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Richard Sherman
Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast and today we have a legendary guest, a 2919 Pro Football hall of Fame inductee, one of the most dynamic and dominant football players to ever play in the National Football League. 15 seasons of domination at the cornerback position, 12 pro bowlers, 12 pro bowls, 7 all pros and a member of the 2000s all decade team champ. Appreciate you joining me brother.
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Champ Bailey
Hey man. Good to be in the presence of greatness, man. How you doing?
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Richard Sherman
I'm great, I'm great, I'm great. I got you on the show. I'm feeling good. It's a, it's a beautiful day for me. So much great football to talk about.
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Champ Bailey
Let's get to it, man.
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Richard Sherman
Let's get to it. So we'll start it. We'll start it with what was your welcome to the League moment? Because I think people Forget, you know, as great as you are and as great as players are, everybody has that moment that. That introduced them to the National Football League, where you're like, oh, okay. They real out here, you know, the
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Champ Bailey
older I get, the more it becomes a season. Instead of just one moment, it was more like, okay, my whole rookie season, if I look at that body of work and who I had to deal with, I had to deal with some. Some dogs. First game of my career, Michael Irvin got it. Now, I haven't done anything in the league at this point. Daryl Green was the man, you know, on the Redskins at the time, and they gave me the assignment, and I'm like, damn, okay. And it was more about our size, right? I was bigger, he was bigger. And, man, look, Michael Irvin would do this thing. Now, he was good, really good. But now if. You know, he wasn't that fast, but he was deceptive and he was strong. Great blocker. And speaking of blocking, he would do this thing where he would come off the ball and just headbutt you. So you gotta think back then. I'm seeing stars. That ain't no concussion, you know, that's. That's just part of the game. So I had to deal with that. So that was a welcome to the league moment. Later in that year, I had Eric Moles. Now, a lot of people forget about Eric Moes, but I always have to remind people, man, this dude was a straight dog, country boy, stronger than ox. And I never forget. I don't know if he was mad at me or what, but I locked up with him on a run play. Man, that dude had me over there past the Gatorade. Like, I though it. And I never. The main thing I remember about it is I tweaked my shoulder, and that's really what made me kind of go limp. And he just took advantage of it. But, man, my shoulder has not been the same since. You got to think that's rookie year. And there was another moment earlier in the year where I chased down somebody on a damn kickoff return. I'm on kickoff, I chased somebody down. And then we're. We're in at the Meadowlands. And this was when they had that astroturf like that, that carpet. And I. And I stripped the ball. Paul popped out. I stuck my other arm on his waist to tackle him, and, boy, I drugged my arm on that turf, and I just had rug burns, like. And you already know, man, and it was in my. Like, in my elbow, like, it was all in here. So every time I Stretch it out. Oh, my God, it was the worst. But anyway, man, it's always a collection of moments. You know, I got, I gotta say, I thought I was somebody. And then you hit that rookie wall. And then, you know, we went on this little playoff. Well, we went on this run to get in the playoffs and we won our division. Last game of the year against the 49ers. Man, it was, that was the only time I went to the playoffs as a Redskin. But I never forget it because it was an up and down season. Man, them boys taught me some lessons that year.
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Richard Sherman
Right? That's, that's exactly how rookie years go. I mean, I remember I didn't start until the sixth game of the season and it was really because everybody else got hurt. It wasn't because, you know, I was, I was a 5th round draft pick and everybody in front of me just went down, dropped like flies, bang, bang, bang. And they threw me in there against Cleveland and I'm, I'm wet behind the ears. I'm just out there like, hey, I'm pressing, putting my hands on everybody, and I'm just gonna survive and tackle everything moving. And I just remember, like, even the guys you don't even think about, like the fans, I can't say we don't think about as good because everybody in the National Football League is good, but the fans don't think about as like, oh man, this guy's gonna be a problem, or problems like just because you don't know them as big names, household names. Every receiver in the National Football League has something dynamic about them. There's something, there's a reason they're there, and there's something that's going to give you trouble. So my rookie year, I just remember having so much respect for everybody after, at the end of the season because I was like, everywhere.
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Champ Bailey
Oh, yeah, everybody's good.
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Richard Sherman
Everybody's good.
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Champ Bailey
Yeah. That guy that, that you see on tape blocking all the time, he, he'll write you, write you up. They give him something.
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Richard Sherman
They give him something.
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Champ Bailey
Don't sleep. But you can't sleep on anybody.
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Richard Sherman
Nobody. Nobody. But, but like we were talking about earlier, the game has so, so evolved so much. Who's your favorite DB in the league right now? Obviously you watching Denver pretty closely. And certain is, is still the top of the class. I mean, Christian Gonzalez put on the show in the super bowl, but those
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Champ Bailey
are two right there, right? And certain is, you know, hands down the best. He's, it's really his body of work, you know, he's obviously good right now, but he's done it for four or five years now. So to see him be so consistent, I mean, it's been amazing to watch because I never see him. I never see him get really tricked or just dominated. Like, nobody's just like, we all had our moments where guys are just catching the ball, like, yeah, dang. Like, what am I doing? This dude, he really, he really handles his own on a consistent basis. And you mentioned Christian Gonzalez. Yeah, he popped up on my radar. I was. When he went to the Patriots when he got drafted, I was like, okay, I don't really know this guy, but I like his size. I like the way he moves. You know, then he had his rookie season and then they made this playoff run, and I really got to watch him. I'm like, okay, this kid could play. And I just like the fact that he, he makes plays, but he's hungry enough to want to match up and do all these other things that they ask these high profile corners to do. And, you know, he's on my radar for sure now. And there's, there's other cats I like. I like my guy, Denzel Ward. Like, he consistent. Been doing it for a while. AJ Terrell. I'm here in Atlanta, so I get to see him a lot. So these dudes here, they're fighters to me. Like, they're not the biggest, but I mean, they play with the biggest. And, And I love their game. I love to watch.
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Richard Sherman
Yeah, it's. It's fun. It's. It's been so much conversation about the, the shadowing the receiver and following and all that. And I remember it was, it was big and prevalent during the time I played, and people didn't try to give me my just do because they're like, oh, you didn't follow everybody. You didn't do this. And I'm like, bro, I do what the coach tell me to do. If you tell me to go get him, that's who I go get. They tell me to play this coverage. That's what I play. I go to the coordinator, be like, hey, can we play, man? Every place. So they stop talking. Guess what? He don't. He don't do it. You know what I mean? They call what they gonna call, you
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Champ Bailey
know, And I was one of those guys, like, I was like, damn, I wish he would match up. I wish they would let him match up. You know, that's what. Because. Because to me, matching up exposes you in different ways. Like, if you can't just be one thing so it gives you the opportunity to display your talents. And I never forget you matched up on Antonio Brown one game. And I was like, okay, this is it. And for some reason I'm watching this game. Like by the time I retired, you know, I catch games here and there, you know, but I watched that game and I was like, oh man. And I knew Antonio Brown has issues with long corners. So for me I was like, this is going to be a challenge for him. You know, just once I noticed it and you held your own and you know, you got to think that dude was on top of his game at that time.
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Richard Sherman
Yeah, I think he had 1800, 1900 that year.
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Champ Bailey
Oh yeah, he was. He was doing it. So every week you see that. You expect that to happen against you. You. You held it down. I give you a lot of props for that one.
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Richard Sherman
I appreciate that. But. But that, that was the thing about the, the, the whole deal. Because when you played, they, they would let you guys do it. But the fans think, oh man, you following. You guys just run cover one the whole time. It's like nobody. You play cover one when they call it. But you don't just play, man. Just cause I travel over there don't mean I'm in man to man. And at times it's a coverage identifier. It exposes a defense. If we do. Every time I move around with him, we ain't man. And I'm just giving us away.
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Champ Bailey
And that's what I'm saying about how you can show how versatile you are. Because you can't just play one side, match up with somebody and not know how to play inside. You got to know everything. And that's one thing I always prided myself on. I want to know every position in this, this room. Because if, if my guy goes over here and I'm inside, I want to know what the nickel has to do. Because I know we can't play man the whole time. So if. If that's going to discourage you from calling a zone play when I'm inside, then, then that's gonna mess up the whole game plan. So I gotta be versatile. And I was just lucky enough that I always played with coaches that allowed me to do it. I mean, there was a few. I had to kind of talk into it, right? Other than that, I mean, but I had established my reputation at that time. But I came out the gate, Michael Irvin, buddy, like, okay, I just took that challenge, man.
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Richard Sherman
Right. I took it every time they called on it. You know, there was a couple of Times they called me to do it with Julio. AJ yeah, Antonio. They. A lot of times in 2013, the year we went to the super bowl, they would call it for specific games. Like, we had Anquan one year, and it just made sense. Like, I'm following Anquad. I'm in the slot, I'm outside, third down. They going to him. That's where I'm going to be. Like, me and Anquan. Let's, let's. Let's dance. And Anquan. Anquan was one of them ones too, that nobody gives no credit to.
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Champ Bailey
Straight dog.
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Richard Sherman
Straight dog.
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Champ Bailey
Yeah. I never had to deal with him much because when he was in Arizona, I. I would. I was on fits a lot, right? Yeah, right. Another dog. And then, you know, when he got to Baltimore, they put me on the speedier guy, Anquan, and I think Chris Harris had him. I mean, it's the back end of my career, but, you know, he. Man, that dude, just watching him in college and all the shit he did because he played against my brother, and I think it was a sugar bowl, man. He just. Dude was doing everything for Florida State. So when he got to the league, I was really anxious to see how they used him. And, boy, they did not disappoint. That dude was a straight dog, man.
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Richard Sherman
He was tough to deal. Super strong. You talk about the head butt release and all that. He was all that and mean and mean. You know, some dudes out there just seem like they just got an attitude the whole game. And you're like, hey, bro, I don't know who. Who did something to you, but, hey, you ain't. I'm one of them. You ain't about to. You ain't about to be bullying me out here. I heard that. Hands on you. But I had to deal with Fitz all the time because he was in our division, so. Boy, you talk about hard lessons. My rookie year, I'll never forget. I'll never forget Larry Fitzgerald. I'm pressed up. I'm like, this Larry Fitzgerald. Like, I'm about to make a name for myself. Last game of the season, I got him. They threw one up. I almost picked it. I'm like, oh, I'm strapping. And they always had him in this, like, motion cut, split, like, allow him to be free so he. They force you to back off. And that's how they got me off of it, boy. They backed me off. That boy ran that spray release post.
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Champ Bailey
Gotcha.
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Richard Sherman
Got me one hand over the middle. Like I said, who this boy is Nasty. And then I pressed him. Later in the game, we're in OT and I'm pressing him and he cooked the back of my helmet.
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Champ Bailey
Like he didn't move.
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Richard Sherman
And then hook the back of my helmet, boy, next, you know, I'm chasing elbows. And I said, so.
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Champ Bailey
So he got by you. So he did that to me. They call OPI on his ass.
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Richard Sherman
That's cause you was a legend. I was a 5th rounder.
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Champ Bailey
See what I would do, though, I would go tell the refs, like, if I see stuff on film, I go to the field judge and the back judge, I'm like, look, this dude does this, this and this. Like you're gonna think I'm holding him off the line, but he's grabbing me first. I'm just trying to move my feet. Now if I let him go now, he's just gonna run right by me. So I can't let him go. I'll be damn if he didn't throw that flag in the game. I'm telling you, those little conversations used to help me every now and again. So it was necessary.
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Richard Sherman
I was telling. I was telling Terion Arnold Insertan, because they do this podcast together.
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Champ Bailey
Oh, yeah.
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Richard Sherman
And I was telling them, boys, I said, get to know them refs, them side judges in the back. Just know their name. Just know the name. That'll go a long way in these games. All you need is one warning.
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Champ Bailey
Yeah.
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Richard Sherman
Hey.
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Champ Bailey
Hey, John. How's the family? I mean, whatever, bro. It's. Those relationships matter. I don't care where you are in life.
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Richard Sherman
I don't exactly. I feel the same way. I feel the same way. I wanted to talk about this because you've said so much of the game, about the game, and you mean so much to this game, and, and you're such a legend. Your. Your voice has such impact. Now, you said at times you feel like this game is fixed by these refs and the things they do in the flags and. And sometimes the fans take that and they're like, yeah, see, I told you. It's. It's fixed. And it's like, he didn't mean it like that. What? He what? And I want to let you clarify, but as somebody who played the game, the only people who can affect the game in that way or the refs, like, people are like, the players. Like, it ain't no players in this game fixing this game.
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Champ Bailey
Nah. No, never.
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Richard Sherman
It's impossible. It'd be damn too, too hard. You'd be sitting your ass on a bench before you know it. But if every time an offense has a big play, a ref throws a flag, you can have a tremendous impact on that game. It only takes two, three 60 yard touchdowns coming back that, hey, that offense might not score again.
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Champ Bailey
Yeah, I mean, here's the thing. I, I don't think there's some conspiracy or anything going on, but that, you know, the rest, the refs do affect the game. I mean, one way or the other. Now I got to tell you, since I've been retired, you know, the more I have to convince people like, no, it's not fixed, it's not fixed. Now you see things happen and you wonder, but again, like, refs are human. They're going to make mistakes. They're not going to get it right all the time. I just always felt like there needs to be more attention on the development of refs and you know, even some, some guys I know that play that are refing now and it's funny watching them out there because I know how they used to feel about the rest. I'm not gonna name them, but, but, but you know, it was always interesting, you know who the refs are, but I always made it a point, like I said to, to talk to the refs and build a relationship with them because they are the judges. It's no different if you're in a courtroom. Who, who's making the decision to hit him? The person right in front of you, like, okay, they better like you on some level in order to get some calls to go to your way. That was always the case. I mean, it's, you see it in basketball more than anything, right? The superstar is going to get the calls. So it is what it is. And that comes with anything you do in life, man. People are always going to favor the ones that they've seen do it over and over again. That's just, that's just how it is now. I don't, I, if I said that, I don't remember saying that the game is fixed or the refs are fixing the game. I don't know, maybe, maybe you didn't
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Richard Sherman
say it like that. It was just, it was just, you were just like. I could see how people could feel that way.
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Champ Bailey
Oh, absolutely. I could get that. Of course, especially when you're on the losing end, you know, and, and I try to be objective about what I see regardless, because I'm a big dog fan now. There is no team I root for harder than my Bulldogs. So whenever we have is, I'm sitting there yelling at the rest just like everybody else. I'M sitting there saying, oh, man, they must be from Mississippi because Ole Miss won. You know, so it's. I'm the same way. But then I, you know, I calm down and I. You know, I get real with myself and just realize we didn't play well enough.
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Richard Sherman
Right. Right. You set the standard for cornerbacks. I mean, you. You got 12 Pro Bowls to your name, the most of any corner in the National Football League's history. You got 203 PBUs during your hall of Fame career. Looking back, what do you think really set you apart from everybody else?
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Champ Bailey
Practice. You know, it's funny. Like, the 203 breakups. I mean, it's one of those things I'm really proud about because it lets people know, like, how many times I got my hands on the ball. Right. But it was the way I practice, and it was. It was nothing. It wasn't something that I thought about my first two years or even worried about. It was just what I did. And then I never forget, Marty Schottenheimer was like, man, I've never seen a guy get his hands on so many balls in practice. And I'm, like, just out here doing what I do. Like, I'm still young. I'm 23 years old. I don't. I mean, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm just out here playing. This is what I've been doing since I was 8 years old. This is. This is who I am. But then when I got to Denver and Mike Shanahan, I never forget, I dislocated my shoulder my second year there, and Mike Shanahan took some film and was just showing the team because I came back to practice that Thursday. I didn't miss. I think I missed the Wednesday practice, came back Thursday, and I was practicing out there with a harness on. Yeah, I didn't miss no time because at that point in my career, I hadn't missed a game. I hadn't missed no game until my sixth season. And I came out there and I got this thing on my arm, and I'm practicing hard and diving on the ground and breaking up balls. And he took that film and showed the team, and he was like, this is how you practice. And that's when it really, like, clicked. Like, damn. You know, I'm glad that I'm the guy that he's pointing out, but I just never realized, like, how important it was to be a great practice player. So I always prided myself on making sure that I set the example by what I did. Right. I'm a leader at this point. So the way you practice rubs off on people, period. And. And to me, to be honest, once I got later in my career and the bumps and bruises started catching up and I wasn't able to practice, my play declined. So now I'm not as good now. And I contributed all that, you know, declined to practice and obviously father time a little bit, but I wasn't able to continue working at a high level in order to stay sharp, you know, and get my skills and. And make sure I'm prepared every week. Man, I would take Wednesdays off, I mean, because I was hurting, I was tired. So that's really what forces a lot of guys out of the game. And I just saw one of my favorites, slave, retire. I mean, I'm like, damn, boy, that father Tom is undefeated because he was just top of his game two years ago. Like, right? So now you start seeing he moves on to Pittsburgh and then you just, man, look, it's nothing that you could do about that. That clock ticking. It ain't never stopping for nobody, nobody.
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Richard Sherman
And. And that's such a great point because I think that's lost on so many people in this nil era, and it's in this highlight and clipped era is just consistency at practice. I think that was what gave me the most confidence when I was playing. It's. I practice really hard. I knew what was coming. I knew what I would see. I knew how my body will react. And then I go into the game and I feel good. I'm like, hey, I know I practice and gave myself the best possible chance I could go out here and let it hang. But when you don't practice, I remember I had a couple of weeks where I got Nick and you. Like, I don't feel as good today because I didn't go out there and put my body through it and know that, hey, I'm ready for this moment. I do this. I earn the right to play the way I want to play. And still I put up. I still play pretty well. But as you said later in your career, the less you practice unless you feel good, the more your game feels like it's starting to slip.
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Champ Bailey
It's inevitable, bro. It's inevitable.
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Richard Sherman
It is.
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Richard Sherman
The game is evolving so much. And I remember watching you and Dion and Charles and, and all the the great DBs that came before and watching y' all study the game and manipulate the game and bait quarterbacks and take the football away in the way that y' all did. And I remember like, oh man, I can't wait to get to the league and, and study. I took so many nuggets from the things you guys said in interviews and the things you guys did on the field and things you, the way you played. And I tried to put them into my game, but then the game changed. Then the game changed. Then they. Now they're protecting quarterbacks. Now quarterbacks aren't, aren't putting the football up the way they used to. Now the routes aren' same. Now the game has evolved. So much talk about the game and how you see it now compared to when you play.
- [27:20]
Champ Bailey
Yeah, well, like I said, man, the quarterbacks are a lot smarter. They are highly protected. I mean, that is the prize on the field, so to speak. Like, yeah, they have their moments where they're not playing great, but quarterbacks quickly fix those issues. Now I can contribute a lot of things to them understanding the game better a lot sooner. You know, there's more information. You know, they there, there's quarterbacks playing 7 on 7 at 8, 9 years old. Like nobody really knew like who the quarterbacks were when we were growing up. It was more, yeah, he could sling it, but you don't really notice that till like high school, right? And then you start, you know, people start watching you now you developing, man, they got quarterback coaches coming out the womb. So it's, it's one of those Things. But, you know, I think the reason, you know, we made so many plays back in the day compared to now is I just feel like we had more versatility. And it wasn't just me, myself, Charles Woodson and bigger names. I mean, you can, you can think of a lot of guys that aren't in the hall of Fame that used to make play. Dre Blythe, I mean, Aaron Glenn, I mean, T Buck, like these dudes were, were ballers, made a lot of plays, right? Because I feel like they were more real rounded athletes as well as the game was a little different. You know, quarterbacks were, you know, running play action, they trying to get the ball down the field, we picking it off. Quick game, it was easier to see. So the game is a little more complex. Was a little more complex. It's a little more complex now than it was back then. But I feel like the athletes that play corner, like, I didn't play corner until really till I got to college. I didn't, I didn't play corner until I got to college. Even then, I didn't have a coach teaching me technique. It was a technique that he wanted for that defense, but it didn't translate to the NFL. I learned corner by, by sitting under Darrell Green and having him pull me to the side. That's who taught me really how to play corner. And you gotta think we had ball skills. I was playing offense. I mean, Dion, same thing. He played quarterback in high school, so did I. Darryl Green, just well rounded track athlete. Just one of those, like. So when you think about all the different, you know, athletes that played corner, we all did something else before we ever got outside the numbers. Like, it was just. I felt like when you pull that out, like when guys just start. Cause all these corners, like, my son just went to this Under Armour camp the other day. All these dudes been specializing in corner since probably middle school, right? I'm like, well, you can't just be that. Like, continue to work on your hands, continue to understand the game from both sides. Like, don't just be one dimensional. So I often feel the game has changed, but also the way corners approach the game has changed as well.
- [30:17]
Richard Sherman
I can agree with that. I think that was one of our biggest assets is playing receiver and recognizing and understanding the, the route concepts, the combinations, knowing the west coast and, and how it's like foundationally, like what the, what the offense is thinking in these situations. 3rd and 5. Hey, in a bunch, like, this is the quarterback's progression. He's going this hook, this Snag route to the flat. If you pull out and that corner sits on that, he going to the seven. If you go back, he's going to the flat. If, if he has man, he's going to the front side to the, to the ram concept. Whereas there's the sit and the dragon. And I think that helped me so much because like you said, you, you didn't play till college. I didn't play till I was a junior. I didn't play corner until I was a junior in college and, and nobody really taught me how to play. So I just kind of used my knowledge of offense to like put me in positions. But my pedal wasn't great because I was never like a true like corner corner, you know, so I couldn't really like I'm six three with big feet. I mean, I'm not about to sit in this pedal and be able to transition the way a 6 foot 511 corner is going to be able to. Who's played corner for the last 10 years is going to be able to transition. But I want to get to the same spots. So I would, I would maneuver my body in a way that I could put myself in position to almost be a receiver at corner. Like, hey, I'm about to put my body in a position where I'm about to just run this route for him. Like, I'm just going to bang, get out of this break and then go get the ball because that's the way I can still get it covered. And I think that's another reason why my game was a little more unorthodox to people. And it didn't just look right on tape to people because they're like, man, I want to see like, Sir Tan is the most beautiful tape you gonna see. Football league. That boy is pure.
- [32:00]
Champ Bailey
Yeah.
- [32:01]
Richard Sherman
That if you put him in 1970 or put him in 2057, like the most pure tape you're gonna see at corner.
- [32:07]
Champ Bailey
Yeah. And what I try to tell people too is there is no blueprint on how to play the cornerback position. Like, everybody has to make it their own. Like what, what you were good at. I probably wouldn't be. So, you know, it's one of those, it's one of those positions where you almost like, this is what Daryl Green did to me. He watched me practice for, I want to say about a week or two. And our coach would just tell us to go over there and just talk and just, you know, just talk about stuff. Go, go through stuff. So he, the reason he watched me because he wanted to know what, how to teach me basically, like what, what is going to resonate with him, to his game, his length. Because we were totally different body types. So he knew that with my long arms it'd be, it'd be beneficial if I get my hands on people. He was never that guy. He wasn't. He was the guy that's gonna stay in your hip pocket, stay on top of you. You can't run by him. He's that guy. So he took that part of, of my game, of, of his game and inserted into my game. So that's when I learned like understanding that hands are great, feet are better. Like if, if you start with your feet, then your hands will come. So. But he didn't know that until he really watched me. He could have went up there and tried to teach me how he knows it, but that doesn't relate to me. Like, so every corner got to figure out what works for them. There is no book now. There's some things that are constant. Your feet, your footwork, that's always going to be important like how you move in your body position. I can't teach you how to make picks. Like, you know, I get you to the point where you probably in position, but when it's time to make a play on that ball, that's you.
- [33:50]
Richard Sherman
That's the moment of truth.
- [33:52]
Champ Bailey
That's the moment of truth for sure. Like you either make the player, you don't, I don't care if you're in position, can you make the play? And that's what, you know, bottom line, right?
- [34:00]
Richard Sherman
Thinking back to your days at Folks Folkestone and Georgia, when did it hit you that you were better than most of the people around you? You know what I mean? That you were one of them ones.
- [34:11]
Champ Bailey
I'm a running back at heart. Like I played running back all through high school. Even in, you know, my. Well, I played quarterback, but we were more like a running back at quarterback. We didn't throw the ball. So my first carry in my life, 60 yard touchdown. That's when I knew, seriously, hey, first touch 60 yards. And I just real, I was always faster. I had an older brother, three years older. I was always faster than everybody and I saw my brother do it. So everything he did I kind of wanted to do too. So I had that impression upon me, you know, in my house. Like he inspired me to want to get out there, but I also knew I was fast, I could run. I wasn't the fastest, but I was one of the fastest. And. But I was also Tough, like, so once I got out there, man, and I just, it was, it was inevitable. Like, everybody just knew, like, oh, yeah. And then from then on, when I was 8, I was probably the most talked about athlete in my town. All the way through high school for the, for the next 11 years, that's all people talking about.
- [35:20]
Richard Sherman
When you were eight.
- [35:21]
Champ Bailey
Dude, it was. That's exact. But we, we are a football town. Like, we. I'm talking about 3,000 people. You know, it's a very small town, so everybody knows everybody and beneficial to me. That sort of insulated me. Like, people protected me. So when I was in the streets, it was, you know, I still found ways to get in trouble, but at the same time, it wasn't too harsh because people fought for me. So, you know, so when I think back to that time, it's like, man, I had the path laid out for me, but I had to see my brother do it first. I don't. I think if my brother didn't do it, I wouldn't be. I probably wouldn't be where I am now. Like, he kind of pulled me up, like, pulled me. I was never going to be as fast and strong as him until I became an adult. We went to college together, started together, all that. But still, it wasn't until that point that I knew I was bigger, faster and stronger. And I had a better, a higher ceiling than he did. But again, I always put him on that pedestal because, I mean, without him, I wasn't going nowhere.
- [36:22]
Richard Sherman
That's crazy because I feel the same way about my brother. And he's three years above me. Like, everything he did, I just wanted to be a little bit better at what he did. Like, I found myself. I wore the number four because respectfully, yeah, like, he was doing track. We never ran track in our lives. He started doing long jumping, triple jump. I get to, I mean, high school, I'm like, I'm about to break his long jump record, triple jump record. Like, I just. Whatever he wanted to do, that's what I'm. What I'm on. That's funny. That's funny. When you were. When you think about yourself in your absolute prime and you, you at the top of your game, is there a certain game or play? I mean, you got that 100 yard pick six against the Patriots. That, that's one of those plays that I want to ask. Yeah, that's been Watson's claim to fame.
- [37:09]
Champ Bailey
My dog. Oh, man.
- [37:12]
Richard Sherman
But is there a play that sticks out in your mind as, like, our game where you like, man, I was just in that zone. It just. Everything went right that day.
- [37:21]
Champ Bailey
Probably against Arizona. It was just a game, man. It felt like I was out there floating. Like it was just. I just knew everything that was coming. I think I had a. Had two picks in that game. It was maybe my first or second year in Denver. That was just hot. Like, everything was sticking to me. Ball come my way. Bam. Pick.
- [37:40]
Richard Sherman
Was that the 10?
- [37:42]
Champ Bailey
Yeah, it was either 10 or the 8. It was back to back seasons. So it was either 05 or 06. It was. I can't remember what year it was, but I just remember that game because I stole a pick from John Lynch. I mean, I'm. I wasn't even supposed to be there. And balls selling. I think it was Matt Leinert or somebody throwing the ball. I can't remember. And I just jumped up on it. Lynch is right there and he just. Oh, he was so mad. But it was just one of them. I picked a slant right in front of Anquan. Like, it was just one of those games, man. I just. I was on fire. And that's. There was a few games like that. We played the Saints once, man. Drew Brees lit us up for about 460. I. I never forget because it was just bombs away. But he didn't do anything against me. And I always knew that when I played Drew Brees, he wasn't gonna try me. He was just one of those. Like, he. He is just not going there. And he did not go there the whole. He threw one ball at me and I broke it up and he never came back the rest of the day and. But he ate us, He. Everybody else. So he was killing us that day. But we still won the game nevertheless.
- [38:50]
Richard Sherman
Right?
- [38:51]
Champ Bailey
But it was just. Just moments. I. I'm sure there's more games. But that. Those two seasons, though. Oh, my God. Like, it was. It was just. It wasn't easy, but it wasn't. I made it look easy.
- [39:06]
Richard Sherman
I love that. That's how. That's probably my 12 and 13 when. Because you had 18 and those two. I had 16. I had eight nations to back. And it just. Everything that you touch turned to gold. I remember. I think I had a month where I had six. Like a November where I just. I had two picks. Two picks. Two picks. I was like, y' all better stop playing with me. I figured it out. Like, leave.
- [39:28]
Champ Bailey
Yeah, I think there was. You know, there was one. Damn dog. You now you reminded me of stuff. There was one stat where I had like five straight Picks in the red zone or something or. No, it was five. Five straight games with a pick to start the season, and then I had like five in the red zone or something. It was just weird. Like that's never been done or something. I'm like, damn. You know, really, you know, I'm just out there playing ball. Like, I. I had no idea, but I just felt like so on top of my game. Like you just couldn't fool me with anything. And, you know, I had Shanahan at the time, and he was just a players coach, like really laid back, but intense at the same time, all about practice. So he. He favored everything that I was good at. Practice, you know, being on time, good teammate, you know, not very vocal leader, but a leader, you know, like, it's. He. He was. He was by far my favorite coach because of how he allowed me to be me.
- [40:26]
Richard Sherman
Kyle. Kyle is very similar. Everything you just got you there. Yeah. Yeah. We went to the Super bowl in 19, and I had an all pro season that season. And that was. That was late in the career after the Achilles, after I tore my Achilles. And you talk about having to adjust your game, like, after you. Look, I was. I was 4, 5.
- [40:45]
Champ Bailey
I don't know how you did that. I don't know how you did that. I just like, oh, he's done. What? Achilles at corner. I gotta give you a lot of credit for even trying to come back.
- [40:57]
Richard Sherman
I appreciate that. I appreciate that. It was. It was tough. It was tough, but it was just all mental at that point. Like, it was all like. You talk about knowing what's going on in front of you, knowing what's coming, knowing where. Where I could put myself in positions I can be in, knowing stuff I can't get. Look, if he stutter his feet right here, and it ain't a curl, I. If I break, I'm done. So, look, we.
- [41:20]
Champ Bailey
I know that feeling.
- [41:22]
Richard Sherman
You got one guess.
- [41:24]
Champ Bailey
You got one guess. You either go. Go deep or you stop in here. It's not one or the other. It's not both. I'm not. If I stop, I'm stopped. I know that feeling, man. I know that feeling. That's how I was when I hurt my foot and I came back. I never forget that first game. I tried to come back. I was like, oh, no, I don't feel it. Like, I felt good working out during the week and I tried to come back, man. I missed two more games after that. I was like, I'm not trying to step on that field till my mind is Right. Like, I have no confidence in my foot.
- [41:55]
Richard Sherman
That shit is crippling as a, As a player, when you know your body can move a certain way. When you. When you out there disabled and you ain't got the, The. The. The explosiveness and the things that are usually at your. At your discretion, boy.
- [42:09]
Champ Bailey
Nah, it's nothing like when you get old and then you get hurt, and then it's already bad enough because I'm older now. Now I got to try to fight through this injury, man, that. It just hurts your mind. Like, how do I trick myself into being ready? Like, I mean, think about it. The year y' all won the super bowl, when y' all beat us. Dude, I, I, I. I didn't feel it at the time, but when I reflect on that game, that was the last game of my career. But when I reflect on that game, I was like, I should not have been out there. Like, I shouldn't miss starting. Well, I probably could have played 20 snaps, but not 50. Like, there is no, no. Like, what am I doing?
- [42:49]
Richard Sherman
But the competitor in you.
- [42:52]
Champ Bailey
Yeah, I would never be real with myself because I just. Not at the time. Like, now. Hindsight. Yeah. But at the time, I'm just thinking, like, yeah, I'm pushing through this. This is. I feel good. I'm. Hell, no. What am I doing? Chris Harris got hurt. It was over. I was like, oh, damn. At the moment, I was like, damn, damn. I can't. Damn. Chris got hurt at the wrong time because it was the playoff game before the championship game, and then all of a sudden, here I am, back in the starting lineup. I'm like, man, I'm not. I'm not equipped for 60 plays anymore. It's just not me. Like, 20 plays, I got you. But, no, I should not have been starting.
- [43:28]
Richard Sherman
But you don't have it in you to quit. You don't have it in you to say no.
- [43:32]
Champ Bailey
It's. And that's. That's the good and the bad of it, right? Like, you know, that's. That's the reason I was who I was. But, man, you know, people often ask, do I. Am I mad I never moved to safety? I'm like, not really, because there's only a lot of. A few of us that can say we only did corner, you know, it's only a few. And I'm like, I'm one of them, so I'm gonna be prideful about that. And Daryl Green's very good at reminding everybody. Yo. Yeah, y' all suckers went and played safety, you know, it's just one of them things we could jab at the guys that prolong their career by moving. Like, and I get it. Like, I saw d' Angelo hall do it. I mean, Charles Wilson did it the best. Yeah, I mean, it's it. I wanted to do it, but I just never did. Nobody put it in front of me, nobody said it, and I never lobby for it, so.
- [44:21]
Richard Sherman
But I still think that's the reason the Woodsons don't get. They just do at corner. I think that's the biggest reason people don't get. Like when they say the the best corner to ever play, they, you know, they talk about you, they talk about prime, they talk about, you know, all these guys. But Charles Woodson and Darryl, I mean, and Rob Woodson were in that conversation. But they moved to safety and got so many picks and became almost known for that kind of versatility that people are like, oh, they just DBs. They not just corners.
- [44:49]
Champ Bailey
And it's like, okay, here's my take on the young Woodson, Charles Woodson and you. I would say Rod Wilson is right behind him.
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- [47:49]
Champ Bailey
Wilson is the best DB to ever play the game. Like when you talk about top to bottom, what it takes, tackling, taking the ball away man to man. He did all that at a high clip. I don't care if he played safety like, but when you talk about his body of work and what he did, what do you play? 18 seasons. I mean the Dude. And he started his career. I think he was in a holdout, and I think he got hurt his rookie year or something. Maybe a second year. Somewhere down the road, he got hurt. So he's dealt with all this stuff and still put the best DB campaign I've ever seen on tape. Like, he. I mean, you gotta think I modeled my. I was a year behind him. He played both ways in college. So did I. So I tried to do everything better than him, but it was a hell of a. It was tough to do every week. Like, the year he won defensive player of the Year, he just. Just pick six. Pick six. I'm like, God damn, man. Next thing you know, he's at 60 picks. And then I retire and he's still playing. I'm like, well, God. Like, come on, man.
- [48:56]
Richard Sherman
And stole five that season.
- [48:58]
Champ Bailey
Oh, my God. I mean, the pick he had against the Broncos when he jumped, and. And it was right over demarius Thomas, and. And he landed on his back. I think it's one of the sweetest picks I've ever seen. And I'm like, how is he doing that at 90 years old? Like, what. What is going on? The dude just eating right, man. And he's a football God. Like, I mean, I put him on a pedestal. Like, hands down, complete defensive back, Charles Woodson, the best ever. Agree.
- [49:30]
Richard Sherman
Agree. Not even a discussion. Like, it just pure. You talk about just what you were talking about earlier of just football players. Like, he's just a football player. You put him on the field, he's going to play football. He's going. He's going to make plays. He's going to be around the ball, he's going to take it. He's gonna be football players. Whether it's safety, corner, you really don't know what position yet because he out there playing football.
- [49:51]
Champ Bailey
Yeah. And you can't. And you can't tell people watch him. No, because what he. The way he did it. I remember when I started playing inside and he had been playing inside for a while, and I'm like, man, this shit is not as easy as he makes it look like. I think he just. It's his mindset. And then he just got this relentless attack to go get the ball. It's like. I mean, come on, man.
- [50:16]
Richard Sherman
I remember we went to the Pro bowl together, and we were sitting there talking because he was my idol. He was the one. I was like, man, I got to be like, Charles Woodson. I want to do everything he did. Like you said, it's way harder than Than it seems. But he used to talk about, like, hey, just make the game easy for yourself. Make it like you're, you're a corner that has no athleticism. You just need to watch the game. You need to understand every concept. You just need to understand what they doing. Like, you got no athleticism and still be able to make those plays. And that's the way I played it. But he told me, he was like, the way I attack the ball is when I'm going to tackle. I know they're not leaving without it. Yeah, he said, so when I go in there, I'm grabbing the ball and if they leave without it, then it's staying with me. And you can go wherever you want to go, but you're not leaving without this football. And if I do that, most times, that's four or five force fumbles a year. That's two or three interceptions. That's. I said, charles, you making that sound way easier than it is. But that's a simple way. Yeah, I can respect it. I can try.
- [51:10]
Champ Bailey
You and you sound like the typical young guy trying to get some real Nuggets, but, you know, but on the flip side, he can't explain how he's doing it. And I remember young boy, young corners used to ask me all the time, like, how do you drive on that dig, how you do this, do that? Like, bro, it's just experience. Like, I can't really tell you what's going to happen all the time. I just, I can watch film, I can identify tendencies. But when I'm out there and I've got that body of experience that I have behind me, that's what enables me to break on this the way I do and see things coming before it happens. Like, I can't, I can't really tell you. Just be very good with what you know and then hope you get enough experience to be great, you know, when you really got that knowledge. Because it was just. I see young corners now. If you don't understand football, it's harder for you. Like you, you got to understand football. And football is not a complicated game. We make it complicated. We do, because we're trying to trick one another, but it's really not complicated. Like, if you, the corner, stay outside, run, play, don't cut it, but make it cut. You know what I mean? But I see a lot of corners chasing from inside out. And it's, it's, it's weird because they need to have that experience in order to then be good, know what they're doing. Yeah, yeah, that's the only way you teach yourself.
- [52:34]
Richard Sherman
What, what. So I wanna. This is for young guys out there. I want you to explain during your prime and, and everything's going your way. This is. Champ. Champ. What did a week look like for you in your prime as a number one corner? And like, what. How much film, how much off the field stuff? Taking care of your body? Or was it just natural ability?
- [52:55]
Champ Bailey
I know you say you practiced hard, 90 natural. Honestly, I didn't really start like doing extra stuff, like as far as, you know, just. Just core and things like that still. I started getting these soft tissue injuries. I always, you know, dealt with something, maybe an ankle here or there, but I never, like I said, I never missed a game until my sixth year in the league. So that's when that all kind of started coming about. Because I used to watch John lynch do it. He was on his way out the league and he would do all these little extra things, core, all this stuff, you know, just. Just body maintenance. And I didn't adopt that until after he left. Before that, like, when. Those years when I was really doing it, maybe from my fourth year, maybe my third year, all the way to about my eighth and ninth year, it was just a lot of film, you know, But I always practice hard, you know, I never took days off. It was just one of those things. I prided myself just being present, like, just being there, just making sure. I keep putting in the work. The film was the film. We watch film in, in. In the meeting room, but I'm. I'm watching twice as much at home, you know, so it's. It was always that I didn't do a lot of the chiropractor and all that. Like, I, I just didn't. I. I don't know why. I didn't take a lot of, like, supplements or anything. For one, some guys would get popped for supplements, and I don't know if it was intentional or accident, but they would say it was an accident. So I was always afraid of it. So. And I was. And I prided myself on not putting too many toxins in my body. Yeah, I would have a drink here and there, but other than that, I wouldn't do a whole lot. So it was. That's just who I was. I was a football junkie. Like, I loved the game. And I honestly think that mindset is what translated on the field. And that's what you saw as somebody who just loved being out there. You gotta think, my whole life I would never be on the sideline until I got to college my first two years, and then I. I ended up playing more offense, and I was never on the sideline again. Then I got to the league, and I had that same mindset. So I played some offense in Washington. I played some in Denver. So I always was just a football junkie. I wanted to be on the field. That's what I knew. And it didn't take a lot of extra stuff to get me ready for a game. And now when I look back, I wish I would have done more. Maybe I would have played 18, 19 instead of 15. 15 is enough. Don't get me wrong.
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Richard Sherman
15 is more than that.
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Champ Bailey
Oh, especially right at corner, like.
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Champ Bailey
But, you know, that's just who I was. I didn't. I didn't try to overthink the process, and I saw guys doing a lot, and, you know, a lot of them were marginal players, so I was, like, thinking like, that that might be what's keeping them here. You know what I'm saying? So. So it is what it is, man. Everybody has to figure out what works for them. It's no different from playing the game. Find out what works for you. There's so much you can take from greats, but it. It still has a work for you. And that's. That's just who I was.
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Richard Sherman
It's so cool to hear you talk about the things on the field, because it is something about being on that field on game day and. And certain things, it just makes sense. It's like. Like a puzzle piece is fitting together. Like when you at the line and you like, oh, his mannerisms. Oh, he's about to run a deep ball. Like, oh, he's way too excited right now. Like, oh, I could.
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Champ Bailey
Yeah.
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Richard Sherman
Oh, this is. I. I feel him. I feel. Where we going right now? I feel.
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Champ Bailey
Yeah.
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Richard Sherman
Okay, let's go. Let's dance then.
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Champ Bailey
Like when we used. When we used to play the Steelers, they had. Man, they used to have so many tails, and it was just. It was basically because they had Ben Roethlisberger, and he was just. He just had a cannon. Like, he could fit balls into any. Any space. And they. They kept their offense basic. Every time it was a Mike Wallace. Every time he lined up inside, he's going deep. So it was just, like. It was, like, so predictable, but it was still hard as hell to stop.
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Richard Sherman
Right?
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Champ Bailey
So. So it's just, you know, you get a feel for all that, and sometimes teams ain't trying to trick you, so you just got to get a feel for it.
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Richard Sherman
And you Got to trust your instincts. Like, if it Feel like if it walked like a duck, quack like a duck. Look, it's not a chicken. Yeah, Trust it. Trust it and go.
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Champ Bailey
They don't want to trick themselves either. So it is what it is.
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Richard Sherman
That. That was so. And you talked about not getting targeted with. With Drew Brees. That's how it was with Aaron and Tom. With me, like, we get out there, and Aaron, they start running.
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Champ Bailey
I saw that.
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Richard Sherman
And signaling everything he put me up, they'd be on the backside, have a receiver. He wouldn't even signal a route to him. I'll be sitting there, like, is he gonna signal it to you? I'm waiting for it. Because it's either this. He gonna wrap, scratch his back. He's gonna scratch his face. He's gonna do his thing. I know the routes. He needs to signal you something. So they just run, jog, or go route. And I'll be like, okay. So you just.
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Champ Bailey
It's funny you say that. You. Y' all were playing Green Bay, and I. I swear, Aaron Rodgers didn't look over there one time. He might have. He might have peeked over there and went back the other way, but he never looked over there one time. And I never played against Aaron Rodgers except once in the preseason. And he. And he. During the play, I think they made a play. They walking down the field, he was like, you think you're getting some balls today? You're not getting nothing. You know, it basically just kind of messing with me because he knows not to target there. And I never get. You played Tom Brady. I mean, you talking all kind of during the game, pre game, post game. I'm sure it was a lot of fire, but I never forget. He threw that one up, and you picked it. I'm like, damn, he got one ball and got a pick. But no, that's. But that's how. When. When you're on top of your game, that's what happens, man. And you. You. It was just perfect because I was watching you closely because you were just making plays. I'm like, let me see what this dude doing. Oh, damn. Aaron Ross is not even gonna give him a chance next week. And here go Tom Brady. He don't even give you a chance. One chance, and you pick him. Like, man, let's do the real deal, champ.
- [58:50]
Richard Sherman
It means so much that you watch me, man. You have no idea. That means so much to me.
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Champ Bailey
Are you kidding me?
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Richard Sherman
Come on. So much.
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Champ Bailey
Come on, man. You super bowl champion. You.
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Richard Sherman
You. You. The. The accolades. I mean, College hall of Fame, NFL hall of Fame. Just one of the best and most gifted to ever do it. And it's just like when you watch certain guys on tape, you. Like you said, everybody got their unique skill sets. I couldn't move like you moved, you know, I mean, if I wanted to.
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Champ Bailey
Yeah, look, I couldn't do what's all different, man.
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Richard Sherman
It's all different, but I can make the place. I can still get my hands on a football. I can take it away. I can make the kind of impact that you were making. And that's the way I try to, to, to factor it in for myself. Like, hey, I don't have to be like them to make the plays that they're making.
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Champ Bailey
Yeah.
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Richard Sherman
See what they're seeing, recognize it, trigger like they're triggering, get to the spot that they're getting to and catch the football when it, get, when it gets in your hands.
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Champ Bailey
Yeah.
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Richard Sherman
That's the big part of this game that's changing. Like, even easy elite corners that's getting paid all this money, there's so many of them, and they're doing a great job. They're covering, they knocking the ball down. They're in great position. But you look at them, McDuffie just got paid $31 million a year. Three. Three career picks. Like Sauce got $30 million. Whatever he got, I think he got. Yeah, but they're just not catching like you were saying earlier. Like, they're just not catching. It's not like they're not getting in position. They're not making plays. They're playing great defense.
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Champ Bailey
Yeah.
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Richard Sherman
They're just not catching them like they used to. And then on top of that, these quarterbacks are risk averse. They're worried about their efficiency numbers. They don't want to be getting killed on Twitter because they, back in the day, they throw five interceptions, three touchdowns. As long as they won the game, it's good. Now you throw five interceptions, three touchdowns. Even if you win, they gonna. They're gonna be killing you. Talking about, hey, you stink and you bad and social media is gonna kill you. So.
- [60:33]
Champ Bailey
Damn. That's a whole nother element that I didn't really think about. Yeah, the criticism is there and it's fast.
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Richard Sherman
And that's. That's the part that I don't think gets enough credit about just playing in this era with, with all the analytics and all that. Like, people were scrutinizing my game to the point where they're like, he. He gave up two catches to this, and it gave up three catches. To this, and it's like you. You re watching every clip and every posture and everything in my game, and then you look up and it's like, for my career, I gave up 49.8% of the passes thrown my way. I had 37 interceptions and. And gave up 16 touchdowns. Like, yeah, that's. That's what it is. You know, it ain't.
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Champ Bailey
You know, anybody would live with those stats.
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Come on, you gotta, gotta live with them. If you were, if you were building the perfect db.
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Richard Sherman
are some non negotiable what are three non negotiable traits they gotta have?
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Champ Bailey
Well 1. Confidence, extreme confidence, athleticism and playmaking ability. You know it's one thing to shut somebody down and not let them catch it, but you got to make plays. Like I'm all about the playmaking, right? And you know, I heard Asante Samuel talk about, you know, him making a lot of plays. I mean I agree with him on one hand man. Look, you got a lot of picks that's got to be respected like it is. It's hard to take that ball away now he's a little younger than me and he but he played in my era and you know it. It's definitely different. But again, like I think he would still make plays a day if he was in his prime. So I give him a lot of credit for for bringing that up because I don't want people to Think you know, that it's all about picks. But at the same time, man, that is highly important to me. Like, but without confidence and athleticism, you ain't making no plays anyway. So give me that first and then the playmaking ability to be a close third.
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Richard Sherman
I, I don't understand why they don't give. Because why they don't give him credit. I don't, I really don't understand that. Like he got over 50 picks, he didn't give up over 25. Touchdown. I think he might have gave up 25, 26. It wasn't like the way they, they, they show his picture and the way they talk about Asante Samuel, like he had 51 interceptions and he gave him
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Champ Bailey
50 touchdowns like that, that it's just because he's loud. So, I mean, he says what he's, what's on his mind. People don't like that. You know, it's just, it is what it is. I mean, he had a great career. Now is he better than Prime? No, I would say no. But you know, at the same time I'm listening to his argument because I know he was a high level corner. Like the dude was one of the best. So, you know, so I'm listening to what he got to say and give him that respect because it, what he did wasn't easy. And you know, it's, it's one of those things, man, he made his career off taking the ball away and he was one of the best to do it.
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Richard Sherman
Yeah, I agree, I agree with that. And I, I think that's, that's, that's something that got to be valued. I, I would like his name to, to be mentioned in the hall of Fame, you know, even if he get in 15 years later, I think, you know, during a time where it's hard to take the ball away, he took it away and he played that gambling game where, where he'd have to pick sixes and give up a touchdown. And, and if you're, if you're a corner, I'm living with that.
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Champ Bailey
Yeah.
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Richard Sherman
If I didn't have two pick sixes and I gave up one of the.
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Champ Bailey
Yeah, give me that. I'll take that too. I'll take that all day.
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Richard Sherman
Right. Who, who do you think during your time you played against some of the greatest. You talked about Mike Irvin, who was the greatest receiver that you played against. And it don't got to be a big name.
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Champ Bailey
Oh man, you know, well, it is a big name. I, I would say Randy was the most talented to. Right there. Nipping at his heels, Marvin Harrison, because he had Peyton Manning and he was still talented as hell, but, you know, Peyton made it even harder. And I, I like to mention guys that, you know, you don't really think about, like Jimmy Smith, like, straight dog. Like, he was, he was just one of those guys, man, when it was third down and eight and they needed it, he's getting the first down, like. And I thought I could stop him, but I didn't. You know, from time to time he catch that ball every time. But, you know, it's just, he's just one of those guys that get, you know, sort of lost. Steve Smith, another good one, straight dog. But it's hard to take my attention off Randy Tio Marvin, because I saw them a lot and, and often and they were problems.
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Richard Sherman
Right. That's. That's how it was with me. Julio.
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Champ Bailey
Oh, yeah, you got some dogs.
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Richard Sherman
Megatron. Megatron, bro.
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Champ Bailey
Aj.
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Richard Sherman
Aj.
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Champ Bailey
Oh my God.
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Richard Sherman
AJ don't get enough credit. No, but when you get out there with Megatron and you see some of the stuff that he's putting on tape, you see three guys freaking guarding him. He just. All three.
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Champ Bailey
And you're like, yeah, I had to deal with him. I was a little older, but he definitely gave me problems. I tell you that.
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Richard Sherman
Because you're all a 6. 6 and running real fast.
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Champ Bailey
I don't even know now. I don't even know why he's a receiver. I mean, he should have been a quarterback, tight end or something. I mean, edge rusher. Yeah. Coming up today, he would have been an edge rusher, no doubt.
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Richard Sherman
No, no doubt about it. Would have been making $150 million.
- [68:57]
Champ Bailey
That was illegal.
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Richard Sherman
Illegal. It's. You got to play with Peyton. Sorry, I just keep. You got to play Peyton during that crazy year you played against him as an opponent. How crazy was it to watch him have that record setting season as a part of that team? Like that just. It just looked like a special you talked about.
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Champ Bailey
It was unreal, bro. It was, it was just crazy because he was just on point and people forget, like, we had weapons too. Like you talking about Wes Welker Thomas, Bubba Caldwell, Eric Decker. Like, we had some, we had some players, but you know, he was just on point and they worked like he, he put the work in. I think he was really hungry trying to get that, that, that next championship. But, you know, unfortunately he didn't have a defense to match that year. But they had a historical offensive season. I mean, it was just one of those, like they were just on Point and catching everybody off guard, and it was. It was beautiful to watch.
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Richard Sherman
Yeah. I remember us watching it on tape, preparing for that game, and it was just like they were running people off the field. They were literally running people off the field every game. Like, corner, you know, people getting up to the line, they don't. They don't know what play they running. They can't communicate. And Peyton's just sitting there surgical.
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Champ Bailey
Yeah. Yeah.
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Richard Sherman
10 yards.
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Champ Bailey
Yeah. He. He'll out think anybody, so, you know, you got to find a way to get to him. If you can get to him, then. Then you can create problems for him. But, man, when he was on and he's in that pocket clean, nobody's better, right?
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Richard Sherman
Look, that. Look, a couple years later, they. They made up for it. When he wasn't at his best, that defense. That defense carried him to a championship and got him the ring he deserved.
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Champ Bailey
But that's. That's what wins championship. Stops, like, you get stops, you win, period. I don't care how many points you score, you got to get stops. And if you can. If you can create. Wreck havoc on defense and create problems for the offense. Yeah. Nobody's beating you. Yeah. Because it's hard as hell to stop people. So when you do it, it's. It's demoralizing.
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Richard Sherman
It is. And every year you see it, it's some great defense showing up in a Super bowl, beating the hell out of somebody, and they like, oh, my God, defense wins championships. Like y' all did not see. Have y' all not watched the history of this game? Y' all just. It like, seemed like every year y' all just realized that defense wins championships in the Super Bowl.
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Champ Bailey
Yeah. That's all it is. I mean, I. I'll never say anything different. You know, even though this. This league is geared towards making the offenses great. It's all about defense. It's. And that's why the Broncos are going to be a problem for a while. They keep that defense the way it is. I don't care what they do on offense. They always gonna have a shot. And Seattle as well. Them boys are good, man.
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Richard Sherman
They play. They play a solid brand of defense. So did you see that debate we was having? The best defense ever? The no fly zone, Legion of Boom thing.
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Champ Bailey
Yeah. Yeah.
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Richard Sherman
So who's. Who's your best defi. Not just including those two, but who's the best defense that you've ever seen play or your top five, I guess.
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Champ Bailey
Oh, that Ravens defense in 2000 was stick. Now, I did. I am old enough to remember the 85 bears, so. So I will say that you got.
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Richard Sherman
You got to put them in there.
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Champ Bailey
It's hard to rank them, but I'll. I'll throw a few in there. That Broncos defense for sure, y'. All defense for a course of three or four years. I mean, Jesus Christ. It was a problem. Let me think. Who am I missing?
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Richard Sherman
Tampa 2000.
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Champ Bailey
Geez. Hold on.
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Richard Sherman
Yeah, I'm trying to try to get you, bro.
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Champ Bailey
Hold on. That, that, that one. I can't ignore it. They had some talent on that defense. Yeah, I ain't going that far back.
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Richard Sherman
Okay.
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Champ Bailey
I'm trying to say because. Only because I didn't see it, but that 2000 Tampa defense, I mean, you got. You talking about John Lynch, Rendez Barber, Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks, Simeon Rice. I mean, Booger McFarlane. I mean, they. Come on, dude, they were stacked. I mean, and I was. I was pretty much raised by them. They put us out the playoffs my rookie year, but damn, I mean, it's. I would, I would live with that five I just mentioned. I mean, I'm sure there's another one in there that I'm forgetting, but, man, there wasn't much better defense than that, and I wasn't part of any of them, so. All good.
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Richard Sherman
Stop. Stop.
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Champ Bailey
Hey, man, Look, I had 13 D coordinators in my career, so that. Tell you. Tell you what, I was exposed to for the most part.
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Richard Sherman
That's. It's so tough to play great defense with all that. Like, how many different schemes did you play in?
- [73:31]
Champ Bailey
I played 3. 4. 4. 3. I mean, I mean, everything, dog. You name it. We played it like I was doing everything. I mean, we played a lot of, man, a lot of zone one year. Like, I mean, it was. Was just. It was everything. And. And I. And I played with a lot of greats too, though, so, you know, I got no complaints about my career. It's just, you know, I was never on a great defense. Like, I. We had great moments, but not as a. As a whole. Nah, never.
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Richard Sherman
Now, to finish off, I gotta. I gotta talk about your off the field and your off the field passions. And obviously you're in the film industry. Like, after you got done playing, what. Where did your mind go to and how did you end up getting into film?
- [74:15]
Champ Bailey
Well, just through my connections. Just so you know, the writer, director Glenn Owen is a Georgia guy. He played basketball in Georgia. He was a walk on there before I got there, so. A little older than me, and he just. He convinced me to get involved and it was something that, you know, if I was going to do something out of the ordinary for myself, it had to be with somebody I cared about or somebody, you know, I could relate to. And he was one of those guys. So I've been doing that. That's the first feature film I've done. I'm doing a lot of like consulting work, basically working with companies. And I find myself at the damn state capitol a lot because of my bulldog connections. You know, all the politicians are bulldogs, right? So it's, you know, it's a different conversation when I walk in the room, you know, than the typical lobbyist walks in the room. So, you know, so I find myself doing that with this medical cannabis company, Peach State Health Plan, which is an insurance company, and Okefenokee Swamp park, which is a park by my hometown. So I do a lot of Georgia based stuff because, you know, that's one thing I wanted to do was come back home and really tap into this network. And it's been beautiful, man. And I just kind of do deals now. I will reveal something that I missed out on. You probably not even aware, but. But maybe you are. So prize picks just sold for like a couple billion dollars, right? And the founder, big bulldog fan, right? He gave me the opportunity to invest and I missed and I passed on it and they just sold it. I was like, yeah, that's how I felt yesterday when somebody told me, I was like, damn. And, and I. And the guy, I love the guy. Like, he was, he was a great dude. Like, he sharp about what he wanted to take the company. And it wasn't until I saw those commercials and I'm like, damn. I guess he took in big money, so. And then a couple years later, here he is selling it for a couple billion dollars. I'm like, man, come on.
- [76:19]
Richard Sherman
When people approach you with deals like that is it. And, and I don't mean to get in your finances, but I just want to educate young dudes or young viewers that might be watching about different ways you can approach coach endorsement deals. Do they ask you to invest your capital or are you selling like, hey, I endorse this with name and likeness and you give me a certain amount of equity and shares to be a part of this company.
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Champ Bailey
Well, as you know, most people think it's money, right? Most people want money. And I'm always like, well, I like your brand, I like your company or whatever it is, I can help you, but I ain't giving you money. Like, I bring value in other ways. Like I can introduce you to people I got a strong network. I mean, I. I could do this or that, but a lot of times people need money so that. That conversation can't be ignored. But I can often help you get the money, right. Like, it doesn't always have to come out of my bank account. And I had to kind of learn that because, you know, as you. When you retire, you realize, damn, I missed out on a lot of. Yeah. So my. My mind was never about anything outside of the game. You know, I wish it was, but it wasn't. I wasn't raised like that. I just focused on what I was doing. But then, now I realize my impact is much stronger than what football tells you. Like, when you're playing, everybody sees you, so that's. That's probably the most popular you're going to be. But when you retire and kind of go back into you and fall back into your network, you realize that value exists in a different kind of way. And what matters now is how I used to treat people when I was in school. What matters now is how I've treated people when I would come back home to Georgia, because I live here now. Now people can tell me about those experiences, and it's not a negative experience for them. And I'm like, damn. Well, that was just half the battle. Right now, I just need to get smarter about what the hell I'm doing. So, you know, your strong network and building bridges is really what propelled me to get all these opportunities. Now I'm looking at one or two deals every week. Like, there's always something. I'm. I'm. I got a good group of people around me in different pockets. Everybody's good at something, you know, so it's. You know, I try to keep myself flexible and not fill up my schedule too much, but at the same time, I love what I'm doing because I'm connecting people and I'm in rooms I want to be in and things like that. But it wasn't. It didn't start out that way. I kind of had to get there. But, yeah, when I look at deals, I'm trying to figure out how to get in this deal without writing a check first. But everybody coming, they're already thinking about how much I could write a check for. So.
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Richard Sherman
Right.
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Champ Bailey
You got to fight that battle a little bit.
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Richard Sherman
See, that's. That's one thing I'll say in my career that I was very cognizant of is. Is using my brand as my, My. As my capital.
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Champ Bailey
And.
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Richard Sherman
And if I'm sitting here saying, hey, I'm going to endorse this. This young, fledgling company. Then, hey, you give me, I don't know, 55, 000 shares, which is half a percent of your company, and I will sit on the board and introduce you to all these people. I'm sitting in the meetings with you to. To get you the capital that you desire because my name and my. Gives you credibility, like having Champ Bailey associated with it, having Richard Sherman associated with the. It gives you credibility to get in these rooms that you couldn't necessarily get into, these conversations you couldn't necessarily get into without these names associated with it. So that is value. That's more than.
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Champ Bailey
Hell, yeah.
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Richard Sherman
The hundred thousand dollars or $150,000 that I'm gonna invest in your company. This is. So you give me those shares for me to make that impact. And that's the same kind of impact. Appreciate you. Appreciate you jam. This went long.
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Champ Bailey
I'm sorry.
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Richard Sherman
I appreciate it.
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Champ Bailey
All good.
- [80:06]
Richard Sherman
I enjoyed this for you, man, anything.
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Champ Bailey
I appreciate what you've done for me, man. I reached out to you, and you ain't hesitate one bit to reach back out and provide me what I asked for. Like all I need now. All I need now is my Richard Sherman jersey, and we'll be good.
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Richard Sherman
I'm gonna send you a text. You send me the address, it'll be in the mail.
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Champ Bailey
Let's do it. Let's do it. I appreciate.
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Richard Sherman
Send me my champ.
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Champ Bailey
I want.
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Richard Sherman
I want the Denver one.
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Champ Bailey
Don't worry. When you send me my youngster, you'll get yours.
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