Richard Sherman Podcast - Reaction to 49ers drama, Seahawks future & Steelers Add Rodgers + Ramsey

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Episode Featuring Richard Sherman

Episode: Richard Sherman Podcast - Reaction to 49ers Drama, Seahawks Future & Steelers Add Rodgers + Ramsey
Release Date: July 21, 2025

The Herd with Colin Cowherd brings listeners an engaging and in-depth conversation with former NFL star Richard Sherman and Pittsburgh Steelers cornerback Darius Slay. This episode delves into recent team changes, player contracts, MVP debates, and broader NFL dynamics, offering valuable insights for sports enthusiasts.

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1. Introduction of Co-Host and Show Format

The episode kicks off with Richard Sherman announcing a new weekly co-host, Darius Slay, marking a fresh dynamic for discussing Steelers, league-wide happenings, and cornerback play.

• [02:36] Richard Sherman: "Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast...Every single week we're going to have my guy Big Play Slay on the show to co-host with me."

• [02:55] Darius Slay: "What's up, what's up, everybody? Man, I'm proud to be on the show. Looking forward to it, man. Gonna be a great year for us."

2. Personal Reflections on Super Bowl and Team Dynamics

Richard Sherman shares his sentiments about recently acquiring a Super Bowl ring, emphasizing the emotional significance over the victory itself.

• [03:13] Sherman: "You know, that thing looked like a mountain."

• [04:36] Sherman: "I can't be Super Bowl win."

Darius Slay reflects on the mixed emotions of celebrations, missing teammates like Woody, and the business aspects of the sport.

• [04:06] Slay: "I'm champion. I'm a champ."

3. Pittsburgh Steelers' Offseason Moves: Adding Aaron Rodgers and Jaylen Ramsey

The discussion focuses on the Steelers' strategic acquisitions of quarterback Aaron Rodgers and cornerback Jaylen Ramsey, assessing their impact and the team’s competitive edge.

• [05:15] Slay: "He's been great... He's all in. He's looking forward to winning... He's always been competitive."

• [05:59] Sherman: "You got T.J. Watt signing a record deal... What, three years, $120 million."

Slay praises Rodgers' defensive prowess and anticipates his contribution to the team's success.

4. Financial Implications: Player Contracts and Investments

The conversation delves into the financial aspects of player contracts, highlighting the significance of high-value deals and their influence on team performance.

• [06:09] Slay: "He made three in three years... He is arguably the best defensive player in this league."

• [17:20] Sherman: Discusses the evolving landscape of guaranteed contracts for draft picks, emphasizing the positive impact on player security.

5. MVP Race Analysis: Lamar Jackson vs. Josh Allen

Richard Sherman and Darius Slay debate the merits of quarterback performances, questioning MVP voting decisions and player statistics.

• [42:48] Sherman: "This whole MVP conversation just frustrated me last year... They gave it to him."

• [43:09] Slay: "Lamar's numbers were better... and he still ain't winning the MVP."

They analyze Lamar Jackson's enhanced passing statistics and contrast them with Josh Allen's high touchdown count but higher turnover rate.

6. Guaranteed Contracts for Draft Picks and Player Security

The hosts discuss the significance of fully guaranteed deals for second-round draft picks, citing recent examples and their benefits for players and their families.

• [44:46] Slay: "You can't be mad at that... They get full guarantee if these guys don't pan out."

• [46:18] Sherman: "They're setting their families straight. They get to play the game they love."

7. NFL Wide Receivers Rankings and Performance

A segment dedicated to ranking the top five NFL cornerbacks, with a focus on defensive strategies against prominent wide receivers.

• [25:25] Sherman: "Who are your top five corners in the NFL right now?"

• [25:53] Slay: "He might be the most gifted one out the bunch... just for the fact that he reminded myself with the Sherm elite ball skills."

They highlight players like Sauce Gardner, DK Metcalf, and discuss emerging talents such as Jalen Johnson and Trent McDuffie.

8. Community Engagement and Mentorship

Slay emphasizes the importance of community involvement and mentoring young athletes, drawing from personal experiences and the positive impact on future generations.

• [20:44] Slay: "Some people want to have an impact on the younger kids... showing how to get there."

• [20:10] Sherman: "You watching these kids in high school and you going to work out with them at parks and dirt fields... getting it out the mud."

9. Player Speed and Cross-Sport Comparisons: Tyreek Hill's Speed

A lighthearted yet insightful discussion on Tyreek Hill's exceptional speed, comparing his abilities to track athletes and pondering the feasibility of crossover success.

• [58:48] Sherman: "Tyreek Hill running a 10.1... what is he, 32?"

• [59:36] Slay: "He've got 9.1. He's still an all-pro football player... he's in his sport."

They debate the unrealistic expectations and the sheer athleticism required to excel across different sports disciplines.

10. Conclusion and Future Episodes

Richard Sherman wraps up the episode by acknowledging Darius Slay’s contributions and setting the stage for future discussions, reinforcing the show's commitment to in-depth sports analysis.

• [68:43] Sherman: "You could be anywhere in the world, but you're here with us, and we sure do appreciate it."

• [68:55] Slay: "Yes, sir. I appreciate you, man."

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Notable Quotes:

• [04:27] Richard Sherman: "We let you get away, but you let me get away?"

• [17:43] Sherman: "Sauce Gardner is the highest-paid corner in the National Football League. Congratulations to Sauce Gardner. Deserved all your money."

• [42:48] Richard Sherman: "Every quarterback that's starting in the National Football League... they're the most valuable."

• [54:07] Slay: "A.J. Brown is a dog. He does it all. He gets down."

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This episode offers a comprehensive look into the strategic movements within the NFL, the financial dynamics influencing player performance, and the personal insights of two seasoned athletes. Sherman and Slay provide a balanced perspective, blending technical analysis with personal anecdotes, making it a valuable listen for fans seeking depth and expertise in sports commentary.

Transcript

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[Richard Sherman]

Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast and I know it's been a while, but there's gonna be some changes this year. Every single week we we're going to have my guy big play slay on the show to co host with Me discuss Pittsburgh Steelers, the league. Cornerback play whatever's going on. Big play. Talk to him.

[Darius Slay]

What's up? What's up, everybody? Man, As y' all know, man, I'm here with my boy Sher, man, I'm proud to be on the show. Looking forward to it, man. Gonna be a great year for us, man. So we finally got this thing going, man. At least we could connect in some kind of way.

[Richard Sherman]

No question. No question. We gotta connect, but we got big news already. Let me see that ring. You know, that thing looked like a mountain.

[Darius Slay]

Come on, now. You know. You know it. You know it's here. You know, finally got. Hey, you had to go get that boy.

[Richard Sherman]

Yeah, you had to. You had to do it. Feel good, don't it, man?

[Darius Slay]

Look, felt better than winning.

[Richard Sherman]

It makes the winning feel real and, like, legit.

[Darius Slay]

Legit. Legit. I'm talking about just watching it. And then, man, you put that thing on your finger. I went home with it, man. I had the whole city looking at Marine.

[Richard Sherman]

I love it. I love it. How was the ceremony? How was. How was all that seeing the guys?

[Darius Slay]

I mean, the summer was good, man. I had some mixed emotions in there, man, just seeing my guys, man. Every coach, everybody that came to me that's in the front office, they like, man, slavery. Woody, wish you was here. And, you know. But, you know, the business part of it is the business part of it, but, man, that's gonna always be home. I appreciate the affiliate organization for sure. So I'm always thankful for him, man. That's it. You know what I'm saying? I'm thankful because they got. I'm champ. I'm a champ.

[Richard Sherman]

If y' all want me there, then y' all don't let me walk away then. Y'. All. Y' all wanted me there so bad. They got. Dang it. Give me a look. Look. Change. And I'll be right there with the Philadelphia Eagles number. Number two on my chest. But, you know, I don't want it that bad. You know, everybody say how bad they want it, you know, when you're gone. Oh, man, we so. We sure do wish you.

[Darius Slay]

Ah.

[Richard Sherman]

We let you get away, but. But you let me get away?

[Darius Slay]

Hell, yeah. Yeah, man, you know, but it's all good, man. It's all love. There's no. No hard feelings at all right now for sure.

[Richard Sherman]

I can't be. Super bowl win.

[Darius Slay]

Yeah. I mean, in a good note now, we would have lost the Super Bowl. Probably been hot, right?

[Richard Sherman]

Right. Well, let's talk about your new team, then. Let's talk about your new team, because you're in Pittsburgh now. Pittsburgh Steeler. Big play. Slay. Y' all got a Rod. Now, there a lot of speculation in offseason whether he was coming to Pittsburgh, whether he not coming. You know, is he s. Is he retiring? Tell me how that's been. Obviously, you guys have gone through OTAs and minicamp, and. And there's always this. This kind of. I don't know, this. This. I don't know, this. This understanding and. And kind of perception of what a Rod is and who he is as a player, who he is as a person. How has he been to you?

[Darius Slay]

Man, he's been great, man. You know, he came directly at the mini camp, you know, so we had a couple days just to hang around and talk about. And, man, he had to host his own little team. Meeting himself, man, and. And talk to the team and let us know, like, hey, man, he's all in. He's looking forward to winning. Man, he's always been, you know, competitive. He always loved his Pittsburgh nation, the fact of how their fans travel and all this kind of stuff. So he love to play for this kind of organization. So it's been good, man. He been a good dude. And for him coming in, definitely me and him as veterans on both offense and defense, I can get some knowledge off to these young guys, man, because, you know, this is something new for the Steelers, because Steelers ain't been this type of. Type of guys in a minute, you know, making these big trades, these type of big signings, and. And, you know, we're looking forward to winning.

[Richard Sherman]

Yeah. And. And then on top of that, you got that. But then you got T.J. watt signing a record deal. I mean, what, three years, $120 million. Let me hold something.

[Darius Slay]

I'm talking about telling you, man, he made. He made three in three years. He probably made more than what his brother was. And his brother was really that dude, too, so. And that's what's crazy. That boy, that's some money, and which he deserves because he is arguably the best player, defensive player in this league. And so I'm. I'm happy for it because it do me justice, because I need him getting after that quarterback, like, asap.

[Richard Sherman]

No question.

[Darius Slay]

Then.

[Richard Sherman]

Then you talk about Cam Hayward, had it all pro season last season, another great veteran presence. Then you look up and you think in the secondary, you got Joey Porter Jr. You got Minka Fitzpatrick, but then. Then you don't got Minka Fitzpatrick, and. And. And all of a sudden you got Jaylen Ramsey and. And have you had a chance to connect with him? And, you know, I remember you saying y' all used to have a group chat or something. How has that been?

[Darius Slay]

It's been good, man. Me and him been chatting the whole time and not knowing, like, I had a feeling that he was getting traded to us, but not knowing what the trade was, you know what I'm saying? So he called me a day before, man, we're just chopping it up, like, hey, man, slay what. How it is over there? Just giving him the updates and letting me know, like, man, it's good over here, man. You know, just hard work. You know, the guys are willing to learn and da da this and, you know, giving a little blueprint. I know because I'm new just as much as he knew, so. But when I saw the trade go through, I'm thinking at first it was just. It just like some draft picks or something. I thought it would be me, him, Mika, all those back, I'm like, look here, boy. It'll be crazy. Then I've seen the final results, like, okay, this is a little different, like, you know what I'm saying? So I'm just looking forward to it, you know. Now I've met Mika for a couple of times down there, man. He's a man, smart player, man. He is what Pittsburgh Nation is for sure, because definitely being in that building, man, he. He's ten toes down, he comes to work, he leads by example. So he was a great, great little teammate for me for the six days I was there, around there. I was looking forward to seeing that because that would been my real true first time actually coming in with another All Pro at that safety position and stay that guy. I kind of earned it with already, you know, I earned it with GQ and shoot. That's really it. That's my only All Pro safety. I play with DQ and I play with Pro bowl and Quandary Diggs, but a guy that was already fully established, that knows the game, that been there, this is gonna be my first All Pro. But now, you know, I replace him with another All Pro, and I feel like it's one of the best in the game as well. That's Jalen Ramsey. So it's gonna be great, man. You know, I get to play alongside another All Pro. It's gonna be my first time doing this, so I'm looking forward to it, man. I'm excited and, you know, and we're gonna see what we're gonna do, man.

[Richard Sherman]

Yeah, that's that's for sure what we're gonna do. We gonna see what it's gonna do because that, that's a lot of stuff in that corner room. And, and you know, with them trading for Minka, it, it makes me feel, and, and you know, just outside looking in, I don't got no insider information that Jalen's gonna have a role at safety and nickel and play it like that. And maybe they, they bring a safety in on nickel downs and he bumps down to the nickel out of the safety position. But you got Joey Porter Jr. Who's, who's been there and, and, and established himself as a starter in Pittsburgh. Then you come in with it. When an All Pro like yourself and All Pro like Jalen Ramsey, I, I'm interested to see how he responds both mentally or, or, you know, outwardly. And because you, you got to respect it. You got to respect the talent that they brought in the, the old heads. And if you, if you receive it right, I think there's benefit there. You know, you bring two all pros at your position, you soak in knowledge, you become a better player. You elevate your game, you elevate your practice habits, you elevate your, your film study habits. You learn things you couldn't have learned otherwise because you've just been learning from yourself. You had Pat Peterson there a couple years ago when he was young, he had, he had Pat there, so I'm sure he soaked up knowledge there. But you got two more coming in, so, you know, I, I, I, it's, it's one of them years for him where it's a contract year, money on the line. You're only signed for a one year deal. So, you know, if he, if he handles this right, this could go really well for him. But you know, young dudes sometimes don't handle things like this right, and, and it ends up being a detriment. And I, I don't think that's going to affect you or, or Ramsey because you guys are pros. You guys are pros, pros. You guys been been in this game long enough. Hey, y' all gonna show up, strap your cleats up, go out there and put on a show.

[Darius Slay]

Come on now. Hey, ain't nothing to it just to go out there and just. Paul, man. So like I said, ain't ain't nothing I never been in. You know, I've been challenged before. I got guys that coming. I had draft picks coming in that are supposed to be replacing the slave. All it is is, hey, man, I'M here to give you the knowledge. I'm always gonna be competitive, but I'm a competitive in a way of just, like, helping. You know, I'm saying I'm not here to, like, downplay nobody. I'm not here to sit here and say, I ain't helping the kid get grade or none of that. That's not how I operate, because that's not how I was done. So I'm here to give him everything, every tool. And the best man wins or whatever. How we do it. I don't even know how the package is gonna look. I don't know what Jaylon doing exactly.

[Richard Sherman]

All you know is you coming out there and you saying, hey, who you want me to cover? Any cover.

[Darius Slay]

Yeah, that's it. I'm just there, you know what I'm saying? I'm here to do my thing.

[Richard Sherman]

You got familiarity with this defense and this coordinator, though?

[Darius Slay]

Yeah, yeah, a lot, man. You know, that was my DC In Detroit, you know, gave me my first All Pro. You know, he. He's considered as basically one of the corner gurus for me. He kind of, like, set me down, and I was in his meet room every day almost with. With him and the DB coach learning. They taught me how to study film. They taught me a lot of things. So, man, you know, I'm like his first little young protege for his first defensive coordinator. And, you know, I panned out very well, and. And he always called me top five, top five, top five, top five.

[Richard Sherman]

That's what I was saying. He ain't five.

[Darius Slay]

Yeah, yeah. So that's my dude, man. So I'm looking forward to getting away with TA Again, man. It'll be fun. It'll be fun. I know one thing about TA man. He gonna make sure we have some fun.

[Richard Sherman]

No question about that. And speaking of fun, training camp starts this week. I don't know a lot about Pittsburgh's training camp. All the training camps I had were on site. You know what I mean? We in Seattle. In Seattle. We San Francisco. We right there at the stadium doing training camp. Is Pittsburgh's in Pittsburgh or. You know, I remember they said, tomlin goes to some camp, some college or something, man.

[Darius Slay]

Look, they said we go to somewhere called it look like a Harry Potter world. So I'm like. I remember me going down there, you know, when my first joint practice I ever had was in, what, 4, 15, went down there and went to Pittsburgh. We went to some little crazy, like, D2 school or something like that, and they had dorm rooms and all that. Oh yeah, so I heard. We was in dorm rooms and. And all kind of crazy stuff, man. So I'm like, this is going way. This is probably worse than college how this sounded. You know what I'm saying? But it's all good though, man. That's a tradition they have. And hey, no, I'm here to buy it all in and whatever needs done, I'm there to get the work in. Because no matter the location, where is that? Hey, we here to get better and win games. So that's the really thing that's only matter.

[Richard Sherman]

I'm excited. I'm excited. You know, we're gonna be checking in on with your own training camp and seeing how that goes. That dynamic we talking about, you know, I don't. We. You can't give us too much insider information, but if I see any. Anything rumbling on anybody saying anything in the media, I'm gonna have to ask.

[Darius Slay]

I already know you. I already know. I already know, man. I already know, sir. So hey, believe me, I'm gonna be here to tell you. I'll be here to tell you, so.

[Richard Sherman]

Okay.

[Darius Slay]

You know what I'm saying? But hey, I know. That's why I'm waiting on to switch the hat.

[Richard Sherman]

You know, I gotta switch the hat.

[Darius Slay]

It's a lot of drama going on in San Fran right now all the time. Feel like it's drama every other year. Like really every year. Not even gonna say every other year. It seems like somebody always want big money and. And I know y' all just got rid of a. Traded a big money guy. So the guy that was behind him want big money because he do a lot of dirty work. And I feel I got a lot of respect for him, man. So man Jennings, like he won a new contract or be traded. Like. Like how you feel about that right now?

[Richard Sherman]

It's sad, man. It's sad because. Not because of Juwan. Juwan deserves what he deserves, man. He put on a. He had almost a thousand yards last year, 77 catches. Did a great job. Does a great job separating doing all the dirty work. Run blocking, pass blocking. Like, hey, whatever. Whatever needs to be done, he's willing to do. And I think he would thrive if he was a number, you know, two receiver for somebody and really getting targets like the way he deserves. Like I. I think most of the time he got his high targets when most guys were out, you know, and he's the only guy there then he got 10, 11 catches and he looks the part. He. He's making big catches. Third and Juwan he's the guy that he used to go to on third down anyway after Kendrick Bourne left. But it. It does seem like this has just set precedent for the 49ers, because every year somebody's done it, you know, whether it's. Whether it was when. When Big Trent. Big Trent wanted more money, and he deserves it. Best tackle in football. And. And then he held out and did what he had to do to get his money. Nicholas John Bosa, coming off a defensive player or he. Yeah. Coming off a defensive player of the year. Needed my money.

[Darius Slay]

Need that.

[Richard Sherman]

Set out, did what he had to do, got his money. Brandon Iuk last year. And so when you continue to have guys do that and have success, you know, and get what they. What they're asking for is going to embolden other guys to be like, oh, well, if it worked for them.

[Darius Slay]

Might as well try my luck.

[Richard Sherman]

Might as well. Might as well try. I mean, why not? Y' all folding.

[Darius Slay]

Yeah.

[Richard Sherman]

And that's the hard part, because you're gonna have to put your foot down somewhere with someone, and you don't just want to be the guy. It's like playing musical chairs and being a guy standing up on the music stuff.

[Darius Slay]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can see that happening, though. They got to put their foot down for somebody because that's a fact. If. If guys feel like they producing in a higher level, they can always stand 10 toes down. So somebody will be example. And I feel like it might be him just of the fact.

[Richard Sherman]

But I. I think they might. I think they might do something. You know, I don't think they give them any more money. I think they may take some of the money from the year two. Yeah. And try to push it forward. So they could try to at least appease him. A band Aid, you know, push the issues back. They got a lot of dead money this year. They'll have more money next year when some of these dead money big contracts come off the books. But I think. I think you got to do something, you know, because you do not want another distraction kind of just lingering on into the season.

[Darius Slay]

Yeah. Because y' all don't. They don't. They don't set the tone already, you know, paid your quarterback, you know, page a tight end. You already got your running back, got your left tackle, got your middle linebacker. You just paid. Then you got your corner. You just paid. So they done start to set their tone to make sure they're going to be a championship team. But you got this distraction coming in here with another guy, want money it's just like, come on, y' all like it. Go get to a point of the tingle. But hey, man, that's play ball. I know everybody want their money, but people trying to win too as well.

[Richard Sherman]

So people are trying to win and that's where it's. It's tough because I know the fans are fatigued by it, you know, because they're just like, man, when is enough enough? Like when are we going to just have off season where guys just show up and play? But this is, it's an NFL. You know, Juwan Jennings played really well last year and he just wants to, to be compensated for him. I'm not mad at that. But it's just what comes with the business of football, you know, everybody understands the front office side of business. This is the player side of business. Like he. And he's standing on what they call business.

[Darius Slay]

Yeah.

[Richard Sherman]

So you gotta, you gotta respect it has to.

[Darius Slay]

It's a must.

[Richard Sherman]

You got to. And we're gonna speak on big money because you saw Sauce Gardner got his money. Highest paid corner in the National Football League. Congratulations to Sauce Gardner. Deserved all your money. Played well two first team all pros in your first two seasons. What are you thinking of this deal slay? I mean, I remember when we was fighting for 14, 15 million, you was the highest played at 16.7.

[Darius Slay]

Come on, look, that's what I'm saying. I'm like, I was scratching a claw for that and boy, and that was like what, four years ago? I'm talking about they done double that thing. I mean double. I'm talking about I went from 16, they going to 30. I'm like, goodness, well just. Can we just go back in time? Five more years for me to be making 30. Well, look, I can only imagine what you would have been asking for right now back in the day. Jesus.

[Richard Sherman]

More.

[Darius Slay]

I'm talking about 35. We might with a set history as being a cornerback. That might be the highest non paid quarterback.

[Richard Sherman]

Quarterback. Yeah, look, I would have loved that. But that, that's the stuff that I, I get frustrated when people go back in history and they talking about me or my game. I had 20 picks in my first three years. Like that wasn't I. I got mad when we was even negotiating at the negotiating table. I said, what are we talking about here? You find somebody who could have done more than what I did. Like you, you find that I. 20 picks in like how many games did I play? 26 games? Yeah, something like that. Like I, I did what you needed me to Do. We won a Super bowl with number one defense. I led the league in interceptions, like, you tell me something more I could have done with what y' all tell me to do. Y' all tell me who to cover, where to cover. I do the job at a high level, and that's what Sauce did. That's why he got his money. And that's big time.

[Darius Slay]

Yeah, and he got that with three picks, you talking about. You know what I'm saying? You talking about 20, right?

[Richard Sherman]

Three. Three. Look, look, it's a different game now. Hey, and I know that people gonna mention that, but you know, he's not getting targeted, but he also drops them, and that's all. You gotta.

[Darius Slay]

Gotta catch, man. He gotta catch. We got. We gotta get them hands in order. Now. He my. That's a little brother, man, you know, so even I've been watching him from afar and in person because when I played in Detroit, man, I went to his high school a bunch of time watching him play live. I've been at one of my little camps I've been having hosting. He was a little skinny, 61261, dude, skinny. Probably about a book. And look like out there, I'm like, look, yeah, I don't know what you're doing, but you need to eat. But, man, watching him now, you know, on the high, he is the highest paid corner in the league, man. Watching him do his thing, man, I'm so thankful for it, man, to be just a good mentor to him. And, you know, he's one of the best in this game right now. So he doing his thing, man. He doing his thing. I'm happy for him, man. I'm very happy for him.

[Richard Sherman]

I always love that about you Slay the way you go, you know what I mean? Back to the trenches. You watching these kids in high school and you going to work out with them at parks and dirt fields and, you know, I mean, getting it out the mud. That's old school.

[Darius Slay]

That's old school, man. That's how I was phrased, man. Old school love, man. That's how y' all do it, man. I just think a lot of guys that's at that profession, man, I know it can be unsafe. It can be because what it is in this world right now, but I feel like guys like us can be very impactful to the younger kids in this generation that's playing this sport because, like, I ain't see that coming up. So me going into these cities and just knowing that, hey, man, I'm human just like, y' all and I'm gonna work just how y' all need to work and I'm gonna show y', all, you know, know how to get there. You know what I'm saying? Some people is blessed enough to be talented enough to get there, but at least you got a chance to, you know, attempt and know what it would look like to get there.

[Richard Sherman]

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[Richard Sherman]

Speaking of corner play, there's some good corners out there playing right now, and I know Sauce just got paid, but who are your top five corners in the National Football League right now?

[Darius Slay]

You know, you know, I gotta go off with the, with the defensive player of the year for sure, man, as you know. And Patan, man, I've been watching him from long like that man, that nice. He nice. But I feel like the most gifted one for sure. Out the bunch is this guy right here and he's in. In Houston Texas, you know what I'm saying?

[Richard Sherman]

Stingley, Stingley, Stingley. Got that. He.

[Darius Slay]

He might be the most gifted one out the bunch, man, just for the fact that he reminded myself with the Sherm elite ball skills, you know.

[Richard Sherman]

I appreciate that.

[Darius Slay]

You know what I'm saying? The one that could just really attack the ball at every angle. See, the ball can turn to the receiver within a matter of seconds. You know, it took me a minute to turn to receive. I think DBR time ball down. He. He thinking is mine's. Now it's mine.

[Richard Sherman]

I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I'm thinking catch it until I. I ain't got no choice. Yeah, but I think sir Tan is one of the most technically sound corners to play. I mean in the game in general. Not just this decade or anything. I mean, you look at his tape and compared to any of the greats, anybody like, anybody. I'm not saying he got the interceptions that, that, that Charles Woodson got with 65 or all that, but when you look at the tape and you talk about how you should be playing press and what you look, the patience. He shows his off coverage. His, his pedal, his transition out of the pedal. His, his, his stem and weave. You like boy, this boy looked like he in the park by himself just drilling on cones. Except this real game situation, hey, that's.

[Darius Slay]

What, that's the privilege of having a first round daddy. He been in the backyard pilling since the daddy was in the league, man. That and you know, so shout out to Pat Sartan senior man for really getting your boy right, man, because your.

[Richard Sherman]

Boy like that, your boy is like that. And then you talk about Stingley. He got, he got just such a natural feel. Ball skills, the technique. He, he catching in space like he's got it all. He, he continuing to chase past her tan. Then you got sauce, sauce play playing at a really high level in New York. Got all the, the, the eyes on him, all the scrutiny and everything he's been dealing with, especially with Aaron Rodgers being there and solid and the issues they've been dealing with, he's looking forward to. With that money comes expectations though. So they going, they are going to be. You drop interceptions, it's going to be prime time news. It's going to be headline news. You, you go through and you have a zero interception year and you give up a touchdown, they gonna make you feel it. So, you know, with New York, no question with big money comes big responsibility. But I know he's ready for it. Who are some of the Other corners you think are, are up and coming. I mean, we talked about the three, three obvious ones and, and stay away from your teammates. We ain't going with your biased teammates and your new teammate.

[Darius Slay]

Hey, I'm, I'm gonna be, you know, saying I'm gonna leave my teammates out of. Cause I'm gonna show that they all my dogs. So they all gonna be top guys too as well. But a guy else that's coming up, man, that, that, that's contract coming up too as well. So I ain't gonna be like, I'm not gonna be surprised if he surpass it, depending on how the organization is, you know what I'm saying? Cause they win championships over there. That boy Trent McDuffie, you know what I'm saying? He's been all over the field, man. And he plays nickel, he travels, he does it all. He start off as a nickel and made all pro at a nickel. Then he went outside to play corner, made all pro as a corner, you know what I'm saying? He's up there and I ain't gonna be surprised if he not the next highest paid corner. They get his deal done because he's.

[Richard Sherman]

Next up, no question. I mean, it's a lot of young guys playing well. You got Christian Gonzalez out there in New England, you got Witherspoon out here in Seattle. You got. Yeah, I mean we, we sleeped on Jalen Johnson out out in Chicago, you know what I mean?

[Darius Slay]

Jalen Johnson was playing and, and jc, JC Horn, you know, JC Horn, he coming along too. So it was a bad wave. We had a bad batch of cool. At one point in time we had a bad bunch of them. You know, we had a couple that's, that's that sprinkle a little bit. But these last about three years, it been some real, real deal corners coming into this draft. And I'm talking about ones that's deserving as a first round draft picks or your early second round draft picks, they all panning out like crazy, you know, they. So I, I feel like the staff's doing a great job right now and, and finding these corners because them boys.

[Richard Sherman]

Coming out of him playing, I, I think so too. And they playing well early. They playing well early and they come.

[Darius Slay]

In and be today starters and be dominating.

[Richard Sherman]

And we, we, we didn't even mention your boy Quinton Mitchell out there in Philly, who, who was out there letting it hang super bowl for rookie year starting.

[Darius Slay]

Yeah, I'm talking about doing it and getting after it, you know, so he gonna Be up next too. And I told him, I've been telling him all the time, like, hey, boy, look, you came at a perfect time. You doing your thing, you start off hot. All you gotta do is, hey, climb every year, just climb every year. And he gonna do that, man, because you got to work for it. So he gonna be one of the best ones too. Coming up.

[Richard Sherman]

No question. No question about it.

[Darius Slay]

Hey, I, I know one thing about you because I've been watching you for the longest been. You know what I'm saying? You, you don't like these, you know, these coaches and all that because you prefer to be the players, to be the scouts. You prefer the players to be all this stuff that rank these guys because we go against them and all that. And they just put out the dog on top 10 quarterbacks. And of course they have Mahomes at one, Allen at two, Burrow at three, Lamar at four. No. Jaden Daniels at five, Stafford six, Herbert, Golf Hertz and Baker Mayfield. That's the top 10 right. Now, I know you don't like the executives because you, you, they be having stuff all wrong. You know, I ain't with a meeting. I don't like a meeting.

[Richard Sherman]

Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't dislike them. But like, obviously the, the top three, top four, top five probably are gonna be, you know, your preference. Like there's some people that's gonna put Lamar at one, some people gonna put Burrow at one. You know, Mahomes is deservedly so the MVP, Super Bowl MVPs. The winning, the just constant like inevitability you feel when, when you see him play teams, obviously, yo, Philadelphia Eagles took him behind the Woodshed in the Nash in the Super Bowl. Made him, made him look really bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so again, but. So some people gonna use that game to drop him a little bit. Yeah. And so I can, I can see why they put Jaden Daniels. They're taking his team to the NFC Championship in his rookie year. A team that wasn't expected to do a ton, wasn't expected to have more than single digit wins. The only person I have a problem really being on this list is the only person who hasn't, you know, outside of Baker, Baker Mayfield as well, hasn't been to a championship game. At least you look at this, you say Mahomes, multiple Super Bowls. Josh Allen's been to AFC championship games. Burrow's been to a Super Bowl. Lamar has been today, AFC championship game, Jaden Daniels, NFC championship game. Herbert's won one playoff game. Golf. Has been to a Super bowl with the Rams. You know, play played in big time games. Hurts just won a Super Bowl. Yeah. Been to, been to another. Mayfield hasn't. You know what I mean? I don't know if I would put Mayfield at that 10th spot. You know, again, I'm a Brock Purdy guy, so that's probably who I would have put in that 10th spot. But I could see why Mayfield got there with the season he had last year with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He was playing really high level football, really doing a great job with, with Mike Evans and Chris Godwin before he got injured and really, you know, elevating that offense to the point that, that he deserves recognition. But Herbert has all the tools. He got all the tools.

[Darius Slay]

He got them all. Now I ain't gonna lie down. He looked fantastic.

[Richard Sherman]

He looked 6, 4, 6, 5, 2, 30. Can run like a, like the wind. Beautiful arm. Accuracy is there, but the excuses keep stacking up for him. You know, every year it's like he doesn't have got enough help or this happened or, or somebody went here or the coach and it's this and it's that and it's like it's getting to the point you gotta. You got an established coach, they're getting you some weapons lab. McConkey had a pretty solid year of rookie, but he'll get better. They'll get you more weapons, but you gotta win playoff games. You gotta win in this league. And I know you're in a tough division with Mahomes in that division. You know, you got to deal with Mahomes. Denver's getting better and that defense, when Denver is, is always top five. But you got to win.

[Darius Slay]

Yeah.

[Richard Sherman]

And so people keep putting. I'm just thankful they're not putting Trevor Lawrence in there no more like because that, that's the kind of stuff that gets you get. Get me questioning y' all credentials like.

[Darius Slay]

That'S the one you be getting me with every time. That's what we make you the executives bad. Like hey bro, Trump Lawrence, come on. He, he, he, he ain't. Yeah, yeah, I know he.

[Richard Sherman]

You gotta put it on tape. Like nice. But he's like, he didn't got too many coaches fine.

[Darius Slay]

Yeah, he got too many five. Now he got some good ones for. He got, he got a world champion coach. Fire. So right. Come on. It ain't him.

[Richard Sherman]

It. It can't be. And, and you got the weapons. Brian Thomas is what looks like he's gonna be one of the best Receivers in the National Football League, if he gets consistent quarterback play. They just got you Travis Hunter, who who likely played both ways but make an impact on offense as well. And so at some point you got to start to look at him and say, hey, y' all paying this man over. What are you getting? 55. Y' all giving him top five quarterback money. But the top five quarterback play ain't matching it. But that's a story for a different day. I, I did. You know, everybody in Duvall get mad when I talk about him, but the tape say what it say and they say what I'm saying.

[Darius Slay]

Hey, hey, I'm with you. You're right. Now I'm with you when I'm right because I'm over here looking at this list too. I was like, all right, there's some, it's some people can be for sure move. I feel like Hertz can easily move to, to 5. Stafford, I think Stafford could be easily stuck at 6. If people. It's just whatever you feel like your preference, he's not.

[Richard Sherman]

Gonna go. Look, Stafford could play at as close to as top three as any of these dudes. And in that game against y', all, I. He gave you everything you can handle.

[Darius Slay]

Like, talk about, look, we were thinking like we already knew it. We like, hey, this the only team that's possibly can beat us. You know what I'm saying? That's the only team and nobody else we felt that's in the NFC can beat us. But dumb boys there because the staff what he's capable of doing. Like he's not a guy that gets shy of when turnovers happen to him. Oh, I threw a pick. I don't care. I'm gonna come back here like it again. Like the same throw. He'll throw it again. Like you've been on pick a pick an out route. But he'll throw an out Route 6 more times. You better pick it six times in a row then, you know what I'm saying? That's one thing about Stafford, man. He not, he's not gun shy. He's ready. He's competitive, tough, tough minded dude. And you know, he knows what it takes to win and definitely in the playoffs. He don't care about them stacks in the playoffs.

[Richard Sherman]

No, you don't. He don't. And if Jalen Carter, I talked to Saquon about that. If Jalen Carter don't make that play late in the game and from what I do it. He faked a stunt and got himself free and did some, some real like just individual talented. Hey, hats off to Jaylen. Carter made a play. If he don't make that play. It looked like they had something developed that, that could have made that a lot more interesting of a finish.

[Darius Slay]

I'll just say that, I'm telling you right now, that play is crazy because that play was so JC That's Jaylen. JC had came in there and was like. He faked. He did the first stunt and got the sack off of it. And he faked it and got that one off of it. I said both sacks off of this stunt, but one of them, he did it for his whole way. Next one, he faked it because they've been, they did it like three times and got, and Nolan got a sack off of it. He got a sack off of it. And then they finna do it again. Faked it. I said, oh, thank goodness. Cause I saw it, I saw it in action. Like, I'm like, oh, he looked like he finna throw it to this little option route.

[Richard Sherman]

And he was, it was coming back to the middle of the field. Yeah.

[Darius Slay]

Oh boy, it would have been ugly, Dan. Then it would be like, oh, slave fault. Because the fact that I got us all the way down there with the out one up. Oh yeah. Everything would have been on me for a second. But then I made up the last of the last play of the game. And no question, I think hurts for show though. Should be moved like maybe five, you know, because the fact that four years full super bowl appearance, I mean false playoffs appearances, two super bowl appearances, one. One super bowl mvp. You know, you gotta just, you gotta just involve him winning, you know, so I can see what, how people feel about the talent aspect of just how his statue look at. He ain't six' three like all these guys that's coming in here or he ain't a magician as in Mahomes, as everybody say is. But from winning standpoint, you gotta have him top five.

[Richard Sherman]

Yeah, I, I think so too. I, I, I, I think you could easily make an argument for Burrow being one. Yeah. You know, and I think, I think if you, if, if you went back and asked these executives and they took their bias decide and you said, hey, I don't care if you the Baltimore Ravens, I don't care if you the Buffalo Bills. I don't care if you outside the Kansas City Chiefs. I think the Kansas City Chiefs picking my homes over everybody every single time and they not even having a question or conversation about it. I think that's true. But I think from Buffalo Y' all love Josh Allen, but if somebody said Burrow and Lamar, it'd be a conversation. And you can't just sit there and be like, hey, no, there's no question. There's no way we would ever take anybody else over him. Like, that's just biased because it. It's not. It's not anybody head and shoulders above anybody. Like, Lamar Jackson is one of them ones, and Joe Burrow is one of them ones. Every time, they just can't stop a nosebleed on defense. Like, they refuse to pay anybody. They so bad on defense, they drafted a dude in the first round. He said, I don't want to come to play. He said, I'll go back to college before I play for y'. All.

[Darius Slay]

That's. That's. What's the crazy part, man. They got to get Joe, man, some defensive help, man, because, boy, look here.

[Richard Sherman]

They tried.

[Darius Slay]

They. They. Look, they don't want it, and they won't know why. They want to pay that young man, man. Pay that man his money, man. Pay the man and his money. But Joe, man, he easy would have been MVP if he had at least made it to the playoffs. But the fact that he ain't make it to the playoff, and, I mean.

[Richard Sherman]

We saw him live a couple times, and him and Jamar Chase and. And T. Higgins and everybody else, boy, they. Hey, he. He. It's. It's art. It's Art. What that man does. He's out there dissecting defenses. And these are, you know, I. I. At that point, Baltimore had started to play better. They. They. They were struggling early on, but that was the point where they switched things around and. And Humphreys and Marlon was playing really good football. And still Joe said, hey, ripping y' all to shreds. And he. Look, I want to say, I gotta look at the score. Scoreboard. But they. 45, 46, something like that.

[Darius Slay]

Yeah, look, them boys put up points. I'm telling you, they was averaging. We went there, we was like, all right, man, we gotta stop the offense. And they was averaging about 26, 27 points. And Joe was slanging it like he. He was already down there 2,000 yards, you know what I'm saying? Way above everybody. We like, bro, look here. But we just knew our office go put points up on their defense. So we was like, hey, bro, we gotta stop the boy about five times. Four, Three. Four.

[Richard Sherman]

Five times. We good. You're good to go.

[Darius Slay]

And look how it turned out, because we control the clock, making big plays and kept that boy off that Field because he. No question, he's out there, he's making plays.

[Richard Sherman]

And it's so silly. And we talked about this before, but this whole MVP conversation just frustrated me last year because I thought Josh Allen had a better shot at it the year before. And then people call me a Lamar Jackson hater because I said, hey, he got 24 total touchdowns. I don't know if this is the year he get it. I mean, he won it with like 44, 43 touchdowns, the MVP year that he wanted. I don't think they're gonna give it to him with 24. And lo and behold, they gave it to him. Slay. Yeah, I think Josh Allen had 30, 38, 40 touchdowns. He was going crazy, but he had like 17 interceptions and turnovers or something. So somehow they punished him for that. And I said, okay, that's a little weird, but whatever. This year, Lamar has a crazier year than he had on his first MVP season. 41 touchdowns, only four interceptions on the entire season. One of the most efficient seasons for a quarterback in NFL history. I'm talking about one of them. Aaron Rodgers season. Aaron Rodgers got four MVPs. And they look similar to that. 37 and three. 30, 30, 33 and four. You know, stuff like that gets you the MVP. And not that Josh Allen had a bad season, but Lamar's numbers were better, in my personal opinion, and objectively, they were better. And they gave it to Josh Allen. And then you hear MVP voters talking about, oh, well, it was because, you know Lamar, he's more valuable to his team than Lamar. What the heck are y' all talking? Every quarterback that's starting in the National Football League, that's why they paying them 50, 60 million, because they're the most valuable. They're. They're the highest paid because they're the most important. If you take them off those teams, those teams are going to be substantially worse. Maybe one or two of them still make the playoffs, sure. But they're going to be worse. So that argument is null and void. That's a nonsense argument. Every quarterback is the most valuable player, and if you took them off that team, their team is a lot worse off. So that's not an argument. Is he having the best seats? And, like, he wasn't arguably the best quarterback. So when you talk about giving mvp, that's like giving defensive player of the year to a player. And you, like, he might be the second best at his position, but he's the defensive player of the year. And I think that that can't be High work.

[Darius Slay]

It's crazy because the fact that everybody was complaining about Lamar be able not to pass and do this and do that, now he have his best passing statistics and now he's like, oh, dang. I answered what y' all didn't like. I still ain't winning the mvp. That's, that's why I was mind blown because y' all was complaining about him not being able to throw the ball. Now it's like Lamar is just this amazing that throwing the ball now, like, now like it was wild to me. I thought was, I thought, I thought he went by a mile.

[Richard Sherman]

And he ain't got no all pro receivers out there.

[Darius Slay]

He had a Pro bowl receiver and his pro bowl receiver probably had what, 1100 yards, I think. And now, you know what I'm saying?

[Richard Sherman]

And, and that's what they were arguing for. Josh Allen, they're like, he, he got these young receivers and he did, he had young receivers and it's a young team, but they were well coached, they played well on defense.

[Darius Slay]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lamar should have been three peak easily.

[Richard Sherman]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Darius Slay]

I know. It got me too bad. It get me too. Every time, man. It get me too, I swear to God.

[Richard Sherman]

Look, and we're gonna, we're gonna speak because a lot of stuff is changing with the NFL and this draft situation and, and something's changing. For the first time in NFL history, the Houston Texans signed Jaden Higgins to a fully guaranteed deal slay not just first rounders, a second rounder. So everybody else said, hey, I ain't showing up until I get mine guaranteed too. And now you see in deals or guys, Nick Emmwori with the Seattle Seahawks gets a four year, I mean, $11.6 million fully guaranteed deal. The number 35 pick got a fully guaranteed deal. And then the tight end, Elijah Arroyo from the University of Miami gets a four year, $8.813 million deal with 6.8 guaranteed. I love it for these young men. They're getting more guaranteed, more security for their families, for their future, and they get to play the game they love. I'm never upset with that.

[Darius Slay]

Yeah, you can't be. You know what I'm saying? You can't be. I can't what? Second round is getting a fully guaranteed money as a second rounder. You know, I was just looking at this dude did 4 for 11 million. I was a 36 pick. I was one pick above him and I mean behind him. And my contract was a four year, like five mil. He get 411 God, I'm just looking at it, you know what I'm saying? But I'm happy that they're doing it, man. I. I see it's a good thing for the kids, man, because the fact that they coming in and getting, like they said, it's setting your family straight. And that's what. That's what a lot of guys play this game for. You know, some people play the game because they love it and, you know, but a lot of guys in this game play this game because they want to provide it for their family, man, get their kids a better future and all that. So it's good that they get their money guaranteed, because it's been a lot of people in this. In this league that comes in the league and see two or three years, you know, that's the average. You know, at least now they get full guarantee if these guys don't pan out, hoping for all of them to pan out, that, hey, you know, made $11 million in four years.

[Richard Sherman]

Yeah. And you can't be mad at that. I mean, look, I remember some of these SEC guys coming in saying they taking a pay cut, coming to the league, but that's. That's actually true now. That's actually starting to happen. That dude's coming into the league, getting picked in the fourth round, and they were coming off a multi million dollar nil deal. I said, this is just a different time. We gonna get to the time. Well, we seem like we might be already here with Shamar Stewart holding out, not even coming to the Bengals training camp, not coming to mini camp, not coming to anything. They're saying if he holds out to.

[Darius Slay]

A certain point, he gotta go back.

[Richard Sherman]

He got to go back into the draft.

[Darius Slay]

That's what I'm saying. And. And it's crazy, you know what I'm saying? That's why I'm like, I don't know why they won't get the job done, but it must be something about something going on that we don't know. But that ain't my problem. But, hey, hopefully the kid get his money because he got. He got. Y' all drafted him. Y' all thought he was worth it, so y' all should get it. So. But to go back to college, he probably gonna get probably more money at college anyway.

[Richard Sherman]

No question. No question.

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[Richard Sherman]

Now we get. We can talk about these NFL wide receivers. You know, I do got an opinion about that and how they rank because these executives and coaches and scouts ranked the wide receivers, and it looks like for the most part, they got it right. But the first one, obviously, Jamar Chase. Justin Jefferson is 2. Those can be interchanged. Tyreek Hill was 3. CeeDee Lamb was 4. A.J. brown all day, always open. A.J. brown was 5. Aman Ross, St. Brown, 6. Malik Neighbors, young guy, 7. Ooh. Seem a little early. Nico Collins, 8. Mike Evans, 9. Garrett Wilson, 10. Reaction.

[Darius Slay]

I like Nico for sure.

[Richard Sherman]

I thought Nico was on his way to earlier before he got hurt.

[Darius Slay]

What's crazy, he ran past a dude tearing a hamstring right and scored.

[Richard Sherman]

He was. He was. He was looking. Julio is to me.

[Darius Slay]

I'm telling he. He remind you of that body frame, but he gave me more of a primed Josh Gordon. That's what he gave me, that feeling. The swole Josh Gordon. I'm telling y', all, like, oh, he was my sleeper for a long time because I was watching this film. Like, bro, this boy here's nice. But then he right when I say he's a sleeper, everybody just jumped on the bandwagon. Was like, oh, this kid here. I'm like, damn, I can't use him as my sleeper no more. When I People like Boost him up. Because now everybody wishing Nico likes that. But yeah, that list is. I don't know. I don't know. Like it's for sure. You know, I'm for sure I'm green with that AJ situation. AJ at five is. Is look like. Look AJ out of eight, everybody in that first five. I feel as in it's besides Tyreek because he unified with fast and everything. He fastened everybody. So. But everybody on that list is from top four is mostly schemed open for me as a. This is a db. I don't see Chase line up in the backfield. I see Justin line up in the backfield. I've seen Tyreek be getting the three point sands by the damn tackle guard and be motioned across there. All I see is AJ doing is line up at X, come see about me. And still we all pros like that.

[Richard Sherman]

See, that's what I don't like when people would talk about like schemes and they like, like. Because that was the argument they used to make with me. Like, oh, man, it's the scheme that got you open. I said, you know how many. You know, everybody run cover three.

[Darius Slay]

Yes.

[Richard Sherman]

And you know how for some reason I'm the. I make it look like it's something else. I make it look like it's some kind of special new coverage. New like with these guys I play with. And then it was like, but if you really like that, I don't gotta move. I don't gotta do nothing special. You gotta come over here. I don't gotta chase you down. I don't gotta. We don't gotta move our scheme. Look, if you go over there, you running from me. The scheme working. We know where you at.

[Darius Slay]

Yep. Because you know here you'll get solo action.

[Richard Sherman]

You getting solo. We'll lean the safety to you if you go over there. But if you come over here, we can dance.

[Darius Slay]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's why I'll be trying to tell folks when I'll just say with aj, like he's sitting over here, like, if you want to see by me, I'm over here. You know where I'm at. I'm not gonna go in this backfield. I'm not motion out of there and getting in get isolated on linebacker. None of that. I'm coming to see your best dude. To make your best dude look like that's your worst dude.

[Richard Sherman]

Right? And I'm on the line and I'm on it.

[Darius Slay]

And I ain't man, look, I don't seen it like, he don't run from no smoke. So him at people having him at five. And then with it being said, besides, a lot of guys, like, people want to talk about the quarterback play. All these guys got, like, real deal, like, professional, like, pro pro type of quarterbacks. They always say hurts this and hurts that. Out of all them when it comes down to his passing. But like I say, hurts throw the best deep ball. And guess what? AJ Brown most likely the best at catching that deep ball. So. So for people talking like that to have him at 5 and folks that be complaining about how hurts is as a quarterback, as in passing, it's just crazy because AJ still being first team all pro three years in a row.

[Richard Sherman]

I felt that that ball he threw, it was a nine ball. In the playoffs, it was like, third down for the game. Maybe against the Rams. Was it the Rams or was it. No, it was third.

[Darius Slay]

It was. Dang. Who that was. I know you're talking about, though.

[Richard Sherman]

It was like, third and long.

[Darius Slay]

Yes. And threw a crazy.

[Richard Sherman]

And just. And threw a dime. I said, y' all just lined up and said, go ball on third and nine.

[Darius Slay]

AJ AJ Brown. That's the. That's. That's what separates AJ From a lot of guys. I feel that's him, too, for show. Jamar Chase can do that, but they do put Jamar back duck. I feel like Jamar Chase can be. All of them can do it.

[Richard Sherman]

I don't know. I didn't see Jamar Chase just catch a hitch and. And take it and take a yard.

[Darius Slay]

Yeah. Not arguing that Jamar Chase came double. I said Jamar Chase could do it. I done seen them. Like, I went against him. And when I tell you, like, he's just as hard to tackle as it is with A.J.

[Richard Sherman]

Brown.

[Darius Slay]

Like A.J.

[Richard Sherman]

Right.

[Darius Slay]

But Jamar, like, I. He probably one of the best dudes I've seen besides Tyreek, because he's just unified. But to stick that foot in the ground and get vertical like, he not scared of you hitting him. Like, he ain't trying to avoid none of that. Like watching the family playing them boys and that man, Jamar Chase caught that screen on Baltimore and took that mug 80 like, got. I said, look here. But look, we gotta tackle this boy. If we don't tackle this boy, he going for 200.

[Richard Sherman]

200.

[Darius Slay]

So. And. And Justin, too. He a tough dude. Like, everybody thinks Justin's still skinny and stuff.

[Richard Sherman]

He got that. He got that freak wiggle that. That you got. Yeah.

[Darius Slay]

Justin get active, man. The only thing I don't I sleep on too, man. That I don't really kind of like, like the list too much because. Not saying I'm biased, because I'm saying this is my dog. But I know I ain't biased. But people really, really might be a little biased. People be sleeping on Smitty, right? I'm telling like, Gary Wilson is a dog. But, like, if Garrett, like, he. He's getting the targets he deserved to get. Like, he getting them. We gotta feed Saquon. You gotta feel AJ Then I feed Dallas. Dallas at the tight end position. Then, you know, then hurts. You know, I ain't saying the same, but, you know, if it's 30 passes hurts, dropped back, it gonna be at least five of them will be runs.

[Richard Sherman]

But he go and don't sleep on Puka Naku. I know you've heard that.

[Darius Slay]

I was gonna say him. That's what I'm gonna say to him too. Like that. Like, I feel like for sure Nico Collins should be at. I ain't gonna lie. He might be for me, honestly, he might be at 6.

[Richard Sherman]

Yeah, it be. Before he got hurt earlier in this, he was at three, four.

[Darius Slay]

Yeah, probably got hurt easy three or four. But right now I say six because I'm not Amanse Brown. He's a dog. He does it all. He gets down. But for sure, Malik, I feel like. I feel like Puka is.

[Richard Sherman]

Yeah, I feel like you got. It's hard because he. He did break those records and he got all them targets. He got on the catch and he's an issue to deal with. I just feel like it's really good. It's one of those teams that is just, you know, we. We. I want to see him with a better quarterback. Hopefully, you know, either Russell Wilson or Jameis or. Or Jackson Dart, whoever gets to start and plays and plays better than what. What he was dealing with before. But what about Tyreek running 10, 10 one in a hunted at 30 plus. Like, people. People ain't really talking about that.

[Darius Slay]

Like, when I seen them do it, I'm like, hey, boy, look, because we went to high school around the same area, I said that. That. That still fast as well. And he just go out and just do it willingly. Not like. Like he ain't training. People think he really training for it. Like he really just training to get in shape. Like he's training it. Like he really take his time. I say if he sat down and not took a beating on his body in football for a whole year and run, man, he will easily. I ain't gonna Say he'll beat people like the Olympic runners, but he'll run. He'll run in the nines.

[Richard Sherman]

I don't think people really understand what 101 is like, what 101 is like.

[Darius Slay]

It, it.

[Richard Sherman]

You could talk about 40s and 42 and 43 and all that, but 101, look at 30. What is he, 32?

[Darius Slay]

31 by 31.

[Richard Sherman]

Like. And he's still running it. Like, I just ran it the other day. I don't train for this. I don't do. I woke up one day, put on some stuff. I might have done some sprints the week before, and then I ran 101 and, and I play in the National Football League. Like, that's a stupid fast.

[Darius Slay]

That's what I'm saying. And I don't like to go against people. That's. That take that sports as a, as they likelihood, like, you know, that's that what pays their bill. But folks don't understand the fact that people like, oh, he got football speed. Like, he can't bring that up. I'm trying to tell you, like this kid, Tyreek, man, he the kid. But it's like this dude here, literally, he took a whole year off and like let his body like heal from getting hit for 20 some weeks in football and just like trained and got in that type of work. Like, not saying he'd be the fastest man in the world, but he will be out here competing like DK did it. DK came out of nowhere and just bust out and ran a 10. 3. Just waking up. Like I'm gonna take about, about five weeks and just try to try any two 30s. No, I'm saying that's the only thing that kind of like be getting me when I be hearing these, because I've been seeing these little stuff that be on all on the Internet and see me track people. Like, see, you know what I'm saying? See what I'm saying?

[Richard Sherman]

Look, look, look, look. Let's, let's, let's, let's do this. We probably gonna get in trouble for this. I don't know. But the track people like no allows and all those guys are very special individuals. They do a great job. Like, he's really fast. He got an Olympic gold medal. I, I dreamed to play in the Olympics. I wish they had football. We, I would have got a chance to play in Olympics. I thought our sport could do that. But he is closer to you in your sport than you will ever be to him in his sport. Like, he, the fact he could probably break 10. And if he breaks 10, it's not like y' all live in Usain boat ran 9 5, but Tyson Gay ran 9 6.

[Darius Slay]

Yeah.

[Richard Sherman]

Nobody else has run under 9 7. So if you said Tyreek Hill ran 9 9, which I'm sure he could do at 30 something years old, but then it's still an all pro football player. Like, not just a football player. Not just. I play football in the National Football League. Professional. I've been a top at the top of the top. I've been the best. I've won the super bowl like you. For him to go into your sport and run even remotely in the same stratosphere, that's world class speed that he show you. I don't know if anybody could come to football if they could say, hey, I'm gonna put on a football jersey and be almost as good as Tyreek Hill. No, you're not.

[Darius Slay]

Oh, yeah. Not close.

[Richard Sherman]

You're not even gonna. You're not even gonna register.

[Darius Slay]

You're not gonna make the P squad. Come on, man.

[Richard Sherman]

I don't know.

[Darius Slay]

I'll be saying the same thing because I have some guys that'd be at my facility, you know, that be. That's track. Track fanatics. And they all up in here in Houston, you know, they'd be like, you know, that's all it is in Texas. That's all they do is run, run, run, run, run, run. Everybody didn't like. But I'm trying to tell folks like, y' all don't understand, like, what we trying to come from when we be saying, like it's only we saying it because the fact that we are way closer than y' all are to y' all sport than y' all are the Owls, like, right. Y' all would not be competitive. You come over here, you'll be who. But we go over there. Like, we could be a little. We might can be talked about. Like, I could be on the 4x1 team and be. And make us win a world. He could be on the 4x1 team right now and they can win and.

[Richard Sherman]

Win a gold, man. And be competitive. He will just look out of place. Yes. And so that's where. Where it's tough when you talk crazy to him, you know, I mean, like, don't talk to him like that. Don't talk about him like that. Like you talking about, like, you wouldn't even be close. Like, it won't even be like you not running 97 every time you run 10 flat. Sometimes you run 10. Oh, you run 10 O. 6 10. And he ran 10 1. So if you have one of those 100 races and he has a 9 race and he runs a little better, then guess what? That day, he gets you. And if he ever did that, that's why Noah Lyles didn't want to race him. Because if he ever walked in and beat you at your sport, you would never be able to walk out and say another word. You can't talk about nothing. This is a guy who. Who just came. He ain't doing this for fun. And walk through and beat you in your own sport. And you could never go to his sport and do that.

[Darius Slay]

Yeah, he can't. And. And that's why we arguing for. I'm with you, boy. I'm telling you, boy, I used to have an argument with these dudes. In the long run, I swear, because, you know, I'm a chill. Yeah, let him have it.

[Richard Sherman]

Yeah, yeah. You know. You know, I gotta. I know you again.

[Darius Slay]

I'll be like, you know, I'm more like, all right, y'. All. Y' all think it's slick, but.

[Richard Sherman]

All right, well, we're gonna.

[Darius Slay]

We're gonna move.

[Richard Sherman]

We're gonna. We're gonna move on. We're gonna move on. We're gonna make it quick because we gotta. We gotta close up here eventually, you know, But Teddy Bridgewater, I know you've seen what they. They suspended him for. For giving impermissible benefits. And they talk to a. About him like he was paying the kids or something when it was him giving them Ubers to practice, making sure they got treatment, making sure they had team meals and making sure the.

[Darius Slay]

The.

[Richard Sherman]

The field got painted. Lo and behold, Teddy Bridgewater wasn't an actual employee of the school. He was a volunteer. So you cannot suspend a volunteer. He was there volitionally, so you cannot suspend him. You cannot sanction him. You cannot do anything. You can go coach somewhere else if he felt like it, but what do you feel about that?

[Darius Slay]

I mean, I was. I was hurt by it because the fact that I know Teddy, you know, I've been. I'll be in Miami a lot because my son, Moms, he's from Miami, so we used to go down there a lot. I don't know Teddy for a long time. And he only mean nothing but good to the community. When I say him and Lamar Jackson, man, they. They guys that really goes down into the community. Hands on, no security, no nothing. Showing nothing but love to everyone. That's why you see them guys stay down there. That's why don't leave? Because they show so much gratitude for them to do that to. Guy that took his time out, brought the program back. Everybody know about Northwestern, where I'm from, down south, I'm from down that way. I'm right there in Duvall, around that way, Bronzer Georgia though. But it's like all that right there. So. But they're bringing back Northwestern to what it was to like a championship team. Because a lot of guys came out of there, like a lot of great ones. Xavier Rose, everybody. And for him to do that and bring them back and he doing it in the right way because what he didn't have in high school, they probably wouldn't do it not that way in high school. Taking care of his body, showing him how to be a professional at a young age, that's all what it is. It's just like he just teaching them how to be a pro early. And you. And you see what that had to do. They won a championship in one year. Like I don't know what they mad.

[Richard Sherman]

About with that, but is they mad because he's doing it? You know, these private schools have been doing it for years. You're not, you're not mad at IMG doing it. You're not mad at all these private schools paying for these kids to come here, paying them thousands of dollars. Professional trainers, training rooms, like weight rooms, like, oh, spending all this money. This dude is 200000 out of his pocket. Not putting it in kids pockets to say, hey, come to my school, but putting it into them, investing into those kids to make sure they're taken care of so they can do things the right way. Man, get out of here.

[Darius Slay]

Hey, look man. And you know you don't want to say it, but it'd be it. It'd be them people, man. I don't know.

[Richard Sherman]

People.

[Darius Slay]

It'd be them people, bro.

[Richard Sherman]

They don't want, they don't want to see them win.

[Darius Slay]

They don't want to see him win, man. And they don't want to see, they don't want to see that man build that community up. Because that community is not, you know what I'm saying? It's not the best shape.

[Richard Sherman]

Right.

[Darius Slay]

And what brings the best stuff to the, to that type of community? Sports? Football.

[Richard Sherman]

Right, Right.

[Darius Slay]

Once the team in the city start winning, the city come together, city start putting stuff together for the kids. Next thing you know, start having vent for the kids. And probably a lot of people don't want to see that. That's why, I mean, and I know how I go down down there, because I had it.

[Richard Sherman]

They mad that he won. They mad that they won a championship. So I'm sure the team he beat or a team he beat along the way is the ones that reported and hated. Sad, but that's how it goes. Your boy, your old teammate in the Dominican sue retires. I want to give you a chance to. To give him his flowers.

[Darius Slay]

Hey, man, shout out to my boy sue, man. The Dominican, man, he's probably one of the best OGs I had outside of the DB room. I played with him from in Detroit. When I tell you this dude here set the standard of what a professional need to look like. He set the standard for us at definitely Detroit. And, man, playing alongside him, man, he been one of the best ones, but it's one of the best detectives I would play with. I got. I played. I got a chance to play with him and Fletcher, even though me and Fletch played together in college. But them two guys there, man.

[Richard Sherman]

Shout.

[Darius Slay]

Out to my boy, man, sue, man, he wanted the best to ever do it, man. I. I don't know how they'll do them, but I for sure put him on my first ballot, you know what I'm saying? Because he did was a gang wrecker. I watched five people try to block him, 1, 4, and it's not successful, and you know what I'm saying? So shout out to my dude, man. Much love to you, man. You know, we still connect. He in Houston as we speak, probably right now. And I'm telling him right now, I'm pulling up to your crib, and your crib is my crib, so you gotta check in with me.

[Richard Sherman]

Well, I appreciate your big play. Well, like I said, everybody, Big Play will be joining us every week during the season. Maybe once or twice during training camp if you're not too busy, but I can't promise you that. I appreciate you guys all joining us. You could be anywhere in the world, but you're here with us, and we sure do appreciate it.

[Darius Slay]

Yes, sir. I appreciate you, man.

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