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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Show Me Something - Carl Radke on Summer House tea, sobriety, hooping vs. WNBA legends
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I'll tell you my favorite story was Carrie Laimbeer. I didn't talk to her in a long time. Carrie Lambert, Bill Laimbeer's daughter. Daughter. She was one of our power forwards at the time.
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She's big.
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She was a beast. And she was. She was good and obviously had the NBA pedigree. Yeah, but I remember one of the assistant coaches Going to me, he's like, carl, go as hard as you can. Do whatever. Yeah. And I could still, like, dunk it. Yeah. So, like. But the women's ball was a little bit smaller than I was adjusting to, like, using that a little bit.
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Yeah.
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But I remember going toe to toe in the paint, and she would kick my ass, dude. Really?
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They weren't allowed. We had a rule that you guys weren't allowed to dunk. You guys could do anything, but you weren't allowed to dunk. And, like, it was. It's so funny, though, because. Did it take you a second to learn how to, like, play against the girls? I just think it's funny too, though, because our practice players is, like, the first ones. Like, you know you're playing, so sometimes you're going to, like, hit someone in the boob or we're going to hit you guys, like, in the nuts. Oh, yeah.
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If someone. If you're posting some guy up down low and he's just.
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I was also, like, trying to, like, like, get some, like, leverage, and I'm, like, putting my head in her tit.
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I love it.
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Okay, first things first, guys. Show me something. Podcast episode 34. We are joined by a dear friend of mine, Carl Radke. He's now also a podcast host himself, Summerhouse og And I've got it in real time. Are you calling yourself an author, Carl?
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No, I'm not.
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Carl, you have to.
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This is awesome.
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You can. I mean, I feel like I have to, but I'm not comfortable with that. There's a lot of. There's a lot of amazing authors who are real authors. I'm just a regular random dude.
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That's why people love you, though.
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But Carl did publish a book. It is called Cake Eater. You've kind of got a lot of awesome stuff going on right now. Are you more excited to have the book going around? Are you more excited to, like, start the pod?
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I mean, I feel like they. I've been working on both of these things for, like, almost two years, so they kind of go hand in hand together. They kind of feed each other. So, I mean, it's been. Both of them have been really fulfilling and super, you know, super fun. Very overwhelming. Some of the book stuff going on tour has been really exciting, but also. Yeah, I mean, I've opened up a lot about, you know, dark, difficult things in my life. It's not like a happy, you know, hug your friends, read. It's. It's very difficult, you know, material and things I've been through so, yeah, I mean, some of it's been amazing, but the goal from the beginning with the book was to help people. And I feel like that's. That's what's happening, so that's all that really matters.
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Okay, I should.
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Real quick. So if you're going to introduce you guys. Because that's my fault. I didn't even do it.
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No, you're good.
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Okay.
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Sophie, Carl, Carl, Sophie. And before I go, this summer, when we were filming Summer House, I told Carl I was like, I might be doing a podcast with Sophie Cunningham. Like, I don't know if you know who that is, Carl. And I live in a house with a lot of dudes who aren't super big ball knowers. Carl is a ball knower.
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Yeah.
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Carl's a cute. She's a beast. Like, you gotta do it. And so I'm glad you two get to meet now.
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Okay. Hi, Sophie.
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Hi, Carl. Okay, so I was. I love this. I was just telling Wes. I was like, I think that I just really love him. Like, I just feel like you are just a good freaking human, and there's just something about you that you just want to squeeze, like, and breastfeed. Well done. That's why everyone's, like, calls him dad. But seriously, I think that you are a fan favorite for so many reasons, but something that I want to talk to you about because I think this is, like, so bold and courageous of you, and I, like, love you for it is like, you're on a show that is known for, like, partying. Partying. How do you say that word? Partying? Yeah. Being a partier and the fact that you just choose to, like, be sober. And now you're into running. You're an author. You're starting your own podcast. Like, I feel like you are living your best years right now. And, like, you're mentally, physically, emotionally, everything. You are just, like, blooming and blossoming, and everyone who watches the show can see it. So, like, let's dive into that big time. Because I don't know you, but I'm so proud of you. And I know other people. When I said that we're having you on the podcast, they're like, hell, yeah. And I'm like, let's get into it. So.
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Well, thank you, thank you, thank you. If I could say anything, I feel like I get way more credit than I deserve. You know, I've. I don't have it all figured out, so I appreciate the kind words, but, you know, it's hard sometimes to receive such complimentary feedback Because I, you know, I put. I've been through a lot of stuff. I'm definitely. I don't think I'm a fan favorite. I appreciate the notion of that, but, you know, I've certainly put a lot out there for the fans to talk about over the years. Some pretty bad, some pretty ugly. But, you know, that's kind of what we're, you know, what we're here to do is show our lives and all the, all the ugly, all the bad and the good sometimes. But, yeah, no, I've been very lucky and very privileged in a lot of different ways with a lot of opportunities, and a lot of things have kind of come my way since kind of turning my life around. And a big part of that was admitting that I'm an alcoholic and a drug addict and, like, I had to take those steps. I come from a family that has alcoholism and drug addiction in it, mental health issues. So, yeah, it was important for me to kind of look in the mirror. And I also watch the show too, Sophie. So seasons one through four, I mean, I hated myself. Like, I hated who I was and the person I was putting out. And from season five and on, you know, I really tried to make better choices and really look in the mirror.
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I told Sophie before we do this, because I've done like the same press you have, Carl, that we get asked a lot of the same questions over and over and over and over again a thousand times. And I think we want to have a little more fun and ask you stuff that you've never been asked before. In the spirit of this being a sports podcast, originally, you're a Pittsburgh guy, born and raised. Pirates, Penguins, Steelers. Who am I forgetting?
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Pirates, Penguins, too. It's our Big Three. That's all we have.
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Yeah, Big Three.
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But I went to Syracuse University, so I do kind of low key cheer for the sports. I mean, basketball in Syracuse has been on a downhill the last. I mean, ever since we joined. Ever since we joined the ACC when the Big east got kind of disbanded, you know, Georgetown, Yukon, Villanova, Syracuse, Pittsburgh. It's never been the same for the basketball team.
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Even old Big east football used to be sick. And they had like West Virginia, remember where they had like, Steve Slayton, like, old Big east used to be so tight.
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Yeah. West Virginia, Miami, Virginia Tech. Miami. You had some pretty good, like, Thursday night ACC games.
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What are your first memories as a Pittsburgh, like, sports fan? Is it the Steelers? Like, what do you, like, what is your first memory that you can, like, recall?
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First memory was 1990. 91 92. The Penguins won back to back Stanley Cups. Mario Lemieux, Yammer Jagger lived in our little community. He would, you would go to his house during Halloween and he would, like in Pittsburgh. So the local players had like a candy bar. Like it was like their local thing.
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What was it though? Was it like a Snickers? Like a.
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It was a Yammer Yager peanut butter hockey puck. Like circular.
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Oh, like that sounds kind of good actually.
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It was honestly legit. And he would hand them out from his own home because he lived in, like in the community. So people would trick or treat at his house and he'd hand out his own candy bar to, to the kids.
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Wait, is that cocky as shit or is that like legit?
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Well, he, he's, he's a Czech and he's got a personality, so he kind of got away with being like an ego, like alpha. But yeah, my first memory really of that was 1991 Penguins back to back. However, I do want to flag. I was born in Chicago, Illinois, and we lived there when I was very young. My first game ever was a Chicago Cubs game at Wrigley. Crazy. It was a day game because when I went to the Wrigley field, they did not have lights for night games. It was only daytime games at Wrigley up until like the late 90s.
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Do you know that there was also an ordinance in Chicago that said that you can't make loud noise after whatever PM it was like 7 or 8pm so that's why the Cubs, like. Oh, like if you watch them on tv, they're always playing there during the day. Because at Wrigley they've been playing day games for so long due to like, not having lights and like these weird Chicago ordinances that they like, never got rid of.
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Well, like, Wrigley's like, literally in a neighborhood. It's like you're walking, you know, it's like north of Chicago, but it's almost like it feels like you're in someone's backyard and then all of a sudden, here's a baseball stadium.
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But guys, don't you kind of prefer like a great like 75, 80 degree day with a slight breeze rather than a night game? Like, think about it.
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Baseball.
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Yeah, baseball day game is pretty epic. I would say a playoff night game, it's pretty cool too, where it's at like an October night game, playoffs, you're
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kind of bundled up a little bit. Oh, yeah, I like that.
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Oh, yeah.
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Carl, what did you do to Syracuse? Like, I know Syracuse is a good Journalism school. And I know or you kind of was good.
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Right behind me, I've got.
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Oh, there it is.
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My credentials.
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I.
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My, my guy, my guidance counselor sophomore year of high school. I did like the morning announcements. I love holding microphones. I did the sports stuff even though I played. I love like ESPN and Sports Center. I mean kind of like you guys too. I thought of. I wanted to go to journalism school. It's originally my idea. And my guidance counselor wrote down like four different schools. She's like Syracuse, nyu, usc, University of
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Missouri probably for being honest.
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I think actually Missouri, it's the number one journalism school in the country.
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So yeah, there was a few schools and my uncle. I actually had some friends that gone to Syracuse and something about the basketball team, the big sports, the big school. I was really excited about trying to go there. So I put all my eggs into the Syracuse basket from like junior year. That's where I knew I wanted to go there because in school the education program. But that's how I got to Syracuse. I. So I was recruit. I was a really good volleyball player. I was all.
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You played volleyball?
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Yeah, I was first team all Pennsylvania my senior year. I was probably the best setter in. I mean I worked in the country. I was probably the top five player in the country my senior year.
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Are you shitting me? Yeah, volleyball.
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Yeah. I'm six five, stumpy, all build so.
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Dude, I know but like I just, I feel like being in the Midwest. I think when we were growing up volleyball, all the tall guys, they went to basketball. But there's so many basketball players that I was like, dude, you'd be a badass volleyball player. And the fact that you played. Did you ever play sand?
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Oh absolutely. We had a sand court in our, like in our town. Even though we live in Pittsburgh, we had like this cool sand court in the summer we all would like pick up.
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Dude, I had no idea. That like makes me just love you even more. What the heck. That is so fun.
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This is how it came to be. My. I loved baseball. I love my. My brother was an amazing baseball player. He, you know, was world class baseball player. People knew he was a great athlete. So I always wanted to be like my brother.
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Yeah.
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And when I got to high school, I was on the freshman baseball team. I wasn't great, but I just wanted to play. And then sophomore year I tried out for the varsity baseball team. Got cut. I didn't even make the JD team. So I like went home crying essentially when I got cut. What am I going to do? Now with all this free time. And one of my friends said to me, shout out to Ryan Murray. He was like, bro, if you want to dunk a basketball, try out for the volleyball team. And it was kind of like all these basketball players that weren't playing a spring sport went over to the basketball team. And my sophomore, or sorry, volleyball team my sophomore year, we had two of our best basketball players on the varsity volleyball team. But I just caught the bug and it was incredibly technical, very competitive. I love the athleticism of the jumping and the blocking.
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Dude, wait, the jumping that men volleyball players created this damn world. Like, I don't think people have credit, dude. Well, you think basketball players is dunking, but I'm like, no, you need to watch volleyball players jump. It is insane.
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They were crazy. So, yeah, I caught the bug my sophomore year of high school with volleyball. I wasn't great my sophomore year, but by junior year, yeah, I actually started playing. Like there's a Junior Olympics kind of community. I started playing volleyball at Junior Olympics and my junior year I was really, really good. But then by senior year, I mean, I was definitely one of the best players in the state. Wow.
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I wanted to be a setter.
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Well, it's funny because with setting the right side, like the setter actually is the right side blocker and the left side hitter is the strong hitter. So technically you want your probably your smartest player and your best blocker to be on your right side. I was a good blocker, but I was super smart.
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Yeah.
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So I played also. We did a six, two. So I would set back row and then hit front row smart. So I had a good arm and a good, good swing. But yeah, I was gonna say, though, when I graduated from Syracuse, I was recruited by, you know, Penn State, St. Francis, like Ohio State ball. I actually went to Ball State to look good old Indiana. But I wanted a large university experience and I wasn't going to get much scholarship money from those schools. And my. I don't think my dad said this, but I heard this from someone. They said, carl, if you tear your ACL. Day one of being Ball State or Ohio State, do you still want to go there? Yeah. I mean, the answer, the answer is no.
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Damn.
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I wanted to go to where the education was the best and the program for furthering my career after college made the most sense.
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Yeah.
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But I got to Syracuse and I did play on the club men's volleyball team. And my freshman year I was an all American as a actual outside hitter, not a setter.
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Right side or left.
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I was a left side.
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You've been so humble about that because I knew you played volleyball, but you have never dropped the accolades until just now.
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No, I was legit. Very legit.
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Ooh, we got to find eight.
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But, Sophie, you'll get a kick out of this. So this is sophomore year at Syracuse. There was a gym on campus where all the football players would come and play, pick up the lacrosse team, play pickup. I was just the regular guys, but we had, like, a good crew of basketball players.
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Sorry.
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And I was playing pickup. I mean, I could dunk. I was balling like, I was a good player.
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Yep.
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One of the assistant coaches from the men's basketball team was there watching. He pulled me aside. He said, hey, you want to try out? I said, absolutely. So I went over to the tryout like, a week or two later, and Jim Boeheim was there. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't make the team. I got an email about a week later. Hey, Carl, I'm the head coach of the women's basketball team.
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Oh, you know where this is going.
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Oh, you want to be a player?
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Yeah.
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Did you do it?
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Coach Quinn Richardson was like, yo, we're doing this whole men's practice squad. Kind of like what UConn was doing. Yeah, we wanted our best.
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A lot of schools do that, I think.
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Well, everyone does it now. But I don't know. Back in the day, it might have been, like, a newer thing. I don't know.
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I think it was newer. I was one of the first ones at Syracuse to kind of do this, but I went into the meeting, and it was like, you get a Gatorade with your name on it, you get a pair of shoes. All the kids show up to this thing. And my favorite story. I'll tell you my favorite story was Carrie Lambert. I didn't talk to a long time. Carrie Lambert, Bill Lambert's daughter.
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Daughter.
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She was one of our power forwards at the time.
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She's fucking big.
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She was a beast. And she was. She was good. And obviously had the NBA pedigree.
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Yeah.
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But I remember one of the assistant coaches going to me. He's like, carl, go as hard as you fucking can. Do whatever you like. And I could still, like, dunk. Yeah. So, like. But the women's ball was a little bit smaller than I was adjusting to, like, using that a little bit.
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Yeah.
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But I remember going fucking toe to toe in the paint, and she would kick my fucking ass, dude. Really?
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They weren't allowed. We had a rule that you guys weren't allowed. To dunk. You guys could do anything, but you weren't allowed to dunk. And like, it was. It's so funny though, because. Did it take you a second to learn how to, like, play against the girls?
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Absolutely. I mean, I was. I obviously I was excited about the opportunity because I knew how fundamental and skilled. But what I didn't clock was, was the toughness and like the physicality of the women. I just assumed it was be a little less physical. It was actually more physical.
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So.
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Ever realized everyone says that.
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Everyone.
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Because I heard that too.
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We just. You just have to be. Because when guys are so much more athletic, like, I don't care what anyone says. Yes, there's a lot of athletic females, but guys are just built different. And so we, I feel like, have to be more physical. And so when our practice players come in, they're like, like, we got the beat out of us today. We're like, yeah, we have to like to keep up with you guys. Like, there's no way that you. You can't. So I just think it's funny too, though, because our practice players is like the first ones. Like, you know you're playing, so sometimes you're going to like, hit someone in the boob or we're going to hit you guys like, in the nuts.
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Oh, yeah.
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Someone. If you're posting some guy up, down low and he's just.
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I was also, like, trying to like, get some, like, leverage and I'm like, putting my head in her tits. Like,
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I love it.
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But I will say that the no dunking policy is a real thing because we had like, I got frustrated at one point. I was like, kind of backing down.
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Yeah.
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And I did like a pump fake and like, drop step. And I can like to like a quick step and dunk.
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Yeah.
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And I did it. And the coach goes, don't ever do that again, Carl.
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Just like you females.
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Wait, is that just because it's not a part of, like, I don't want to, like, it's just not a part of the women's game. So they just like to be realistic.
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Like, it has to be realistic. There's not anyone doing what Carl can do. Especially if you played fucking men's volleyball. There's just no way.
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And then I remember this is a crazy memory, but there was a guard from Rutgers at the time who is one of the best players in college basketball. Cap. Cappy Pondext.
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Oh, my gosh. Yes. What?
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She was sick. And so I would wear this, like, different colored jersey.
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Yeah.
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I'd Be Cappy for a plaque. A practice. Yeah, Basically, I just ran around like a maniac. Like, screens are being set. I just ran all over the place. And there was one particular person that had to guard.
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Yep.
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But I would play kind of. That.
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Dude, Cappy's, like, one of the best players that ever crossed the wnba. Like, that is insane, Carl, that you know these people. This is just, like, blowing my damn mind.
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No, I remember her vividly because she was. Yeah. Like, we had to kind of prepare for that game. I always would tell my friends. They're like, how was fun?
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And Carl's saying, we. You hear that? He's saying, we.
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What a team.
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But I love what they're doing there.
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No, but I will say, I think that, like, our practice players are men who are, like, in female sports. And, like, you're in it like you're playing or like, your manager or whatever. Like, you have a better appreciation for how. How hard. Like, how hard we work. And, like, the athleticism that we have, it's different than the men, but there's still an appreciation for it. And, like, the fact that you're still a fan of it, I think it's because you were in it. Like, I just love that.
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I love it more. I mean, more than, like, the competitiveness was incredible. The fundamentals were. I actually believe the fundamentals are better than the men.
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Yeah.
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You know, just bounce passing and pick screens, setting screens. Some of the defending, it was like, the women, I felt like, were like, they do it. They did it better than us, and we got away.
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We have to, like, we have to. We have to pay attention to the small details because you guys are just too athletic that you'd pick us apart. If you don't have the right angle, if you don't have the right, I don't know, defensive scheme, like, you get.
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Ultimately, that's the. That's the whole purpose of having the men's squad is to just kind of, like, really hone in to make everything a little bit different.
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I'll have to send you guys the screenshot. There's a. It's called the. It's called the Daily. The Daily Orange, which is our student newspaper. And it was like, men's basket or men's team cast offs practicing with the women or something.
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I love it. I love it. So, yeah, you know that the WNBA still has practice squads, so you need to get on the practice squad of the Liberty.
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Hey, do you need an extra? Well, it's funny, I live in Greenpoint, Brooklyn, and the Liberty are building their brand new practice facility right. Right outside where. Where I live.
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Dude, what if I. Oh, it's written
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B
in the stars, Carl.
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C
I'm already gonna practice squad.
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A
What if I got traded up there? And then actually me and Carl become like, fucking best friends.
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C
I thought you were gonna say, like, we get married or something.
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A
Oh, I mean that too. And then we have. I love it. I love it.
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B
one part of your summer house lore, Carl, that I still haven't watched like everything from the beginning, but it's that you were like Mr. Sales. Like just loved, just love sales.
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C
I love stuff.
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B
And like. So you graduated from Syracuse with what degree?
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C
Television. Television, radio and film. And what's funny is in my eighth grade, like yearbook, we had like super like superlums like most likely to be an NFL player, Most likely to be on tv. It was me because I always like, I like the mic in the camera and like a lot of my friends from my hometown and growing up are surprised that I'm in the TV world. They're surprised the way it is. Like bravo. They thought it might be me like hosting something or being an anchor or doing that. Just it's a little different.
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B
I think the three of us could all agree we have always liked holding a microphone.
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C
I think we all have a knack for this.
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A
It just comes natural. We have the face and the voice for it.
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C
I thought I was on a face for radio, but you know.
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B
So you graduated and then were you in NYC right after you graduated? Like came straight here? No.
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C
No. So it's funny like when you're a junior senior at Syracuse, a lot of the alumni, you know, they either like in the TV film program, alumni will go to LA or go to New York. And there's like a, at the time it feels like, it feels like what? Like Reddit is. It's like a forum but just for Syracuse University and kids would be like, hey, I live in la. I just graduated last year. I have an open couch if anybody wants to, you know. Crashed my couch for two months, no problem. Like alumni, helped each other out. So when I graduated from Syracuse, I moved to la like a week and a half after graduation. One bag. I. I brought an acoustic guitar. Like a total loser.
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A
Carl, dude, Carl. Out of. Out of everything that you might need to go across the damn world, you
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C
brought a guitar, Acoustic guitar that I like, could barely play. Like, you know, Oasis, Wonderwall, you know, I had a dream and I wanted. I wanted to work in a tv. The TV world.
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A
That's actually hilarious. Wait, when. What year did you start Summer House?
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C
First season of Summer house started filming. June 2016.
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B
This is the 10. 10 years ago.
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A
So, dude, 2016. I was a sophomore in college.
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C
I was. I had just gotten back from Ibiza on a six day bachelor party, barely slept, and Kyle and I drove out to the Hamptons. We had no idea what the hell was happening. I mean, we were already. We were already doing this kind of thing with friends.
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A
Yeah.
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C
And I'll never forget when I first moved to New York in 2013. So I'd been in LA for quite a while. Then I came to New York and I went to dinner with some friends. They're like, hey, what are you doing this summer? I'm like, I don't know, you know, hanging out in New York City. And they're like, no, come out to the Hamptons. And what I had learned, you know, that's 20 somethings, 30 somethings, finance, fashion, tech, whatever it is. They were like renting a house on the weekend with like a big group of friends. So I joined a house in 2014 and 2015.
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Wow.
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C
And I did what we kind of do. I met Kyle. I'll never forget the first time I met Kyle West. I don't know if I ever told you this. Oh, Lord, A true story. I was at Surf Lodge now. I was the guy back in the day. I'd get the massive bottle of rose. Like I'm talking. Yeah, like, like it was always taller than like a five foot person.
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A
Oh, God.
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C
And I had this bottle at the table and it was like my like chum in the water fishing. It was like luring in all the. The cute girls and whatever. Of course it was embarrassing. I'm not saying this is cool. Trust me.
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B
No, it's cool. It's fine. I still go to.
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A
No, dude, literally no one is judging you. No one is judging you.
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C
So have this Big bottle. And it was one of those. It reminded me of, like. It was just like, I was like, trying to hold court. And over walks Kyle Cook. And he's like. I think he. This is what he said, but this is kind of my memory. And he's like, sick bottle, dude, can I get some? And I'm like, what? I. I had this thing where the bottle was so big and heavy that, like, I could pick it up with one hand and, like, pour it. It wasn't easy, but it was like a douchebag move. Like, can you, like, pour it with one hand? Yeah. So I go to Kyle, I go, you can have some if you could pour it with one hand. He. And he like, couldn't do it.
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B
Damn it.
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C
Show how it's done. And then I. We partied, we hung out. And then, I swear, like a couple days later, I was at Equinox in soho, where I live in New York. And I was at the gym at like 7:30 in the morning. And I look over and here's this blonde kid that looked like the dude from Surf Lodge. And he's at the bench press, like, ripping weights and getting after 135, dude,
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A
just to set up three.
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C
It's two plates, bro. Two plates. And I literally was like, yo, what's up, dude? And he was like, yeah. And we got each other's numbers and just became friends from there. But the honest to God truth, I was at my dentist's office a year later. I didn't know anything about a TV show. Nothing I was getting. I worked in sales, the west sales guy thing. I was like a really good sales rep. I worked for a medical dental company. I'd sold braces and wires and orthodontics. I lived here in New York City. I worked New Jersey and all that. So one of our. One of my dentists who was a friend of Kyle's also, he would give me cleanings and I'd go in and like, pitch him new products. I went into his office in May of 2016. I get in the chair, I lay back, and he's like, yo, your boys are going to be on some Bravo show. And I go, what? And he's like, yeah, Kyle and Everett are going to be on some Hamptons reality show. And I. In the chair, I still have the email. I lay back and I wrote Kyle and Everett an email. Hey, boys, I'm at Lane. Lane was the dentist. I'm at Lane's office. What's this show about? Yeah, Kyle emailed right back and said it's funny you asked. We're looking for another guy.
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A
Say less.
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C
I called Kyle after that, and he's like, you know, me and him knew each other. We were friends, but it wasn't like I didn't know what was going on. He's like, yeah, we had some guy back out. We're looking for one more dude to complete our house. I know you're a lot of fun and seem like a good guy. Like, what do you think? And I'm like, okay, it.
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A
I love it.
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B
Isn't it crazy, the chain of events that just like, because you went to Surf Lodge that one day and Kyle came up to you that one day, and then you were at Equinox. Like, it all leads to, like. I mean, same with when I met fucking Lindsay. Like, it's just, like, so random.
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C
I'll never forget she came home from the bar that night. I'll never forget it. She was like, I met the coolest guy ever. And, like, you were going to do a podcast together. And she had, like, this napkin of, like, a contract. Oh, you guys had drawn up some, like, arrangement on a piece of paper.
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B
We laughed about this the other day. Sophie, I don't know if you know this. The night I met Lindsay, I, like, told her because I was working at Bleach Airport or whatever, and then it's just the most Lindsay thing ever. She was like, you know what would be like, a good podcast? Like, a girl and a guy talking about sports. It'd be, like, inclusive, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, honestly? Yeah, good idea, whatever. And then we kept drinking, and she was like, you can't steal my fucking idea and take it to Bleacher Report tomorrow.
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And I was like.
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I was like, no, I would never. So she got a bar napkin, pulled it out, and, like, sharpied a contract on a bar napkin and then made me sign it.
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So funny.
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And then we joke. We talked about it again the other day, and she was like, well, I guess you broke your fucking contract. You have a podcast with a girl now.
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C
You guys got the sport shit. Here we are.
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That was my fault. I know. My bad, my bad.
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send it in, baby. Let the captains decide what you talked about it. And I want to. I want to know, because I didn't realize how in depth your relationship with Kyle really was. Or is. Is it, like, so weird to look back on the last, like, 10 years? Because I think a lot of people, because I'm not in the reality TV world, and so I've asked West this multiple times. It's like, are these relationships, like, real relationships? Like, when you are on a show, is it like, oh, you have to be because you're part of the show, or, like, you genuinely kind of start liking your cast mates? And I feel like Kyle is one that you guys have been through so much with. And so, like, just, like, the. The first three episodes of this season, I just feel like you have just grown and matured so much, like, every aspect of your life. And, like, now I feel like you're looking at Kyle like, hey, like, you can get out of this, and you can have. You can blossom too. But I feel like you're in a tough spot of, like, him needing to realize it himself, but also you kind of being his mentor because you've been through it.
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Very solid perspective. I. Yeah, I mean, it was interesting. Kyle's been through a lot with me on the other side. You know, before I was getting sober, Kyle had to deal with a lot of my ups and downs. You know, I'd show up to work pretty screwed up from the night before. I infamously showed up to work forgetting my laptop. So he had put up with a lot over the years with me, and, you know, we're best friends. I love the guy to death, but I definitely, you know, it's been hard seeing, you know, some of these challenges that he's gone through. But I will say, like, we both, like, when I'm having a tough time, he's there for me. When he's having a tough time, I'm there for him. But I try not to be. You know, just stand back and, like, be a helpful person. But I try to voice some things that I feel like are important, but we're very different people. And what's the psycho fitness guy that I love to death like? It's. It's gotten less of that, and I'm trying to push him back into more fitness and wellness because I think that will unlock some things for him as well.
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Yep.
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Do you. Obviously, you're like, I think you're a hyper self aware person, especially now that
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C
just too, too much to my own fault.
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B
I know, but do you, like, how much do you tiptoe? Because I feel like you would worry about having kind of like the God complex now of being the sober person, dealing with, you know, like our dumb, drunk, crybaby moments and stuff. I think you do a great job of, like, sharing your story without being condescending towards other people. But kind of to what Sophie brought up about, now it's kind of like your time to give Kyle that, like, brotherly advice. How do you navigate, like, not coming off pretentious in the, like, sobriety, like, lens?
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You know, I think it's an amazing. I'm glad you asked that, Wes, because I think that's something I'm very conscious of. I think when I first got sober, I mean, even you could ask Lindsay probably, like, I would look at people early on when I got sober, like, oh, you're just drunk. Like, I had this high and mighty, like, I was better than you kind of a little bit. And it's. It's not a great thing to be in early sobriety. Like, you don't have it all figured out. I had to humble myself a little bit and kind of step back and go, listen, whatever is okay. Whatever works best for them, that's okay. You know, not everybody's an alcoholic. Not everybody's a drug addict. You don't need to insert your own story into every little thing. So I'm just trying to step back. You know, I have some friends that of course, like, deep down in my body am I like, should I say something? Yeah, but I don't. I try to step back and just be a support, be a friend. And I try not to make a lot of our conversation all about sobriety. It's one of the most important things in my life. But I want to be just a regular guy, too. And sometimes I love my sober community. Sometimes when you're newly sober, that's, like, all you talk about.
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A
But I also want to say, though, I don't think that. I think the amount of people that I know, because they know I do this with Wes, that they bring you up and they're like, you know, it's really cool to see someone who is sober on the show. Like, I think you're not giving yourself enough credit because I think that you've given a lot of people inspiration who are in their late 20s, early 30s. Well, like, whatever it is to, like, be sober and totally be, like, so okay with that. And like, stand in full confidence to do that. So I think you need to give yourself more credit about the amount of people that you're seriously, like, inspiring to do that. Because I know there's a lot of people who want to, but they're like, oh, I might not fit in. Or like, how am I going to go socialize? Or it's like, yeah, no, Carl is like the prime example. And, like, I think you give a lot of people hope, so I think you need to give yourself a little bit more credit.
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C
No, I. I appreciate that. Something I'm working on is receiving of compliments and praise.
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A
I. I think we're all bad at that in some. Some way. You know what I mean?
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C
Sometimes. Well, I think, you know, I'm very. I feel. It's not lost on me the impact that having, you know, me and this experience and kind of being honest about my ups and downs.
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A
Yeah.
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C
And I think it's more relatable to have a group of friends that, okay, one of the people in the group doesn't drink anymore, doesn't party like that, but he still is social, still likes to have fun.
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A
Yep.
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C
And I'm proud that I get to kind of showcase a little bit of that experience to the audience, for sure. You know, And I think also I will. I'm not going to speak for Kyle or Lindsay or Amanda, who did spend a lot of time with me under the influence. I was a nightmare. I was a fucking pain in the ass. I was an asshole. I was rude. I was a dick. I was. I was just like. I was chaotic.
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Yeah.
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C
So I think if anything, the way it's. When I told, like, close friends, they were like, thank God.
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Yeah.
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C
Kind of thing, you know, so.
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A
But I. Because I think people love you. You don't need that stuff. You know what I mean? Some people actually, I don't know if really anyone needs it, but, like, some people feel like that's their whole identity.
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C
I thought it gave me this kind of, like, confidence and.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Who I thought I wanted to be. But as a result, it actually was the opposite. And I've learned it out. I've learned to kind of fall back into, like, no, this is just me. If you don't like me for this, then okay, no worries. But I.
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A
That's when you say, if you don't like me, then fuck you. It's your problem, not mine.
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C
I gotta bring Sophie on camera. I like this.
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B
Yeah. We've talked about it. One story, Carl, that really, like, it didn't, like, change how I Kind of thought about everything, but two summers ago, and Sophie, this didn't. I don't think it made the show, but basically, like, the girls stole our costumes for, like, a costume party. And do you say weird costume cost.
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C
You said costume.
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A
You said costume.
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B
Well, anyway, costume. No age. And. Okay, so they steal our costumes. We can't find them anywhere. And Carl is, like, tweaking out, like. Like, he's like, where the is my costume? Everyone, like, losing it. And I was kind of like, carl. I was like, carl, you good? Like, we'll find him later. And Carl, to your credit, you took a breath and you're like, as someone who is no longer drinking a part of these parties, I feel included with my outfits, with planning the party, with all of this. And that was such a big moment for me to click. Like, even without necessarily drinking, there's still a zillion different other ways to feel included and be a part of things that are drinking centric, but they're not specifically drinking activities. And when you told me that, you were like, this is what I. This is how I, like, have fun and feel a part of everything and feel a part of the group. I kind of, in that moment, switched to being like, yeah, fuck you, girls.
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A
Get the paper.
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C
Hey.
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A
Then you crouched out.
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C
Thank you. No, you. You nailed it. I think you nailed it. I was just gonna say I wish they showed that moment because I melted down. Sophie. I. I bought five, four costumes. Batching. I'll explain. I bought four matching costumes for Kyle, Jesse west, and myself. They were kind of douchey, fun. American flag, July 4th party outfits. I put them in the room. I go run some errands and setting up. I come back, they're gone. Now I have nothing else to wear other than a hot dog.
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A
Hey, that would have been good, too.
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C
That would have been funny. And I don't want to wear the hot dog, but I, like, tore up the house. Everybody lied to my face. Sierra specifically was like, I don't have the. And I was like, I know you're lying to me. I don't like you anymore. Because, long story short, to West Point, there is something like some of my sober friends. I have a friend who says this very well. He's like, carl, just because I'm sober doesn't mean I don't want to go out or stop getting dressed up.
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A
Yeah.
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C
And getting dressed up is another element of, like, that feeling of you're a part of it. You're participating, you're social, you're having fun. And for me, dressing up also, like, I can act and play it. Like, acting almost as like a character and being sillier, goofier or whatever it is. So dressing up, especially our theme parties, I love it because it gives me, like, another layer of just something fun to do and.
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A
Yeah.
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C
How to participate.
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A
So, dude, you guys go balls to the walls with your outfits. Like,
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C
well, Wes has also gone balls. Bowl of themes. We've got a great theme to start the summer at the country fair. You know, he's. He brought a lot of his Missouriness to the. To the table, which we love.
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A
Wait, guys, now that we're talking about this, I have got to know. Everyone wants to know how you made out with Bailey.
- [43:23]
C
How or what not how, but, like,
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B
how did it come about?
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A
Like, that is so good.
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B
We know you can't ask that question, Sophie.
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A
Yes, I can. I can ask whatever the hell I want to ask. As if he wants to answer or not. And here's my thing. It's like we have just known you, Carl, for, like, just being like the dad of the house. You're always the one who's like, up running a million miles in the morning getting everyone bagels. Like, doing bagels. Yeah, the bagels. But then we also know you as, of course, you and Lindsay had your little thing. So you've always, like, kind of been in some type of relationship. But, like, this is like fun Carl. This summer is like, so far fun, Carl. Like, you just give two. And I love to see it, like, so far, you and Amanda this year are like, bucket. This is who we are. And I absolutely love it. But, like, I want to know more about the Bailey Stitch. That's so fun.
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C
No, we. I mean, it's funny watching back the first few episodes where she, you know, she's kind of crushing up Ben, the Australian, which I think we're all crushing on Ben same. I mean, West. West.
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B
And I am.
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C
We love Ben. You know, Ben's a. Ben's a fucking stud. And he. He's like, He's a great addition to the group and such good energy. But having the girls kind of crush on him was actually kind of new. New experience where, like, there's this other guy in the house. Everybody's like, ooh, wait, were you guys jealous?
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A
Were you guys like, wait a second.
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B
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A
Be honest, Wes. Be honest.
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B
No, I'm just in my. I've been in my own head for two years. He can have fun.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Ben, I think, was the perfect person for that. He's. He wasn't like, I don't know. He's just a good dude. And the way he handled a lot of that attention I thought was a very.
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B
Yeah, he's like shy. He's like very shy. Like, very. He gets uncomfortable when girls are like, you're so hot. He, like, gets red and.
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A
Well, he said that he grew up like in a very religious, religious, religious family, so they never really talked about any of that type of stuff. So I think that that helps a little bit of like, not. Speaking of not being able to take a compliment. Ben. Fricking red.
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C
It's hard. It's hard. But, yeah, Bailey and I, you know, you'll see how the season plays out. I think it was a slower burn to get to that point, but I think Bailey's a lot of fun. I mean, I love her over sharing and like all the information. Talking about it like it's sweet. Like she's been through some brutal dating stuff. And I give her that first dinner where she opened up about sweet green. She got a fucking.
- [47:27]
B
Did you see she got a sweet green light?
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A
I saw it. But at least Carl's more like has empathetic. What is that word? Empathy.
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C
Empathy, yeah.
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A
And then you're over there going back to Jesse.
- [47:38]
C
Like two girls crying on the first dinner.
- [47:40]
A
Losers.
- [47:41]
B
Well, I, that I was like. I was just like, oh God.
- [47:46]
C
Yeah, I'm with west though. Like that was. You know, it's unusual at the first dinner for someone to kind of go to that level of emotion. And I think, yeah, it was funny as hell. Looking back, I think I did tell Bailey though. I go, you're gonna get a sweet green deal out of this.
- [48:01]
A
Yeah, she.
- [48:03]
B
The shot of Carl is him doing the fake puppy dog outlet where he's
- [48:06]
A
like, oh, guys, I want to come to Star House. And I'm just going to have complete crash out crying the whole time, emptying my whole story and see how you guys handle it.
- [48:16]
B
I will, honestly.
- [48:18]
C
So.
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A
No, guys, that is so not like me at all.
- [48:21]
C
I would never do that.
- [48:23]
B
If you, if. When you guys play the Liberty. If Carl and I can get Courtside. Courtside Liberty Fever tickets, then you're. You got a room at the house.
- [48:33]
A
What else are we supposed to be talking about here?
- [48:36]
B
Reality.
- [48:37]
C
Bailey. Bailey. The makeout was definitely hot though. I will say it was a great.
- [48:40]
B
It was good. It was hot. I can co sign that it was a hot makeup.
- [48:43]
A
Wait, guys, something. Is it weird like being in the house? Like when everyone's there and you guys just do stuff like that?
- [48:50]
C
Is it just like, like, I mean, we're real friends. Like we, we. I think we just love having a good time and I think the more we realize, like the silly, like we almost kind of egg each other on with like silly vibes or joking or being kind of ridiculous. And I think the more we spend a lot of time on camera that are off camera that you guys don't see. So we do bond. I mean, even Kyle and I and Lindsay, like the car rides. Like, you don't see all the car rides, but we really hang out in three hours of the car ride. So like there's just a lot we feel like. I don't know where we kind of. Oh, we're all, we're all here to make a great show. Like let's be ridiculous and Weird and put it all out there.
- [49:31]
B
The other thing, though, that I've always said is, like, unlike other reality TV shows where they film scenes where it's like, here's dinner, make stuff happen, and then you won't see each other and you won't film until like two days lunch. Like we are, the second we walk in the house, it's full, like 50 hours of filming non stop. And after you've done it once and you realize, like, everything I said here, like this funny moment or whatever, also don't make it. You're not like, trying to be performative because nothing you want to like, nothing you plan will be on the show and everything you don't plan will be on it. So, like, it's just a very. You have to just kind of let your guard down and just hang out because otherwise you'd be exhausted.
- [50:12]
A
Wait, I do have a question though, and this is kind of for both of you. Carl, this is off the wall, so just hang tight. Okay, I'm hanging tight. Do you guys kind of miss, like, Lindsay being on the show?
- [50:23]
B
I mean, she comes back this week.
- [50:26]
A
Well, I know because I know she, like last week they're like, oh, she doesn't have. What's the baby's name?
- [50:32]
C
Gemma.
- [50:33]
A
Yeah, Gemma. She didn't have Gemma, so she's gonna come and hang out. But, like, do you kind of miss her, like, energy and just like being friends with her?
- [50:39]
C
Yes, girl, absolutely. And you'll, you'll see on this season, I think I kind of have to face that feeling a lot more than I think I realized. You know, we were very close friends, best friends for four years before we started dating. And once we, you know, we'd been in a relationship for less than two years all in all. And not trying to minimize that, but like, since we've been broken up and been kind of living our own lives. Like, of course, like, I miss my friendship with her. I miss some of the inside jokes. I love seeing her get along with the others and like, her friendships with the girls have been strong. She bonds really well with west and Kyle. And of course I like, see those and kind of wish I had more of that. But I think you'll see on this season, the inside of me, I'm like, I wish I want to be closer to her in some way and be friendly, but don't want to be disrespectful. And there's still some closure I think that needed to happen. And you'll see kind of at the end of the summer Her. Lindsay and I do talk, which I think was really powerful.
- [51:42]
A
Well, yeah, Tell us about when she brought you your mail.
- [51:46]
C
Well, this has been going on for several years now. I'll tell you the beginning of it. Obviously, we were in a relationship. We broke up. I attended a Christmas party maybe five months after we broke up for our company that, you know, the production company we're a part of. I show up to the. The Christmas party. Everybody writes their name on, like, hello, my name is. Puts it on your sweater or your jacket. I put my name on my shirt. I'm hanging out. It overwalks one of our producers with a bag, and it says, hello, my name is Carl's Mail. And she's like, this is for you from Lindsay. And I'm like, okay. And then the next event we went to, I think it might have been the reunion. She came into the green room in the reunion and gave me a little stack of mail. Then again, last fall, we were somewhere else. But it's been something. We. We had an apartment together. So she. It actually has been really funny because I think.
- [52:45]
B
But the most recent one was, like, really cute.
- [52:48]
C
On my birthday, we were all together for a press thing for Sirius Radio. And I walk into our kind of dressing room, and she was there. Everybody was singing me Happy birthday. It was really sweet. She even participated. And then, like. Like a thick, like, here you go. Mail.
- [53:06]
A
Oh, my gosh. Wait, Carl, what if this, like, brings you guys back to, like. You guys are both thriving. I'm just talking shit. And, like, the mail is what brings you guys back to, like, getting married.
- [53:18]
C
That would be an unbelievable Hollywood ending to all of us. I mean, listen, I will say she looks amazing. She's.
- [53:25]
A
She looks hot, dude.
- [53:26]
C
She looks hot. She looks great, Kyle. And I think even west or Jesse might have caught me looking at her this past summer maybe once or twice. So.
- [53:34]
A
But I mean that. But both of you guys really are. I feel like you guys are both just, like, really healthy in every aspect or trying to be healthy. And just like, mentally, physically, emotionally, you guys are just really thriving. And that's, like, good to see. And I know that she probably loves seeing you like that too. So, like, it.
- [53:49]
C
It.
- [53:49]
B
Motherhood looks really good on Lindsay, for sure.
- [53:52]
C
Well, yeah, she. I mean, I. I know her very, very well. And to see her, she's just lighter and happier and, you know, just seeing her thrive, it just makes me happy deep down. But for me, like, you know, I. We'll see how the friendship can unfold more. I mean, we're we're cordial. At BravoCon, she, you know, it was very sweet. We had a really fun. The group at BravoCon was awesome. Like, we had a really good group. We were laughing at some of the same inside jokes. She even had some things to say to me personally. We just talked for a few minutes. So, you know, my goal is at the reunion, she unblocks me from Instagram.
- [54:28]
A
You're. You're still blocked.
- [54:30]
C
Speaking into existence manifesto blocked, which I understand totally. It's up to her. But I was just a manifesting baby. Maybe at the reunion, Andy will take his finger and Lindsay's finger and go unblocked.
- [54:44]
B
Oh, my gosh.
- [54:45]
A
I love that.
- [54:46]
C
I'm just throwing out an idea, but no, I. I wish. I don't think people fully understand the bond, like, the core group of us really have. And those inside jokes and those. And this summer that you're watching and like the episode tonight, like, there's little moments of like, me and Lindsay laughing at the same thing or Kyle, me and Lindsay laughing at the same thing. That makes me so happy because it
- [55:09]
A
felt like that close to kissing at all.
- [55:12]
C
No. You'll see. I mean, there was a pretty large fight that occurred. Yeah. And she. Lindsey, came in to actually calm me down and it kind of worked for some reason.
- [55:22]
B
I. I figured actually that that would be the best voice of reason for you in like a super hot moment.
- [55:31]
A
Honestly, was.
- [55:33]
B
I just think there's so, so many full circle things that happen when you do something like this. And like, that's one of them.
- [55:39]
A
I know. But the reason I asked that is because, like, you and Sierra, there's like some flirty little, like, cute moments that you guys both talk about. So I want to ask him with Lindsey.
- [55:46]
B
Sierra and I weren't engaged, though, or
- [55:49]
A
together for that long.
- [55:50]
C
Yeah, true. No. I know some people deep down are speculating, like, oh, you guys are in much better places now and, you know, one step at a time just trying to get back from unblocked. And I will say, yeah, it's been really, like, the friendliness of it all is amazing. We have so many mutual friends. Really good. Like, we had a core group of people that there was some awkwardness, obviously, for a period of time, and I tried my best to be respectful and kind of allow just some space and some healing to it. But it, for me, it feels good to kind of feel like I'm maybe welcome back in the group a little bit with some of the friends, but that took some time. So I'm just glad to be where we are now. For a while, it wasn't so great. But as expected.
- [56:37]
A
As expected.
- [56:38]
C
Well, even like Wes, we did that panel for 92 NY, and Lindsay and I were making cracks back and forth between each other that night, which felt. So it was like the highlight of the night for me. Like, it kind of like when Sierra's nice to West. West is like.
- [56:51]
B
I was gonna say. I get it. I get it.
- [56:54]
C
You know exactly what I mean.
- [56:56]
B
Yeah.
- [56:57]
C
So.
- [56:58]
B
Oh, good stuff.
- [56:59]
C
I was gonna say one last thing to Sophie. Being sober in the house. Just like, something that I think is important for maybe your listeners to know, you know, Like, I. I feel very lucky that I get to still do the show. There's certainly moments where I get it. Like, looking outside, you're like, wait, this guy doesn't drink. How can he do that? But I was such a terror and a pain in the ass. Like, the only way I can be a part of the show is by not drinking.
- [57:23]
A
Yeah.
- [57:23]
C
And I'm present. I'm balanced. But of course, like, I think the show itself, we have stupid shit that happens. People get into fights because of alcohol, but I can still be a dick and still be a jerk or still be human without alcohol. And I think people will see those moments too, where it's like, yeah, like, you'll get drama out of me, but it's just much healthier.
- [57:44]
B
I would like to say, though, Carl, your sobriety is much bigger than just Summer House.
- [57:48]
C
Yes, totally.
- [57:50]
B
Like, significantly bigger. Totally cooler.
- [57:54]
C
And.
- [57:54]
B
Yeah.
- [57:55]
C
Yeah. But I just. I take a lot of pride in being a part of this awesome show. And, like, I mean, Wes, you've been in massive, massive addition to what we get to do, and I feel like you brought a new energy to what we get to do. And for me to still be a part of the season 10 the way it is now, like, it's unreal that we've made it this far. I mean, my dad jokes around. We've been on TV longer than Friends and Seinfeld, which is insane. Crazy.
- [58:20]
B
That's.
- [58:20]
C
Most shows don't. Most reality shows don't make it past one season. 99% of reality shows don't make it to a second season. Yeah. And we're still kicking around, so I just feel so lucky to be able to get to do it. Sure. Am I a little bit more boring?
- [58:33]
A
And, dude, you're not. You're literally not boring. And, like, you're saying. You saying that, like, I'm still a dick. You're. Dude, you're human. Like everyone is that way. Like you're still human. You're. No one's perfect, so who cares?
- [58:45]
C
Well, I read too many comments and I've been absorbing all the non I'm the guy that I could make a hundred people smile and be the happiest ever. It's the one guy goes, it wasn't that great and I would just lose sleep all night for the one guy or the one girl.
- [58:59]
A
You need to learn how to not care so much.
- [59:02]
B
What's your trick, Sophie?
- [59:04]
A
I just don't get. I work with the sports psych guy and that has been literally a night and day difference for me. And I promise you that I've always had a confidence about me that I'm going to be to my own drum. I know my end goal, I know who I want to be. But I think that a lot of people can get in their heads. You can question if you're doing things the right way, what your character is, all that but I've truly mastered, I think the past not mastered, but pretty damn close the past like two or three years of like, this is my word and forgive me for not for, I mean little kids can't say this but like, fuck it. Like, who gives a fuck? Like I literally do not care. Like people are going to love me or hate me regardless of what I do. So why would I not just do not do what I want? Like, I don't want it to sound like this, but I just don't care what other people think of me and I just love that it's so free,
- [59:51]
B
natural or is it a learned? Is that a learned.
- [59:54]
A
I think, I think there's a little bit of natural but like I had to relearn how to not care so much because I'm someone who is a very like passionate, fiery. I love people, I care about people, but I have just really mastered the art of like I really, I don't give a. And like when I am that way, I am my best self and so I don't know, it's, it's. There's so much I wish I could
- [60:15]
C
just like have like a 30 second message that plays in the morning from Sophie. Hey, I don't give a. Yeah, don't
- [60:22]
A
give a. I promise you it is so ring and you just, you, you see just, it just is so much lighter. Things just open up when you literally don't care because honestly, these people don't know you. The people commenting, the people who are praising you and like on you. They don't know really Anything about you. They know you guys as like Summer House Carl Summer House West. Like they don't truly know you. So like, totally.
- [60:43]
C
And I, I. Part of, I think what it's. It's had me or it's allowed me to, like, I had to be honest. Like, I'm a people pleaser, which is why I feel this way. And yeah, you know, I. I've had to do a lot of therapy and work on that. I'm getting better. But you know, I've after like going through a pretty public, difficult breakup.
- [60:59]
A
Yeah.
- [61:00]
C
There was something that kind of within me. Like I felt like for a long. Like literally everybody hated me.
- [61:05]
A
Yeah.
- [61:05]
C
And you know, there was. I've had to do a lot of healing and work on that. But you know, I had a. It was a pretty rough public thing that went on and it took me probably a good year to like finally heal and feel like myself. Which is what you're watching on the current season, like in the mix. And like I finally felt like myself again in the mix.
- [61:25]
A
Yeah.
- [61:26]
C
But yeah, I need to bottle up some of that Sophie Cunningham fuck you
- [61:30]
A
energy because I think you also like both of you guys and like everyone who is in reality are just like in a platform in the public eye in general. You have to remember like that life is not normal. Like other people go through everything that we go through, but it's just not highlighted in like every little thing. Like if everyone's life was highlighted, everyone would be getting so much shit. You know what I mean? So like totally. Who cares? Like people love you guys, but you know you're going to get shit for it too. So just who cares it.
- [61:57]
C
We need Sophie on Summer House.
- [61:58]
A
No you don't.
- [62:01]
C
I would see it. Season five, we had a basketball hoop and I, we crushed pig and horse. I played. We had a good time out there.
- [62:10]
B
I love that we had a pool, basketball hoop this year. I'm waiting for that, that episode.
- [62:14]
C
Oh, we had some epic.
- [62:16]
A
I'm hoping to make it one weekend when we play New York or if I have an off to like come up and hang out. It'd be so fun.
- [62:23]
C
I think you gotta come. Yeah, we would love, love to see you.
- [62:26]
A
Yeah, it'd be good.
- [62:27]
B
Hey Carl, I love you so much. Thanks for hanging through the audio difficulties in the beginning.
- [62:32]
C
No, thanks for putting up with me. I. I'm a huge fan of you guys. I mean, Wes told me you guys were doing this. I've been a big support. I hope you guys see I like a lot of your show. Me posts and things. I'm a big fan of what you guys are doing. I think Wes is incredibly talented. He is a shining. A shining light and. Oh, guys, you are too sometimes.
- [62:53]
A
Sometimes.
- [62:54]
C
No, I think you're. You're awesome. I'm a huge fan, so I appreciate your support.
- [62:58]
A
I appreciate it.
- [62:59]
C
I can't wait to be real life and I'll show you my headings going.
- [63:02]
A
There you go. I love it. I love it.
- [63:06]
B
Show me something podcast episode 34 with Carl Radke. The. The. The best guy to ever live. Carl, we're so thankful.
- [63:13]
C
Love you. Thank you, guys. I love you guys.
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A
Good work, Carl.
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B
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C
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A
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A
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C
Whoa.
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B
My hot girl of the week was. I think you just missed her, Soph. But. And, Kev, correct me if I'm wrong, it was Miranda, the waitress at Cooks and Soldiers, it's called. She was pouring big old pours. Knew the menu. New geography was so nice. I like the whole dinner. It was me, Kev, some of the Arby's team, some of the volume team, Hampton. And the whole time, we just couldn't stop talking about how incredible the service was. And I know my tone sounds satirical, but I am, like, fully not. It was such a lovely, lovely dinner. And she. She was phenomenal.
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A
Did you get her number?
- [64:56]
B
No, I wasn't even. I wasn't even trying to. I wasn't even trying to go for that, really.
- [64:59]
A
Oh, hey, did she pour it with one hand. One hand. Like. Yeah.
- [65:07]
B
Miranda deserves Hakar Louie because she's incredible and she was so nice. Oh, and she brought us a little. We took, she brought us a little complimentary shot. Yeah. Queen.
- [65:15]
A
I like that. Okay, well, my hot girl of the week is actually an animal for the first time ever.
- [65:21]
B
Are you gonna say who I think an animal? Well, I thought you were gonna say the monkey who hugged punch.
- [65:27]
A
Oh, no, I should have, but I'm. It's my dead horse. Oh,
- [65:37]
B
Guys, I know that's serious.
- [65:40]
A
It is serious. So.
- [65:42]
B
I know.
- [65:44]
C
Guys are the worst.
- [65:45]
A
It's funny because she was a funny, good, light hearted, beautiful horse. But my, my very first horse. Her name was B. She was almost 36 years old. She actually passed away this morning. Yeah.
- [65:58]
B
What is going on?
- [65:59]
A
Oh, four one out for her. No, she was. Seriously, I'll send you a picture of her because she was beautiful and I'm not kidding. She was like the best horse you could throw anyone on her. All of our friends and family met her. I've had her since I was like born. Like I'm 29. We've had her since, I mean she was 36 years old. So I want to shout out our, our beautiful baby.
- [66:19]
B
So, yeah, sending love to Paula.
- [66:22]
A
Yeah, yeah. Mom is really, you know, kind of been out of shape, out of it. But she, she lived a great life. You know, she was a happy horse.
- [66:29]
C
So yeah.
- [66:30]
A
Yeah, it was her time. Yeah.
- [66:32]
B
Putting a horse down, sad, man. Because they're like. Well, I don't mean. I don't want to get into that. Nevermind. I was going to say they're big, they're standing up. It's just, it's really sad. And they're so pretty. It's like, it's like putting down like a supermodel. It's just weird.
- [66:46]
A
But honestly, on a real note, a lot of things that you don't think about is like horses are massive and like you have to dig some big ass holes, like, and then you have to. A lift. Lift forecast. A or forklift.
- [66:58]
B
My dad used a forklift.
- [66:59]
A
Yeah, a forklift to like grab him or grab her and then like carry like it's just a whole process. So it is actually like kind of sad, you know?
- [67:07]
B
No, it is, it is.
- [67:08]
A
Yeah. So yeah, she was good. We love her.
- [67:14]
B
No, not to end on that note, guys, but you know what? While I'm here, shout out nascar. Also Arby's in NASCAR and our boy Carson. Carson. Turn me up, Carson.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Miss ya.
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A
Miss ya.
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