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Host 1
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Host 1
The volume.
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Sean Merriman
New Warrior Now.
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Host 3
All right, Rory. We are back with another episode of Rory and Maul. Don't know Ball because we absolutely do not know. Or we know a little bit about. But we know. We know. We know what we need to know. But today we are joined by somebody that's gonna give us more of an insight.
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Host 1
Yes.
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Host 3
On ball.
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Host 1
We are the violent side of it.
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Host 3
Yeah, yeah. The violence side. The physics, the physicality.
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Host 1
Yes.
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Host 3
Of the game. Today we are joined by a legend. Legend from the east coast University of Maryland legend. With a 12th pick in the 2005 NFL Draft room, the San Diego charges selected an absolute. Let's just call him a tank monster. Make some noise for the legendary Sean Merriman.
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Host 1
Hey, and happy birthday as well. How we celebrating Taurus gang?
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Sean Merriman
I'm about to be 41, dog. You know them days have changed a little bit. I'm looking at doing a three day juice cleanse or something.
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Host 3
Yeah, so that's my type of. See, that's my type of. That's what I be on.
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Host 1
Yeah, yeah, yeah. My birthday was two weeks ago and I went to Detroit for work.
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Sean Merriman
You know when you, when you get like 40 and over, man, like I think other people make more about your birthdays than you do. Yeah. You know, like what you doing for your birthday? I'm like that. Oh, next week. Oh, I forgot.
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Host 3
You stop counting after a while, man. It just creeps. The next thing you know, it just creeps up on you.
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Host 1
Yeah, I turned 35 and when my family was asking me, all I was thinking was like, this is something I'm going to have to pay for.
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Host 3
Right.
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Host 1
So why would I sell? You want me to go do something that I'm going to pay for? I bet. Cool. I think I'll do nothing for my birthday then and save some money.
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Host 3
Sean, how you feeling though, man? What's going on with you?
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Sean Merriman
Not much, man. You know, we, you know, we got a big fight coming up, you know, for my MMA league, Lights Out Extreme Fighting. We got a big fight in San Diego actually back in my stomach Grounds at Casino Palmer, June 14, man. So just getting ready for that and then, you know, making some announcements too. With Lights Out Sports tv, my network, we added some new content. Getting ready for this big tailgate show this year. This through the NFL. The NFL parking lots called the ultimate fan zone, which got 20. We're like live stream 20 teams tailgates.
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Host 3
Okay.
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Sean Merriman
With game day hospitality. One of the best tailgate companies in the country, man. So it's gonna be, it's gonna be kind of crazy because we got three former players, every team is host. So like when you talk about personalities and he's talking about like guys just being comical and, and like talking football and interacting with the fans like this, the, this is the biggest thing in me that just happened really in a pre game of sports. So just getting ready for that, Just grinding, just been working.
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Host 1
Oh, that's. I mean that's the birthday party right there. You said 40 tailgates or something?
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Sean Merriman
Yeah, we're doing 20. 20 locations, 20 markets. So basically 20 games felgates at the same time. So we'll be like simulcast and all of them and it's going to be super dope. Like no one's ever done anything like this. So you know, we'll be the first to do it on Whiteside Sports tv.
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Host 1
I love that.
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Host 3
All right, Sean. So. So Rory and I, man, we got the. We started this show, man, because, you know, sometimes we feel like we know ball and, you know, we come to realize that maybe we don't know, maybe we just couch spectators and we feel like we could have made that catch or made that block. It's easy to say that, but somebody like yourself that played the game at such a high level, we're here to kind of dig into the nuances and break some of the stereotypes of people that sit home and say, oh, I could have done that. Exactly.
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Host 1
Skip Bayless, is what you're saying.
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Host 3
Well, yeah, Skip. We're not trying to be Skip Bayless, but let's start at the beginning. Sean, growing up in Maryland, you played basketball and football. What was the. Like, why did you go towards football? Why did football pull you more than basketball? Why did you stop playing basketball?
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Sean Merriman
You know, seeing Kevin Durant and Michael Beasley and those guys, like, you know, 11, 12 years old, you're like, yeah, that football probably gonna be for me. Yeah, you know, like, they, they was, they were so far ahead. And we all came, we all from the same area in Prince George's County, Melon, you know, so getting to see.
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Host 3
Them, what's in the water out there, it's a lot of talent out of, out of pg.
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Sean Merriman
Honestly, man, I'm surprised that, like, no one's done a big enough like, story on this. How much talent, not even just in basketball and football, too, and Vernon Davis and like, you know, Navarro, Brawman, like, it's, it's crazy how many, how much talent has come out of this, come out of the area. And, you know, I was just one of, you know, I was just one of, man. So I, I, you know what, you know what got me into football? I was just too aggressive for basketball. And in my. When I was 11 years old, my basketball coach into the season said, you know what? I got a sport that I think this, this will work well for you in. Okay, so that's, that's how I got introduced to the football field.
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Host 1
So I'm, I'm assuming you were one of those that fouled out maybe in the second quarter.
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Sean Merriman
No, it was, it was middle of third most. You know, I made it past halftime. But you, you know, it's funny, you talk to any, you talk to any football player, the first thing like, oh, yeah, you nice to hoop in high school and college or whatever. I said, I was like Ben Wallace. You get what I'm saying? Like, rebound and defense, a lot of put backs and free throws. You know, but again, you need. You need guys on the court like that. Yeah, that's. That's what it is.
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Host 1
Did football come naturally to you when you transition?
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Sean Merriman
It was crazy because I never watched, really watch football, and I didn't even know what to do. And so my coach was like, when he put me out, they said, look, whoever got that football in their hands, go hit them. And I said, what else? They said, no, that's it. I could do that. So that's what I did, man. First day of practice when I was a kid, the running back came and caught like a little swing pass out of silence. And I came and whacked him, put him under, like, the water. Under the water coolers. You know, the water coolers side. The water coolers fell down. And it was a big scene. And the kid's mom, she was there. She came running on the field practice and was cursing me out, right? And so I go back to the huddle, looking at my coaches like I did something wrong. And my coaches whispered in my ear and they was like, hey, do that shit again. You know, it was like, that's what you do. So that's why I knew I was home.
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Host 3
And then the next day, seven agents were at the. Seven agents from different all over the country.
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Host 1
Yeah, how early was it obvious that you were different and that the league was probably in your future?
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Sean Merriman
For me, man, it was, you know, so when I talk about Kevin Durant and Beasley and all those guys, you could tell 11, 12 years old, normally like that, okay, these dudes gonna go to the NBA one day because they were. Everything that they were doing in the NBA, they were doing at 11, 12 years old. For me, it was like 13, 14. When I got into high school, that's when I kind of started to separate myself where. Where people like, okay, he's going to. He's going to. This dude going to go to a D1 college. So I went to Frederick Douglass High School in Upper Marlboro, Maryland. And at that point, everybody's like, okay, this is going to be the first kid out of the school to go Division 1. And so I did that. And then when I got to Maryland my freshman year, it was like, okay, this going to be the. This going to be our highest draft pick. So it kind of like one of those things, as soon as I stepped on every level, it was always those rumblings, those talks.
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Host 1
I mean, of course it's hometown, but why Maryland as far as college?
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Sean Merriman
I grew up 20 minutes from the school, and like, for me, we just talked about so much talent coming from that area. Well, like Durant, Katie went to Texas. So all the big name guys, all the big name kids, when you came out of high school, they left. And I was like, man, if we, if we kept all the talent here, like, what if KD and Beasley and all these guys went to Maryland?
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Host 3
Right?
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Sean Merriman
You know, and so we had like, myself, Vernon Davis, and like, I mean, like Navarro, Bowman. The list, I mean, the list is crazy, you know, Joe Hayden, you know, so we, we were, we were stacked up with so much talent, but everybody left. So I wanted to be like that, one of the first ones that came out as a, as a top prospect. I was the number one player coming out of the DMV area, DC, MD, VA area. And so when I went to Maryland, it was like, man, this dude had offers from Alabama, from usc, from Penn State. And I know for me, I was like, I'm staying home. I want to be the first.
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Host 1
And I know there's some age gap, but are you in contact with KD at this point? Vernon Davis, Beasley, are you guys. Just because you guys are talking all the time.
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Sean Merriman
Yeah, talk all the time. And I probably talk to KD a couple times a year or we're running to each other at, you know, some event somewhere and kind of chop it up. But we're, we're, we're a tight knit group, man. Like all of us, like super tight as far as, you know, we see each other. I don't care if it's two years. Like, we run up to each other and we talk. Like we, you know, we talk on a normal basis, man. We just really tight. A tight knit group.
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Host 3
Sean, growing up, how much of football, like, when did it click for you that this is what you want to do and then how much, how much of your day revolved around the game of football?
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Sean Merriman
Well, I mean, back in PG County, Washington, D.C. area, man, in the, in the late 80s and 90s, it was a, it was bad. Like, it's not like how it looks now where, you know, you can go outside, run at night in certain parts in D.C. and jog. Like, it was nothing like that. Like you wasn't going out. And so I knew for me to have a real opportunity getting out of there, football was going to be a big part of it, like to go get education and go to Maryland or any school I wanted to go to. And so that's when I started to take it serious. But, you know, I had, you know, when I was younger because of my living circumstances. Like, I had anger issues. Like, I hated coming home to eviction notices. I hated coming home and didn't know if the house or gonna have heat or lights gonna be on. And so football was like my outlet. I get those two hours in practice a day or get those game times to go knock somebody head off. And it was legal.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Sean Merriman
I was like, man, I can go take my frustration out. And. And so I knew that that was a. Like an opportunity for me to get out of my circumstances. But I had. I had bigger goals too, man, just outside of. Outside of football. And I just knew that that was going to be the way that I was going to get there.
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Host 3
Now, what was the music scene like for you growing up in dmv? Obviously, we know some of the DMV legends and guys that came out, but, like, when Sean is in high school or, you know, working out, like, what was some of the music that you was listening to?
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Host 1
Are you Go Go or Baltimore club music?
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Sean Merriman
Go Go and Baltimore music, Both of them, you know, and so I listen to backyard junkyard, Rare Essence Eu, and I listen to a lot of K Swift out of Baltimore, a lot of Baltimore house music, but that was really it all the way through. And then I got into, like, my favorite, you know, rap group of all time, three six Mafia. And so I started listening, like, three six Mafia a lot. But, yeah, probably. Probably out of those. That's. That's what I was listening to in high school.
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Host 1
Pause. Are you able to still do the swing? That dance?
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Sean Merriman
I never. I've never been a dancer, but, you know, watch out for the big girls. Come on or something. I might, you know, I might move a little bit. Yeah.
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Host 1
I mean, do you hear even, like, I. I feel like Uzi and a lot of artists, I feel like, adopted a lot of the Baltimore club sound. Is that something that surprised you? Because it. It did take a while for Baltimore club to bubble into mainstream. I feel like now. You hear that on Drill Records.
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Sean Merriman
Yeah, no, a lot of it. Especially because of Wale. Like, when Wale came out, what got with Rick Ross and mainstream, you start hearing a lot of it. You start hearing Go Go and Beyonce's music.
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Host 1
Yep.
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Sean Merriman
You know, but Chuck Brown was. It was a huge influence on all of us, like, growing up and so just. Just being. Just being there and being around it, man. Like, the DMV area is its own planet. Like, it's his own country in his. In itself, you know, where you don't. You go from the dmv, you don't hear that anywhere else. The dress wise, you know, guys wearing drop socks and Tim's the lingo all here. Anywhere else outside of the DMV area. And then it was, it was so big that it started to trickle out where, you know, you, you go to Chicago, you go, you go start going to New York and you start hearing guys talk like they from.
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Host 1
From D.C. does PG county identify more with Baltimore or with D.C. because I've heard there's a big split.
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Sean Merriman
That's the million dollar question.
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Host 3
That's the split right there.
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Sean Merriman
That's a split. Because the truth is a lot of Baltimore cast and DC cast didn't like each other.
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Host 3
Yeah.
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Sean Merriman
You know, and so when I say Maryland, people automatically assumed that I was from Baltimore, but I was probably 35 or 40 minutes from Baltimore, but like 10 minutes from D.C. right. So I started actually saying I was D.C. because I didn't want to identify as from Baltimore because Baltimore had like this. I joke with mellow about this sometime and stuff because you had like a dirty, like a dirty field to Baltimore. You know, that's how the DC guys look at it then. So, so I always, I always used to say that, you know, I was from Washington D.C. because I was more closer to Washington D.C. than I was to Baltimore.
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Host 1
And then what is it? Richmond, Montgomery County? What's the other one on?
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Sean Merriman
Yeah, that's what, that's where Wale is from.
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Host 3
Yeah. Yeah.
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Host 1
And that's. You would say more identifies D.C. than it does Maryland or Baltimore in particular.
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Sean Merriman
Yeah, 100% like you. You would think Wale is from D.C. before he is from Baltimore.
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Host 1
Yeah, well, I mean he'll tell us that too.
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Host 3
Yeah.
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Host 1
But love Wale. It's funny, the Virginia part of the DMV conversation is always the strangest one to me because there is like Alexandria and right there. But you still have such a big state. Like I don't even think people. Do people from Virginia beach even claim the DMV or Norfolk is that way too far.
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Sean Merriman
Yeah, that's just way. Yeah, you way out there. But again, you know, it's so hard to really talk about him because you talk about like Fairfax. Alexander. Alexander, you can get to. From there to D.C. in 15 minutes.
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Host 3
Yeah, yeah.
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Sean Merriman
But you're in Virginia. And so I think when you start talking about like Richmond, Virginia, you start getting on the Oscars.
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Host 3
Yeah.
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Sean Merriman
Like, you know, Chris Brown is from Virginia, Michael Vick is from Virginia.
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Host 1
Iverson AI is from.
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Sean Merriman
From va. So it's again, man, it's, it's so crazy. When you get in that DMV area.
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Host 1
Did you ever play against T.C. williams High School?
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Sean Merriman
No, that was. I think that was dc.
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Host 1
What's the. Remember the Titans one? That's it, right? So I watched Remember the Titans my entire life and thought it was in like the Deep South. I found out that was five minutes outside of Washington, D.C. i thought they were in some farms that had you.
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Host 3
Thinking that that was like the Deep.
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Host 1
South the whole time. I did not realize Big Pooch was like, nah, dawg, that shit is like.
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Sean Merriman
Five minutes from D.C. so basically you thought sunshine was from Alabama.
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Host 3
Exactly.
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Host 1
100%. I'm like, this is some country ass shit.
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Host 3
Not country.
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Host 1
They was five minutes away from Southeast.
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Host 3
Exactly. All right, Sean, so you get drafted the 12th pick, 2005, you're going to San Diego playing for the Chargers. What is the first thought on your mind?
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Sean Merriman
Man, that I was. So I took my visits to the then Redskins, you know, now Washington Commanders. Yeah, I went to like Dallas Cowboys, the Lions, and I went to. To the Chargers. I've never been out to the west coast before. And so, you know, when I. Yeah, I wanted to kind of stay home again, like, if I got a chance to play for the Ben Redskins, I'm like, oh, man, I go to college here, go there, and I'm the ninth pick overall. Like now you super hometown. Hometown kid, right. Man, I went, I took my visit to San Diego. I flew over that water for the first time. Trees. I said, man, God ain't gonna bless me this way. I said, I said, only wait, man, I gotta do some more charity. Gotta go to church a little bit more. I'm getting drafted out of here. Yeah, and when I got drafted, man, it was like the best. Because I always, I would say this to everybody, man, like, I love home. I still represent. I still got a 301 number. But you got to go, you got to see other things. You got to get away a little bit to experience and see other things. And when I went to San Diego, man, it was like a dream come true because for one, they had a good team. I was coming into a good team. I think they were 12 and 4 that year before, before I got there. And now you're in the west coast and the best place, in my, in my opinion, San Diego, the best place to live in the country.
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Host 1
I've heard that before.
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Host 3
San Diego is beautiful.
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Sean Merriman
Yeah, man, I went there, I was like, man, this is unbelievable. You get a chance to be a high draft pick, 12th overall. Normally you go into Cleveland, you're going to Green Bay, you know, you're going somewhere that's not, you know, really a nice city that people want to get drafted to. Like, you know, I like Cleveland, but, you know, it's not San Diego.
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Host 3
It's not San Diego. No.
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Host 1
Maul talks a lot on this show about athletes having to compete with rappers in the club or, you know, when they get drafted to a city, they gotta deal with the drug dealers. What was it like competing with Navy SEALs for women in San Diego? Cause that's a very unique experience to San Diego. The rest of these athletes had to deal with rappers in LA or New York or whatever. You had to deal with Navy SEALs?
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Host 3
Yeah, I'm taking Sean. I'm taking Sean. Kicking a rapper's ass, any other NFL player's ass. I just don't know if The SEAL Team 6 is in the club. If I'm taking Sean Merriman over the SEAL team.
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Sean Merriman
Yeah, they not getting the sections and I'm in.
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Host 1
Our tax dollars don't pay them enough. But I mean, that is like a culture.
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Sean Merriman
I love our military, but they ain't coming with a bottle minimum, you know, So I think now. Which was crazy because San Diego didn't have really nobody else. They didn't have a basketball team there. They didn't have a hockey team. You know, like you said, it wasn't just the rappers you got. There was no other sports teams. Really. Yeah, you know, the Padres kind of came around, but we were it. And so we were a basketball team. We. We were like the highlight of. Of the entire city. And so. And then two, we were winning.
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Host 3
Yeah.
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Sean Merriman
So on top of that, like, we wasn't scrubs, we weren't bums. And we were out there winning games. And so now it's. You're at the top of the world at that point.
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Host 3
Who's the greatest. Who is the greatest athlete you've ever seen.
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Sean Merriman
That I played against or.
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Host 3
Or like just in general or actually both. That you played against and that you just seen.
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Sean Merriman
Honestly, probably Vernon Davis that I played with. As far as like just a freakish athlete may do 250, ran a 4:3. You just don't even see nothing like that. And crazy strong and athletic and explosive. And I played with Antonio Kardi, he was. He was another one. But man, you get up there to the NFL, man, you start seeing some freakish, like just some freakish players. But that's. I saw Lyman is 350 pounds that can windmill off the vertical. Like you just. You said some silly at that point.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Sean Merriman
So you see. Yeah. Tons everywhere.
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Host 1
I mean, you had LT at that time, too.
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Sean Merriman
What.
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Host 1
What was that era like? Even with Philip Rivers. Lt was Antonio Gates.
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Sean Merriman
Yeah.
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Host 1
All right, sensitive question. Why did that team not win the Super Bowl?
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Sean Merriman
See, now we gonna go there, huh?
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Host 1
Like you guys had a squad.
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Host 3
Yeah. On both sides.
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Sean Merriman
You know what, man? I don't really regret a whole lot about my career, but that's one of them because, you know, I still talk to a lot. A lot of. A lot of friends of mine are hall of Famers, and they got super bowl rings. And, you know, Marshall Fox, who I talked to, and Michael Irvin, Deion Sanders, and all these guys who I was around, they got. They got either jackets and rings or both. That thing sting, man, because we. We had that especially. We were really good between the 2005 and 2010. We were very good teams. That 2016, man, was, in my opinion, the best team of the decade.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Sean Merriman
And I know that the Patriots had their undefeated stuff in the Colts and, you know, but that team that we had, man, was so dominant. And you look back and we ask ourselves the question all the time. I was talking to LT Ladanian Thomason some months ago, and we got together and I was like. We bring it up like it just happened. Like how? Like how? Like, why not? Because we were so dominant and so many. Like, I played with potentially five hall of Famers on one team.
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Host 3
Absolutely.
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Host 1
Oh, yeah. You know, y' all are getting jackets.
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Sean Merriman
Yeah. When you look at it like that, it's like there's been. There should have been no reason. I think my. The main reason is that we were. We were young and we were so good that we always felt that we can get back there. And so when it was things on the line, like fourth quarters or big situations, I think that we. We didn't lock in enough in some of those things or penalties or just something dumb that we didn't really understand the moment because we were so good. We just. We felt invincible, man. I mean, dude, practices used to be harder than the games. Like seeing Antonio Gates every day and then lining up against whoever it is, it didn't even matter. And so seeing Lorenzo Neal at fullback, you got a clash with him, you ain't get no clash out of anybody else than that. Seeing lt, we. We were so stacked. But then one one year, we had Ladanian Thomas and start Michael Turner. Michael Turner backing him up. Who did. Who killed it out there with the Falcons when he left, we had Darren Spros as a third string running back. That's how. I mean, we were just ridiculously stacked.
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Host 3
Mm.
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Sean Merriman
No worry about.
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Host 1
To get you in a little bit of trouble. Only controversial question Hypothetically, had Eli stayed in San Diego instead, do you think it would have been different?
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Sean Merriman
No. No, because, look, I don't want to take shots, Eli, because he was a damn good quarterback and I think he's going to be in hall of fame at some point. But that defense that they had with Michael Irvin and, and like O.C. yuma, Yuri and Tuck. Justin Tuck.
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Host 3
Yeah.
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Sean Merriman
I mean, it was crazy. They, they had so many guys in that defense that also contributed. And you need a little bit of luck, man. Like that catch that my boy had off his health.
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Host 1
Like I'm gonna catch it.
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Host 3
Yeah.
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Sean Merriman
It just don't even happen. So I think that the, the cards fell in place with them also too. You know, who they had to play against at the time. You know, the, the division wasn't, wasn't always the greatest. I mean, Dallas, you know, Cowboys were good, but they just were dominant in that position.
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Host 1
Yeah, I hear that.
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Host 3
Now you went to San Diego, you wore number 56. Obviously the legendary Rest in Peace Junior Seau wore number 55. How much of an impact did he have on a young Sean Maryman coming into San Diego? What were the conversations like with Junior Seau?
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Sean Merriman
Man, so it's. You always watched him as a player, right? You see him running sideline and sideline jumping over. He just. He played at a high level, like, for four quarters. You don't even see anything like that. Just next level. I didn't know how big Junior was until I got to San Diego. Like, he was San Diego. You step in there and you mentioned Junior Seow. You're like. You're talking about president level, where he has. He's just. He captivated that city. And, you know, he had his restaurant, he had charity events, and just. He was the most loved person between him. Him and Tony Gwynn to ever come through the city. And so I didn't realize how big he was. And I saw him when I got drafted, and I walked in, I was out there, and I walked in the lobby of the building. He was coming down the stairs, and we stopped, we talked for about, you know, a couple, three, four minutes, whatever. Told me, good luck. And, you know, he was. Want to watch and see me playing? See what I did? And at the end of the conversation, he said, buddy. He's like, all right, Buddy, man. Take it easy. Kill. Basically, you know, do your thing this year. And so in my head, I'm 20 years old, so I'm not even 21. I don't believe in my head, I'm thinking like, yo, Junior. Say, I just called me Buddy. Like, I'm. I'm kind of hyped up. I'm like, he called me Buddy. We cool. We friends, right?
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Host 3
Yeah.
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Sean Merriman
And so I go to a couple meetings, and then I walk out of this meeting, and I saw him going down the hallway, and he called everybody buddy.
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Host 1
Just deflated, like, special.
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Host 3
You're not special.
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Sean Merriman
It was his thing. He called everybody buddy, man. So I still tell that story because I thought I was, like, special. Yeah, I thought I was special. And, you know, he called me Buddy. And. But, man, he just, you know, I got a lot of workout tips from him. And even in his 14th, 15, 16 year during the offseason, he still worked like an animal. Like, you just. He wasn't even real. And so any doctors he had as therapists, nutritionist? I got. I hired them all. Everybody he went to, I hired everybody Junior had.
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Host 3
Oh, wow, that's interesting.
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Host 1
Well, since we're on nicknames like Buddy, was there a specific moment that the nickname Lights out happened?
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Sean Merriman
Yeah.
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Host 1
Was it overtime, or was it one day that somebody's. Like, somebody's TV turned off?
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Sean Merriman
My. My. My sophomore year in high school, I knocked out four kids in one game. So that's. That's how the name happens.
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Host 1
So, no, no, no, you can't just breathe over that.
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Host 3
You can't gloss over knocking out four dudes and, like. Yeah, so I did that, and then, you know, then I went and just had some Dairy Queen after the game, and it was just like, whatever, you know?
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Sean Merriman
Yeah.
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Host 1
And now you have four other mothers that I'm sure you had to deal with.
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Sean Merriman
I do. It. It was. It was a fiasco after that. So I. I walked off the field after that game, and, like, 20 or 25 students come run up to me, and they said, man, you knocked those kids. You knocked those kids lights out. And I was like, yeah, you know what? Call me lights out. And so.
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Host 3
Makes sense.
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Sean Merriman
I go to school. I go to school, and I. And I didn't even. I just said it. I didn't think anything to it. I went to school on Monday, and I got my. My backpack on, I got my books in my hand. I walking past, you know, everybody in the school, and they're like, yo, what's up, lights? So it. It already somehow carried. This is pre social media. So they already carried somehow in the school. And so I went home that day, and I literally begged my mother, let me get this lights out tattoo on my right forearm. And so my mother was, like, a big smoker at the time. So I ran in the room, I opened the door, and, like, smoke just went everywhere. Like, I'm. I'm trying to move smoke out of the way so I can find her sitting on the bed. Say, ma, this. This lights out thing gonna be big, man. People already called me lights out. I want to get this lights out tattoo on my. On my right forearm. She looked at me and took one more puff of the cigarette and said, boy, get the hell out the room.
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Host 1
She knows branding. You were ahead of your time with branding and marketing.
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Sean Merriman
Yeah, yeah. So I always had that. So anyway, you know, every day for two weeks, I bothered her. She finally let me go get this lights out tattoo on my. On my right forearm, like, two weeks later. And so I got to. Let me. Funny story. I got to. Got to Maryland and put it on a big platform. I had a big game Friday night against Georgia Tech on espn. I had a big hit, and so, boom, that lights out thing came back on the national platform. I get to San Diego, and now you got LT Gates and Philip Rivers, Lorenzo Neal, Jamal Williams, like, all these, you know, Randall Godfrey, Donnie Edwards. They looking at me. I just turned 21. They like, well, we not calling you no damn lights out. Yeah, like, you're a rook. We calling you rook on 56. And so I was like, I looked at him like, okay, cool. We, we had a game against Kansas City and running back Priest Holmes, who was one of my, you know, one of my favorite players of all time, and I went out and hit him and knocked him out. And after the, like when I, right after the game, I walked over and. LT put his hand out and was like, hey, good game lights. So I got, you know, I got my respect in from all the guys.
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Host 3
You had to show them one. Just show them one time.
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Host 1
I mean, you put pre songs down. That's it.
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Host 3
Yeah, just show them one time.
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Host 1
All right. I have to backtrack though. Can you walk me through all four knockouts your sophomore, like, can we do play by play, one through four of each of these teenagers being knocked the fuck out?
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Sean Merriman
Yeah, well, one of them, one of them was a fullback, one of them was a quarterback, one of them's a wide receiver to cut back. And it was a guy on kickoff. We did like an onside kick off anymore. Yeah, we did an on side.
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Host 3
Yeah, the quarterback, the wide receiver. So what, the running back in a kick? In a kick returner.
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Host 1
So you took away their offense and special teams in three quarters.
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Sean Merriman
Yeah, this is a guy that was blocking me on an onside kick. It was a lineman that was blocked.
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Host 1
I was freshman year football. I remember because we had to do weigh ins every day. I was £102 if Sean Merriman knocked out the current wide receiver and it was like, get in there, Rory. And his nickname was Lights Out. I would have quit football my freshman year.
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Host 3
Yeah, you got to fuck that. I'm not sure it's funny.
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Sean Merriman
So after that game, game in high school, we talk about the parents when I was a kid, after the game in high school, I had one of the parents. We used to walk up to these little gates, these fence and walk on the basketball court in order to get up to the, to the football field. I had a parent account. You know, basketball players play defense and they get down their stands, they put the hands out. Yeah, our parent is blocking me from getting on the field and said, I don't belong to play with her son. I need to show a birth certificate. And it was, it was crazy after that, man. Like they tried to get me off the field and they, they actually challenged the school that I had produce all these kind of records to show that I was my age.
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Host 3
It's crazy.
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Host 1
I mean, I'd probably be that parent too, though.
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Host 3
No, absolutely. I'd be peppering in High school walking on the field and my son is 5, 8, 1, 40th, like, get this tank off the field. So we just had the, the NFL draft and the news coming out of the draft this year, obviously with Shador Sanders fall into the fifth round. As somebody who's obviously traveled that road and, and, and played college football and had to go to the draft. What were you thinking watching that? Did you feel like it was a personal attack on Coach prime and his family? Or do you feel like maybe, you know, as a player, Sean Merriman looks at Shador and says, the kid is not maybe as good as they think he is yet.
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Sean Merriman
Yeah, I think it was a combination. I think it was a combination of both. I think that Deion, who's one of my favorite players of all time, and I mean, I remember doing it back when I was a kid. I had the, the headband around the neck, doing the Deion Sanders dance in the backyard when I scored. So, you know, he's, he's one of my favorite players of all time. He has such a strong voice. You know, everybody listen to prime that I think that a lot of teams didn't want to be under that scrutiny, you know, and you know, it was some pre draft stuff that was said, like certain teams that should do a will or won't go to. I think it was a little bit. I think that, you know, Shador probably rubbed some coaches the wrong way when those meetings. You know, I think that's a part of it. And also too, man, I think that, you know, if you're going to take on somebody with all this, all this like media and attention behind them, like he better be a bona fide star superstar in order for you to deal with it. Because the NFL will deal with it. If you got some baggage or you got something with you and they don't like certain things, but you just never wanted your position. They'll take a chance because they think there's enough upside for them to deal with whatever they got to deal with, right? So I think that the team's looking like, man, like you're gonna get judged by Dion if he ain't playing. You're going to have cameras in the locker room and media all the time on why this, why that? Because you got such a big name, a prominent player that would have with a strong family name and a very opinionated, very like blunt. So I think it was a, it was a combination of everything, man. I don't, I don't think that, I don't think it Was one thing. I think it was everything when they went down, their draft board, their evaluation, they was like, boom, boom, boom, boom. Okay, we can't do it. I don't think that. I don't think it was one single thing that happened.
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Host 1
Yeah, yeah, I think I agree. Before we get off the lights out conversation, what was the hardest hitting running back? Not shifty. As hardest to tackle. Who was the only one where you felt like, okay, I'm gonna hurt myself too trying to tackle?
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Sean Merriman
I mean, the only one, the only one ever got me was Maurice y' all and Drew in 2007. And you know, it's funny, like, people call him small, but you got to think he's just short. Ain't nothing small. Ain't nothing.
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Host 1
Low gravity too.
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Host 3
Yeah, yeah.
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Sean Merriman
This dude got a 700 pound squat, 500, like, he's just ridiculously strong. And he probably like 250. So we're not that big of a size. He's just short, right? And so 2007, we went down there, played him in the game, and they ran this formation where the fullback named Greg Jones, who's also big as hell, like 632 or 6 2, 2, 50 plus or 260 running dead at me. So I'm ready to go up against him. He just moves a little bit off to the right, runs past me and Maurice Jones. Drew is right behind him, all five, six of them. And just boom, hit me right under the chin. And I didn't know what the hell happened, right? So I got up, I popped back up. Cause I'm like, I know nobody gonna see this. And so I didn't know it was going to be that big, right? So I got up and I heard the crowd say ooh. But I didn't really think it was ooh because of me. Because I got up so fast. I didn't really think so, man, we, we left Jacksonville because we lost that game. We left Jacksonville, we got home. By the time we landed, they had like two. All two full on commercials made on this head, man. I was like, yo, whoever in this editing house the flip commercials that fast. I'm like, I need to hire him. Because they do a magnificent job. They had two commercials made and you.
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Host 1
Need your royalties for being in it.
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Sean Merriman
Oh, dude, like, it was, it was, it was bonkers. It was bonkers. But that's probably the only, the only time I got. I got got.
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Host 1
What about any tight ends that. That were tough?
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Sean Merriman
Rob Robin Crowski is probably the toughest. That's not. I'm you Know, Antonio Gates, I'm gonna put up there, but he's my teammate. But after him, Rob Gronkowski was tough. Tony Gonzalez was tough to deal with. And some of the bigger ones, like the guy who was on the opposite side of Tony, Tony Gonzalez, people don't even talk about because he was a blocking tight end, Jason Dunn. But this dude was every bit of six, seven, almost 290 or 300 pounds, playing tight end.
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Host 3
Yeah.
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Sean Merriman
So he was hell to deal with. So. But yeah, we, yeah, I've seen all, I've seen all the best of them.
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Host 3
Now we talked to Terrell Suggs a couple weeks ago and unfortunately, you know, he was his first ballot to go into the hall and he was denied. Coach, Coach Billichek was on a podcast and you know, he said any, any player that he had to double team every possession is an absolute hall of Famer in his eyes. Terrell, you know, expressed to us his disappointment in not making it first ballot. How important is the hall to you, though?
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Sean Merriman
It. It is. But you know, for me, my, my career was cut short because of injury. Right. So I know that, you know, it's a long shot for me to get in, if I even have an opportunity to get in, because I, and by the way, man, I believe in longevity. And when I saw Terrell Suggs not getting in, I said, man, I'm never getting in. You get what I'm saying? Because he has such a long and, and great career. But, you know, it used to be something that was a priority to me and for a long time. But then you start looking at it, man, is I started looking at the impact, like the impact you had on the game when, you know, when I was healthy and when I was playing for those years. And then, you know, whenever somebody talk about, you know, anywhere between 2005 and 2008, 09 and you put me up there with some of the greatest, not only numbers wise, but just somebody is dominant was taking over games and my name is to get mentioned. You know, I'm pretty cool with that. Like, to me that's, I, I think that's dope for, for to get mentioned up there. The rest of those guys who end up going to the hall of Fame, but you were still talked about during that era.
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Host 1
Yeah, I hear that. Before we get to our don't know ball trivia questions, I do have to ask because it's one of my favorite shows ever. What was it like to shoot on the show Entourage? I assume you guys shot that in one day, but it was Still a pretty pivotal scene. Like, you were there with all the NFL owners. Jeremy Piven, like, what was that day like?
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Sean Merriman
It was. It was crazy how it happened. So I got. I was good friends with Doug Allen.
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Host 1
Who created the Entourage Shout Out Doug Allen. He's a great podcast now, too. There's Entourage.
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Sean Merriman
Doug. Doug's the man. And so he had hit me up by the blue one day. He's like, man, I got this. I got this scene I think you'll really be really be good in. It's about a NFL team coming to la. And, you know, I think that you will be really good in this. So I was like, all right, cool. You know, Doug Eller call you? And he said, it's gonna be good, then. It's gonna. It's gonna be good. So I literally. I drove up, like, on a day's notice from San Diego to la, and Doug didn't tell me that everybody else at the table was sitting in suits. Right. So I come up there in regular clothes. He told me, like, what the scene was, and. And the whole thing. And I would have, you know, dressed accordingly. So I cool whenever I got up there. And I didn't know that, like, because we didn't see Jerry Jones, everybody, also in that episode, but they were all in that episode as well. I didn't know what it was about. And the crazy story was outside of me supposedly being, like, the franchise player, wherever this team goes, can be the number one player that they want to draft or bring up into this trade to this LA team. Well, LA end up getting the team, like, you know what I'm saying? Several years later. And so just a coincidence. Coincidence of something like that happening was just. Was just crazy. And I still get asked about that show to this day. It's. It's, like, all the time.
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Host 1
Yeah. Iconic Entourage, kind of. I feel like they predicted a lot of stuff. The LA team, Medellin to Narcos, Aquaman. There was, like, 10 movies that Vincent Chase had that ended up being real movies, and then the whole la, you know, Chargers going. That was all in Entourage.
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Sean Merriman
Entourage. It got to go down probably. Top five, top ten series of all time.
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Host 3
Oh, absolutely.
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Sean Merriman
My opinion, TV shows.
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Host 3
Absolutely.
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Host 1
Well, where do you have the Wire being a Maryland native?
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Sean Merriman
Like two. Like one or two. Yeah, I think it's up there.
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Host 1
Yeah, for sure. I'd have Wire number two.
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Host 3
Of course you do. You love the Wire. All right, Sean, so we have some. We have some trivia for you, and you have some questions for us as well. We're going to see exactly how much ball we do or don't know, but we got to see how much music Sean doesn't know. So we got some questions for you. So we're gonna shoot our first question first. So with the first question, this Wale album, a DMV native, this Wale album debuted at number one on the Billboard 200, making it the only album of his to hit number one on the charts. Is it A, ambition, B, the album about nothing, C, the gifted, or D, back to the Future Ambition? Nah, see, the gifted.
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Host 1
I would have got this wrong. I would have said B album about Nothing.
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Host 3
Yeah, I would have said that one.
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Host 1
Because that felt like the highest peak in the singles.
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Host 3
Yeah, Jerry Seinfeld on the COVID Yeah. Yeah.
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Host 1
Well, even he did the mixtape.
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Sean Merriman
Ambition was the one with Jerry Seinfeld on In the Loop.
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Host 1
No, no, no. He had the mixtape About Nothing, More About Nothing, and then the album Nothing, and that was all the Seinfeld stuff. Yeah, but yeah, Ambition had singles on it. I could see that. But I would have got this wrong, too.
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Host 3
Yeah, I would have said ambition.
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Host 1
All right, it's on you. Did they give you the questions?
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Sean Merriman
Yeah. All right, so. So rank these quarterbacks in their career. Touchdowns from most or least, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, or Ben Roethlisberger.
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Host 1
All right, most touchdowns?
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Host 3
Most to least.
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Host 1
Most to least.
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Host 3
Ben Roethlisberger. Who is it? Ben Roethlisberger.
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Sean Merriman
You got Philip Rivers and Eli Manning.
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Host 3
Most to least, most touchdowns. I'mma go. I feel like Philip Rivers might have the most.
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Host 1
Yeah, I'm going Philip, Eli, Ben Roethlisberger.
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Host 3
Yeah, I'm gonna steal Rory's answer on that.
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Sean Merriman
So you got Philip one, Ben Roethlisberger two, and Eli Manning had three.
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Host 1
All right, all right.
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Host 3
You have been in Eli mixed up, right? Okay. But Philip was right, though.
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Sean Merriman
Yeah, Philip was number one.
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Host 1
I feel like Ben just always had a running game where Eli didn't, so I just assumed he had more touchdowns, but. All right, not too bad.
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Host 3
No, not too bad. We got. We got one of them, right? All right, second question. Future won a Grammy for Best Rap Performance with this song. A, like that. B, we still don't trust you. C, life is good. Or D, scientists and engineers.
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Host 1
I would get this wrong, too.
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Host 3
Won a Grammy for Best Rap Performance.
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Sean Merriman
What was the first one?
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Host 3
Like that.
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Sean Merriman
And what's the second one?
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Host 3
We still don't trust you. And then life is good. And then Scientists and engineers. I'm going to the first one like that. No, it was actually scientists and engineers. He Just won that one, right? Yeah.
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Host 1
I mean, not like us cleaned up everything. So, like, that couldn't.
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Host 3
Yeah.
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Host 1
Even get a performance. I feel like. Like, that would have gotten a Grammy had. Not like, us existing.
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Host 3
Yeah.
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Sean Merriman
Damn.
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Host 1
All right, so you.
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Sean Merriman
All right, let's go here. The Tennessee Titans quarterback is the only quarterback I accepted in my career. Got 40s here. All right, so we got Steve Mc there. So this is the only quarterback I. I picked off.
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Host 3
Okay.
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Sean Merriman
From the Titans. Steve McNair, Kerry Collins, Vince Young or Jake Locker.
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Host 3
I'm gonna say Vince Young.
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Host 1
Vince young was spending $40,000 in Applebee's, so I know his head wasn't in the game for a long. I'm gonna go with Vince Young for sure.
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Sean Merriman
Do y' all go. You go with Vince.
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Host 1
I'm going with Vince for sure.
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Sean Merriman
Carrie. Kerry Collins.
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Host 1
God damn. That would have been my second one.
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Sean Merriman
I thought you were gonna go with. With the least biggest name on there, probably Jake. But yeah, Kerry Collins I picked off.
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Host 1
But how long was Kerry Collins even with the Titans?
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Sean Merriman
I think couple. Couple years. Just enough to give him my necessity.
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Host 3
Just enough to make that mistake. Right. All right, last question. This song was number one on the Billboard Hot 100 the week you recorded the only interception of your career. Is it A, Justin Timberlake Sexy Back, B, Fergie, London Bridges, C, NS, Barkley Crazy, or D, Neo Sexy Love? This song was number one on the Billboard.
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Sean Merriman
It's aod, man. It's aod. I just gotta give me one pick.
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Host 1
Pick the Sexy.
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Sean Merriman
Let's go. D.
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Host 3
It's actually a Justin Timberlake Sexy Bag. That record was fucking everywhere.
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Host 1
I heard Sex in Love as well, but.
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Sean Merriman
Yes, aod. But yeah. Yeah, that makes sense.
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Host 1
Yeah, that record was funny. Is. I probably would have went with Fergie, London Bridges. Yeah, I mean, that. That record was everywhere.
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Host 3
That Fergie record was everywhere. All right, you got one more for us, Sean.
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Sean Merriman
All right, let me go. In 2006, I tied charter Charges single season sack record. Well, how many sacks? One. The first was 14. Second, 15. 16 or 17 in 2006. Tied this. The Charger single season sack record.
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Host 1
15.
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Host 3
I'm gonna say 16.
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Sean Merriman
17.
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Host 1
I apologize, man. I ain't.
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Host 3
My bad.
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Host 1
I should have went with the highest number.
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Host 3
I missed that game.
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Host 1
I thought it was 21.
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Sean Merriman
Yeah, not joking. See, look, if you said. If you said 16, I'm like, all right, cool. But two sacks.
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Host 3
Yeah, yeah, 16. All right, so it was 17.
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Host 1
Nah, two of those were assisted. Yeah.
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Sean Merriman
Whenever they were sister sacks, I would go turn into the NFL, like, nah, man. You said I had this whole sack.
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Host 1
As you should.
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Host 3
Is that a real thing? Is that that guys do?
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Sean Merriman
I used to do all the time.
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Host 1
Yeah.
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Host 3
That's crazy.
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Sean Merriman
And the thing is, though, I used to tell my teammates, too. When I did, I didn't do it on the side of my man.
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Host 3
I respect that.
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Sean Merriman
I said, listen, your finger, My whole hand was on him. Your finger only touched him. So I'm just letting you know I'm turning it in.
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Host 3
All right. Before we let you go, favorite linebacker, Lawrence Taylor, Ray Lewis.
- [47:47]
Sean Merriman
I mean, I'm out of my game after Lawrence Taylor, but I'm going my brother Ray for life. Ray Lewis.
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Host 3
Can't be mad at that. Lt was a monster, though.
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Host 1
And I mean, not a Maryland native, but definitely adopted by the state of Maryland.
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Host 3
Oh, absolutely. Without a doubt. Sean, we appreciate you again. Give us, Tell us about the, the Lights out.
- [48:09]
Sean Merriman
Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. We, we got a big fight in, in San Diego June 14th. Lights out of train fighting. 24 people can get their tickets. If you're listening in the SoCal area, make sure you check that out. Lights out xf.com and also make sure y' all download lights out sports TV or available on every smart TV, iOS, Android, completely free. Got a ton of free live sports there and big Ultimate Fan Zone show coming out with a game day hostility, man. We got, we got a big tailgate show coming up this year.
- [48:36]
Host 1
What would be the one athlete you want to see in the Octagon?
- [48:42]
Sean Merriman
James Harrison. I already called him out.
- [48:46]
Host 1
I already said a word since was.
- [48:49]
Sean Merriman
No, of course not. I mean, but, you know, look, I think that as y' all, y' all reaction, tell me everything that. Why. Why I want to do it. I think that, I think a lot of people want to want to see it. And you know, people tune in, we're doing the Lights on Extreme fighting.
- [49:02]
Host 3
Yeah, that'll be crazy to see that.
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Host 1
The fact that he quiet, though, I mean, saying something.
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Host 3
He might be training. He might, he might be in training. He might be a training.
- [49:12]
Sean Merriman
Two years.
- [49:12]
Host 3
I ain't taking training for two years. Lights Out Extreme fighting and Lights out Sports tv. Sean Merriman, a legend. Thank you, my brother, for joining us today.
- [49:21]
Sean Merriman
Appreciate it, y' all. Thanks for having me.
- [49:23]
Host 1
Love, peace.
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Sean Merriman
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Host 1
This is an iHeart podcast.