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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Sharp or Square - NFL Week 5 Reactions and Early Week 6 Betting Leans - Cowboys-Jets, Commanders-Chargers, Texans-Ravens and more
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All right. Welcome to Sharper Square, presented by Hard Rock Bet.
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We are part of the Volume Podcast Network.
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This is the betting show that makes the squares sharper and makes the wise guys pay attention. I am Chad Millman. I am joined by my co host, my bff, my companion, my compadre professional better Simon Hunter. Hello. So I'm in.
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Chad.
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Oh, boy. Listen, I know you're feeling it Rough, rough beat for the Cardinals, which you were heavily invested in. I'm out of Survivor because I had the Rams in one pool and the Cardinals in another. We're going to dig into all of it. We had a lot of consternation and debate on this morning's show. Accusations of me being immature, being. Being nutless. You were not very nice to me. I'm going to chalk that up to you just being upset about going to see the Phillies last night. The games we discussed the most this week, but especially today, were betting on the Broncos against the Eagles, betting on the Saints against the Giants, betting on the Panthers against the Dolphins, betting on the Commanders against the Chargers, and betting on the jets against Dallas. All five of those teams were down double figures in. In four of those cases, down multiple touchdowns. At some point today, four of them came back to not only cover, but win. None of them were the New York jets, and only one of them was a team that we put in our final five. Unfortunately, we did put the jets in our final five. We will get to our early leans and entire review of how we did on all of our picks and your live comments from the chat in a sec. In case you missed it this morning, very quick announcement. We've run a totally free to play NFL pick' em contest for a few years in the previous iteration of this show. It's coming back, folks.
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I don't believe.
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Just continues. My, oh my, it's coming back. Thanks to our beloved sponsor, Hard Rock Bet, we can now announce the return of the contest. All new, totally free Sharper Square NFL Pick Them contest will launch very soon. I'm not giving the exact date yet. We need to figure out some final logistics before we can officially announce. Thanks for the patience. Stand by. All right, reminder. We had the Rams on Thursday night, so that's already an L. We were going in 0 and 1 today. We could be anything from 1 and 4 to 4 and 1. Instead, right now, we are 2 and 2. We have the Jags plus 3 and a half tomorrow morning. I mean, tomorrow night remaining. Boy, I wish I had been nutless and not put the Jags in the Final five. Because, man, we probably would have had one of the teams we left out, and we'd be sitting here three and two and really happy. Oh, Simon. First game. We're going to spend two minutes on this. Houston Texans, Baltimore Ravens. It was three and a half in the contest. It. It could have been 37 and a half and we still might have won. This game closed at Houston minus two and a half. Look, anything you want to say about this game? Anything before I ramble on? Because I feel like we kind of nailed this one. You had it at. Simon says at three and a half. Early. Early in the week. And it was no mystery.
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I know. I wish I could be happier. Simon says 2 0, but I'm legit dead inside. This is going to be a painful podcast.
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Well, let's. Let's talk about it right now. Because I don't like. Otherwise, you're just going to be, you know, challenging to communicate with, and people are going to wonder why. People are going to wonder why.
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Wonder why I'm dead right now.
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Yeah. Explain.
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Because the fix was in. I can't believe what. I just watched that Cardinals game. I don't even know if I can. Again, I don't know if I could talk about it yet because it's just ridiculous. Everything about that game between them. Saying he dropped the ball before he crossed the end. The end zone. The running back for the Cardinals, he dropped the ball into the end zone, and they said it wasn't a touchdown. And then they basically picked off Cam Ward and they said the guy possessed the ball and made a football move and fumbled the ball and they recovered it for a touchdown. Tennessee. All these things happened, and we lost our survivor pool, which I love survivor pools. And. Yeah, just insane. About to be up. What was it? It was gonna. I think it was 21 to 6. They were gonna score that touchdown. So it'd been 28 to 6 with like 10 minutes to go. And, yeah, Kyler Murray's a loser. Gannon's a loser. That's a loser organization. Cardinal fans. I feel so bad for you guys. Just losers. Top. Top to bottom. Embarrassing organization game. Ward, that was awesome for you, but my God, just losers. Cardinals, losers. Just. I can't believe the organization. Kyler. I would. I would literally release him today. Just. Guy puts up 21 points and then just looks disinterested for a whole second half. And he's just the worst. They're just the worst. So, yeah, I'm hurting right now.
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It's not fair. It's not fair. The Titans have been a conundrum for us for the past year and now five weeks where we've either avoided them, occasionally bet them, but generally tried to avoid them. We knew the tide was going to turn at some point. We really didn't think it was going to turn this week. Who knows if it's because Callahan stopped calling the plays. Who knows if it's because they went into Arizona, which leaves a gaping hole in any lead that is bigger than the Grand Canyon. And we know better than to ever bet on Kyler. And as a favorite, we thought we were a little bit safe betting on Kyler in Survivor as a big favorite. I know you're feeling it for reasons that have to do with betting and not just on Survivor. But yeah, like I had turned that game off. Like I, you know, I had it in the four box and then I turned off that one. I turned off Cincinnati. I left it on Seattle, which was amazing. And I left it on obviously the Commanders, which was amazing. All of a sudden I'm going into my phone and both of those games, the Bengals and the and the Titans have made it a game. Crazy, crazy day of football for them.
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Cardinals organization, you are. Losers fold. Don't exist anymore. Tomorrow. I hope I wake up tomorrow, they said. Yep, 31 teams. NFL. Arizona literally folded overnight. Good. Let it be done.
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I can't wait till we get our new segment. Who's the hero of the week and who's the goat of the week? I feel like I know exactly who you're going to go with. Houston, by the way, just to put a bow on it, because there's really not that much to say. There was one Drive where C.J. stroud was scrambling. It looked literally like he was taking a Sunday stroll. I think he kept waiting for someone to come hit him. No one ever did. He just sort of casually got bumped out of bounds. This was in the first half. They had 17 points midway through the second quarter, more than they average all year. 24, 24, 3 In the first half. I think the final score was 4,410. So, you know, good for us, good for the Texans. It was nice to get an easy win because the rest of the games were super, super challenging. The New York jets were plus two and a half against the Dallas Cowboys. There was a massive swing from when we recorded the show this morning and did it when I was in College park to when I landed back in Connecticut at noon. And all of a sudden the jets had gone from one and a half point underdogs to One and a half point favorites. That was because four of the five Dallas linemen, offensive linemen were announced as being out and Kevonte Turpin was out and Malik Hooker was out. So all of a sudden all this money swung and it turns out it just didn't matter because the jets are going to jet. I mean that was eerily, eerily similar to last week. Freakishly similar to last week.
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Yeah. But life and bad teams, they're a terrible team. I think it's 10 3. Was it breece Hall? I think it was. He's carrying the ball for first down again. 103 inside the 10 yard line. Yeah, with like 3, 3, 3 minutes to go. Probably 4 minutes to go in the half. Fumbles, Dak gets the ball, I think seven plays a minute, 30 off the clock, scores a touchdown. Just get the ball. It's like sack, sack.
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They get, they go, they go three plays, two yards punt.
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Yeah, that gets the ball back. Was it a run or a pass? And they scored touchdown.
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Like the next play they had a 68 yard draw, a one one missed tackle draw on by Javante Williams. And then they score in the next play to a wide open Jason Ferguson. The guy had four catches and two touchdowns in the first half. Like it was astonishing how pathetic they are.
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Yeah. I mean not as pathetic as Michael Bidwell, the principal owner of the Arizona Cardinals. Just fold, buddy. If you hear this fold up shop, it's over. But yeah, that was horrible experience. Like you said, we're dead at half. Like when you look at the score, I think it was from 103 to 20.
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23, 23, 23 to 3.
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Yeah, we're dead. So yeah, life betting bad teams at that. At that point I'm just like me and me and chatter, just overthinking it, cooking ourselves. That number got to minus two and a half the jets before kick. Like just an insane amount of steam came in on the jets and yeah, like you said, the jets are gonna Jets. That game easily could have won. Was in their grasp. They totally fell apart.
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They.
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Dak played well enough and yeah like we said, they're down four starters on the offensive line. Didn't matter. Put up 37 points I think didn't.
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Even get any pressure on Dak. Like he, he, he was so good against this jets defense. And the jets did the same exact thing. It was like they're down 10 3, they fumble the ball. Literally racing for the goal line. Breece hall had something like 81 yards on nine carries at the time of that fumble. Every Single drive. They were killing themselves on penalties. They had 10 penalties in the game. They had seven penalties in the first half. Every single time they made a good play, it went back and they made it. Had a penalty. You watch Aaron Glenn, and he gets so much praise from the announcers. This isn't how Aaron Glenn coaches. This isn't how Aaron Glenn teaches football at some point. Isn't it? Like, we keep saying the same thing every week. They keep making the same mistakes every week. Mark Sheriff. Mark Schlerith wasn't calling that game. He was calling the Panthers game, which we're going to talk about. But at some point, he says, you've got to master the stuff that takes no talent. And the jets can't even master the stuff that takes no talent, which is literally standing still before the ball is snapped. That's it.
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Yeah, they're just. They're terrible. Like that whole game, like you said, tons of penalties. They're just. It's. I feel bad for him. You're totally lost if you don't have a coach or a quarterback. You know, Justin Fields does his best. Like, those fumbles aren't on him, but those running backs are the ones that keep killing them here. But, you know, at the same time, when it's third and nine and the game matters, you don't feel confident when Justin drops back. So, yeah, tough. Tough bet, tough loss.
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He continues to be incredibly inaccurate. He just can't. He cannot convert on a play that is outside the numbers.
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No, but then again, you'll have other plays where you're like, you're spectacular. So it's tough with him. He's just so inconsistent.
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The Jets O line is kind of the one that looked like it was missing 80% of the starters. The Cowboys had five sacks. Do you know how many sacks the Cowboys had the entire year before the game started?
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2.
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5. They doubled their number in a single game. This was the best. This was the best. It was like fourth and a half yard at midfield for the jets, and they had been slicing through the Cowboys defense. They went for it instead of just running it straight ahead. They called a rollout. Two Cowboys shot both the gaps on either side of the center, basically met at. Justin Fields batted the ball that he could barely get to the line of scrimmage for an incomplete throw. It was an astonishing display of incompetence. Maybe beaten today only. By who?
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Arizona Cardinals.
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Formerly Arizona Cardinals. Maybe. Maybe. They took it. They took the victory right away from the New York Jets. All right, so the one game we did Put in that we did win of the teams that came back from double digit leads, deficits. I mean, it's our last one in. I'm not taking credit for it, but I can't. All I can say is that when it came down to the Broncos or the Commanders today, I said. Right when I was about to say Commanders, I said, I keep feeling. Right when I was about to say Broncos, I keep. I kept. I said, I keep feeling Commanders. So we went with it. And I'm not gonna lie, like midway through the second quarter, I'm like, ugh, we could be just sitting here and so comfortable. I could be relaxing, recuperating from my long parents weekend, and instead I got to sweat this team. And look, it did not look good in those first 20 minutes of football for the Washington Commanders.
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No, they got lucky. Let's. Let's be honest again, that's how it is. Unlucky, lucky they had. The turning point of the game was a punt from their own end zone. Lan McCon receives this said punt, takes it back 50 yards for a touchdown. Unfortunately for him is the end. Whoever it was tried to block the punt, hit the guy's plant leg, which I think is 15 yard penalty.
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Yeah.
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Gives. Gives them a first down Washington. And like we say, it's just all momentum rhythm. Like Daniels wasn't in rhythm for. For the first. Like you said, first 20 minutes. I think he was three of seven for like seven yards. Yeah, like something insanely like that. And you saw once he pushed the ball downfield, got rid of the nerves, which is. That's what makes him special is putting the ball downfield and using his legs. Legs weren't really there for him. Right. The brace you saw, it hampered him a little bit. So, yeah, I'm with you. For a couple of minutes there, it's like, why did we not just take Denver? Why didn't we not just take the Saints? We've taken a quarterback who hasn't played in two weeks with a giant knee brace that's down 10, nothing. But like we talk about all the time, the Chargers. It's the injury bug. Like, it hits teams and it just keeps hitting them throughout the game. They just kept dropping guys. It's crazy like how bad their luck is. And you know, by the third quarter, they're already down three more defensive players and their guard. So it's like, you know, Herbert, he made plays. Felt like every time he did make one penalty by the backups that are in the game and everything. Right. For the Commanders, we talked this week. You know, like you said, as Simon says, my whole view of it was these are the type of games you take positions on because they're long term winners. Just like the Jets. People are going to shit on us. It's no different. You're playing a number in a spot against a team that's overvalued by public perception. You can see how it can go. We could easily had two jets games today.
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Oh my gosh. So especially at the two and a half.
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Yeah. So that's why I like, you know, 2710. Did the commanders really beat them that bad? No, but the public is going to react to this now. Totally be out on the Chargers team and yeah, we'll see what's coming up this week. But yeah, this was a game I'm so happy we covered. Obviously the fans too. But yeah, we were in the same boat, Chad, that taking out Denver, taking out the Saints. I love them all. I didn't mind all three of them. You know, the only one I regret is I wasn't more confident the Saints. But people understand. I've been betting this thing for seven days and it's Spencer Rattler. And like I said, you're betting it while everyone else is in the world you talk to in my little world is telling me they're betting as well. And it's like, oh, shit, is it really this easy?
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Right? What am I missing easy?
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So yeah, that was one we definitely overthought and the morning. But yeah, I'm just really happy they both came through because I know how many people, especially fans, reached out and bet those, including Denver, which everyone bet as well.
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Yeah. So what was interesting about the Commanders to me was like you said, Jaden Daniels did not look right. They did it. They actually had a segment where they showed him changing his cleats. He was wearing a new set of cleats and he changed the cleats before that drive, after the fumble, which to me was the key play. And we're going to. I want to dive into that a little bit deeper later in the show.
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But after that conspiracy chat, I love this.
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After that fumble, you know, they're down 10, nothing. And Jaden Daniels, on the first three plays of that drive, he gets sacked. There's a, an incompletion and a holding penalty. So it's third and 16 and all of a sudden he just like, he throws a dart down the middle of the seam, right up the seam was like the exact throw. You need to get yourself in rhythm. Right. And they talked about it, like, even on the broadcast, I forgot who the announcers were. But on the broadcast, they talked about how you just need to see one go in, right? And Jaden Daniels had talked about just needing to see one go in. I think he saw that one go in. And after that, it was like again and again and again. They drove down the field for the touchdown. Then they get the recovery, they get the, The. The bounce back after the penalty. He throws that beautiful ball to Luke McCaffrey and then another one to Debo Samuel. They get the field goal. All of a sudden, it's tied. I gotta tell you, like this. Jacore, Klusky, Crosby, Merrick Guy, him and Jaden Daniels. What was interesting to me is it looks like someone is right about to tackle him. It's like out of a cartoon, someone is about to grab these guys and all of a sudden they're gone. Like they're just grasping at air. And both of them, on that opening drive of the second half where he had like 44 yards and a touchdown on the opening drive, Jacori did they just look so fast? It's. It's. It's amazing to me. And that next series was the one for the Chargers where Trey Pipkins, the right tackle who had gone out, came back in. Justin Herbert makes two great throws to McConkey, and Nikki and Allen both get called back because of penalties on Trey Pick Vins. And that. That was it. Like, even with the penalty, even with the fumble by Crosky Merritt in the middle in the. In the fourth quarter, you didn't get the feeling like the Chargers had enough gas to get back in the game?
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No, it was just. Everything was going wrong. Like you said. Just he. Herbert kept making plays and it was stupid penalties. And then, you know, even on his pick, it was really stupid. But it's just, once again, bad luck. Pressure that probably wouldn't be facing if he had some bodies. But even watching Washington, the fear for me in this game was they. Their corners are some of the slowest in football. Like, if you dive into the numbers, they grid out as incredibly slow in coverage. And you saw that, like, yeah, there was multiple times that even Keen Allen streaking just wide open, breaking off his routes where, you know, they had their opportunities. But we try not to read too much into it. Trust the number, trust the spot. And yeah, this was a really, really, like you said, ugly game to start, but people saw why we wanted to take it. Just, the Chargers are not the same team they were three weeks ago. It's just a Battered team just trying to survive right now.
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Well, look, you saw some. At some point in the second quarter, the rush just started getting to Justin.
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Herbert, like five times.
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Yeah, they were in his grill constantly. It's like they started to bring extra pressure. They knew where to bring the pressure. The Chargers just had no chance. You feel bad because we've seen this game many, many times for the Chargers. Okay, two and two. I think the best we would have been today right now would be three and two, because I don't think either of us were going to talk ourselves out of betting the New York jets at plus two and a half. It was our brass balls. Either way we were betting it. It's just a question of would we have replaced the Jags or with one of these games if we hadn't replaced the Commanders and the Broncos? Like, somehow we were going to end up with two losses today. So I know we could say we were going to be Form 1, but I think we really were going to be either 3 and 2 right now or 2 and 2. Agree or disagree?
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Yeah. No, we would have been 3 and 2. The reason I'm not that I made you put the Jags in, it's like, you know, my view of it was that was your baby. Like, if you had, say you had loved Denver and you were pounding the table for him, obviously I'd have been like, okay, we'll go Denver. But you didn't have that this week. The only real team was the Jag. So I still like it. The only thing I'm worried about now is, like, literally all my early reads came through today. Like, I think I went 11 and two, my personal bets against the spread. And obviously I'm with you on the Jag, so I hope it's going to come through. My initial read was the Chiefs, so I'm on it. I believe in the Jags. Believe in the number. I still think we got a good number. It lands right on three. So I'm. I'm still confident. We go three and two.
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Well, let's be confident together. We. We left out Denver. Denver closed at four and a half. We got. I think we got a little nervous about it today because it got down to three and a half and then got bet back up to four and a half. And so to me, that was sort of not believing in Bo Nicks, being a little bit nervous about the late money coming in, not thinking it was just public money. At least that's the indication I got.
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And so just a bonix thing.
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Yeah, it was.
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I Love the spot. I love the number. We've been talking about fading this Eagles team that just. Something's not right with them offensively. They're a little overvalued in the market. And yeah, another game where I think they, like you said, double digit. They're 17 to 3.
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Yeah. In the fourth quarter.
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Yeah.
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In their history. In their history, by the way, I think there was a stat. The Denver Broncos, in their history, went down four touchdown, two touchdowns to start the fourth quarter, one and 121.
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Yeah. So it was a wonky day. I know it's just a. It's just a wild day. And that's why, like, again, rush, we are three and two, senior, two and two. I'm still, still happy with that. Just. Just keep surviving.
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By the way, I don't want to gloss over this one thing with the jets. Guess who is 0, 24 when playing a team that scores 21 points or more.
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Justin Fields.
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Justin Fields. We had talked. I felt like this was the Eagles game where everything that had been going their way and masking all of the issues they've had finally sort of came to roost against a Broncos defense that really kept this team in the game the entire game. Right. Because like starting the second half with a wheel route touchdown to Saquon, it looked like the Eagles were just going to start rolling because they had played okay in the first half, but all of the luck that had gone their way completely evaporate, evaporated. And that was especially true in the very end. I thought in the second half, they went five plays after the touchdown. Five plays, 23 yards, punt, three plays, minus 11 yards, punt, three plays, -6 yards, punt, three plays, 2 yards, punt. Peyton put Bo Nix in fantastic positions, like easy throws, not risky throws, mostly short throws, long drives. Six plays, 72 yards, 11 plays, 50 yards. They kind of dinked and dunked. But it helped that the Eagles kept committing penalties. And the luck definitely caught up to the Broncos. The Eagles had a great call to complete a long pass downfield to Devonta Smith called back for a legal shift. 15 total yards of offense in the fourth quarter. A clear intentional grounding that wasn't called on Bo Nix to keep a drive alive. Like it all went bad for the Eagles in that fourth quarter.
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Yeah, no, it was a bad game. Painful to watch too, as an Eagles fan, but something's just not right with Saquon. I think he had six carries for 30 yards. And it's like, yes, there's no excuse if you're up 70, 17 to three heading into the fourth quarter and he only has six carries. So yeah, injuries to the offensive line and you know, thought hurts actually played pretty well. Obviously disappeared in the second half. But like you just read the stats like they just were not in sync, couldn't get in a rhythm and they had dumb penalties. So Eagles media will probably be worried as a fan don't care. It's October 5th. Okay. They lost the Denver. It was December 15th and our offense is still putting up a pedestrian 17 points at home against that Denver defense which they were passing the ball at will against them to start the game. There'll be major issues, but I think you know, the O.C. if this continues, he'll be fired. It's a guy that has no. He's got nothing to back him. He's. He's a friend of the head coach that took a stand, gave him a good job and you know, there again it's not working right now, but I still think it's too early. So. Yeah, sucks to lose that game but honestly, more excited about my Cowboys divisional bet which was dead and now has just a hint of life because the Eagles, they could have some serious problems going forward where Dallas, they have an easier schedule. They can win some of these ugly games like they have. So I would say as an Eagles fan, it's probably the only really worry right now. But overall, I think, you know, once they get Saquon right, that offensive line right. They'll be fine come late December.
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Yeah, it's. Look, the Eagles heading into the day were 20 and one in their past 21 games, including the playoffs. They are a team that will figure it out. They've got all the pieces. There's clearly something not clicking right now with the offense and it caught up to them today and now they can sort of. They have to walk away. They have to be intellectually honest about what's been happening and they can't sort of rely on, oh, we just fixed this. We just fixed that. They're not doing well. The luck ran out. Now they need to figure out, okay, how can we actually get back to executing getting Saquon in the game. Being offensively minded, not offensive. Do you like that? I'm just trying to make you smile. I like. I can sense how down. Thank you. I appreciate it. Well, not the fact, not the first time I heard that. Listen, Miami Carolina, we won that one. Rico Dowdell. 260 yards, 170 yards on the right side. No kidding. So Miami just cratered like they, they stopped scoring for basically two and a half quarters. And then they gave Bryce Young a chance to Bryce Young and come back and win this game. And it was glorious. It was everything that's great about Bryce Young and why we love betting him. When we actually decided to bet him in the exact right spot we. Which we're only doing in prudent and thoughtful ways. When we're betting the Carolina Panthers.
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Yeah. And I was cursing his name, I won't lie. When it's 17 nothing. It's like I should have known, should have known not to back Bryce here. But yeah, like you said, he definitely came back, made the throws. But this was a Miami loss. Waller, I don't get it. Like, this guy comes back, he looks like an all pro tight end. He's getting whatever he wants. That's why they're up 17 nothing and they just go away from them. Very bizarre game plan in the second half by Miami. And yeah, Panthers won this game by Miami. Like, like most of these teams, like the Eagles too. Like, these teams lose these games. Like, so Miami, tough, tough loss. But you know, they know the deal. They're a bad team. Like, they just, they're secondary. There was a point there. They're saying these guys names and they're secondary. It's like I've never even heard of these guys, which is just, yeah, brutal because it's like I didn't even hear them coming out of college. So, yeah, you know, Miami, not that they needed this win, but it felt like their coach did where it's like if he can string together a couple wins, maybe his job will be a little safe because they do have an easy schedule. But you look at it go, well, they're easy schedule. They're part of that easy schedule. For other teams, they're just a bad team. So, yeah, another game that we should have been more confident on. But it was never going to be one of my five favorite bets this week.
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Well, not when we had the New Orleans Saints minus one and a half staring us in the face and the line jumped to two and a half before kickoff. So we were still getting a good number. As you said, we were leaking confidence. I was leaking confidence because it's Spencer Rattler and it's the Saints as a favorite. Even though from the beginning a week ago, this time I'm like, why are we not going to bet the Saints as underdogs? And then they became short favorites when Jackson Dart has played one game. And look, Jackson Dart proved to be a rookie. Like they got up 14 nothing and then the Saints, like, they kept fighting. They kept fighting, they kept fighting. Jackson Dart looked really good for about 15 minutes of this game, maybe 20 minutes of this game. And then all of a sudden like the Saints did what they've been doing all year. They just kept themselves quietly in the game and then they just freaking dominated and truly turned Jackson Dart into a pumpkin again.
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Yeah, I thought like you said, Jackson Dart actually didn't play terribly. Like there's, if you're a Giants fan, there's still things to be excited about for this team. But you saw that, you know he's going to make those really, really stupid mistakes like that, that fumble. Yeah, that fumble just totally shifted that game and it was so inexcusable. But another game that, you know, I think they were down 14 to three or 14, six. And Spencer Raller, like we talked, I couldn't believe it when I dove into the numbers and like saw that he was. A lot of websites had him graded as like the 18th to 17th best quarterback in football. Which again, I know that's not crazy high, but the NFL is so hard, right?
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It's not 32nd.
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Right. It's like I couldn't believe that. It's like, oh my God, Keller Moore is making this work. I saw that there's a little, a little bit underrated potential in the Saints team, but didn't see that coming. They, they, they blew them out in the second half. Really dominated them. And yeah, 20, 26, 14 I think was the final score. So another game when it finished, relief happy it hit. But like you, I was like, damn, probably should have stuck to it. Had in the contest. That was a stressful game, but also a unique spot, no brainer type of bet. Where like we said they were. They looked like they were more desperate and they looked like they had a quarterback that's taken, you know, what was that? His 10th start. So again, hadn't won any of the previous 10. Finally won this one. And yeah, now we can go back to the Saints being big dogs and get them at a good number.
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So look, Jackson Dart. The first couple series, nine of 12 for 75 yards, two touchdowns. Saints are down 14 to six. The rest of the game he had 125 yards and two picks and that included when they were down and having to throw the ball and, and a sort of runaway win that started with Jackson Dart basically just the ball slipping out of his hand on a fumble to start the second half. And that's when they all started to look like rookies. Right as excited as everybody is about Cam Scatterboo and Jackson Dart, they're missing Malik neighbors they don't really have. They don't have offensive weapons. You can't put literally the game in the hands of two rookies and expect to come out and not lose leads. They both fumbled and they both led to mistakes that were killers in terms of the final score and putting the Saints over the top and giving the win. Good for Spencer rattler, including his 87 yard touchdown pass. So really great. Just loved it, that one. Like even though we didn't have it in, I was just glad because we. I know how much you bet it. I know how much I bet it. So loved it. Totally.
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Like Spencer or Baker, like two QB's today that really showed up in a big way for me betting wise. And I'm sure their fan base was the same way of like they probably shouldn't have won the way they did. And both teams, yeah, had incredible quarterback playing again. Spencer made some big time throws. So yeah, like that's, that's got to feel pretty good that you know this kid keeps improving again because he hears the noise they're taking for whatever it was Arch Manning week ones like think how stupid that sounds now looking back.
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I know, right?
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It's. It's a unique spot now for the Saints. Can they build momentum here or was just a one off fluke. So yeah, I'm excited to see what they end up being for the next couple weeks.
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All right. By the way, that box, that great call by you on the box, great game.
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That was a fun game.
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A Mecca Buka and Jackson Smith and Jigba. That was. Anything you can do, I can do better. Like they were just going up and down the field, up and down the field. They must like. Good for them. Good for Ohio State receivers. That was high quality play. Poor Sam Darnold before that interception. 2732 for 320 something and four touchdowns. Like he was almost perfect only to be Bakered. He got Baker.
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Yeah.
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And it was a phenomenal game.
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All time game.
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Oh man. All right, let's hear from Hard Rock then we're gonna come back. We got some, some goats, we got some heroes. We're gonna get to the leans and your comments, all that stuff. Today's show was brought to you by.
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All right, Simon, I know. I know who your shame on you is. Before we get to yours, I'm gonna. I'm gonna name a couple and then I'm gonna give you my ultimate answer. Okay? Before we get to.
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Shame, shame, shame.
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On you, one I was gonna give it to Terry and Arnold, Detroit Lions cornerback who every week has some pass interference or defensive holding call. Only today it happened to come on a play where Jake Browning had gotten sacked in the end zone by Aiden Hutchinson and it would have been a safety. He got bailed out by the fact Jake Browning two plays later threw a touchdown so or through interception. So he does not get to be shamed. Shamed. Shamed. I was going to give it to Cliff Kingsbury because when the Commanders were buried in their own half of the field just outside their end zone at the end of the first half, instead of running the ball when the Chargers were clearly not calling their timeouts, he decided to throw the ball, which led to the punt from the back of the end zone that was returned by lad McConkey. Only they got lucky because of the roughing the punter. And then Jay Daniels bailed everybody out with these brilliant throws to Luke McCaffrey and Deebo Samuel. Are you ready? Are you ready for my absolute shame? Shame. Shame of the week.
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What are the rules here? I feel like you've just given out six shames.
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No, no. These were. These were what could have been. But they were. They were bailed out. I'm giving you a shame. That was not bailed out the jets entire defense. You alluded to it earlier. Okay. In the sort of sandwich touchdowns between the jets ineptitude on offense. This is what it would look like for the jets. With 41 seconds left in the half, the jets gave up a 68 yard draw to Devonte Williams. The Cowboys scored a play later. Combine that with the drive just prior for the Cowboys which started with two minutes left from their own 10 yard line. They got down the field in 63 seconds and scored a touchdown. The 14 points the Cowboys scored on the woeful Jets. They're not even trying defense in 1 minute 35 seconds and they gained 143 yards. That was. There was no coaching. There was no trying. There was no fire. There was no strategy. There was no effort. There was no thinking. There was no. There was no consequences. There was no understanding of what they were facing. There was just quit. Plain old quit by the New York Jets. That shame, shame, shame.
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Yeah, I'll say.
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It's hard for me to know where you're gonna go with this.
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I'll just be quick. Arizona. Shame. Get him out of my country. They let them become the. I don't even know. Should we send them to Mexico? Should be Mexico City Cardinals. Just get them out of America. They no longer. They should. Shouldn't be here. I just can't get over how bad that game was. And then I fell Offician. NFL officiating in that game. Shame. Just the whole thing. It's shame, shame, shame.
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Now I get it. I feel for you, brother. I do. I know you can't. You can barely pontificate on this one. I'm gonna give you a chance to find some joy in the week. Because I do have a hero. Someone who pulled victory for us from the jaws of defeat. Someone who made it so we could be two and two with the hand wringing and consternation that we have when we go into these weeks. I thought about rico Dowdle, gained 206 yards. I thought about Spencer Rattler who got his first ever win. But I'm going with Quan Martin. Do you know who that is?
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Have you ever hit the Quan?
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Well, Quan hit the Quan today because the Washington commander's safety forced Quinton Johnston's Fumble in Commander's territory, that there was no doubt the Chargers were going to go up 17 nothing in that game. And then it was basically a dead bet. And then we're basically one and three on the day. And instead of having, like, every game that we won, you mentioned, you know, you're 11 and 2 on your sides for the day. I think I'm like six and one on my sides for the day. The only game I lost, the New York Jets. And it would have been much, much uglier if Quan Martin had enforced that fumble to get the Commanders back on the road to victory. Yay, Kwan.
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My hero of the day will be my mother. Today's her birthday.
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Come on.
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Love you, Mom. Shout out to all the moms.
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Oh, that's beautiful. That's nice of you.
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I'm sorry I was never born.
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I'm glad your mom doesn't listen to the podcast. I know your dad listens to the podcast because your dad is a faithful and devoted retweeter every single time I put out a link. And I'm hoping your mom, you know, I know she doesn't feel that way about you at all. All right, before we get to some, let's. Let's do some comments really quickly because we do have some people basically feeling the same way as you. Uh, Bigness wants to know, should we make the Cardinals stay on the field so everyone can throw trash at them until they get too tired to continue?
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No, it's too nice. You gotta get. We should get a herb out there, make them skate from blue line to blue line. And they keep asking them what team they play for. Those bitches bring out, bring in the ice. I'm sick of them.
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Everybody on that line. Somebody's going to get hurt again. I've actually never seen you react like this. You're always like, it's just betting. It's just football. Try to be a professional. Remember this? It wasn't even, like, 12 hours ago when you were like, dude, you're so immature.
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I called you an amateur, but you were being immature as well. I'm glad you agree.
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Oh, amateur. Yeah, well, I thought it was immature. It was the Philly in you. Here's a question from Donald, which I think is important. We talk a lot about late money. Why do we care so much about late money?
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Well, Mr. President, it's a big deal. All right, Don. The late money to me, scares me. It's good in some ways, but in a lot of ways, it scares me because it's the dopey Public play the pros. Almost all my work is done by 5:00am I mean, I'm still doing stupid shit and betting on info because I can't help myself. I'm a degenerate. But that money today, that came in that late on the jets, that's people following the wave and the bookmakers having to move that line to adjust to it because, you know, Schefter puts out a tweet or whoever it was of all these guys that are out, they have to protect themselves against it because that's some real money coming in. Some legit pros might come in and they might like that side. But yeah, for me, the most interesting part of the lines that don't move, like that commander's line sitting at two and a half all week at two of the most public books in America. That's pretty telling, usually. So that stuff's more what I'm looking for when I see the pros or the books are holding on a line. And, you know, like I always say, certain books will move a half a point on a $10,000 bet from respected, better, and they won't budge on $10 million from the public. So that stuff really does matter. So I hope people know we're just not talking out of our asses. There's a lot of stuff, you know and you hear and you see going on that dictates where that money's going and why it's moving the numbers the way it is.
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All right, let's talk about some early leans for next week. I know you're sick to your stomach. You probably don't even want to think about having a bad.
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I'm looking right now at all. It looks horrible to me. I'm just like, all I see is pain. This is so good. I can keep going. I mean, that's what sucks. It's like, we had a great week. We're freaking two and two. It's ridiculous.
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Well, listen, we got the Jags tomorrow night, and so who's. Who's ever felt bad betting the Jags at plus three and a half at home? Gage is saying, shouldn't Seattle plus one be a must bet next week? They're actually at the Jags, one one point underdogs some places, one and a half at the Jags, Seattle. Any thoughts on that yet?
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Agree.
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Is it terrible of me to say, oh, my God, look, the Cleveland Browns are four and a half point underdogs on the road at the Pittsburgh Steelers. And if there's ever been a time you want to fade The Pittsburgh Steelers. It's when they are favorites and at home in the division against the Cleveland Browns.
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Interesting line. It's. It's +5 right now at Hard Rock. And I agree. I can't believe it's that inflated. Maybe it's the. I'm sure I don't have some amazing trends. Maybe it's the whole. No rest. Traveling back from England could play a game on the road against a team that's coming off a bye week. There must be some. Because that. Why is that not three and a.
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Half like it should be Three, like.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Based on everything. Right. It should be a three division.
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Everything about this division. So I agree with the early read. I'll grab the Plus 5. But there's definitely something fishy going on with that game.
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How big is too big for the Cincinnati Bengals? They are 14 and a half point underdogs on the road against the rested Green Bay Packers.
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In another life, that was going to be the survivor pick. Green Bay.
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I know.
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I don't know, Chad. You're the one that keeps believing in this guy. What's his name? Browning.
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Jake Browning. I kind of lost my faith today, too. Too many times. Too many times. He was throwing too many bad passes from the back of the end zone.
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I know, like four weeks to figure that out.
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It's his team putting him in a bad spot. But geez Louise. Like, Jamar Chase is getting frustrated. I know he made a great catch today from the touchdown. And they tried. They tried to make it close, but this team is this team. And so to me, it's sort of a past. They're becoming the Tennessee Titans. For me, I'm hard. It's hard to bet against them, but I don't think I can bet on them no matter what the number is. And I know.
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I mean, I know if I'm betting against a trend that's 20 and 1, which is exactly what I did. Ben against the Bengals today. You know, it's a train wreck right now for them because it's like they were in the spot of spots and still didn't matter. They're just absolutely terrible in every facet of the game right now.
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Listen, the Arizona Cardinals are plus five and a half at Indianapolis next week. We know Kyler's great when he's on the road too soon.
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Yeah, I mean, that's. This. This land line will be taken down. The Colts are lucky. They have a bye week now because Cardinals won't exist. So it doesn't matter what the line is. No, that was that was the only other game I got a little pissed off at you about was the Colts. How do we not. How do we miss that one where it's like, I love that game. We were bet into it. This feels like another cold spot. The Colts are a good team and they're biggest shit and they push their weight around and if you make mistakes like Kyler should, this is a bad spot. So I think Kyler left for a minute because he had a foot injury. My early position Hard Rock right now in jersey is minus 5 on the Colts super public line. I'll take it because if he's out, if Murray is and it's Jacoby, I don't even remember their backup was. I know he came in the game. It's. It's bad. Like that's a really bad spot. For as much should I want to give Kyler still a great athlete and he could give problems to the Colts. Jacoby Brissette cannot give those problems. That guy's a statue. So, yeah, this is an interesting number. I'm going to take the early nine with the public on the Colts minus five.
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All right, so Colts is one. We're looking at Cleveland is one. We're looking at Cleveland plus four and a half on the road at Pittsburgh. Seattle is interesting. We don't know enough yet about Jacksonville.
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The trappiest line right now. There's two insanely trappy lines.
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Which one?
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Tampa is minus three right now at home against the 49ers. What is that number? What are we doing here? Why are we not putting our life savings on Baker and the Bucks at home minus three. Like lightning striking twice for Mac Jones. He's going to go on the road and beat.
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Well, do we know that Brock Purdy isn't playing next week?
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I'd be shocked.
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That's what that line. That's what that line says to me is that we think Brock.
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That's a weird number to open that and Chiefs Detroit, it's opened right now. Hard Rock minus one on the Chiefs. That will be the biggest public dog of the year. Not even close to any other side. Everyone hammer in Detroit. Yeah, yeah, they're the.
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To me, people are going to have.
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Them powered as number one team of football right now. That's sports media. Cannot wait to dethrone the Eagles and put the Lions up at number one and just say week one was a fluke. They've dominated three straight weeks. So yeah, that's. That's a game I'm circling right now where it's like I Want to bet Detroit as a dog right now just in case the Chiefs do lose like they think. We think there's a possibility they can lose tomorrow night. Why not take Detroit, Chiefs lose, we get Chiefs plus two and a half. Maybe we can find a middle. But I'd rather be on the Chiefs of the dog than I'd open to the Chiefs right now at a favorite. I wouldn't. Chiefs the favorite right now.
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I was going to say I'm just going to wait and see what happens because I'd rather have the chance just to bet at the Chiefs. I don't know. Like. Sure.
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Like 20 tomorrow. There's no chance this gets up to two. There's no world the Chiefs are minus two. If they are. If the Chiefs are minus two and a half, good for us. Yeah. Guarantee they're in our contest next week.
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Right.
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So I, I just can't see the Chiefs moving more of a favorite. I think this is a. This is a dog line for the Detroit to bet right now.
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All right, so we're going to dig in a little bit more deeper on Tuesday. Quickly review. Simon says was Ravens plus three and a half and Commanders plus two and a half. We did two this week because the line had moved so much on the Ravens. Chad loves the Jags plus three and a half. Brass balls. Jets plus two and a half. Lost that one. Rock and a hard place. We had the Broncos and the Eagles. We liked the Broncos. It was a tough call. Sharp versus Square. This isn't going to cheer you up, but you are the Saints and I are the Jets. Our favorite parlay meaning betting on the betting a parlay on the faves. We had the Cardinals, no. Bills, we don't know yet. Lions, yes. Seahawks, no. Colts, yes. So not a lot of winners out of that one. Underdog parlay. Panthers, yes. Jets, no. Commanders yes. Jags. Don't know Browns. So got one more shot with the Jags to pair a couple of winners. Survivor was the Arizona Cardinals. We are dead. Final review. We had the Rams on Thursday night. Lost it. We had the jets today. Lost. We won with the Texans. We won with the Commanders. We've got the Jags plus three and a half remaining tomorrow night. This has been Sharp or Square presented by Hard Rock Bet. We are part of the Volume podcast network. We will be back with our next Sharper Square on Tuesday to go over the entire NFL slate. Watch or listen on YouTube at Sharper Square like this video. Subscribe to the channel. Download us from Spotify, Apple pods.
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