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Richard Sherman
Sherman Podcast and I just want to say I appreciate you guys. You can be getting your NFL content for all from anywhere but you're here with me. I'm thankful for you. So hit that sub button so you can get the notifications when I'm dropping a new episode. All love. Hope you guys are having a great New Year's, accomplishing all your New Year's resolutions and staying healthy. Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast. And you know what time it is. It's super bowl time. The Seattle Seahawks returned to the super bowl for the first time since 2014 and they play the same opponent that they played in 2014. But Mitchell, this time the result is going to be different. But we'll get to that game in a second. Right now we got to talk about Sam Darnold. Mvp. Mvp. Sam Darnold could not have played a better game. You Talk about beating the allegations. Sam Darnold can't play against the Rams. Sam Darnold can't be playing the playoffs. Sam Darnold can't play in the clutch. Sam Donald on his way to the super bowl. Sam Donald, 25, 36, 346 yards, three touchdowns. Guess how many interceptions Mitchell?
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Mitchell
Zero.
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Richard Sherman
Zero. Zilch. They did not get the, they did not get a turnover turnover off of him. He did have a fumble in the game where it was a mishandled snap, but we're not going to talk about that. He made play after play, converted third down after third down. And on the flip side, that defense dark side was the perfect game for him. But they made stops when it mattered. They made the stops in critical third down stops. They held the Rams to 1 for 8 on third down which, which really had a huge factor in determining the outcome of this ball game. And then our guy, Jackson, Smith and Jigba and everybody messes his name up. So just say jsn. If you're going to the super bowl, you don't know his name. JSN is perfectly acceptable to say. You don't got to go to, you know, butchering his, his, his last name. You don't got to do that. JSN is perfectly fine, probably the offensive player of the year. And they're playing against the, the likely MVP of the league in, in Matthew Stafford and Mitchell. It was a master performance by him. We're not going to take anything away from Matthew Stafford. He was 22 of 35, 374 yards, three touchdowns. He did his thing, but it wasn't good enough. Was not good enough. It was not good enough because the way Sam Darnold controlled this game, he controlled it from start to finish. K9 didn't have a huge game, but he made an impact in the past game, converting a huge third down. I think it was a third and 10. Caught an out route, Mitchell. That was the last thing I was expecting them to throw in. That situation was an out. A 10 yard out to our 9 yard out to K9 and he converted. Um, they, they threw a touchdown to my guy Bobo. Again, unexpected play off of a big play off of the big muffed punt, turnover. They convert. Obviously we got to talk about Reek Woolen and that whole situation. But Mitchell, I'm just so excited.
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Mitchell
I know you're fired up, Richard. You deserve to be so. I mean, what a win for the Seattle Seahawk team. But we've been talking about their defense all week long and how Dominant they were. This game was ultimately won by Sam Darnold. Was what an impressive showing by him. Again we go back to the talent evaluation in the off season. Moving on from Gino Smith, insert Sam Darnold. He delivers in the clutch for the Seattle Seahawk team. Richard, I'll be honest with you. I did not see this coming going into the season. What a turnaround for this team winning a very competitive division in the NFC West. My goodness, Richard, I know you're fired up. I we got to see some parents because Richard, the last time the Seattle Seahawks made the super bowl, you were on the team. How does this team Compare to the 2013, 2014 Seattle Seahawk Time?
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Richard Sherman
Let's not do the compare and contrast thing.
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Mitchell
I know you don't want to go there. I know you don't.
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Richard Sherman
But we don't need to go there because it's two different. It's two different animals and two different species of animal. But they're going to the same place and they're going to an NFC west opponent stadium to try to win a Super Bowl. That's the similarities. That's the contrast. And they're playing against the New England Patriots. But a big change. Mitchell is the quarterback position. They don't have touchdown Tom Brady at the helm. They have a young Drake May who is on his way a a MVP candidate this year. Had a fantastic football year. But Drake May, these boys are hungry. They are hungry. Drake May starving. You know, like this defense is flying around. It was not perfect. They're playing against Matthew Stafford and Sean McVeigh. They had an incredible plan. They did a good job puking. Akua had nine for 165 in a touchdown. Divisional opponents know each other. They do well. The Patriots have a really good offense, a really good defense, really good special teams, well coached, great scheme, great disguise, all the things. But they are running into a buzzsaw. They are running into a buzz saw. And if Sam Darnold is playing the way he played in this game, it's going to be tough. That's going to be a tough team to beat. This isn't. You're not. You're not going to have to worry about the conditions. The Patriots have played in tough conditions in the last couple games. I think all three games because the two games in New England and then played in snowy conditions in Denver. This is going to be a 55 degree night in San Francisco with clear skies and blue eyes. You're going to have to deal with this defense in the looks that that Mike McDonald is going to give you the looks that Clint Kubiak, who was in his absolute bag in this game, the touchdown to Jackson, Smith and Jigba, the way he manipulated the defense. You put the, put a receiver in the backfield, there's very outside of man coverage. It's much more difficult for the defense to account for them on deep vertical routes. They, they held the backside corner, they're to the short side of the field to the weak side of the field and they ran a corner route. Nobody's responsible for him. Like, do you handle it with the linebacker? Is the safety responsible for it? That's not where their eyes are going. Their eyes are going to totally different places because that play was schemed up for this specific defense. It was wide open. Sam Darnold did not miss it. He hit it right on the nails. Bang. Touchdown. Beautifully drawn up play. And you can still see Rasheed Shahid, Rashid Shahid at a 51 yard catch where they just dropped back early in the game and said, hey, you are going to respect the speed of this man or we're going to punish you. The, the Rams play with their safety so shallow. They played it shallow the first two games. This game you played it shallow. You got punished the rest of that game. For, for the most part, the safeties played a little with a little bit more respect and depth around Rasheed Shahid and he didn't get another opportunity to take top off the defense. But I think going into this game against the New England Patriots, that's going to be something they're hyper aware of. They play a lot of man, man coverage. They have incredible corners that can get the job done. But that's the kind of that's next man speed, Mitchell. That's next man speed. That's, that's the speed that'll blow by you. And so they're gonna have to be aware of that. And then Jackson, Smith and Jigba and his relationship and chemistry with Sam Darnold is incredible. And then K9 just being a workhorse. He was a workhorse tonight. Carried the ball 19 times. That's a lot of, a lot of carries for a young back there. There isn't. There wasn't the sharing of the backfield split backfield that they've had with Charbonnet. He had to carry the load and he did a fantastic job. I love this team. I love what they did. Nick Eminwauri, you talk about defensive MVP Mitchell. He was everywhere like project roaches. I mean, everywhere you look over here, is he playing corner Is he playing safety? Is he playing nickel? Is it two of them on the field? Mitchell, he made every, it felt like he was in on every tackle, every critical play. He had multiple PBUs. He guarded everybody from Devonte to Puka to, to Kobe Parkinson to, to Kyron Williams. Like I seen him playing Sam. I thought I saw him at dm. Did I see him at center for a few plays? I'm not sure but. But the man was everywhere and he's only a rookie. He's only going to get better. Oh I can't wait.
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Mitchell
Richard Mike McDonald bag on the defensive play calls. We saw it late in the game. Take me through the play. Fourth down, five minutes left in the game. The Matthew Stafford and the LA Rams are at the doorstep of the end zone on 4th and 4 and, and the Rams show a lot of pressure and ultimately drop it back into coverage. You know what's going through your mind as a defensive know player, someone with dispensive skill sets and analysis like you have what's going through your head in a play call like that?
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Richard Sherman
Well I, I mean everything, everything down in distance, spot on the field formation. The plays they like to run out of these formations at this part of the field obviously the down distance they got to get it. Where's Puking Nua? Where. Where's the running back? Who's going to be responsible for him? Are we going to drop deep? What's. Are we bringing pressure? Is the ball coming out fast? All those things are going through your head. But again being calm and chaos is what creates champions. And, and again I said this team was going to be tested Mitchell I said they were going to be tested in this game and unfortunately it was a self inflicted test but it was a test all the same. When, when Reek Woolen made an incredible play on the football. Had. He's had an incredible resurgence this season. Late in the season he played a really good game. Multiple deflections. Should have had an interception on that play. And he got let his emotions get the best of him. It happens. Mitchell talking about somebody who get a little emotional out there. I let it go but went a little overboard. Got the penalty. I didn't think the refs should have called it but they're. They're being tight usually in the playoffs. NFC championship. They're letting, they're letting the. Letting it talk. But his emotions got the best of them. They attacked him on the next play. Touchdown. Now the game is much closer. It was. It goes from. It's a full seven point swing. They Would go from punting the football to scoring a touchdown on the following play. Fast forward to the sideline. Tempers, Mitchell. Tempers flare frustration because the defense was off the field. Obvious natural frustration. That's adversity. It's sometimes very difficult to rein that back in and the right way and to get that energy back directed the right way. Sometimes coaches go knee jerk, reaction, snatch, reek, woolen out the game. Like, like sit him down, bench him for the game. Like, this is the NFC championship. These things are happening in seconds and moments, like it's happening in real time. That's not what, what, what Mike McDonald did. That's not what he did at all. He said, hey, you better than you know. I don't know what he said to him, but I'm guessing it was something along the lines of, you got to be better than that. We can't, we can't have that. But hey, you go out there and make up for it. He went out there and finished the game, made, you know, made some good plays, tackled well, didn't let it, didn't let it continue to be a hindrance. The rest of the defense did not let it pull them down and, and allow it to, to deter them or distract them away from getting a win in that game. Multiple plays made by, by Witherspoon Spoon made huge plays on that last drive in the end zone. Both plays in the end zone saving touchdowns. Incredible. Incredible. And the D line obviously did what they did. Again, these guys, a lot of these guys, most of these guys are playing in their very first Super Bowl. Sam Darnold, the first, I want to say he's the first quarterback from that 2018 class to even make it to a Super Bowl. You, you talk about career arc, you talk about a resurgence, you talk about a comeback story. Don't call it a comeback. He's been here for years. 14 win season last year, 14 win season this year. Number one seed seat team in the super bowl right now. If you were talking about other quarterbacks, Mitchell, you'd be talking really greasy about them. You know, we've, we've talked a lot about other quarterbacks and how they've had great regular seasons, but in the playoffs it hasn't happened. And we've, we've been waiting for Sam Darnold to have the kind of games that we could say, hey, he might be a guy because there's, there's so much hesitation to call him the guy because of the way last season ended, because of the way he was affected by pressure, because of the four interception game against the Rams the first time. But boy, it's getting more and more difficult. Not to say Sam Darnold might be one of those guys. I mean, layered passes, dime passes, great reads, poison the pocket, pocket movement, you know, getting out of there when he has to, throwing the ball away when he needs to. Just making good decisions under duress, changing that narrative. You talk about the guy that was the number three pick in the draft looking like a. Looking like a number three pick to me. Mitchell taking his team to the Super Bowl. Obviously both sides of the ball needed to play well, but there were multiple drives where they were put in third and 10 situations. And Doug Baldwin was sitting in our suite and we were talking the game, the whole game, and he was like, he's just staying away from negative plays now. Did they have a few. Did he get sacked a few times? No question. But he didn't fumble the ball. He didn't make a crazy decision, a crazy mistake when, when he got early, pester. He. He ate the football, got us to the next play, got got there. Hey, take the loss, run the ball, whatever, punt the ball away, will live to fight another day. I think that takes poise and maturity and they look like a Super bowl champion to me. Mitchell, I told, I said it before I thought, the winner of this game wins the Super Bowl. I have not changed my opinion.
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Mitchell
You've been pretty spot on and you were spot on coming out of training camp. Richard. Sam Darnold won this team, this game today. And Richard, it. It all started last drive of the first half. I mean, this team is down three points. They get the ball with under a minute left. They Sam Darnold marches down the field in under a minute, scores a touchdown to cap off what would have been a three point deficit going into the half to being up four and then obviously momentum swung. Seahawks go three and out and ultimately putt the ball. Xavier Scott muffs the putt, must the punt. And obviously that played such a huge role. But when you factor in the Xavier Scott blunder and the Tyreek Woolen blunder, it kind of cancels each other out. This Seahawk team deserves to be in this situation. They deserve to be going to the Super Bowl. It's going to be in San Francisco. I know you can't wait. Richard, you had the opportunity to speak with Tom Brady a little bit pre game. We saw it on social media. What's it like connecting with him? Kind words to say about these Seattle Seahawks.
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Richard Sherman
Yeah, yeah. I mean, Tom always has great words. It's always great catching up, you know, going over, asking about the family, all the good stuff. Been friends for a really long time now. But he was just talking, you know, glowingly about this defense and about how they've looked this, this season in this scheme and even offensively, Jackson, Smith and Jigba and what they've done. And he said a lot of it on the broadcast, but they're an incredible team. Like, they deserve to be here. Spent all three phases of the game. They're well coached. And for Mike McDonald to do this the way he has is in only his second season is incredible. Like to take a team, they won 10 games last year and then they go on and win and make it to a Super bowl and potentially could win a Super bowl this season. You talk about a turnaround and just a guy coming in with a plan and executing it and guys buying into the culture. So many fantastic things. And if you look now, I wouldn't be surprised if you start to hear about a renegotiation of Sam Darnold's contract. Because right now, bargain Mitchell. I'm talking a bargain. I'm talking about right now. You got a Ferrari for a Honda price, Mitchell. And there are people paying 50, 60 million. 50, 60 million to be home in the wild card. Mitchell. They. They paying 60 million. Wild Card 55. At the house watching the playoffs like they, the Seattle Seahawks are paying $37 million right now going to the Super Bowl. The, the New England Patriots are on, on a young kids rookie deal. That's usually how it's built. Hey, rookie deal, you know, built the team around him, strong team around him, great receivers. All this stuff. They don't necessarily have the deepest or, or craziest receiving core you've. You've heard of in terms of the New England Patriots. But I'm really impressed with Mike McDonald. I'm really impressed with this team. But Sam Darnold is changing the narrative in a big way right now. Sam Darnold goes out there and wins this Super Bowl. The list of people that have won Super Bowls, Mitchell. The list of people that have won Super Bowls over the last 10 years, very exclusive. I mean, you got Jalen Hurts last year, but a lot of it is Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes Stafford like Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes Stafford hurts. And then you gotta put our guy. What does that change? Hit the weight.
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Mitchell
There's a Nick Foles in there too. Richard. Let's not forget Nick Foles.
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Richard Sherman
That's so deep. That's so deep. That's that's been 10 years almost. Has it been 10 years?
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Mitchell
That's pretty darn close.
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Richard Sherman
Yeah, but it's about. I'm talking about recent memory, you know, no question you got a Nick Foles in there. But even then, Nick Foles didn't start off as the starter during the season. Great story. Nick Foles went out there and did it. Played at a high level. Sam Donald from start to finish, 14 win season. And we can talk about the Turnovers. He had 20 turnovers. Turnovers don't matter if you're not doing them in the playoffs. Playoff football is what matters. And he has not turned it over. I don't think he's turned it over once in these playoffs. So again, playing his best ball when his best is required.
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Mitchell
You know what team I would hate to be right team is probably catching a ton of strays, especially right now. And for the next two weeks leading up to super bowl is the Minnesota Vikings. Richard, what's going through your head if you're part of that fan base, if you're happen to be the GM of that team, what's going through your head is this you exiting stage right.
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Richard Sherman
Mitchell. Minnesota Vikings fans, I tried to tell you Minnesota Vikings fans, I don't think you made the right decision. I don't think. But all Minnesota Vikings fans, wait till you get to the playoffs. Wait till you see him in the playoffs. Wait. He'll show you why we got rid of them. I tell you what, you might have. You might have went out a little too soon. You know, when you. It's like the fans that leave a great comeback story way too early, they're like, our team lost this game and they leave the stadium. Then you hear the stadium roar and see the team comes all the way back and you're sitting out there like, let us back in. No, we not letting you back in. Minnesota Vikings, this decision sent you into what we call a rebuild. Y' all got to figure it out. Now you go from 14 wins to trying to find a win and now y' all probably staying at the win because you're not. You're not in these playoffs. You don't have a lot of hope or certainty about the future. And Sam Donald's in the Super Bowl. Sam Donald's in the super bowl and he's likely going to be favored. Team's going to be favored. Just through for 340. Didn't turn the ball over one. They played the same Rams team, not the same Rams team. Every team is different. Every year different team. But played the Rams team that, that sacked him nine times the year before. So you talk about having to go back and face your fear, Mitchell, face your demons. You got to face him. You got to look them in the eye and then conquer them. You got to conquer the dragon. He conquered it. He conquered the Chris Shula scheme. He was sacked three times, a whole lot different than nine. And he played effective and efficient football. The Minnesota Vikings clearly made a mistake. I think everybody can acknowledge that now. Sure, there was a narrative that, that stuck with Sam Darnold. If they kept him, would they have won 14 years games? I'm not sure. But would they be in the playoffs? I think they would. What? What? Justin Jefferson and Addison have had a better season, no question about it. Would their offense have run a little bit more smoothly? I believe so. But instead you're watching another team who got him for a bargain have success. Now if JJ McCarthy somehow ends up having a resurgence year and being the guy, great. But you still wasted a year of a lot of your your team. Like where is Flores next year? Does he stay with the Minnesota Vikings? I know they signed him to an extension, but if he gets a head coaching job, what happens then? Does that defense look the same? Things change year to year. The rest of the teams in your division, the Chicago Bears are getting better, the Green Bay packers, your Detroit Lions, everybody in that division is getting better. And are you better? Like do you have the fourth best quarterback in that division? Yes, you have the worst, you have the worst quarterback in the North. Would that be the truth if, if you had Sam Darnold? I don't know. But he in a Super bowl right now. And that's all I could talk about. All I could talk about is Sam Darnold may be about to win a Super Bowl. And if you talk about going from one team where you get put out in the wild card to another team where you win a Super Bowl. He wins a Super Bowl. Mitchell, that's like your ex girlfriend going out and marrying a movie star and she leaving you and going to marry Jeff Bezos. And now you got to live with that. Like you got to watch her live this extravagant life. You thought you were going to do better and the grass was greener and now you sitting there eating top ramen and eating ice cream out the out the tub. Things change quickly in the national football.
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Mitchell
They sure do. And you want to talk about somebody that is taught. You look at Sam Darnold's career arc, right? Top five pick ultimately burns out and the jets goes to Carolina, is competing for a backup job with Baker Mayfield there, then goes over to San Francisco, ultimately winds up in Minnesota, and then here we are in Seattle. I mean, I don't know if many people saw this coming. He's on the doorstep of another super bowl championship in Seattle. What a time to be a Seattle Seahawk fan. Richard, I'm so excited. One thing we did leave out in this conversation is a little bit of a revenge game for Cooper Cup. Gets into the end zone, calls it, hauls in a huge third and eight. You know, late in that game to convert to ultimately ice this game. That's got to feel pretty darn good. And Richard, I know you've had experience with revenge games against your former opponent. That's a big game for Cooper cup, no question about it.
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Richard Sherman
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Richard Sherman
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Richard Sherman
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Mitchell
I like it all. I like, I like anything with K9. Richard. I'm calling it. Going to this game. I like K9 to take home the MVP. I think we saw it in this game in the NFC Championship game. He's capable of toting the Rock single handedly. I see him getting the ball numerous times, getting over the end zone a couple times. He's my mvp.
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Richard Sherman
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Richard Sherman
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Questlove
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ASAP Rocky
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ASAP Rocky
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Questlove
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Podcast Host / Dr. Jesse Mills
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Mitchell
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Richard Sherman
Empathy and some compassion.
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Mitchell
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Richard Sherman
Yes, yes. You take the point, you always take the points. And it's just become a day and age of analytics. And I'll say this about Sean Payton. Sean Payton is the most analytics and information driven coach in the National Football League. At least top five. He takes in the information, he considers everything about scenario, the situation and he tries to put his team in the best situation to get to win the football game. Clearly he thought they could execute that and get it done. But the repercussions of that play will haunt him for a very, very long time. And mind you, Sean Payton is the king of, of crazy controversial endings. Everybody remembers that, that Rams Saints game where that, that non pass interference call where he crashed into the receiver when the ball got there. I mean this, this goes to that because to lose this game 10 to 7, your defense battled the entire game, kept you in it. The other team misses multiple field goals. Obviously one of them was 60 plus, but they miss multiple field goals. You're without your start, especially when you're without your starting quarterback. You don't have your starting quarterback. You know, points are going to be at a premium. You do not play this, this game. And I think he just played the hand too aggressively and I'm sure he regrets it. I mean why wouldn't he? That's just an honest conversation. They had chances in this game though. They had chances but you know eventually he was going to fold. It was going to be tough for you to win this game against a, a battle tested New England Patriots team coached by Mike Ravel. Those guys play with a lot of passion, a lot of chemistry, a lot of energy and a lot of want to, a lot of willpower. Guys are, are battling and I got a lot of respect for what Brable's doing with the New England Patriots. I mean again in his first season. You talk about regret. What were the Tennessee Titans doing? Like the Tennessee Titans are right now in probably this decade's hall of Fame for worse decisions. I mean they're up there because trade away A.J. brown, Super bowl, say Mike Vrabel is not going to be your coach. Hire Callahan, get rid of him in the middle of his contract. Rabel goes on in New England, takes him to the super bowl in his first year. Guess who was right? Not. Not Tennessee. And now I think they made a great decision because I'm biased and I think Robert Sala is a great, fantastic football coach, but I'm not sure anybody he's going to be able to get enough talent in Tennessee to get there. But why would you ever get rid of rape? Like what? In that process where you take away his best player. Makes sense, but he's done a fantastic job with this team. Their defense did a great job in this game. They had three sacks in the interception. The Broncos sacked Drake May five times. He's been sacked. What? In these playoffs. He. I think it was the 10 times before, so 15 times. I think he's sacked at least five times in each and every game. So expect the Seattle Seahawks to be able to get home against this team. Wait, no. Vice versa. Vice versa. The Patriots. Yeah. Yeah. The Broncos defense have five sacks. The Patriots tried to run the ball and control the clock. They did a great job of it. Randre Stevenson, 25 carries, only 71 yards, but they stuck to it. Not a lot of teams stick to the run game anymore. And that's what the New England Patriots did. Drake May only completed 10 passes in this game for 86 yards. Ran the ball 65 times. I mean, ran the ball for 65 yards in the. Go ahead first down. Had him a rushing touchdown in the game. And that was the difference in the game. His legs were the difference in this ball game. I think that at the end of the day, they're going to have a tough time with the Seattle Seahawks defense. I think on both sides of the football, the Seattle Seahawks are better. But it's a Super bowl and, and they're going to be well coached. They're going to have two weeks to prepare. They're going to have all the information, everything they need to come up with a great game plan. But I think if you're just looking at it on paper, if you look at the initial spread, I would think that the. The Seattle Seahawks are favored. But you got to correct me if I'm wrong.
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Mitchell
Well, we'll have plenty of time to dive into that. Richard. It's so impressive to see Drake May in the second year of his career, you know, coming out, fighting through the adversity with the snow in that second half, it was not, not a game that you wanted to be a quarterback in. Fortunately for him, he's got the legs he can lean on to get this done. This play ultimately comes down, this game ultimately comes down to two different decisions. One being the, the fourth and one go for it and the other being the call of Jarrett Stidham's pass, ultimately calling it a fumble. Richard, your thoughts on that? Because as the play developed, it looked like it was a forward pass. It looked like it should have just been intentional grounding. Did you think that was truly a fumble on that push pass from Jared Stidham?
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Richard Sherman
I don't know. I don't know. I, I don't want to. That's a tough call. That's a tough call. That's, that's one that could have went either way. Was it intentional grounding? Maybe. But again, you knew that a backup quarterback was going to make mistake also at the interception to Christian Gonzalez late in that game. And, and, and there were a number of plays that, that kind of got away from him. You, you, you. But he played about as good as you could expect a backup quarterback to play. If I'm being honest like you, you shouldn't be expecting all world play from the backup quarterback who hasn't played, who hasn't started a game and throwing a pass I think since 2023. I mean what, what could we expect? He was 17, 31, 133 yards, touchdown interception in that, that fumble. That could have not been a fumble, but huge game. But I, I don't know. I get tired of talking about these controversial plays. I know, I know everybody's going to be talking about it all week, no question about it. But I want to talk about the super bowl matchup because The Patriots won 10, 7. The Broncos defense I felt like played well enough to, to get a win. They didn't get enough from the quarterback spot. They didn't get enough from their offense. Obviously. Unfortunately, that's how it goes. You usually defense wins championships, but again, you got to get something from your quarterback. It's the same thing with the Houston Texans. Like they battled their butt off, but quarterback turns the ball over four or five times, it's going to be difficult to win that game. Has, has I have. I played on a great defense where the quarterback turned the ball over four times and we won a Super Bowl. I mean, won the NFC championship. Yes, no question about that. But you know, not every defense built like that. But this is going to be a great chess match in this game. I cannot wait to see the things that Kubiak build draws up and builds into this offense to get Jackson, Smith and Jigba open. Obviously they're going to either put Christian Goods, I think they put Christian Gonzalez on him, I think they put Carlton Davis on Rashid Shahid as the matchup because they do like to match up. I'm sure Marcus Jones will, will factor in there somewhere, but I don't think, I think Jackson, Smith and Jigba is going to be on the move the entire game. I don't think they're going to ever have him, have him stagnant in this game. I don't think he's ever going to just be in one place when the play starts. I think that's going to be the, the key to this game moving them around. And also K9, K9 how explosive he is. If he finds a lane in this game, you know, it's a home run ball. So I, I, I can't wait to, to dive into this tape really see how these teams were able to manipulate one one another to get these wins. But if you just look at the year we won the super bowl, like Sam Donald is playing at a high enough level to win a Super Bowl. If your defense plays like, like it needs to, there is, there should be no expectation for them not to go in this game and win going away, not even win and have it be close. You know, I, I mean it's going to be close because this team got a lot of pride, they got a lot of talent. They, it's a reason they're on in the super bowl as well. But I just can't see a world. I, and I don't want to jinx it. Nah, it's gonna be about, let's say, let's just say that I don't want to jinx nothing. It's going to be a dog fight. It's going to be a battle. All the right things.
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Mitchell
I'm with you, Richard. I love the Seahawks in this matchup as well. We're gonna have a lot of time to talk about this game. I'm sure we'll have guests leading up to the Super Bowl. Richard, it's always a pleasure. Before we sign off, Seattle Seahawks are going to the Super Bowl. You got to be absolutely fired up. We appreciate all you guys for joining us all season long. This is going to be an epic road to the Super Bowl. We can't wait to bring you guys in along the way of these next couple weeks. We Richard, I will let us let you sign us off, my friend.
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Richard Sherman
Thank you, guys, for, as always, for joining us all season long. The Seattle Seahawks are back in the Super Bowl. I know you love to see it. If you don't love to see it, I'm sorry for you. We'll get them next year. But the Seattle Seahawks may be on their way to their second super bowl, and I will be there in the stands cheering them on, hoping we get our revenge from that 2014 Super Bowl. Oh, my God. Oh, we gotta exercise those demons. But, my goodness, if you look at the AFC side, outside of the Cincinnati Bengals, there's nobody that goes to the super bowl from the afc. Unless you're. The Kansas City Chiefs are the New England Patriots in 2016. New England in 2017. New England 2018. New England in 2020. Kansas City. 2021. Cincinnati. Nice. Cincinnati. 2022 Kansas City. 2023. Kansas City. 2024 Kansas City. Guess who 25 is, Mitchell?
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Mitchell
The New England Patriots. Welcome back. Welcome back. Welcome back. That short stint in purgatory that did not last very long, Richard. It must be nice to be a New England Patriots fan. I would love to know how it feels being up here in Detroit. Please bring us some of your luck next year. Please. It's what I beg.
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Richard Sherman
Well, you guys had a chance, Mitchell, you know, luck. Look, you know, we're not gonna talk about that. It's.
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Mitchell
But we'll catch him on the podcast in the off season for that talk, man.
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Richard Sherman
The off season. Yeah. We'll deal with that pain. But thank you, as always, for joining us. This has been a beautiful, fantastic, entertaining National Football League season. The Seattle Seahawks are returning to the super bowl to play the New England Patriots and hopefully beat the New England Patriots. We will see you next time for the super bowl preview and all of the interviews that we have between. Because there's two weeks of exciting content to give you, and you gotta be here or be square. Make sure you hit that sub button if you're new. All love.
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