The Best Of Covino & Rich

Summary

The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Episode: The Best Of Covino & Rich
Release Date: January 14, 2025
Host/Authors: Rich Davis, Steve Covino, and Kavino
Description: A deep dive into the top sports stories, featuring insightful discussions, debates, and engaging segments.

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1. Mike McCarthy’s Coaching Conundrum

Timestamp: [01:22] – [06:58]

Rich Davis initiates the conversation by dissecting the Dallas Cowboys' decision to block the Chicago Bears from interviewing Mike McCarthy for their head coaching vacancy. Covino and Kavino ponder whether the Cowboys' move stems from territorial instincts common in sports or is simply a strategic play by Jerry Jones.

• Rich Davis: “It was just last week that the Bears asked for permission to interview Mike McCarthy. And what did the Cowboys say? No, that would be like you knowing that a girl you're sort of messing around with, she's not the one, and you prevent her from maybe meeting a really good guy.” [01:22]

The discussion shifts to McCarthy’s age, with Kavino expressing surprise at his 61 years, countering the common perception of coaches as predominantly younger. They explore the challenges and prospects for McCarthy in securing another head coaching position, especially in an NFL landscape favoring younger leadership.

• Kavino: “Older than I thought, 61.” [02:30]

Dan Byer adds depth by highlighting the ripple effects of such hiring decisions, emphasizing that a coach’s movement affects entire coaching staffs and the franchises involved.

2. The Rarity of Multiple Head Coaching Positions

Timestamp: [07:00] – [17:48]

Rich and Kavino draw parallels between coaching careers and entertainment franchises, noting the exceptional nature of individuals who successfully manage multiple head coaching roles across different teams. They reference iconic actors like Sylvester Stallone and Harrison Ford to illustrate the prestige and difficulty of maintaining relevance across multiple platforms or teams.

• Kavino: “Three is elite territory. Like, it’s rare and exceptional.” [16:40]

Dan Byer provides historical context by mentioning coaches like Dan Reeves and Marty Schottenheimer, who have led multiple teams but often at a high personal and professional cost.

3. AJ Brown’s Sideline Book Reading: Mental Preparation or Sign of Frustration?

Timestamp: [24:08] – [47:05]

A significant portion of the episode focuses on Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver A.J. Brown, who was observed reading a book titled Inner Excellence during a critical playoff game. This action sparked debate among the hosts about whether it signifies effective mental preparation or reflects disinterest and frustration with his role in the game.

• Rich Davis: “He caught one ball for 10 yards, right? When you catch one ball for 10 yards, at that point of the game and you're reading a book on the sideline, I just think optically, it paints a different picture.” [37:56]

Kavino defends Brown’s behavior by emphasizing the importance of mental health and personal focus methods, while Rich remains skeptical, interpreting it as a potential indicator of disengagement.

4. Russell Wilson’s Contract Negotiations and Future in the NFL

Timestamp: [30:47] – [35:00]

The hosts delve into quarterback Russell Wilson’s ongoing contract negotiations, questioning whether Wilson will secure a long-term deal or potentially shift to a more temporary arrangement. Comparisons are made to other quarterbacks like Baker Mayfield and Geno Smith to contextualize Wilson’s market value and potential roles.

• Dan Byer: “I say it's probably like a one-year deal worth like $7 million.” [32:05]
• Kavino: “He might have to settle for like Dan said, seven. Man, that's tough.” [32:36]

The conversation highlights the complexities of NFL contracts, especially for veterans like Wilson who face diminishing performance metrics but still hold significant value due to their experience and leadership.

5. Interactive Trivia Segment: Last One Standing

Timestamp: [43:38] – [66:17]

The episode features an engaging trivia game segment titled "Last One Standing," where hosts and callers compete in sports-related questions. This lively part of the podcast brings humor and competitiveness, showcasing the hosts' deep sports knowledge and quick thinking.

• Spot (Fact Checker): “Each contestant gets five seconds to stay alive in the round.” [54:13]
• Dan Byer: “Brett Favre.” [56:42]

Notable moments include humorous exchanges about coaching strategies, player performances, and light-hearted banter about personal anecdotes and sports trivia.

6. Caller Interactions and Additional Discussions

Timestamp: [47:42] – [66:17]

Throughout the episode, callers contribute their perspectives, raising questions about team strategies, player behaviors, and coaching decisions. A notable discussion revolves around the Minnesota Vikings vs. Los Angeles Rams game, with debates on team performances and future matchups.

• Rich Davis: “How about getting Aaron Rodgers?” [20:05]
• Caller: “Hashtag cheater.” [54:42]

These interactions add a dynamic layer to the podcast, allowing listeners to engage directly and hear diverse viewpoints on current sports topics.

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Notable Quotes

• Rich Davis: “It’s a very strategic move because he has the answer for everything. Like, it’s a self-help book. What? Because then it’s mental health and I’m in the right spot.” [46:10]
• Kavino: “Content matters. Because it’s a mental health book. And I think, you know, he’s trying to either he’s trying to bring his best, or like Rich said, he’s trolling us...” [43:38]

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Conclusion

"The Herd with Colin Cowherd – The Best Of Covino & Rich" offers an in-depth exploration of significant NFL coaching movements, player behaviors, and the intricate dynamics within sports franchises. Through engaging discussions, insightful debates, and interactive segments, Rich Davis, Steve Covino, and Kavino provide listeners with a comprehensive understanding of the latest sports narratives, making it an essential listen for avid sports enthusiasts.

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Transcript

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[Rich Davis]

It was just last week that the Bears asked for permission. The Bears to interview Mike McCarthy. And what did the Cowboys say? No, that would be like you knowing that a girl you're sort of messing around with, she's not the one, and you prevent her from maybe meeting a really good guy. Like, isn't that a very selfish move of the Cowboys to be like, you can't talk to him. Yeah, but we don't want them.

[Kavino]

Maybe there's more than meets the eye, though. Of course I agree with you. Right? Of course. But maybe they weren't ready to pull that trigger. Maybe they were unsure, which is never a good thing in relationships either, right? True. Maybe it's a territorial thing in sports, as you know, moves are made to block the competition sometimes. That's true. So maybe that's also part of the thinking. But yeah, he's gone. Mike McCarthy, your thoughts on that too? We welcome him. 87799 on Fox. What are your thoughts, Rich?

[Rich Davis]

I, I, my instinct is that again, I'm not sitting down there with Jerry Jones. Simmer down.

[Kavino]

Mike McCarthy. Older than I thought, 61.

[Rich Davis]

You know what? I agree. I thought he was just an old looking 50 something.

[Kavino]

Yeah, I thought he was like a good 55, tops. Not that 61's old by any means. Look, been around a long time. Think about him in the Green Bay days, but I didn't think he was 61.

[Rich Davis]

Time's flying.

[Kavino]

Yeah.

[Rich Davis]

Danny G. What is your instinct? Or I was. Sam. Damn. Buyer.

[Kavino]

Anyone?

[Rich Davis]

Chime in, he's right up there.

[Kavino]

Andy Reid, 66.

[Rich Davis]

Is there the same feeling you had when you. When you heard McCarthy got let go, where you're like, man, you know what? Maybe there were some territorial, like, you can't talk to him. And then they didn't keep him.

[Dan Byer]

Anyway, I thought it was probably best for both parties to part ways. It is just funky on how Jerry Jones operates. And. Yeah, no, you can't talk to him. Can't talk to him. We have big plans, and then in a week, all of a sudden, everything has changed. Not even a week.

[Kavino]

DB there's sayings and expressions that my mom uses all the time, but they're always better in Spanish. And I don't speak Spanish very well. I don't speak English very well. And there's a saying or an expression that goes along the lines of she's. Or he's like the dog that doesn't want his food but doesn't want anyone else to have it either. So that's kind of how the cowboys were acting like, nah, we don't want them, but we don't want you to have them either.

[Rich Davis]

Oh, camino de perro esmui. You know, delicios.

[Kavino]

There's all sorts of crazy expressions.

[Rich Davis]

I ain't eating, no one's eaten.

[Kavino]

Sana sana, colito de rana, something like that. I don't know.

[Rich Davis]

S O C K S o pecho.

[Kavino]

But no, no, it's. It seems wrong, but I'm sure there was some reason or maybe, maybe not. Like Dan said, maybe it's just how Jerry Jones operates.

[Dan Byer]

Jerry Jones also said that they never got to the contract portion of it. And anybody who's been reporting on this says it's absolutely gone to the contract portion of it. And so I think that there's. I don't know who to believe, but I just wouldn't tend to believe Jerry Jones in this situation that maybe Mike McCarthy's demands were way too high. And so it wasn't realistic that he was going to return. But it's just Interesting to see Jerry Jones point out that they never got to the negotiation phase even though his contract expires tomorrow.

[Kavino]

Guys, how about this saying, you know, forget about the Spanish one, about the dog. How about never let your left hand know what your right hand is doing. Why should Jerry Jones as an owner give up his cards to let everybody know that this was going to be the case?

[Rich Davis]

It is big business.

[Kavino]

You know, I understand what Richard's saying. It's a courtesy thing, but it is business. It's competition. You know, why, why, why put your cards out there is what I'm trying to say.

[Dan Byer]

There's also, though, a trickle down effect to this. And one of the things that wasn't pointed out aside from this is I'll just say this. The Bears, to me interviewing 20 different people when they haven't had a head coach since Thanksgiving is absurd to me over what have you done since the end of November to not figure out what type of person you want to lead your franchise? So if the Bears had five interviews and they're like, okay, these are the guys we wanted, that makes sense because it took six weeks to figure it out. I think the Cowboys have had five years to figure out if they want Mike McCarthy and if his contract expires tomorrow, you probably have this same decision last week. But the other domino is you have a whole staff of guys who, if they don't coach the Cowboys, who are they going to coach for? Whether Mike McCarthy does or doesn't get another job, all of his assistants also need to find work. So while it may seem that Jerry Jones is being thorough, it actually didn't do a lot of the parties any favors because it's was a week after the regular season.

[Kavino]

And that's why I was investigating his age too, because some teams want new blood, some teams require that old school leadership. So I was just wondering where his fit would be.

[Rich Davis]

I, you know, we've heard stories, like in our world stories where, I don't know, some big morning show, the host is about to buy a house and the program director knows they're getting fired but lets them buy the house. It's like there's a professional courtesy, but that's the story.

[Kavino]

That's the story. But is that really the truth?

[Rich Davis]

Exactly. For all we know, for all we know, Jerry Jones. I'm going to make up a scenario.

[Kavino]

But for all we know, that that boss that you just described was handed a different budget and all of a sudden he's like, oh, sorry.

[Rich Davis]

No, I was going to say, for all we know, Jerry Jones came to the table thinking, all right, now, settle down, Mike McCarthy. We're going to give you, you know.

[Kavino]

We'Re going to work this out.

[Rich Davis]

We're going to give you, settle down.

[Andy]

Just a little bit.

[Rich Davis]

We're going to give you a year or so to get this right.

[Kavino]

Put your hollering, we're going to figure it out.

[Rich Davis]

For all we know, Mike McCarthy came in there, there all cocky like, yeah, you are. And you're going to give me a five year deal. And it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what? Now hold on. So let's not all make it look like Mike McCarthy's the, the victim right away because we don't really know what happened. But I ask you, because you're a big Yankees fan and you're saying, what does that have to do with anything? The price of bananas. If you're a coach in baseball, if you're a manager, there was always, let's be honest, a mystique of like, if you could be the manager of the Yankees, that's as bad as, as it gets in baseball. Right. You're, you're, as much as I roll my eyes at your pinstripe conversations, to manage the Yankees, sort of a damn honor. Right. In the NFL. Is it appealing to go to the Cowboys knowing that Jerry Jones is just hovering, knowing that there's an expectation by the fans, by ownership, they're like, you better get it done. Like, the leash is short, but you're still the coach of the Cowboys. Is that like, is that appealing?

[Kavino]

I know that you're angling it to be a position that's lost its luster, but I don't think that's the case. I think being the manager of the Yankees is still a highly coveted position. You're going to get paid, but there's expectations, and I think that's what people are scared of, you know, the expectations that are required for this position.

[Rich Davis]

Oh, the leash is short at any organization, so you might as well coach the Cowboys. Right?

[Kavino]

Right. Like, if you're going to coach a team, you think there's less pride or more pride in being the coach of the Cowboys? Yeah, there's more pressure. There's more expectations to win, but that still comes with a lot of clout. I think whoever's in line for that job takes that with an immense sense of pride. But. But with that comes a lot of pressure. I agree with that. I don't think it's a bad thing by any means. I think people just like to shy away from those expectations.

[Rich Davis]

Now, in any industry, there comes a time where it's like, is that guy going to get or is that woman going to get another job? Do you think Mike McCarthy, after a run in Green Bay, won a Super bowl, went to Dallas, couldn't get the job finished. But let's be honest, a handful of 12 and five seasons, they had good regular seasons, they had some injuries. It's not his fault. Does Mike McCarthy get a job easily? Or is Mike McCarthy the type of guy that, hey, maybe he'll throw his hat in some broadcasting, take a backseat and then reemerge like in three years.

[Kavino]

Again, based on him being 61, I think option B is more likely for a guy like him.

[Rich Davis]

Look at the rear.

[Kavino]

I think a lot of people want to take new ideas, younger leaders. That's just how I see it. I don't think there's not a lot of Andy Reeds in the league anymore.

[Rich Davis]

Who's trying to reemerge right now? Rex Ryan? Yeah, maybe Gruden.

[Kavino]

But he also dipped out for a while.

[Rich Davis]

That's what I'm saying.

[Kavino]

So maybe it's time for McCarthy to reinvent himself a little bit. Not saying he's out of it. He could always come back. But is anyone really knocking down his door? What do you think?

[Dan Byer]

Well, the Bears and Saints are possible landing spots for him, but it also puts him in a unique territory. Of how many guys have coached three different NFL teams? We hear a lot of two. There have been a select group that have done four.

[Rich Davis]

Bill Parcells, maybe it comes at a high price.

[Dan Byer]

Marty Schottenheimer, another one, did four. But when you really look at it, like for someone to have four bites at the apple, it's pretty shocking, let alone three. There's not tons and tons of coaches that have coached at three different spots.

[Rich Davis]

Even great coaches and leadership. You're right. There comes a point where I'm not saying it's like you gave it a shot, you're done, but you know, like.

[Kavino]

Yeah, more than two. More than two, sure.

[Dan Byer]

And if you're. And likely because you've won, so you're staying at a place. And if you didn't win, then you're not appealing to another team for a third go at it or, you know, it's. It's a, it's a, it's a unique spot. But McCarthy's in it. Did have three 12 win seasons with the Cowboys in the five years. This year, obviously they didn't make the postseason, but he kind of fits the as well with the super bowl with Green Bay wasn't like, they were awful with the Cowboys, so, yeah, he could get his chance at a third team.

[Kavino]

Yeah, the Cowboys have always been good enough under his. Under his reign. So that's where the problem is. It's sort of that Tomlin purgatory that a lot of people talk about. With Pittsburgh.

[Rich Davis]

There is something to be said about.

[Kavino]

They'Ve won, but they haven't won when it and where it matters.

[Rich Davis]

We've talked about that many a times over the years that when you're like, good in the NFL, like, sometimes being good, good, it's like the worst place.

[Kavino]

To be because you're not forced to make real moves because people are still coming in to watch. You're still making money. And at the beginning, middle, and end of the day, that's what it's all about. Are you filling the seats? And they have been.

[Spot]

We talked about Bill Belichick on the show last week in regards to Tom Brady and Richard Seymour and the new leadership of the Raiders. I'm not alone in this. I always just assumed that the Cowboys job would be the perfect landing spot for Belichick. I know he's close to the Jones family, and it just seemed like he would fit in there. And I read this morning that through back channels, the Cowboys never gave him a clue that their job would be open.

[Kavino]

I'm going to take a hot take. Deion Sanders, bro.

[Rich Davis]

Well, you know, I know. Who doesn't want Dion? Apparently your Raiders, like, no, thanks.

[Kavino]

You have a Deion prime time for America's team.

[Rich Davis]

I mean, he did win a Super bowl or two with the.

[Kavino]

In that uniform, man. You never know. You don't know what they're cooking, dude. And a guy like him would embrace. That's the thing. You need a coach desk going to embrace the expectations and the pressure. A guy like Primetime leans into that. He'll lean into that and own that. You know, Will he succeed? I don't know. But he's the guy built for that type of position.

[Rich Davis]

So many angles here. But my favorite takeaway might be. Well, we sort of talked out with Dan Byer a second ago. You see coaches get so many coaches get the second shot, then very few get three. And then when you start thinking about four, because you got to think of the progression to get two, you had to be successful in the first spot.

[Kavino]

Yeah. And we're talking head coaching position to.

[Rich Davis]

Get a third spot. That means you probably were a champion somewhere. It didn't work out at the second place. And someone's like, all Right. Third time, you know, it'll work out.

[Dan Byer]

Here I have a list of the most coaching wins, and you don't want to know who has the most coaching wins. That was in three spots only. And this will go to your. Maybe your point?

[Rich Davis]

Yeah.

[Dan Byer]

Dan Reeves, great example, went to Denver. Denver, then went to the Giants, and then at the end of his career, the Falcons led him to the super.

[Rich Davis]

Bowl, where they lost against.

[Dan Byer]

Yes.

[Rich Davis]

The Broncos. Man. Yeah. I almost feel like Pete Carroll, great example, but I feel like the four. That's the thing a lot of these guys will get. If you have success, it makes sense, right? Like, look at it like divorces. We've talked about this, man.

[Kavino]

I thought I'd go at least a day. It's only Monday and Rich had to bring up my divorce already.

[Rich Davis]

No, I didn't bring up your divorce. You know, sorry. I know you're Kavino, goddamn buyer. I'm not bringing up your divorce. But a lot of times if you have a friend that's divorced and then they find love again, you're like, yeah, half the people in the world get divorced. Second job. Right.

[Kavino]

Second job.

[Rich Davis]

Now. Now, if you. The second time, God forbid you lose a spouse, there's an issue or something. Like, you could maybe get it wrong two times. Third job, third spouse. No. No one's really going to buy it if you're on number four.

[Kavino]

No.

[Rich Davis]

So three.

[Kavino]

No. If it's buy the third one, you might be the problem.

[Rich Davis]

But what I'm saying is, by the third one, you better take one.

[Kavino]

You're definitely out.

[Rich Davis]

Much like a marriage. By the third head coaching job, you better get it right.

[Kavino]

By the fourth time, people are talking about you behind your back.

[Dan Byer]

I do know someone who is on number four. And the fourth one is the best one that they've had.

[Rich Davis]

Really.

[Kavino]

They finally got it. But like they say, fourth time's the charm.

[Dan Byer]

That's what they say, but there's reasons. Like, the second one was just a complete washout. Just like Marty Schottenheimer only had one season with Washington. Like, that one really doesn't count.

[Rich Davis]

One of our best female friends got married when she was 18 to a guy for like a year. Like, does that count? I don't know. It does, but you know what I'm saying.

[Dan Byer]

Yes.

[Rich Davis]

So I think much like marriages, great people, great coaches are going to get three shots by the fourth one, it's like, I don't know. You think they deserve a fourth shot? Maybe they should just give up on this.

[Kavino]

And when they do, it's It's a true testament to their resume and their ability to coach, because not everybody gets that opportunity.

[Rich Davis]

So I think a guy like Mike McCarthy should pick and choose wisely what the third step is. Because you want a Super bowl in Green Bay. You lived off of that enough to get a great job in Dallas. You had success and people still look at you as, you know, super bowl champion coach. You get the third job. Let's say he goes to the Bears for two, three years and it stinks. Then Mike McCarthy, you might be like, dude lost the lost.

[Spot]

How about getting remarried to the same team DB Does Art Shell lead that list?

[Rich Davis]

It's like Billy Martin and Lou Pal. Does that count when like, Steinbrenner flipped the coin and he's like, this year.

[Kavino]

I want Steinbrenner brings up an interesting point. Three is elite territory. Like, it's rare and exceptional. And. And we say that in entertainment there's only a handful of people that have three different franchises, like Sylvester Stallone, meaning Rocky, Rambo and Expendables. Right. Like, three is. Is real. To get three, you have to be. You have to be a proven box office draw.

[Dan Byer]

Three different roles. Like we. We rave how Ed O'Neill, so great. Modern Family, and obviously is Al Bundy. Like, now is like the next territory for him is to do Three's tough. Yes. Like, just to do one more.

[Kavino]

To strike twice is incre.

[Rich Davis]

What a great observation.

[Kavino]

Three times you got to be Stallone level.

[Rich Davis]

That's a great. That's the observation of the day. Forget A.J. brown reading books and, you know, Josh Allen. Hugging referees three times is for the elite.

[Kavino]

Yeah. Name. There's only a few. Name one. Other than Stallone or the coaches. We've already mentioned Mike McCarthy could be in that category. But name, act.

[Spot]

We talked about Harrison Ford.

[Rich Davis]

Harrison Ford, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Star wars.

[Spot]

And also the other. What was it? Guarding the President.

[Kavino]

Wasn't that franchises? That's tough.

[Rich Davis]

That's tough. You know, you talk about people that have had success multiple times. I'll shout her out because today's her birthday. But Mary. Richard Dreyfus. What's her name? Mary.

[Kavino]

Mary. Richard Julia Dreyfus.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, Julia Louis.

[Kavino]

Julia Louis Dreyfus.

[Rich Davis]

The Mary. You know, Richard Dreyfus. Close enough. Elaine from Seinfeld. I didn't watch the show, but New Adventures of Volcristine was successful.

[Kavino]

It was a good show.

[Rich Davis]

And Veep was an award winning show. And Seinfeld, that's rare company. It's her birthday today. And you know what? Very rare company to say you're part of three big things. So, Again, if Mike McCarthy gets another.

[Kavino]

Shot, that just proves that lightning could strike twice. Striking three times, man, that's. That's crazy luck. Or crazy fortunate based on your resume, like Dan said before.

[Spot]

So, by the way, really quick. Patriot Games and Clear and present danger. That was the Jack Ryan franchise. They have them listed as Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Blade Runner, and Jack Ryan.

[Kavino]

How about Keanu, Bill and Ted Matrix, and John Wick?

[Rich Davis]

You know what? It's Keanu. Who would not want to be in that category?

[Kavino]

You gotta be on a certain Johnny Mnemonic. Yeah, you got to be on a certain level of awesome. Is Mike McCarthy there? Does he. Wait, does he hit the booth? Does he end up somewhere right away? Does he reconnect with Aaron Rodgers? I was trying to figure that out. Oh, you and I were.

[Rich Davis]

Is there a place where that could happen? That's. That's a wild thought. McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers. But you know what? I. I mentally stole this. You know why, though?

[Kavino]

I thought that. I'm sorry, Rich. Because he spoke super highly. I was really impressed that Mike McCarthy gave his time for that Netflix documentary. I really was. He gave his time for that, spoke really high of Aaron Rodgers, and, you know, I knew they had a good relationship, but it really said a lot to me. He was wearing his cowboy uniform, talking about Aaron Rodgers on some BS Netflix thing. You know, I was like, yeah, he must have a lot of respect for.

[Rich Davis]

That dude, to put a little bow on this conversation and that Aaron Rodgers thought you and I were talking about it during the break. And again, I stole this from just this thought, from just some dumb images on Twitter or something where someone had Aaron Rodgers in a Steelers uniform. Oh, and it's not crazy when you think about the narrative that the Steelers are in purgatory, which sounds crazy because you think to yourself, wait, you've won 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 games. Mike Tomlin doesn't have a losing record ever. But again, sometimes there's nothing worse than being good enough to sneak in the playoffs but never make noise.

[Kavino]

Doesn't he have one season where it was maybe 500 or something?

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, five. No, but never under 500.

[Kavino]

Never under 500. Right.

[Rich Davis]

So they haven't won a playoff game since January 2017. So Tomlin, who, again, is in, you know, arguably football purgatory with that team. I'll tell you a way to blow it up one way or the other. Justin Fields and Russell Wilson both, you know, are not signed beyond. What if, for one year, you Say, let's bring in Aaron Rodgers. And either it becomes a wild season of y'all look at Aaron Rodgers after a year removed from the injury, bringing Aaron Rodgers for one year. And then if it goes terrible, then you know what you got after that? A big draft pick. You move down the board, you go 4 and 13. It's like, man, Aaron Rodgers really is done. And then at least you have the clarity to know it's time to move on.

[Kavino]

And you blew it up. It's restarting, right?

[Rich Davis]

But Aaron Rodgers, it's like, you know, dare I compare it to, you know, some of the players you yank? I love some of your Yankee moves because Goldschmidt, Bellinger, like these, if they stink, what did you really lose? And if they're great, wow, what a great high risk, low risk, high reward situation. Many times the Dodgers did that with Kershaw. I'm like, what a great deal. Low risk, high reward.

[Kavino]

Not the craziest thought because Aaron Rodgers doesn't seem like he's or doesn't seem sold on returning to the Jets.

[Rich Davis]

And Tomlin likes Rogers.

[Kavino]

Tomlin likes Rogers.

[Rich Davis]

So what if he went to Pittsburgh one year and then if things don't go well, it'll be terrible, but at least the Pittsburgh Steelers will have the clear, obvious vibe to, all right, we're going to draft a quarterback, move on officially. But if he's great, then you have a really fun playoff run with Aaron Rodgers. To me, I just think it sounds ridiculous, but there's something there that's fun.

[Kavino]

So. Mike McCarthy out. Now we get into it. We do it every Monday. Things that make you go, hmm. But first, an update from the great Dan byer.

[Rich Davis]

What's up, DB?

[Dan Byer]

As you guys have been talking about, Mike McCarthy, now returning as head coach of the Dallas Cowboys, is expected to speak with the Bears and Saints about their head coaching vacancies. Mike Vrabel officially introduced today as the head coach of the New England Patriots.

[Kavino]

When I started my coaching career, like, I think it was important for me to go somewhere else to start another coaching journey. The opportunity at one point was probably presented itself to be here coaching, but I felt like it was important to forge my own path somewhere else.

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Right?

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[Kavino]

Who's winning tonight, Minnesota or Los Angeles?

[Rich Davis]

Minnesota Vikings all day. No offense.

[Kavino]

What if Los Angeles is like, nah, we're doing it for Palisades, man. We're doing it for all the victims. They got something to play for.

[Rich Davis]

As I said to you the other day, Rich doesn't believe in that. I don't believe in that sentiment. You know what? Because I got proof.

[Kavino]

You want to know why I got proof?

[Rich Davis]

The only time I ever rooted for the Yankees in my life was 01 and they lost after 9 11.

[Kavino]

I proved Brett Favre when his dad died. He was playing for something, man.

[Rich Davis]

Hall of Famer. He won most of his game. What about the Saints after Hurricane Katrina?

[Kavino]

Yeah, people step up in big moments.

[Spot]

What happened to the Chargers then? Pregame, they were showing all their L A fire gear.

[Kavino]

That's a whole debate in itself. Rich does not believe in, like the. I call it the do it for Johnny. The do it for Johnny.

[Rich Davis]

I don't believe in doing for Johnny.

[Kavino]

I do. I believe sometimes you need that extra something to fight for, man, and to play for. But I do think that Minnesota's got.

[Rich Davis]

This tonight, about a year ago, because I keep. I keep notes in a journal of all the arguments Kavino and I have gotten in. We go back to the archives. We had a debate once about sort of like, do it for Johnny. But the. The sentiment was. One of my pet peeves in sports is when someone goes, oh, they want it more. And I'm like, no one wants it more. They all want it tonight. Don't tell me Sam Darnold or Matthew Stafford, one of them want it more than the other. They all want it. No one. No one's a professional athlete and they don't want it.

[Kavino]

That's not true.

[Rich Davis]

What about desperation, though? It's kind of one of the same, right? Who's more desperate?

[Kavino]

If everybody on the Buccaneers wanted it the same way that Baker Mayfield wants it, I think they would have won yesterday. That dude wants it. You don't see the difference.

[Rich Davis]

Can I tell you, Tom Brady, who people love or hate in the booth, he was stroking, he was like, Clarence Carter. Is that the right artist?

[Kavino]

Yeah, it's Carter.

[Rich Davis]

Is that.

[Kavino]

He's stroking.

[Rich Davis]

Stroking to the left. Yeah, he was stroking Josh Jacobs. And how many times yesterday did Tom Brady say if everyone played with the intensity of Josh Jacobs, like there was a moment where you're like, yo, packers, play up to the intensity of Jacobs. Like, you must be sad you lost him. Danny, let's be honest on the Raiders, yeah, Josh Jacobs played yesterday. If you. If everyone played with that intensity. And right when Tom Brady's done talking about that, that's when Jacobs rumble to that where he almost hit the end zone where he dragged four Eagles with him.

[Kavino]

It's amazing. By the way, this all leads us to something we do every Monday. We reflect and we go over things that made you go.

[Rich Davis]

Baby. Things that make you go, things that make goal.

[Kavino]

Any observations from this weekend could be in entertainment, could be in the NBA, but primarily the NFL or college football. There's lots of great football this weekend. Any of your observations, feel free to hit us up at 87799 on Fox or at Covino and Rich at Fox Sports Radio. This is where you get involved. You make the call.

[Rich Davis]

You would think I'm going to start with like AJ Brown, his book or something. You said it could be about anything.

[Kavino]

Anything.

[Rich Davis]

Then I'm going to say that Robbie Williams movie where they portrayed him as a CGI chimp.

[Kavino]

Yeah.

[Rich Davis]

They're saying it might be one of the biggest box office busts of all time. It made $1 million.

[Kavino]

You know why? It's because he never translated here in America. Most Americans like, who's Robbie Williams when he's a big deal overseas. No, Robbie Williams, the pop star in England. The theory goes like this. They like their superstars to be like them. A guy that you'd see at the pub that you root for in America. You know, we wanted our celebrities to own a chimpanzee, you know, so we wanted to have celebrities on a pedestal. So guys like Robbie Williams never translated to us, but a true king over there, you know, like, they love him over there. So there's a documentary about him. You've seen the monkey on the COVID of Rolling Stone. That's the movie Better man, and no one's really buying into it.

[Rich Davis]

A cooler version of that is Pharrell, like you said, where he did a documentary about himself, but he used Legos to portray everyone.

[Kavino]

Yeah, that's a great one. If you like music or documentaries, definitely worth the watch. It's called Piece by Piece. It's fun for the whole family because it's Lego based. But, yeah, everybody knows Pharrell. Not everybody into Robbie Williams. Not a. Not a surprise.

[Rich Davis]

Now, clearly the number one thing, because it's so right up our alley. Things that made you go, hmm, the Philadelphia Eagles look like a team that's gonna, you know, maybe cruise right to the NFC championship game. They look good.

[Kavino]

Okay. They look right from the start. But can I say, because this ties into what you're about to say.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah.

[Kavino]

That fumble, special teams, in the beginning of the game, if our eyes could see that, it looked like Green Bay recovered it, and then there's a big, giant, mysterious pylon. Like, I hate that rule. That's the lamest rule when.

[Rich Davis]

Like, when the guy had it. Agreed.

[Spot]

Yeah. It was the aerial shot that let us see.

[Rich Davis]

Is it like. Is it like baseball? Remember we found out there in the baseball playoffs that we on TV were getting angles the replay room wasn't getting? Because if you watch that overhead view that Tom Brady and our buddy KB Kevin Burkhart were talking about, there's a clear moment where the Green Bay Packer gets possession. He's holding the ball for a few seconds. He's down.

[Kavino]

We all saw it. Why?

[Rich Davis]

Why is that not official?

[Kavino]

We also. We all understand that, hey, someone's biting his arm in the pile up, and somehow he got away with it. But how is that. Okay, I know it's been that way, and it's always been. I don't. In a game like that, it just doesn't seem fair. It doesn't seem right.

[Rich Davis]

Also, it was a helmet to helmet collision. It should have been a penalty.

[Kavino]

The whole thing was like, oh come on man. It did. It absolutely set a weird tone for.

[Spot]

The rest of the Brady said it was a clean hit.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah. Old school. All right.

[Kavino]

So Tom is very old school when it comes to stuff like that.

[Rich Davis]

We watch that game and you know, eagles look good. A.J. brown caught on the sideline reading an inspirational book mid game. Now there's so many layers to this where some people are like, yeah, listen, who is, who are you to tell a grown athlete who's one of the best, what gets his mind right or what, what levels him during a game? It's AJ Brown. This isn't some putts. This is one of the best receivers in the National Football League.

[Kavino]

Did you ask this honor off the air before we get to the phone calls? Rich never stops talking, so it gets a little confusing if it was on or off the air.

[Rich Davis]

Facts.

[Kavino]

You said you wanted to go around the room and ask how much Russell Wilson will get next year.

[Rich Davis]

Oh yeah, yeah, I said that off the air. But yeah, real quickly before we get to all your observations because in Dan Byers update he said Russ said he would like to stay with the Steelers. Based on what you see Purdy wanting and you saw what they paid, you know, Baker and Dak and Trevor Lawrence and all these guys. Where do you, where do you put a 36 year old Russell Wilson?

[Kavino]

Now that's the thing. He so visibly isn't the guy he used to be. He's still good. Right. And having a good season with the Steelers definitely keeps his value up there. But he's not superstar money at all. Is he willing to accept that and take that? That's the story. That's the question here. I think he gets like 32 million a year.

[Rich Davis]

Now to give a little perspective, Baker has a three year hundred milli deal. So Baker's three years, 100 million. Geno Smith three years 75. I ask you, where does, where does the front office land with Russell Wilson.

[Kavino]

And is he willing to be like a mentor for somebody else if that's the case, maybe you try to get him for two years. Otherwise I think he's a year to year guy. What do you think, Danny?

[Spot]

Yeah, to give you some more context here, he's making 30. He made 39 million this past season. Steelers only had to pay 1.21 million of that because the Broncos picked up the rest.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, easy for him to be happy in, you know, Pittsburgh when someone else is picking up the tap. Right.

[Spot]

Exactly.

[Rich Davis]

Like you eat nicely when the boss is paying.

[Kavino]

Yeah. And he's good, but he's not elite anymore. Yeah, he's not Jaden Daniels. You know, he's not that caliber of a player anymore. It's just not that type of guy.

[Rich Davis]

So, yeah, if he were a stock, he's not on, he's not with an arrow up.

[Kavino]

Right. He's, I would say low 30s, DB.

[Dan Byer]

I say it's probably like a one year deal worth like $7 million.

[Kavino]

Seriously, like way that low, huh?

[Rich Davis]

You know, and what is he going to do? Not take it? You're right, db I was so glad you said that because I was thinking what Covino was saying and I'm like, yeah, but like if, if the Steelers said no, then who else is going to say, oh, Russ, here's 30 or 40 mil?

[Dan Byer]

So Darnold had a one year, $10 million deal with the Vikings, but I think that there were, there were two. Darnold needed it to revitalize his career. And the Vikings are like, hey, maybe if we do can get this guy on the cheap, let's, let's go for it. And now it's ended up working out. I don't think it's a two way street in Russell Wilson's situation. I just think it's somebody who may need a quarterback and they don't want to spend a lot on it. And so if he's available, they'll do it. But I mean, even Baker, before he got his three year deal, you know, played under, I believe that one year deal with the Buccaneers and then ended up getting his contract.

[Spot]

He's just going to be a bridge guy. Yeah.

[Rich Davis]

I mean, I don't know why this just popped in my head maybe a little more than you said. Maybe, Russ. One year, 12 mil. Like, because there is like a sentiment of, I know it's business, but there is some layer of insulting when a guy used to be the number one guy.

[Kavino]

Right.

[Rich Davis]

It's like a baseball player when you, when you see a guy that was signing those big contracts in the 2000s and now you're like, oh, what are they getting him? 1 year, 4 mil? That's always part of it.

[Kavino]

You know, we started off the show talking about where Mike McCarthy goes, hey, he comes at a high price tag just because of who he is in his resume.

[Spot]

Would you guys feel the same way about Russell Wilson if he had not slumped in those last five games?

[Kavino]

Yes. Yeah. I mean, I feel like him and the team was exposed. Yeah. Last five Games were tough, but interesting.

[Rich Davis]

Just something to think about because it is funny how we're all over the place like that could.

[Kavino]

Well, the thing is you have to imagine that he would be worth 30ish if he's already making 39 because. And he's not making, you know, over 40. Even though guys like Daniel Jones are.

[Spot]

Right.

[Rich Davis]

But not anymore.

[Kavino]

Yeah, but who's going to be willing to pay him that much? That's the thing. So yeah, he might have to settle for like Dan said, seven. Man, that's tough.

[Spot]

So makes you. Also makes you think that Denver was out of their mind. They gave him $243 million.

[Kavino]

Crazy dude.

[Rich Davis]

You know what, Danny, we got a lot of phones but real quick, before we go to the phones, any thoughts on the A.J. brown book thing? We said we danced around it because there were so many, there were so many layers to it. And here's what AJ Brown actually said about reading the book on the sideline Excellence. The book. Why do you read it during the.

[Spot]

Games and what does it bring to you?

[Kavino]

Man, it gave me a sense of peaceness.

[Spot]

Peace.

[Kavino]

That's a book that I bring every single game. My teammates call it a recipe. That's the first time I heard that y'all got me on camera. But it's not the first game. You know, I got it got a.

[Rich Davis]

Lot of points in there.

[Kavino]

It's a lot of mental game, a lot of mental parts about it. And you know, for me, you know.

[Rich Davis]

This game is mental.

[Kavino]

So it's called Inner Excellence. Sam said it's by Joe Murphy. So if I'm wrong, blame Sam. But it is called Inner Excellence. Featured on LeVar Burton's Reading Rainbow?

[Rich Davis]

I believe so.

[Kavino]

Yeah, but that part we're making up. But it's highlighted pages of things that improve his mental skills. Right. So it's like a self help book of sorts. And I think that's what matters because I mean TikTok could get your. Jim Murphy. Jim Murphy.

[Rich Davis]

My mistake, my mistake.

[Kavino]

I mean TikTok for the next six days could be something that clears your mind in some sort of way. I wouldn't say that's productive for his game. Some people, they're looking at plays, right, because they need to refocus. If this is what helps him refocus and it's a mental health book, I find no issue or problem with that. And I'm sure the team is aware that this is something that settles him and gets him on the right track and clears his mind. If it matters what it is, if.

[Spot]

You were one of the coaches, though. Wouldn't you want him to be looking at one of the tablets?

[Kavino]

But if this is what clears his mind, I want everyone to feel 100% confident and at their best in that moment. It's not like he was reading Petunia Puddle Duck, right? It's not a stupid kids book. He was reading something that helps his brain.

[Rich Davis]

Wait, what is he reading? There's a monster at the end of this book. Yeah, with Grover.

[Kavino]

He's not reading the puppy who Lost his way with Ms. Lippy. He's not playing on social media. He's not doing Words with Friends. He's not doing a crossword puzzle. He's. Again, this is a highlighted book to enhance his mental skills, so maybe that clears his mind so that he could focus on the field. I don't know his train track of thought, but I'm saying the content matters. In this case, my.

[Rich Davis]

My first thought was, honestly, with Kavina, my. My first instinct when I saw him, I'm like, that's A.J. brown. I'm talking about a guy who's a top 10 elite wide receiver in the NFL. He doesn't need Joe Schmoes being like, what are you reading? Why are you reading? He's A.J. brown. But if you dig a little deeper and you really think about how the last couple years got caught. 100 plus catches, 1500 ish yards this year, 67 catches, thousand yards, you know, missed a couple games, hasn't been targeted.

[Spot]

The way he'd like.

[Kavino]

He was a little outspoken about.

[Spot]

Vocal about earlier in the season. There was a rub about that. Yep.

[Rich Davis]

It almost seemed like I'm not very much part of the game plan. One catch, 10 yards, right? When you. When you. At that point, when you catch one ball for 10 yards, at that point of the game and you're reading a book on the sideline, I just think optically, it paints a different picture. You know what it's like when you're. When your wife says that she's not mad at you, but you know she's mad at you, or clearly you've upset someone, but they're. They're like, no, no, I'm cool. I'm cool. You're like, they're not cool. Like, he. He is he just playing us for the fool. Like, the dude's reading a book on the sideline. It's an NFL playoff game, man. I get it. He's getting focused. But like Kavino said, what if. What if what focused him was scrolling through asses on tick tock Is he gonna be like, yeah, baby?

[Kavino]

That's what I'm saying. Content matters. Content matters.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, but that's what I'm saying, like.

[Kavino]

Because it's a mental health book. And I think, you know, he's trying to. Either he's trying to bring his best, or like Rich said, he's trolling us, and he's just really saying, I'm bored out here, and I couldn't care less.

[Rich Davis]

I've heard NFL players say in regards to this retired guys that, you know, there are guys that have unorthodox way. Unorthodox ways of prepping for a game or getting in the right mindset.

[Kavino]

Meditating, saying prayers, listening to music.

[Rich Davis]

You see guys like Nick Bosa, like, slamming their helmet. Like, remember, like, Jim Harbaugh will go up to his quarterback and slam their shoulder pads. Like, there's different ways to get guys in a zone.

[Kavino]

Yeah. Think about this. Hold on. I'm sorry to interrupt. Rich, I think this goes with what you're saying, though. We've seen for years people with their Beats headphones on before. Again, this is before the game. I get it. But that's what gets them into that mental space. I'm thinking what he's saying is true, and that's what is helping him get into that mental space.

[Rich Davis]

A guy that's elite, like A.J. brown, you could argue. Well, to get to that level physically, mentally, this guy needs to be elite. And if reading these passages and stuff gets him focused, that's one thing. But I think it's like, Rich, every.

[Kavino]

Day before the show, he always reads this passage he has on his phone. It says, I'm good enough. I'm strong enough. Doggone it, people like me.

[Caller]

I have a question. Was the book stashed at the bench, or did he carry it out of the tunnel with him?

[Rich Davis]

That's a great question. I think it was, you know, spot may have been.

[Caller]

Cause they don't have, like, a bag or anything.

[Dan Byer]

Correct. This happened during my show yesterday. This was going on. And it's the question as well, of, like, are you running out of the tunnel with a backpack? You know, like, are you.

[Caller]

Is it tucked in, like, his pants?

[Dan Byer]

But it was. He was sitting on the sidelines. And I would love. I would love Kavina to watch this video.

[Kavino]

Yeah, I know it looks bad.

[Dan Byer]

It looks so bad. You want to know why as well? There's a couple of reasons. He doesn't go to a bookmarked page. He just opens it. So you're just going to randomly open a Page to get your motivation.

[Caller]

Maybe he had a little like earmarked, you know, like you fold down one.

[Dan Byer]

Of the corners of the books, there appears to be a bookmark. And he just opens the middle of the book and is just sitting there.

[Spot]

To your point, DB in that clip we heard, he doesn't say anything specific about what he like, oh, there's mental parts to it. Yeah, it's a self employment book. Of course there's mental parts to it.

[Dan Byer]

Guys, this pissed me off so much. Sorry I said that word.

[Rich Davis]

But there have been times during your show I see Kerry Rhodes grabs a book, right? He just.

[Dan Byer]

Kerry probably falls asleep when I'm talking, rambling on like I am now.

[Kavino]

No, no, here's what I'm trying to say though, Dan. And this is for real. I see what you see and we're looking at it as we speak. It is very arbitrary, you see? And everybody could see that, right? It look bad. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt of this is what gets him inspired in some sort of way.

[Rich Davis]

And his playful response also, you know, guys, come on. I'm just reading a book.

[Dan Byer]

Here's my other point of this. Here's my other point of this. How do you guys read books now?

[Caller]

They don't.

[Kavino]

Audiobooks with my eyes shut.

[Dan Byer]

Tablets.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah.

[Dan Byer]

If he had this book on a tablet, we would think he's looking at plays. Which we would be like, okay. He's studying the visual of a book. Is like, I've checked out.

[Kavino]

Yeah, you could get checked out.

[Caller]

It's like vacation next to a pool.

[Spot]

Exactly.

[Kavino]

Is he making a statement or is he for real? That's really the question.

[Rich Davis]

It's a statement that I'm so bored, I'm not involved in the game plan. I'm going to read a book. Let me tell you 100%. I try not to be spiteful. I try not to be spiteful. But there are times where you're so good at. I've kindly asked my wife and kids like, listen, can you, can you straighten up some of the kids toys? Honey, when I come, like when I come home from work, the number one thing that annoys me is when my kids stuff is everywhere.

[Caller]

Also make me a sandwich.

[Rich Davis]

Stop it. But sometimes I will like, and I'm ashamed to admit this, sometimes I like trip over a toy. Be like goddamn toy on purpose just to sort of in a way show like, there's damn toys everywhere. Dad almost tripped. A.J. brown is doing the dad almost trip because your toys are everywhere. I'm so bored I. One catch. I'm a guy that catches 1500 yards a year. Not a one touch for 10 yard guy. I'm so bored. Someone give me. I'm going to read the comics. Or, or, or, or he's crocheting.

[Kavino]

Hold on. This is a mental health book, right? Mental skills. A book to help. I'm just playing. And again, I'm not naive. I'm playing devil's advocate. Maybe the fact that he's not getting the ball the way he wanted to puts him in a mental space where he wants to punch someone in the face. And he knows that reading these words calms him down. Right? Look at this.

[Dan Byer]

Yeah.

[Caller]

He also like.

[Kavino]

Yeah, again, I'm playing devil's advocate.

[Rich Davis]

Yes.

[Caller]

If you watch the video, like Dan said, he also like, purses his lips in a way. Like he's like. He's like.

[Kavino]

Yeah, whatever he does, I. I know. I see it. All right, I'm pulling out the book.

[Dan Byer]

If you're his wide receiver's co. Or you're his offensive coordinator, if you're Nick Sirianni as head coach, you would say, you know what, AJ Needs this on the sidelines. Let's download a book, let's put it on a tablet, and if he needs to go, he can go to it. And we wouldn't have known. We honestly would have thought he'd be looking at plays if he was reading that tablet. But no, this is an actual physical book that he brought out.

[Caller]

Some people don't like tablet reading. The only reason my wife hates it, she prefers a physical book.

[Rich Davis]

The only reason why this wasn't a bigger deal was because the Eagles won in a clear victory.

[Spot]

Yes.

[Rich Davis]

If the Eagles are down in the third quarter and ha. Brown's reading a book.

[Kavino]

All right, I have another question. I have another question. Remember I said content matters?

[Rich Davis]

Yeah.

[Kavino]

The name of this book is Inner Excellence. Okay. And again, I'm playing devil's advocate based on what he said and what the story is. It's a highlight. He said a highlighted page to improve mental skills. If it was to make a statement, then why not make an actual statement with some, you know, snarky title? An actual book that may say something backhanded about being, you know, wasting your time or being bored.

[Rich Davis]

The subtle art of not giving an F. Yeah, exactly.

[Kavino]

If you're gonna make a statement and why not put out. Pull out some. Some stupid kids book or something like that? You know, that way it would really make the point. This. This says to me that he. He has a book that was Helping his mental health.

[Dan Byer]

Rich may remember this.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah.

[Dan Byer]

NFC championship game two years ago, 49ers Eagles. First play from scrimmage for the Philadelphia Eagles was a pass to A.J. brown. And that was because A.J. brown was sulking in their win the week prior against the New York Giants, where he had three catches in that playoff victory over the Giants. So in the NFC championship game, they had to make sure that A.J. brown was involved right away so he wouldn't sulk and it wouldn't be the issue that he had developed all week long. This is not new with AJ Brown. This is not a one off situation. So I appreciate Covino being devil's advocate, But Rich is 100% correct on this.

[Rich Davis]

I think there's like a.

[Kavino]

Like you said, I do hate that type of attitude, though.

[Rich Davis]

It's almost. It's so awesomely strategic because he has the answer for everything. Like, it's a self help book. What? Because then it's mental health and I'm in the right spot.

[Kavino]

But yeah, you never want to question anybody on mental health either. No, you can't. If I said right now, if I took my headphones off and I'm like, you know what? I had enough of Rich's face and the bosses had. And walked out. And the bosses had an issue. I'm like, why I need a mental health day.

[Spot]

Yeah. Covid almost feels.

[Kavino]

What are they gonna say?

[Spot]

Almost feels like a double diss in a way. Like I'm gonna, you know, what I'm mad about. But you can't really question it because then you're questioning what you're not allowed to anymore in our country.

[Kavino]

Exactly. All right, see, hey, look, I'm just trying to explore it, that's all. Your thoughts at 87799 on Fox. It's weird. No one can deny that. It's a weird look.

[Caller]

In the 1999 film Varsity Blues, if you recall, James Vanderbeek's character used to sit on the bench and read a book because he was getting passed over by Paul Walker, who was playing out there, and he was just the backup quarterback waiting to play.

[Rich Davis]

So spot. What you're saying is a book on the sidelines is a visual of apathy and frustration.

[Caller]

Yes. Just saying.

[Dan Byer]

Imagine if he was reading a book right now during your show. How offended would you be?

[Rich Davis]

Let's just say there's some guy that runs. Works on our show once a while and he's on his iPad the whole time.

[Caller]

And you were planning another show while.

[Kavino]

You were doing this show, right? It's We've seen it and it does rub us the wrong way for sure. So look optically, I get it. But exploring the story here about A.J. brown, things that made us go, hmm, this past weekend, some great games, a nice win from the Eagles either way. So let's go to the phones real quick. 87799 on Fox. Who do we got?

[Spot]

All right, let's start with Richard in Wrightwood, California.

[Rich Davis]

Richard, what's up, bud?

[Andy]

What's up, guys?

[Rich Davis]

Yo, Rightwood. Hey, I might go up there this weekend. A little. Nice little tubing and skiing area, right?

[Andy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, listen, any coach, in my opinion, any coach that has been an ex coach of the Cowboys, when you're considering their victories, you should give them a mulligan because, you know, you got Jerry Jones, he's a meddling owner. He makes bad decisions. He give Prescott a B quarterback A plus money. The guy doesn't know what he's doing. And that's what McCarthy has to work with.

[Kavino]

That is serious. Missing a GM to work with when Jerry Jones thinks that he's the be all, end all decision maker when it comes to that.

[Rich Davis]

So you're saying McCarthy has done pretty well in spite of Jerry Jones.

[Spot]

All right, Danny G. Bob in Michigan.

[Rich Davis]

What's up, Bobby?

[Kavino]

Hey, Bob.

[Andy]

Hey, guys.

[Rich Davis]

Hey.

[Andy]

Hey, I heard you guys on the DP show quite a while back and became immediate fan. So thanks, man, for all you do.

[Kavino]

Hey, thanks for giving us a shot, man.

[Andy]

No problem. Hey, I wanted to go back to the last hour segment, something you guys were talking about. People that had like three acts and they were like a winner more than once. It's something they did. And the guy that came to my mind was Captain Kirk. William Shatner, he had Star Trek. He had Star Trek, obviously, TJ Hooker. TJ Hooker. And then the third one was my favorite character that he did was Denny Crane, which was from Law and Order.

[Kavino]

Yeah, he's. Yeah, he was on one of those shows and dude, still doing it on the unexplained and everything else. Like, what a legend that guy is. Absolutely.

[Rich Davis]

That was an interesting conversation. If you missed it, Danny G. Will put on the podcast. You know, not only coaches, we just sort of said, but when you think about it, to get three, you know.

[Kavino]

To strike, lightning strikes twice. That's the expression.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah.

[Kavino]

When it strikes three times, that's. That's a rare company.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah. So if you're Mike McCarthy and you do get a third head coaching job, that means you're really good.

[Spot]

And before we move on to last one standing, Andy in Rhode island is going to wrap it up.

[Rich Davis]

What's up, Andy?

[Andy]

Hey, Bisono.

[Rich Davis]

Hey, what's up, buddy?

[Kavino]

What's up, bro?

[Andy]

Hey, guys. So things that make me, that made me think watching the Buccaneers versus the Commanders. Hey, shout out to the commanders Also, you know, 20 year streak of not winning in the playoffs. So shout out to them. Lining up to the foot for the final kick. The kicker. All eyes on him. The camera's on him. Dude must have adjusted his hair.

[Spot]

Gonzalez.

[Kavino]

Yeah, that was so funny, dude.

[Rich Davis]

That is like. No, can I. Can I say that's like Kavino getting ready for an event.

[Kavino]

That's like, show me you're nervous without telling me.

[Spot]

I knew you were gonna say that on the show. And then a story came out this morning that he does battle with ocd.

[Kavino]

Oh, really?

[Spot]

Yeah.

[Kavino]

Can I tell you why that. That divisional doink was. That was a nail biter, but cheeks were clenched.

[Rich Davis]

The OCD he speaks of, you know, which is a real thing there, there. When, when you need to do something obsessively like that, it's. It's so apparent. Like he needed his hair to feel the right way before he put his helmet on. So it's hilarious how this guy's like, fix his hair, fix his hair.

[Kavino]

Nervous energy.

[Rich Davis]

I'm like, nervous. OCD energy. And good for him. Made the kick. And it really, it was a funny moment because we all have friends or someone that's like that. Congrats to the Commanders, by the way.

[Kavino]

Yeah, that was awesome.

[Rich Davis]

And you know, you feel bad for Baker.

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[Rich Davis]

You know, I'm one of the idiots. I tried to forget it happened, but I bet a player prop parlay yesterday and I needed Josh Jacobs and Saquon to do well. They did. I got everything I needed minus the Saquon touchdown. So in that last second when he busted open, I was like, I was like, ah. When he like slid, I was the guy that was like, why?

[Kavino]

That was great football intelligence, but worked against you.

[Rich Davis]

Luckily it wasn't like a big parlay, but it was a couple hundred bucks. I could have won. It was a four for four parlay and I got three of the four. Thanks, Saquon.

[Kavino]

I mean, in regards to the game. I feel bad for you, Rich. I respect that. Discipline, man. That was. That's a hard move to make, but he did it with ease.

[Rich Davis]

Even Devonte Smith's like, what are you doing?

[Kavino]

So now we're going to play this game 87799 on Fox. We do it every Monday. We try to do it every Monday. Last one standing.

[Dan Byer]

You have five seconds to battle for your sports trivia life, man. Oh, I got. Yeah, I don't got it.

[Kavino]

Put your electronic devices down and pick your sports knowledge.

[Rich Davis]

CNR's last one standing. Last one standing.

[Spot]

All right, I have four categories ready to go if needed. A tiebreaker. Each contestant gets five seconds to stay alive in the round. If you run out of time or you answer incorrectly, Samuel will escort you out with his big bad buzzer. We keep battling until you are the last one standing. If you win two of the rounds, you are the top dog. Here are the contestants. Three time winner, Steve Covino. He's up seven time winner, winner, Richard Davis.

[Rich Davis]

What's up, buddy?

[Caller]

Rich has a big head.

[Spot]

The leader in the clubhouse right over there. 22 time winner, Dan Byer.

[Rich Davis]

Hello.

[Caller]

Hashtag cheater.

[Kavino]

I'm gonna unfollow Beyer talk right now.

[Dan Byer]

It's only got a week left anyway.

[Rich Davis]

I know.

[Kavino]

Just when you were slaying it.

[Spot]

We're going to the studio lines.

[Caller]

Put that book down, Dan.

[Spot]

Playing for a CNR stainless steel Swiggy Andy in Mississippi.

[Rich Davis]

What's up, Andy?

[Andy]

Hey, guys, I want to ask a quick question. Friday you guys had to bounce you and Danny G. Rich.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah.

[Dan Byer]

How is your house?

[Rich Davis]

Everything's all good, man. That was the Kenneth fire, which was the one they luckily put out the.

[Kavino]

Quickest, which is blamed on arson, last I heard. Yeah, yeah. Scary weekend for sure.

[Andy]

Go Hawks.

[Rich Davis]

Oh, all right.

[Dan Byer]

I like that.

[Rich Davis]

Thanks for asking, by the way.

[Spot]

Yeah. And by the way, spot is the fact checker during this game. Even more precious than contestants. When I say your name, the clock is going to begin. Here's the first category. Always going deep. You have five seconds to name an NFL QB who's top 15 all time for the most playoff games played. All right, Covino, you are up first. And here comes the clock.

[Kavino]

Joe Montana.

[Caller]

Number 5, 23, Rich.

[Rich Davis]

Peyton Manning.

[Caller]

Peyton Manning. 27.

[Spot]

Buyer.

[Caller]

Number 2.

[Dan Byer]

Number 10, Drew Brees.

[Caller]

Drew Brees. Number 12.

[Spot]

18, Andy.

[Rich Davis]

John Elway.

[Caller]

John Elway. Number 8, 22, Covina.

[Kavino]

Jim Kelly.

[Caller]

Jim Kelly. Bottom of the list. Number 15.

[Jason Demers]

Nice ball.

[Kavino]

Snuck right in there, Rich.

[Rich Davis]

I mean, no one said Tom yet, did they?

[Kavino]

They didn't.

[Rich Davis]

Well, get that out of the way. I'll steal. I mean, I had others, but I'm out of here. There's no point in holding. Yeah, I was gonn. I've learned my lesson of holding onto.

[Kavino]

Number one with 48.

[Dan Byer]

All right, Byer, I'm gonna go. Brett Favre.

[Caller]

Brett Favre. Number three with 24, Andy.

[Andy]

Patrick Mahomes.

[Caller]

Patrick Mahomes. Number 11 with 18, Covino.

[Kavino]

Troy Aikman.

[Caller]

Troy Aikman. Not on the list.

[Rich Davis]

Woo hoo.

[Spot]

You know what?

[Kavino]

I wanted to lay down anyway.

[Rich Davis]

Rich, go get your book. Aaron Rodgers.

[Caller]

Aaron Rodgers. Number 6, 22, byer.

[Dan Byer]

Ben Roethlisberger.

[Caller]

Number 4. 23.

[Spot]

That's a good one, Andy.

[Kavino]

Oh, gosh.

[Andy]

Dan Pastorini. I can't think of anything.

[Dan Byer]

I like the effort. Yeah, let's try.

[Kavino]

But no.

[Spot]

All right, it's between Rich and Byer. Rich.

[Rich Davis]

Felipe Rios. Philip Rivers.

[Caller]

No.

[Kavino]

Ah, sorry.

[Spot]

Byer wins that round.

[Rich Davis]

Totally miss.

[Caller]

Give me an obvious handsome. Dan Marino with 18. Russell Wilson with 17. Steve Young, 22. Terry Bradshaw had 19. And who'd I miss on the list.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah. How did I miss Steve Young? I'm an embarrassing 49ers fan hearing that. You know what I kept doing, guys? I kept avoiding older quarterbacks because there were. There was a less. Less rounds in the playoffs, and it backfired because all the ones I would have said were the ones.

[Kavino]

Go with your gutter, Dan there, buddy boy.

[Spot]

All right, got to move on to the second category here. Buyer on the board so far.

[Caller]

Of course, he is.

[Spot]

Category 2. Sell it as intimate. You have five seconds to name a team who plays in one of the smallest NBA arenas. All right, we'll take the bottom 13. Andy, we're going to start with you. Go, Grizzlies.

[Kavino]

Memphis.

[Spot]

Memphis. He said yeah.

[Caller]

Memphis grizzlies. Yes.

[Spot]

Yes.

[Caller]

18, 11 9.

[Spot]

Beyer.

[Dan Byer]

Pistons.

[Caller]

Pistons.

[Rich Davis]

So intimate, they fight their.

[Caller]

Not in the bottom 13.

[Rich Davis]

Go.

[Spot]

New or old?

[Dan Byer]

Like, I don't know.

[Spot]

I. Yeah, Rich, you're up next here.

[Rich Davis]

I mean, we were just there, and it's beautiful and intimate. The Intuit Dome.

[Caller]

Yeah, there you go with 18,000.

[Spot]

Yeah. Covino.

[Kavino]

Even the Magic.

[Caller]

Magic, not on the list.

[Spot]

Between Andy and Rich. Andy go with the Pistons. Were said quickly.

[Andy]

He said a name.

[Dan Byer]

Okay.

[Andy]

The kings.

[Spot]

Yes. Okay.

[Caller]

17608. That's a golden one.

[Rich Davis]

Center. I could. I could be, but I'm thinking Barclays Center. Intimate in Brooklyn.

[Caller]

Yeah, actually, yes. 19, 732.

[Spot]

Good boy. Oh, that's a good one, Andy.

[Andy]

Atlanta.

[Rich Davis]

Is that Atlanta Hawks.

[Spot]

Hawks.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah.

[Caller]

Yeah, that's what that. State Farm Arena. 16, 600.

[Spot]

Good poll.

[Kavino]

I hate this game, Rich. Charlotte Hornets.

[Caller]

Nope, not on the list.

[Spot]

I had that written down, too, Andy. Halfway to a swing.

[Rich Davis]

Were the Knicks on the list? Was the Garden on there? Please say that.

[Caller]

No, no, Knicks were not on the list. Let's see. You missed. Well, the highest of the lowest was the Spurs. You missed a lot.

[Kavino]

Thunder.

[Spot]

Warriors.

[Caller]

Rockets.

[Kavino]

Warriors.

[Caller]

Yeah, Bucks.

[Spot]

All right, we move on to the third category. Buyer and Andy on the board. So far, category three is pay per view. Kings. You have five seconds to name a boxing match that's one of the top 10 most watched ever. The oldest fight on this list is from 1995. The most recent from 2020. All right, Covino, you're going to go as soon as the clock goes. Now.

[Kavino]

Tyson Holyfield.

[Caller]

Tyson Holyfield.

[Spot]

Which one?

[Rich Davis]

Yes.

[Kavino]

Which one?

[Spot]

Okay.

[Caller]

Tyson Holyfield.

[Rich Davis]

Yes. One.

[Caller]

Number eight.

[Spot]

Okay, Rich.

[Rich Davis]

Tyson Holyfield. Two. Yes.

[Kavino]

Number five.

[Spot]

Byer.

[Dan Byer]

Mayweather. Pacquiao.

[Kavino]

Mayweather.

[Caller]

Pacquiao.

[Spot]

Number one. And.

[Andy]

Tyson Holmes.

[Caller]

Tyson Holmes.

[Spot]

Sorry. Andy Covino.

[Kavino]

De La Hoya. Mayweather.

[Caller]

Yes.

[Spot]

Nice.

[Caller]

That's number three.

[Rich Davis]

Rich Fury. Wilder.

[Spot]

Three Fury.

[Kavino]

Wild.

[Rich Davis]

No. All right, I'm out.

[Spot]

Fire.

[Dan Byer]

Is this official, like sanction or could we go? Mayweather. McGregor.

[Caller]

No. Yeah, that is on the list.

[Kavino]

We will accept that.

[Rich Davis]

Number two on the list.

[Kavino]

You just made the list.

[Spot]

Back to Covino. 3.

[Kavino]

Mayweather Hatton.

[Caller]

Mayweather Hatton.

[Kavino]

No. Not on the list.

[Spot]

Byer wins the round and the game.

[Kavino]

Congratulations. Dan Byer.

[Spot]

What a surprise. Dan Byer.

[Caller]

You missed Mayweather. Canelo was 4. Number 6.

[Spot]

Yes.

[Caller]

Tyson. Roy Jones Jr. Number 7. Tyson McNeely, number 9. And Mayweather and Cotto number 10.

[Kavino]

You know what?

[Rich Davis]

In honor of box, there's only one Dan Buyer.

[Kavino]

Only one Dan Buyer.

[Spot]

This guy's undefeated, man, in. Andy, in Mississippi, we salute you. Thank you for listening.

[Kavino]

Thank you, man.

[Rich Davis]

Appreciate you, buddy.

[Kavino]

You know, let me tell you where the hat and thought came from, though. I thought maybe he had the overseas crowd, too. So, anyway, thank you guys. That was fun.

[Rich Davis]

All right, db, let's get an update. Big winner. What's up?

[Dan Byer]

The next round would have been interesting if I could name another boxer outside of Mayweather. That.

[Rich Davis]

That.

[Dan Byer]

Oh, we'll never know.

[Rich Davis]

Tonight, game starts, hour and ten minutes. Vikings favored by two and a half. I said it earlier, we all lost our parlays. By the way, I was sad. Did you notice that after game one, six out of seven of us had already lost our parlay after game one. Chargers, Texans. Danny G. Was the only one that picked the Texans. And I was like, man, Danny's the only one that's alive in our six leg parlay. And then the night game, he's the guy that picked the Steelers. Oh, like now we're all.

[Spot]

Well, I didn't pick the Steelers. I said they would cover the points because I said Ravens by seven. Well, I hate myself for thinking that the Steelers could be in the game.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, well, you know what? Vegas don't want to hear your excuses. Danny G. We all lost our parlays, but tonight, I said it from the beginning. It was my favorite game of the week. I loved it when it was one point. Essentially a pick them. But Minnesota minus two and a half. I know the game is in Arizona. It's not on the road anymore. Which is why the Rams no longer getting a little home field advantage. But tonight, Arizona Rams hosting the Vikings. What? I'm not. I'm not even going to ask you about tonight because I think the Vikings are just a better team. Even though the Rams healthy are Able to compete with anyone. I think you're going to see a big bounce back from Sam Darnold. I think the Vikings light it up tonight. Here's my question for you. Which of these matchups would you rather see next week? Because all the other games are set. The winner of this game plays the Eagles in Philadelphia. Do you want to see the Vikings go to Philly or do you want to see the Rams go to Philly? Like, what to you is the matchup that's more appealing?

[Kavino]

Not only am I kissing the boss's ass because he's a big fan, our buddy rocket dog Matt Ellis, also a big fan, but I just do want to see the Vikings Eagles. So that's my answer, regardless. Vikings.

[Rich Davis]

Now, I know it was a little while back, it was like around Thanksgiving ish time, Eagles came out here to LA and they whooped the Rams. And I know that was before everyone was healthy for the Rams, but I don't know. There's a part of me that says if you want to see a real game next week, if you want to see a matchup, you got it. You got to turn to Vikings Eagles next week. That's. It would only make sense, right? Because when we talk about what teams we expected to be there, the NFC north representing, of course, at the Lions. If it's Lions, you have to imagine.

[Kavino]

AJ Brown finishes the book by then, right?

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, maybe he. I hope so. But you expected all along Vikings, Lions, Eagles, and then, hey, throw a fourth team in there. And that fourth team, you know, is Washington, who's young and exciting and you know, you know, the sentiment over the last.

[Kavino]

Washington's so excited.

[Rich Davis]

You know how the sentiment over the last year and a half has been like, man, everyone's like, if my team's not in it, I'll pull for the Lions. I've lost that sentiment. I'm sorry, Detroit. Don't hate me. Maybe you could change my mind by kissing my ass on social media.

[Kavino]

But you have a new team you feel that way about?

[Rich Davis]

No, I'm saying Washington. When I watched that game this week, the whole. The whole sentiment that, man, the Lions, this is their chance and everyone's like, lions, Bill, someone will win eventually. How could you not say you feel for Jaden Daniels?

[Kavino]

That kids electric boogie Yogi. Yogi. Yeah, okay, I feel you on that.

[Spot]

But your de facto team is switching.

[Kavino]

Yeah, your de facto to the Commandos.

[Spot]

You're cheating on the Lions.

[Rich Davis]

I mean, my. My de facto team is Bills versus Vikings. Because I think those fan bases are even thirsty as thirsty as the Lions. So I just, you know, as I said before, Danny, we said it last week, too. That meme is right. It's a Super bowl we all want. It's combinations of those teams.

[Kavino]

You're allowed to feel that way, though. You are. I bring this back to fighting, always. I always rooted for Canelo, but if he was fighting Triple G, Triple G is my guy.

[Rich Davis]

Yeah, but. But you know, we said the super bowl that no one wants will be the one we likely get. And that's Chiefs, Eagles. Anything but Chiefs, Eagles, please. All right. Enjoy your Monday night wildcard game.

[Kavino]

Oh, hell yeah. We'll be talking about it tomorrow.

[Rich Davis]

And have a great night. Stay safe until then. Arriva Dare she, baby, See you in the promised land.

[Kavino]

Goodbye.

[Rich Davis]

Goodbye.

[Kavino]

Guys. Guys.

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