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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Sharp or Square - NFL Week 8 Recap and Early Week 9 Bets - Cowboys-Broncos, Jets-Bengals, Giants-Eagles, Niners-Texans and more
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Hello Simon hey, what's up, brother?
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Well, look, we're feeling good because it was kind of a drama free day. One one score game today. Going back to Thursday night so far. One one score game. The New York Jets, Jets, Jets, Jets. They got in the win column. The Dolphins were redeemed. The Bills avoided a trap. None of those games were in our final five, Simon. However, our record on the day is three and one. We had the Texans at plus one. We liked them up to two and a half. That's where it landed. We had the Patriots minus six and a half. We liked them at seven. That's where it landed. We had the Giants plus seven and a half. That is a bummer. And we had the Broncos minus three and a half. No sweat. We have the Steelers at plus three and a half tonight against the Packers. Last what's in last games in today? I think we're kind of the Pats and the Giants and the last ones out I think were the Saints, the Jets and I guess the Ravens. We'll talk about all of these games. We're going to get to our early, we early leans for week nine and we'll get to some viewer questions and comments as well as we dig in. But let's, let's kick it off with that New England game. Like I said, we had the Patriots minus six and a half. Here's how it came down to New England for me. I was stretching this morning. This one was my arm rotation for my frozen shoulder. And it just occurred to me, we've been talking about the Patriots all week and we had been bouncing around between a bunch of seven point games and I just thought to myself, Dylan Gabriel cannot score touchdowns in this game. He absolutely will not be able to score. I don't care about anything else. We ended up putting them in. It was against the wise guys because this line had moved to six and a half in a lot of places. The last thing I said this morning before we made the pick. I believe the Browns are susceptible to big plays. I feel like our overall analysis on this nailed it. I can't believe it took us so long to commit to it.
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Yeah, I would say your confidence probably wasn't this level at half. It was looking.
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It was frustrating.
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It was frustrating. The exact type of game that the professionals do bet where it's like the Browns basically pulled the Patriots into the mud, got a really fluky opening drive, touchdown. And we were sweating because it's like May was just making bad plays, bad decisions and they kept giving them opportunities like you said the way to attack that Browns team is definitely through the air in the secondary. Right. They're tough to run against, but they had a bunch of opportunities passing. And second half, May got comfortable. Totally different. Like you saw him do. What he should do is move the ball down the field. And what we talked about all week, Gabriel is just not a starting quarterback, let alone on the road in a hostile environment like that. So he looked good on that opening drive, but other than that, yeah, that was. That was a really good bet. And yeah, glad. Glad that we stuck with it because it was a type of game that if it was minus seven and a half, probably would have missed it. Honestly, the only reason I really loved it was because it was minus six and a half and minus seven. It's like, well, those are good numbers. Could we land on a push? We could, of course, but no, we leaned into it and yeah, no doubter that we're clearly a better team today. The Patriots.
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Well, Dylan Gabriel, by the way, the first drive looked like he had been playing for 10 years. Three for three, 100 yards, touchdown. And it's funny you mentioned halftime. So in the first half, Miles Garrett had three sacks and a forced fumble, and he had five sacks on the day. And I kept looking at this game and the Patriots went in at halftime up nine, seven. And I actually wasn't that anxious. I said to myself, they're one touchdown away from covering this and I don't think the Browns can score again the rest of the day. And we have Mike Vrabel, who was so freaking good. And that first drive, coming out of halftime, very first drive, he. They started the second half, Miles Garrett could not be stopped. Right. So what did they do? They had a trick play that ran counter to the rush. They were rolling away from Miles Garrett. They were pit. They were pitching the ball on runs that cut inside the lanes where the rushers were coming upfield. It was the perfect drive. No penalties, seven plays, 77 yards, five runs, two passes. Can't sack if you don't drop back. And that's exactly what they did. And then all of a sudden they get aired out like they had multiple plays. The next drive, I think they had another touchdown. It was two plays of 20 plus yards, including 40 yard touchdown bass to Keyshawn Booty, Drake May's favorite player. So just awesome. They were awesome. I love them. I love Drake May.
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No, it was great, but great win.
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Good for us. Very good for us. By the way, the one thing I want to say, because we talk about Dylan Gabriel after that, after that 3 for 3 start, I think he had like 19 total yards or something like that.
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It was really.
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Yeah, it was insane. After the first drive, he was. He was. After the first drive, 19 plays, 43 yards after starting 6 for 70 in the first half. So good for us. Good for the Patriots. New York football Giants crushing. I mean, this is our last one in. We were sort of. We didn't know what to do. We took out the Ravens, obviously, because of all the Lamar stuff. And we're gonna, we're gonna get to that. We didn't buy out of it and we actually said in the show we're sticking with it, but we did. We decided not to put it into the contest. Like, we decided to go with this one because of injuries to the Eagles across The, you know, A.J. brown, plus in the secondary, plus on the defensive line and the offensive line for the Eagles. And then Cam Scatterboo, like, it kind of took the air out for me. It felt like after that it was a little bit of a dead bet.
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Yeah. Honestly, I watch every second of that game. The refs were just terrible.
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Like, terrible.
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The game flipped, in my opinion, on that tush push, which, yes, the announcer said, this isn't the end zone. This should not be. If you reach forward with the ball and you are still. That's momentum. You're moving forward, your hands are moving forward with the ball. It can get punched out. Like, you're not down and your momentum's not stopped. So that was that game of the Saints game. The Saints had a really lucky. Like the Bucks had a touchdown on a rain on Whistleblue. So they brought the Bucks back.
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A defensive Winfield ran into the end zone three different times today on three different plays, all of which the whistle blew before the play was over.
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Just ridiculous though. Like it's in these Eagles game, like these refs need to swallow these whistles. Like we complain all the time, but it is ridiculous. So that was absurd. Like just every little thing felt like a wedding.
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Just to set the scene that was in the first half, the game was still very close.
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It was seven at this point.
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It was seven. Seven. The Eagles Saquon Barkley had that 65 yard run and the Giants went right back down and scored. They looked fantastic. Like Jackson Dart was slinging the ball and like looked really comfortable and their defense was playing well and they get that fumble. Kayvon Thibodeau on Jalen Hurts and the rest blew the whistle and the Eagles score a touchdown after that.
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Yeah. And then like there's still a bunch of opportunities too where the Giants were in the game. Like they had a long touchdown, got called back, so the guy got pushed off. When they're clearly hand fighting it just. You're going to have games that just go against you like that with the refs. Like we just couldn't get any calls our way. All the key moments went the other way. And once again, Jalen hurts playing really well. Like he just killed us in this game. Like a couple of big throws where it's like he's just. When he's on there, it doesn't matter. There's no AJ Brown in that type of game. Like when he was on, he was hitting guys deep all over the field. Like we talked about the run game, you know, Saquon gets hurt, the backup comes in, Tanks Bigsby, I think he rushes for 100 yards. So the Giants just got rolled. Bad bet and just brutal on a day where like we've talked about, we got pretty much every game right? One of the games we put in, like, I think we both agree looking back, why do we not just put the Colts in over the Giants or whatever it may be. Those always, those always hurt you. Where, you know, kind of hated the Giants and we ended up on it anyway and we got burned.
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Yeah, that one was really disappointing. There was a play, the Giants were keeping it close. They were down early in the fourth. They're down 24 13. Eagles have a second and 31. Brian Burns had just gotten a second sack in the game. They give up a 31 yard run to Tank Bigsby. To Tank Bigsby.
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Yeah. For the first time, not even Saquon.
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Not even Saquon. Like that was a backbreaker. And then even right after that, they scored a touchdown. And then even down 31 13, because it's a seven and a half point spread, the back door is sort of always open. Right. And the Giants nearly made it close. You're talking about that long touchdown pass from Jackson Dart. I can't remember who the receiver was. It was a great play. It was total hand fighting all the way down the field. And the refs called the pass interference. Opi called it back. That's sort of the ball game. Brian Daboll at that point was so apoplectic like, and like it was so funny because he didn't know what to do. And he just took his headphones and just shoved them on top of his head as hard as he could. And it looked like they were like squeezing his face. Like his face was so puffy and red and angry and he's just squeezing the headphones. He was so mad. I do wonder, are the refs gonna have to do like is there going to be a call from the league about these whistles? Because it happened in a few different games. It happened, it happened in the Cowboys game, in the Cowboys Broncos game as well. So that was. And it's weird that it happened multiple times today and everybody was noticing it. So that's going to have to be. I think that's going to be a conversation from the league this week.
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I still like the idea that now that New York is involved and we're so openly about New York making calls for the refs. Yeah, give them one universal challenge every coach gets to make that they challenge a call on the field no matter what the rule is, whatever it is that it can be overturned, which I'm talking like pass interference, those type of plays where the west will blew a play dead. Like it's the momentum, all of it, it just changes so much dramatically. I remember they tried having that challenge with the PIs a couple years ago after that Rams Saints game and it didn't work because it was the refs working in collusion to get rid of the rule because they were just so mad. I think it was like a 20, 20% overturn rate. It was like dead on arrival. So they got to figure out something. It just. If New York is going to be involved, let's just get it right. Like we always say, no one would complain if we just got it right. And that's what. That's all. At the end of the day we want like it's. It cleans up a lot of the game when the refs are changing the game so much. It should just one challenge a game. That's all we ask where you can challenge one call on the field.
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I don't know why you'd limit it to a challenge. I think they should expand the rule of what can be overturned by the officials and they've already figured out killing the play.
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Like I think that's you're about to say a whistle. Killing a play is just brutal.
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That's what I mean. So the whistle shouldn't be if. Well, there were also a couple times where there was no whistle blown that anyone could hear. Like they were running. They were running the plays back in real speed without any other audio and there were no whistles and they're calling. The play was dead off of a whistle. So why do they have to have a universal one time challenge on plays where the whistle shouldn't be blown, where forward progress isn't stopped, where the officials can then overturn it in the same way they can do with a turnover. So that's what I'm saying is like, if there's a question, let that be a challengeable play or let that be something that is reviewed. An instant review from New York. That's what I think they should do. San Francisco at Houston, Simon says, look, we, we loved it all week and we were not sort of dissuaded by Houston flipping and flopping a little bit from one point dog to one point favorite, then getting up to two and a half. We said on the show this morning we liked it up to two and a half or really up to three, but boy, man, for a game they completely and totally dominated from the get go, they made every effort to let the Niners sneak in the back door on this one.
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Yeah. And we, we, we joke. It's, it's always scary when a team, you know, in the first half has 300 yards, has the ball for what was they say, 30 minutes or something insane, and they give up that late touchdown. Insane throw by Mac Jones. Insane little window to kill.
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Again.
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I know you're not the biggest Mac Jones fans. I can't get over some of the throws that kid makes where it's like he is getting pummeled in that game. He's getting hit every play. And like you said, we were never out of it. Like, he kept us, he made that. We had to watch that game into the fourth quarter, which is just ridiculous. Mean, you should have been able to turn that game off at half because Houston dominated that much. But yeah, they're just. There's something up with Houston, them just not finishing the red zone and you know, it's, it's hard to get mad at a quarterback that's number one, number two receiver or out of the game. Like, he's throwing to. Yeah, the kid Higgins, who's a rookie. And you know, it's just not ideal.
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Braxton Barrios.
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Yes. Yeah. So it's like, and it worked. Like we said, though, if, if he doesn't have pressure in his face, all the injuries the 49ers have had, they're just, their defense is a shell. It's like they could do so much. So amazing spot, unique spot for Houston. And yeah, like, you know, Tuesday, when we talked about it, I, I gave it on the basis of this is gonna be a pro team, a pro spot. The public will be all over the 49ers and as the week went along, you saw the number kept moving. Like you said, open as a dog, closed minus two, minus two and a half. So those are, those are the nice, nice times to be a pro. Because it's like, it feels like you're the smartest guy in the room because, like, again, everyone I knew is like, trying to tell me how good this matchup is for the 49ers. And it's just like this Texas team, they're not with their record shows and we saw that in the game. So the Colts have pretty much ended their Texas season, I guess divisionally, but Texans don't have a chance to get that wild card. It's not, they're not going to give up. They're a good defensive team. They got weapons. So big, big win for them. 26, 15. They needed that type of win.
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The Bears and the Texans, and we're going to get to the Bears and the Ravens in a minute. But had similar first quarters. As I was making my notes, the Texans dominated, completely dominated. They had just in the first quarter, they had 138 yards to the Niners, 1923 plays to the Niners, 4, 6 first downs to the Niners, 0. And they had the ball for 13 minutes and 19 seconds of the 15 minutes in the first quarter and they were only up six nothing.
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Yeah.
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And at least like they did continue to dominate. They got up 13 nothing. They got up 16 nothing. And then they had sort of a catastrophic final 51 seconds. They let Brian Robinson run the bat the ball back a kickoff after they went up 16 nothing. They let him run it back to about the 50 and they had a face mask. And then Mac Jones got the first first down of the first half for the Niners. And then all of a sudden they're in the end zone at 16 7. They were getting the ball back to start the second half because the Texans defense is so good this year. They were able to stop them and then they were able to actually score to go up 23, 7. But man, like, it was, it was the lack of pressure that allowed the Texans to continue to drive the ball down the field. We talked about it, you just mentioned it. To put a stat against it. They only pressured the quarterback on 19% of his 40 plus drop backs today. That was to us, the key to the game and why we were betting it. We just didn't think the Niners, as much as we love Salah, they didn't have the horses to really get to the quarterback and make a difference for Them. But wow. Like the thing that. I want to know what your take on this. CJ Stroud had 300 yards passing his issue. And as the game went on, he started to throw the ball downfield more and more. You know, the first few drives. Classic cj. Five yard dump. Five yard dump. Inaccurate, bad screen. It was. It looked like it was going to be a frustrating day. They started to get better. They started to convert on third downs. Schematically. Did we see anything in this game that we can take forward as we think about the Texans because they have such a good defense? Did we see anything that could help complement this defense?
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Yeah, again, I think they're going to be a borderline playoff team, which for the Texans, that's the most you can ask for. You don't coming in the year you. I graded them as one of the worst offensive lines in all football. So I remember we joked people, we. People were just taking them to win the division because it's like everyone else in the division's a joke. And that's the view of it. It's like no one thought this was gonna be a good team, a contender. They're just not built right. So for me it's just keep improving through the draft, through the years. But like, you know, watching them today, there's just. I. I just can't see them challenging the Colts for this division. They just. You watch the Colts and you watch Houston, it's two totally different worlds. One just looks like a machine offensively, totally in rhythm. Like you said, Everything's hard for C.J. in this offense. Even on days like today where the run game felt like it was getting 7 yards per carry for Houston still felt like CJ missed throws and it was tough at points for him. So, yeah, I just, I'm confident in them to be a playoff team potentially, but not confident in them to be one of the better teams in all football.
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Houston had 475 yards. That was more than twice as many as the 49ers, who had 223. They had 75 total plays. The Niners only had 44. So what does that tell you about your boy Mack Jones? That he was able to make this as close as it was in. Like, he basically did it in three drives. He had like three good drives that enabled us to have to sweat in like the only game we really had to sweat today. So good on Mack. He's not going to be the starter, but good on Mack. Dallas at Denver. Denver minus three and a half. This was Chad's Choice. Our biggest fear in betting this game was Bo Nix. And you asked me before we came on the air, what did I think when I saw that play? I'm going to tell you the truth.
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The first pick.
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The first pick. That's right. The first pick from Bo Nicks on the first drop. I think it was the third play of the game. I was so hungry at that point. Simon, after the early games and that Broncos game started so much later that I hadn't turned over to multiview yet. I got up and I went. I got myself some carrot sticks. And so I missed the first pick. So when I got to that game, the Cowboys were scoring a field goal, and so I only saw the good stuff. So if I had seen that first play, I probably would have pulled a Brian Dabel. Like, I would have been apoplectic. But because I didn't have to see it, I felt great the whole day because they kind of dominated.
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I was thinking of you last week. We had that really bad night. Obviously, we went two and three with Houston loss for us. So it's like one in the morning. And I thought of you because I had a bowl of Count Chocula. You know, count chocolate is.
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I know what count chocolate is, all right.
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It's one of the last things remaining on this planet. That tastes like the 90s. It tastes like disappointment in plastic.
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It tastes like the 70s, dude. That's how long it's been around.
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And they haven't changed the recipe, God bless them. But it is just terrible for you when I eat it. It's a true depressing meal. It's. You only get it in this Halloween type of thing. And I was thinking, if Chad ate this bowl of cereal, he would combust. I feel like you would just explode.
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I would turn into Dracula. The sunlight.
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Yeah. Seriously, love. But no, it's. Yeah, it's. This is the type of game that we thought exactly was going to be this Broncos game.
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Yeah.
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Like, that's. As a handicapper. That's why today's been so fun. All these games, I feel like for the most part, we talked about, have gone these ways and just dak. Incredibly talented. But you saw that offensive line get him off his spot. He had multiple turnovers. On the flip side, Bo Nicks, other than that one turnover, played against air. He just was passing. It was like a seven on seven.
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It was a practice game.
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Yeah, the run game. Picking up 10 yards a clip. You know, the Cowboys, they're making it publicly new, right? They're trying to get max crowds. They're trying to get a trey. Hendricks, you're. There are three or four guys on that line away from having a defensive line. So, yeah, Dallas is gonna be a fun team. They're gonna somehow maybe be a playoff team. But in these type of games, like, I feel like we nailed it, where if you have an offensive scheme like Sean Payton and you have a defense that can get pressure with four or five guys, that's going to be Dallas's weakness if they just face a juggernaut offense like themselves and they can't put up the points themselves because they just can't keep up with all the pressure in Dax face. So, yeah, great read. Get right back because a lot of pros, a lot of guys talking love for Dallas this week. So glad we stuck with that one. And never, never wavered. Minus three and a half.
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We never wavered. And I will tell you right now, your support for this bet meant everything to me. Not even kidding. Like, you loved it. You kept saying you loved it. I'm like, all right, well, we were.
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Fighting over on Tuesday. Not fighting, but it was like both of us wanted it and you took it and I took another game.
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So yeah, no, it landed how we thought it would land. And if the Broncos just changed their uniforms to those old school blue helmets and jerseys, just do it. It would be great. I love those unis. They look fantastic. They play fantastic. It's awesome. Good for us. Those were the four games we had on the day. Let's do a quick word from Hard Rock and we're gonna get to. We gotta get to that Chicago Baltimore game. We'll do that right after this word from Hard Rock. Today's show is brought to you by our new presenting sponsor, Hard Rock Bet. Week eight wraps up with Washington at Kansas City. Listen to these streaks from Hard Rock Bet stats hub. You can find live odds to bet on all of these streaks in the Hard Rock Bet app. Kansas City is on a 14 game winning streak. His home favorites, Deebo Samuel scored a touchdown in four straight road games. If you haven't tried your first bet on Hard Rock Bet, there's still time for you to get $150 in bonus points bets. If you win, just place a $5 bet. And if it hits, you get not only your winnings, but $150 in extra bonus bets. There's new promos every day, so if you're listening to this later, just open the app and check out what you've got. Any day of the week, payable and bonus bets, not a cash offer offered by the Seminole Tribe of Florida in Florida Offered by Seminole Hard Rock Digital LLC in all other states. Must be 21 and over and physically present in Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee or Virginia to play terms and conditions apply. Concerned about gambling in Florida? Call 1-833-PLAY-WISE in Indiana. If you or someone you know has a gambling problem and wants help, call 1-800-9 with it gambling problem call 1-800- gambler in Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia there's nothing like sinking into luxury. @washablesofas.com you'll find the Annabe sofa which combines ultimate comfort and design at an affordable price. And get this, it's the only sofa that's fully machine washable from top to bottom. Starting at only $699, the stain resistant performance fabric slipcovers and cloud like frame duvet can go straight into your wash. Perfect for anyone with kids, pets or anyone who loves an easy to clean spotless sofa. With a modular design and changeable slipcovers, you can customize your sofa to fit any space and style. Whether you need a single chair loveseat or a luxuriously large sectional, Annabe has you covered. Visit washablesofas.com to upgrade your home. Right now you can shop up to 60% off storewide with a 30 day money back guarantee. Shop now@washablesofas.com Add a little to your life. Offers are subject to change and certain restrictions may apply. What makes work beautiful? It's when the people you hire become the people you admire. When one journey ends and a new one begins. When leaders want to be learners, LHH is your single talent partner for every step, helping you build strong teams, inspire leaders and guide careers with empathy, clarity and care. See how@lhh.com beautiful recruitment development, career transition LHH a beautiful working world all right, so Chicago, Baltimore. Baltimore was a six and a half point favorite in this game. Obviously massive controversy. We covered it this morning. Had a little rant the arrogance, stupidity, obfuscation by John Harbaugh in a week in which the biggest betting scandal since legalization had taken place with the NBA and Terry Rozier and Chauncey Billups and Damon Jones to have the audacity and stupidity to mess around with the injury report. And Lamar Jackson. Maybe he's living in a hole, maybe he hasn't come out of his film room, but you got to be self aware enough to know the situation with your league and how its relationship with operators has changed the way gambling is viewed and the way the integrity of the games are viewed, the fact that this happened, and I know the NFL has said they're going to investigate, was just honest to God, idiocy. You and I decided we were going to stick with the Ravens at six and a half, and that was partially because we liked Tyron Huntley better than Cooper Rush. So that worked out really, really well. I have some thoughts on the Bears, but I want to get your take on how you were feeling about this game as it started.
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Yeah. Honestly didn't waver though, because it was Snoop Huntley and it's like if it was, you know, a different scenario where it's a quarterback I don't trust and I've made it loud and clear about that. I just do not like Cooper rushing this offense. I would have had to abide all my positions. It would have been an absolute nightmare. But got really lucky, didn't budge even though the line had moved, what, four points against us, five points against us.
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From seven down to two, and then it went back up. And by the way, I meant Tyler Huntley, not Tyron Huntley.
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Just call him Snoop. He wants to be called Snoop.
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Snoop. Snoop.
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Yeah. It's just the exact game, though, of you just trust the spot and the numbers. And if you can lie to yourself about the quarterback position being semi decent, it was an automatic spot for this Ravens team. We went through all the trends or like that. Just the Browns, I mean, the Bears, they were overachievers walking into an absolute death trap. So I knew you have feelings about Caleb Williams and a lot of things that went wrong with that offense today. They were never going to win. You guys win this, this type of game, you guys go in there, you win, like, play well and win this game outright. You got to start taking them serious as a contender in the division. Like, this is not a wild card team. This is a legit team going on the road in a really tough environment against the most desperate team in football. Ravens, fair to say, like, they lose this. Oh, my God. So, yeah, just. Just a nightmare spot for the Bears. I'm just so happy for our fans that it covered because it's like nothing, nothing's more sickening than us getting a number, hitting it, giving it out on the show, and then, like you said, feel like we were misguided and lied to and now we look like idiots because an organization kind of pulled the rug from ethos. So, so happy it came through. But my God, when that game first started, I was like, like you said, Bears were playing so well, to start the game, why did we not tell people to get out of this position? My God. But yeah, like we said, as the game went along, you saw it's just the Ravens defense even showed up. The run game showed up. It just all clicked today for that Ravens team.
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Well, look, they did some of the things that we talked about. Were they going to bring Kyle Hamilton into the box to improve their rush defense? Yes, they did that often. Were they going to lean in Derrick Henry and the rushing game. And after that first quarter, the Bears went down the field pretty easily, but they only got two field goals. And you know, there were that. That's sort of the difference because in the first drive of the second quarter, the Ravens just run the ball down the field with ease. Derrick Henry makes everything look like they are just. He's sort of just dragging guys behind him. And like after that, the Bears got unscripted and they didn't know what they were doing anymore. And one of the questions and comments from one of the viewers that were that's watching right now live is, does Caleb Williams have a little bit of that Trevor Lawrence in him? And I'm not going to lie, that's exactly what I thought today. If you look at Trevor Lawrence's stats, we've talked about this so often on the show, he looks like he's a good quarterback. He looks like he's earned the guaranteed contract and he's continuing to climb. If you watch the games, you see the bad decisions, you see the missed throws, you see the mistakes, you see the things that turn them from having a chance in a game to no longer being in the game. And we saw that from Caleb today multiple times. And he is normally not a guy who throws picks. And then of course, Jim Harbaugh, I thought, or John Harbaugh made a very good decision. And it was fourth and five late in the game. They're up 23, 16. They're in Bears territory. They could go for it. They could try to kick a field goal. Instead, they took the five yards. They pinned the Bears back. Caleb throws interception deep in his end zone. The Ravens then score a touchdown on the following series. And that, to me, kind of was indicative of what you get from Caleb, which is. And Trevor Lawrence magical throws, generally good stats, not the kind of plays that help you win the game consistently. That was my take on this game. And also this defense is terrible, truly terrible. Dennis Allen is a terrible coach. Irresponsible. The way he coached this team to not be ready for the way the Ravens were going to play this game. The only thing that usually brings me joy when the Bears aren't doing well is watching Matt Eberfluss, coach, in a game in which I have bet against him. I couldn't even take Joey in Eberfluss today because his team is so banged up he had no shot to stop the Broncos. So instead, I got no joy from this game other than the fact that we covered. But as a Bears fan. As a Bears fan, I want you to ask me what I texted to my son today after the game.
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Just tell us and the cat's in the cradle and the silver spoon, little boy blue and the man on the.
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Moon when you're coming home, Dad, I don't know when, but we'll. I said at some point during this game, I asked myself, what would it be like if I decided I was no longer a Bears fan? What would I. What would I honestly gain in my life? What would I lose in my life? Like, how would my Sundays be different? How would my week be different? How would I think? You know, it's like when you're a fan, you're a fan of the Eagles. We're all fan of like, we love football. We're invested in these teams. Not like it doesn't ruin our lives, but it makes me sadder than happier and this team just makes me sad and frustrated.
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B
Let me counter some of your points about my dear friend Caleb Williams. We know where you stand at, Caleb Williams. Chad. You literally chose Troy Aikman over him. You're just me and all the Bears fans have shunned you.
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And by the way, last week, stabbing your little dog couldn't have been happier. He was enjoying the game. He was talking about his hammies and pulling his, his getting pulled muscles on the treadmill. And like, he was, he was joyous last week.
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B
Well, we're all ready as, as the actual Bears fan on this show. We're ready for you to walk away from this team and Caleb Williams. It's. I told you it's going to be ugly. It's going to be bumpy, man. He's learning an incredibly complex offense and he's a number one pick. I mean, let's be honest here on this show and run through all the number one picks of the last 25 years. It's not a beautiful, it's not a pretty list, Chad. It's an ugly list where Peyton Manning worked out. It's a bunch of just shit and turds there. Fourth. I mean, Joe Burrow got to a Super bowl that Was fun. Number one pick, Stafford. He won one. That was fun.
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Stafford. You're naming great players Stafford.
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B
I know.
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Joe Burrow, Jared Goff, Baker Mayfield.
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B
How dare you.
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Come on.
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B
I'm just saying. But, like. Like, it took those guys years. You know what? I. It took Jared Goff and Baker years to get right. I just take time with Caleb. I'm with you. Like, he's 23, though. I just. He looks like an idiot. He plays like an idiot. It's. He's so young. The league is so hard. He just. He has so many bad habits. He needs to get beat out of them. And that's what you have the perfect. You have a psychopath as a head coach. He will beat these things out of them over time. And if it doesn't work again, you have a psychopath ahead, Coach. He will move on from Caleb Williams. You have no worries ahead of you. So I get it, you want to be upset and stuff like that. Like, I, I see these plays too, and you're just like, dude, get rid of. Get the ball out of your hand. Stop holding on to it so long. It's never. It never works out for him when he holds onto the ball and tries to improvise. So we'll see. I still believe in the talent. Like you said, he still makes throws every now and then when he does push the ball forward with his feet. When he does run forward, not backwards, he actually does make good plays with his feet when he's not going backwards. So I get where you're coming from, brother, but just give him time. This offense is complex. I just. This was a horrible spot for the Bears. They were. They were doomed before the game even started.
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I. I've never been happier to have Caleb Williams as my quarterback than having the Ravens minus six and a half when they're up 30 to 16 with 30 seconds left and the Bears try to run a sneak, they can't get in. And so they have to rush the final play. And you know that the play design clearly calls for some kind of quick pass. And Caleb doesn't release the ball when he's supposed to and just sort of sidearm flings it out of the back of the end zone. So that way there's no chance, there's no risk that they're going to go for a two point conversion and cover the six and a half. That's when I was like, I'm not sweating this right now because there's no way the Bears in those timeouts are going to be able to unpack this one literally from the offensive line back into the backfield. So, you know, that's just how I feel. I'm glad we won. I got, I feel we got better's justice today, you know, that's what we got. We got better's justice. Good for Snoop Huntley. I got a little bit more about him later in the show. Quickly, I just want to say on Tampa Bay and New Orleans, because we're done talking about the Saints. They're not a wise guy team. I don't want to hear about them being a wise guy team. We saw the end of Spencer Rattler today. Fumble on the first series. Pick six from his own two yard line to a defensive lineman. He got benched for Tyler Schuck. Tyler Schucker, interception on his first series. Antwan Winfield was in the end zone more than the Saints were. Thank freaking God we didn't sucker ourselves here.
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Yeah, but another team like, again, I know you hate them and you're saying this is a not a sharp team, but what are you going to do when you have receivers fumbling the ball as well? Like, it just, they're like you said, they're a bad team that keeps shooting themselves in the foot. It was seven three at half and the only seven that Tampa scored was that pick six. Yeah. So it's like. I get it. I get what you're saying. Like you hate them. But there is a reason people are betting this team, they're not that terrible. It's just, they're like Tennessee. Everything that could go wrong goes wrong for them. They're just these, these bad teams of football now are just so bad. And for them to cover like the jets, they need 10 miracles in a row. It's like, it's just a weird thing right now. These teams that are really bad and the Bucks, they, they, I like, I know you said you thought this was going to be easier vine for Baker. I told you, just. Baker's off right now. He's injured.
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It wasn't easy. It was not easy.
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No. Like He, I think 100, 150 yards, if I'm not mistaken, is what he had passing, like, just. Baker was off today, but the Saints gave him five turnovers. And Baker will kill you every time with that. He won't, he won't make the turnovers. He'll just have his off day, not make the risky throws. And you know, even their running game, they only averaged like 3 yards of carry or whatever. It was 3.2 yards.
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Yeah.
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So the Bucs, bad spot. They're just this is what I love about good teams. They showed up in other areas which was their defense and they dominated. Like, like you said. Spencer Rattler looks like he's about. He's already out of the league. Like I gave him all this praise two weeks ago. He is horrible these last two weeks. Just like turnovers, bad throws, bad reads. And yeah, it's, it's trade. The trade deadlines coming up. Saints, you have some really good veteran pieces. You shouldn't move.
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Last game. I want to talk about. We gotta get to it. The New York Jets. What did we say on Tuesday? What did we say on Tuesday? Take the jets money line.
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B
Start spreading the news.
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We said take the jets money line. Boy, did they make us look good. They worked hard at it. They had to score. Breece hall had to score three touchdowns in the fourth quarter, including a touchdown pass on a halfback option with 1 minute and 54 seconds left in this game for the jets to win 39, 38. Oh, I can't wait for the headlines in the New York Post. I can't wait for the press conference this week with Aaron Glenn, who's going to make it sound like he's a genius. Justin fields throwing for 245. That's about 25% of all the passing yards he's thrown for this year. Magnificent. Magnificent.
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B
Yeah. And we definitely talked about on that Tuesday show that at that point, Joe Flacco, if you bet against him, you could have got plus 270 on the money line with that jets team and you know, before kick. That's why I love watching the market, because it's just interesting seeing how the money dictates the market, how it moves. It closed at plus 215, that money line.
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Yeah.
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So it went from on Tuesday plus 270 to close at plus 215. Some books close with them at plus five and a half. That jets team. Yeah. So I mean, geez, talk about the ultimate sweat. Like you needed so many things to go your way to cover that number. Not even just cover it. You went outright. It's why we talk about how stupid football can be, why we love betting these dogs. And this year it's just, it's just not depressing or sad, but it is in a sense that like I don't bet the money line Rod Robin Dogs like I used to. I'm really heavy into a betting arm, Moneyline, around Robin Favorites because it's what cash is. And a game like this with the jets happen not every week, but every Other it felt like now just. You don't get these stupid upsets like this. And like this week it was all chalk. There was this upset, Miami's upset. Other than that, it was all favorites. Like it just all favorites outright. So I, I just, I love these type of games. You can go back and watch it a thousand times. Like they kept showing the fans and the stands, these Cincy fans, and they knew, like we all did at home, that it was over. Even when Joe Flacco got the ball back. Still up six. It's just football is the best that way. You can just, you just, you've lived it so many times, you know it's going to happen and doesn't matter what you do, you can't stop it. Like, we all knew it was coming. So you know, all the fourth downs, all these like insanely random plays. That worked with Justin Fields today. Like you said, he passed the ball really well. And you know, in a week where his owners throwing him under the bus.
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Under the bus.
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The joke of an ownership, one of the worst owners in the league, for him to go out there, win that type of game, 39 points on the road. Yeah. What a, what a great, great feeling. If you're a Jets team. But I don't know about their fans. They're probably upset, right? They don't want to win anything now. They're one in seven. But I think you'll be all right.
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Jets fans, I still think, I don't anticipate. No a run.
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B
That's like as a fan, you only get one or two a year. Jets through that bad. That was, that was a great all timer.
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Yeah, that was truly, truly fantastic.
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About the Jets. Denver, they lost. I know. It's England, they lost 11 to 13. Panthers, they lost 13 to 6. I mean they're not that like. Again, we're joking. Aaron Guns, a bad coach. They haven't given up on them. I give them credit for that. Three straight weeks, one score games. They've been in it. They've been fighting in these close, ugly games. So my God, is the jets experience. Terrible, but huge win for them now they have a bye week. Who knows, who knows what it could be for them going forward. They got Cleveland and New England coming up.
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A
Simon, it's time to play. Shame, shame. Shame on you.
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B
Shame on you. NFL officials in that Giants game. I just, I know it's lazy, but I just. That's the only thing that really got me mad this week. Like every team we bet on, I thought they played well. Even Jackson Dart I thought he played well enough to go cover for us. So I really can't be mad at the players, can't be mad at the coaches, just the refs. They might have ruined me and Chad's perfect four zero day. What could have been? What could have been? I have really fun videos. I'm ready to post for our perfect day, but gotta wait for another week. We're not perfect yet.
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My shame, shame, shame. Pregame, no doubt about it, it was, it was John Harbaugh. But post game, shame on you. Shame, shame, shame. Cincinnati Bengals defense against the New York Jets. I said shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame on you. You are up 3116 against a winless team with a quarterback who had thrown for a combined 91 yards in the previous two games. With two minutes left in the third quarter you had this game wrapped up. In the fourth quarter you give up a touchdown and a two point conversion. You're up 31 24. Then you score. You're up 38 24. Then you give up two more touchdowns. You give the jets the opportunity to win their first game of the year on a half pack halfback option. With a minute 54 left, Breeze hall, before he might get traded, had three touchdowns in the fourth quarter. The Cincinnati Bengals defense gave up more than 500 yards to the New York Jets. They gave up 260 yards rushing to the New York jets. They gave up 245 yards passing to the New York Jets. This is an offense that had not been able to score more than a touchdown. You gave them three in the third quarter and you let them win the game. Shame, shame, shame on the Cincinnati Bengals.
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B
Love it.
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A
Simon, who is your hero of the week?
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B
I'm gonna give it to my guy, James Cook. Chad knows talked a little bit about it. I was heavily bet invested in the Buffalo Bills today. I know we didn't talk about much on the show but it's people don't want. I mean I can talk I guess more about me taking position on money lines but heavily invested in that money line of that Bills team. And Chad knows a little funny story told him before the show is taking that Chad gave me why to my beloved the Bills before our show this morning. But I mean Cook, something's up with Josh. He could not look right in this game. Yeah, Cook cooked. He did though like two, 216, two touchdowns. I think he broke off a 65 yard run. 64 yard run. Just unreal when it's going with that Bill's running attack and you know, a game where Josh Allen doesn't have it. He didn't need to because that running attack was so dominant. And, yeah, I guess I could also give it to any Dalton, he was also here in that game. But now Cook, for me, just a guy that we always ask, why does he not get more touches in this Bills offense? And I think Joe Brady's coming around to it. It's like, I get you want to rotate guys in and out. Just let Cook cook. Like Chad said.
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My hero of the week. How could it not be Snoop Hundley? This is a guy who got cut by the Ravens a year ago, played in Miami, went to Cleveland, got cut by Cleveland this year. You think the Browns might want a competent veteran quarterback who is careful with the ball and knows how to run? Then he's on the practice squad back with the Ravens. And they prefer Cooper Rush, who after two games averaging six and a half points, they finally decide to go to Snoop Huntley. And what does the guy do? What does the guy do? 17 of 22 for 185 and one touchdown. He gained 53 yards on the ground. He didn't make mistakes. He proved that he could move this game and this team down the field. He got them in the end zone. He got them out of challenging situations. He made passes on third and long when he had to make the right pass to the right position, to the right guy, to the right shoulder. Snoop Huntley saved us from looking like bigger idiots than we normally look like on this show. For that. Snoop, you are the hero of the week on Sharper Square. All right, Simon says you had Houston minus one. Chad's choice. I had Denver minus three. Brass balls. Baltimore minus six and a half. Rock and a hard place. We had New England minus six and a half, Sharp versus Square. I had the New York jets plus six and a half. You have Pittsburgh plus three and a half. Our favorites, parlay, Pats, Bills, Denver, Colts. We said, you know, cut it down to minus five and a half. We also got the Chiefs minus five and a half. So that's what, four and, oh, right now. And then the underdog parlay, Steelers, Jets, Saints, Giants, Bears. So that's a loser of a bet. Early leans Simon. And by the way, just a reminder, we are on Pittsburgh + three and a half tonight. I know people in the chat were asking, and we said off the top of the show, we've been on Pittsburgh + three and a half the entire week. Simon, early leans for you. I got some if you. If you need.
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B
I mean, Insanely fishy lines this week. People be incredibly careful because my opinion could change come Tuesday. But Chiefs are minus one and a half against the Buffalo Bills. That is a line I will take on that Chiefs team right now. Like, that's the Bills. Maybe they are. Maybe they have fixed some of their issues, but I still think they have problems defensively and Andy Dolan didn't exploit any of those problems. So I like that Chiefs number, even though I know it's very, very Joe Public right now. Seahawks -3 against Washington next Sunday. What in the world is that number? Seahawks. Even if Daniels is back, they feel like a much better team than this Washington team.
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A
Yeah, well, defensively for sure. Right. They're playing like incredible. Like they're just solid.
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B
Yeah. And it's a banged up Daniels. Seahawks on the road as well. Totally different team. So minus three early number. I will take that as we sit here right now as well. So back to back road chalk for me to start it off, Jeff.
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A
I saw Detroit minus eight and a half against Minnesota.
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B
30 minus nine at Hard Rock.
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A
Well, I'd still take it at nine, you know, because then I'm risking a push versus eight and a half. But I have no reason not to bet this team and I have no reason to bet on Minnesota. Is the quarterback going to be J.J. mcCarthy against this Detroit Lions team that has had time off at home where they just dominate all the time? No reason to not back the Lions until they show us they shouldn't be trusted at home as a big favorite. So that one stuck out to me. Pittsburgh as a home dog against Indianapolis stuck out to me. I'm obviously going to wait until I see what happens tonight in that game. But I also. The other game that immediately flagged was Kansas City minus one and a half. I saw that. I'm like, oh, yeah, that's. That's a, that's a game we're going to bet right now. That. Those were. Those were the ones. All right, final review we had.
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B
I'll give. I'll give one sharp line.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Houston plus one right now at Hard Rock at home against Denver.
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A
Oh, that's interesting.
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B
Yeah. Still. Still market. Not valuing this. This Houston team seemed like they're a little bit overvalued that Denver team, so. Well, for sure, we'll see where that number goes. My, my instant reaction is I could see that flipping. So I'm going to grab Houston now as a dog.
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All right. We had today the Patriots minus six and a half. That was a win. Denver minus three and a half. That was a win. Houston plus one. That was a win. The Giants plus seven and a half. That was a loss. We have the Pittsburgh Steelers tonight plus three and a half to round out our final five. This has been Sharper Square presented by Hard Rock Bet, part of the Volume Podcast Network will be back with our next Sharper Square on Tuesday to go over the entire NFL slate. Watch or listen on YouTube at Sharper Square. Like this video. Subscribe to the channel. Download us from Apple Pods, Spotify wherever you get your pods rate. Review subscribe. Leave us five stars. Say whatever you want. Feedback is a gift. Till next time.
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Love you.
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