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Podcast Host (iHeart podcast intro)
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Chad Millman
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Colin Coward
Coward from the Colin Coward podcast.
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Simon Hunter
All right.
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Colin Coward
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Chad Millman
presented by Hard Rock Bat. We are part of the Volume Podcast network. This is the show that makes the square sharper, makes the wise guys pay attention. I am Chad Millman. I am joined as always by my co host, my bff, my companion, my compadre professional better Simon Hunter. Hello Simon.
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Co-host greeting (possibly Chad or Simon)
Chad.
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Simon Hunter
How we doing?
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Chad Millman
I mean on a personal level, I feel great. The weather's beautiful. I'm loving the NBA playoffs. My kids graduated from Drexel later this week. I also feel like we as a society and specifically in the world that we both live in, sports and sports betting, it is awash in cynicism, greed, corrupt behavior, inconsistent behavior at every level. We're a part of it. College football is a part of it. We're going to talk about the World cup today with our good friend Anthony De Bundo. The World cup is and always has been ground zero for corruption, greed, hypocritical, shove it in the fan's face. We don't care how much we're gonna gouge you for behavior. And we're just in a. We're. We're awash in bad actors.
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Simon Hunter
Yeah, it doesn't the, the World cup doesn't have the vibe I definitely thought it was gonna have. I thought by the time June came around, America would kind of be more on board and you would kind of see stuff everywhere. Especially I live in a host city of Philly. And it is not. There is no needle move. Nothing feels changed at all. We've talked a little bit about Chad. Like I'm trying to go to a game at the link. Cheapest seats are 400 per seat. That's before all the fees and everything else, which is just, that's not attainable to the normal fan. Especially the fan that just wants to watch, you know, France play a third tier level club. It doesn't, it doesn't make sense what's going on right now. And the, the funniest thing is hearing Europeans talk about it where it's like American and building a new stadiums, blah blah, blah. And it's like, brother, we have the infrastructure you think we need to make a new stadium. I can't wait for them to see the stadium in LA or the stadium down in Atlanta. Like those new stadiums. We don't need anything new. I think the, the coolest thing they did was bring in the, bring in the real grass, which is like. Yeah, to me, the NFL players who are arguing right now for the, against the 18 game schedule, I, I feel like that's a guarantee that artificial turf will be gone. It would be grass in every stadium if they could do it for the World Cup. There's no excuse. This is a billion dollar league. So yeah, Chad, it's a, it's a weird feeling where I'm, I'm really excited for it, but I wish more Americans were excited for the World Cup. It's the best. And I know people are skeptical of America. I try to keep telling American fans South Korea hosted it a couple, I don't know if that was 16 years ago. They finishes one of the final four teams. So host nations do get a weird bump and I'm hoping America gets that. We need a run. To me, that's what America desperately needs. If they could get a run and finish somehow in the top four. I do think that would change people's feelings to the World cup because it's, it's the best. It's the best. Honestly, celebrating with people as a country. I mean, you remember USA Hockey, right? How much fun was that? Yeah, it's the best.
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Daniela Duran
Best.
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Simon Hunter
So I, I need it, I need us to be good. But I watched us play, play the other night and yeah, it's it's still feels like we have a ways to go, buddy.
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Chad Millman
Well, look, you bring up a really good point and I do want to get to the World cup because it officially begins today. Group play is underway. I want to get to the bundo but it's so fascinating to me all the price gouging and the, you know, disgusting, horrible behavior of World cup executives, etc, and then we go to Brendan Ssby, the Texas Tech quarterback who had admittedly bet on Indiana games. When he was at Indiana he had bet about I think 90 grand. He clearly has a gambling problem. He's admitted to that he was banned from being able to play for Texas Tech in this upcoming year. He was the number one rated recruit in the portal. Texas Tech dropped a bag to get him. Texas Tech has been very aggressive during the nil era. Cody Campbell, oil billionaire, has been very outspoken about the NCAA and how he wants to completely reimagine what college sports looks like. Sworesby had been banned and yesterday a Texas judge decided to overturn the ban. And really that means Sworesby is going to play because any appeal process the NCAA can make will not be settled until after the college football season. So now there's a lot of conversations about Sorsby, an admitted gambler who better on his team is going to be leading one of the top programs in college football team that made the College Football playoff this past year expected to do it again. It's fascinating to me the response that people have because this will have and this is a completely cynical view. This will have zero impact on fans and their love of sports. We see it constantly. Gambling scandals are all over sports right now. Ratings are only getting bigger in every single sport. MLB ratings up, NBA ratings up. NFL ratings up. NBA ratings up in the finals enormously. And no league has had more problem with sports betting than the NBA. So World cup will be a global phenomenon. No matter how disgusting the people are that run does not matter. That's the cynical point of view. Do you have thoughts on and and just to finish this ramp before I get to you, Simon, I love hearing coaches. This goes back to 1980s SMU college football scandals. I love hearing the people at Texas Tech saying this kid deserves to be on the field. He deserves to be given a second chance. We need to take care of our student athletes. We need to take care of our young people. All that is true, then take care of them. Being on the football field is still a privilege. You don't get to sidestep all of the other stuff just because you happen to Be a good football player, you shouldn't be playing football that's a non starter. But get him all the help in the world that he needs and continue to support him as you would have if he was going to be your quarterback. Because that's the human thing to do and that's what it really means to support the student athlete. Not he deserves to be on the field because it will help him with his recovery. Which is an argument a lot of people in these circles are making.
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Simon Hunter
Yeah, I mean, all I can hope is eventually it goes the other way, right? It's, we're in a weird tipping point around society. I, I agree it keeps getting worse, but I do think eventually it could go the other way. But you know, if he wasn't going to play college, he was going to be in a supplemental draft. So to me, college football, we've known for a long time, it's a business. This judge, I believe it might have been from Houston. So it was like they try to be a nine bias judge, right? They, they, they, they, they try to make it as fair as possible as what they claimed. But we've known for a long time, right, the NCAA has lost total power. They have no power.
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Chad Millman
No power.
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Simon Hunter
And you know, I, I feel bad for college football fans but at the same time, I think what you just said is so true. It's like they care. They'll stomp their feet, they'll tweet about it, but the end of the day, nothing will change. It's only going to keep getting worse because money rules all, especially in that league. And yeah, we're again, we only have so much time here to talk about these different things. But yes, FIFA to me is the most corrupt organization in the world when it comes to sports, no doubt about it. But you know, they do, they do make right decisions, right moves. And I think the World cup setup between Canada, Mexico and usa, it's cool. Like I love this whole setup and this whole deal, it just sucks. Like you said, it's been so corrupt Americans aren't behind it. No Americans paying a thousand dollars for just two seats and the nosebleeds to go watch France play some crappy team in Philly. I just don't know how these tickets are going to sell. So like we said, Chad, I think as us is the people need to fight back. You can fight back with your money, right. If less people watch college football. You know, people turn off this whole college football playoffs being, what is it, two months now. It feels like it starts in early December. Chad doesn't until late January. If people push back against it, that's the only way with their money, I should say. That's the only way they're going to make change. So, yeah, it's. Things are changing right now, buddy.
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Chad Millman
Every.
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Simon Hunter
Every day. Things are changing rapidly. I never thought a kid would bet on college football and be eligible to play again in college football. It's really, honestly, shocking. He's shocking, truly.
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Chad Millman
And I'm not one of those people
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Anthony De Bundo
who
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Chad Millman
thinks that sports are fixed. You know, I actually feel like all the mechanisms are in place to make sure that sports are legit, that every contest is legit. And I also feel like 99% of the athletes are actually not interested in betting on sports or in. In trying to fix the outcome of a game. It's news because it happens infrequently, although more frequently than it used to happen in the past. And there are a lot of protections in place. I'm not so cynical that I think I'm watching games that are fixed, but I think when you're letting a quarterback who's admittedly bet on games that he was involved in be the face of a franchise that is supposed to get to the playoffs, I think we're treading on very, very thin ice. Dangerous, dangerous precedent. Here's the good news. We get to turn our back on all of our preaching and just talk about betting on the World Cup. Anthony De Bundo. Anthony De Bundo, who we discovered at the Action Network when he was just a senior at Syracuse. We loved him. He left us to go to the ringer. He's covering everything for the World cup for the ringer. Anthony De Bundo, welcome to the show.
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Anthony De Bundo
Oh, it's good to be here. I'm very excited to spread the world's game, the love of the world's game. I remember back when we first wanted to get a soccer podcast with our friends BJ Cunningham and Michael Leeboff, and Chad didn't want to give us a soccer show. He said, nobody likes soccer. And now here we are doing the soccer. Doing the soccer show on Sharper Square.
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Chad Millman
Nobody likes soccer. We're doing one soccer show every four fucking years for the World Cup. That's how much people want to. Want to talk about soccer.
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Anthony De Bundo
That's fine. We'll take whatever we can get.
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Chad Millman
Listen, you're a young, single guy on the make in Philly. Before we get into the soccer talk, tell us about your experience watching game one of the NBA Finals.
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Anthony De Bundo
Yeah, so we were actually in Sweden. Spotify was celebrating 20 years. And the game started at 2:30. So immediately when we all got there, obviously a lot of us are sports fans, a lot of Knicks fans. We're looking around like, what are we going to do? There's not bars open past three, so that's not going to work. None of us have TVs in our hotel room where we can get local New York television or national ESPN broadcasts. So what are we going to do? We found a hotel conference room that sat about 11 people, and we fit about 35 people into this conference room. Sitting on floors, sitting on the wall, sitting under the table. 35 people packed, mostly Knicks fans, at 2:30 in the morning in Stockholm to watch the finals. And then, you know, I think the weirdest thing about all of it is, okay, it's halftime. The room's kind of steamy, so a bunch of us are like, let's go get some fresh air outside. You walk out of the hotel and the sun is shining at four in the morning in June in Stockholm. It is a majestic feeling. You know, you're out at midnight and you can still see the orange hue from the sunset. And then four hours later, it's bright and sunny. How does anybody ever sleep? I don't know if I live there. I would be a deranged lunatic who probably would lose my mind every winter, but in the summers, man, what a special time. And, yeah, go Knicks. I mean, they pulled it out and now we got a series.
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Chad Millman
Hey, listen, you're so good at the soccer stuff, even though you broke my heart when you ditched us at action for the ringer. My older son, who is graduating from Drexel in the coming days, he was like, hey, I want to get into the World Cup. A lot of my friends are into the World Cup. Who should I go read or listen to? I sent him your glossary page from the.
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Anthony De Bundo
Oh, thank you. That's so nice.
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Chad Millman
Now, I want you to bring that knowledge, bring that knowledge to us. The Bundo. Okay, we got a huge field, 48 total teams. That's going to be games for basically 40 days. The final is July 19th. Set the table for us. Explain the structure of the tournament.
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Anthony De Bundo
Yeah, this is the first time we've ever had a 48 team World Cup. Traditionally, it was very simple. 32 teams, eight pools. Top two from each pool make a final 16. Then you have a traditional 16 team bracket to determine the champion. But now FIFA said, hey, what if we expand the game? What if we grow the game and we deepen our pockets? We. We can make a 48 team World cup with 12 groups. But the problem is if you just took two from every group, you'd have 24 teams. And it's hard to build a bracket with 24. So they said, here's our solution. We'll have 32 teams qualify. So we're only going from 48 to 32. And what the first group round will do, eliminate 16 teams. But the third place teams will also advance. So eight of the top 12 third place teams will advance the knockouts to form a round of 32. So not only is the tournament bigger, but now the champion team, whoever ends up winning this whole thing will have to play an eighth game. Traditionally it was seven, now it's eight. So there's another game added in. There's also more space between the games because there are more teams that used to be every four days you would play in the World Cup. Now it's every six or seven days. So the teams have more time off in between games. The travel is bigger for this World Cup. They kept it mostly regional for the group stage, but still there's more travel with us being such a big country, Mexico and Canada. And as a result, I think there's a lot of confounding factors. There's the heat, the travel, the elevation at a couple places, the time off, the extra matches, the fact that really like, there's seven teams that are 97% or better to make it out of the group stage. They're kind of just like exhibitioning their way through this. So a lot of new factors to consider with this World Cup.
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Chad Millman
Simon, at some point on this show, we're going to have to do a big balls bet of the week presented by Hard Rock Bet. I know you're paying very close attention to how your home country, your birth country of England will do in the World Cup. Spain is by far the big favorite. I think -450 at Hard Rock bet right now, but a lot more teams under 10 to 1. France, England. Portugal. Brazil. Argentina. From both of your points of view, Simon, I know you're a huge football fan. Anthony, you as well. Give us a contenders versus pretenders breakdown for those six teams. Simon, you start. Spain. France. England. Portugal. Brazil. Argentina.
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Simon Hunter
So I'll just start from the top again. If you're not into soccer at all, it you get it's a lot of comparables to the NFL. In the NFL, if you've never won a Super bowl, it's basically impossible to ever win a Super Bowl. It's. It sounds bizarre, but if you look, for some reason, if you've ever won one, it's so much easier to win the next one. Same goes for the World Cup. The World cup is bizarre. It's basically, there's six teams, like we've talked about here, that win the World Cup. They've been rotating for about over 100 years now. And England is an outlier. England won in. You gotta look it up. 1966, okay? Spain won in 2010. So those are two teams that both just won one. And then Uruguay, they won two World Cups, but that was before the 1950s. So we kind of discount Uruguay. They're not even a part of this conversation. So that leaves France, Argentina, Germany, Italy and Brazil. These are the teams that just always win. I don't think Brazil truly has a chance this year. Italy didn't make the tournament. And Germany, studs, Argentina, studs and France, they're all studs. So, you know, like I said, Spain won in 2010. They're a great culture. That's what I'm trying to beat down here, people. It's all about the culture in the country. That's really what dictates all this. These cultures breed styles, and the style Spain is one is this really tight, formative type of passing, and that's what won them in 2010. They had incredible midfielders. Javi, just. If you go back and look, that team was absolutely stacked. This Spain team now is stacked and they're really, really talented. So I get whether the odds on favorite. I honestly probably would. I know France just won. To me, they're. They're such a good team. I could probably. I could probably give it to France, give them the best odds. But if I was going to go very boring. The fans of this show want to take the born pick. I have no issue taking Spain. To me, Spain is by far the best team. They have the best players. I would not be shocked if they won at all.
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Chad Millman
Anthony.
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Anthony De Bundo
Spain's my pick too. You know, like, ultimately there. There isn't a huge gap in the odds between Spain, France and. And like, England's kind of there. And like, I know Portugal's gotten a lot of helium lately.
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Chad Millman
I'll.
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Anthony De Bundo
I'll separate the top six. Four contenders, two pretenders. So my contenders are Spain, France, England, and then I'll throw Argentina in there at the back end of that. Argentina are the defending champs, but they essentially have the same team they did four years ago, which can be good or bad. You could say, hey, like, they've done it. They have the know how they have the experience. Lionel Messi is still good, although I think it's going to be hard for him to replicate what he did four years ago at the World cup at his age. But they also could get old really quick, they could get stale. And I think there's questions, like the next generation of Argentina isn't quite ready yet to take that step. They're really young, so I'll put them in the mix, but I think they're a clear fourth. I'll let Simon talk about England. We'll come back to them. But you know, France, if you're just picking attackers, like, it's ridiculous how good they are. Killian, Mbappe, Osmani, Dembele and Michael Elise. It's the best front three that I've had since I started watching the World cup, which was in 2010, was the first one I ever watched. So that group is scary. I think there's questions about their midfield. Spain, I think, is the most complete team. They are like almost freakishly young. Like Pedri's 22 star midfielder Lamina Mall is 18. He's already a top five player in the world, but he's hurt right now and I think that's the one big X factor for Spain. Their best player isn't going to play probably in the group stage. He might come back for the last game. They don't really need him though, until the quarterfinals. Like they could make the quarters without him. They bring him in, if he's fit, he's ready to go. Like all of a sudden this is a Spanish team that won the Euros, that one. They made the Nations League final. That has beaten France the last two times they played them the last two summers. So I think Spain is the rightful favorite. But, you know, I think it wouldn't shock me if any of those four won the whole thing. As far as pretenders, that's where we get into Portugal and then like Brazil, I am down on both teams relative to the to the odds.
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Chad Millman
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Isaiah Thomas
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CJ Toledano
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Isaiah Thomas
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CJ Toledano
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Isaiah Thomas
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CJ Toledano
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Isaiah Thomas
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Co-host greeting (possibly Chad or Simon)
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Isaiah Thomas
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Podcast Host (iHeart podcast intro)
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Anthony De Bundo
2016 was sort of that last era of monoculture where we still consumed things
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Podcast Host (iHeart podcast intro)
in community, from Beyonce and Rihanna. Everybody wanted to be Beyonce.
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Anthony De Bundo
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Podcast Host (iHeart podcast intro)
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Anthony De Bundo
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Podcast Host (iHeart podcast intro)
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Anthony De Bundo
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Podcast Host (iHeart podcast intro)
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Daniela Duran
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Chad Millman
Simon, give us your England take. I want to root for England. I always want to root for England. You know, I'm a bit of an Anglophile. You, my brother, are English. Can we root for England? Can we do it together? Can we make England our team for the podcast?
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Anthony De Bundo
Football's coming home. It's coming home.
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Chad Millman
Can we do it?
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Simon Hunter
No, Chad, you don't want this life, buddy. It's a life of heartbreak.
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Chad Millman
One day he'll wake up, pinch himself
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Simon Hunter
and realize that was for real. Every. Every year. It's our year. Honestly, like, we've had some incredible clubs. Even our. That last World cup, we had such a great break, or might have been eight years ago, I think it was Croatia. All we had to be was Croatia to make the finals. Like, it just. It never breaks right for England. Chads, you don't want this life. I am heartbroken here in Debundo, not like Portugal. That's one of my favorite sleeper teams, people. If you don't know, I'm a diehard Man United fan. The best player in the world in my opinion. Bruno Fernandez, who again, we only have so much time to break down here, but basically this man, to give you the my football kind of take of it is this guy is the. The Aaron Rodgers of soccer. Just any hole, any pass, it's always perfect. And he can make a low level guy like Jordy Nelson is a good receiver. Aaron Rodgers made him look like a hall of Famer. Right? That's what Bruno Fernandez does to all the talent around him. This guy's a midfielder that could put a ball 50 yards downfield right on someone's foot. I'm telling you, it's.
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Anthony De Bundo
He's amazing for assists this year.
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Simon Hunter
Yeah.
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Anthony De Bundo
Premier League. Yeah.
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Simon Hunter
Premier League record for assist. Like, he's just that good. So I, I will get into my England talk here. I need to bundle. Give me some more Portugal talk because I need to know what I'm missing here. But for England, I love them. I love their matchups. I believe I look at their percentages. They have a really high percentage coming out of group stage. They're kind of, kind of type of team that's 70 to get out of their group. Right? That's what most computer models project. The only other team, their group that's really good is Croatia. I guess Ghana's all right. But that's the thing with England, Chad. It doesn't really matter about the group stages anymore. Like, they can come in third and still get out. It's. It's when they play France, are they gonna beat France? It's. Are they gonna be Argentina? So that's why I don't want people to put money on them. I really don't. Like I said, Spain is very boring, but it's safe. England, it's a better value. They're just as good, in my opinion, as Spain. But it's just heartbreak. It's so much pressure. It's. I can't tell you how much pressure
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Anthony De Bundo
is on these British vibes are never good for England. It's true. I mean, look, England, England are very, very, very, very good defensive team. And I think probably the best defensive team in the field. They don't lose very often unless it's a penalty shootout, right? And I think, you know, England's been so close with what I thought was a bad manager. Like 2018, you mentioned it. Semi finals of the World Cup. 2021, they make it to the Euro final. They lose on a heart, a breaking penalty shootout. 2022, they lose in the World cup quarters to France because they missed a penalty. 2024, they lose the Euro final to Spain. So, like, they're there. They're not. It's not like they keep underachieving, but they just, They've never passed the eye test. But now they have a better manager, they have a more balanced team. There was a couple holes in the last couple years where it's like, well, they're not playing any left wingers. They're. They're super unbalanced in their structure. And now they have another midfielder play with Declan Rice. They have an actual. They have two good left wingers to play this year. So I think they're more balanced and it wouldn't shock me if they did it. But here's the other part, like the schedule, the way that the draw broke. They're probably going to play a game at Mexico City at elevation against Mexico in the knockouts. They're probably going to have to beat Brazil in Miami, which is like basically Brazil in the knockouts team to just get to the semis in the finals. So it. They got a pretty tough draw in the knockouts potentially. Obviously that could all change, but that's why I'm kind of like, I like England. I think they're good enough to win it. But like, can they actually do it? I. I'm not sure of that. As far as Portugal goes, I love their midfield. Second best midfield at the tournament. Fernandez is amazing. It's a Ronaldo problem for me. He's 41 years old. He can't really run anymore. And they, they don't, you know, use what makes Fernandez and their midfield so good because they just center everything around Ronaldo. All they do is cross and cross and cross and cross into Ronaldo, he takes the free kicks. They literally have a player in Bruno Fernandez who just broke the record for assists because he's so good on free kicks and corner and Ronaldo, if they're like within scoring range, Ronaldo's like, nope, it's my time. I'm taking the free kick. And then he just doesn't score. And it's like, like they're, they're placating this guy and he should be a super sub. He would be an amazing super sub. But they start him and he can't run. Like I said, he doesn't defend. So it's like a weird situation where they're really talented, but their front three and, and their left winger has been out of form too. Like you're just like, well, I don't know if this all comes together, guys,
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Chad Millman
this is why they got us. You know what I mean? Like, we're suckers. We're all suckers because the second we start talking about the games. I went through this with one of my close friends before the Knicks game three. He lives in la. We hadn't caught up in a couple weeks and his kid had just graduated college. He's got work stuff going on and he's a die hard New York Knicks fan, grew up in the Tri State area. He knows I don't want the Knicks to win. He's calling me on the way to a Knicks bar in LA. We have 25 minutes to catch up. In that 25 minutes, we broke it down into a TV show. The a block was the Knicks. Of all the things. He's like, how do you want to organize it? I'm like, it, we got to do the Knicks right now. We'll talk about family and work later. That ended up being the whole conversation was just the Knicks sports fans are suckers and we're going to keep getting played and we don't even care because we love it so much. This conversation proves it. England is going to break our hearts, Simon. Portugal is going to do what Portugal does. FIFA is going to charge an arm and a leg for all of it. No one's going to care.
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Anthony De Bundo
And we're all going to be tuned in every, you know, there's games Midnight eastern chat.
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Chad Millman
As you guys were talking about it, I'll be locked Up. I was thinking about, like, the sounds when the World cup is happening, like, on television from the stadium, the pay. It's just. It's too good. And like, if we. If. If there are people listening to the show who are casual soccer fans and soccer betters, like, we want you to get something from this. It's. It's on our side of the planet. It's in our time zones. We know people want to have fun. So, Anthony, for that crowd, what are you explaining to people are the best ways to approach betting on the World Cup? Invest in early, ride along with one country. How are you sort of giving people the lowdown?
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Anthony De Bundo
Yeah, don't bet long shot outrights. It's a good way to, like, I mean, I guess now with, like, you know, the. Some of the market stuff, you can maybe invest and then sell out your positions. Like, that kind of thing is possible. But if you're just like, I want to pick a future. What Simon said is true. There's only seven countries in this field that have ever won the World Cup. It is very hard to do because, I mean, think about Morocco four years ago. They were an incredible story, right? They were 14 to 1 to win their group. They won their group over Belgium and Croatia. They beat Belgium in the process. They get to the knockouts, and it's like, all right, great job, Morocco. Incredible story. Like, thanks for coming out. You're playing Spain. You're going to lose. And they're like, nope, nope, we're beating Spain, too. Like, okay, great job. Like, you upset Spain, you want to shoot out now you got to play Portugal. They're like, well, we'll be. We'll beat them, too. Okay, great. This is the greatest run we've ever seen from an African nation. They're in the semi final now. You just have to beat France and like, oh, even if they had won that, oh, now you got to beat Argentina and Leo Messi in the fight. Like, it's just the odds of a team doing that. It's like zero. Because the teams get tired, they wear down. They have to defend for. For the whole match against these superior nations. And it's like, you know, the World cup, especially now in the current format, where it's almost impossible for the big boys to get knocked out before the knockouts like you used to get, you know, 2014, Spain got knocked out in the group stage. 2018, Germany got knocked out in the group stage. And it was like, oh, that's like a, you know, 2022, Belgium. But now, like, I mean, there probably there might be one, but it's like some of these fourth place teams are so bad that it's almost unfathomable that a team gets knocked out and then you know, you're looking at again, seven countries have ever won it. Portugal's not on that list. Portugal is good enough to win it, I think, but it would really shock me. And so you're like, all right, so pick one of those teams, pick one of those horses to ride with and then look into other markets. I mean, if you want to make Morocco to make a run, like bet him to make the semis, bet him to make the quarters, bet Ecuador, who I like, you know, bet one of those teams, Switzerland, as opposed to going like outright. And it's like, oh great, I have 50 to 1. But then you're never going to win.
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Chad Millman
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Isaiah Thomas
It's Isaiah Thomas and I'm CJ Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds.
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CJ Toledano
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Isaiah Thomas
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CJ Toledano
He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before, and he knows without Luka and Austin Reaves, I gotta manipulate the game.
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Isaiah Thomas
We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs.
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CJ Toledano
I think Joker's gonna be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reed, he has to guard Julius Randle, and then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night tonight, Bases on offense.
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Isaiah Thomas
And when it's friends stop by like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too.
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Co-host greeting (possibly Chad or Simon)
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Isaiah Thomas
So listen to Point game on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Podcast Host (iHeart podcast intro)
What did black music, food and culture teach us about who we were becoming?
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Anthony De Bundo
2016 was sort of that last era of monoculture where we still consumed things
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Podcast Host (iHeart podcast intro)
in community from Beyonce and Rihanna. Everybody wanted to be Beyonce.
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Anthony De Bundo
Ugh, I don't think we'll ever see another Rihanna.
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Podcast Host (iHeart podcast intro)
To soul food, memory, identity and the stories we carry through black culture.
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Anthony De Bundo
What does it mean to be black
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Podcast Host (iHeart podcast intro)
and eat in America? So we were this group of people
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Anthony De Bundo
who knew how to work the land,
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Podcast Host (iHeart podcast intro)
who knew how to live with the land. We make it do what it do. Therapy for black girls is bringing together the conversation, shaping black life right now. You will never make me feel bad for being a black girl, for being
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Anthony De Bundo
a black American girl ever.
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Podcast Host (iHeart podcast intro)
Therapy for black girls is bringing it all to the mic. Listen to therapy for black Girls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Anthony De Bundo
And there's a ton of excitement here
- [39:29]
Simon Hunter
because their new star is hot. Javier Chicharito Hernandez from Mexico.
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Daniela Duran
Everyone sees me as a football player, but before anything else, I'm human every single day. I'm still learning how to live with problems, mistakes, relationships, emotions, ever since I was born. And I still have so many questions. Where do we come from? What happens after death? How do you deal with cancellation? Cristiano or Messi? Do aliens exist? What is love? Real Madrid or Barca? From everyday and ordinary to. To the deep and extraordinary. This isn't a normal podcast. Everything here is spontaneous, real and genuine. This podcast is like a deep talk with your closest friends where vulnerability comes out, conspiracy theories end up on the table and goals and lessons are shifted. We are here to connect and together with IHA radio, we're going to make the O ordinary extraordinary. Stay close. Listen to learning to be human on iHeartRadio Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast.
- [40:33]
Chad Millman
I do want to talk about the U.S. men's National Team again. There's might be people listening who only want to root for the US men's team. Always controversy, always drama. It's been, what, 30 something years since the US men's team had that run in 94. And everyone gets excited. It never delivers. It's fine. We're, you know, we're excited to cheer for our guys, but lay out the strategy for the U.S. men's team and their chances here in the World Cup.
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Anthony De Bundo
I think they got a really fun group and like, it doesn't mean that they're going to like, roll over everybody or that they got an easy group. You know, I think when you get into a World cup, like you want a challenging and interesting group. And I go back to, you know, the most fun I've had as a US fan was 2014 when they were in the Group of Death. Everybody was like, oh, USA has no chance. They're, they're partnered up with Germany, Portugal and Ghana. Back when Ghana was like one of the best teams in Africa and it's like they got no chance. And then guess what? They beat Ghana late. They had the lead against Portugal. They went toe to toe with like Peak Ronaldo, Portugal and tied them and then advanced out of the Group of Death. And then they played Belgium in that crazy game where, you know, Tim Howard is standing on his head and, and you're like, well, you know, they lost in the round of 16, but damn, that was fun. And I think this group, like, there's not the sexy names, but in terms of all 12 groups of this World Cup, Group D is the most balanced from top to bottom. Like my rankings of all 48 teams, I've got the US number one in their group at 18. I've got Australia last at 31st. So like all four teams are kind of similar. Australia I think is a little as a notch, notch too worse. But Paraguay is a really tough defensive team. Turkey is a really, really, really talented offensive team that could play a really fun back and forth game with the United States. Paraguay is a perfect challenge to start because the US has had problems against these very physical defensive teams in terms of breaking them down, creating chances. That's going to be the task on Friday night. Paraguay's best attacking player is now out for this game. He suffered an injury last week, Julio and Ciso. So you're looking at like, okay, the defense should hold up here. That's our main question about the US Is how, how does this defense, this goalkeeper situation, it's kind of dicey. How do they hold up? And then we get to see the attack, which I think is tactically well set up for this tournament. We're going to see how they are able to gel together and break down a really good defensive team. They played Paraguay in November and it was like a very competitive 2:1 win for the US so I think it'll be a great game.
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Chad Millman
Simon, when you bet the World cup, do you bet it differently than you normally do as a professional? Better if you approach it more as a fan?
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Simon Hunter
Yeah. Like I'm always working, trying to get info. So that's, that's part of my Life. Like, even if I. I'm not betting up a sport professionally, I'm always trying to find an edge and I love watching it. So yeah, for me, like I talked about, I've only. I only watched Premier League, so I don't watch Spanish Lee. I don't watch Frenchly, I don't watch German. I don't watch it. I only really watch Premier League, so, you know, I don't know all the players. I'll be upfront about that, but I know the best ones. Like, come on, I play FIFA as well. So like I'm not totally out of it, but like, I know these guys names. It's just, you know, to me, when it gets to the World Cup, I'm not here to poo poo Americans. Like, I want America. I already talked about that. I want them to make a run because I think it'd be good for the sport and just get American culture being more into the sport, you know. Paraguay, if you want to bet USA to beat them, feels like a sucker bed. I think they're -105 to win the game. Their first game against Paraguay. The value to me is in the tie. And again, Americans don't like betting this stuff, but it's plus 240 at Hard Rock. That's. That's good value in it. What we just talked about. Paraguay is a great defensive team. A month of America's strength has been really tough defensively. So it's like a 1100 game. I know that's not fun to Americans, but to me that'd be a great result for America and that'd be a nice way to start the tournament. So, you know, I got a big balls, but that's not it yet. I don't think that takes big balls, but a tie. But for, for my view of Americans, if you want to bet on your team, you want to bet on them to win the group. I think Anthony just laid out for you, there is value there. They're the best team in the group. The margin's so small though, and the lines already built into that. You're kind of betting for fun. You're not betting because like, there's other values we're going to talk about here to bet. This ain't one of them. America, if you're betting it, you're better. Truly. As a fan, I think the best
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Anthony De Bundo
way to bet America is not the group, but actually so you can bet like to make the round of 16. And there's a, there's a minus 110 out there. I think that's the best way to bet the US like if they win the group, they get a third place team and there is a chance that it's like a sneaky good, you know, like Senegal or Ivory coast, really good African or even European team, like a Norway. But most likely they're going to be the clear favorite in that round of 32 game. And if they come in second in the group, they're most likely round of 32 opponent is either Iran or Egypt, which geopolitics aside, they're better than both of those teams as well and much deeper than both. So I think they're favored in the round of 32 game either way. If they come in third, maybe not. But if they come in first or second, which I think they will, they are the favorite clearly. And, and you can get like -110 on. On them to win that match. So I think that's where this goes. And then they get to the round of 16 and it's like, all right, they're probably going to play either Belgium or Argentina and they're going to be underdogs, but could they pull off an upset? It's always kind of like the, the place we get to. Right. Four years ago it was like they're playing the Dutch. Could they pull off an upset? No, they're playing the Belgians. Could they pull off an upset? Almost, but no. So it's like that's kind of what we're at right now. And if they win one, like Simon said, they get the home bounce and the crowd goes nuts and they get an early lead and they're in the quarterfinals. And now you're like, well, they kind of, kind of did the thing.
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Chad Millman
Simon, what's our big balls bet of the week?
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Simon Hunter
Anthony already said it. He kind of shook my hand. I. I love Morocco. I really do. I don't think what happened four years ago was just a blimp. And I think Brazil is totally overrated, like people are. I think I've seen some models have 75% chance of winning their group. So if you want to bet Group C Morocco, I have no issue with that.
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Anthony De Bundo
Yep.
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Simon Hunter
Let's just get right after game one, Morocco plays Brazil right away. They are right now plus 450 on hard rock to win that game against Brazil. I love that. If you're kind of someone that wants to play it super safe though, soccer does give you half a point. So if you want to just play half a goal, they're min. They're plus one. Plus 130. So if you want to take plus point half, you know you're already up half a goal to start the game. So if they tie, you win on Morocco. You can do that. I think Morocco has a chance to beat this team out. Right. I love, love everything about this team. And plus 450 to start it off. I think they're able to catch this Brazil team sleeping. I love that. Value for our big balls. Better the week.
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Chad Millman
Chad, you're seconding it.
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Anthony De Bundo
Seconding, yeah.
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Chad Millman
Our big balls bet of the week presented by Hard Rock Bet. We like Morocco plus 450 against Brazil.
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CJ Toledano
You know what it takes?
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Chad Millman
It takes brass balls. We also like Morocco plus a half a goal plus 130, I think you said in the opening game. And we like a little taste on Morocco to win their group. Big balls. Bet of the week presented by Hard Rock Bet. Anthony, before we get out of here,
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Simon Hunter
golden, I have one question for Anthony too, before we let him go.
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Chad Millman
Oh, go ahead, ask your question.
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Simon Hunter
Okay. Where are you at with Norway? I love Norway. I'm all in. I'm all about the. The golden boot. Right. If you have the best striker in the game, you know, Norway, young team right there, you might look in there. Spy still four years away, which I would totally agree with. Right. They're very young, but I just love this whole movement of Norway's never been here before. They're in a group with Senegal and France, which is very tough, but I think that works their advantage. Right. I think France, they could steal a game against France. I could see France tying, potentially losing a Senegal as well. Like France is. No. Doesn't have an easy route either. I love the odds of Norway right now, people sleeping on them. I would love to hear your view on them. And what do you think their odds are making out of that group?
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Anthony De Bundo
Yeah, I, I do think they're going to get out of the group. I think all three will. I think part of that is, is a commentary on Iraq, who is one of the worst teams in the field. And really, if you just win one game, you get three points. As long as you don't get blown out in the other two games, like, you're going to be fine. So I ultimately think all three teams will. Will prioritize beating Iraq and then say, all right, we'll take our chances with the other team. Now, as far as, like, you know, Norway, the problem is, like, how do you bet them? Because, like, I don't think they have enough depth to win it. I think they're alive to Pull off an upset or two. So maybe it's like to make round of 16 to make quarterfinals. I also wouldn't bet Holland golden boot though, because again, they're probably not going to go that deep in the tournament. And like you're playing France and like, the group stage is usually where the golden boot is really decided because you can rack up goals against bad teams. But it's going to be hard for Norway to do that when they're playing France and Senegal. So I think, you know, maybe the best way to bet Norway would be like a round of 16 or quarterfinal. I do think they're a top 15 team, which is crazy given that they weren't even in the field four years ago. They didn't even make the Euros two years ago. But Holland, Odegaard, Sir Loth, like, they're, they've got a really fun attacking group. I think they're very live. And I also like Colombia to win their group over Portugal. They're like +250. And then Ecuador. Ecuador is my dark horse, Chad. I'm excited about the Ecuadorians. They're, they're an ugly but very, very, very gifted and elite defensive team. They are five to one to make the quarter, six to one and like, plus 175 to make the round of 16. Like, I think Ecuador is going to be the classic traditional team. Nobody wants to play in the knockouts. Everybody's gonna be like, how can we avoid Ecuador? Because that's going to be an absolute war. They took Argentina to penalties a couple years ago at the Copa America. Like, they're a really physical team, so they're gonna be tough out. And they're in a tough group too. They got Germany, they got Ivory Coast. Like, that's a. That's a. That's probably the second toughest group after France, Norway and Senegal.
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Chad Millman
All right, thank you. Anthony Debundo. Check him out over at the Ringer. He's going to join us next month to preview the World cup semifinals. That's our show. This has been Sharper Square, part of the Volume podcast network. Watch or listen on YouTube at Sharper Square. Like this video. Subscribe to the channel. Download some Spotify, Apple pods, wherever you get your pods. Rate, review, subscribe. Leave us. Five stars. Say whatever you want. Feedback is a gift. Until next time. Love you.
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Colin Coward
Bobby Moore led England up to the Royal box to receive the Jules Rimet cup and the winners medals. To be here as winners of the FA cup has often been described as the summit of a footballer's ambition. How much greater was the triumph they enjoyed. Now,
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Podcast Host (iHeart podcast intro)
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