Richard Sherman Podcast - Week 14 REACTION: Seahawks-Falcons, Bengals-Bills, Bears-Packers, Lions-Cowboys | Richard Sherman NFL

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Episode: Week 14 REACTION: Seahawks-Falcons, Bengals-Bills, Bears-Packers, Lions-Cowboys | Richard Sherman NFL
Date: December 8, 2025

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Overview

This episode of the Richard Sherman Podcast, part of The Herd, dives deep into the week 14 NFL action, focusing on pivotal games with playoff implications and standout performances. Richard Sherman and co-host Mitchell deliver detailed analysis, passionate opinions, and locker room insight on epic comebacks, coaching controversies, offensive explosions, and defensive lockdowns—sprinkled with memorable banter and honest criticisms.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Seahawks Dominate Second Half in Atlanta

[03:15–11:25]

• Sherman and Mitchell analyze the Seahawks' 27-13 win over Atlanta.
  • First Half: Offense sluggish (6-6 at half), defense kept them in the game.
  • Key Second Half Turning Point: Rasheed Shahid’s 100-yard kickoff return sparks momentum.
  • Defense records timely turnovers, highlighted by Nick Emmon-Worry (INT, sack, blocked FG):

    “He was everywhere. He was milking the cow, Mitchell, mowing the lawn, fixing the roof... fixing the plumbing. He was everywhere you needed to be.” — Richard Sherman [06:28]

  • Sam Darnold bounces back for 249 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT.
• Concerns with the running game continue:

  “Every play it’s one guy… Every single week there’s one guy that gets beat… Not every play is designed for [Kenneth Walker] to bounce it to the edge. This is the National Football League. There are fast guys out there.” — Richard Sherman [08:50-09:29]

• Seahawks praised for road-warrior mentality and defensive depth.
• Mitchell: “They look the part today… They got their eyes on the number one seed in the NFC. I think it’s within reach, a hundred percent.” [10:52]

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AFC Firefight: Bills’ Comeback vs. Bengals

[20:37–24:22]

• Buffalo rallies from two scores down in snowy conditions to beat Cincinnati.
  • Josh Allen “turns it on”—44-yard rushing TD (longest of career), clutch red zone passing.
  • Bengals’ Joe Burrow impressive for three quarters (4 TDs), but back-to-back turnovers (pick-six, tipped INT) in the 4th quarter seal their fate.

  “It looked like luck, Mitchell, but you can’t call it luck when guys like that continue to play this way in critical games.” — Richard Sherman [21:30]

  • Bills now positioned for AFC East run despite earlier struggles.
• Mitchell skeptical of Bills’ WR group:

  “That’s going to be the Achilles heel in my opinion with this Buffalo Bills team. Can these wide receivers rise up…?” [24:22]

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Shador Sanders Shines, Browns Lose Heartbreaker

[25:46–34:54]

• Rookie QB Shador Sanders nearly leads Cleveland back from double-digit deficit vs. Titans; 364 yds, 3 passing TDs, 1 rushing TD.
• Controversy over Browns’ play-calling: Sanders was pulled for a Wildcat 2-point play with rookie RB Judkins, which failed spectacularly.

  “You take him out the game on the most critical play… What was that, Kevin Stefanski?... It was awful.” — Richard Sherman [30:56–31:46]

• Mitchell speculates the Browns may be “big-braining” for draft position, but Sherman isn’t buying it.
• Discussion of Browns’ QB future—how will Sanders and Deshaun Watson co-exist? Lack of confidence from Stefanski in Sanders raised as a concern.

  “He speaks highly of his teammates. He doesn’t throw his coach under the bus... But it’s frustrating when guys treat young quarterbacks a certain way that believe in themselves.” — Richard Sherman [36:09]

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Steelers Snap Ravens; Packers Survive Bears

[43:13–53:11]

• Steelers beat Ravens 27–20:
  • Aaron Rodgers and DK Metcalf connect (7 rec, 148 yds); Baltimore offense listless, Lamar looks off.

  "Lamar Jackson... just doesn’t look like the guy, the perennial MVP candidate that he’s been. Doesn’t look as dynamic…” — Richard Sherman [44:20]

  • Both teams inconsistent; whispers about Tomlin’s and Harbaugh’s futures.
  • Steelers’ red-zone back Kenneth Gainwell highlighted as key addition.
• Jaguars top Colts; Daniel Jones' injury ends Indy’s fairy tale run:
  • Discussion of QB injuries and their impact on careers/franchises.
  • Jags’ Trevor Lawrence praised for maturing as a runner; GM James Gladstone credited for aggressive moves.

  “You could find yourself out of the playoffs with a few losses… Cinderella losing the glass slipper off her foot.” — Richard Sherman [52:33]

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Lions Blow Out Cowboys, Gibbs Makes History

[66:12–72:04]

• Lions throttle Cowboys 44–20 in Detroit:
  • Jameer Gibbs scores 3 TDs, ties Barry Sanders’ record for TDs before age 24 (47 career).

  “One of the best players in the National Football League, regardless of position, continues to make huge impact, breaking record after record.” — Richard Sherman [68:17]

  • Defense comes alive, gets more sacks than last four games combined.
  • Amon-Ra St. Brown plays hurt (6 rec, 92 yds):

    “It’s inspiring. When your best players sacrifice and put their bodies on the line… then other guys know that’s the standard.” — Richard Sherman [71:03]

  • Mitchell lauds St. Brown’s toughness and “Legion of Boom”-like leadership.
• Sherman responds to George Pickens’ postgame criticism:

  “If you think [Pickens] can be the best receiver…and that’s the expectation…when you see a performance like that, you’re disappointed. That’s where I was speaking from.” [72:29-74:37]

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Packers Top Bears in NFC North Chess Match

[77:42–82:02]

• Packers win a frigid, close battle vs. Chicago sealed by a Keyshawn Nixon INT.
  • Jordan Love sharp: 17/25, 343 yds, 3 TDs, 1 INT.
  • Bears competitive behind rookie Caleb Williams, but clock mismanagement late.
  • Mitchell sees “a lot of promise” in Ben Johnson’s Bears despite the loss.

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Around the League:

Rams Crank Up Offense vs. Cardinals

[88:07–92:23]

• Rams romp, 45-17, as Matt Stafford continues MVP pace; Blake Corum and Kyren Williams dominate the ground.
• Puka Nacua shines (7 rec, 167 yds), Michael Wilson (Cards) sets up as a future star WR.

Broncos, Patriots, and the Crowded AFC

[92:23–95:50]

• Broncos grind out a road win over the Raiders, remain top AFC contenders without being dominant.
• Sherman: “The AFC is wide open… anybody who says anything else is fooling themselves.” [93:19]

NFC West: Can 49ers Complete a Cinderella Run?

[95:50–98:32]

• 49ers sit at 6th seed, but have a soft closing schedule and a division showdown with Seattle looming.

  “If [the 49ers]…are one of the top three seeds in the NFC, you gotta be looking at Kyle Shanahan for coach of the year… the circumstances are so unique this season.” — Richard Sherman [97:29]

Buccaneers Flounder, Panthers Rising

[60:28–64:42]

• Tampa looks lifeless in loss to Saints; Baker Mayfield struggles, rookie Ameka Egbuka with costly drop.
  • Mike Evans’ absence feels massive.
  • Division still up for grabs; Panthers suddenly in the driver’s seat.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Nick Emmon-Worry’s all-around game:

  "He was everywhere. He was milking the cow, Mitchell, mowing the lawn, fixing the roof... fixing the plumbing. He was everywhere you needed to be.” — Richard Sherman [06:28]

• On Josh Allen's penchant for heroics:

  “You can't call it luck when guys like that continue to play this way in critical games in very tough circumstances.” — Richard Sherman [21:30]

• On Browns’ 2-point call:

  “What was that, Kevin Stefanski? I can't. I'm sure somebody can explain that play… My goodness, was that awful.” — Richard Sherman [31:01]

• On Ravens’ collapse:

  “Lamar Jackson… does just look out of sorts right now for some reason. This was his first touchdown in, I think, four weeks... It's unheard of.” — Richard Sherman [46:28]

• On Bears/Packers divisional battle:

  “This was a cool game. I can't wait to hear Lafleur’s comments... to the winner goes the spoils, as we always say.” — Richard Sherman [82:02]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment/Topic | Timestamp | |---------------------------------------------|-------------| | Seahawks-Falcons detailed breakdown | 03:15–11:25 | | Bills-Bengals comeback analysis | 20:37–24:22 | | Browns-Titans, Shador Sanders’ performance | 25:46–36:09 | | Steelers-Ravens, AFC North outlook | 43:13–53:11 | | Jaguars-Colts, AFC South shifting | 49:35–56:10 | | Lions-Cowboys, Jameer Gibbs & St. Brown | 66:12–72:04 | | Packers-Bears, NFC North chess match | 77:42–82:02 | | Rams-Cardinals, playoff implications | 88:07–92:23 | | Broncos-Raiders, AFC parity discussion | 92:23–95:50 | | 49ers closing schedule, division race | 95:50–98:32 | | Buccaneers fall, Panthers rise NFC South | 60:28–64:42 |

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Final Thoughts

Richard Sherman and Mitchell bring real locker-room candor to NFL analysis—bouncing from sharp critiques of coaching decisions to veteran wisdom about player mentality, health, and locker room culture. From the relentless Seahawks to the resurgent Browns’ rookie QB, the episode celebrates great performances while shining a light on cracks in even the best teams. Listeners come away with a nuanced, unfiltered view of the week's happenings, told with the passion and insight only former players can bring.

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[Richard Sherman]

Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast. And what a game for the Seattle Seahawks in Atlanta. It started off a bit slow. It was tied six to six at the half, just a little bit sluggish. Offensively, the defense looked fine. They looked great. Nick Emin worry swarming all over the place. Devin Witherspoon playing a great game. Leonard Williams and DeMarcus Lawrence, all the culprits playing well for that defense. But offensively, just a little bit of a struggle. Atlanta has done well against the pass, but this season, despite their record and, and they did a good job against Seattle Seahawks against Jackson, Smith and Jigba, against Sam Darnold. They brought pressure on Sam Darnold. He struggled a little bit with his accuracy in the first half, but the start of the second half, and overall the second half was an entirely different story. Mitchell it started with Rasheed Shahid making his biggest play as a Seattle Seahawk. A hundred, the first 100 yard play of the season, 100 yard return, kickoff return. Coming into the game, the Atlanta Falcons were the worst kickoff return and kickoff unit and kickoff coverage unit in the National Football League. And the Seahawks exploited that. That, that's just something that another component of what makes this Seattle, Seattle Seahawks team so complete is, is that every phase is a strength. Every phase. And I know we can, we can talk about how the offense has struggled the last few weeks and Sam has struggled, no question about it. But for a team to go on the road and continue to play like the Seattle Seahawks have, and I mean they're road warriors. I think they've only lost one road game this season. And I mean it's, it's something insane like 15 or 16 and one over their last 17 games. They just have a way of going on the road, walking in your trap and taking over your trap. Mitchell, you hear it every time in the locker room when they, when they play the song. They walk in your trap and take over your trap. And that's what they did in Atlanta. They walked in a trap, took over, they trap. The defense started to dominate right after that Shahid touchdown. The defense forces a fumble, recovers it. The offense wakes up, they all of a sudden wake up, find Jackson, Smith and Jigba. He gets his, his most productive drive of the game and it ended with a Jackson, Smith and Jigba 28 yard touchdown. That's when things started to really, really snowball for the Seattle Seahawks and the Atlanta Falcons. They could not stop them. Kirk Cousins threw two interceptions in his game one to Nick Emmon Warrior, who was probably honestly the player of the game. I would likely be up for player of the week this week. He had an interception, a sack, a blocked field goal. The guy was everywhere. He was. He was milking the cow, Mitchell mowing the lawn, fixing the roof, Mitchell fixing the plumbing. He was everywhere you needed to be. You talk about do it all Swiss army knife. And that's a guy Mike McDonald was really, really excited about before the season even started and before, you know, he got injured, a little banged up before the season started or during the first game of the season. So he missed a few weeks. And all Mike McDonald was saying was like, wait until this kid gets into the fold. Wait until he comes back. Then this defense will be unleashed. And this is the first time the. The entire season, the entire starting unit of the defense has been healthy. They got Jaren Reed back, they got Julian Love back, and that was huge to get a Pro bowl safety back this point in the season. Obviously, they've been playing like one of the best defenses in the National Football League before they got him back, but this was a great game for them. Sam Darnold recovers from a. From a slow start, goes 20 of 30 for 249, three touchdowns and an interception off a tip pass to Arroyo.

It was a good game. It was a good game. Again, the concerns about the running game continue.

It seemed like Atlanta had them figured out a lot of that first half and kind of felt. Had a good feel for what they were doing on the ground game and through the air. So hopefully Clint and those guys can get it figured out and start moving forward and start to get that run game consistently going. But overall, if you're a Seattle Seahawks fan, you have to be excited and proud about. Proud with the product that was put on the field this week, on the road in Atlanta, it was fantastic. This team looked really good. And again, that's why they're number two in my power ranking.

[Mitchell]

They look the part today, at least in the second half. Richard, that. That first half, they looked like they were on autopilot. I know the Seahawks have had some trouble in Atlanta in the past, and Richard, 6 to 6, it could have been, you know, 10 to 6. Darnell Mooney looks like he caught a touchdown, stepped out of bounds, did not reestablish himself. So that was a huge turning point going into halftime. And then obviously you, you see the benefit of having a guy like Rasheed Shahid on the roster. 100 yard kickoff return to start that half and ultimately it swung the game. But I too am looking at these running stats and I watched the game and it just seems like it's week after week and every once in a while they'll have a good running game. But Richard, is this a personnel issue? Is this a scheme issue? What's going on? Why have we not seen a consistent runner establish himself in the background backfield? Because it looks like they got some. Two good ones and K9 and Zach Charbonnet. What's the issue there, Rich?

[Richard Sherman]

Well, some, it's a little bit of both. I think both of the running backs can get the job done, but every play it's one guy. You know, to get a run game, being successful, to get a consistent run game, everybody has to do their job. Everybody has to stay on their blocks and execute. And it seems like every single week there's one guy that gets beat, one guy who falls off his block, one guy who, who, who can't sustain long enough for the play to develop the way it has. And, and some of it is Kenneth Walker just bouncing everything outside. And not every play is, is, is designed for it to, to get to the edge. And it seems like that's the reason that they're, they're running Charbonne on different runs.

Inside mid zones, because it's, it, it, because it doesn't seem like K9 right now, at least at this point in the season is going to be patient and wait for those holes to develop. And sometimes that's what you got to do with, with the zone scheme is wait for the wave, wait for the wave, wait for guys to commit, then, then find the gap. And sometimes it seems like K9's getting there, reading it quick and then bouncing it to the outside and trusting his speed. And this is the National Football League. And, and he's made some huge plays and, and, and has incredible speed, but there are fast guys out there. You're not going to consistently have success that way. And not every play is designed for you to have success that way. Sure. And, and I think that's one of the biggest frustrations for him, and I'm sure offensive coordinator Clinton Kubiak is you gotta trust this game. You gotta trust where the ball is supposed to hit. And if you, if you don't do that, it's, it's not ever gonna, gonna click for everybody. And maybe they need to, maybe they switch it up. You know, the, the. Just like the San Francisco 49ers. They went to a gap scheme eventually in a couple games just to switch the mojo up. Just to switch it up to, to. To. To switch the tendencies some. And sometimes you have to do that is to. To change the. And it's hard. It's hard. Let's not. Let's not think that is easy. A team has been running a scheme for the entire season. You installed that in training camp. But when you see things aren't. Aren't working the way you want them to, you gotta adjust.

[Mitchell]

No question about it, Richard. This team looks special. I mean, frankly, I always knew they were good, but they're starting to trend towards that. Hey, they might be pretty damn, damn good. I'm starting to think that. Richard, they got their eyes on the number one seed in the nfc. I think it's within reach, a hundred percent. They got some big games coming up against the Colts, who may or may not be without their starting quarterback, Daniel Jones, and then the Rams. I mean, what in your eyes makes this team so special?

[Richard Sherman]

It's the complete. It's the completeness of this team. It's every phase having being a strength. And Sam Donald just, just became the. The. Just. Just had the most wins for quarterback that has changed teams over. Over two seasons. So he had the most wins of a quarterback. And that's every quarterback that's ever switched teams. That's the Tom Brady's included the. The Peyton Mannings. Who would have thought Sam Darnold would switch teams and have the most wins over that period? Who would have known? But that's a huge stat and I think the, the chemistry he has with Jackson, Smith and Jigba, the, the development, I mean continued development of this offense. And I wish they would give guys like Cody White more opportunities, if I'm being honest. But A.J. barner getting more opportunities, Arroyo trying to get more opportunities. And then Shahid, Shahid finding his space, especially in an intermediate game. He caught a few digs and overs today. It's great to see that that's going to continue to open this offense up and continue to open this offense up down the field and give him more opportunities. The more you can sprinkle it in and keep the defense guessing, the better off they will be. But the hue. The biggest strength of this team is the defense and how consistent they are, how deep they are at the defensive line, how deep they are in the secondary. Ernest Jones comes back and is the heartbeat of this defense. Then you got Nick Ammon Moore, we talked about the huge game that he had. Devin Witherspoon flying all over the place. Got an interception in this game as well. It just Tariq Woolen finding his rhythm, his swagger, looking like his old self, looking like the guy they had high hopes he could continue to be. And he's. He's continued to be be. He's making himself a lot of money. No question about that. Whether it's here or somewhere else, he's going to. He's going to be playing in the National Football League for a long time, and he's going to make a lot of money doing it, playing the position. But this is, this is honestly one of the most complete defenses in the National League League. Football League. And the only reason I don't say the most complete is because the Houston Texans are out there really just mauling people over the last 10 games. So the Seattle Seahawks just have such a bright future. They're so young. I think they're the second youngest team in the National Football League. They got a lot of young guys really, really thriving right now, and that's why you give hope. But then they got veterans, they got demarcus Lawrence playing football. Looks like he's having the most fun he's had playing football in a long time. You got Leonard Williams, a guy who's, who's having a blast playing football. The veteran presence, Jaren Reed is coming back. Byron Murphy. Byron Murphy is blossoming into the player they always hoped he would be. A guy that, you know, some people was called, were calling Boston a lot of different things. His rookie year has really, really had a quietly dominant season and started some game, has rotated some games, but has been incredibly impactful all season long. And then you're not even mentioning guys like Derek hall and Boye Mafe and Uchena nwosu. And I mean, you can go on and on and on about all these guys they have on the defensive line. They're going in waves. And when it gets into the playoffs and you start wearing teams down, that's when you start to see the strength of this team is, is they're never tired on defense. They're always swarming. It's first quarter, swarming, second quarter, swarming, third quarter swarming, fourth quarter, turnovers, turnovers, because they've been swarming the whole game. It's relentless. And you can see this relentless attitude, this relentless behavior, this relentlessness, every single play from every single guy. And when you have that tough team.

[Mitchell]

To beat, no question, you got to tip your hat to John Schneider. He's, he's put on a masterclass these last couple years, drafting, well, evaluating talent and free agency very well. The trade market, obviously. Rashid Shahid as we mentioned, it's all starting to add up and form perfectly for the Seattle Seahawks. We'll see how they handle these next couple games.

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& Co. Richard let's take our commentary to the AFC. We saw a barn burner in Buffalo. Holy cow. The Bills down double digits in the fourth. They look like they're well on their way to a loss. And then Josh Allen starts to look like the MVP of last year that he was. And my goodness, did they take over this game offensively and defensively. Huge win for the Bills. Major comeback. Joe Burrow did as much as he could, you know, 284 yards, four touchdowns. You see how good the Cincinnati Bengals can be when they are healthy. But the Bills, I mean you got to tip your hat and give them credit. Backs against the wall. Coming off a brutal loss to Miami a couple weeks ago, they find themselves in another dog fight with a team that's well under.500. And they persevere. Richard, your thoughts on this Buffalo Bills game and their major comeback.

[Richard Sherman]

Today?

I mean another incredible game for Josh Allen through the air and, and with his legs obviously in tough, in tough conditions. It was snow on the ground, they were in a dog fight. They were down majority of this game. It looked like this was, this game was a lost cause. They were down 2111 at one point and the, the Cincinnati Bengals defense were, were playing as about as well as they played all season. And then Josh Allen turns it on. He, he gets a huge touchdown with his legs. I think it was a 44 yard touchdown or so. Longest touchdown of his career on the ground. And again one of the most incredible plays. Scrambling, scrambling. Looks like the play was dead to rights in the red zone. Josh Allen hits Shakir in the back of the end zone for a touchdown. I mean one of the. It looked like luck, Mitchell, but you can't call it luck when guys like that continue to play this way and play this way in critical games in very tough circumstances. And so you got to tip your cap to him. It was a concerning game early on for this, this McDermott defense. Burrow was having his way with them throughout this game and honestly the pick six was, wasn't, was a great play, but it was like Joe Burrow was trying to get a touch pass over into the pressure because they always say when the pressure comes, when they bring pressure, you throw into it. And Burrow tried to throw into it but he threw this lollipop of a lob pass because he, it was almost like it surprised him maybe and he wanted to make sure he got the ball where it was supposed to be but didn't put too much zip on it and it, and it ended up being a mistake. I think it was a 60 something yard pick six. Then the next drive.

The, the, the mistakes compound. The ball gets tipped up and another interception for Joe Burrow. This is in the fourth quarter and that's what turned the game. That's what turned the game that's what allowed the Buffalo Bills to score back to back touchdowns and really just start roaring back in the fourth quarter. T. Higgins played a really good game. Mike Jecki played a really good game. It looked like the Cincinnati Bengals were going to, were going to take this game and make it really competitive in this AFC north late in the season. But.

This loss all but eliminates them and it puts the Buffalo Bills in a, in a really great spot to, to continue to compete for the top seed in the nfc. I mean AFC and a chance to win this, this AFC east. If they can find a way to beat these Patriots. Obviously it's not in their control because they need some help along the way as well. But they've done everything they can this week to give themselves a chance.

Great game for, for Josh Allen. A real stellar performance for him. Carried his team to this win in tough, tough conditions. Give, give him a lot of.

[Mitchell]

Respect. Well, you got to. And unlike the Seattle Seahu Seahawks who struggle on the ground, that's the Bill's forte. I mean when you got a running back and James Cook who's constantly rushing for 75 plus yards catching the ball at a backfield, big, big gains here and there. This Bill's team, I think the reason they get a little stagnant and stale offensively at times is because of their wide receiver room. They got a personnel issue. I think it's pretty apparent when you're scooping up Brandon Cooks midway through the season to try to find another SAF blanket for Josh Allen. That's going to be the Achilles heel in my opinion with this Buffalo Bills team. Can these wide receivers rise up and play in conditions like this during the playoffs and beat teams that are well above.500 disposal? Well below. That's the question I have with this Bills team. There's greatness in there, but it seems like they've been playing awful mediocre a lot of times. They will squeak one out today, Richard. And it's fortunate they did otherwise. I mean the Bengals, like you said, they might be sniffing the AFC north divisional crown if they go the other way with this game. Richard. Let's take it to the Shador Sanders land in Cleveland. The Browns, I mean talk about a game that you did not expect to be good against the Tennessee Titans. But Shador Sanders put up 364 yards, three touchdowns. Brings back the Browns against a double digit deficit against these lowly Titans and almost ties it up late. But for probably one of the most ridiculous two point conversion calls that I've ever seen in recent memory. But let's talk Shador Sanders. It looks to me like Cleveland might have found someone here for the future. I know you like Shador Sanders. You've stood on the podium and sung praises to this man's name for the last couple of years. Are you liking what you see right now despite the.

[Richard Sherman]

Loss? No question. I love what I saw from Shador Sanders today. Obviously there's still some, some growth there. There's growth. Every rookie quarterback, whoever steps in the National Football League will have growth. They'll have growth each game. They'll have things you can do better. But do you see the potential? Do you see an NFL quarterback? Do you see NFL level throws? Do you see NFL level decision making? You see all those things with Shador Sanders. You saw a dime of a throw on his first touchdown pass to, his first touchdown pass was to Nijoku. Um, it was a pinpoint pass, tight coverage, him off of his back foot. Maybe not the best footwork in the world, but accurate pass for a touchdown. Then you see a really beautifully layered throw to Jerry Judy that ends up in a, in a touchdown. Jerry Judy catches the ball in stride, does the rest, gets the ball to the end zone in a, in a huge, I think it was a 60 yard touchdown pass. But you saw great things from Shador. He even did, did it with his legs. He, he had a 14 yard touchdown run where he sacked our, I think it was around 14 yards touchdown run where he sacrificed his body. He ended up with four total touchdowns in this game. And the underlying thing, I, I, I know you don't, you don't worry about storylines and, and, and these, these background stories, but he was playing against Cam Ward and they, they're known to be really good friends. Cam Ward obviously the number one pick in the draft and he was outplayed today by Shador Sanders and far outplayed. Shador Sanders had, was 23 or 42 for 364, three passing touchdowns. Did have a really bad, I mean not a bad int, but a, int. You don't want a pass. I'm sure he would have wanted back. He was a little high trying to take a shot down the field. Woods making him pay for it again, a learning opportunity. He's not the only one to throw interception. He's not the first, won't be the last. But what you did see in this game was consistency from, you saw, hey, when the, when, when it's not there, he's either, he's either getting the ball, throwing the ball away or he's eating it. He only took two sacks in this game. That's growth. And I'm sure the offensive line for the, for the Cleveland Browns is excited to hear that because that's one of the knocks on Shador Sanders. He holds the ball too long. He takes unnecessary sacks. That puts his team in a really difficult situation. And he's a guy that really values completion percentage. So sometimes he doesn't throw the ball away as much as he probably should. I think today he threw all that out the window. Said, hey, whatever it takes to win, I'm going to do in a, in a game where the run game wasn't necessarily as effective as it usually is. The run game for the Cincinnati Bengals, I mean for the Cleveland Browns is something they usually lean on. Um, Judkins has been phenomenal this season. Has, has really been productive, but today it just wasn't his day. He had 14 carries for 26 yards, only 1.9 carry average. But your Doris Sanders carried, carried the, the, the weight this game. He did a good job each and every drive of making good decisions, figuring out where he needs to go, going through his progressions, and that's growth. That's what you would expect. He played like a guy, not like a guy picked in a fifth round. He played like a guy you would have, if you didn't know any better, would have thought was picked in the first round and probably should have been picked in the first or second round of this draft. But you know, that's not here nor there. There are quarterbacks in the league playing worse than him, drafted a lot higher. But who am I? I'm just a humble servant. The questionable thing and frustrating. Probably the most frustrating thing in this game if you're just a casual fan, not even if you're a fan of the Titans or the Browns, was a two point conversion at the end. Shador Sanders drives this team down the field, scores. They score the touchdown and you're like, okay, all right, they need a two point conversion. What are they going to do? This guy has been fantastic. They put the ball in his hands 42 times. He's completed 23 passes, 364 yards. What is he going to do this time? Even if you decide to run it, the run game isn't, isn't doing great. But you take him out the game. You take him out the game on the most critical play of the game. And then Judkins, not a quarterback who's, who's a really good running back, I believe. And it's going to Be a really good running back in the future. Forgets on a, on a, oh, my God. Mitchell on, on a play where it's a wildcat and, you know, so much was going through his head. So much. He had to, he had to give the play call, he had to do this, he had to do that. And then he forgets to pitch the ball. Mitchell, he had taken five steps past the guy he was supposed to pitch the ball to before he remembered, oh, my God, I'm supposed to pitch the ball and then tried to turn around and throw it back to the guy.

That's what we do for the game. Like.

I think Stevanski has done a pretty solid job in Cleveland, and I think he's done some good things, especially early on. He won coach of the year a couple times. But my goodness, was that awful. My goodness, was that awful. And I know he's going to be criticized of it because of how polarizing Shador is in America right now. And, and Trudor played a fantastic game. He gave you a chance to win the game. He gave you a chance to tie it. And you say, hey, we're going to take you out. We're going to, we're going to. We're going to. We're going to give the play to a guy who doesn't really call plays in the most critical time of the game, and we're going to see if he can do it. We're going to, we're going to say, hey, can our rookie running back get us where we need to be? Mitchell? That's what they said. They said.

They said we're going to give our put, put the game in our rookie running back's hands. He's going to call the right play, do make the right decision. Instead of our rookie quarterback who plays quarterback, whose job it is to call plays and run plays. We're just going to take him out. And when, see, see what.

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[Richard Sherman]

If I'm not in Cleveland Browns defense, I am frustrated. I am pissed. I am pissed. I mean, they didn't play their greatest game by any means. They gave up 31 points. But.

What was that? Kevin Stavanski? I don't, I can't. I'm sure somebody can explain that play. Somebody can peel back the layers and tell me why they went with a rookie running back. Wildcat. They. Sure, they've had some success with it, sure. But Mitchell, you want to, you.

[Mitchell]

Want to put on that tinfoil cap with me here? Richard, I got a conspiracy for you. Put it on. I mean, I I think Kevin Stefani's a good coach. I think he's underrated. I would, I wouldn't mind him as my head coach if I was a Cleveland Browns, but they're 3 and 10, 3 and 9. You know, Titans are 1 and 11. There's something called draft positioning, right? I mean, this Cleveland Browns team is not going to make the playoffs, Richard. It could even gotten this from ownership. Hey, Kevin, we got this, this play that the owner wants to run. Why don't we try it out now? We don't want to win this game anyways because that's kind of what it looked like to me. Looks like. Seems like. Feels like the Cleveland Browns did not actually want to win this game, Richard. That being said, I will say this about Cleveland, you know, next year it's. They're bringing back Deshaun Watson and his massive cap hit. There's nothing you can do about that. Once this team gets out from under that huge mistake that they made in getting rid of Baker Mayfield and bringing in desean, I think you might have something with Shador here. I mean, you're going to have a ton of cap space. You're still going to have Miles Garrett in his prime. Who knows? I mean, maybe Cleveland is actually doing something smart by losing this.

[Richard Sherman]

Game. Yeah.

I want to see that vision, Mitchell. I want to say, oh, man, they, they're, they're above the brain. They're big brain in this thing, but they're not, they're not, they're not big brain in this thing. You could have lost the game in Ottoman, Mitchell. You. There's many other ways you could lose a game. Like if you're telling me you, you decided, hey, we're going to do this to lose the game. It's. FBI is going to add to their investigation, no question about it. And Kevin Stefanski is going to be on that list. But I really don't know what they do at quarterback next season. It's going to be a crowded quarterback room. What do you do with a healthy desean Watson? There are a lot of QB needy teams. Every year there's going to be a QB needy team. Does anybody still believe in desean Watson like that? Potentially? Can he add some, add some value to somebody? Probably not for that contract because not a lot of people are going to want to pay him that money. Are you desperate enough to eat that salary for maybe a couple of draft picks? Those are decisions they're going to have to make. But the way Stefanski talks about Shador Sanders and I mean, maybe he talks about all rookie quarterbacks and young quarterbacks this way.

It doesn't seem like.

Like a guy that's excited about him, like a guy that he's excited about playing and excited for his success. And I didn't hear him after this game. I didn't have a chance to, to hear his press conference after this game. But if you listen to, to the way Vrabel talks about Drake n. You know, or, or even, even the way Sean Payton talks about Bo Nicks or, you know, God, coaches who speak confidence into their young quarterbacks, there's something to be said about that. There's something to be said to know that your coach and play caller thinks highly of you, thinks you can get the job done, believes you're the guy. And obviously they didn't believe Shador was the guy because if they thought he was the guy, they would have drafted him higher. They drafted Dylan Gabriel higher. So that's the guy who obviously, in their mind, in the, in the ownership's mind, in the front office's mind, in the coach's mind, is the better player. Now Shador has played better. Like Dylan Gabriel doesn't have a game comparable to this, where he, in my opinion, where he had four, four total touchdowns in a game where he threw for 364, where he looked like an NFL quarterback. A lot of Dylan Gabriel's games were sometimes efficient. Ish, but they were conservative. He just was trying to play no risk football. Hey, I'm not going to push the ball down the field. I don't want to risk a turnover. So I, I'm just going to lean on my defense and run game and hope for the best. Shador Sanders is playing. Hey, I will push that. I will push it down the field. And now they do throw screens and he benefits from some yak and running backs making big plays. But running back fumbled a ball today. It hurt this team. That's probably a big reason they lost this game as well. But I think Shador Sanders showed he's an NFL quarterback and he can be a really good NFL quarterback if he continues to develop and continues to build on this. And I know people talked about how arrogant he was, like, oh, man, this was only a week of practice. This is only a week of practice. Like what, What? Like that's. It just rubs people the wrong way. And, and for people that have grown up in that culture and grown up in neighborhoods like that, where you have to be, where you have to. To walk it like, you talk it, where you have to back up what you say, where you have to really be about what you say you're about. It didn't sound that crazy to me. Sound like a guy who, who knows himself, who, who's been through the fire, who thinks he can go through the fire and knows, you know, he can do the job he's being asked to do. And that's sometimes what is needed. Maybe every other quarterback doesn't, doesn't outwardly say it, but they feel it. I guarantee you. I guarantee you Drake May feels he's the best quarterback in the National Football League. I'm not even going to talk about the top five guys, Josh Allen and Burrow and Lamar and Aaron Rodgers, and talk about how they feel about themselves when they step on that football field, because there is no doubt. So a young kid just outwardly displaying it, it's going to always rub people the wrong way. But so what? So what? Maybe that's why y' all not special. Maybe that's. Maybe, maybe you need to change the way you feel about yourself to be able to go out into the world and perform like you're capable, to really, to really realize your potential. Maybe that's not the, the right way to do things in your eyes, but there are many ways to skin a cat, many ways to have success, and many ways to play this game. And, and that's part of the journey. Maybe one day Shador Sanders will wake up and be like, I don't really want to play it like that no more. I want to. I want to go a different route. I want to. I want to be quiet, speak up on my teammates. But he speaks highly of his teammates. He celebrates his teammates. He speaks, he does the things. He doesn't throw his quarterback. I mean, his coach under the bus at all when, when coach makes obvious mistakes. I'm sure after, in his press conference, they're going to ask him, what did you feel about Kevin Stefanski's decision to take you out from under center and put Judkins in on the most critical part of the game? And he's probably going to say, hey, I trust my coach. Hey, if that's what they decide, that's what they think is best, that's what we got to go with. I'm just excited to be a part of this team and a part of his organization. He says the right things. So it's frustrating when guys treat. Treat young quarterbacks a certain way that believe in themselves, but, you know, it is what it is. It's the.

[Mitchell]

League. Yeah. Well, Richard, let's take the Conversation to the AFC north.

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O.Com the Steelers go on the road in a must win scenario and beat the Baltimore Ravens at MT bank and Aaron Rodgers looks like vintage Aaron Rodgers again. There was a lot of conversation about his hand and coming into this game, how he's going to have to be in shotgun all game and yada da da da. But at the end of the day, the Pittsburgh Steelers finally looked good offensively. This was an offense that had been sputtering the last few weeks. There was a lot of conversation about should they just put Mason Rudolph in this game to give him better shot to win Aaron Rogers Aaron Rodgers quickly clouded quieted those conversations. His connection with DK Metcalf today was the difference. Seven receptions for 148 yards. Impressive win by the Steelers. But what in the world is going on with Baltimore? I mean they have not looked themselves all season long. I understand they're dealing with injuries, but come on. I mean offensively these are the same guys that they've had on the field for the last numerous seasons and they have not been able to get it going. Before we go into this game, Richard, what has happened to the Baltimore Ravens that we all knew from the last.

[Richard Sherman]

Couple years. I really can't explain it, but it starts with Lamar Jackson. He just doesn't look like the guy, the mvp, the annual MVP candidate, the perennial MVP candidate that he's been. He doesn't look as dynamic. I don't. You've seen him jump on and off the injury report for various things. Maybe there's something underlying there that, that is, that is much more serious than, than, than Baltimore Ravens are letting on. We, we saw that, we saw them get fined for, for the game where, where, where they, they activated him and said hey, he's limited, et cetera, et cetera. He has a chance to play and then ultimately decided not to play him in the game. So I think there's something going on. They start the season one and five after he got hurt, but they didn't look that great. Then we, we, we can talk about the, I mean it all really, really started to go downhill. Maybe that Buffalo game when, when, when Derrick Henry fumbled that ball in the fourth quarter and, and things kind of just started to cascade. Things that are unusual for a Baltimore Ravens team started to happen and that's continuing to happen. And with all that said, they're still, they still got a slim chance to win this division because everybody, Pittsburgh is just as inconsistent as Baltimore is. You don't know what you're going to get from them from one week to the next. They got the Dolphins who are, who are playing really good football. The Steelers face the Dolphins and they got your Detroit Lions who, who could go either way. You know, your Detroit Lions could put a hurting on them. And then the Browns, a division game that's going to be rough and tough and tumble. And then you got the Baltimore Ravens. So that last game could potentially be for this division. But Lamar Jackson just does just looks out of sorts right now for some reason. And this was his first touchdown and I think four weeks, first pass and touchdown in four weeks. And that's the way he's been struggling in another interception. I think over the last four weeks he's gotten one touchdown and four interceptions, which is, which is just crazy. And this was his first rushing touchdown this game since.

[Mitchell]

Week one. I, it's.

[Richard Sherman]

Unheard of. These are things that I, it's unheard of and it's, it's, it's mind boggling and those are the things that you're like, hey, I don't. I, unless I go into the Baltimore Ravens locker room and building and really see what's Going on. I can't really explain it because it just looks odd. Derek Henry is, is. He had 25 carries in this game. And usually when Derek Henry gets over 20 something carries, they win these games. But they didn't. They didn't. And the Steelers were the better team this game. The Steelers were the better team the entire game. Aaron Rodgers and DK Metcalf were dealing with a lot of outside noise and about how they can't connect and how DK might not be the guy. And what they showed in this game is maybe DK is the guy. And, and things just weren't, they just weren't clicking. They just didn't have the feel early on. But if they can play like they did in this game, they'll be a tough outfit to beat. If their defense can get an interception and sack the quarterback in critical situations like they, like they did in this game, they will be okay. But on the other side, Baltimore's defense, no sacks, no interceptions, just a pedestrian effort from a defense that, that has been historically really good. You always expect good defense from Baltimore. Now last few years they've had, they've had stretches where they've looked awful. They've looked, they've been one of the worst past defenses and scoring defenses statistically. And then they've had stretches where they've turned it on and looked really great. But since Mike McDonald has left, they aren't the same kind of defense. And that's been showing. That's been a big, big change in this team. And you wonder in this, the 39th meeting between Tomlin and Harbaugh, like, is both of their times coming to an end? You know, are these teams going to move on and say, hey, it's a new guard and times are changing. These teams don't hire new quarter. I mean, new coaches very often. These aren't, these aren't those kind of franchises. But you have to wonder if, if, if the, the, the powers that be are thinking about, hey, maybe it's time for.

[Mitchell]

A change. You never know. But I mean, regardless, this is a massive win for Pittsburgh. This is a team that looked like they wanted it a lot more. I know they couldn't get the rushing game going today, only 34 rushing yards. But I tell you what, Kenneth Gainwell has been a big low key addition for them this off season. The guy in the red zone, giving it to him on the edge. He seems to be consistent and helping them get into the end zone. So like you said, a couple big games on the horizon and that one in Ford Field against the Lions. Heaven forbid they beat the Detroit Lions, but they are going to be in must win mode. So that's going to be like a playoff game. Every game going forward for them is going to be like a playoff game. Talk Jaguars and Colts. I mean the Colts were one of the hottest teams in all. They were the hottest team in all football to start the season. Daniel Jones, total revelation. Indiana Jones, right, Richard, we haven't heard about Indiana Jones a whole lot recently. I know he's been battling the leg injury. Now he's got this Achilles injury. Is this the end of the Indianapolis coast.

[Richard Sherman]

Magical season?

Sadly, it looks like it looks that way, Mitchell.

And it's unfortunate because they had been playing really great football, complimentary football.

They went all in trading for Sauce Gardner and it looked like maybe that move would propel them into the stratosphere that they wanted to be in of AFC contender. And then you lose Daniel Jones. And that's the unfortunate part of this game when you're trying to battle through injury, when you're trying to say, hey, I'm fighting for my team. Sometimes.

Your sacrifice isn't rewarded.

And your body is trying to compensate, but in trying to compensate, you overcompensate and you injure something else. I've been victim of this many times. I tear my knee up, my other quad strains, my glutes strain, my back strains tear one Achilles, the other ones banged up, et cetera, et cetera. But these are the kind of sacrifices that I'm not even sure fans recognize to this degree because at this point they're like, oh well, Daniel Jones. That's unfortunate. That sucks for my team. Not that it sucks for Daniel Jones to go out there and sacrifice the way he did for my team and potentially have a season ending injury that will go travel on to next year and potentially put him out for some of next season and drastically affect his free agency and the money that he can make going forward, the money that he can make as an Indianapolis Colt, et cetera. That's why I think that was the frustration of him slamming his helmet on the ground. He immediately understood the, the consequences and the results of what just happened. And that's the saddest part about this. I'm so sad because he had been having such a resurgence, such a really cool season that, and you want to see that for guys. If you guys are struggling, you know you got to report it the way it is. But you don't want to see him continue to struggle and continue to struggle and give you up you'd love to see a comeback story. And he was having a beautiful comeback story. The Indianapolis Colts were having a beautiful revival. Everybody's talking about the owner, her coming down wearing the headset, et cetera, her, the note taking, et cetera, et cetera. It's fun, it's a great story. And you're looking forward to how they're going to do in the postseason. They had been playing well defensively, had. Had been a top five, top ten defense. He looked like an MVP candidate in the backfield with Jonathan Taylor. Sixteen touchdowns on the season now, and now it looks like that has all fallen apart. You're now going with a rookie quarterback. Leonard, out of Notre Dame, struggled in this game. 18 of 29, 145 and interception. That's. That's no fault of his own. That's. We're not going to judge him off of that. He needs a. We, you know, prepare and then the game plan and design a plan around him and his strengths. But.

Now they got to go and play the Seattle Seahawks, a team that's playing fantastic football, that's rolling. They got to play the, the. The Seattle Seahawks and try to try to get a win there. Because you're going from, hey, we're, we're. We're leading this division, we're winning, running away with this division to now the Jaguars are winning this division. The Houston Texans are on an incredible run. You could find yourself out of the playoffs with a few losses. With just a few losses, Mitchell, you could go from the number one seed who everybody, the Cinderella to Cinderella losing the glass slipper off her foot.

And that's the way this league is. That's how important a quarterback position is to a team. And so.

It'S really sad, it's really sad that this has happened to Daniel Jones because it was such a cool story and gonna be such a cool.

Off season for him and his family and it was going to be well earned. But unfortunately he got the Achilles injury. Hopefully he goes to a doctor. They have new surgeries and new techniques they're using. That's why Aaron Rodgers was able to come back as quickly as he was. Hopefully he goes and gets that from Ella Trash and he's able to come back as quickly before next season. I mean, fingers crossed. You know, you want the best for the guy. But obviously the Jacksonville Jaguars and Trevor Lawrence are in command of this division now. Trevor Lawrence had one of his best games of the season, throwing the ball to Brian Thomas throughout the game. Had a really good game. Tim Patrick had A really good game and a touchdown. Jacoby Myers has been enjoying his time in Jacksonville. It appears he had a touchdown in this game. The defense continues to turn the ball over at a high tilt, and that's the reason this team has had success. They continue to find a way, regardless of how many yards and. And all that they give up. They're a bend, but don't break defense. And they turn the ball over at a high tilt. You can do that. You can find a way to get wins in this game. And that's what the Jacksonville Jaguars have done. They're nine and four now and look to be on their way.

[Mitchell]

To winning the AFC south, no question about it. And what stood out to me today especially is Trevor Lawrence. It seems that his game is. It matured a little bit. He's getting more involved with his legs. You know, he doesn't seem as timid with the ball in his hands. And he extended a couple of these drives by putting his head down and driving for yardage. And then the other side of it is Travis Etienne. I mean, this is a. A year that no one really expected much out of him, but reality is he's playing for next year as well. He's going to be a free agent after the season. Two touchdowns today. And then kudos to James Gladstone, the young GM that they brought in. He's aggressive gm. You know, you saw what happened with them, obviously moving up to get Travis Hunter. Whether you like the move or not, he stuck his neck out and he wants a. He wants a what he called a generational talent on his team. Once he goes down, he goes and immediately requires acquires Jacoby Myers, who's had a couple good games for this offense. The Jags look very good. I'm not going to put them in this category where I, I think they're super bowl contenders, because I don't. But I think they have a legitimate shot at winning this division. However, I think the Houston Texans are just the better football team. The Jags may have the better record, though. We'll see what happens. But overall, I leave this game very impressed with what I saw from the Jag and Trevor Lawrence. And kudos to James Gladstone for what he's been able to do in his first year as.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

A.

[Richard Sherman]

Gm.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Hello. Hello. I'm Malcolm Gladwell, host of the podcast smart talks with IBM. I recently sat down with IBM's chairman and CEO Arvind Krishna, and I asked him, how can companies use AI to its fullest potential to create.

[Arvind Krishna]

Smarter business? My one advice to them, pick areas you can scale. Don't pick the shiny little toys on the side. For example, if anybody has more than 10% of what they had for customer service 10 years ago, they're already five years behind. If anybody is not using AI to make their developers who write software 30% more productive today with the goal of being successful, 70% more.

[Richard Sherman]

Productive.

[Arvind Krishna]

Yeah. Wow. So we are not asking our clients to be the first experiment on it. We say you can leverage what we did. We are happy to bring out all our learnings, including what needs to change in the process. Because the biggest change is not technology. It's getting people to accept that there's a different way to.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Do things. To listen to the full conversation, visit.

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O o.com let's talk about a team that needed a win and did not have the mojo today at home against the New Orleans Saints. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers just appear lifeless offensively. You can see the Mike Evans effect play play itself out week after week without him there. It seems like this offense is just totally different. Ameca Buka this guy was, you know, rookie the year. Sure fire rookie of the year. When's the last time we mentioned his name? Richard he had a crucial drop in the end zone on this game. What has happened to these Tampa Bay Bucks? Because as they continue their downfall, their counterpart the Carolina Panthers are looking steadily not even in the rearview mirror anymore. Richard they are in the driver's seat to win this division. The lowly Carolina Panthers are going to potentially take over this division from the Tampa Bay Bucks. I might be.

[Richard Sherman]

Speechless here. Rich. No question. And what's crazy is the NFL does phenomenal job with these schedules because the Tampa Bay Bucks and the Carolina Panthers play each other twice in the last three weeks of the season so both teams will have a chance to decide their own destiny against one another. But this was a really head scratching loss for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. We have them this week on Thursday Night Football against the Atlanta Falcons who just struggled against the Seattle Seahawks. Not sure the ratings will be great this week but.

But.

[Mitchell]

Baker, you're going to bring.

[Richard Sherman]

The energy regardless. Richard I'm going to bring the energy Mitchell. I'm going to be there and I'm going to talk about it. But Baker Mayfield really, really struggled in this game. And that's the biggest concern for this team is the reason they were everybody's darling and, and really everybody thought, hey man, this team could really go even without Chris Godwin and Mike Evans. You're at 100% was because Baker Mayfield was playing at a such, such a high level, putting up big numbers. They were putting up big point numbers offensively. But now you look up In Baker midfield 14, 31, 22, touchdown and interception against the Saints defense that.

Honestly hasn't been great this season. And then you lose again to Tyler shaw who was 13 of 20. It looked like, hey, Keller Moore was like, hey, we're just going to stay in your wheelhouse. Don't lose us the game. He did throw an interception in the game. No touchdown, but he again used his legs. That's the evolution of quarterbacks in the National Football League.

Knowing when and when not to use your legs. And Tyler shot seven rushes for 55 yards and two touchdowns on the ground. That was the difference in a game. You can't have this loss if you're Tampa Bay Buccaneers. But it's all is not lost. NFC south is the, it's every year it comes down to the wire and every year the Tampa Bay Buccaneers find a way, at least for the last four years to get it done to win the games they need to win, to scrape and grid out the wins that they need to get. And it seems like Mike Evans is on his way back into the fold and I think people will have much more appreciation for him each time he comes back from injury. Unfortunately, it looks like his streak of thousand yard seasons is going to end at 11. But he'll have impact in the next few games and I think he'll get them over to hump and help them win the number one seed. But this was just a really bad loss for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and, and I mean not even a great win for the Saints if I'm being honest. Because.

Because at this point in the season it's, it's what we talked about a little earlier in the show with the Cleveland Browns. Like draft position matters, like if you're going to be bad, then be bad. Like don't, don't decide at the end. You want to go upset people and damage the division and do all this because when the draft picks come down, you're going to wish you had that leverage. You're going to wish you could get that guy. And you're going to be like, how important was that win against the Bucks? What did it get you other than a worse player? Not the player, a worst position in the draft. I mean, that's the stuff. Not that you take games or lose games on purpose because nobody's built like that in the NFL, but, but it just. This is a game that, that, that hurts both teams, honestly.

[Mitchell]

And it's weird. It certainly is. Before we leave this game, in regards to Mike Evans, if anyone wants to debate the topic of whether he is a Hall of Famer, I think the absence of Mike Evans on this roster over the last month and a half shows how good of a player this guy is. Richard. In my opinion, this guy is a Hall of Famer. No question about it. I guess that leaves us with the Detroit Lions, Richard. They took on the Dallas Cowboys in my neck of the woods. Detroit, Michigan, you were in town. We had another great time together. It's always great welcoming you to my side of the country. And you were able to see an absolute spectacle. The Detroit Lions slapped 44 on the board and took care of the red hot Dallas Cowboys. We talked pregame. You said you were going to show some love to this Detroit lion team. They needed it, Richard, and they showed up for you. Jameer Gibbs is a story of the NFL this week. In my opinion. He has firmly put his name in the hat for the most destructive, elusive, best. I, I don't even want to call him best running back. I mean, he might be the best running back in football. I don't know what your thoughts are on that, Richard, but in my opinion, this guy just tied Barry Sanders for the most touchdowns by anyone before the age of 24. His 47th touchdown of his career. Your thoughts on Jameer Gibbs and this Detroit Lions team who.

[Richard Sherman]

Desperately needed a win, a huge win for this Detroit Lions team. They, they did it with with a complete effort.

Obviously this defense hasn't been, hasn't been phenomenal this season, but they got a ton of pressure. They got more sacks in this game against the Dallas Cowboys than they had the, the last four games combined. And your guy, Al Kadeen Muhammad had a huge game, multiple sacks, and this is a confidence builder for that defense. But you look on the other side and Jared Goff, 309 yards and a touchdown. David Montgomery getting involved, had a big run in the game. And then your guy, Jameer Gibbs, three touchdowns in the game. One of the most impactful players in the National Football League. One of the best players in the National Football League, regardless of position, continues to make huge impact, breaking record after record. You can talk about his yards per carry over the 41st 45 games, beating Barry Sanders. He has 5.5 yards per carry in his first. Through his first 45 games, Jerry Rice had 43 total touchdowns. Jameer Gibbs has 47, Emmett Smith had 46. I mean 4,600 yards total yards. Jameer Gibbs has 4,700 yards and he's doing it through the air on the ground. He's been phenomenal and he's been consistent all season long. And you got to appreciate that this was a Dallas Cowboys team that was rolling, that was red hot. CD Lamb came into this game and really was dominating before he went out with that concussion. He was having a fantastic day. He ended up with six receptions for 121 yards. And then he went out when he had that concussion where his head slapped against the turf. Unfortunate. And then Flournoy, who I think had 20 career catches coming into this game, had nine in the game. 415 yards and a touchdown. And enough has been said about George Pickens and his performance.

Was he double teamed a lot. Was he, you know, playing, was he engaged? You know, enough has been said about that, but I think that's going to be the story of this offseason. What the the Dallas Cowboys decide to do. They have draft picks, they have a really talented offense. Obviously this was the number one offense in the National Football League coming into this game. So that you know they can score points, you know they can, can push the ball down the field, you know they can run the ball. Javante Williams has had a resurgence of a season in, of his career. It's the defensive side where they, where they give up 40 points and you think, hey, Quinn Williams has had 21 pressures in the last three games and they got all these trades. You know, Diggy Zua has also been doing great since Quinn Williams is coming. The defense has just been playing better overall. But then they have a setback against a team that's a true contender. And you question if, if, if they're really what they were, were over those last three games or was that, was that a mirage? They're going to have to address it. They're going to have to address the defense as a whole. Figure out if Eber Flutes is the answer, if he gets another year. And, and personnel wise, they're going to have to make some decisions whether to, to draft more guys at the position. You're going to need more pass rushing, more pass Rushes the better.

In special teams wise, what you're going to do to help this team be what Jerry Jones thinks they can be. He wants to win a Super bowl before he passes and they're going to have to put a better, a.

[Mitchell]

Better team together. No question about it. Back on the other side of the field with the Detroit Lions, we saw Aman Ross St. Brown suffer an ankle injury in the Thanksgiving Day game when he got rolled up on on a play and a lot thought that he, he was not going to be playing this game. He was listed as doubtful, then moved to questionable. Then was a game time decision and ultimately he went out there and a lot of people thought hey, maybe he's just going to go out there, run a couple routes and be a decoy. That was not the case at all. I'm on Ross St. Brown record six catches for 92 yards and didn't look injured at all. I know the guy toughness is in his DNA. We've all heard about his family and his dad and just his genuine upbringing. But it's this kind of a player reminds me a lot of your days, Richard and the legion of boom. I know you guys played through your injuries, your ailments. No one ever complained about it. It was always, hey, strap up and get ready to play. And that toughness when you have that on your team, I know it's infectious. What does it mean to play with somebody like Aman Ra who you know is in a world of hurt but is going to go out there and put his ass on the line in a.

[Richard Sherman]

Must win game? I think it's inspiring. I think it's inspiring to his coaches, to his teammates and it gives him even more respect in that building.

And with the fan base because they know he's putting his money where his mouth is. He's a guy that thinks this team is great. And when your best players sacrifice and put their bodies on the line for a team like that, then other guys know that's the standard and that's setting a standard for other young guys when they have injuries or they're a little nicked up in the decisions they make going into it. If you're a veteran say hey man, I'm a little sore, I'm sitting this one out, then young guys, it's going to trickle down and the opposite is true as well. If your best guys and your best players are your hardest workers and guys that put it all on the line for the team, then the young guys will know that's the way we do things. In Detroit. And that's the message that Amon Rod St. Brown is sending to this team and to the league that, hey, regardless, I'm going to do everything in my power to give my team the best chance to win. If my body is able, I will be out there. And he put on an, an incredibly inspiring performance that you got to respect and you appreciate. If you're a Detroit Lions fan, that's a hat.

[Mitchell]

Tip to him. Richard, before we leave this game, I gotta ask, I mean it was the talk of the town. George Pickens didn't seem to love your commentary on him during the game, although it was valid in my opinion.

Richard, what are your thoughts about his comments? I know players get emotional, especially after losses and big games, but some of the statements were just not factual whatsoever. Your thought about George.

[Richard Sherman]

Pickens comments post game I don't really have any thoughts about it. Mitchell, as a young kid getting emotional, you know, it's, it's our job to, to analyze the performance. And in that game it's less about, you know, the comments about his play and more about.

The potential you believe he has. And if you think he can be the best receiver in the National Football League and that's the expectation you have for him, when you see a performance like that, you're disappointed. And so that was the commentary and I think that's where I was speaking from was he has all the ability in the world and he has a new start and he's been playing, playing like the guy that we think he's capable of being. And then in this game you're saying, oh, cloud coverage. And, and, and man, they were bracketing. So we, we don't. I've, I've played against some of the best receivers in the National Football League. The Calvin Johnson, the Julio Jones, the AJ AJ Greens, the, the Antonio Browns. If cloud coverage made them shut it down, Mitchell, they would never play. And that's the, that's the thing, you know, and it's a, it's a lazy excuse for people to say, oh well, he was getting double teamed. Why do you think Dak was still throwing him the football? Because that for a guy with that kind of talent, it doesn't matter. It does not matter if you, if he's a guy with the kind of talent that he has, Dak's going to find a way. Dak is a good enough player to get him the football and that is why Dak targeted him. Dak sees the coverage, he sees the clout, but he also knows this is his best guy, and he knows what he's capable of. So when he sends him on a 7 pump, he says, hey, I see the double, but I don't think that's enough to stop him. And that's what you agree with. When you see the talent that George Pickens has, you say, you got to think, no matter what, who's out there, double cloud, bracket, whatever, that's not enough to stop me. And I think when George Pickens realizes that the league is in trouble, you can't say, hey, I recognize I'm being bracketed, so I'm taking the playoff.

That's wasting the gift. And that's the reason I was frustrated.

His agent, David Mulaguetta, is a good friend of mine, and he reached out and we had a conversation about it. And so everybody's on the same page. There's no ill will or bad blood there. But I just want. I want it for him, you know, and you can't want it for somebody more than they want it for themselves. And I think that was my frustration in that game, is because everybody sees it. Everybody sees what he can become. And it's like, oh, I looked at that game and I said. I said, terryon Arnold is on ir.

They got a Meek Robertson, and they got my guy DJ Reed. Not. Not the biggest corners in the world. Very bad matchups against George Pickens, very awful matchups. Like, that's the kind of game, especially with CD Lamb on the other side, you're not going to just single CD Lamb and double George Pickens. They've leaned safeties over the last few games. I think that's what the Kansas City Chiefs did. But I thought this was a game that George Pickens was going to eat and feast. And they didn't really target him early on because CD was. Was having a way. He was having his way. But once CD Went out, I was like, okay, it's about that time. Like, they don't have a choice. They're going to have to feed to George Pickens. And sure, sure, they were fine in Florida.

Because George Pickens was allowing him to. George Pickens was pulling coverage and allow. But still, when you're a guy, coverage cannot dictate. Coverage cannot dictate whether you get the. And that's what. That's what Dak was saying. That's what Dak was saying with not only his voice, but with his reads. He didn't care that he was bracketed. He said, hey, my guy's bracketed. My guy's better ball. My guy's Double team. You're doubling him, he's faster, he's better balled. That's why we were seeing the targets that George Pickens was getting. And so when people were like, oh, you're just a hater, you just like, I am absolutely not. I'm the exact opposite. I want, I want the same thing probably everybody who's a fan of him wants. And I'm disappointed that we didn't get that. So I don't really have a response to his comments, but that's what I was meaning in the, in my.

[Mitchell]

Analysis of it. I don't mean to speak for you, but I will. Richard, I don't know if I've ever met anyone that cares more about other people's success than you. You've always been a player's guy. You've always wanted guys to get paid more. You were part of the NFL Penns executive committee, always driving up the salary cap as much as possible. You represented yourself on the field. You try to educate other players about representing themselves and what to look out for the questions to ask their agents. So in terms of a guy that's a hater, a hater, you are not a pragmatic individual that has objective commentary. You are. And you call the spade a spade. And like you said on that game day, the tape showed itself and it's your job to comment on it. So that's what.

[Richard Sherman]

We'Ll leave that. No question about it. We'll.

[Mitchell]

Leave it there. Richard. The next game we got here, NFC north showdown and obviously my eyes are all over this game. The packers are hosting the red hot Chicago Bears, first place in the conference. Who saw this coming? Ben Johnson at the helm. This is a true test. I mean we thought last week was a big time test on the road against Philly. You were there, you saw them firsthand. I think they answered a lot of questions for any of the doubters out there. And now they go on the road in a division battle against the Green Bay Packers. It comes down to the wire. Interception by your boy Keyshawn Nixon, friend of the program to seal this game. How impressed were you with the Green Bay packers.

[Richard Sherman]

In this win? I was really impressed. Overall team effort, a lot of, lot of good things on both sides of the football. Obviously the Keyshawn Nixon interception was the game sealer. You know, a lot of people holding their breath, but it was a great battle back and forth for both teams. I mean, in the cold, you know, some people would say this is the what football is about. I'm sure those Players wouldn't say this is what football is about. Freezing cold and, and 8 degree weather. But the teams executed at a high level. Teams that, that have a lot of respect for one another. Jordan Love played a really good game. 17 of 252343 Touch did have the interception to C.J. gardner Johnson, but delivered some really accurate passes. Christian Watson made some huge plays in this game. Only had four receptions. I thought they, you know, could, could get him the ball a little bit more in the second half. Had a, had a great first half, two touchdowns. But I thought, I thought that that was one of his best games and I thought, I thought they would keep feeding him. He looked like he had a good feel. They kept catching the Bears and man to man coverage with CJ Gardner Johnson on him and they kept taking advantage of him every chance they got. Um, they surprised the Bears early on with the bow melton bomb for 45 yards in a touchdown. But you could see the chess match going on between these two coaches. I think Green Bay had a great advantage early on and then in the second half the Bears started to figure it out. They start churning yards out on the ground with, with Swift and, and, and Manungai Burton started to, to, to catch some, some, some rhythm at the receiver spot. Caleb Williams was 1935, 186, two touchdowns in that interception. I'm sure he wants that one back, but I really just didn't understand the call there. You know, you only needed a yard. I felt like they wasted way too much time. They, they were in control. They had timeouts and all that. And even Tom Brady on the broadcast was saying, you know, you, you don't got to go too fast but you know, got to have a little bit of a sense of urgency. And I didn't feel like they had that. Felt like they could have ran it, got the first down, called a timeout, you know, had a conversation and ran better plays down the stretch. But a learning opportunity. And I'm sure Green Bay is excited because that was a hard fought, well deserved win. A hard earned win in a division gives them control of this division and control of their destiny down the stretch. In terms of winning this division, all they got to do is, is, is when the game's ahead of them. But again they play this team again and next time it'll be in Chicago. And that's the cool thing about division games is you never know which one's going to be the one that determines it. But I look forward to seeing the next game as well. This was one of the better games for Jordan Love in this offense. Josh Jacobs had an unbelievable play that really helped solidify and seal this game for him where it looked like they pitched play on was it 4th and 1 and looked like they had him bottled up in the backfield. And he, he found a way to break, you know, four unblocked Bears and Josh Jacobs and he found a way to get through breakthrough and almost make it to the end zone before Buyer was able to bring him down. But this is a, this is a cool game. I can't wait to hear, hear lafleur's comments after the game because it's, you know, you heard Ben Johnson's, you know, they played it over and over and over and you could tell that irritated the packers, both the staff and the players. So, you know, I'm sure he'll have something to say after the game and he should, as he should to the winner goes to spoils, as.

[Mitchell]

We always say. No question about it. Rich, a couple of things stand out for me, specifically with the Packers. You know, this offense was stagnant against Philly, as a lot of teams are. You saw a little bit of the hangover of losing Tucker Kraft. That was going to be a big, big, you know, thing for the hurdle for another jump over. And ultimately they got Christian Watson back off the ACL injury and he looks like he's healthy now. He's been hugely impactful three out of these four last games. You know, obviously his play against the Detroit Lions helped them seal that game. And now we see it here with two touchdowns. You see Green Bay adapting, but I'm going to hesitate to say this, but I'm going to say it. I like Chicago. I mean, they got a heck of a team. You can see Ben Johnson evolving this team into similarly to how Detroit was built, right? I mean, you got DeAndre Swift going for 13 carries, 63 yards. He's kind of like your Jameer Gibbs. And then I know they like Kyle Menong guy at a Rutgers. This guy was a force in college, was widely unrecognized because he was playing at Ruckers. And this is another David Montgomery type. The hammer that they bring in in these goal line situations. You got to love it if you're a Bears fan despite a loss. I think there's a lot of promise with this team as they close this schedule down the stretch. It's going to be tough for them. I mean, that's the reality of it. They're going to see this packers team again at home. And then they got my Detroit Lions to finish off the season. Like you said, these script writers know these games are going to matter. There's a strong probability, Richard, that that game at the end of the season might decide the destiny of both teams, whether they make to the playoffs or not. We'll see how it plays out. But the NFC playoff race is a wild one. And then let's go to your side of the country.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

The.

[Richard Sherman]

NFC.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

West. Hello. Hello. I'm Malcolm Gladwell, host of the podcast smart talks with IBM. I recently sat down with IBM's chairman and CEO Arvind Krishna and I asked him, how can companies use AI to its fullest potential to.

[Arvind Krishna]

Create smarter business? My one advice to them, pick areas you can scale. Don't pick the shiny little toys on the side. For example, if anybody has more than 10% of what they had for customer service 10 years ago, they're already five years behind. If anybody is not using AI to to make their developers who write software 30% more productive today with the goal of being.

[Richard Sherman]

70% more.

[Arvind Krishna]

Productive. Yeah. Wow. So we are not asking our clients to be the first experiment on it. We say you can leverage what we did. We are happy to bring out all our learnings, including what needs to change in the process. Because the biggest change is not technology, is getting people to accept that there's a difference way.

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To do things. To listen to the full conversation, visit.

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[Mitchell]

D O O.com the LA Rams prove why they are at the top of a lot of folks power ranks. Despite the loss last week. They take care of the Arizona Cardinals with absolutely no problem. 45 to 17. We saw a lot of Blake Corum in this game. 12 rushes for 128 yards. How impressive were the Rams to.

[Richard Sherman]

You in this one?

They were incredibly impressive. Obviously the Cardinals haven't played well this season, but a division game is a division game and they took care of business. Matt Stafford continues his MVP campaign. Um, you, you. You may see a a defensive player factor into that for the first time in the history of the National Football League, but you know they don't like to put MVPs on bad teams. So Miles Garrett, I'm sorry they're not going to give it to you, babe. But defensive player of the year, they don't mind giving it to players on bad teams, so they will definitely give him that award. But they. It was just a completely complete domination from The Rams from be from start to finish. Blake Corum 12 carries for 128, two touchdowns.

The Kyron Williams 13 carries for 84 yards and. And the touchdown puking the coolest. Seven catches for 167 and a Moss. Randy Moss on head top as the kids say in the game. But they just looked great. They. This was one of their better offensive performances and on the defensive side they looked. They looked really good. Um, you know, obviously there's always going to be things you can correct and things you can get better at, but.

In the end, this is the, this is what you expected from the Rams in this game. It's the next couple games that'll really determine things for the Rams, for everybody. I mean, again, we talked about the script writers, talked about the schedule writers for the National Football League. Your rant the Rams have your Lions coming up. That's going to be a huge game for both teams. Both teams have to have that win if the Rams lose that game. And then they got Seattle the next week pretty much with for what could be the one seed, you know, the one seeds flipping and flopping every week because of the teams that play.

Then the Rams have some. A little bit of a break because they have the ra. I mean the Falcons, they have the Seahawks after that and then they have the Falcons and Cardinals. The Cardinals are going to look like they're going to be picking pretty early in the draft this year. Still got some. A solid team, but got to figure out the quarterback situation. Got to figure out a lot of things on defense. Got to get more talented. I think they got a good coaching staff. I think they got pieces in place, but just got to continue to get better and improve in a very tough division. And that's what it looked like. That's what it's looked like all year. Jacoby Brissette played a solid game. 271, two touchdowns and interception. But it's not going to be good enough against a Rams team that's going to be competing for.

[Mitchell]

The championship this year. It's been a downward slide for the Arizona Cardinals ever since they lost James Conner, really. But I mean, on the bright side of things, they do look like they have a good stud wide receiver. We thought this would be Marvin Harrison Jr. But it's your Stanford Cardinal alum, Michael Wilson. I mean, another huge game for him today. 11 receptions, 142 yards, two touchdowns. I know you know his game. Richard, did you see this coming? Did you see him having this success in the NFL like he showed over the.

[Richard Sherman]

Last three, four weeks? Yeah, he just needs an opportunity and I, and I hope he's able to get to a team that, that, you know, features him more than what he's been featured in Arizona because obviously they believe Marvin Harrison Jr. Is the guy. And so that's where they, you know, put more, most of their energy and their game plan around. But I think Michael Wilson can do it. I think he can play at a high level. I think he can be really effective in this league. A thousand yard receiver, maybe even 1500 yard receiver in the right offense. And I think that's important because he, he's showing what he's capable of in, in a time where, you know, not a lot of people are watching. But I think NFL teams like the San Francisco 49ers should be watching and paying close attention because I think that's a guy that could help them. The Seattle Seahawks, I mean, just about any team, you know, a big strong receiver that, that can, that can get the job done at a high level is valuable in any offense. So I think he'll have a market this off season and hopefully if the Arizona Cardinals don't want to feature him like, like they need to, somebody else.

[Mitchell]

Will come get him. There's no question about it. In the final game of the weekend, at least that we're going to cover, is the Denver Broncos. You know, they're, they're in a tight race with the New England Patriots for the top of the afc. But one team, to me, just looks a lot more impressive than the other, and that's the New England Patriots. The Broncos went again on the road, 24 to 17. And you know what? They, they control this entire game. The score did not dictate, you know, how much Denver dominated, but I think a lot of teams dominate these Las Vegas Raiders. That being said, you know, Bo Nix, 31, 38, incredibly efficient for 212 yards, had a rushing touchdown. We expected the Broncos to win, but Richard, I candidly, I expect them to blow this team out and they didn't do that. 11 and 2. I guess they've earned that record. But on its surface, do you see this team as the cream of the.

[Richard Sherman]

Crop in the afc?

I don't know. I don't know. I don't I. The NFC is. I mean, AFC is wide open, and I think anybody who says anything else is fooling themselves. I think it's wide open. You get to the playoffs, and I'm really not sure who's going to win each game. I think it's going to be some intriguing matchups, no question about it. But I look forward to seeing how the Broncos do next week when they have to play.

When they have to play the Green Bay Packers. I think that's a game that's going to determine a lot for both teams. 2, 2 really good defenses in pass rushes, a young quarterback in Bo Nix who's still figuring it out. Sean Payton's at the helm, but.

We'Ll see. We'll see. We'll see who's able to come out victorious. The packers just had a really physical division game, and I think they'll look at things from this, this Raiders tape and understand that this, this Broncos offense isn't is. It is. They aren't world beaters, you know, and they. They can be stopped. Bo Nicks can be stopped. I like Harvey, but I think. I don't think there's anything about this Broncos offense that scares defenses. And I think if you, if, if I'm Jeff Halfley, I'm looking to be really aggressive and go after this young quarterback and see if we can get him to make a mistake.

And on the other side, I think I, I still think this, this pass rush is one of the best in the National Football League, and I think they're going to have a chance. But. And again, one of the best corners in the National Football League. And Patrick certain this defense is going to give the Green Bay packers some trouble. So it's going to be a great game overall. I look forward to.

[Mitchell]

Seeing it, no question. And the one team I'm by, we got to cover them. We got. We got several listeners and it's San Francisco that we love so deeply. Richard, I know San Fran's on by. They got the Titans next week and then they close out at the Colts, who are without Daniel Jones. The Bears, a team that you've seen firsthand. And then of course, the Seattle Seahawks, they're sitting in sixth place right now in the nfc. They got the Titans next week. I don't want to jump to conclusions, but I think that's a win 10 and 4. And then they finish up at the Colts and then hosting the Bears and Seahawks. They could win this division. Richard and I knew you said early on and we predict. You predicted prior to the start of this year that it would come down to a battle in that last game for the division against Seattle. And you're looking pretty darn smart right now. What do you think of The San Francisco 49ers.

[Richard Sherman]

Chances down the stretch? I feel really good about them and I'm sure The San Francisco 49ers faithful feel really good based off what happened in this week. And you look at.

The unfortunate things that happen. The Colts lose their. Their quarterback to an injury. Now they're. You. You're facing an entirely different offense with. Without Daniel Jones at the helm. Obviously they still have Jonathan Taylor, incredibly effective, but that changes the way you.

[Arvind Krishna]

Game.

[Richard Sherman]

Plan for him. You. You're gonna. You're gonna force the young rookie quarterback to beat you in that game. You know, Sauce Gardner is out for that team. So a number of things have happened that, that just changed the dynamics of some of these games. Again, I think they can beat the Tennessee Titans. I think it's going to be a great game between The San Francisco 49ers and the Seattle Seahawks at the end of the season. I believe they played the Chicago Bears as well. Another game that's going to be a dog fight for this team. So, yeah, there's. There's every possibility in the world for this team to win this division, but there's. It's unpredictable. And anybody that thinks they can predict this is. Is. I. I'd love to see their method, the method to their madness, because it's simply madness right now in the National Football League, a ton of parody, unexpected things are happening every week. You. You never expect the Carolina Panthers to. To beat the, the LA Rams the way they did. You, you don't expect so many things to happen that are consistently happening this season. So it's anybody's guess who wins this division. There's a huge game next week, obviously between the Rams and the Lions, then the Rams and the Seahawks. Those, the way the. The.

Results of those games will have a huge impact on the overall standings at the end. So I can't say, oh, man, I know the Rams are going to win this or the Seahawks are going to win this, and then this. This is going to happen. You just never know. And if the, if The San Francisco 49ers can beat the Titans and then beat the Colts, and then if they find a way to beat the Bears, Whoa Nelly, you know, Whoa Nelly. You're looking at an incredible seasoning. I mean, you got to be looking at Kyle Shanahan for coach of the year. I really, I know there's no way you don't give it to Mike Vrabel. But the circumstances are so unique this season for the San Francisco 49ers. It's hard not to keep looking at this team, especially if they look up. If you look up and they're one of the top three seeds in the nfc, you're like, how, how did you do that without some of your best players? You know, in, in, in uniform you got some of the best players in the National Football League on crutches and, and on the sideline and in the stands watching this team play and you're still able to win football games. So I think there's something to be said there. But it's a, it's a, it's a great, it, it's going to be a great finish. It's going to be a.

[Mitchell]

Photo finish for sure. Well, we got to have an agreement between Northern California and the Pacific Northwest. You guys are all big time Detroit Lions fans next weekend as we take on your, I guess, biggest rival, the LA Rams. So let's all, let's all root.

[Richard Sherman]

For Detroit Lions victory. All odds and lines come from our partners at Hard Rock. Bet we've got the Eagles at the Chargers on Monday Night Football tomorrow. Hard Rock has the Eagles as a two point spread in this game.

I think that's a low light. I think with the way their pass rush gets home in the, the struggles that the Chargers offensive line has, the big time injuries obviously to both tackles.

I think the Eagles can pull away, but obviously Vegas doesn't agree with me. But.

[Mitchell]

How.

[Richard Sherman]

You.

[Mitchell]

Feeling, Mitchell? Man. Richard.

Once the Lions lost the Eagles, I thought hey man, maybe this Eagles team is really going to go back to back. But then the last couple weeks, what I've seen, man, I just don't know if I'm a believer in them. I think offensively they're sputtering, but they're playing indoors in la. I think the Chargers are going to win this game. I think it's going to be close. I think the Eagles offense is going to have some success in the sunshine, but ultimately I think the Chargers are going to win. That being said, I got Devontae Smith, Saquon Barkley, who's much needed to have a good game, and lad McConkey all getting in the end zone. That's my third three picks.

[Richard Sherman]

As anytime touchdown scores.

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