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Richard Sherman
I ain't mad at you. Go ahead. Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast. It's the offseason, which means news is flying every day, so we got to give you more more often. And this week we're hearing that DK Metcalf wants to be traded out of Seattle. He wants a new contract. We got the news of Tyler Lockett. We got Joey Bosa getting cut. It's so much going on. Mitchell, thank God your Detroit Lions are out of it for a change.
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Mitchell Schwartz
I was going to say, man. I mean, right after we wrapped the last podcast, we. We check out for about an hour or two, and then you log back in and you see Tyler Lockett gets cut. You see DK Metcalf trade. You see Joey Bosa gets cuts. This is the off season. New free flows throughout it. And we're here at the Richard Sherman Podcast to give you our thoughts and impressions. Let's start with Seattle. The big, big news is DK Metcalf allegedly wants out of town. You know, they have JSN there. They had Tyler Lockett last year. It looked like a position of strength, but now DK requests a trade. Richard, where is your head at with this? Because it. It seems like it's. It's gonna release some ripples. I mean, we've seen it with other teams. Tyreek Hill did something similar at a similar age. Devonte Adams did something similar when he got out of Green Bay. What do you make of this DK Metcalf news?
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Richard Sherman
Well, I'm going to take it back a few layers, Peel back the layers. If you look at last season, you could see the focus was on JSN and getting him the ball and featuring him in the slot and, you know, targeting him. And he was the most targeted receiver on that team down the stretch when big games, big plays, they were going to him. And it seems like that's the way this franchise wants to move. But then you look at this offseason, and they fire Ryan Grubb and, you know, pick up Kubiak, and they talk about wanting to run the football more and focusing on the run game. And if you're a receiver, that is not what you want to hear. Especially coming off a season that you felt like you probably wanted the ball more, needed the ball more. I don't. I don't know many receivers that never that ever feel like they got the ball enough. And so if you're DK Metcalf and you're looking at this situation and you're saying, hey, you guys want to run the ball more? You want to feature jsn, how now I'm in the prime of my career, and you're going to be pretty much relegated to this in this offense. I want out and I want more money. And again, it comes down to leverage. It comes down to him being able to stand 10 toes down. I mean, holding out isn't really an option. Guys hold in now. You know, showing up to Training camp, showing up to minicamp and not playing is an option that guys have, have, have used and effectively and gotten the things that they wanted because it's harder to punish a guy that's holding in, that's in, in the building every day and, you know, going to meetings, doing treatment and just isn't playing. You know, this is going to be a real fork in the road for Mike McDonald in his Seahawks tenure. He's going to have to make a decision. If you give him a new deal, does it set a precedent that, hey, you know, all you got to do is, is, is ask for a trade and you get a new deal, or is he going to trade him and say, make the, make the, the stand that, hey, you come out disgruntled. We're, we're going to, we're going to do what's best for this organization, this team. Nobody's bigger than a team. And then you trade him away and do you trade him where he wants to go and show a guy who's, who's. Who's done well by this franchise loyalty, or are you going to just trade him away to one of the worst teams in the league and kind of give you, you know, hey, you know, you like the Patriots used to do, they trade everybody to the Browns. It's going to be interesting and I want to see how it plays out. You know, can they play hardball and say, we're not going to do anything, we're just going to make you play? I don't know. It seems like that will create distractions in the locker room, create more drama and, and, you know, a franchise that's trying to get back to the playoffs and trying to get back to relevance, you lose a franchise icon like Tyler Lockett in the process. A veteran presence, a guy who's, who's just a do right, do things right, always reliable guy in the locker room, you losing him and have getting this news on top of that. So there's just a lot of, a lot of moving pieces that, that have to be navigated at this point. And, and I'm, I'm interested to see how Mike McDonald does because this is an important off season for him and John Snyder. What is John Snyder going to do? Are you going to be bullied into trading him away where he wants to go, or are you going to stand your ground? What are you guys going to do? Because how this moves is going to impact a lot, and you have to do it before the draft in order to get the draft picks to use for this year's draft, you don't want to get wait till after the draft and get draft picks next year. That can't help you this year. DK Metcalf is a real life bonafide number one receiver for you right now. And people can argue maybe JSN is starting to transcend that. But if you don't get picks that can help you this year, you have made a mistake.
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Mitchell Schwartz
Well, that's just it. And we look at some comps. I mean let's talk about A.J. brown. When he got dealt similar situation. Tennessee chose not to pay him. They go ahead and trade him to the Philadelphia Eagles. Richard, that return was a first and a third. They went on to use that first round pick, number 18 overall on Traylon Burks. We've seen how that's played out for Tennessee. So. And then you look at the other side, which I already referenced. Devonte Adams requesting a trade out of Green Bay, gets sent to the Raiders for a first and second. That didn't necessarily work out all that well for the Raiders. I don't know if they would have done that trade again in that situation. And then you look at Tyreek Hill, a first, second, fourth and a sixth, you know, and Tyreek, it was at the top of his game, much like DK in his prime. But I don't know if the Dolphins go back and do that deal. So like the Seattle Seahawks are seeking a first in a third. I mean what team do you think takes the bait, if any?
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Richard Sherman
No team takes the bait because no teams that desperate. You know, I think teams are realizing that, you know, there are their receivers are needed and they're important to these offenses and you got to have two good ones. But there are good ones you can find for not $30 million. And if they can get him for this price, you don't want him disgruntled. So do you immediately pay a guy who has not played for you yet 30 plus million dollars? Do you increase his salary when he hasn't? Teams have done it in the past and I've never agreed with it if I was an NFL gm. I'm not paying anybody until you play for me. I'm not giving you an extension until you show me and you can argue about it all you want. Then don't come to my team because until you show it on my team, I'm not paying you an extension. I can franchise tag you, I can control you. I can, I can do what I need to do to keep you. You know, I think that's always A slippery slope. But it's tough because the amount you have to give up to get players like that, you're giving up both draft compensation and financial compensation. That's what makes it a bad deal for a lot of these teams and it handicaps them going forward and they don't realize until it's too late. I think at Most you get 2/3 for him. You know, something like that. Maybe a third, fourth, sixth combination, something like that, where there's a throwaway pick in there if somebody wants to give them a receiver in exchange, a third and another receiver. You know, I think I've seen that floated around with the Green Bay packers potentially shipping Romeo Dobbs out for DK Metcalf and adding a third round pick to it. You know, that's something. But again, what president is that setting in Green Bay like, hey, he's the one. Everybody who's been here, grinding, working, doing that, you guys are behind him. He's the big dog. And you know, sometimes that ruins culture. So I think DK is a great player and deserves the money and deserves what he's asking for. But is it going to make sense for a team to do that deal? That's what it's going to come down to. And I'm not sure there's a lot of teams in terms of a first round pick that are willing to do a deal in regards to that. Now if you go in third or beyond, I think it's more reasonable and I think teams will be willing to hear that.
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Mitchell Schwartz
And again, as you reference, it's not necessarily about DK the player, it's what you're signing up for. In addition to that, you're going to have to pay him a ton of money on top of the draft capital you're giving up.
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Mitchell Schwartz
But if Seattle, Seattle is able to swing a deal for dk, sending him out of town, they're certainly going to be in the market for wide receiver help. They go on to cut one of your very good friends. I know you have a lot of respect for Tyler Lockett, Richard. He, he's, he's one of the all time greats in Seattle. I know the fan base loves him. He's a class act. Any interaction I've ever had with him, he's a great guy. You can speak a hell of a lot better to it, though. What's your reaction to this Tyler Lockett news? Did you see this coming?
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Richard Sherman
You know, I guess you see it coming eventually, especially with Seattle Seahawks. I think it was Quandary Diggs who said something on Twitter, you know, about Seattle and they're great players and you know, they never allow them to retire with them. You know, they always cut or trade. They're great players and this is just another example of that. It's unfortunate, but, you know, the fans of the city are always like, man, you know, it's better for us to get rid of them. It's like, I don't know how these other franchises have got away with guys playing 20 years, 15 years with the same franchise and having some loyalty to him. But unfortunately that's not the way it is with Seattle Seahawks. And I'm sure Tyler Lockett wants to continue to play and he'll get another opportunity, probably with a contender. I wouldn't be surprised if the Buffalo Bills call him. I wouldn't be surprised the Kansas City Chiefs call him, you know, because he's just a reliable guy, a reliable receiver that has a great set of hands, always in the right spot, really smart, high IQ player, hard worker, great locker room guy, great teammate, great guy in the community. You know, all the things that you would want in a player. He, he, he possesses. So he was a great teammate when, when I played with him and I'm happy for all the success that he had in Seattle. I just wish, you know, they did better by their great players. But, you know, that's a story I've had for a long time. You know, you look at some of the all time great players that have played for that franchise over the last decade. You know, Bobby Wagner, what happened to him? He comes, he gets shipped off, they, they don't resign him and then they try to bring him back and he has an all Pro season and then don't resign him again, he goes somewhere else, has an all Pro Pro bowl season. And you know, so, so that kind of kills the argument that, oh man, it's because they're losing a step or because, oh, he's not the player he used to be. Like, nobody's the player they used to be, but he's still an all time great player. And you know, there's some part of this franchise where you're not replacing him with better player then allow him to go out on his own, his ten toes with that jersey on. And when you don't, you know, you kind of lose the luster for the franchise. And I think that's what's happened a lot of times. And that's what's happened again right now, you know, with Seattle Seahawks, they're losing an icon of the last decade for this team. And you know, I'm sure if there was a chance at a reduced salary and allowing him to continue, he would have done that. But you know, it's something to be said when they don't give them the opportunity to take a reduced salary and say, hey man, just give me the veteran minimum, let me finish out my career here and you know, or let him get beat out. You know, if it's obvious, hey, he's gotten beat out, like you don't have, you don't have three more receivers better than Tyler Lockett on that roster. And if you trade dk, you're going to be wishing you had him back. And so.
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Mitchell Schwartz
Exactly. Yeah, Richard, he's got the type of game that just doesn't age like, like somebody else's game. I mean, he, he's notorious for getting down once he catches a ball. He's not really a Yak King at all. That's not really his game. He's just a locker room guy that's in the right position for the quarterback to deliver the ball at all. Times, he's a safety blanket, the ultimate safety blanket for the Seattle Seahawks offense. And it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me why you would move on off the field. I mean. And Richard, you can talk about this as well. I mean, Tyler Lockett has developed a name for himself, not as a football player, but also as a realtor in the Seattle market. I mean, the guy is so involved in. You just hate to see a move like this and how it ultimately upends everything else you've built off the field as well. One guy that might be very interested in bringing him into his ball club is. Is Pete Carroll, the former head coach of the Seattle Seahawks. I mean, he's looking to build a culture there in Vegas. Would Tyler Lockett be that perfect partner out there in Raider country to bring that new culture?
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Richard Sherman
Yeah, I think it'd be great. On the Raider side, it makes sense for them. I don't know if it would make sense for Tyler to do that because, you know, he's at the end of his career, he wants to be in competitive games down the stretch, he wants to be in playoff games. I'm sure he wants a ring on his finger. And so look into the contending teams. You know, that's probably where you want him to look in terms of finding his next opportunity, whether it's, you know, one of the teams we just talked about, Buffalo or Kansas City, or if you go nfc, you know, the Minnesota Vikings wouldn't be bad. They. They had a winning season last year. Your Detroit Lions, you know, depending. They. They pretty. They're pretty full over there. And he does a lot of things that Almond Rod does. So I don't. I don't know if he would fit that offense particularly, but I think that's what he's going to be looking for, an opportunity to play meaningful games down the stretch. I wouldn't be surprised the Dallas Cowboys called him and. But again, CD Lamb is in a slot doing a lot of his. His damage, so. But, you know, Tyler Locke could help that team. He could help a lot of teams, so I think that's what he's going to be looking for. But again, going back to the franchise, it's like, I don't know what it, what it would take to retire a Seahawk at this point. You know, I mean, for a guy to finish his career where he started, what, what they would have to accomplish to. To finish their career there and not get cut by the. Or not be resigned by this franchise, you know, I, I mean, Bobby's been a all pro every single season since Jesus was a baby and he still didn't get resigned and he's gotten cut before. So I, I think it's hard for me to understand that and just really wish I challenge the fans, tell me what it would take to retire. See, outside of leaving and playing up somewhere else and coming back and retiring there, you know, I mean, I don't know what they expect from these guys to, to retire there. And I, and I think they're, you know, fans get, you know, up in arms at times about how players feel about certain franchises. But it's a weird deal. It's a really weird deal. Let's go on to Joey Bosa, you know, Nicholas John Bosa's brother. And so let's switch our hats because I think there's a chance, I think there's a chance it happens now. It has to make sense. Joey Bosa has been a really productive player in this league for a long time, but he's been very injured, very beat up, banged up the last couple of years hasn't been as productive. Only five sacks last year. You know, on the surface it sounds like a really cool story, two brothers playing together. I think it would be a really cool move at the right price. You know, obviously this would be an incentive based deal, you know, because it'd be pending Joey's health, you know, so you'd have per game roster bonuses in there. You know, if he's active, if he's playing bang, he gets paid that day or, you know, you want, you want things like that to protect the team and still give him a chance to make his money. And I think, you know, if you go five sacks, 10 sacks, seven or eight sacks, you know what I mean, those plateau, those things, if he hit nose, if he's hitting those numbers, getting him his money. But anything over $5 million, even with that is a stretch right now. But I think it'd be great for, for Nick. I think you still got to build that D line. You got to get great D tackles. I think Jonathan Allen may be made available. I think that's somebody who would work in this defense and would be piece one of the great run stoppers in this, in this league. I think he's the guy that they need to look at. But getting Joey as an accessory piece, you know, as a rotational pass rusher would be great. You know, I don't know if he, he can play 40, 50 snaps a game, you know, but a guy coming in and paying 20, 25 snaps, I think he'd be effective and I think it'd make his brother really happy.
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Mitchell Schwartz
Well, they just released Javon Hargrave Richard so they got some extra cap space. How realistic is it though? Because I' there's going to be some other suitors. I mean my Detroit Lions I assume are going to make a phone call out there to Joey Bosa and we all know edge rushers come at a premium in this league. But you're right, I mean Joey Bosa is 30 plus years old and his best years are more than likely behind him, especially with the last three years being often injured. You've talked about the Niners. They need help on the defensive front. How much do you think this Javon Hargrave release is going to further impact that for him? He signed for a four year $85 million deal back in 2023 and is already seen as somebody that's not going to fit with them anymore.
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Richard Sherman
It's them trying to make a decision early. It hurts in terms of their dead money, it increases it. I think they've got the most dead money in the league right now, but I think it's something that had to happen. You know he was injured last season. He hasn't been as productive the season before as they would have wanted and they need to to find some impact players, some real run suffers there. I expect them to be really aggressive in free agency in terms of finding run stopping D tackles that can get that's important for them right now and so this is a move they had to make. They're letting him come free. I think. I think they would want him back at a reduced salary if he wanted to come back and they'll let him test the market. I think that conversation has been had. But you can't keep him on for that salary for the impact that he was making at the time. And that's the unfortunate part about the league.
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Mitchell Schwartz
Well, let's talk about another edge rusher and that's Max Crosby. He just signed a record deal, three year, $106.5 million, 91.5 of which is guaranteed. He's the highest paid non QB in NFL history. What's your reaction to this deal?
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Richard Sherman
It's great. I mean he's, he's been a really great player in this league for a long time and he deserves that. You know, the Raiders are showing him respect, the respect and loyalty that he deserves. And he's up the market and makes the rest of these deals look like a bargain. But again, going back to Micah, Micah Parsons, now the price is going up. Now the, now the number's 35.5 and he'll, he'll want 36 or 37. And so instead of giving him 33 or 34 that you would have had to give him a year ago, you're waiting and waiting and the price just continues to go up and that's going to be a issue down the stretch. Another person who just got paid, Saquon Barkley set the, you know, we were talking about running backs not being important, running backs not getting the money they deserve. And here comes saquon barkley getting $20 million a year extension from the Philadelphia Eagles. That's really great. Congratulations to him. Congratulations to the running back market. Hopefully this is pushes the rest of them forward. You could see James Cook with the eyes looking at this deal thinking he's going to get something in that ballpark. I don't know. I don't know if the Buffalo Bills will do that. You know, I think it'd be 17, 16, $17 million. But still, that's better than we were talking about, you know, last season, just last off season, we were talking about Derrick Henry getting what, $8 million and, and, and Saquon getting 12 and a half or whatever it was from the Philadelphia Eagles and like, man, like every other market is going up substantially and the running back market is 12 and a half. And so now it's starting to increase at the pace that it needs to increase. And I'm happy to see that. I'm happy for the running backs, happy for Saquon and his family. He deserves it.
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Mitchell Schwartz
It's a good day to be a running back, I will say that. I mean, does this, how much does this go on to affect the rest of the market because Saquon was so dominant? I mean, he was in the MVP conversation. You don't see that very often at that position. Kudos to the Philadelphia Eagles for taking care of them. Another stray shot to the New York Giants and their mismanagement of that situation. I mean, here's a guy that deserved the money. He's still athletically in his prime and he's being taken care of by the franchise he's playing with now after bringing home the Lombardi. How does this affect the rest of the market though? Because do you see a trend where we're going to see running backs getting paid $20 million plus going forward? I specifically want to ask because we got some big names coming up. Bijan Robinson, you know, my guy here in Detroit, Jameer Gibbs. These guys are going to be up for extension here in a couple years and it could be a position that they deserve to make $20 million at at that time.
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Richard Sherman
Yeah, I think this is, this is the way of the world. You know, this is capitalism. Everything goes up. I think the receiver market is going to go stagnant at some point because they have grown too much over the years for the amount of impact they have. And I think that's happened because of how much TV time they get, all the dances, all the tick tock, all the viral moments, which is great, but I think that will come down to earth and it'll bring back up the rest of the market. You know, I think the, the corners will catch up, the tackles will catch up, the DNS will catch up. Because it used to be a time where DNS, receivers, corners used to, you know, it used to all be pretty evened out. You know, you catch one, one guy getting a high, then the receivers got the high. And you know, in terms of non quarterbacks, it used to be a number of different positions. Now the receivers have, have, have jumped leaps and bounds above everybody. And now Max Crosby obviously caught up with the 35 and a half. But I think that the running back, this is the natural trajectory of the running back market. Everything else was, was going like this and the running back market wasn't growing as the salary cap was. And I think this was a natural correction. I don't know if many running backs can ask for what Saquon did because he had once in a lifetime kind of season, But I think 17, 18 million dollars for those running backs is going to be a reasonable ask and a reasonable number that they'll receive.
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Mitchell Schwartz
Let's turn our attention to the Chicago Bears. They've made a couple big moves in the trenches here this week. Richard, you've always emphasized strength in the trenches. And Ben Johnson came from the Detroit Lions organization that was known for having a top five offensive line for the last few years. And you can see he's making this a point of emphasis there in Chicago, trying to protect Caleb Williams. They go out and trade for Jonah Jackson, who, who was a starter for the Detroit Lions for a number of years before signing with the Rams last offseason. He's familiar with, with Ben Johnson and his scheme. And then they go out and get Joe Thuney from, from the Kansas City Chiefs, who, frankly I, I didn't even know he was available. You know, I thought, I thought he was going to be a stalwart on that O line for the Chiefs for the next few years to come. They go out and trade Kansas City a fourth round pick for him. What do you make of these upgrades to the O line for Ben Johnson? Do you expect Caleb Williams to have, you know, the year he should have here in his sophomore season?
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Richard Sherman
Yeah, I expect him to be standing upright a lot more. Joe Toney did a heck of a job for the Kansas City Chiefs. Moved out to tackle late in the season, through the playoffs. Did an excellent job at that. After having an all pro season at left guard. I think, I think this is going to be really great for Caleb Williams. I think the interior offensive line is important, you know, allowing him to feel comfortable and take his drop and be able to step up and feel comfortable. I think this is a great job by the Chicago Bears. This is what they should have done last year when you, when you first get this quarterback. But, you know, better late than never. And I think they're going to continue to strengthen this offensive line, strengthen that defense and really, really take a leap next year, I think, into being into at least a playoff team with these moves. You know, I think Ben Johnson is going to study Caleb Williams and what he does well this offseason and give him an opportunity to do the things he does well consistently. He's going to support him with a great run game. They. They have really good receiving. Core dynamic. Three different dynamic receivers. It's going to be a fun year to be a Chicago Bears fan.
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Mitchell Schwartz
I was just going to say Ben Johnson's going to bring some new energy in the building there. We've seen him a little bit catch some headlines. He called out Matt LaFleur in his introductory press conference, said he can't wait to be in the same division again as he was in Detroit because he specifically wants to beat Matt LaFleur twice a season. And then we see him at the combine talking about how this is the first time that he's going to have a mobile quarterback and almost, you know, and then Jerry Golf catches a straight. What do you make of some of these comments that Ben Johnson has made? Is it. Is it something as is a team, you know, if you're playing under this guy? Are you applauding this, or is it something that it's negative attention that you want away from your organization?
- [32:20]
Richard Sherman
Well, I think it's too early to know. You know, I think you got to wait and see. It's. I don't think it's too negative attention. You know, there's rivalries in NFL that, you know, I mean, I'm okay with a little bit of a stirring the pot. You know, you. Look who you're talking to, Mitchell. Stirring the pot is okay with me. If you want to stir the pot and you want to bring back the rivalries and you want the coach to be part of the rivalry, okay, I like it. I'm here for it. But players got to back it up. And so I don't think any player in the National Football League is afraid of a challenge, you know? Afraid. Oh, man. Don't, don't, don't. Don't say too much, Coach. We don't want him to be upset. I don't think you're going to run into a locker room and find a guy like that. If you do, he's getting run out of that locker room very soon, and he won't be putting pads on for much longer. But I think it's fine. You know, I don't know if Jared catching strays is the best, but I don't know if he sees it as him catching strays because he's not mobile. Jared Goff could. Jared Goff, ain't he not running Metro? He's not. Jared Goff is executing from that pocket. Anything outside of that is. Is. Is extra, you know, icing on the cake. And I think, you know, be careful what you wish for because mobile quarterbacks, there's, there's positives and negatives to everything. You know, there's positives to a pocket passer, quick decision maker and there's positives to a, to a guy who's mobile and get out of the pocket and get out of harm's way. But, but there are also other things you're going to have to coach once you get out of the pocket and decision thrown across your body, certain mistakes that, that are made that he may not have run into. So be careful what you wish for. I think Caleb Williams is going to be a good quarterback in this league, but there's, there's other factors associated to mobile quarterbacks that Ben Johnson has not had to deal with.
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Mitchell Schwartz
Well, this is our second podcast of the offseason. I know we got more to come. Free agency starts next week. It's going to be a very active week, Richard. We will have another one next week. I'm sure. I will let you sign us off, my friend.
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Richard Sherman
Well, thank you guys again for joining us. We try to make this one quicker than the last one. Trying to keep up with all the news that's going on out there. We appreciate you joining us, appreciate you sticking with us. You could be anywhere in the world, but you're here with us and we sure, sure do appreciate you. Have a beautiful, blessed day. The Volume.
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Nikki Glaser
This is Nikki Glaser from the Nikki Glaser Podcast. On a more serious note, I'm still thinking about that commercial with Tom Brady and Snoop Dogg hating on each other. Because when you listen to the reasons for hating someone or something, you realize just how stupid they really are. There is too much hate in this country and it's gotta stop. So join us at iheart and standing up to it. If you see hate, speak up, call it out and you can learn more by following OTs. UpWithHate.
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Steph Curry
Make some noise for the greatest shooter of all time, Steph Curry. We went live from All Star Weekend for a new podcast called Go Greatest of Their Era and we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s.
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Peja Stojaković
Peja 5 Dirk Ford.
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Steph Curry
Peja is a link. You won't believe who Steph left off his list.
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Peja Stojaković
That's so tough. That's why we have these conversations.
- [35:36]
Steph Curry
Yes, absolutely.
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Peja Stojaković
Love it.
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Steph Curry
Listen to Go G O T E Greatest of Their era on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Greg Rosenthal
What's up, everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the King of Spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs mock drafts to my top 101, free agents will have it covered for you, with all new episodes every Thursday keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents starting on March 6th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
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Julie Stewart-Binks
What's up everyone? Julie Swerbinks here along with former NHL player Nate Thompson.
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Nate Thompson
We're doing a new podcast together.
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Richard Sherman
Here we go.
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Julie Stewart-Binks
The name Energy Line with Nate and jsb.
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Nate Thompson
Each week we'll get together and talk about hockey life. All topics are fair game, right?
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Julie Stewart-Binks
Exactly. And you'll never know who will drop by to join us.
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Nate Thompson
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Julie Stewart-Binks
Listen to Energy Line with Nate and jsb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.