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Richard Sherman Podcast - FAN MAILBAG: Seahawks Super Bowl favorites? 49ers bounce back? Lamar’s final Ravens season?
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Richard Sherman
Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast. It's still the off season. You guys got questions and we've got answers. Mitchell, start us off.
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Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
Richard, here we are. You know what? We submitted a fan mailbag on Twitter last night. I appreciate you guys all for submitting your responses. We're trying to get you more involved. So we love you guys. We love our listeners here. Richard, we got one. And this one. You know, I know we're midway through this off season. I guess we're entering the NFL draft. We've gone through the beginning of free agency at this point in the off season. If you had to pick next year's super bowl winner, who would it be?
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Richard Sherman
Well, Mitchell, nothing this off season has led me to believe the Seattle Seahawks are not going to be the favorites going into this season. Because they people on the outside are saying, oh man, they've lost so many pieces. I'm not under that same impression. I they have lost pieces that they feel like they can replace. They have lost pieces that they feel like they have either in house replacements for or can find their replacements in the draft. And I can agree with that. I think the same thing. I think Kenneth Walker is a guy that had an incredible run through the playoffs, incredible end of the season and made a lot of plays, including the super bowl mvp. But I don't think they saw him as an irreplaceable piece to this team. Obviously he split time with Charbonnet throughout most of the season and was incredibly fresh to to to make that run. There were question marks when he, when Charbonnet got injured whether he would be able to to to carry the load. And he was. He was able to do it. Got himself a nice payday. But I don't think the Seattle Seahawks saw that as, oh my God, if we don't bring him back, we won't have a chance at the super bowl again. I think they feel really good about not only the depth they have at running back, but their ability to draft well and find whether it's by committee or one guy to, to be able to, to replace the production that Kenneth Walker had. I think Kobe Bryant. They feel like Ty Cotta did a great job throughout the season. Boy, Mafe is another guy who, who had an incredible impact, but again was a rotational rusher on this team. And they feel like they can find a guy like that in the draft, a guy that can get around the edge, put pressure on the quarterback and it'll, it'll be on John Snyder and, and their front office to find that. But I, I feel really good about the team and just the scheme that they're running. I think with what happened last year, people lose sight. Sam Darnold had a, had a really good season, but I'm sure there are games Sam Darnold watches from last season where he's like, man, I could play better than that. Man, I can do better than that. I missed this guy. I missed this guy. And it was his first year with the team. He's going to be better in his second year. He's going to have less than 20 turnovers, I would believe. You know, don't, don't quote me or quote me. You know, the videos live forever. But throughout the playoffs, he showed that he could play mistake free football. I think that's a big reason they went on to win the super bowl, because he played mistake free football. He had 20 turnovers throughout the season and zero in the playoffs. And if he can play like that for a majority of the season next year, they will, I mean, they'll win more games than they won this year or as many games as they won this year and be an even stronger team. I think their defense is just as good as they were last year. Obviously you lose Tariq Woolen, that's a big deal. But again, they, they had to play without Tariq Woolen for a number of games. There was times where he was in the lineup, out of the lineup, where he fell out of favor, was back in favor. So again, these are, these are players that they have played without before and, and felt good about, felt good about the players they could do, the players that they had and what they could do with those players. Josh Job. Josh Job got, got his payday and I think he's going to be an Essential part of why they feel comfortable losing Tariq Woolen. Obviously, John Snyder said they were, they were priced out of the, the runnings for him. He signed a one year deal. There's nothing to say that maybe, you know, after one year in Philadelphia, who knows, there'll be a free agent again. They can have those conversations again. But I think the Seattle Seahawks going into this season will be the favorites.
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Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
And you touched on, you know, obviously Kenneth Walker leaving and the freeing up space in the running back room if there was ever a draft to have a need at running back. This draft's pretty loaded, you know, top to bottom and especially in the middle rounds. You know, they could go with a guy like Jadarian Price out of Notre Dame, you know, Jonah Coleman up in the Pacific, Pacific Northwest out of U dub, Mike Washington Jr. Out of Arkansas. I mean, all these guys, you know, could be late, first anywhere to fourth round picks. So, you know, for Seattle, I'm with you, man. Until somebody starts knocking them off that pedestal, they're the team to beat. And I can't believe I'm saying this, but Sam Darnold has proven it over the last two years. He's more than capable of leading this franchise. One more year of comfort with this team. I'm with you, Richard. Seattle is going to be a juggernaut again next season. Now, let's talk about some of the bad teams. I mean, each year it seems that there's always a team in a division that goes from worst to first. Richard, who do you think is the best odds of being able to double their win total from last year? There's got to be someone that comes out of nowhere and surprises the NFL landscape.
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Richard Sherman
I guess your best bet right now of a team that go from, you know, really bad team picking early in the draft to somewhat competitive would be the Giants. And I say that because you feel good about what John Harbaugh is going to bring. He's going to bring a great coaching pedigree, stability. They're going to run a good defensive scheme. They already have a great defensive line. And a lot of this starts with a great disruptive defensive line. Obviously Dexter Lawrence wants out. Who knows what will happen with that. Maybe a distraction throughout the off season. I mean, throughout the season. Maybe they'll get a deal done that that keeps him in New York. I'm not sure. But with him in the lineup, they have a really strong defensive line and I think they, they continue to grow there. They feel good about Jackson Darton. What he brings at quarterback has brought Some excitement brought some dynamic ability and another year under his belt. I think they, they improve as a team. The Tennessee Titans I want to see do better. I want to see Cam Ward, the former number one pick do well for Robert Salah and their staff. Can Brian DBO get the best out of him? And in your guy Wandell Robinson and your guy Rondell Robinson, that's, that's to be seen. The Raiders, they'll, they'll pick first and draft Mendoza. What will that look like? I think they've done some, some really cool things defensively. Obviously bringing Max Crosby back from the trade, the botch trade, the failed trade, whatever you want to call it. But I think the Giants, I think the Giants have the chance to double their wins and, and be more competitive than they were last year. I think it's still, it's a long shot for any of these teams to really be playoff contenders but you know, we've seen it happen.
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Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
Well, second year Jackson dart like you said and there's a new leader in the clubhouse and that's John Harbaugh. And obviously with his winning, winning pedigree coming over from Baltimore, I mean he's not going to take any nonsense and we see it. You know, obviously they're facing a little bit of adversity with this Dexter Lawrence situation. I shouldn't say adversity, more uncomfortability. And maybe they're handling things a little bit differently. John Harbaugh was on record saying, you know, anyone, it can be traded. So you know, he's walking in here, here's a veteran and Dexter Lawrence that clearly wants more money. Richard, what do you make of Dexter Lawrence requesting this trade? What do you think his markets like and whose side are you really on here? Are you on the team side or Dexter's side in this situation I'm always
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Richard Sherman
on the player side. More money for the players, more money for the players. Pay the guy, max him out. I don't even, I mean I don't even mind overpaying guys because again, I want more money in players pockets and less money for the team. I'm always player, player focused. But his market is interesting because he's at a deep, He's a, he's a very powerful and dominant defensive tackle. But him playing over the nose, over the center and isn't a scheme fit for everybody. Can he play a one? Can he play a three? I don't think he can play a three. I think he's always going to be a zero or one. But does he. He could be Disruptive and be great for everybody. But I don't know if everybody puts the kind of value financially on the position as he would want. As he would want. You know, he may want to get 25, 30 million dollars. And there aren't a lot of teams that value that position in a way that they feel comfortable paying. Regardless of what he's doing, regardless of how dominant of a player he is, not a lot of teams feel like they can afford to pay it. Now. Edge rushers, guys who are on the edge, they feel much different about. But dominant D tackles that don't have the high sack numbers usually have a hard time commanding those big numbers. Now, it may be Albert Haynesworth's fault. You know, remember back in the day when Albert Haynesworth got that 100, $100 million and then it went south really quickly, but long time ago for you, for you kids that, that just started watching NFL, look that up, look up Albert Haynesworth and what he did. But yeah, I just don't, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if he'll find a suitor out there, especially after free agency has passed. You know, maybe if they would have done something before free agency, a team would have had, would have been able to find some money and, and figure out their cap situation and make room for a guy like him, a quality player who they're going to have to pay a lot of money and, and, and make a cornerstone of their franchise. But once free agency is over, you ask for a trade. You know, team's got to do a lot of juggling to make his, his salary, work with their team. And I, I don't know if a team will feel like it's worth it now. Maybe a team doesn't get the guy that they want in the draft and say, oh man, we didn't get the guy we want. Maybe we, we can see if the Giants are still interested in, in moving Dexter Lawrence, if we can meet their price, etc. Etc. But who knows? You know, the NFL is, is crazy these days.
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Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
It's tough for him too, because he's really coming off a down year. I mean, he had a half sack to his name last year. Prior to that, in 2024, he had nine. So, you know, he's trying to capitalize off of 2024 success. We'll see what happens. I mean, you saw the Raiders, oh, clearly overpay on a guy like Christian Wilkins a couple years ago. So the question's got to be asked. I know the production has been there for Dexter Lawrence throughout his career. Last year was a down year. You know, do they as a team that is rebuilding and looking to resurge the Giants, are they going to be willing to make that financial commitment? We'll see. I mean, obviously the Kansas City Chiefs did something similar with Chris Jones and look at the situation they're in now. I mean, I know they love Chris Jones. Reality is he's over 30. They probably want to spend that money elsewhere. Richard, I, I don't know. I, I can't speak for the team, but an outsider looking in, I would have to think they got bigger needs than a 30 plus year old defensive tackle.
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Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
The other news we got out this week is Kirk Cousins. I don't know how this guy keeps doing it, but he's made the most guaranteed money next to, I think it was Matthew Stafford throughout the NFL career. And he does it again, getting paid $20 million by the Raiders, obviously being brought in to mentor the proverbial number one pick in Fernando Mendoza. Richard, what do you make of Kirk Cousins going to the Las Vegas Raiders and what do you make of him as a businessman? Because whatever he's doing, man, it's clearly working. Obviously, he's highly educated, being a Michigan State grad. So you got to give him kudos there.
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Richard Sherman
You got to give him big kudos. I mean, he's a Hall of Fame NFL businessman. He is. He should teach. He should have seminars, teach classes, speak to every draft class coming in because he has mastered the ability to get guaranteed money in the National Football League. Now. I think it's a great move by the Raiders. I think Kirk Cousins gets a bad rap. I I think Kirk Cousins is a better quarterback than than he's been given credit and I think his numbers speak to that. Is he, is he an all pro level, you know, elite guy right now? No. I thought he, he struggled last season. I think he'd be honest with it and say he struggled really bad. You know, he just wasn't seeing it as well last season as he has in the Past, but I think if you talk to some of the best coaches in the National Football League right now, Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVeigh, they speak very differently about Kirk Cousins than I think the public perception of him is. And I think he, he's great to be a mentor to a young quarterback, if that's the role he's comfortable with. And it sounds like the way he's speaking. He, he's totally comfortable if that's the role they brought him in for. He's at that point in his career where he just, he's getting his money, he has his family, they're going to be in a comfortable place, and he's happy to see the next guy succeed and do what he has to do. And does he still have competitiveness and want to play? I'm sure, but they're paying him enough to say, hey, whether you mentor or you play, you're getting your money. Be good. And I think he's, he's in a great place to do that. And I think the, the Raiders have, are in the position to do it the right way. I think this is what should have happened with JJ McCarthy. This is what happened with Jordan Love. This is what happens to give quarterbacks the best possible chance to succeed. I tried. They tried to do it with Jackson Dart in New York, but, you know, eventually they're going to have to play the guy they draft him number one. Does he play day one? Does he need to play day one? I'm sure people would argue, oh, you got to, you use number one pick on him. But in order for a quarterback to develop the properly, sometimes you got to learn how to play the position, how to, how to prepare, how to read a defense, how to, how to do things on game day. And when you don't have a chance to sit back and learn and watch, then sometimes you find yourself out there executing and, and learning bad habits that, that you don't even know are bad habits because you had nobody to watch and learn the good habits from in the first place. I think learning from a veteran who's played in the league as long as Kirk Cousins has is a great deal for a young quarterback, and I think that's a great move by, by the, the Raiders. Now, I think it could have been the same move by the Atlanta Falcons if they hadn't paid him $50 million. I thought it, I would have thought it was a great move, but they paid him $50 million. Much different situation. You got to start him there. I don't care if you draft the guy, the next guy, number one, number two, top ten. You paying a guy 50 million he starts. But you know, that's a story for a different day.
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Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
Reality here is Kirk Cousins has experience playing alongside Clint Kubiak. Clint Kubiak was the quarterbacks coach, you know, in Minnesota. So obviously you're talking about a guy that has system experience and I'm sure he brought him in there to be able to better explain and put Mendoza in that position. But kudos to Kirk Cousins being able to put together this, I mean, unbelievable run of guaranteed money. Who would have thought the franchise tag was a bad thing? Not Kirk Cousins, I'll tell you that much, Richard, not Kirk Cousins. The other thing here, Richard, is. I can't believe it. But Lamar Jackson is back in the news and we're talking extension talks again. He's still got two years left on his contract. But Richard, they, they, they restructured his deal. They added a bunch of dead cap into future seasons. What do you make of this whole Lamar Jackson situation with Baltimore? How do you see this playing out?
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Richard Sherman
I, I see it as a non story. He's their franchise quarterback. He's a great player in the National Football League. It's too hard to find a franchise quarterback right now for some reason. Other teams don't necessarily see Lamar Jackson as viable option for some reason. That's the way it seemed to me when he was on the somewhat open market. Teams could have bid, teams could have offered him a contract. Now everybody's saying, well, if we're to bid a put a contract out for him, then they just would have matched. And well, you got to figure it out. You got to find out if they would have matched. You got to put a contract together and put it in front of them to see if the team would have matched. But no team did that. The Ravens retained him. I think he went on to win MVP the next season and the rest is history. So I think he. Obviously they don't have a succession plan. They haven't drafted a quarterback in the first or second round since he's been there. So I don't think it's a situation where hey man, they, they have a guy in the waiting and they're just going to let Lamar Jackson's contract run out and expire and then let the next guy start. So I think this is a non story. I think Lamar Jackson is, is a guy who, who represents the Baltimore Ravens really well. He represents them, the city, the culture really well. He's a guy that plays hard, puts his best foot forward every time he goes out there, doesn't have any off the field issues. A guy that, that is a consummate professional in, in every way and has been great for the Baltimore Ravens. So I don't, I don't see this as a big deal.
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Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
Richard making headlines again. And I can't believe this. I hope this doesn't happen. But the refs, the union for the refs is, I guess they're at a crossroads with the NFL. We might be staring at another replacement ref situation at the beginning of this year. How bad? You know, I, I, Richard, you played with these replacement refs when they first started. Shoot, what was it, 12 years ago? And now we could see that again. How bad of a scenario would this be for the NFL if this came back?
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Richard Sherman
It'd be awful.
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Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
Richard. We were just talking about it off air last week and you know the infamous Golden Tate fail. Mary Russell Wilson touchdown. Keeps it up to Golden Tate. Simultaneous catch. Even though it wasn't, it should have been interception. Golden Tate walks away with a, a called touchdown. Richard, we've seen it play out in real time. Do you think it could happen again? Realistically,
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Richard Sherman
I don't think that's an ideal world for the National Football League to be in. That's why they put up the resolution to say, hey, if we have to go replacement refs, we will use video evidence to overturn obvious wrong calls because the NFL will keep a very close eye on these games if replacement refs are. Or they will never let a situation like that happen again where it's that controversial. Because it gave the, the, the, I guess normal refs, the regular full, I can't call them full time because there's no full time refs. But it gave the, the, the referee union a lot of leverage to say, hey, see, not everybody can do our job and it's a worse product when we're not out there. Give us our money, give us the things we asked for and we'll get back to work and, and make this a better product than you have right now because right now you have a bunch of crap. And, and that was the peak of the crap mountain with the replacement refs. I loved it. We won and we had a great game that day. I think we sacked Aaron Rodgers eight times in the first half. You know, if we'd have lost that game, I'd have been very frustrated because played really well. But in other news, I, I think it's a leverage point. I do. Is the NFL being unreasonable with their asking points? I don't think so. I don't like that. It's seniority and maybe the refs will be mad at me for saying this. I, I, I think it should be, it's point based. For everything else, they do have a point system. They have a, have a, a way to, to judge these referees. In a point system, when you make a mistake, you lose points. When you, when it's a bad call or, or it's a corrected call, there's, you lose points. And when you make great calls throughout the game and you have, you get a certain amount of points. So there is a, a system they have in place, but for some reason in the playoffs they still go with seniority and, and give certain guys because they've been in the league a long time and I don't like that. I, I think it should be merit based and if it's merit based, then there's accountability and that's all the NFL saying, if you're not doing a great job, you're not going to be in the playoffs. And I, I agree with that because I used to say that to WrestleMania sometimes, like, hey, I'm glad we're not going to have you in the playoffs because you're doing a terrible job. Like, you pissing me off. You, you made three bad calls today. The NFL will send us a letter on Monday talking about your bad calls. But I got to sit here and watch you throw a flag on me and Hear, hear, you sit there and explain to the crowd how I did something I didn't do. And then I get in the letter in the mail on Monday to the league from the league, like, oh, well, this was a bad call in the second quarter of this game. This shouldn't have been called, or this should have been this and this should have been that. And it's frustrating because those, you feel like these guys should be punished for that. And then you get to the playoffs and you don't see those guys, you don't, you don't necessarily see those guys making those calls. So that, that would be my own little, you know, me being a little. But I, I think the NFL is being reasonable with their ass. I think the union's trying to protect their guys as they should, and they'll, they'll be, you know, nobody's happy in the end. There's always a middle ground. They'll meet in the middle ground and that's what the, the, the agreement will be. I think the NFL does have a plan for if the replacement refs are, are needed, but that's not where they want to go.
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Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
Richard that would be devastating if they're not able to get something done, but it sounds like they do have a contingency plan with massive amount of reviews available.
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Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
NBC just came out with a piece analyzing their top five coaches in the NFL. Do you see any disagreement with here? Sean McVeigh is at number one, followed by Andy Reid, your guy, Kyle Shanahan, Mike McDonald, Seattle's own and Sean Payton. Is there any, you know, you see any differences there from Richard Sherman's top five coaches in the league?
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Richard Sherman
I mean, I think the only argument you would have was is the order. You know, you can, you can put those depending on where you're at in the world, what team you root for, the order can be switched up, but I think that's about right. I think Shanahan, Reed, McVeigh, McDonald and Peyton are are the cream of the crop. Obviously, the Patriots went to a Super bowl last year, and so, you know, Vrabel's new name is in the news for obviously different reasons right now, but he took his team to the super bowl in the first year as a head coach for for the New England Patriots, so you got to give him some credit for that. Yeah, I, I think it's tough on the AFC side because, you know, the Chiefs weren't in it this year. You can give Liam Cohen some credit for what he's done in Jacksonville.
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Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
Lawrence, man, he's got a hell of a quarterback to lead the charge there.
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Richard Sherman
Right, right, right, right. Trevor Lawrence. T Law. T Law Doing the thing. Doing it. We yeah, I think this is about right. I think this is about right. Honestly, it's NFC heavy. It's NFC heavy for a reason because the NFC has the, you Know, I mean, NFC West, NFC west, heavy. Three of the top five are in the NFC west. And that seems crazy, but it's accurate.
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Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
Richard, we had. We had a fan ask a question, and this might be a wild one, but I gotta ask it because our. Your fans asked it, so I'm gonna ask you it. If Kyle Shanahan in the 49ers missed the playoffs this year, do you think his job potentially would be in danger?
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Richard Sherman
They missed the playoffs this year. I don't know. I don't know who asked this question, but we gotta check what's in their cup. If Cal Shanahan missed the playoffs this year, would he be on the hot seat? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. He wouldn't even be close. He'd be. He'd be on an iceberg. He'd still be on an absolute iceberg. And if he somehow was on the hot seat, then there'd be 20 seats in the NFL getting hotter as his got hotter, because if he ever got fired, so would they. Because there are at least 20 teams in the National Football League that would fire their coach that day to have a chance to interview Kyle Shanahan to be their head coach. I might be heavy high on the number, but it's. I would say it's 15 to 20 team that would love Kyle Shanahan as their head coach and the leader of their franchise. And I don't think that Jed York would. Would be in. In would be willing to fire Kyle Shanahan to make him available to other teams. There's a reason people think about him and, and hold his name in such high regard. I know he hasn't had success winning the Super Bowl. His team is always in the running. You know, they're always going to be a factor. Even this year where you lose your top three, four best players throughout the season, you lose your quarterback for almost half the season, and he still put out a competitive team. They won 12 games. They ran into a juggernaut of a Seattle Seahawks team and got their heads caved in in a divisional. But. But in the end, it's a lot of teams and a lot of coaches would take the resume that Kyle Shanahan has had over the last nine years over the coach they've had, and, and people undersell how much it means to be competitive and always in the NFC Championship, always in the super bowl, always in the running. There's not a lot of coaches that can say that. I mean, you can say that about McVeigh, Reed, Shanahan. That's it. McDonald won the Super bowl in his second year, so put his name in the hat too. But outside of that, there's not a lot of coaches that are always in the NFC Championship Game, always in the super bowl, always in the running. You, you think they have a chance. No matter how beat up the team is, no matter how injured they are, no matter this, this, this substation conspiracy that people want to make, they're somehow always in the mix. And that's coaching. That's coaching and that's the job that he's done. They've had great coordinators who've gone on to be head coaches with Robert Salah being one of them the most recent. But yeah, Domico Ryan's did it. They're. They're a great franchise. And I think he's not anywhere close to the hot seat because he's such a great coach. And I don't think him missing the playoffs this year would. The master class that he just put on this year, losing Bosa, losing Fred Warner, losing Brock Purdy, losing Kittle for a while. You lost Purcell for a while. And I'm, I know I'm missing something. You lost Mike, Mikhail Williams for a mile. Wow. You lost a lot of your top players for a good portion of the season and they still won 12 games. So I think missing the playoffs would just be negated by what he just did this past season.
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Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
And you look at it, I always gauge a coach and their success with how what they bring out of their players, you know, making them the best version of themselves. And you look at it throughout his tenure in the NFL here, I mean, he took Kirk Cousins, right? I mean, this was supposed to be RG3's team in Washington and he took Kirk Cousins and I mean helped propel him to big, the most money, second most money in the NFL. Then you look at what he's been able to do with Brock Purdy and I'd be, I wonder where Brock Purdy would be at in his career without Kyle Shanahan. And obviously the resurgence of Mac Jones last year. I know Kyle Shanahan's system is, is perfect for the right quarterback and it's clearly perfect for those three guys. But everything you laid out as well, Richard, the adversity he's ever had to overcome with injuries, I would imagine there would be a lineup of teams that would want his services if they ever let go of him.
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Richard Sherman
With the Niners, you could even add Sam Darnold to that list. Sam Darnold was the backup to Brock Purdy when they were in the Super bowl in 23, you know, and he helped revive his career. I mean, Kyle Shanahan has had a
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Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
hand in a lot of this, no question about it. Absolutely. Richard, you already, you already labeled the Seattle Seahawks as your favorites to win the super bowl next season. Reality is John Schneider has had to thread the needle here this offseason. A lot of big names went into free agency and left this organization. John Schneider and the Seahawks haven't been making a ton of splash moves in free agency. Do you think his conservative roster building approach has cost the Seahawks a real super bowl window? Do you think it's more of a flash in the pan for them or do you like it as a smarter long term play?
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Richard Sherman
What? Conservative roster building?
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Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
I'm reading questions that are given to us by, by your fans, by our fans of the podcast here, so you tell me. Ma', am.
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Richard Sherman
I don't, I don't see it as conservative roster building. You don't. You, you have a Super bowl roster, you lose a few guys, you retain as many guys as you can within reason. You pay your best players, which they did. They just paid Jackson, Smith and Jigba 40 something million dollars a year, which, you know, over, you know, pushing it out over the six years that he has left or the, plus the two years that he has left. You know, it ends up being a very reasonable deal. You're going to have to pay Devin Witherspoon. You already have one of the best defensive lines in the National Football League. You have depth there. You, you'll have to replenish that depth. Your offensive line, you've done great job to, to retain both tackles. You guys, you got a quarterback for a bargain right now. You'll probably have to, to address that after this season. I, I don't see this as a conservative deal. I think they have a really good team and they've done their best to continue to keep continuity, to give themselves a chance next season. So no, I don't think, I don't think you thought the super bowl. This same person would have thought the super bowl window was open last year. So excuse the hell out of me. I mean, if that same person that asked this question was in the same position last year, which you have told me the Seattle Seahawks had the roster to win a Super Bowl, I, I don't know if you would have. I don't think you would have. You know, hindsight is 20 20. I thought they could win the division, but I wasn't sure if Sam Darnold could do it. Again, was it was the Geno Smith move, the right move? I wasn't sure at the time because of the history. You know, you got to look at the history. You can't just look at one offs. But now Sam Donald has done it. 14 wins over two seasons for two different franchises. That's not Fluky anymore. That's a guy who takes command, a guy who plays well and is consistent and consistently gets the best out of his teams, consistently makes the right decisions for his team. And they had a great defense. Mike McDonald scheme, it's not a gimmick scheme. It's not a scheme that, oh, they're going to look in this offseason and find the holes and find a way to figure this scheme out and, and next year they're going to have trouble. And sure, there are teams that, that are going to say, hey, we're just going to take what the defense gives us and D conduct the ball down the field and be able to move the ball a decent amount. But the blitzes, the way he's attacking the protections, the way he attacking offensive line schemes, that's not easy to figure out. That's there. These offensive line schemes are prehistoric. They have stood the test of time. They how they identify the mic, how they slide certain guys, how they identify where the blitzer is and where the quarterback is hot. Those things have been around for a long time and they haven't changed a ton of. So the way Mike McDonald has, has devised a scheme to attack the, the core principles of how offensive lines protect their quarterback and how offenses, including the running back, are, are used in these different schemes and who they're dedicated to and who they're responsible for and who they're hot off of. If you understand that it's similar to what Kyle Shanahan and McVay do to defenses. They know their responsibility. They know what the responsibility of the, the mic is. The, the nickel, the D tackles, the three technique stuff, the nine technique ends, the safety that's coming down the hook, whether he's inside the hook or he's the buster, the, the COVID three corner. And then they devise schemes to attack the rules of these defenses. That's what Mike McDonald does to offensive lines. And it's very tough to combat that. That's why he had so much success and his defense had so much success because he's putting a lot of pressure on himself to be right, to know the coverage and to attack it. So do I think John Snyder is being too conservative? No, I think he's basing it off the staff he has the the personnel he has and his understanding of what they need to continue to be great within this scheme. And I think he's done a great job.
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Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
The NFL draft is two weeks away. Richard if you're the GM of the Raiders, jets and Cardinals, these are the top three pick holders. Who are you taking in this draft?
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Richard Sherman
well, if you don't have a quarterback, you got to go quarterback. There's, there's not a ton of depth at quarterback. I know they're trying to hype up these guys at the end to say, oh man, this guy, you guys didn't know about him. If we didn't know about him by this point, guys, there's a reason you didn't know about him. Like, but they got to hype somebody up. Like, this should be a draft where maybe two quarterbacks are picks in the first round, maybe three if you stretch it. But after Mendoza, I think there's a, there's a fall off. Some people would argue, I'm not going to argue with anybody. But if you go quarterback, defensive end or left tackle, and you can find a quality guy, then those are foundational pieces and, and foundational areas to build your team. You got to have those. You got to have those. You got to have a great left tackle who can protect your quarterback. You got to have a franchise defensive and a pass rusher who can get 10 plus sacks. You got to have a quarterback that can take you to the promised land. If you feel like the guys that are coming up in those spots can be those guys, then those, that's who you go with. But if I have a quarterback, then I'm built, I'm building my, my team in the trenches. The best available defensive or offensive lineman is where I'm going. Each and every pick, I feel like corners. You can find a very feisty, productive corner in the second, third round if you, if need be. But championship teams have a lot of similarities. You know, you look at them, if you looked at the championship this season, if you looked at the NFC and AFC championships, you will find great defensive lines. You'd find very productive defensive lines. If you looked at the Denver Broncos defensive line, I thought the Houston Texans should have beat the New England Patriots, but they didn't, you know, and I thought they got there because they had a great defensive line. Their quarterback just had probably the worst playoff run of his life. And I, I, hopefully he will never play that bad again. But on the, on the other side, you look at the Rams The Rams had a really good offensive line unit in a really good defensive line unit, defensive line, those are the things that make the championship teams good. It's been a long time since you, you look at the NFC Championship, AFC championship, where you don't have a really good either one side of the offensive line or both. There's usually an all pro offensive or defensive lineman on either team at in the championship games because that's how you build teams. That's how you win in the playoffs, running the football, great offensive and great defensive line play and a quarterback that doesn't make a ton of mistakes like that's what's going to win.
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Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
You're not alone in those thoughts. I mean, there's pretty much every mock draft we see has got Mendoza and then a combination of either Arvel Reese, David Bailey or the offensive tackle from Miami, Francis Malgoa, you know, Richard. But we've also seen a couple mock drafts that we've saw Jeremiah Love flirting with a top three pick. Is there a world that you live in that you would take a running back, specifically Jeremiah Love at three? I mean, and let's talk about the Arizona Cardinals here because they're situated with the third pick. Is there a scenario you see them possibly going with Love at three?
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Richard Sherman
Yeah, I think, I think teams are being talked into it. I mean Ashton Genti just went two. So it's, it's obviously not out of. It's not crazy to see a team do. I think it's the right drafting strategy? No, I would never do it. I would never do it as a GM. I'm not picking a running back in the top 10 unless he's just a generational talent that's clearly you can't miss. And some people feel that way about Jeremiah Love, but I just have seen in the National Football League really productive in some of the top running backs aren't top picks. You look at Derrick Henry, who's, who's a Hall of Fame running back, second rounder. You look at Jonathan Taylor and, and the season he had just had, you know, and, and the seasons he's had early in his career. Second round pick, James Cook. James Cook, one of the best running backs in the National Football League right now. One of the key, led the league in Russian. I think it was a second round pick. Then you, Jameer Gibbs, your Guy from Detroit, 12th pick of the draft. And people were questioning that when it happened. They were like, oh, 12th pick. That's very high for Jameer Gibbs. And of course hindsight's 20 20. Nobody's saying that anymore. So I just don't see the need. I don't see it. That's why running backs aren't getting paid like that, because spending a top five pick on a running back, when they're, they're guys that get the same production out of a second round running back, there are guys that get the same production out of a late round running back. It's, it's hard. Now, I know you look at the college stats, you look at the, the film, you're like, oh my God, this is a can't miss pick. But you could say the same thing about Ashton Genti. Then you watch him get to the National Football League and you see there's an adjustment period. Has he found his footing near the end? Is he on the best team? No, he's not on the best team. He's not. That's why they're picking so high. And so is, is this guy going to the Arizona Cardinals, Is that gonna get you over the hump? Is that, do you have bigger needs and bigger voids other places in your roster? And I'm sure they do. That's why they're picking this high in the draft. So I think you got to think about those things when you're drafting. Can you, can you maybe move back a few spots and pick up more picks so that you can feel more voids on your team and still get the same quality of players? Still get the same player. You check with the teams behind you, hey, who are they interested in? Are they going to pick offensive lineman, attack or corner a defensive end and then maybe you, if you do your homework, you can pick them up later. I, I remember you saying the Lions were thinking about Gibbs at 6, but they felt confident that they could trade back and get him at 12 and they were able to, to get more picks for him. And you create a better team, you make yourself a stronger team than if you would have just picked him at six.
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Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
No, no question about it. I mean, going back to that draft and not to toot the Lions horn, but I mean that's really was the franchise defining draft for them. You know, they ended up taking Jameer Gibbs, Jack Campbell, who's one of the best linebackers in football, Brian Branch and Sam Laporta, all the four of these guys are core four guys in their roster. So, you know, and yeah, being in Detroit, people were up in arms. Why in the world would you take a running back first round? We got bigger needs, etc. Etc. But it all makes sense now. So it just, to me it depends on the scheme fit. I don't see a problem in drafting a running back mid first. I think when you're the Cardinals and have so many needs, you know the Cardinals are titans picking at 4. Would I be shocked if they went with love? No, but I'm with you. I think you got to target an edge, somebody big that's going to be disruptive. And you can find a better running back in second, third round. There's a lot of good running backs in this draft. I wouldn't get too greedy. But Richard, you're already talking like a gm, so let's put you in the shoes of a GM here. If you were constructing your own team, who would you build? Like, what type of style of team would you build around today's players?
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Richard Sherman
I build it around the quarterback in a way, but I build it the way the same old school championship strategy that's going on to the test of time like that. You don't need an elite, elite world beater quarterback. We there, we can, we can name the top five quarterbacks in the National Football League. And really only one of them has won Super Bowls. Like, and that's Patrick Mahomes. You can say Joe Burrow, you can say Josh Allen, you could say Lamar Jackson. These are the guys who've won mvp. So you can argue with your mama, but only one of them has won to one Super Bowls and gone to Super Bowls consistently. Now everybody else, you could say Brock Purdy, you could say Jalen Hurts who have gone to Super Bowls. Jalen Hurts won the super bowl last year, Drake May, now Sam Darnold. You know, are they in the same class as the top, the big three International Football League? Would you put them in the same class as Mahomes, Josh Allen and, and Mahomes, Josh Allen and Joe Burrow? I don't think you would. I don't think many people would. And some would even throw Herbert in that mix. Some of people put Herbert in that top five mix because of his arm talent, because of his, his build, his stature and the things he can do on the football field. But they haven't won Super Bowls. The teams that have won Super Bowls of teams that have built are built more complete. They have a great defense. It starts there. Great defense, great defense, great defense. They have the ability to run the football when they need to. They can just run the football. They have a quarterback who plays mistake free football. He's not turning the ball over a ton, especially in the games that matter. You get to the playoffs, you're not going to turn the ball over a ton. He can push through, he can be dynamic when necessary. Now can those quarterbacks play at an elite top five level at times? 100. I think Drake may had times this season. That's why he was up for MVP where he played at a top five level. And you can throw Matt Stafford in there. His age is, is why they aren't putting him, you know what I mean, as number one. But Matt Stafford is a high level quarterback. He won MVP this season, deservedly so. And, but again, he has really good receivers around him. He has a good offense and they can run the football and his defense can get the job done. And that defensive line puts a lot of pressure. So again, I'm building a great defense first. I'm getting a quarterback who can get the job done, can, can move into the stratosphere of being an elite quarterback. But does, doesn't live there. He doesn't live at elite status, but he can get there. I'm gonna find offensive linemen really, whatever scheme I'm going in, whether it's, whether it's gap or zone scheme, running the football, I'm gonna find the lineman that work for my scheme. I'm gonna find a back that can get the job done. You can find them in the draft or you can find a bargain basement running back that, that can be consistent. There are running a lot of great running backs out there. A lot of guys who are sitting behind guys who if they had the opportunity to, to run the ball consistently, 15, 20 carries a game, they'd be way more consistent and productive than you would think. And receiver, you need a, I need a true number one. You need a guy that can beat man to man coverage that, hey, third and five, they know we're going to him and we can still get him the ball. He's going to get 140 targets a year and he can win. And then you need complimentary receivers. A good tight end, depending on 12 and 13 personnel are starting to become more prevalent. So you need a couple good tight ends, a good blocking tight end and guys that can catch and get a little yak. But I'm building defense first. You build a great defense, the offense can figure it out.
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Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
It sounds like the Seattle Seahawks of last year. Richard is a team you just constructed. Close enough.
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Richard Sherman
It's, it, it's, it's, it's most of the super bowl teams. It's, you look at super bowl teams, this is how they're constructed. Unless you got Patrick Mahomes and you can get away with fudging defense. But even those Kansas City defenses have been really good and we've been talking about Spags and what he's done with his scheme for a number of years and a number of those Super Bowls. But that's the way to do it, fellas.
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Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
All right, Richard, next question on the list. Obviously the 49ers, they struggled against Seattle Seahawks defense last season. What can the Niners offense do this upcoming year to combat this tenacious Seahawks defense?
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Richard Sherman
Well, they got bullied and they got bullied and, and they had a chance in San Francisco. The, the bobbled Christian McCaffrey pass to the flats that ended up getting intercepted, ended up selling that game was the damning factor. But then you look at the playoff game and it was, it was decimation and you got to get some attitude back on that offensive line. I think that's where you got to go and I think that's what The San Francisco 49ers have focused on this offseason. Just whether it's depth, guys, versatile guys, but I think they're going to continue that in the draft and they're going to have to. And then you're going to have to get some defensive linemen. But to combat this Seahawks defensive line that understands that they have been able to control you. You haven't been able to move them. You haven't been able to move Byron Murphy and Jaren Reed and Leonard Williams. You haven't been able to move them. Whether it's double teamed or not, that means your guys aren't strong enough. That means your centers and guards aren't strong enough to move these men. They are taking on double teams and, and standing pat and you've seen it consistently in those games. And if you can't move them with the double team, then you got to get people in there that can. And that's, that's grown man. That's grown man. You can't. There's no other way to combat that. You can try to do it with scheme. You can try to scheme around, like running around them, but they're fast too. They're. They're really fast. They're disciplined. They know what you're trying to do. So you're gonna have to get body movers. You know, that's. At the end of the day, you got to get guys who can move people. And if you can't move them, then you're gonna have the same problem next year. You know, unless you just want property to throw it 45 times. And you think you're gonna beat the secondary, you're gonna beat the scheme that way, which could happen, you know, or you expect your defense to create turnovers and, and put them in compromising situations. The Rams beat them once that way in la, where, where Sam Darnold had four turnovers, and the Rams found a way to win by two because Seattle fell short on the field goal at the end of the game. But they're a very difficult team to beat. They are very sound. It's very difficult. They have guys in positions that do the jobs that they are asked, do really well. They have guys that are built for this scheme. So you have to have guys that are built to, to be productive and better at your scheme. And that's what it's going to come down to, who can execute it better. Unless they find some guys or the guys that they have get better at moving those guys out of position, it's going to be a grind.
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Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
Next question in our mailbag. Richard, who are some wide receivers today that will give you a tough time when you were in your prime,
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Richard Sherman
a tough time? I mean, there, there's some really talented receivers out there, but I guess I. I don't know because I haven't stood in front of them. I haven't stood in front of them and really, really had to deal with their releases. I've seen the tape, but tape can be deceiving. I've seen guys who give opponents 175 yards and, and then they, when I play them, they, they have 20, 30 yards, you know, and I've seen guys who, who play really well or not as well against other people and don't, you know, really shine against other people. And I've stood in front of them like, oh, man, this guy got a lot more in his bag than, than people think. Not necessarily struggled, but, you know, I mean, you got to give Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, those guys a ton of credit because they've been doing it at a high level for, for a number of years. They're obviously doing something right, and these schemes that they're in are, are really highlighting their abilities. Jsn, just one player of the year and his versatility, ability to move into the slot, out of the slot, into the backfield. It's created a lot of issues for teams. So, you know, it would be tough to, to know because I haven't played them. You know, I played against different kind of guys. Julio Megatron, aj, AJ Green, Antonio Brown. Just different types of receivers. And these guys are. But who knows?
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Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
Richard, we're going to rapid fire these last few questions here for you. Looking back at your draft profile, right. I mean, there's a lot of critiques on you. Mel Kuiper called you a reach in the fifth round.
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Richard Sherman
In the fifth.
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Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
In the fifth. Rich joke. Do you think they were accurate or are they just bad analysis overall? I mean, how much do you think your game really grew when you were in the NFL?
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Richard Sherman
I thought I was a really good player when I came into the NFL and I felt like I proved the point when I was in the NFL. I definitely had some room to grow, but I thought they, their analysis of me was insane. Some of the things they said I didn't. Doesn't tackle well in space. Could. Couldn't make for a serviceable backup, doesn't recover well, average ball skills. Richard doesn't.
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Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
Those track, man, those track. I watched you throughout your whole career. It makes sense.
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Richard Sherman
It makes sense. It makes sense. I'm not recognizing these routes very quickly, Mitchell. I'm definitely not diagnosing things and, and reading them and reacting.
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Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
And it's not like your greatest strength or anything, you know?
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Richard Sherman
No, no, no. I don't play the game above the shoulders. I'm playing off pure athletic ability out here, so that's what I'm doing. So I, you know, I think some of the things about some of these players you can't measure. You can't measure a dog and I'm a dog, and you can't measure the competitive nature, the competitive spirit, how well a guy really meshes with the National Football League in the style in the National Football League. I don't think I was a great college player because I wasn't great in a college scheme. And the things they were asking me to do didn't fit my, my strengths. And then I got to the league and they were like, hey, play. Play how you're comfortable. But yeah, I just felt like I was a better fit in the National Football League and, and I could study film more. I could feel I understood the west coast offense. So, you know, these, these analysis aren't always accurate and sometimes guys don't fit the place they're they're going. You know, sometimes you're drafted in a spot that isn't a great scheme fit, isn't a great city fit isn't great for what you do and what you're going to be asked to do. So, you know, you, you hopefully hope these guys land in a spot that really, really can showcase their abilities.
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Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
Who is the hardest team for you to play against both physically and emotionally.
- [63:47]
Richard Sherman
That was San Francisco 49ers. Just because there was so much history, so much background, so much depth to those rivalries, I don't think we got emotionally involved with many other teams outside
- [63:57]
Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
of the NFC West. Who would you say the biggest rivals were during the LOB era for you?
- [64:04]
Richard Sherman
Probably the, either Green Bay or the Carolina Panthers. Those are the teams we saw most. We saw Carolina dang near every year for some reason. And it felt like they were a division rivalry at that point. We kept seeing them so often, but Green Bay we just saw in a lot of big games. We saw both those teams in the playoffs, so those two.
- [64:24]
Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
What was your favorite memory as a Seahawks player?
- [64:30]
Richard Sherman
I don't know if I want to go one specific memory. I obviously winning the super bowl was, was incredible, but I think just all the locker room moments and just that time of being around such high level players and, and it's, it's almost like a, you know, for a five year period, you're in a zone, you know, where you feel like you can, you can execute. You're, you're in total rhythm mentally with the guys you're, you're around. Everybody has the same goal and moving in the same direction. And although you're all, you know, alpha males in your own right, you recognize that it takes humility to be able to win together in a team sport. And I think we had the perfect guys to do that with.
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Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
Richard, when you moved on to go to the play for The San Francisco 49ers, what was this standout moment for you when you realized the 49er faithful had won you over?
- [65:18]
Richard Sherman
You know, I think just throughout the season you go on a road as A San Francisco 49ers, you just hear him, you know, especially during the 19 season, we were winning so much on the road, you, you'd hear them almost take over stadiums and that was really cool and that was really fun. You know, coupled with winning and playing great defense, it made for a great environment and you know, that was a really fun season. Being able to, to do that after we had, we really struggled the season before and I was coming off the injury and I was able to play better, closer to, to my true ability that season. And just getting that kind of support on the road was fun.
- [65:54]
Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
Do you ever regret, and I know this is one of the staple moments, you probably get asked a lot about Richard. Do you ever regret calling Michael Crabtree mediocre trash?
- [66:08]
Richard Sherman
No, no. Can never regret Colton saying the truth. Mitchell Truth. Truth stands the test. Time.
- [66:16]
Mitchell (Co-host/Interviewer)
Well, guys, we really, really appreciate you guys submitting all these questions. We're trying to, you know, keep you guys in the loop as much as possible with the content Richard's delivering on a weekly basis. Greatly appreciate you guys. Richard, I will let you sign us off, my friend.
- [66:32]
Richard Sherman
As always, you guys are incredible. Thank you for joining us again. You could be anywhere in the world but you're here with us and we truly appreciate it. Stay tuned. We'll have some Draft day coverage after the first round. We'll have more guests on the show. We'll see you next time. Foreign.
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