The Daniel Cormier Show - BEST OF DANIEL CORMIER: Every 2025 Islam Makhachev interview with DC

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Daniel Cormier Show - BEST OF DANIEL CORMIER: Every 2025 Islam Makhachev Interview with DC
Date: December 27, 2025

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Episode Overview

This "best of" compilation highlights a series of in-depth, candid, and humorous interviews Daniel Cormier conducted with UFC lightweight champion Islam Makhachev. In these conversations, Cormier and Makhachev discuss defending titles, family life, legacy, the struggle to be considered the greatest, and the realities of competing at the highest level in MMA. The tone is authentic and playful, filled with camaraderie, friendly jabs, and deep respect.

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Main Themes and Purpose

• Behind-the-scenes insights into Islam’s training camps, family values, and mental preparation.
• Reflections on legacy, records, and the meaning of greatness in MMA, especially in the context of his close relationship with Khabib Nurmagomedov and Daniel Cormier.
• Analysis of upcoming and past fights—technical breakdowns, opponents’ strengths, and the pressure of defending the title.
• Playful banter and friendship between the two, highlighting the lighter side of fighter life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Training Camp, Family, and Balance

• Las Vegas vs. Dagestan Camps ([05:31]–[10:16])

  • Islam explains why he trained for his recent fight in Las Vegas, praising the UFC Performance Institute (PI) and its resources ("Thank you, everyone from UFC PI, they help us a lot. And we have everything what we need." – Makhachev [09:52]).
  • Decision factors include climate, facilities, and logistics for bringing a large team.

• Family Life and Support

  • Makhachev discusses the birth of his third child and immediately departing for training ([06:14]).
  • Aspires to have a big family: “I want seven. Seven children. Full wrestling team." – Makhachev ([06:22]).
  • Talks about his father, a hardworking village farmer, and his mother's inability to watch his fights due to worry ([07:05]–[07:47]).
    • "My mama go outside the house and she walk around the city." – Makhachev ([07:52]).

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2. The Mental Game, Pressure, and Legacy

• Fighting and Not Underestimating Opponents ([11:23]–[16:51])

  • Makhachev notes he may have underestimated Arman Tsarukyan in their first bout, not knowing him well beforehand.
  • On Dustin Poirier: “I'm surprised how he defends my wrestling... but I am not black belt and I still finish him in the last round.” – Makhachev ([16:14], [35:15])

• On Chasing Records and Khabib's Shadow

  • "How much does Islam have to do to surpass Khabib as the greatest lightweight of all time?" – Cormier ([18:21])
    • Islam responds: "It's not my goal. Just one thing I want to do honestly: to be champion many, many years. That's it. No records, nothing. Just defend my belt, be champion." ([18:31])

• Breaking Records

  • Cormier highlights Islam's win streak and closeness to Anderson Silva’s UFC win record ([16:51]).
  • They tease each other about bonuses and legacy, with Islam insisting on humility and focus rather than chasing accolades.

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3. Fight Preparation and Technical Analysis

• Rematches and Expectations ([11:00]–[13:12], [28:25]–[34:31])

  • Discussed strategy and adjustments when facing Arman Tsarukyan again, who now has greater experience.
  • On Jack Della Maddalena: Islam voices respect, notes public underestimating his opponent, and refuses to look at betting odds ([28:57]–[29:39]).

• Wrestling vs. Striking

  • “I can strike with anyone. You know, I strike with Dustin, all fight almost. I strike with Volk. You know, I'm not wrestler. I'm a best MMA fighter.” – Makhachev ([34:15])
  • On whether anyone can stop his takedowns: “No, it's not possible. Maybe some of someone here can defend, but not everything take down.” ([35:47])

• Opponent Preparation

  • Islam questions the effectiveness of bringing in special coaches and training partners for one camp, emphasizing the importance of long-term development ([33:02]–[33:27]).

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4. Friendship, Banter, and AKA Memories

• Playful Rivalry and Gym Stories ([19:24], [28:03], [31:02]–[38:41])

  • Islam and DC exchange jabs about late arrivals, weight, and their appearance during and after their fighting careers.
  • “No chance, bro. Islam, you are the man, bro. I appreciate you spending time with me.” – Cormier ([19:52])
  • Anecdotes about in-gym challenges, training camps in Dagestan, wrestling matches, and help offered to each other’s families and teams.

• On Fellow Fighters (Khabib, Luke Rockhold, etc.)

  • Debates ranking among AKA alumni.
  • Discussion about Khabib's physical shape post-retirement: "Khabib is not skinny, bro. Khabib weighs so heavy right now. And big." – Daniel Cormier ([39:02])
  • Stories of Luke Rockhold and his recent career choices, with Islam suggesting he should "come to Dagestan" to set his mind right ([43:01]).

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5. Looking Ahead: Double Champ Status and Legacy

• Chasing the Second Belt ([36:19]–[37:16])

  • Makhachev outlines why acquiring a second UFC belt matters mainly for legacy, not money: “People fight for the second belt just for the legacy, most of them.” ([36:38])
  • Banters with DC about defending titles and records. DC reminds Islam how much he has already achieved, but points out the unique moments when he, Cormier, held two belts ([37:09]).

• Appreciation and Reflection

  • Makhachev reflects on coming to AKA, seeing pictures of Cormier, Velasquez, and others, never expecting to join them on the gym's wall of fame ([41:28]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• ❝ My mama go outside the house and she walk around the city. ❞
  – Islam Makhachev on his mother avoiding his fights ([07:52])

• ❝ It's not my goal... Just one thing I want to do honestly: to be champion many, many years. ❞
  – Islam Makhachev on surpassing Khabib ([18:31])

• ❝ I'm not wrestler. I'm a best MMA fighter. ❞
  – Islam Makhachev on his evolving style ([34:15])

• ❝ You did this, dude... You won the belt against Charles. You beat Dustin Poirier. Oh man, did you beat Alexander Volkanovski...? ❞
  – Daniel Cormier, trying to keep track of Islam's title defenses ([21:09])

• ❝ I have the title. I have the money. Now what now is the legacy now the second belt. ❞
  – Islam Makhachev on his motivation ([36:38])

• ❝ I just miss the opportunity to spend all that time that we had in the gym where you train and you talk and you hang out. The camaraderie. ❞
  – Daniel Cormier on what he misses from fighting ([42:11])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Las Vegas Training Camp vs. Dagestan
  [05:31]–[10:16]

• Reflecting on Family, Support, and Upbringing
  [06:14]–[07:47]

• Discussion of Arman Tsarukyan, Underdogs, and Rematches
  [11:00]–[13:12], [28:43]–[34:17]

• On Breaking Records and Pursuing Legacy
  [16:51]–[19:15], [36:19]–[37:16]

• Friendly Banter and AKA Stories
  [19:24], [28:03], [31:02]–[38:41]

• On Khabib’s Legacy and Physical Transformation
  [38:41]–[39:22]

• Final Thoughts on Legacy and Being Part of the AKA Wall
  [41:28]–[42:11]

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Conclusion

This episode offers an engaging, humanizing portrait of Islam Makhachev as both champion and individual. Daniel Cormier masterfully draws out both serious reflection and lighthearted camaraderie, omitting hype and focusing on real challenges, growth, and the bonds forged through fighting at the highest level.

For anyone following Islam’s story or interested in the camaraderie unique to MMA, this episode is a must-listen for its blend of honest reflection, technical insight, and vibrant humor.

Transcript

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[Islam Makhachev]

Canada Goose is not like so expensive.

[Daniel Cormier]

I know. This is expensive clothes. Here you go. I want you to have this though. You take this. This is for you. They have khabib look. Khabib like godfather. You know you champion. Umar. Thanks for checking in with me. It fell.

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[Daniel Cormier]

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[Islam Makhachev]

They have new technology that's put like. No. Without this magnet. With magnet.

[Daniel Cormier]

Why?

[Islam Makhachev]

This is a magnet? Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

No, this is not good.

[Islam Makhachev]

Why not?

[Daniel Cormier]

This will have better clear. More audience. Better cl. Oh, man. Thanks for checking in with me, guys. Oh, my boy Islam Mahachev defend his championship this weekend at UFC311. How you feeling, champ? How's everything feel?

[Islam Makhachev]

Good? Drinking water, cutting weight. That's it.

[Daniel Cormier]

You smell that? That biscuit? You like that?

[Islam Makhachev]

Sunday I waiting one morning. Okay.

[Daniel Cormier]

Sunday morning before you leave.

[Islam Makhachev]

I promise you have to be fresh.

[Daniel Cormier]

Fresh hot.

[Islam Makhachev]

Okay.

[Podcast Host]

Warm.

[Daniel Cormier]

You gonna eat this?

[Islam Makhachev]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

Okay. Las Vegas for training camp this time. How was that, man? I mean I read. I read something the other day when you're talking to Demetrius Johnson. You had a baby and it left the next day for training camp.

[Islam Makhachev]

Third one.

[Daniel Cormier]

Third baby.

[Islam Makhachev]

How many you have?

[Daniel Cormier]

Three.

[Islam Makhachev]

Three.

[Daniel Cormier]

Are you done?

[Islam Makhachev]

No, I have. I want seven.

[Daniel Cormier]

You want seven? Children, why? Seven children. Full wrestling team.

[Islam Makhachev]

Seven weight class Olympics, Some of the judo, sambo wrestling. Maybe someone do MMA now I have two boys.

[Daniel Cormier]

Two boys? Nice.

[Islam Makhachev]

I have to be four, bro. Big family is good, man. Yeah, I built new house.

[Daniel Cormier]

You did already?

[Islam Makhachev]

A couple years ago.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah, it's beautiful.

[Islam Makhachev]

Beautiful.

[Daniel Cormier]

I saw Khabib's house. Beautiful house. Is your house like Kami's out?

[Islam Makhachev]

Like a residency, you know. It's so big.

[Daniel Cormier]

It's so big like yours like this.

[Islam Makhachev]

Mine not so big. I live with my grandmother, my father, mother. But it's big but not crazy big.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah, I saw your father when you first won the belt. This guy was very happy, huh?

[Islam Makhachev]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

Very proud of you.

[Islam Makhachev]

This guy is village guy, you know. He's still doing his farm green farm here. Just called me today morning, he said tomato is ready, tomatoes are ready.

[Daniel Cormier]

He's excited about tomatoes. You're fighting for the world title this weekend. This dude's talking about tomatoes.

[Islam Makhachev]

He don't care too much about this old stuff.

[Daniel Cormier]

What you mean, man?

[Islam Makhachev]

He's not on sports, you know, he just hard worker all his life. He work with his hand, you know.

[Daniel Cormier]

Your whole family, they watch the fights though. Mom, dad, kids. Mom can't watch.

[Islam Makhachev]

Mom never watch the fight. And why never again? Like after, if I win? He never, never watch.

[Daniel Cormier]

Even if you win, she doesn't go back and watch it. Why?

[Islam Makhachev]

I don't know. She don't like.

[Daniel Cormier]

So my mom used to go and the whole time she was kind of like. Like this, you know, eyes down, scared.

[Islam Makhachev]

My mama go outside the house and she walk around the city.

[Daniel Cormier]

The guard.

[Islam Makhachev]

Yeah, around where I live. And when I want somebody like from the other house, go like crazy, you know? And she understand.

[Daniel Cormier]

Then she understand you when she go back inside now, now she can like sit and be comfortable.

[Islam Makhachev]

She noticed too much.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah. So Las Vegas though, training camp, how was that? We spoke at. I think we spoke at the last pay per view. You were a little concerned about Habib losing his mind during training camp. Did he lose his mind? And how was the training camp?

[Islam Makhachev]

Why you don't come to control, brother? This crazy month, gymnastics something.

[Daniel Cormier]

Not even gymnastics. No excuses. Just like it's impossible. You go to Las Vegas.

[Islam Makhachev]

Why Las Vegas is.

[Daniel Cormier]

It's very far.

[Islam Makhachev]

50 minutes by flight. From your house? Yeah, why not?

[Daniel Cormier]

But if I go to the fly, I never know if maybe they throw me out. They threw him out. This is the craziest situation.

[Islam Makhachev]

In emergency you can help people, bro.

[Daniel Cormier]

Why they kick him out like this? Crazy. Why they do this to my guy. I don't know what is this number one disrespectful.

[Islam Makhachev]

Brother. I understand if you. If they kick you out from this emergency because you're so big, maybe don't do that.

[Daniel Cormier]

Don't be disrespectful. Don't be disrespectful. I can help because you need strength to pull the. The bar a little bit big.

[Islam Makhachev]

Now, you cannot move too much.

[Daniel Cormier]

No. But all you got to do is pull the lever. That's it.

[Islam Makhachev]

But people have to go from this side.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah, but once I jump, once I pull, I go.

[Islam Makhachev]

You go first.

[Daniel Cormier]

I go first. You go first or you go last?

[Islam Makhachev]

I go last.

[Daniel Cormier]

You wait. I help everybody. Yeah, Khabib go last, too. So what happened is, like, these people from the front, this airline company, disrespectful. They took the worst guy. This guy's the best guy to be in there. What it is, man, it's crazy. But how was the camp?

[Islam Makhachev]

Camp is really hard, man.

[Daniel Cormier]

It was hard.

[Islam Makhachev]

And I like to training in Vegas. Ufcpa, like, all therapy, food, everything is good, you know, training there, brand new facilities, recovery training, training, like UFC PI Team. It's so good, you know. Thank you. Everyone from UFC PI, they help us a lot. And we have everything what we need in last camp in Vegas.

[Daniel Cormier]

When you weigh your camps, your last couple camps in Dagestan to this one, like, is this something you're going to be doing more going forward, coming out to Las Vegas to do your camps?

[Islam Makhachev]

We're thinking where we can make the camp, you know, and Vegas or San Jose? And because this time, three guys cold. San Jose, too, it's cold also. Gym is cold sometimes. And because we come like big team, like three guys fighting. That's why we. Khabib is the coach, and we choose the Vegas. Nice. Vegas. Honestly, one of the.

[Daniel Cormier]

It's a great place for training, especially right now with the PI. It's a great place.

[Islam Makhachev]

Apex, they have everything.

[Daniel Cormier]

Islam, you're fighting Arman Tsaruqian again the first time, right? Even we did, right. When you came back from fight, we all make fun. Like, oh, you lose a round, you do this, this. You said, brother, I won every round. Like, I won three rounds to zero. Yeah, but he fought you on short notice. Do you anticipate a much different fight this time than you got in the last fight?

[Islam Makhachev]

Man, maybe first time I'm a little bit underestimating, because I don't know these guys. Even not. I signed him in ufc. Even not in ufc.

[Daniel Cormier]

He Wasn't signed before he fought you.

[Islam Makhachev]

They looking, looking for opponent for me. That's why he signed there. Because no one from us or other country can want to come to Russia and fight with me. That's why that time we signed him and he grew up more experienced now. Like he's a big guy now, you know, he's big, big experience and one of the best in our division.

[Daniel Cormier]

In that first fight, it seemed as though he was more willing to wrestle you. Offensively, most people shy away from that. They just think defend Islam's takedowns, right? So then they're kind of on their heels the whole time because they're thinking shot, shot, shot, which ultimately leads to you being better with your hands. Do you anticipate he's going to be trying to wrestle you again in this fight?

[Islam Makhachev]

Because all his fight he have same style. If you look how many 9, 10 fight he have in UFC right now, he have all same, always same style with everybody. He go with the striking little bit. And when somebody tries to push him, it go to take down. That's why. Because why he number one, why am I the champion? Because he have good skills in the wrestling. Because I have good skills in the wrestling. Who have good skills in the wrestling. They control the division.

[Daniel Cormier]

You know, it is universally thought, you know what that means? Universal. Like everybody believes this, that this is the toughest fight to date for Islam. Makhachev, do you agree? The first one, this one this weekend is the toughest fight that you'll see.

[Islam Makhachev]

Nobody, no, you know, nobody know some of the fight is. For example, when I was fighting with the Tibao Glace and Tiba in my mind, I prepared like myself for the very hard fight, you know, but it was go easy, you know.

[Daniel Cormier]

And I remember that we fought together that night. You knocked him out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Straight lucky. You get the bonus, you knock him out good, you get bonus.

[Islam Makhachev]

And you what you did submission. Submission, not submission. You ground and pound.

[Daniel Cormier]

No submission. This was against Rumble, Johnson or Vulcan. Like, who's the mirror? Okay, yeah, ground and pound.

[Islam Makhachev]

Ground and pound. They don't give me bonus. They give you bonus.

[Daniel Cormier]

No, I thought you got the bonus.

[Islam Makhachev]

No, that night I don't get the bonus.

[Daniel Cormier]

I wonder why.

[Islam Makhachev]

Why you get the bonus?

[Daniel Cormier]

I don't know. You're a rich guy now, you don't need the bonus.

[Islam Makhachev]

Now, now I don't need. But that time I need the bonus. You know, you have to come to my room. Hey, I'm not deserved and give you the 50 grand. Yes, brother.

[Daniel Cormier]

So you're telling me right now if you get a bonus over Umar, right, you'll take the 50 grand and go give it to Umar? So you would go give tag. He would not do that.

[Islam Makhachev]

Tagir wants some, like, crazy things, but.

[Daniel Cormier]

You didn't do a crazy thing. You hit a one punch.

[Islam Makhachev]

One punch, knock him out, sleep. But okay, like, more than this.

[Daniel Cormier]

If maybe you do like spinning back fist twice like this guy in. In Abu Dhabi, okay, I give him the money. But if you only do one punch, knockout, and I do the same thing, we do the same thing.

[Islam Makhachev]

What you did.

[Daniel Cormier]

Punch, just punch. Finish.

[Islam Makhachev]

100 pounds, you know, go easy.

[Daniel Cormier]

What did you. What did I hit him with? My fist?

[Islam Makhachev]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

What did you hit the guy with your fist?

[Islam Makhachev]

My arm.

[Daniel Cormier]

So it's the same thing, right? Like, there's no reason to give you the 50 grand.

[Islam Makhachev]

It's not. It's not true, man.

[Daniel Cormier]

You know, you never know what's going to come. The Dustin Poirier fight, a lot of people made it seem like that was a super tough fight. When you go back and watch it, like, what did you make of that fight?

[Islam Makhachev]

You know, improve a lot from this fight. Like, my striking become better from this fight because I know I can strike with anyone. Because Dustin is one of the dangerous guys in our division who have better than him boxing, you know, I go with him, like, and I feel comfortable if Khabib and all corners don't told me take him down, take. I can knock him out, you know, because I landed a lot of.

[Daniel Cormier]

You were. You were landing really good in the striking.

[Islam Makhachev]

He landed also. But we have good, good fight in the striking. But from this fight, I improve a.

[Daniel Cormier]

Lot, you know, Islam. So I'll tell you this right now, so I keep count. You told me after the first Volkanovski fight, you maybe underestimate him a little bit, right?

[Islam Makhachev]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

You're telling me now that from the Armand Tsarukian fight, you possibly underestimate him? No. But did you underestimate Dustin Poirier?

[Islam Makhachev]

No.

[Daniel Cormier]

So now, now that you. How do you not underestimate Arman again?

[Islam Makhachev]

I'm surprised when I fight with Dustin. I'm surprised how he defends my wrestling. You know, I'm not underestimated because this.

[Daniel Cormier]

Is like, how do you make sure you don't do that again against Arman?

[Islam Makhachev]

No, no, no.

[Daniel Cormier]

Is that from the first fight? You gained the respect from the first fight because he said that he doesn't even look at the first fight because he's a different guy.

[Islam Makhachev]

He's a number one contender right now. It means he's a high level fighter. How I can underestimate, maybe when I fought with Volkanovski, I think he's going to be short, small, something like that. But right now I have a real opponent who have everything, you know, I have to be ready.

[Daniel Cormier]

You know, one thing that happens when the guy wins as much as you do, you're like. And I don't know if you even noticed or if you pay attention to it, you're like two fights from breaking Anderson Silva's record for wins in a row in the UFC. You're at 14 straight wins, which is a crazy how many you have. Dude, stop. God damn, man. I never won 14 fights in a row. I only had like 13 fights in the UFC. You never. You already break my record. Khabib record. You beat Khabib in terms of his wins in the ufc. Nobody does that. Like it's Anderson, Kamaru Usman and then you. But if you win this weekend, you tie Kamaru Usman, you'll be one from Anderson Silva. You've won the championship, you've defended the championship twice. If you win this weekend, you will now have the record for most title fight wins in the ufc. Think about that stuff, because now you're on the verge of getting spoken about in historical terms. We used to always talk about that in the gym, right? Want to be number one. Pound for pound, we want to be this, we want to be that. You're checking all those boxes now. You ever stop and like take note of it a little bit and go, man, this is really special.

[Islam Makhachev]

Honestly, man, I never thinking about this. I don't know how many Usman have, how many Andersons, but last week Lara media asked me about this. You know, it's good, good for the legacy. And I become close to you guys, Habib you to become in hall of fames.

[Daniel Cormier]

So Islam, that's, that's another thing. So everybody wants to ask me, right? Because I know you guys well, how much does Islam have to do to surpass Habib as the greatest lightweight of all time?

[Islam Makhachev]

It's not my goal. It's not some things which I want to do, you know, just one things. What I want to do honestly, to be champion many, many years. That's it. No records, nothing. Just defend my belt, be champion. You know, when you have belt it different.

[Daniel Cormier]

I told him that I, I said that, that was my answer. The respect he has for that guy and what he's done for his career, you don't Want to surpass that. It's like, I think Habib's the greatest lightweight of all time. I think Habib's the greatest fighter of all time. But I also think. I also think that Arman Tsarukian needs to be somebody or somebody needs to be able to challenge you in a way that can elevate you to that next level of superstarter. That's my.

[Islam Makhachev]

I don't think it's. Arman Sarukan is like big name, you know, he's a good fighter.

[Daniel Cormier]

You need a big name, though.

[Islam Makhachev]

Yeah. Maybe some of the. Maybe you're come back.

[Daniel Cormier]

Me, you know that if I came back, I would still beat you, as I always beat you. I'm now. I'm now fat, out of shape, golf.

[Islam Makhachev]

Guy, lazy, don't want to cut weight.

[Daniel Cormier]

Me, I can make 205. I can make 205.

[Islam Makhachev]

You can come back, cut weights and be in the top.

[Daniel Cormier]

Top 20. Everybody would beat me.

[Islam Makhachev]

I don't want to be in the top 25.

[Daniel Cormier]

No.

[Islam Makhachev]

100%.

[Daniel Cormier]

No chance, bro. Islam, you are the man, bro. I appreciate you spending time with me. Oh, we're doing one of these.

[Islam Makhachev]

Still strong?

[Daniel Cormier]

I'm very strong.

[Islam Makhachev]

What you did? Training a little bit.

[Daniel Cormier]

Me? Why? Why would you think I trained a little bit? You have to right now. Wrestling, dude. Only wrestling?

[Islam Makhachev]

No, no. When you go to the daughter's school, do some gymnastics.

[Daniel Cormier]

It's so hard. Have you ever done gymnastics? Your kid does gymnastics?

[Islam Makhachev]

Not now.

[Daniel Cormier]

You're gonna do. It's like very, very hard. Gymnastics, wrestling. I do wrestling with my kids on my team if I feel like taking on.

[Islam Makhachev]

How's your team?

[Daniel Cormier]

Very good team.

[Islam Makhachev]

When you send them back?

[Daniel Cormier]

We go back. We go back as soon as we get a chance. When you invite, I take now all.

[Islam Makhachev]

My little kids and you come with them.

[Daniel Cormier]

I want to. I went there before, you know, Dagestan.

[Islam Makhachev]

But how many years, brother? The last 15 years. I will come Dagestan. I will come Dagestan. Never.

[Daniel Cormier]

I'm going to Dagestan, guys. I promise it. Islam Makhachev defends his championship this weekend for the third time. That would be the record for most titled fight Wins in the UFC at us. 3. How many times?

[Podcast Host]

Four.

[Daniel Cormier]

Nobody's defended that ball four times.

[Islam Makhachev]

You say three.

[Daniel Cormier]

I did this, dude.

[Islam Makhachev]

You did this. But you say four.

[Daniel Cormier]

I said four. So you won the belt against Charles. You beat Dustin Poirier. Oh, man. Did you beat Alexander Volkanovski? Two time defense. So it's five. So it's five. Is it five? Wait Stop. So is it five?

[Islam Makhachev]

Six?

[Daniel Cormier]

No, wait, stop, wait. So you beat. So you beat Volkanovski twice? The fifth? Yes. You beat Charles Oliveira?

[Islam Makhachev]

Yes. I take the belt.

[Daniel Cormier]

And he won the belt, so. Yeah. Five. Four defenses, five titles. Good job, man. Congratulations. I didn't know.

[Islam Makhachev]

How many belts do you have? I broke all your records.

[Daniel Cormier]

No, not yet.

[Islam Makhachev]

What do you have?

[Daniel Cormier]

Double check. Remember that, guys? Islam defends the belt. UFC 311. Hit that pay per view buy button. It's not like he needs any more money, but he could use it.

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[Daniel Cormier]

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[Islam Makhachev]

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[Daniel Cormier]

This is where mindset comes in.

[Podcast Host]

Someone will be eliminated.

[Daniel Cormier]

Pressure is coming down. Trainer Games on Prime Video January 8th. Watch the trailer on trainergames.com hey, when you go, you know it's cold. You tell Jack Della Madeleine this the other day. It's very cold.

[Islam Makhachev]

Yeah, I tell him, we have to warm up the city.

[Daniel Cormier]

It's freezing here. It's cold in Russia now.

[Islam Makhachev]

It's the same, same, same.

[Daniel Cormier]

Thanks, champ. My man. Guys, Islam Makachev getting ready to challenge for the Welterweight championship of the world this weekend. What's up, man? How you feeling? I gotta be honest with you. Like, this is. This is my name, Daniel Cormier. Tv like real deal now.

[Islam Makhachev]

Hey, TV channel.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yes. Hey, so listen, I gotta be honest with you.

[Islam Makhachev]

Be honest.

[Daniel Cormier]

I kind of don't like the way you promote this fight with just constant shots at me like D.C. this, D.C. fed, D.C. fed everybody.

[Islam Makhachev]

Brother just come from the media. They ask me, you still thinking about 185 you? Yeah, they ask me, I just Told them if DC help me, I can gain weight.

[Daniel Cormier]

But why always. Do you see this D.C. this. Hey, what about the other day, Abu Bakr? I killed this guy. I killed Khabib too, a little bit. I kill him. Come on, video. Come on video. Will Harris edit this video? This guy Will Harris is the worst video editor of all time. He make like. He make like I stay on the ground the whole time. Come on, Rizvan. I was not on the ground the whole time. These guys go crazy. Look at this. You guys like together. Click.

[Islam Makhachev]

I'm happy that you burn a lot of calories.

[Daniel Cormier]

I always, always, always I lift weights. You comment, you say, this guy work hard, huh?

[Islam Makhachev]

I happy when I see you post something inside the gym, I'm like really happy.

[Daniel Cormier]

Why?

[Islam Makhachev]

Because, brother, people look at you and thinking, this is like one of the best fighter of all the time.

[Daniel Cormier]

And how it was even when I was fighting, people think this.

[Islam Makhachev]

No, when you're fighting, you look good, man.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah, I know. I look good now too though.

[Islam Makhachev]

A little bit.

[Daniel Cormier]

I'm look really good looking face. You may have better body, but my face better than yours.

[Islam Makhachev]

You promised me not gonna.

[Daniel Cormier]

I cut it. I cut it. You say no this morning I cut a little bit. I leave though. See, I still got the beard, but it's like nice and neat, you know.

[Islam Makhachev]

Don't cut, brother. You say, I will come to Dagestan.

[Daniel Cormier]

I will come to Dagestan in the summer and I'll keep longer.

[Islam Makhachev]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

All right.

[Islam Makhachev]

From today to summertime.

[Daniel Cormier]

No chance. It itches. No chance. Guys, Islam fights. Jack Della Maddalena. How's it been being around Jack Della Maddalena this week and being so close to ultimately something that you talked about years ago. Trying to become a champion in two way classes.

[Islam Makhachev]

Yeah. Like happy, happy. Biggest card of the year. Like best arena and biggest fight on my life. Very excited and like really happy.

[Daniel Cormier]

Are you surprised that you're as big a favorite as you are over Jack Della Madalina? Because when I hear you talk about the fight, you're very aware of how tough a fight this is. But it seems like the general public thinks that it's a foregone conclusion that you're going to be world champion.

[Islam Makhachev]

I never thinking about this, like what. Who, who make the rankings? Who make this?

[Daniel Cormier]

The. The numbers.

[Islam Makhachev]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

Guys that do bets. Odds makers, they call them.

[Islam Makhachev]

I don't do bets. That's right. I don't.

[Daniel Cormier]

You don't bet?

[Islam Makhachev]

I don't believe and I don't like check.

[Daniel Cormier]

Well, I'm telling You right now, your big favorite over Jack Della Madeleine.

[Islam Makhachev]

You did.

[Daniel Cormier]

But I don't gamble. Better ways to spend your money, huh?

[Islam Makhachev]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

Like this. Like on this. What is this watch? What is this watch? Yes. What kind of watch is this? Like target watch you get from target. Wow.

[Islam Makhachev]

What time is it?

[Daniel Cormier]

It has. No, I can't tell what time is it? Whatever time it is, I'm late. Oh, man.

[Islam Makhachev]

Hey, the other day, whoever this guts, they never went.

[Daniel Cormier]

They never late. But you were early, which is very odd.

[Islam Makhachev]

Professional.

[Daniel Cormier]

30 minutes before we were supposed to interview. 30 minutes before.

[Islam Makhachev]

I'm not surprised when you laid. You always late inside the gym.

[Daniel Cormier]

Also, I was never late in training.

[Islam Makhachev]

Like broke all rules in A.K.A.

[Daniel Cormier]

No, I didn't. When I. When. When we weren't. When we were all training together, I was always 12 o', clock practice, 11:55. 11:55, I show up.

[Islam Makhachev]

I remember. You, like, travel big.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yep. Like suitcase.

[Islam Makhachev]

Yeah. You come always, like 11, 15. 11.

[Daniel Cormier]

No, we trained 12. Yeah, 11:15. I was there. I would show up. 11:15, practice start, 12 o'.

[Islam Makhachev]

Clock. No, 11. You always late, man. You always not professional. But on your work, be professional.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah.

[Islam Makhachev]

Some of the fighter. Okay, I am good now. I feel good. Not cutting like much weight. Some of the guys cutting weight. If you late, they're gonna beat you.

[Daniel Cormier]

Beat me? You think that people can beat me now?

[Islam Makhachev]

Two, three people can beat you together.

[Daniel Cormier]

At the same time.

[Islam Makhachev]

I remember one time when we almost smashed you in a cage.

[Daniel Cormier]

You try to jump me almost. Because khabib. Yeah, why you guys. You guys follow this guy like this, huh? He's the leader, huh?

[Islam Makhachev]

Remember?

[Daniel Cormier]

Tell me the story.

[Islam Makhachev]

You say, like, you big, like, you bring the crutch man, like, as you say, this is my team. This is my team. You teach like 10, 15 people. But when we almost smash you, nobody can.

[Daniel Cormier]

You're crazy.

[Islam Makhachev]

Nobody like step to help you, you know?

[Daniel Cormier]

Remember, this was you. You guys wanted to fight me. Why? Why you want to smash me?

[Islam Makhachev]

Because you go crazy with Javi that time.

[Daniel Cormier]

Why I go crazy?

[Islam Makhachev]

You make him injure.

[Daniel Cormier]

No, I didn't injure Habib. I've never injured.

[Islam Makhachev]

Habib injured his neck.

[Daniel Cormier]

He said, oh, and I grabbed the head.

[Islam Makhachev]

You say, let's. Let's do like something easy. And you go hard with him.

[Daniel Cormier]

But do you remember the other day when we're in. When we were in practice, I tell him, I'm finished. I'm finished. I go on the side. What do you do? Throw me down, jump on me?

[Islam Makhachev]

Two days ago.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yes. It's okay, but it's the same like, because he say, okay, I don't work.

[Islam Makhachev]

Man make you work to have good dinner.

[Daniel Cormier]

So wait, why, why, why? When I do it, I try hurt Habib, but when he do it, he just make me work. You see, now you, Now I understand bias. You know, everybody say, oh, he biased Islam. Now I understand bias.

[Islam Makhachev]

Now you both retired. Who cares if you injured nobody at that time. He's still fighting.

[Daniel Cormier]

Islam. Jack is, has improved greatly in his wrestling. He's working with Craig Jones, Alexander Volkanovski. Alexander Volkanovski, who had success defending takedowns, is also helping him prepare. What do you make of that? Seeing all those guys ask me, let's.

[Islam Makhachev]

Make this Craig one fight, MMA fight.

[Daniel Cormier]

Everybody asks you what?

[Islam Makhachev]

Like, he helped me to improve something. Improve something. It's not working like this. When you bring someone for one camp or for two camps, I, I just give you good example. I tell them yesterday, what about Khamzat fighting with Diplossy? I think diplocy bring many coaches, many partners, but it's not help. It's not working like this.

[Daniel Cormier]

He was waiting. Why was he waiting so long to try? Did he ever sprawl? Du Plessis? Did he ever sprawl? I don't think he ever sprawled upset.

[Islam Makhachev]

But I don't think he even watched the wrestling match in the tv. You know.

[Daniel Cormier]

He didn't sprawl one time. There was one thing you had to do in that fight, and that was defend wrestling. He didn't sprawl. So do you think Jack will be able to wrestle or be able to stop takedowns? Or do you anticipate that you're going to be able to take him down.

[Islam Makhachev]

And control him one time, Second time, but you know, I will try again. Again, again, hard to stop.

[Daniel Cormier]

Are you comfortable? Are you comfortable standing and striking with Jack Della Madeleine if you need to.

[Islam Makhachev]

For 25 minutes, like fighting, like, wrestle against boxer? I will strike. I can strike with anyone. You know, I strike with Dustin, all fight almost. I strike with Volk. You know, I'm not wrestler. I'm a best MMA fighter.

[Daniel Cormier]

You know, when you talk about these guys, there's some things, when we talk, you always say crazy stuff, but there's a clip where you were talking about Dustin Poirier's black belt. There's just so many clips of you like talking about these guys when you fight them. Is it what's expected? Because Dustin was able to defend the takedowns, Dustin was able to stay upright, and you have to beat him on the feet. But are you surprised at times when you get in there with someone when you have an idea that they're not going to be as good at something? Because like I said, Dustin's a black belt. He was able to defend himself up until the fifth round. And then you did to get a takedown. You did exactly what we teach you. That's the one that takedown would teach you with the leg. That's the one we teach you, man.

[Islam Makhachev]

Us don't have this technique, man. Us single leg, double leg and pressure.

[Daniel Cormier]

The best wrestling school, the best wrestling country in the world right now, and you're telling me we don't have something?

[Islam Makhachev]

Single leg, double leg and pressure. That's it.

[Daniel Cormier]

So. So again, are you surprised?

[Islam Makhachev]

Yeah, like, surprise? Yeah. Honestly, I'm surprised. He defend wrestling very well, but I am not black belt and I still finish him in the last round.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah. Would you be surprised if Jack is able to defend every takedown?

[Islam Makhachev]

Every takedown?

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah.

[Islam Makhachev]

No, it's not possible.

[Daniel Cormier]

Every takedown, it's not possible.

[Islam Makhachev]

Maybe some of someone here can defend, but not everything take down.

[Daniel Cormier]

You think you take anybody down?

[Islam Makhachev]

Yeah, if I take you down.

[Daniel Cormier]

You never took me down, I swear.

[Islam Makhachev]

I have video, man.

[Daniel Cormier]

You want me to show you the picture of me and you and whose hand is Romero holding up after the. After the match?

[Islam Makhachev]

No, we talk about picture take down, not about picture. I have video and I take you down.

[Daniel Cormier]

You know, you've been promising this video for three fights now, and I've never seen the video.

[Islam Makhachev]

I will show you.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah, you need to show me the video. If you win this fight this weekend, what would that mean to you and legacy? Because I think earlier in the week I heard you on an interview and you spoke about legacy. I don't know that I've ever heard you say legacy before. What would this mean to you and your legacy to become a champion in two divisions, man.

[Islam Makhachev]

I take the title. I have the title. I have the money. Now what now is the legacy now the second belt. People fight for the second belt just for the legacy, most of them. And like you, you take the second belt in Madison Square Garden?

[Daniel Cormier]

No, Vegas. But I defended it in Madison Square Garden.

[Islam Makhachev]

My arena is better.

[Daniel Cormier]

What, to become double champion?

[Islam Makhachev]

Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

I fought Madison Square Garden too.

[Islam Makhachev]

Islam, but not for the second belt.

[Daniel Cormier]

I had two belts when I came into Madison Square Garden and left with two belts.

[Islam Makhachev]

See you see, man, I close.

[Daniel Cormier]

You understand?

[Islam Makhachev]

I close to beat you all records are you.

[Daniel Cormier]

You'd have to have the second belt Still Islam.

[Islam Makhachev]

And you have more title defense the hall of fame. You're in the hall of fame?

[Daniel Cormier]

Yes. There's a lot. You can list them all.

[Islam Makhachev]

It's hard.

[Daniel Cormier]

You know what I know? You know what I know you asked.

[Islam Makhachev]

Me always I need to some things to look and I want to beat you know mine.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah, yeah. Soon you need to so.

[Islam Makhachev]

And I will be one of the best fighter from AKA yes, you already.

[Daniel Cormier]

One of the best of all time from AK you know, right now. You know right now in AKA history. It's me, Habib only two over you now you got to you pass Luke and Kane. No Kane still you're number four. You're still number four because Kane do a little bit better than you in his career. Little bit cage deal.

[Islam Makhachev]

I'm number for which number you are me.

[Daniel Cormier]

Khabib never lost. So I kind of put him number one. Because he's undefeated. It's hard not to lose.

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[Daniel Cormier]

Think about this like the one time don't think. No, but I'm saying you could never lose. Like you were better than the guy. But you make mistake. Khabib never lost. It's impossible to like never lose. Right? So yes, he. I will put him. He's very good. 29 fights, no losses even. Sometimes you fall down like somebody kicked you. You can lose a fight even still right now.

[Islam Makhachev]

He never lost. Beat you inside the gym.

[Daniel Cormier]

Hey, he's super. He's. He's insanely big. You know how you always say brother, but there's a thing like you say. But there's a thing like you say, hey, you need to do this every day. So you get skinny. Habib ain't skinny. He grapple every day, every week. Khabib is not skinny, bro. Khabib weighs so heavy right now. And big.

[Islam Makhachev]

No, he's big, but not fit.

[Daniel Cormier]

I don't know if you've seen his legs. His ankle fat. His leg and this. You see this part? It's very fat.

[Islam Makhachev]

Don't talk about somebody. You cannot. You cannot right now.

[Daniel Cormier]

Okay, so tell me, Saturday night, how do you expect this fight to go?

[Islam Makhachev]

I hope it's gonna be easy, but I don't think it's gonna be easy. He's a good. No, he's a good. I watch his many fights. Some of the striker, if you take him down, they're like uncomfortable there.

[Daniel Cormier]

But I see he scrambles. He scrambles really well. Whenever the fight is gone, you know.

[Islam Makhachev]

How to move, what to do, you know, he's good everywhere. I hope it's Gonna be easy, but ready for anything.

[Daniel Cormier]

Did you. Was he bigger than you thought whenever you stood in front of him?

[Islam Makhachev]

No, he's like same toe, but maybe inside the cage he's gonna be couple kilograms bigger than me. But still, if the fight day, you come to my room and give me some food. We will do.

[Daniel Cormier]

I'm gonna have the traditional Dagestan food.

[Islam Makhachev]

I remember last time after the fight, you give me the it. What do you give me?

[Daniel Cormier]

What? Oh yeah, I give you. You like this one, huh? It was the. The. The like biscuit with the cheese. And you eat this one?

[Islam Makhachev]

Yes.

[Daniel Cormier]

It's very good, huh?

[Islam Makhachev]

You will bring it again.

[Daniel Cormier]

That's in Los Angeles. It's a restaurant only Los Angeles Porto's. It's very good. Okay, but something's bring, man, I'll bring you. I'll bring you something, but you have to win. If you don't win, you get no. You get no. You get no snacks, no food, no go back to dagger stand and don't get fed. You know how we play out there. Last thing. You guys all come from the same place, extremely close. All these goals that are set out in front of you to achieve them, to accomplish them. Did you ever imagine that this would be your career? Like thinking back to that kid that walked into AKA when you in Islam. My medal had two different color shirts. Remember? Islam red, Islam, black. Because we not black, gray, gray, Islam, gray, Islam, red. It's like, could you ever imagine that your career would be this like the number one pound for pound fighter in the world.

[Islam Makhachev]

I just came to AKA and look at the wall. You know, you can Velasquez, Luke and I thinking my picture never gonna, never gonna be. Why now I can move you all guys. You guys finish.

[Daniel Cormier]

You've done so much. You might not have thought that you could be up there, but I'm telling you, the first day you walked into the gym, it was very evident that you would be a world champion.

[Islam Makhachev]

Thinking, you know, I have this success, you know, thanks God. I have everything right now. I have belts, you know, and you guys also. Yeah, AKA helped me a lot. I training like so hard in AKA always the bike was. I still remember this room. I don't like this room.

[Daniel Cormier]

But still remember more than anything, somebody asked me yesterday, like, what do you miss about fighting? I don't miss fighting. I don't miss walking. I don't miss any of that. I just missed the opportunity to spend all that time that we had in the gym where you train and you talk and you hang out the camaraderie. That's what I miss the most.

[Islam Makhachev]

Let's make one camp in a.k.a. not Like Crazy hard training just for lose weight, you know, with me. You Habib.

[Daniel Cormier]

Oh no. So you admit now, Habib maybe need to lose a few pounds too. This guy's a fat shamer, man. Islam. Makashev, man.

[Islam Makhachev]

We will bring Luke.

[Daniel Cormier]

You taught. You see Luke Instagram. This guy's out of his mind.

[Islam Makhachev]

What's wrong with him? We have to bring him back. Fix his mind.

[Daniel Cormier]

His mind is broken. Islam. Islam. What happened to his mind?

[Islam Makhachev]

I don't know what happened. And this is the. Without the gloves. He fight there? Yeah.

[Daniel Cormier]

No, he fought without the gloves. And he fought Darren Till. Remember Darren Till knocked him out. This is crazy. Knockout. Very, very bad knockout. Luke, why?

[Islam Makhachev]

Why you went when he was with you in AKA you have to teach him to box to do it. Like to how to live to. Don't go there.

[Daniel Cormier]

I'm a man. I'm a man. He's a man. You're a man. We can't teach one man how to live his life, man. Why don't you call him and tell him? Why don't you call Luke and say, hey Luke, you need to like, maybe stop like going crazy all the time.

[Islam Makhachev]

To come to Dagestan.

[Daniel Cormier]

Two, three years. No, keep Luke in Dagestan forever. Luke, we're gonna help you. My brother Islam Makachel fights for the UFC Welterweight Championship this weekend. Looking to become a champion in two way classes. One of the best fighters of all time and one of the best fighters powerful pound of all time sitting to my left right here. Thanks for checking in again, my brother. I appreciate you. Yeah, he's a wrestle guy. I kicked his button. Practiced the other day. Yeah. Until next time like subscribe and tell your friends about my YouTube channel. Peace.

[Podcast Host]

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[Islam Makhachev]

All.

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[Islam Makhachev]

Oh.

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[Islam Makhachev]

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[Podcast Host]

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[Daniel Cormier]

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