two touchdowns in the game. Give me Kobe. He already got. Okay.

[Julian Edelman]

27 to 20, 27 to 17. Seattle.

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[Julian Edelman]

All right, let's turn the page over to the afc. This game was supposed to be magnificent until Bo Nix took a knee and broke his ankle. Now the storyline has totally shifted. The number one seed Denver Broncos welcome the New England Patriots, who are a five and a half point favorite per Hard Rock Bet. Richard, I did a little research prior to jumping on the podcast with you today. Did you know that prior to the injury from of Bo Nix. Denver was actually a one and a half point favorite going into this matchup against the New England Patriots. So you see a seven point swing with one guy going out. Obviously it's a big deal losing Bo Nicks, but how big of a deal is it for the Denver Broncos?

[Richard Sherman]

It's huge, it's colossal, it's monumental, it's enormous. Whatever you want to use, it's big. And it's the difference between winning and losing in this league. That's why the quarterback position is so valued and why they pay him all the big bucks and why everybody team is looking for one every single year that can put him in this position to win the football game. I'm not saying anything bad about Jared Stidham, but he didn't get him here and and it's going to be a tough task. It's going to be a tall mountain to climb to expect him to come in this game and play impactful football. But the Broncos have the defense to give him a chance. They've been fantastic, they've been dynamic, they've been making plays all year. They're battle testing, no question about it. And on the flip side, the Patriots Patriots are battle tested. But Drake May was sacked five times against the Chargers and he was sacked five times against the Houston Texans. He fumbled multiple times in both of these games. Put the ball on the ground. There were multitude of opportunities for the Houston Texans to scoop and score and, and and really change the outcome of this game defensively. And I think the same is going to be true for the Denver Broncos. Will Campbell struggled with some of the pressure from, from o way with the Chargers and Khalil Mack and he struggled a little bit with, with. He struggled a lot of it with Will Anderson. But who doesn't struggle with Will Anderson and Daniel Hunter? And I think Edrin Cooper and Nick Bonito are going to cause issues for this, for this, for this offense of the the New England Patriots. And unlike the Houston Texans defense that that struggled a little bit in man to man coverage. No question about it. And I think they would admit that these guys do not. They got Derek Stingley, k' Shawn Booty on a critical touchdown pass late in the game one on one coverage. He beat Stingley and that was a huge play. Not a play. Stingley gives up very often. One of the best corners of the National Football League. And again you go to the next week and you're playing the reigning defensive player of the year and Patrick certain and he does play man to man coverage. He is a tough outfit. And you ask any receiver in afc, any receiver that has faced him, he's going to be there, he's going to be in your pocket. Can you deal with him? Can they deal with that? Is he going to be shadowing or following anybody? But then on the other side, you got our guy, Riley Moss, friend of the program who also plays a lot of man to man coverage. And you know the hardest job in the NFL is playing corner opposite of Patrick. Certain. So what does Vance Joseph do in those situations? Is he going to give him help? Are they going to stack the box? Are they going to, are they going to be able to, to compensate for, for the issues that they have in certain situations. This defense plays aggressive man to man defense. About 30% of the time they mix in different coverages. But most of the time when the game's on the line, those guys are going to be in man to man and they're going to be able to that. That's going to be the, the tale of the game. Can the Denver Broncos offense overcome the loss of Bo, I mean Bo Nick's by running the football and not asking a ton from Jared Stidham. You cannot ask him to win you this game. I think that's unfair and that's unrealistic to think he's going to throw it 25, 30 times and they're going to walk away with a win in this game. They're going to have to get the lead early and then just nurture it throughout the game. You're just going to have to milk the clock. You're going to have to win the time of possession, win the turnover battle. Everything's going to have to go right in order for the Denver Broncos to get a win this week.

[Julian Edelman]

Well, Jared Stidham is sitting behind the Broncos number one ranked offensive line per pff. So you know, they've got that going for him. And RJ Harvey's really come on late here in this year. So they clearly was a good, good rookie draft pick for them. The question is obviously Ken Denver's defense rise to the occasion and make it uncomfortable for Drake May. They're going to have to cause turnovers like you talked about the other game. They're going to probably have to get a defensive score. You know, Drake May will be the first QB to face a top five defense in each of his first three playoff games in a season since Cam Newton in 2015. You know, so that's another storyline here. But obviously the NFL and everyone talking football did not expect that they have a BO nixeless Denver Broncos team as the opponent. So unfortunately, the storyline has dramatically shifted. Can this Denver Broncos defense keep things competitive? And like you said, I like how you termed it, nurture on a nurture home a win when Denver takes a lead. Jared Stidham has been around this league enough times, man, but he has not taken a snap in several years. You know, so the Patriots have got to be chomping at the bit defensively too. You know, they caused absolute havoc and made life so uncomfortable for Street. CJ Stroud. I can only imagine what's going on with Jared Stum right now. That being said, if you are Sean Payton knowing the circumstances, what offensive game plan are you rolling out there to try to combat New England?

[Richard Sherman]

I'm keeping it simple. Obviously, this, this New England defense is, is very variable. They do a great job disguising. You heard the conversation after the Chargers game that the Chargers offense didn't know what they were in majority of the time. You don't want to put a young, inexperienced quarterback behind center and say, hey, I want you to go back there and diagnose this defense and deal out passes. You don't want to do that. He's going to keep it simple. He's going to run the football. It's going to be simple play actions, keep the game right in front of him. Simple reads that he can say, hey, zone side, man side. Figure it out. You know, get guys crossing, get guys in motion so he can diagnose and know what he's seeing early on. Stidham is just going to have to use his legs at times. Like use everything that's at your disposal to win this game. Now, I know the Patriots have to be feeling good. There aren't many times you get such a gift in the playoffs in the NFL where you, where you say, hey, you're going against a really tough opponent, but hey, they just lost the starting quarterback that put him in this position. Can you go out and beat them? I know Mike Rabel is, is, is doing everything to, to tell his team not to take this team lightly. Do not take this quarterback lightly. This is, this is, this is a situation. They can come in here and beat us if we, if we don't do what we're supposed to do. Like, sometimes the biggest part of winning a championship is being who you're supposed to be, not letting your opponent down. Mitchell, when, when people would come in to see our defense, you didn't want to let them down. They knew, hey, this is going to be an ice bag game. And I guess what, Mitchell, we are not going to disappoint them. We are going to be exactly what they expect us to be. We. When they, when they expect to get hit, we're going to be there laying punishment on them. When they expected to get intercepted. I'll be back there, you know, just call my name and I'll be, I'll be there type. Type deal. Mitchell, you got to get a little singing in here. It's that kind of deal.

[Julian Edelman]

But the Patriots, dude, I'll just, I'll background dance with you, ma'.

[Richard Sherman]

Am.

[Julian Edelman]

Anytime you want to sing, I'll just be over here, you know, doing whatever you need me to do. We'll do some choreography off. Off air though.

[Richard Sherman]

No question. No question. Mitchell, I've seen your dance moves and I must say they're fantastic. The Patriots defense is underrated though. They're underrated. They're six against the rush, nine against the pass. They're eight in total total yards and they're number four scoring defense. So we don't talk about them a ton because they don't have a ton of the big names, but the names they do play really high level football. We got Christian Gonzalez at the corner. We got our guy, Carlton Banks, who, who I got to play with. Play on the Saints field with Carlton Davis.

[Julian Edelman]

Richard Carlton Banks is doing my, my dance.

[Richard Sherman]

You're right.

[Julian Edelman]

Hell yeah. Hell yeah. No Carl Carlton Davis. But I need, I think everyone know where you're getting at. Carlton Davis baller.

[Richard Sherman]

By the way, Carlton Davis cd. CD had two interceptions last game. Played fantastic. Again, they play a lot of man to man coverage because he and Christian Gonzalez are fantastic man to man cover corners. But they're also great in zone. Marcus Jones is a fantastic playmaker on that defense. He's. He's had multip. Multiple touchdowns. Sometimes you'll see him on the offensive side of the ball. He's also a punt returner. He had a pick six in the, in the last game. That was a huge impact play that really broke the backs of the Houston Texans. So look for him to continue to make plays. Then you got guys like Spillane in the middle of that defense, Clayvon Chase on guys that, that, that aren't necessarily the biggest names. He was drafted high. He just seems like he's in a great spot and a great rhythm playing where he's supposed to be playing. Milton Williams bar more in the middle of that defense. So stout against the run there. You're not just moving those guys up out of There these guys were highly touted, highly paid free agents that are making tremendous impact and that's why this defense has been so fantastic. They're well coached, they're disciplined, they're ball aware, they have great ball skills in the secondary. They have big time playmakers, they have a great defensive line, have everything. That's, that's why they're here.

[Julian Edelman]

So with that being said, a hard rock bet, five and a half point favorite New England Patriots. How do you see this playing out? Do you think they cover that well, Mitchell?

[Richard Sherman]

Everybody, everybody, and I mean everybody, that's why the movies do so well, loves a fairy tale. They love a happy ending. They love when Cinderella, the, the the abused young lady stepsister gets to be with the prince at the end and it's happily ever. This ain't one of them stories, Mitchell. I got the New England Patriots coming in in Denver and winning comfortably. They will impose their will on the Denver Broncos offense. The lack of of quarterback play is going to be the difference in this game in my humble opinion. I think the Denver Broncos defense does everything they can, just like the Houston Texans did does everything they can to keep their offense in it. But eventually they are getting worn down. Too many possessions, too many three and outs for this offense. I think Mike Grable is going to stack the box. He's going to have eight and nine people in this box to stop this run. He's going to dare Sean Payton to drop back and throw and punish this defense with Jared Stidham. Will he be willing to do that? Will he be willing to play a straight shootout game with Jared Stidham? I don't think he will and I know that's what Vrabel is going to be expecting is that they're going to run this ball early and often. I don't think that Denver is going to have enough to win this game. I got the New England Patriots winning this game 21 to 15.

[Julian Edelman]

You and I see eye to eye. I too think that New England is going to be too tough a task for them. I think, listen, Denver is going to be lively. It's going to be a very hype environment with all those fans. Everyone's going to be an us against the world mentality with Jared Stidham at the helm, but I think it's just too much to overcome. You know, defense is probably going to make a handful of big plays but Water is going to find his level and New England Patriots are going to be marching onto the Super Bowl. Look for Hunter Henry to have a big game this weekend. That's a weak spot in this Denver defense. They've allowed almost 60 yards a game to opposing tight ends. We saw Dalton Kincaid go off for six catches and 83 yards and a score last weekend. So, you know Hunter Henry, a seasoned veteran for the New England Patriots, I. I like him a lot. And then that tandem at running back Travion Henderson and Ramondre Stevenson, they've been clicking of late. So I, I think this offense, and we've seen the growth of Drake May over the last, you know, second half of the season. It's time to put to rest the claim that the Patriots only good because their schedule's soft. I think they're actually really good and I wouldn't overlook them in. In a matchup. What we're calling right now is a Seattle Seahawk against New England Patriots Super Bowl. I would not overlook them as a worthy opponent for the Seattle Seahawks. You got a young Drake May. This would be an awesome story for the Seattle Seahawks to overcome the New England Patriots again, Richard, It's.

[Richard Sherman]

It's just giving me flashbacks and, you know, it's great memories, but then it's trauma. You know what I mean? Trauma? You're talking about the New England Patriots. Yeah, the Seattle Seahawks and NFC west opponent's field, Mitchell. We were in Arizona. They're in Levi's Stadium. They're in. Oh, oh, oh. But this is. This is. We talked about exercising demons, Mitchell. That will be a Super Bowl. That demons would be exercised. Mitchell. That would be an exodus. Mitchell. Bring it back. Avenge us. Avenge what? Okay, sorry, Mitchell got carried away.

[Julian Edelman]

I'm going to say one thing, Richard, and I want you to react. You know, jive with me here. You can react, you know, facial expression. You give me a one word answer. You can give me a paragraph. You give me a full chapter of a book. I don't care what goes through your noggin when I say run the damn.

[Richard Sherman]

I don't want to talk ball. I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to talk about it. Mitchell. I don't want to talk about it. Mitchell. Mitchell. I got a hat. They made me get a hat.

[Julian Edelman]

Run the ball.

[Richard Sherman]

Mitchell. I'm make sure I wear this hat to hope. Run the ball.

[Julian Edelman]

Kenneth Walker. You know what I'm calling it right now? Kenneth Walker, super bowl mvp. Done. You want to talk about exercising demons, Richard? Kenneth Walker should have been at the Heisman ceremony, man, and he wasn't. That was bullshit. He's going to win the super bowl. Mvp. Jot. It down now. We're going to timestamp this for later, but run the damn ball.

[Richard Sherman]

You heard him.

[Julian Edelman]

I need one of those hats.

[Richard Sherman]

Thanks. Thank you guys for joining us. We know you could be anywhere in the world, but you're here with us and we surely do appreciate it on this, a championship week in the National Football League. We appreciate you guys joining us. Love you. See you next time for the super bowl preview actually for the championship recap because we gonna figure out who going to the big game. We'll see you next time. And again, as always, hit that sub button if you knew.

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