Show Me Something - Sophie Cunningham & West Wilson on dating rules, emotional cheating & Fever offseason plans

Summary

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd

"Show Me Something: Sophie Cunningham & West Wilson on Dating Rules, Emotional Cheating & Fever Offseason Plans"

Date: October 18, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this candid and upbeat mailbag episode, co-hosts Sophie Cunningham (WNBA’s Indiana Fever) and Wes Wilson field listener questions on a range of personal topics—dating rules, emotional cheating, career plans, and more. Sophie discusses her offseason recovery and future ambitions, while both dissect modern relationship norms, self-growth, and the quirks of pro-athlete life. The episode focuses on honest, lively conversation, blending practical advice with humor and vulnerability.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Sophie’s Offseason Routine & Recovery (03:13–05:52)

• Injury rehab: Sophie updates listeners on her progress, joking about feeling "weak" but making steady gains.
  • “I'm getting stronger slowly but surely. I'm a weak piece of shit right now, let me tell you… but it's fine.”—Sophie (04:09)
• Balance in life: She values diversity in her activities, doing broadcasting and events as well as focusing on training.
  • “There's some people who can just, like, be in the gym 24 hours a day, 365 days a week. And, like, that is just, like, not me at all… I need the balance of both.”—Sophie (04:56)

2. Emotional Cheating & Relationship Ethics (06:00–08:15)

• Communication is key: Sophie and Wes agree cheating (emotional or physical) is a serious breach, but emphasize the importance of conversation and boundaries.
  • “If I were to catch that [emotional cheating], I would...say something to my person, and if it, like, continued, then I'd be done.”—Sophie (07:03)
  • “Emotional cheating is a little grayer and...deserves a conversation...I don’t think people always necessarily do that on purpose.”—Wes (07:47)

3. Overcoming Setbacks & Mantras for Tough Times (08:21–11:19)

• Building resilience: Wes shares he grounds himself by remembering he’s not alone and trusting he'll get through challenges.

  • “Am I going to die? No. Do I have family and friends around me who always love me?...As long as you have that base level, you can get through everything.”—Wes (08:51)

• The value of struggle: Sophie views adversity as necessary for personal growth.

  • “That's where you learn a lot about yourself. That's where you grow…there's so many benefits and beauty when there's trials.”—Sophie (10:06)

• Metaphor: Wes uses calluses as a metaphor for growing stronger through hardship.

  • “You callous as a human. Every time some shit's, like, really tough, it—It breaks you down and then you’re like a callous. You grow tougher and stronger.”—Wes (10:54)

4. Sophie's Post-career Ambitions (11:40–12:35)

• Uncertain but open-minded: Sophie hopes to play 8–10 more years, considers coaching, broadcasting, being in entertainment, or “on a yacht, not doing anything.”
  • “I would love to coach, but...the life of coaching is not so ideal...maybe broadcasting...I would also love to be on a yacht, not doing anything. We have a lot of options.”—Sophie (11:54)

5. Dating Age Gaps & Poetry (12:43–16:07)

• Dating age preferences:
  • Wes: Won’t date anyone younger than his brother (five years younger). No upper age limit, but jokes about “give me 85.”
    • “No one younger than my brother would I ever date, which is five years [younger]”—Wes (13:34)
    • “There’s no ceiling. Give me 85.”—Wes (14:29)
  • Sophie: Prefers older partners; only dated older.
    • “I think only older. I’ve only dated older.”—Sophie (16:00)
• Creative expression: Neither writes poetry, but Wes used to write rap lyrics and Sophie journals to remember special moments.

6. Collecting & Memorabilia (16:18–17:49; 21:56–22:41)

• Sophie is not a collector except for swimsuits.
• Wes collects jerseys, unique shirts, hats from places he visits, and even has a custom “Big Westie” trading card.
  • “May I interest you in a Big Westie card?...No left hand, but scrappy, wants to have fun.”—Wes (17:02)
• WNBA players don’t do jersey swaps due to limited supply:
  • “We legit get, like, two or three jerseys, and we wear that same one every game…If you mess it up, you are screwed.”—Sophie (22:47)

7. Martial Arts Histories (23:15–25:38)

• Both did martial arts as kids (taekwondo, karate, wrestling) but stopped young.
• Sophie trained under Mr. Hawkman and even got a black belt at age 6. Team did Krav Maga as off-season self-defense training in college.

8. Society Without Cell Phones or Cosmetic Surgery (26:14–29:56)

• If one invention were erased:
  • Wes chooses cell phones, wants to see how society would be different.
    • “If cell phones were not invented, our entire personalities, interactions, relationships, existence, society would be so different.”—Wes (26:34)
  • Sophie wishes Botox/injections/implants didn’t exist, for more authentic self-love and less pressure to look a certain way.
    • “It would allow people to authentically be themselves and love themselves.”—Sophie (28:27)
  • Wes jokes about dishwashers being unnecessary unless you have a family.

9. Youth Basketball Advice (30:22–35:34)

• Multi-sport development: Both urge young athletes to play multiple sports to develop diverse skills and avoid burnout.
  • “Play as many sports as long as you can...helps in so many different ways.”—Sophie (32:17)
• Simplicity in training: Even pros do basics like layups and defensive slides.
  • “So many kids think you have to do something special, but really it’s doing the most simple, basic things...even at the highest level.”—Sophie (32:45)
• Effort and attitude: Wes’s favorite advice from college:
  • “The only things I can control are my attitude and my effort.”—Wes (33:36)

10. Fights & Drama in the WNBA (35:37–38:08)

• No real brawls: Sophie says fights rarely happen, even with fiery competition. Conflict is addressed with conversation and mutual respect.
  • “That never happens. Literally never happens...Everyone just wanted to do their best to grow.”—Sophie (36:03)
• Compartmentalization: Athletes are good at handling intense moments and moving past them.
• Funny Team Punishment: Wes’s high school team made fighters hold hands and walk around the field to defuse tensions.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Callus metaphor:
  “You callous as a human. Every time some shit's, like, really tough...you grow tougher and stronger, and you'll just callous your way through life.”—Wes (10:54)

• On emotional cheating:
  “I am not a fan of any type of cheating...It's a respect type of thing. It's communication.”—Sophie (06:25)

• On playing multiple sports:
  “It helps in so many different ways...let your kids play as many [sports] as they can, as long as they can.”—Sophie (35:18)

• Jersey swap reality for WNBA:
  “We legit get, like, two or three jerseys...If you mess it up, you are screwed.”—Sophie (22:47)

• Future plans—keeping options open:
  “I would also love to be on a yacht, not doing anything. So we have a lot of options.”—Sophie (11:54)

• On invention they'd erase:
  “If cell phones were not invented...society would be so different.”—Wes (26:34)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Sophie’s off-season & balance: 03:13–05:52
• Emotional cheating discussion: 06:00–08:15
• Mantras & resilience: 08:21–11:19
• Career after basketball: 11:40–12:35
• Dating age gaps & poetry: 12:43–16:07
• Collecting memorabilia: 16:18–17:49, 21:56–22:41
• Martial arts & childhood sports: 23:15–25:38
• Removing an invention: 26:14–29:56
• Youth basketball advice: 30:22–35:34
• WNBA locker room drama: 35:37–38:08

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Tone & Takeaways

• Tone: Playful, sincere, and relatable. Both hosts are open about their strengths and faults, and the show is peppered with laughter, teasing, and encouragement.
• Takeaway: Sophie and Wes champion honesty, resilience, self-awareness, and living life with balance—whether in sports, relationships, or personal development.

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Transcript

[Sophie]

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[Sophie]

I did taekwondo and karate when I was little, but I Me too. Oh, I don't remember this move tiger.

[Wes]

And then you do this bear.

[Sophie]

No.

[Wes]

What?

[Sophie]

Where did you go?

[Wes]

It was in north, was like in Northern cl. You know, you Know where Sam's is? Like, off the highway? Dude. It was like this little studio there. Tiger.

[Sophie]

What?

[Wes]

Eagle like, stuff like that.

[Sophie]

How old were you?

[Wes]

Young. I don't think I got past being, like, a tangerine belt or something like that.

[Caller]

Foreign.

[Wes]

This is a. We're double dipping.

[Sophie]

Double dipping, baby.

[Wes]

Halfway through October. So we're just going to do a mailbag. These questions are gnarly, and it's just fun for us. Let's go.

[Melanie]

Hi, this is Melanie from Nashville, Tennessee, and I have a question. Sophie. What does a typical off season look like? And then lastly, you know, Andy Cohen is a Bravo connection with you guys, and he's from St. Louis. I thought that was neat. Anyway, Sophie, I hope you have a speedy recovery. Thanks, guys. Enjoy your podcast. Bye. Bye.

[Wes]

What a sweet lady.

[Sophie]

I didn't know that andy was from St. Louis.

[Wes]

Yeah, I'm going to a Blues game with him in November.

[Sophie]

Oh, nice.

[Wes]

The first time I met Andy, he came into my green room and gave me a big hug and said, hello, Missouri, and gave me a big squeeze.

[Sophie]

Typical.

[Wes]

His whole. If you ever watch, watch what happens live, Sophie. It's like the after show. Like, his studio.

[Sophie]

Yeah.

[Wes]

Everything is. Is like the Arch are like Cardinals, everything. So he's, like, very.

[Sophie]

Oh, shoot.

[Wes]

Like, loyal to St. Louis.

[Sophie]

I like that. So I spend my off season, I guess, right now, rehabbing. So the injury is going good. I'm getting stronger slowly but surely. I'm a weak piece of shit right now, let me tell you. Getting my ass kicked, but it's fine. But typically, in an off season for me, I would do, like, maybe some broadcasting for a team. But this year, I'm just gonna train, so I'm just gonna be lifting. That includes just, like, becoming stronger cardio and then just, like, training on the basketball court. So this is a good year for me to dial in and focus. And hopefully I can work on my tan a little bit, too, you know, in my free time. So that's what my offseason looks like.

[Wes]

You do a good job of not, like, only being a basketball player. Like, you do so many other things.

[Sophie]

Yeah. Well, thanks.

[Wes]

And you deserve that credit.

[Sophie]

Well, thank you. Because I think. I think I need that balance, though. Like, there's some people who can just, like, be in the gym 24 hours a day, 365 days a week. And, like, that is just, like, not me at all. Like, I want to work out for, like, three or four hours, and then I want to get the heck away from it. Like, I need the balance of both. Do I need it?

[Wes]

Yeah, but I mean, even professionally, like, when you. When you were doing your, like, broadcasting stuff for the Suns and stuff. That's cool. Like, a lot of people are fine hooping and, like, you've. You've opened so many doors for yourself. I think that's the smartest thing, you know?

[Sophie]

Thanks.

[Wes]

And so.

[Sophie]

Yeah, good. But. But it also allows me to, like, do cool things like this or, like, go do events or go even go back home and stuff. Actually doing stuff with the Suns last year, I was actually here a lot more because I was, like, I didn't actually get to do as much as I wanted to do in the off season. So this. This time, I'm just rehabbing and training and think it's gonna be kind of fun, to be honest. We'll see.

[Wes]

Hell, yeah. That's a sweet question. It's very kind.

[Sophie]

It was.

[Host]

All right, guys, next one coming up for you here.

[Melanie]

Yes.

[Caller]

Zach from upstate New York had a quick relationship question. How would you handle emotional cheating? I'm going through it right now. I'm just curious how you guys, if you guys have ever dealt with it. Anyway, love the pod. Keep it up. You both are amazing. Have a good night.

[Wes]

You go first.

[Sophie]

I am not a fan of any type of cheating. So I just think that, like, if you are. If you're in a relationship with someone, then you should be open enough to have communication. Even if, like, things change. It's like you. It's a respect type of thing. It's communication. And so you're always evolving. You're always growing. So is your per. The person you're dating. So, like, things are going to change. But I think the biggest thing is you need to communicate. And I feel like a lot of people stop communicating and stop dating each other. And so once you kind of stop doing that, people need that type of stuff. So maybe there is emotional cheating, but I am not a fan of that. I think if I were to catch that, I would, say, say something to my person, and if it, like, continued, then I'd be done.

[Wes]

Okay. I think you and I agree. I was gonna say, unlike physical cheating, where I think you're allowed to, like, walk away an explanation, I think emotional cheating is a little grayer and, like, deserves a conversation because technically it's so gray and, like, a lot, like, for me, I'm a very flirty person. I'm also a very, like, touchy person. And there's a lot of things that, like, I subconsciously do that are just, like, kind of part of my personality, but also because I've been in a long time that are just like, built into how I interact with people that I'm sure if I was dating someone they like wouldn't appreciate. Therefore, conversations are super important. But I don't think, I think emotional cheating, I wouldn't. I don't like the word cheating as it sounds like. So, like, it sounds like such a backstab when I don't think people always necessarily do that on purpose. But yeah, if someone is like, you know, like, doing it to you after the conversations and after you've asked for things to stop, then, like, yeah, then you can walk away from that.

[Sophie]

But yeah, good question. I agree.

[Wes]

Good question.

[Host]

All right, guys, thanks for the advice there. Moving on to number three.

[Melanie]

Ah, sugar, I forgot I was gonna say. Oh, yeah. Okay, so this is Dana from California. Anyways, I have a question for you. So if you're ever in a sit situation, feel like you just got like, knocked off your horse, so to speak, like you just kind of like got a really huge setback, is there anything that you can, like, that you depend on or some kind of catchphrase? All right, thank you for your podcast. You're both very delightful. Bye.

[Host]

All right, any positive, self, sufficient, self supporting mantras you guys got?

[Wes]

That's a really good question. A specific saying I don't have, but I've. I've always told myself, like, this sounds maybe like, kind of shallow, but like, am I, am I going to die? No. And do I have family and friends around me who always love me and that that answer is yes. And I think as long as, you know, you have that base level, I do think you can get through everything. And kind of back to our last episode, we had a question about, like, moving away from home. I think if you've been through, subjected yourself to a lot of hardships and you've made it through those. For me personally, I use the times that I have been in shitty situations. Whether that was like, laid off, ran out of money, I like, you know, like shitty on a depth chart. Like all those things, everything has worked itself out. And now that I've done it so many times, I know to just be patient and trust myself to get through it. So, Dana, you will get through this and you're going to be okay. And then that will make this next time some shit happens to you that much easier and you'll be that much more confident in yourself. So keep grinding, mamacita.

[Sophie]

Dude, that's. That was actually really great because my Biggest thing is, I think people forget in life, especially with social media nowadays, everyone thinks that everyone's life is so easy and rainbow and butterflies and it's just, you know, it's so perfect on the other side, but it's really not. Like, everyone goes through struggles, everyone goes through trials. And, like, my biggest thing is that's where you learn a lot about yourself. That's like, where you grow.

[Wes]

Grow.

[Sophie]

Right. And so I think that if you don't have those things, even, like, with an injury, like, I don't really know what she's going through. But, like, if it's physical health, if it's mental health, if it's all that type of stuff, like, sometimes that's when maybe you're more grateful. Your perspective shifts and changes, and on the other side of it, you're a lot more happy, and you're a lot more grateful that you went through it because you learned so much more about yourself or around. About the people around you. Like, there's so many benefits and beauty when there's trials. I think it's hard, don't get me wrong. But you're always going to come out on the other side of it.

[Wes]

Yeah. Yeah. So, Dana, right now, it sucks, but you're going to be so. You're going to be a beast afterwards. And you just got to know that. And you got to know that. It's like, I love to say that you. You callous as a human. Every time some shit's, like, really tough, it. It breaks you down and then you're like a callous. You grow tougher and stronger, and you'll just callous your way through life. That's a very good question.

[Sophie]

It is. Stay positive, though.

[Wes]

Yeah.

[Host]

Very inspirational, very motivational, guys. I like the metaphor of being a callous. It makes me look at calluses in a different way now.

[Wes]

Dude, calluses are beautiful.

[Sophie]

Dude, they're good for you. Not the ones on my feet.

[Wes]

No, we don't want those.

[Sophie]

That's all.

[Host]

I said be the callus of life. All right, next one for you guys here, number number four. Here we go.

[Caller]

Hey, Sophie West. It's a question for Sophie. Are you thinking that you get out of the league? I mean, what do you see yourself doing it? Are you the type that's going to be coaching? Just kind of wondering. Thanks. Name is Gerald, by the way.

[Sophie]

Gerald. Yeah. Well, hello, Gerald. You know, I don't really know what I want to do when I'm done playing. I feel like I want to play as long as I can Maybe another eight to ten years. Who knows? I. I would love to coach, but I also think, like, I want to get married and I want to have a family, and the life of coaching is not so ideal for all that. So there's that. I'd love to do broadcast. I would love to be in the entertainment space. So who knows? Like, I. I would also love to be on a yacht, not doing anything. So we have a lot of options. I don't know yet, so just kind of being where my two feet are at right now.

[Host]

All right, so thanks for sharing. Next question here. Number five, the dating question. So we need both you guys for this one.

[Caller]

Two questions. One, what is your baseline for dating? Age wise, youngest and oldest for both of you? And a second question. Do either of you write poetry? And if you do, what's that about? Or what's that like for you? Thanks. Bye.

[Wes]

I don't write poetry per se, but I loved rhyming a lot of my childhood and would, like, write like.

[Sophie]

West is actually a rapper.

[Wes]

Lyrics. Yeah. So not poetry, per se. But if you give me two beers, I'll freestyle for you. If that's. If that's what we're looking for. The age thing.

[Host]

Do Old west raps exist? Are they out there? West?

[Wes]

Yeah. I have a song called.

[Melanie]

Oh.

[Wes]

It was a geometry song that we made in 9th grade.

[Sophie]

Could be pretty good.

[Wes]

It was. And we got like a. And we got like a B plus, which was. Which was so whack. Okay. Age wise, I think it's so weird when the age gap is huge that I would always, like, I will always keep it, like, pretty tight, and I would advise other people to just like, like, also keep it tight. My brother is five years younger than me, and I've always thought that he was like, I like, looked out for him and he's. He'll always be a pup. So I think I've just kind of. As I move through life, I've always thought no one younger than my brother would I ever date, which is five years. So for me right now it would be 26. And I'm 30, 25.

[Sophie]

It's not that bad. I feel like the older you get. It's not that bad.

[Wes]

I agree. But like, now I just think it people. It just is like, so people are so weird. I wouldn't even tempt it, even if you think it's normal.

[Sophie]

Okay, so say.

[Wes]

And then older. There's no ceiling. Give me 85.

[Sophie]

Oh, no. Ew. Ew. No.

[Wes]

She's probably experienced.

[Sophie]

So you're saying that if you were in New York and there was this really pretty girl, cool vibe, great job. Well, for herself, and you turn out, she's. She turns out to be like 26, you would say no, but she's like, you're tight everything.

[Wes]

26, four years younger. I don't think crazy, but like, yeah, I would. I don't think I'd. I would especially date. I don't think I'd go, yeah, because.

[Sophie]

I feel like the maturity level is still just different.

[Wes]

I just. I just know when I meet a couple and the dude is like 30 and the. And the girlfriend is 25, I'm like, you're a fucking weirdo. Like, I. I always think those dudes are whack, you know, saying like that couple where the guys like, like drives a truck and she's like, way younger, you're just like, I don't. You guys are. You guys are weirding me out. You guys weird me out, but not.

[Sophie]

You and your 85 year old wife.

[Wes]

All right, that's fine.

[Sophie]

You have the handicap sticker. Oh, yeah.

[Wes]

That's why you do it.

[Sophie]

Facts. I do not write poetry or anything like that, but I do journal. I. I do like to journal because I feel like so many fun things happen and I forget, like, little moments that are either like, good, bad, funny, dumb. And so like, I like to write all that stuff down, especially during season or if like something cool happened or I get to go do something fun.

[Wes]

I don't know.

[Sophie]

It's kind of fun to look back on. But I'm right there with you, I think. Only older. I've only dated older.

[Wes]

That's more typical, though, for girl. Like, I feel like the age gap is usually older guy, younger girl. I'd love to date like a divorce for like a second. Anyways, next question.

[Host]

Question number six.

[Sophie]

Here.

[Host]

Here we go.

[Caller]

Hi, this message is actually for Sophie, but, Wes, I would love your op as well. My name is Josh, and my question is about collecting. Do you have any personal collections of any, you know, players cards or jerseys? Please let me know. And thanks and keep putting out great shows. We really appreciate it. All right, thanks again.

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[Sophie]

All right, Josh. Well, Wes left, so. Oh, here he is. I'm not a big collector of things, so I. I don't like having a lot of stuff, and so I haven't been a big collector of things. I think my biggest collection would be my swimsuits.

[Wes]

That's good. Yeah, I love collecting jerseys. When I was in like junior high, that was such a cool thing. However, Josh, DM Me. And may I interest you in a Big Westie card? This is a Big Westie collector's edition from the McDonald's All American Game in Houston, Texas. It says big Westie, height 6 foot, weight 210. 210. High School, Rockbridge High School, College of Montana State. And then my bio says no left hand, but scrappy wants to have fun. It's tops. It's literally a Tops card. So if anyone needs a Big Westie card, Josh, I'll send you one.

[Sophie]

That's actually. Who made those tops?

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[Sophie]

Oh, so some tops just made one for you?

[Wes]

Well, I was there covering the McDonald's All American game, and they were like, do you like, we make the tops cards for the players? And I was just there and I was like, oh. I was like, guys, say less.

[Sophie]

Wait, so did you put your own description on the back? Yeah.

[Wes]

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[Wes]

Can I add one more thing for Josh? I love collecting shirts and hats or, like, sweatshirts from, like, dive bars or, like, diners or cafes in places I've visited. I think those are so classic and, like, just a great representation of whatever, like, little fucking town you were visiting or, like, ones from home or ones from where you went to school. I think anything that's, like, the diner. Columbia, Missouri. Like, that shit's so sick, and it's timeless, and it. And it'll always be like a conversation starter. Yeah, so that's like. That's one of mine favorite. Oh, also like, Shakespeare's pizza cup. So.

[Sophie]

Yep.

[Wes]

Like, I have, like, four. I have, like, 14 of those.

[Sophie]

Dude. I have, like, five of them in here, too. Yeah, I always have that.

[Host]

So if I feel like a lot of NBA players do, like, the jersey swap. Do w. Girlies do that? Like, you ever.

[Sophie]

Dude, we don't get to do jersey swaps because we legit get, like, two or three jerseys, and we wear that same one every game. So, like, they kind of get like, multiple. Like, if they were going to do that, they would have another one that they could have. We don't get that option because we literally get, like, three jerseys. If you mess it up, you are screwed. So no.

[Host]

All right, good to know. Good to know. Okay, here goes. Question number seven.

[Caller]

Hello there. So my question is, do you still train martial arts? And if so, how often, a week or month does your schedule allow you to train? Thank you so much.

[Wes]

Well, did you train martial arts?

[Sophie]

No, I was. I did taekwondo and karate when I was little, but I.

[Wes]

Me too.

[Sophie]

Oh, I don't remember this move.

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[Wes]

And then you do this.

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[Wes]

What.

[Sophie]

Where did you go?

[Wes]

It was in north. It was, like, in northern. You know where Sam's is, like, off the highway. Dude, it was like this little studio there. Tiger.

[Ad Reader 1]

What?

[Sophie]

Eagle.

[Wes]

Like, stuff like that.

[Sophie]

How old were you?

[Wes]

Young. I don't think I got past being, like, a tangerine belt or something like that.

[Sophie]

But no, we were. We did taekwondo with Mr. Hawkman. Ata. And I know that name.

[Wes]

Mr. Hawkman.

[Sophie]

You. He's awesome. Like, he. They produce, like, badasses. Like, they go do, like, tournaments and stuff around the world, like, with taekwondo and stuff like that. But I stopped at age 6. I got my black belt, and I was done. So it was fun.

[Wes]

I wrestled. My dad was big, and my dad had me wrestle for a long time.

[Sophie]

I was like, okay, junior high.

[Wes]

I quit wrestling. Probably fifth or sixth grade. But it's good to learn to like. Like, you and I have played team sports our whole lives. Playing a sport where you're by yourself on a mat kind of, you got to, like, learn to grow some fucking balls and, like, go get after it. So wrestling's a good sport if you want to get your kids, like, aggressive.

[Sophie]

Wait, have you ever tried Krav maga? No.

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What?

[Sophie]

Dude, you need to go do that. So it's like a self defense class, but it is. It is hard, but super cool. So I did that in college. Like, our team did that during the summer.

[Wes]

In between your fingers.

[Sophie]

Yeah, yeah. So when someone says eagle or bear? Brainstem. Brainstem. Brainstem.

[Wes]

Eye gouge. I gouge.

[Sophie]

The answer is no. We haven't done that in so long.

[Wes]

Yeah, sorry, no martial arts here. That's good. Bear spray.

[Sophie]

Yeah, it's all your. Your sound effects with everything. Yeah. Oh, God, not Wes. Getting carried away.

[Caller]

Literally.

[Wes]

Yeah, sorry, I'm getting sweaty.

[Host]

Fact check these questions. This actually ended up being a great informative. Let's say we've learned some pretty good moves here. Thanks, guys. All right, here's question number eight.

[Melanie]

All right, here's my wild question. If you had to remove one invention from all of history, which would it be and why? Thanks, guys. Love the content. Have a good one.

[Sophie]

Wow, that is a great question.

[Wes]

I don't even know for the sake of, like, entertainment, if cell phones were not invented, our entire personalities, interactions, relationships, existence, society would be so different. And like, it was, I think that we had a golden age of cell phones being beneficial. And I would imagine at this point they're not good for us. And I think everything pendulum. So like, we'll go back in 10 years so, like, people will like, detach from their phones a little once we're. Once all of our brains melt. But like, for the sake of this question, I think, like, if that invention never happened, seeing what society would look like today would be incredibly interesting, don't you think?

[Sophie]

1,000%. And I, I just think that, like, you would have to be more friendly and more outgoing and like, people would get along more. People would have good conversations. People would be more inviting and more welcoming. So I'm so there with you.

[Wes]

Yeah, yeah. But I mean, people, like society thrived without phones. Like, it would be fine.

[Sophie]

And I do like how. But I think it's writing letters and like cards with letters. Handwritten stuff is like, so like those are cherishable to me because, like, no, you don't get that anymore. Everyone just texts and calls and so I think I do like the phone for, like, if you need something, call. But everything else, I think it's kind of ruined. Just saying.

[Wes]

Do you have one?

[Sophie]

I do. And this one's, like, kind of superficial, but I kind of wish, like, Botox, injections, implants, all that. That wasn't a thing.

[Wes]

Because I just think. Because why?

[Sophie]

I just think that it would allow people to, like, authentically be themselves and love themselves. And, like, there wouldn't be a standard to look a certain way because those standard people are all full of plastic. So, like, why are. Why is our society and culture chasing something that's not even real?

[Wes]

Yeah, sort of. To what I was saying earlier, my guess is again, 10, 15 years from now, we pendulum back, and then that look is, like, not in. I'm gonna add one more.

[Sophie]

Oh, yeah, go for it.

[Wes]

Oh. Because I live in New York City, I didn't have a dishwasher for the last seven years, and then I just moved into an apartment with a dishwasher. And I'm kind of like, there's no need for this at all. Like, hand washing your dishes is actually more efficient. And then you hand wash them, and then you put them away. The dishwasher, you just, like, put shit in there and kind of wait until you fill up your dishwasher and then clean them. I don't think dishwashers are. I don't think we need them.

[Sophie]

Pause, pause. What. What if once you get married and have a family and say you have four or five kids and there's a.

[Wes]

Lot of plates and a lot of bowls? Good call. Good. Great call. Great call. Out.

[Sophie]

Okay, I do. I do get what you're saying, though. Like, if you're just like, by yourself, like, just do it yourself. But I'm thinking, like, big families or all that type of stuff. I'm like. It could come in handy.

[Wes]

Okay, good call.

[Sophie]

It does come in handy.

[Wes]

Good call. Yeah. Well, I will. I won't know until I take off.

[Sophie]

Yeah. Facts.

[Host]

As someone with a family, in a household of four, actually, when I heard cell phone versus dishwasher, it made dishwasher sound pretty good. Just for future. Yeah, for future reference. All right, guys, here is question nine.

[Melanie]

Hi, my name is Maddie, and I'm a basketball player from New Jersey. And I want to ask how. How can I involve. Evolve my game?

[Wes]

She got the question off. Got the question off. Maddie, I was going to say so be evolved in high school because her student section was so loud and involved that it made playing defense easier. And we hyped her up so much that it helped grow her game just from the pure. Any energy standpoint at Rockwood, Tyson, Energy, confidence, everything. Yeah, it depends on, like, what age you are. It like, totally changes how you want to, like, become better your sport athletically. I think football is weird because people put a lot of emphasis on weight training and like, getting stronger. Oh, wait, also, Matty, you're. I mean, you're probably not playing football if I had to guess. So you probably don't care what I'm saying. I, I believe in playing more than one sport if you're still young. Like, I think don't, don't just stick to basketball if that's what you're playing. I think soccer is going to help you with footwork. I think softball will help you with hand eye coordination. And once you get to high school and you know what you're good at, I think lock in and commit to that one sport. But like, a lot of kids, like, stop or like, isolate what sports they play like from a really young age now. And I don't think that's good for growing athletically because you're still growing and learning, like, about your body. And I think you'll like, be able to hone in, like, so many different skills from kind of testing yourself with different, like, athletic activities. So that would be my advice. And Maddie, for your dad, but your dad, that don't. Yeah, don't let him lock you into something.

[Sophie]

No, literally, I think that's the biggest thing is, like, it's almost the parents and really the coacher, the coaching, who is like, forcing these kids to pick one sport when they're in third grade. And it's like, no, like, play as many sports as long as you can. Because just repeating what you said, it helps in so many different ways. But I think for me specifically with basketball, I think that so many kids think you have to do something special, but really it's doing the most simple, basic things. And so that's like, even in the wnba, we still do layup lines. We still work on Figure 8 ball handling. We still work on defensive slides. Like, we do the most basic things even at the highest level. And so it's just like learning how to do those and don't getting. Not getting bored with them. I think always being the hardest worker on any team that you are on is always a really, really good thing. Being a great teammate is huge. But at the end of the day, I think if you are the hardest worker that remember to have fun, like smile, laugh, enjoy what you are doing because you're getting your butt kicked to practice. So when it's game time, like, go out there, enjoy it with your teammates. Like, that's. That's the fun part. But be the hardest worker and do the. The basic, simple things really, really well.

[Wes]

My special teams coach in college always said there's only two things you can control. Your attitude and your effort.

[Sophie]

Yep.

[Wes]

And I've. I think about that quote every single day that I'm alive. The only things I can control are my attitude. I'm going to have a good time, I'm going to have fun, I'm going to be positive and my effort, and I'm going to give it my all and try my hardest, and then everything else will fall into place. Love, Wait. Also, the other thing I want to say, if you, like, if you do one sport from an early age, you can burn out on that sport, like, so fast. And this is also for, like, if parents are listening. Like, if you. If you're a basketball family, but, like, you get to play soccer or run track or, like, do whatever while you're growing up, then you, like, have time to do other things, and it makes you love. Love basketball more. If you're doing basketball drills for 12 months of the year and, like, you're gonna burn out so, so, so hard, like, just like, Wes, travel, baseball. Those families. Those families are, like, never home. And it's for, like, seventh graders.

[Sophie]

How many sports did you play growing up.

[Wes]

Ev? I mean, I. I graduated high school and still played football and ran track and then played, like, Columbia basketball, like, rec basketball. So I was never, like, only playing football, but I ran track in high school, too. Yeah, my dad's big thing was playing soccer because organized football is not worth, like, it's pretty crazy to have, like, first graders trying to, like, run offense. You know what I mean?

[Sophie]

Oh, yeah.

[Wes]

So my. My dad had us play soccer so that we could learn how to use our feet and have good footwork. And then when. When football gets, like, somewhat more organized, then we switched over to football.

[Sophie]

Yeah, Smart. That's a. That's what I was going to say. We did swimming, gymnastics, softball, golf, basketball, volleyball, track. Like, we did all. We did all of it because it. It all helps. So if anyone's listening, like, let your kids play as many as they can. So as long as they can.

[Host]

All right, cool. Cool. All right, last one here for you guys.

[Sophie]

Last one. Best one.

[Caller]

Hey, Sophie. My name is Josh, and I have just graduated the University of Iowa. I got a little question for you how often does stuff like that go on in the WNBA where, like, something happens on the court that's obviously disrespectful and you guys kind of pick up your fists and take it in the locker room after the game? Is that something that happens quite a lot?

[Sophie]

No, honestly, that. That never happens. Literally never happens. And, like, it barely even happens on the court. I think probably what I did this year is the most that's been done in years. But yeah, that's just not how we roll on our side. But I will say there are a lot of, like, I actually know what. This team was so good this year with Indiana that, like, we would just talk it out. Like, it like, everyone was very understanding. Everyone just wanted to do their best to grow. And sometimes part of being an elite level athlete is you can't always listen to the tone of people because everyone's competing at such a high level that you just have to listen to the message. And so that's on you to mature, to grow, to know that, like, everyone's in it for the same reason. You're trying to win. But no, there's, there's never fights in. I say that there's a massive fight next year, but there's never fights in the locker rooms.

[Wes]

My little brother went to Iowa, so shout out, brother. Go Hawks. And I again, I don't play in the wnba, but I've played sports for a long time. Most athletes are very confident people, very smart people, and used to playing a sport at like, a very high energy level and then going to class or going home to their family. Like, athletes who have played sports for a long time are very capable of compartmentalizing, like, such high energy when they're playing their sport. And like, I have seen so many football fights where dudes are punching each other in the head and literally 10 seconds later on the same football field dab each other up and hug it. And then we like, everything's good. Funny story, my head football coach, my junior senior year, if two players got in a fight, they'd have to hold hands and walk around the football field once. It was the best, the best post fight, like, punishment you could ever have. And it's like, kind of funny because everyone would do it and you just like, laugh about it. But yeah, it's a good question.

[Sophie]

No, that is a good question.

[Wes]

The locker room is like kind of a sacred place and fighting in the locker room is, like, not a good thing to do.

[Sophie]

No, if that's happening, someone's probably getting kicked off, like, that just doesn't happen. Well, we are 10 for 10. We appreciate you guys calling in. These are like our most fun segment, I feel like, because we just never know what's gonna happen. And so you guys are getting our honest, authentic opinions.

[Wes]

That's it. Just a little Thursday mailbag. We might do this again. If it does well, if you like it and share it and post it on your Facebook page for your mom and aunt to comment on, we'll do.

[Sophie]

This again and call in, have your have your and mom call in and leave voicemails. Thanks guys.

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[Sophie]

This is an iHeart podcast.