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So what happened at Chappaquiddick? Well, it really depends on who you talk to.
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Bob Crawford
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Host
Left a woman behind to drown.
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Bob Crawford
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Host
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Bob Crawford
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Co-host
Did George Washington really cut down a cherry tree?
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Host
Were JFK and Marilyn Monroe having an affair?
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Bob Crawford
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Host
This is such a ridiculous story.
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Bob Crawford
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Rory
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Host
The volume. No worry.
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Rory
All right, Rory. So we back for another episode of don't know Ball. Yes. So where we could let our fans know exactly how much of ball we do not know. But it's okay because we invite people on that can kind of help us along the way. Today we are joined by a legend.
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Co-host
It's one of the few legends that we've had.
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Rory
Definitely a legend. Somebody that I think has helped the NFL look the way it looks today at the quarterback position. So with the second pick in the 1999 NFL Draft, Rory, the Philadelphia Eagles selected a legend, a dog, a competitor, one of the greatest ever from the Syracuse University, University of Syracuse, Donovan McNabb.
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Co-host
And.
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Rory
And in we double salute Donovan.
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Co-host
True, true Philly fashion. They booed the person that made their franchise.
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Host
Yes.
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Rory
Which was absolutely crazy. But we are joined by the legend, Donovan McNabb. Sir. How you feeling, Donovan?
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Host
I'm feeling All Sandy brothers. How y' all doing?
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Rory
Great. You look good. You look great. You look like you can still play. What you doing, man? You trying to get back out there, man?
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Host
By the way, they giving that money out, Gotta figure out a way to.
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Co-host
Get one year, one year contract.
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Host
Yeah, all my kids stuff. But you know what? It's man, just still continue to work out, man. My kids are all active in sports. I have a daughter that's just graduated from Syracuse who played with the Syracuse women's basketball team.
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Rory
Dope.
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Host
She'll be fulfilling.
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Rory
Salute to your wife as well. She played.
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Host
Absolutely. I appreciate that. I got twins that are 16. One plays football and basketball. My daughter, she plays softball and basketball. Then I have a hockey player who's also a high schooler. So, man, I'm just staying busy, keeping my sexy alive. Just working out every day.
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Rory
Donovan just told us basically all his kids are working.
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Co-host
First of all, he has.
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Rory
Y' all gonna earn y.
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Co-host
He has a kid that plays hockey in Arizona. So, you know, they have to be the best hockey player on earth.
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Rory
Yeah. Yeah.
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Host
Well, the funny thing is, man, I got a nephew that's actually playing, I think, tonight for the Edmonton Oilers.
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Co-host
Oh, okay.
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Host
Nephew. Darnell Nurse.
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Rory
Shout out to Darnell Nurse.
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Host
Yeah. The defenseman for the Edmonton Oilers. So this is round two against the Florida Panthers for the Stanley Cup. Unfortunately, they didn't win it last year in Game 7, but we'll see this year be different.
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Rory
So we. We rooting for Edmonton now.
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Co-host
Of course, we have to I mean, you love Canadians.
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Host
Yeah.
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Rory
Yeah. We have to. We have to root for Edmonton now, Donovan. So talk to us about the early years growing up. You grew up in Chicago. You. You actually played basketball as well?
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Host
Yes.
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Rory
You played with Antoine Walker. You played with, right?
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Host
Antoine Walker.
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Rory
Yeah. What was it, what was it like growing up? Like, we. We hear about how tough it is in Chicago, but Chicag Chicago is known for breeding phenomenal athletes and phenomenal ball players. What is it about the city of Chicago that breeds whether just basketball, but it's like basketball and football. What is it about Chicago?
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Host
The thing about it, I think, that's missing in today's game for a lot of these kids is we didn't have trainers. We went out to the park and played.
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Rory
Good point, good point.
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Host
It's about competing out on the black top. And for all of us, it didn't matter if you played football, didn't matter if you ran track, whatever, you still picked up a basketball and you went out to compete. And so what's different about Chicago is we, we come from around dogs. Like, if you ain't, you ain't tough minded. If you ain't tough physically coming out of Chicago, you ain't really from the crib. And so, you know, it's just for a lot of the skilled guys that we had, we mentioned Antoine Walker, who I went to high school with. People don't realize Antoine was 6, 9, 67 in high school. And you talk about in the 90s, you in high school at 6, 7, you almost walk around like you 7 foot, right. You know.
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Rory
Right.
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Host
And he's the guy that can put the ball on the floor. He can see the floor. He was. He was what you see of the modern day LeBron James, you know, he was dynamic. We had a lot of other guys that came out of Chicago area that kind of blew up. But as far as athletes are concerned, we had, man, we had a lot of great football players that ran track or played any other sport, but it was just they ended up going to these Power 4 schools and being able to make their mark in which as a young kid growing up, gave us hope, it gave us opportunity that we felt like we can get out of the hood, so to speak, or out of, you know, out of Chicago and go and see other things.
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Co-host
What did Antoine play football as well?
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Host
Antwan actually played football when he was young. He could throw, but obviously.
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Co-host
But you could throw better.
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Host
Quarterback.
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Co-host
Yeah.
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Host
So, you know, I think what happened was at that particular point, he already had his mindset that he was going to just strictly play football. I mean, strictly play basketball. But when we played gym class or, you know, we'd do our flag football Tag. Tag or whatever in recess or whatever it may have been. Oh, he always. He had an arm. He could play baseball, though. He was a baseball player.
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Co-host
Okay, what. What brought you to Syracuse as opposed to maybe a Midwest college at the time?
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Host
Kevin Rogers was the quarterback coach at that particular time, who ended up being the offensive coordinator. He and coach Paul Pascalone came to Chicago and recruited me, and our office was very similar to the Syracuse office, just as Nebraska was at that time under Tom Osborne. And so those are my top two schools, and in Texas, Notre Dame were also followed in that whole recruiting process. But Syracuse was an opportunity for me to. To come in, possibly as a redshirt freshman, redshirt my first year, and then play for the next four years and start running the same type of offense. And I just loved everything about the university. I wanted to become a sports broadcaster. And they were ranked in the top two or three at that particular point academically. So that was another end for me, as well as football and the opportunity to play basketball at Syracuse. So I thought it was just a, you know, a great fit for me to have an opportunity to, one, graduate academically there in Syracuse and have the opportunity to play both sports.
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Rory
See, Roy, I think that's gangster. Donovan didn't give us an answer. That was just like a jock answer. He was like, nah. Their broadcast program was top two in the country. It's like, you don't hear high school talking like that.
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Co-host
I'm thinking the league.
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Rory
Yeah. I'm thinking like the broadcast journalism program. Top two in the country. I gotta go here. Talk to us about draft night.
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Host
What?
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Rory
You got booed draft night.
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Host
Right.
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Rory
And to this day, I still don't understand why they booed. What was that feeling initially when you hear your name? Cause obviously, it's something that, you know, everybody dreams about that play sports and hearing their name called on draft night. So you have your moment, but then your moment is met with boos from the fans that are in attendance. Did you take it personally, or did you just feel like these are just fans of maybe the Giants, the Jets that are in here that are just booing everybody?
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Host
Well, the funny thing is, you know, obviously being from Chicago, I was always a Bears fan, and so I didn't know the dynamic of, you know, the NFC east and, you know, all of that at that particular point, and having the draft at Madison Square Garden, you know, you would think there are a lot of Giants fans. There are a lot of fans there in general. And so the funny thing about me and my family, we laugh at about a lot of different stuff. And so when my name was called during the introduction, you know, where they had introduced all of us that were back in the green room, there was slight boos then. And so when I came back in the green room with my family, me and my brother, we just started cracking up. And I looked at my dad, he was like, what was going on out there? I'm like, I thought they were booing, but, you know, he was like, booing who? I'm like, booing me, but I don't know. I mean, you know, if that's the case, that's on them. Right. And so when my name was called on actual tv, that's when the camera kind of panned to the Philadelphia.
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Rory
Okay.
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Host
And they booed. And if you see my face, that's when it became personal, because now I didn't. I thought they booed in the introduction, but now they booed while the TV cameras are rolling.
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Rory
Right.
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Host
And so if you go back to the film, like, I. I always. I'm growing in Chicago. It's cold. Yeah. I put the baseball hat on. I bend it up, and I put it down. And so, you know, at that particular time, Paul tagged the boot. You know, he would lift my hat up just so they could see my face, and I would grab it, bring it back down again.
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Rory
Yeah.
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Host
Because I'm pissed. Yeah, I'm now pissed. And so I'm happy to be the first pick for the Philadelphia Eagles and the second pick in the overall draft. But now I'm pissed because now it's time for me to prove you wrong. And so that was my whole mentality from that point on, all throughout my career, that I was going to prove all the naysayers wrong.
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Rory
Oh, so that's why he kicked the Giants ass every time. We get it now. See, we getting these answers.
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Host
You're welcome.
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Rory
We getting these answers now.
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Co-host
Did you feel that same energy in those first few preseason games your rookie year, just from the Eagles fan base in general?
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Host
You know what? Not necessarily, because at that point as a rookie, I was trying to learn an offense, get comfortable in that offense, and also understand the difference between playing in college and playing in the NFL. So if you. If you recall, my first preseason game was canceled, okay. Because we played against the Baltimore Ravens, and at that point, they were on HBO on the Hard Knock series, and they came out and tested our Field, which was not Lincoln Financial, it was the Vet. And there were potholes where the bases were from the baseball field. And they came out was like, nah, we ain't playing here. Like, you know, and there was a. You know, obviously a whole deal that happened with Wendell Davis and, you know, some other players that had kind of hurt themselves, torn the ACLs or whatever on that, so they chose not to play. And so my first preseason game was canceled, and I'm like, oh, man. I mentally was all ready to get out here and play, and so I had to wait another. Another week. But my preseason was all about me getting comfortable being in the NFL in this new offense and see what I can do in it.
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Co-host
How bad is it playing on those baseball fields, slash football fields, back in the day? Because I feel like the Raiders did it for a while. Eagles.
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Host
The Raiders were. Theirs was on grass and it was dirt. Ours was turf.
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Rory
Okay.
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Host
That turf. I mean, they're divots. And so you're talking where the bases are, where, you know, the actual dirt. You know, it's just a lot of a combination of that. And. And that's why a couple of years later, we ended up going to field turf and changing that and then led us to moving across the street over to Lincoln Financial, where they. They built that. Be the home for the Philadelphia Eagles. But it was one. I was used to it because in Syracuse, in the Big east, at that particular point, for basketball, you know, we're in football. We're playing against Temple University. Yeah, we played there.
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Rory
Okay.
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Host
So I was used to it.
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Rory
Yeah.
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Host
So for everyone else, it was. It was something new.
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Rory
And if you grow up playing, like you said, on the blacktop, talking about.
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Host
Absolutely.
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Rory
Go left at the Honda, cut left with the Honda. Like you a little divot in the field. That ain't nothing, man. We just sue cash. You ran over sewer caps, all of that. Yeah.
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Co-host
When owners are making billions of dollars. Get me off this baseball.
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Rory
Let's go back to college.
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Host
I can do. We are worth millions of dollars.
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Rory
Yeah. Protect those needs.
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Host
We were younger.
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Rory
Yeah.
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Host
We were trying to, you know, scrap up some money. So we go to the corner store and get, you know, it was a juice box of pickles.
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Rory
Let's go back to college a little bit. How do you feel about. I have my reservations about the whole transfer portal and, you know, the nil thing. I do love that athletes are being paid. I think they should, because, you know, you generate so much money for schools and universities and things like that. The transfer portal, though, Right? How do you, how does Donovan McNabb, how do you view the whole transfer portal thing?
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Host
You know what, I'm a fan, but not a fan. And remember, I get kids that are now in high school now getting recruited. And so I have a son that plays wide receiver here in Phoenix. And he's recruited, he's got 17, 18 offers right now. But my worry as a dad and former player is are you recruiting these athletes out of high school to develop these kids or is it you're expecting them to come in ready and if they're not ready now, are you going in the transfer portal to pretty much recruit over them to get someone that has already been in the program, understands the academic aspect of it and the studying and being able to play football, going through the regimen and then also are you bringing him in for the next two to three years where now that kind of pushes the development back from my son going in and what does that mean? Now we have to enter the transfer portal and now kids will start going around where it's modern day free agency.
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Rory
Right?
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Host
And with the nil stuff, now you bring in a kid who may not be as talented as your son or my son that's coming in young and you already offered him and he signed now for a million dollars. So now he has to play, right? He has to play because you're giving him a million dollars and he's probably got some exotic car deal and he's driving around on campus and this kid is standing next to my son on the side, but he's probably the first one to go in because he's already been in college. You already given him a million dollars, whatever it may be, right. I worry about where the landscape of the playing field is because if you look at across the collegiate level right now, majority of the schools that are offering these big contracts, big deals to these kids out of the transfer portal, these are the teams that are still scratching the surface of trying to get up to the top where the Ohio states are, where, you know what I'm saying, where all these teams are that are consistently at that level. And so now you're just throwing money away to try to compete at that level, but find yourself still at that, that median. And so I love the fact that these kids are getting rewarded for their potential talent or maybe stuff that they've already accomplished, but they're going to have to put a cap on this at some point.
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Co-host
I hear that. I mean, speaking of athletes getting their, their just due, I feel like at your peak, the jersey era was also at its peak.
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Host
And I think that's where we would have made our money. We would have made our money off of the jerseys, T shirts, hats. You know, it wouldn't have been so much of where these kids are now. We would have had sponsorships like grocery stores and, you know.
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Co-host
Yeah.
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Host
Little stuff like mom and pop shops. These dudes, they. They making $500,000 to. To go smile in front of a candy store. You know what I'm saying?
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Rory
Right.
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Co-host
I mean, but even in the pros, I feel like, of course, NFL jerseys are always going to sell no matter what. But the early 2000s and mid 2000s, that whole jersey culture really, really hit. And I felt you could not escape a Donovan McNabb jersey in the mid-2000s.
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Rory
No.
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Co-host
Was that a big part of your contracts at that time?
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Host
Contracts for us?
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Co-host
Yes. Of you getting a piece of your jersey. That's being so.
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Host
I. I think I was in the era where we didn't receive any money in the nil. Because, remember the Charles o'. Bannon.
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Co-host
I'm saying, when you were the Eagles.
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Host
Not.
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Co-host
Not. Not with Syracuse.
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Host
Yeah. You get your royalties from the NFL, but it wasn't. It wasn't to the point. The piece of. The percentage in which we receive is not to where it's at now.
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Co-host
Yeah.
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Rory
Okay.
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Host
Like, I remember getting my royalties for the men in their apparel, but also got royalties from the females in the jersey sales that I was able to receive from that. From the females wearing my jerseys at that particular point. They made the pink and white jerseys for the ladies. Yeah, they also had the regular jerseys for us, but my pink and white jerseys for the ladies were high as well. So that was a percentage that I received that really I appreciated at that particular point. But, you know, the game is changing as evolved. We're talking. We're talking almost what I've been out of the game now almost 13, 14 years. And so, you know, it's. It's. I love where it's evolving where it's going. I'm not one of these old guys that's like, I wish they need to make it what we made.
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Co-host
I feel like you maybe contributed to the NBA dress code because wasn't the last straw for Iverson. He had the. Your jersey on backwards walking into the arena. I think that was the last straw for the league.
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Host
We made one for. For Iverson because AI and I came out of high school pretty much together, so Kobe wore my jersey.
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Co-host
Okay.
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Host
Sideline. And Kobe was a big Eagles fan. And so, you know, for in the NBA at that particular point because of football. When we. When we played at home games or travel, we wore suits. Yeah. Remember, the game changed in the NBA where they had to dress. It was a dress code. If you, you know, you didn't play, you sit on the sideline. And then they bought that. And that's when AI and all them start wearing sweatsuits and all of that stuff. So.
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Rory
Yeah.
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Co-host
Do you have any great AI or Kobe stories?
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Host
Kobe and I went golfing in California. It was actually a weird time because that was when Michael Jackson passed away.
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Rory
Oh, wow.
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Host
We were all on the golf course together, me and him just talking. We kind of stayed in contact. And then my oldest daughter was. I believe she may have been one or two years older than Gigi. And so we. We both coach club girls basketball, and we got a chance to be in a couple of tournaments together and sit down and talk and just talk about the future of where women's basketball is and at that particular point. So unfortunately, what happened Too Cold will go down as one of the greatest of all time.
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Rory
Absolutely.
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Host
And. And just what his impact. And like I mentioned, his impact not only in the men's game, but also in the women's game as well, of what he transcended for a lot of these young girls that are now going into the collegiate level. Incoming out of it. So for him. And then me and AI, we. We had so much fun together. Anyway, in Philadelphia, what he was doing across the street over with the Sixers and then coming over, what we were doing at that particular time when they went to the world championship, playing against the Lakers, I think we went to the super bowl that year. The Phillies were winning at that particular time. So Philadelphia was a hotbed for.
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Rory
Y' all had. Y' all had Philly. Y' all had Philly on fire. Y' all had Philly on fire for sure.
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Host
Petey Crack.
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Rory
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Co-host
The early 2000s for Philly was.
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Rory
Yeah, Philly was fire dominant. So we just had the. We just had the NFL draft a couple months ago, and obviously the big news coming out was Shador. Shador Sanders dropping to the fifth round. Now, you know, I attribute you to a lot of the reason why the NFL quarterback position looks the way it looks today. Obviously, a lot of these guys grew up watching you and know who you are and saw a lot of your games. How did you feel. Feel watching that? Like, what was. What was your mindset and how did you feel about seeing Shador, you know, and. And just. And coach prom, having to Deal and go through that situation.
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Host
As. As now an evaluator. You know, ever since I left the game, you know, obviously being a part of the media and being. Being on that side of it and knowing from both sides of it, I. I felt like he would drop. You know, after Cam Ward, there were a few teams that needed quarterbacks. At that particular point, I didn't think they were great landing spots for him. And after, I think it might have been New Orleans, I think at 8 or 9, everybody was banking on Pittsburgh and I think 21. And everybody said, well, Mike Tomlin, don't take you. You know.
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Rory
Right.
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Host
Mike is a guy that's always going to reach out and try to help our community, you know, with the black quarterbacks. So you look at the roster in which he's had since he's been there. I mean, from the Charlie Batches, the Dennis Dixons, to Mike Vick to. You know what I'm saying? So the list goes on. And when he decided to go another direction and not draft and Shador, my antennas went up. Because, you know, in today's game, the thing that I want to see from these young kids is a little bit more professionalism.
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Rory
Okay.
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Host
And I say that because you look at, on the sideline of these games, these kids out here with about 150, $200,000 worth of gold on their neck or, you know, chains. And I'm like, first of all, it all starts with the coaching staff of not allowing that, let's get polo shirts and look presentable. And so now when you go through the draft of what's going on, what's been said and all of this, of not being prepared for these meetings or whatever it may be. I know in the recent years, I want to say the last seven to ten years or so, many good, maybe deeper, what these teams do is they send you a DVD of the plays, install plays that they want you to look at and go over. So now when they come in, you have to now be able to get on the board and explain that. And from what I understand, you know, they weren't able. He wasn't able to do that. And then they kind of kept talking about the headphones and, you know, he kept talking about himself, legendary and blah, blah, blah, you know, all of this, which I don't know for sure. Yeah. Because I was in the room or whatever it may be.
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Rory
Right.
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Host
But I just want these young guys to understand the business aspect of things, of how to look presentable, present yourself in the right way when you're sitting and talking to these things because it's a job interview. At the end of the day it's a job interview. You know, they want to know can you be a CEO of their company with 10 to 20 to 30 million dollars on the table and can you handle that? You know what I mean? Still be focused on the task at hand. So I didn't think he would draft, he would drop to the fifth round. That's a real big drop. Normally it would probably happen in the third round, mid second. But the funny thing for me is when Mel Kuiper was up on stage and he's harping, you know, some what they're doing, they don't know how to evaluate quarterbacks when just last year he, or two years ago he was pushing for Will Levis to be in that same position.
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Rory
Yeah.
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Host
And it didn't work out for Will.
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Co-host
Mel is, you know, Mel not always the best judge of talent when it comes to quarterbacks. Especially during the draft.
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Host
I wouldn't be able to pick up or learn a west coast office for.
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Co-host
Like three, four years and then fucking defined one. Yeah. On, on your way to your first EA Sports meeting, did you have in the back of your mind, maybe the Madden curse is real?
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Host
You know what? I'm not a big guy to believe in curses. I'm not even that I got hurt in years. I don't, I don't believe in that now. People say well you, you know, well me and Mike Vick and I think Ray got hurt or whatever, you know. But things have changed over the recent years. For guys that have been on, on the COVID Madden expectations are higher after you're on on the COVID People were expecting great things and, or whatever. If you have a, a down year compared to the previous year, then, then everyone looks at it in that particular way. But I'm not a big believer in the curses.
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Co-host
What's, what's the process like with that outside of you just being on the COVID Like were you heavily involved when they put the green suit on you and have to get your mannerisms and everything? What's the process of, of making the mag?
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Host
I'm trying to remember. I know I went to San Diego and did some of that stuff where the bulbs and stuff or you know, I did some of that stuff. But you got to remember too at that time there were no, there was no 4. Was it 4K or whatever.
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Rory
Right.
- [27:35]
Host
You know, we talking just about.
- [27:38]
Rory
We just saw your number. We just saw, saw your number. That's it.
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Host
You got closed caption like, yeah, you got like four cameras now. You got cameras everywhere. Yeah, it was. It was an exciting time for me because we were all playing Madden at that time. While we're playing.
- [27:57]
Rory
Right.
- [27:58]
Host
There was no fantasy football. There was none of this other stuff. It was, hey, man, you get to one of your boys, house, man, you grab a drink, everybody's sitting there, order some pizza. Hey, man, I'm up first. Like, you playing mad all night. Like now it's like on the computer. It's Internet. It's all this other stuff that's going on. And. And so, man, it was a great honor for me.
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Co-host
I have to ask in the locker room, when the new Madden game drops, is anyone. Is anyone upset about their rating?
- [28:28]
Host
I was. I was at that point. You got to remember, at that point, we. We were just playing. Yeah, yeah, I was, because I. I think I did an event, and it was me and Tony Gonzalez, and they were talking to Tony about his speed, his catches.
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Co-host
Yeah.
- [28:46]
Host
And so Tony's. I think at that point, Tony might have had a 92 speed or something to that effect. And I had like an 86 or something. Yeah. I was like, wait a minute.
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Co-host
Like, we can go outside and race right now.
- [29:00]
Host
You know what I'm saying? I'm like, yo, we can line up. Like, I know y' all think he faster than me, but, you know, it was like he was talking about it, and that was all my mindset. Like, the speed, like, I'm faster than. Than him.
- [29:12]
Rory
Right.
- [29:12]
Host
But it was just. It's still to that point. At that time, man, it was just an honor to be on the COVID because here's a kid out of Chicago who. We got the Chicago Sunsty Suntime newspaper. You know, WGN tv. You know, we got. We got. That's our social media. That's if you make it in the paper in Chicago, that mean you did something.
- [29:35]
Rory
Right?
- [29:35]
Host
And so going through. Going to Syracuse, when we got the Syracuse, you know, newspaper, that's a school paper, and then obviously in Syracuse, that was a big thing. Now we're talking about on a cover of a video game that I know everybody in America is playing.
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Co-host
Yeah.
- [29:50]
Host
Like, that was a real big honor for me, and I was on the COVID of Backyard football. Yeah. Come on.
- [29:58]
Co-host
I totally forgot about backyard football.
- [29:59]
Rory
I forgot about that one.
- [30:01]
Host
Come on.
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Co-host
I will say I. I share with you the same. Tony Gonzalez is a legend, but 92 speed is crazy for Tony Gonzalez. Yeah, I was like, what was Marshall Falk like?
- [30:17]
Host
Seriously, like, what I'm saying. So we. I mean, the whole 99 ratings and all that stuff. That's cute now, but, yeah, we weren't getting all that back in the day.
- [30:26]
Rory
So let's talk about the. The Super Bowl. So what happened? What's the story about Donovan McNabb throwing up?
- [30:35]
Host
It's false.
- [30:37]
Rory
Didn't happen.
- [30:37]
Co-host
No. Willie beaming.
- [30:39]
Rory
Okay.
- [30:40]
Host
It's false. It didn't happen. There's no video of it. I can tell you straight off top, it wasn't. It didn't happen. Did I get hit in the mouth? Yeah.
- [30:48]
Rory
Okay.
- [30:49]
Host
I got hit in the mouth like the third play of the game from Teddy Brusky, like right up on the chin.
- [30:54]
Rory
It would be Teddy Brusky.
- [30:55]
Host
Yeah.
- [30:56]
Co-host
Great media guy now, too.
- [30:57]
Host
Yeah. I mean, but, you know, again, it. It was interesting because it was. We lost the game and I think there were a comment by one of my office alignment or somebody said, like, I was tired or whatever. It may have been, hell yeah, I'm tired. We playing the subo. But I'm like, okay. And then it went to, you know, throwing up or whatever, and I was like, what are y' all talking about? So this has been now 20 plus years and everybody's still talking about there's no video of me throwing up. Like, it didn't happen.
- [31:28]
Co-host
If social media existed at that time.
- [31:31]
Host
Do you think would have ended. You would. It would have ended right after that because you have no footage or no evidence in it.
- [31:38]
Co-host
Would you have cleared it up though, like, say, a Twitter or Instagram?
- [31:42]
Host
No existed. Because the thing with me is I'm not going to give any more legs or energy or gas to something that doesn't make sense. Okay? So I never talk about anything unless it's presented to me. And then I gave the same answers. Like, for 20 years I've been given the same answer.
- [32:00]
Rory
Right?
- [32:00]
Host
But people, it's still a question people keep bringing up.
- [32:04]
Co-host
And I mean, even though it was back when there wasn't like cell phone cameras, it was the fucking Super Bowl. Somebody would have that footage.
- [32:10]
Rory
Cameras everywhere. Cameras everywhere.
- [32:13]
Co-host
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- [32:21]
Rory
Nice.
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Co-host
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Rory
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Co-host
So what happened to Chappaquiddick?
- [34:29]
Host
Well, it really depends on who you talk to.
- [34:31]
Bob Crawford
There are many versions of what happened in 1969 when a young Ted Kennedy drove a car into a pond and.
- [34:37]
Host
Left a woman behind to drown. There's a famous headline, I think in the New York Daily News. It's Teddy Escapes Blonde Drowns. And in a strange way, right, that.
- [34:48]
Freddie Mitchell
Sort of tells you the story really.
- [34:50]
Host
Became about Ted's political future, Ted's political hopes. Will TED Become President?
- [34:54]
Bob Crawford
Chappaquiddick is a story of a tragic death and how the Kennedy machine took control.
- [34:59]
Freddie Mitchell
And he's not the only Kennedy to survive a scandal.
- [35:02]
Bob Crawford
The Kennedys have lived through disgrace, affairs, violence, you name it. So is there a curse? Every week we go behind the headlines and beyond the drama of America's royal family.
- [35:12]
Freddie Mitchell
Listen to United States of Kennedy on.
- [35:14]
Host
The iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.
- [35:23]
Bob Crawford
American history is full of wise people. Walt Whitman said something like 99.99% of.
- [35:30]
Host
War is diarrhea and 1% is gory. Those founding fathers were gossipy AF, and they love to cut each other down.
- [35:40]
Bob Crawford
I'm Bob Crawford, host of American History Hotline, the show where you send us your questions about American history, and I find the answers, including the nuggets of wisdom our history has to offer. Hamilton pauses, and then he says, the greatest man that ever lived was Julius Caesar. And Jefferson writes in his diary, this proves that Hamilton is for a dictator based on corruption. My favorite line was what Neil Armstrong said. It would have been harder to fake it than to do it. Listen to American History Hotline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [36:26]
Rory
So with the quarterback position now in NFL, who is. Who is some of your guys that you look at that you can't, like, you have to watch their game. Like, I gotta watch. I love watching him play. He approaches the game the right way. Who are some of those guys for you?
- [36:43]
Host
Well, starts with Patrick, because I have that relationship with Patrick, obviously being coached by Andy Reid.
- [36:52]
Rory
Right.
- [36:52]
Host
And I've talked to Patrick on many occasions. Almost every Super Bowl. Every super bowl that I talk to the team they won.
- [37:01]
Rory
Oh, wow.
- [37:02]
Host
And the team. And the. The time I didn't, we won, so. So he worked.
- [37:11]
Co-host
Where's your alliance?
- [37:12]
Host
It worked out well in New Orleans. Yeah. But Andy's my guy, so I. I love watching Patrick. I love watching Lamar, Josh Allen. I love watching, you know, Joe Burrow and the weapons that he has. I love. I love watching Tua because Tua plays the game a different way. And I would love for him to be healthier if he was to be able to finish out full seasons, because I think Tua is one of those guys that's truly accurate. He throws with anticipation, doesn't have the strongest of arms, and he has a little bit of dog in him, which I would love for him to protect himself a little bit more. But sometimes you just can't. You can't pull back that kind of energy when you already have it. And then also Baker Mayfield brings. He brings different type of attitude to the game where he has a linebacker mentality, you know, quarterback position. And so I just love watching these particular guys, like, and they all present something different. And so obviously, I add Jalen hurts in there because that's my guy.
- [38:16]
Rory
I was just going to say, if you don't say Jalen, we gotta ask why.
- [38:20]
Host
Well, no, I mean, I've been. Jayla's like a little brother to me.
- [38:22]
Rory
Okay.
- [38:23]
Host
You know, I've. I've been mentoring and talking to Jalen since his name was called.
- [38:27]
Rory
Okay.
- [38:28]
Host
And I tried to explain to people when he was drafted that he was coming into the quarterback room as the grown man in the room. Here's a guy that had so many offensive coordinators since his freshman year at Alabama, all the way to Oklahoma, to Philadelphia. And so he's learned four different offenses in four or five years.
- [38:48]
Rory
Well, I didn't think about it like that.
- [38:50]
Host
Yeah. And so, you know, and he was coached by his dad in high school, and people don't realize he was the starting quarterback as a. In Alabama. As a senior in high school, he went up in the spring, played spring ball, competed to win that position to start his freshman year at Alabama, at Alabama University.
- [39:08]
Rory
That's crazy.
- [39:09]
Host
And to go to the national championship.
- [39:11]
Rory
Right?
- [39:12]
Co-host
That is wild.
- [39:13]
Host
So it says a lot about, like, him winning the super bowl, going to the super bowl two years, that's not a shock to me because he's played almost every year he's played in the national championship game. Almost. Except when he was in Oklahoma.
- [39:25]
Rory
The one thing that we do say about Jalen, he carries himself like an older son.
- [39:29]
Host
Professional.
- [39:29]
Rory
Yeah, he's a very. He's very professional.
- [39:31]
Host
Exactly.
- [39:32]
Rory
He's very professional.
- [39:33]
Host
That's my point. Like, these young kids in college need to take on the role of these guys like Jalen and be more professional. And I guarantee you this, they'll make more money.
- [39:44]
Co-host
Yeah.
- [39:45]
Host
You. You. You take the gold out your mouth. You. You stop walking around with $200,000 around your neck. You. You talking about talking to third person in. In. In the media. When you get an interview like these, these are different things that they need to understand. Yeah, the money you're getting to the university, that's good with the collective and all of that, but you can make so much other. More money. Like. Like, for instance, Caitlin Clark. Caitlin Clark, everybody want to talk about what she's making now, what she's doing. Caitlin Clark made like $3 million off the court from State Farm and all this other stuff that. Because that's. The professionalism is where the money is.
- [40:23]
Rory
Okay.
- [40:23]
Host
Outside of what you're doing.
- [40:27]
Co-host
Yeah, I agree on that. Back to the field. Who was the corner or safety that gave you the most trouble throughout your career?
- [40:38]
Host
You had Dion, who I Played against Dion when he was in Dallas, I think when he was in Washington, when he was in Baltimore. Ernest Williams with the Rams, you know, he was. He was solid hall of Famer, you know, safeties. I mean, Sean Taylor was a. Was an animal at safety. Troy Palawala was. Was a beast. Darren Sharper, even my own Brian Dawkins, you know, I seen him every day at practice and, you know, obviously I didn't have to compete with him come game time, because he changes into a whole different person come game time. But again, like edns, Michael Strahan, you know, T. Suggs, like all these guys that I played against that. That are hall of Famers and were dynamic, you know, at their position.
- [41:36]
Rory
What are your thoughts on the Tush push? And I'm trying to get rid of it.
- [41:40]
Host
I don't have a problem with it, because the funny thing is everybody has tried it. Not everybody has been as successful as the Philadelphia Eagles. Nobody's gotten hurt. Nobody's careers ended because of it. Now, is it hard? Yeah, I'm sure it's hard to stop. But Kansas City stopped Buffalo when they. They tried to do it three times.
- [41:59]
Rory
That's a fact.
- [42:00]
Host
You know what I'm saying? I think Baltimore had their reign with it a little bit, but then they just decided not to put Lamar in the harm's way and then just give it to Derrick Henry. The list goes on of other teams that have tried it. They just haven't been as successful as Philadelphia.
- [42:17]
Rory
Now, you dropped some names when we was talking about how y' all had Philly on fire when it came to rap. Beanie Siegel, Petey Crack. Who were some of the guys that you were listening to on your way to the stadium? Like, what was Donovan listening to in his car?
- [42:31]
Host
State property, you know, Eve. All my Philly. All my Philly representatives and rep. You know, I was an RB head. You know, I was an R and B head.
- [42:43]
Rory
Me, too. I love R and B, man.
- [42:44]
Host
And remember at that time, we had music, Soul Child, all the. All the R&B's from Philly, but me from Chicago and people, you know, may get a little. Little with it, but I was an R. Kelly fan. Yeah, R. Kelly in the booth. Yeah, R. Kelly in the booth.
- [43:00]
Rory
R. Kelly in the booth.
- [43:02]
Co-host
All of us were.
- [43:03]
Host
Yeah, R. Kelly in the booth, you know, from Avant. And I'll even throw my girl to brat in there because she from the crib as well.
- [43:11]
Rory
Absolutely.
- [43:12]
Host
You know, so I was. I was a mix, depending on how I was feeling at that particular time. It Was either R and B R and B remixes or was it just straight up hardcore rap?
- [43:22]
Rory
I like how Donovan went from State Property.
- [43:25]
Co-host
Yeah, he had to get his Jill Scott name first though.
- [43:27]
Rory
He went State Property, went all the way to rb. Like. No, that's a complete playlist.
- [43:31]
Co-host
What would be your top five Philly rappers?
- [43:36]
Host
Oh, that. That's hard.
- [43:39]
Rory
You gotta go beans. We. You gave us beans already.
- [43:42]
Host
Yeah, I mean, but that's hard because you know, you got beans. You got beans. Freeway. Yeah, always, always gotta put Eve in there because she changed the game for the. For the females in the rap game. Facts, you know that that's the next next two is kind of hard.
- [44:06]
Rory
But he said State Property, so that covers up.
- [44:08]
Host
Yeah, so that. That kind of throws. Yeah, yeah.
- [44:11]
Co-host
And you, you were going by the time Meek probably showed up, right?
- [44:14]
Host
Yeah, well, Meek. Meek, actually I was. I was toward the out. I was on my way out. But my brother worked with Meek. But Meek is definitely in that top five, obviously. Representing Philly. Yeah. You know, because when it comes to old school, like you know, Will Smith and all them, if you want to put Will Smith in it. Yeah, that group. But what Will Smith did, just kind of on both angles, you know, changed. Added a little bit more to the game.
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Co-host
Do. Do your kids like Uzi?
- [44:40]
Host
You know what they don't. I mean, I don't know what they listen to some of the stuff they listen to now, man. You know, because they. It's not so much of the lyrics. Like. Like when we used to look, Nas, Jay Z. Yeah. Like, you know, all back in at that time. Like we about lyrics. Common.
- [44:59]
Rory
Yeah.
- [44:59]
Host
Now it's just like you got to have a. A catchy hook and a beat.
- [45:02]
Rory
That's it.
- [45:03]
Host
Cuz some of the stuff, I don't think they open up their mouth to say, you know, it's beyond mumble raps now. Like back in the day you had the mumble rap.
- [45:11]
Rory
Now it's now it's just don't even.
- [45:14]
Co-host
Say did anyone try to rap in. In the locker room?
- [45:21]
Host
I mean, you had some freestyle sessions. Okay, that's a freestyle. But it wasn't prevalent like that. You know, it wasn't like we had one guy that can drop some bars. Like some people you try to push them to rap because you know it's going to be stupid. You know, it's one of them guys. Like you have somebody read, but you know he really can't read.
- [45:40]
Co-host
Like, yeah, so let's make him rap. Some rookie hazing for sure.
- [45:46]
Rory
So we Spoke to one of your former teammates, Lashawn McCoy. We had him on probably last week. Was that last week? Two weeks ago.
- [45:51]
Co-host
Two weeks ago, yeah.
- [45:53]
Rory
And talking to him, he wants to know why is it that? Or why do you feel like Philly fans don't embrace Donovan McNabb? Like, you're not the guy that really helped bring the Eagles back to a respectable organization.
- [46:12]
Host
I don't know. That's the one that I can't answer, to be honest with you. I mean, I did what I did, you know, I did a lot of stuff in the community, you know, I gratiated with. With Philadelphia. So at some point, they always kind of was, you know, he's not. He's not one of us, whatever the hell that means. But, you know, that was. It was.
- [46:31]
Rory
Saying that about somebody from Chicago is crazy.
- [46:33]
Host
Right. You know what I'm saying? He's not one of us. Like, oh, okay.
- [46:37]
Rory
Right, right.
- [46:38]
Host
You know what I mean? Right.
- [46:40]
Co-host
First of five NFC championships.
- [46:42]
Host
Yeah. I know how to carry myself like a wrong man. Like, you know what I mean?
- [46:45]
Rory
Right.
- [46:46]
Host
Whatever it may be. But you know what's funny? Like, you'll hear a small portion of percentage of people that say stuff like that.
- [46:54]
Rory
Yeah.
- [46:54]
Host
But the mass. Mass percentage of people know that I'm all about Philly, and they were very supportive of what I've been able to accomplish and do and what I was able to do in my. My decade of playing there.
- [47:06]
Rory
Absolutely.
- [47:07]
Host
The success that we've had and everything I was able to accomplish.
- [47:09]
Co-host
Yeah. I mean, Philly fans individually are good people, but when they get together, they're some of the worst animals I've ever come across in my entire life. Like, to the point that you're. You take them to five NFC championships and they honor a bartender that made special teams and make a movie about it. Like, Philly fans are the weirdest human beings I've ever fucking met.
- [47:29]
Host
But you know what? You know what it is? It's. It's. At that time, it wasn't social media, it was talk radio. Yeah. And so, you know, people want to, you know, expose or kind of let out bad energy of how they feel about a game, how they feel about. And then I became a lightning rod. My name became a lightning rod for people to, you know, say their. Express their feelings about how I played the game or how whatever it may have been or we won, it wasn't because of me, whatever it may have been. And it became about talk radio. And so anytime I speak, like, even probably after this whole show we doing. And y' all put excerpts out about, you know, about some of the questions and some of my answers. I'm sure a whole lot of people will probably come negative about. You know, I can't stand when these talks or no one cares, you know.
- [48:20]
Co-host
Whatever it may be while they're watching it.
- [48:22]
Host
I always explain to people if you mention my name, that means you're thinking about.
- [48:27]
Rory
That's a fact.
- [48:28]
Host
So thank you, you know, I appreciate it.
- [48:31]
Rory
Who are some of your most underrated quarterbacks in the league right now? I know you said tua. You kind of feel like he deserves more love. Okay, who are some of your most underrated quarterbacks right now in the league?
- [48:46]
Host
I would say probably Russell Wilson.
- [48:50]
Rory
Oh, okay.
- [48:52]
Host
You know, I'll throw know Justin Herbert. Although people put Justin in that top five, which I don't think he's a top five quarterback. But he's underrated because this office that Harbaugh has incorporated is old school. It's run first play action, quick game, explosive plays. So his he's going to now start to explode. I believe in this offense. I think people like. What's my man name? He's out in Oakland now from Seattle. Gino. Gino Smith.
- [49:33]
Rory
Yeah.
- [49:34]
Host
Gino is. Since his opportunity, he's, he's flourished in, in, in the moment. He's played well. I think Brock Purdy of what he's been able to do so far being an Arizona kid too, show him some love and guys like that. I just look at guys like that that I think like two guys that I, I look at and I'm kind of watching to see what happens these next couple years for them is Trevor Lawrence and, and Justin Fields.
- [50:02]
Rory
Okay.
- [50:03]
Host
I hope the best for Justin because he's a good kid, comes from great family and he just needs an opportunity where he's in a great system where they have great players around him to be able to just play his game. Yeah.
- [50:17]
Co-host
Playing against Belichick. Do you have any predictions for this upcoming season with North Carolina?
- [50:24]
Host
I think they'll be, I think they'll be competitive. I think there'll be probably a little bit of mid midway in the pack in the ACC because he doesn't have his full recruits in. I think he's been recruiting heavily of the 27 class and a little bit of the 26 class and so the 25 class. He hasn't been able to kind of jump on that because he came in late. He got a few guys and I think the transfer portal for a school like Carolina would be Big.
- [50:53]
Co-host
Yeah.
- [50:54]
Host
Because who doesn't want to wear the Jordan brand?
- [50:56]
Rory
Right.
- [50:56]
Host
Who doesn't want to wear the baby blue? I always dreamed of playing in North Carolina, and so I think for. For Belichick, I think two years from now, two, three years from now, they'll be. They'll be up in the likes with Clemson. Okay. Okay. State. And, you know, in that where you start talking a little bit about North Carolina football.
- [51:17]
Rory
Now, before we let you go, Donovan, I gotta bring this up. So your former teammate Freddie Mitchell put together an album, and there's. There's this. This. This. There's a. There's. There's remnants. I'm hearing things that there may be a Donovan McNabb verse. You may have recorded a verse for an album. Is that true? Did you lay some bars down?
- [51:39]
Host
You talking about me on. On Freddy's album?
- [51:41]
Rory
Yeah.
- [51:42]
Host
Absolutely not.
- [51:45]
Rory
I was gonna try to get you to spin some bars real quick.
- [51:55]
Host
If Freddie's doing that, that's gonna be interesting and hilarious. Would I be on. Would I be on his. No, no, absolutely not. I'm. You know, you. You know, as the fellas get together, we have fun. Yeah. Red cups out.
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Rory
Yeah.
- [52:11]
Host
You know, we start spitting some stupid bars. That don't make sense, but we think it's hot.
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Rory
Yeah.
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Host
You know, you can't take it nowhere else.
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Rory
Yeah. Just stays here. It stays here.
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Co-host
He recorded it, though.
- [52:23]
Host
So if he did record this in. In the booth and. And then came out like. Like he's dline.
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Rory
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Host
Hot fire.
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Rory
Speak.
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Co-host
Speaking of bars, we put together a list of rappers that have name dropped you in their verses, and we wanted to see if you could guess which rapper it was. We'll start with the first one. Excuse me, but cuse me. Gotta see the entire excuse.
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Rory
You got it.
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Co-host
Excuse me. What happened? I'm flyer than Robin, I'm flyer than an eagle. Yeah. Donovan McNabbin. Do you know what rapper that is?
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Host
These were Philly rappers.
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Co-host
Nah, just across the board. Rappers in general?
- [53:07]
Host
No. Who's that?
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Co-host
Oh, the barbs are gonna kill you. That's Nicki Minaj.
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Rory
Nicki Minaj, is it?
- [53:13]
Host
Yeah. What. What. What song was that?
- [53:17]
Co-host
Shaking it for daddy? Pause.
- [53:19]
Host
Whoa.
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Co-host
I'm just. I answered your question. Yo, Donovan, you asked me a question, I answered it.
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Rory
Donovan turned around. He made sure wifey wasn't walking in the room like, wait, what?
- [53:29]
Host
Okay. I definitely had to look that up.
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Co-host
It's Robin Thicke and Nicki Minaj.
- [53:34]
Host
Oh, okay.
- [53:35]
Co-host
Well, you get some R B there.
- [53:37]
Host
Robin was popping Back. Okay. I don't know if I'm gonna type in Taking it for Daddy. Yeah.
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Rory
You don't feel right typing that in.
- [53:48]
Host
Yeah, I don't know what may pop up.
- [53:52]
Co-host
It would definitely. With your algorithms, for sure.
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Rory
All right, another one. When we met, you was a V, like Madonna. Now you on the field running plays like Donovan McNabb before you get in the cab.
- [54:05]
Host
Oh, yay, Kanye. Talk about our love from the crib that, you know.
- [54:10]
Rory
Absolutely, absolutely.
- [54:12]
Host
I don't know what's happening now, but.
- [54:15]
Rory
Nobody was at the crib at one point.
- [54:17]
Co-host
Yeah, all you take the next one just based off the lyrical content in there.
- [54:21]
Rory
All right, last one.
- [54:24]
Co-host
There's some words that I probably just.
- [54:26]
Host
Yeah.
- [54:29]
Rory
You. Yeah, I got you and I rock my rag like it's 88 and still rocking shaft. So put the hundreds in the bag or I'mma put the eagle to your helmet and the fifth to your chest like Donovan McNabb.
- [54:44]
Host
Was that a me? Was that me?
- [54:48]
Rory
No, that's. That's the game.
- [54:50]
Host
The. Whoa.
- [54:51]
Rory
That's from west coast honey Balls and running.
- [54:55]
Host
Oh, okay. Yeah, okay. Oh, I'll definitely have to listen to that one.
- [55:00]
Rory
Yeah, no, you could. You could type that in that one.
- [55:05]
Co-host
I mean, we.
- [55:05]
Host
We have this one here, like a remix of NWA or something.
- [55:09]
Co-host
It was on the 100 bar and running, which was like, original disc to G Unit. I think it was probably on the nwab.
- [55:14]
Host
Yeah, yeah. Okay.
- [55:17]
Co-host
I mean, this. This has his name in it, but one of my favorite Beanie Seagull songs, period. You know Seagull. Play with them. Eagles Mall. You can put that word there.
- [55:25]
Rory
Don't get tagged.
- [55:26]
Co-host
Throw bullets out them dirty birds like McNabb trying to go back and forth.
- [55:33]
Rory
We gave you a little back and forth on that last. My partner can't say that one. Donald. He can't say that one.
- [55:38]
Host
I can dig it.
- [55:38]
Rory
Yeah.
- [55:40]
Host
Yeah.
- [55:41]
Rory
Donovan, we appreciate you, man. Congratulations. What's this, 20 years on the COVID of Madden.
- [55:46]
Host
Yes, sir.
- [55:47]
Rory
We appreciate you. A legend in every sense of the word. Thank you for everything you did for the game. Thank you for the way you paid for the. For our black quarterbacks that are playing today. We appreciate you. A legend forever. Thank you for taking time to kick it with us today, bro.
- [56:00]
Host
I appreciate you guys having me, man. We gotta swag out that couch, though. You know, we got. We got. We gotta upgrade that couch.
- [56:06]
Rory
Yeah, no, we're gonna. We're gonna listen.
- [56:07]
Co-host
We work the deep couch, too.
- [56:09]
Host
Yeah.
- [56:09]
Co-host
Like this.
- [56:10]
Rory
It's all right. For. What we doing Right now we ain't at the house. We've never had listen type of couch in the house. But it's great for what we doing right now.
- [56:18]
Co-host
Not all of us pay the same taxes in Arizona. We don't get to keep our money like you.
- [56:24]
Rory
We in New York, bro. They killing us with these taxes. This the type of. This the type of money our taxes could afford right here. We appreciate you, bro. Thank you, man.
- [56:35]
Host
Appreciate that. No doubt. Love, no worrying now.
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So what happened at Chappaquiddick? Well, it really depends on who you talk to.
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Bob Crawford
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Host
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Bob Crawford
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Host
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Co-host
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Host
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Bob Crawford
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Host
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Host
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