The Daniel Cormier Show - DC CLAPS BACK at Nate Diaz for callout on Theo Von's podcast: "You're AVERAGE!"

Summary

The Daniel Cormier Show: DC CLAPS BACK at Nate Diaz for callout on Theo Von's podcast: "You're AVERAGE!"

The Herd with Colin Cowherd | April 4, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this passionate episode, Daniel Cormier directly addresses Nate Diaz's callout of him (and other UFC analysts) from Theo Von’s podcast. Cormier offers a detailed and fiery response, comparing his own career to Diaz’s, challenging Diaz’s criticisms of analysts, and reflecting on what truly defines greatness and legacy in MMA. The episode offers fans an unfiltered look at fighter pride, respect, and the lines between analysis and personal attack.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Nate Diaz’s Callout & Cormier’s Response

• Diaz Criticizes Fighters-Turned-Analysts:

  • On Theo Von’s podcast, Nate Diaz referred to analysts like Cormier as “Mr. Know it all,” questioning their credibility and suggesting they're analyzing fights because “you were never even a fighter,” and didn’t do enough in their own careers.
  • Diaz also implies analysts only critique because they're no longer in the game at the top level.

• Cormier’s Initial Reaction (03:00–06:00):

  • “I'm a lot of things, guys, but one thing I'm not is nobody. When did it become okay for men to start calling each other out their name like that? That's not cool, man.” (03:43)
  • Cormier expresses surprise and frustration, emphasizing the respect typically shown among fighters, regardless of disagreements.

• Cormier’s Defense of His Analyst Role (06:00–08:20):

  • “I was actually pretty fair to this dude…but the reality is…the one thing we will not do is compare myself to Nate Diaz because it’s different levels, much different. I’m a champion. Two weight classes. I lost three times in my career. Four if you count the no contest. We’re not in the same stratosphere in terms of fighters.” (04:36)
  • Cormier insists that being an analyst is a continuation of serving MMA – educating fans and honoring the game, not a sign of inability to compete.
  • He highlights that most top analysts—Bisping, Dominick Cruz, Felder—are former champions.

2. Comparing Fight Careers: Winning, Losing, Money

• Direct Comparison—Cormier vs. Diaz (08:20–10:32):

  • Cormier lists Diaz’s 13 career losses to 13 different fighters, emphasizing he himself lost to only two men at the highest level and late in his career.
  • “For me, it’s hard for me to fathom losing to 13 people in the sport that you chose…you were losing fights in your 20s, [in] your absolute athletic prime…that, to me, is crazy.” (09:49)
  • “You lost to 13 people…that seems impossible. Maybe it’s not impossible, but – come on. That’s crazy.” (10:32)

• On Money and Legacy (08:50–11:00):

  • Reflects on how competing for titles and big fights led both men to financial success.
  • “The lowest form of insult is when you have one guy that's doing really well insult the other guy that's doing really well by saying, ‘I've made more money than you.’ …at what point does having money mean you just have money?” (07:44)

• Acknowledges McGregor's Influence on Diaz’s Pay (“he made money…Conor McGregor elevated Nate Diaz”)

  • Happy that Diaz is earning big: “That makes me happy. But again, it's not like I'm sitting over here struggling. I'm doing fine. I'm happy in my life.” (08:13)

3. The Meaning of Loss, Competitive Spirit, and the “Average” Label

• Fighter Mentalities—Crying for Loss, Caring for Wins (16:27–19:15):

  • “Maybe if you cried, Nathan, you wouldn't be so okay with losing… I cried because losing to me was like death. That's why I cry. You don't cry. You go to the after party, you go hang out with your friends, you get beat on a Saturday, [then] on Monday, you're talking again like you're the best in the world.” (18:14)
  • “Maybe if you cried, we would think that you cared and winning and losing really mattered, because I'm telling you, don't feel like it when it comes to you. Go make your money. Do well for your family…” (18:22)
  • Cormier reframes crying as a sign of passion and drive—not weakness.

• Cormier Doubles Down: “You’re Average” (19:30–21:45):

  • “Reality is, you're average. You've always been, but you've made a lot of money. That's good. But you're average. You can talk all you want now, but it'll never change the fact that you can't go back in time. We can't go back in time and make you better than you were. So you keep punching above your head, right?” (20:53)
  • Says Diaz lacks the top-level wins held by champions: “All these dudes had titles. Let it go. Let it go, guys.” (21:15)

• On Respect and Confrontation:

  • Cormier claims he would have no issue saying all this to Diaz’s face, not hiding behind social media or entourages.

4. Final Thoughts, MMA Community, and Legacy

• On Being Comfortable, Taking Shots, and Fan Support (21:45–22:45):
  • “Times…they get a little comfortable. And this dude getting way too comfortable… just punching up like this, punching to the ceiling. Like, come on, man.” (22:15)
  • Cormier admits he doesn’t like to be drawn into beefs but feels compelled to set the record straight for the sake of the sport and its history.
  • Despite criticism, Cormier insists he respects Diaz as a fighter and a family man, but will not ignore disrespect toward his own career and that of fellow analysts.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Cormier on Being Called Out:

  • “When did it become okay for men to start calling each other out their name like that? That's not cool, man.” (03:43)

• On the Fighter-Analyst Divide:

  • “It’s not because I didn’t make any money…I fought for belts as many times as we did, you make your money.” (07:25)

• Money Talk:

  • “When you got two guys that have made millions of dollars and you’re arguing about who has a million dollars more—the lowest form of insult…” (07:44)
  • “I don’t know what Nate Diaz made, but this dude is like...he sits up there and he talks and he talks and he rants. He just kind of loses his mind. Somebody got to check him.” (17:50)

• On Losing:

  • “You lost to 13 people, you were losing fights in your 20s…that, to me, is crazy.” (09:59)
  • “Maybe if you cried…maybe we would think you care about winning and losing.” (18:14)

• Cormier’s Parting Shot:

  • “Reality is, you're average. You've always been, but you've made a lot of money. That's good. But you're average.” (20:53)
  • “If you ask me what I feel about him in his career, in my face, I will tell him: you're average, because that's exactly what you were. You won 21 fights, and you lost 13—to a guy like me, that seems impossible.” (22:00)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• [03:00] – Cormier introduces the controversy sparked by Nate Diaz’s comments on Theo Von’s podcast.
• [04:36] – Cormier draws a career distinction: “I’m a champion. Two weight classes…”
• [07:44] – On the futility of “money comparison” beefs in MMA.
• [09:49] – Direct comparison of Cormier’s and Diaz’s career losses.
• [16:27]–[19:15] – On the emotional toll of losing; why Cormier thinks “crying” shows a champion’s heart.
• [20:53] – Cormier delivers his “average” verdict on Diaz’s fighting legacy.

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Tone & Takeaways

• Tone: Blunt, proud, and unflinching. Cormier alternates between defensive and reflective, but always speaks as a champion who takes pride in his career.
• Takeaways:
  • Cormier defends his analyst role as one earned by fighting at the highest level, not as a step down after failing at competition.
  • He challenges the legitimacy of Diaz’s criticism by directly comparing their careers—noting vast differences in success, losses, and legacy.
  • While Cormier does not hide his contempt for being disrespected by Diaz, he admits to respecting him as a fighter, just not as a peer at the highest echelon.

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Final Words

Daniel Cormier’s episode is less about stoking ongoing beef for drama and more about drawing clear lines in the sand about respect, achievement, and what true greatness in MMA looks like. Fans get to experience an honest, impassioned defense—from a former champion—about what it means to leave a legacy in the fight game and why achievements can, and should, speak for themselves.

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Mr. Know it all somehow D.C. and all of them, you're gonna talk about people fighting. Those are the kind of. They need their asses beat. So Nate is. Is. I don't think. I don't even know if he was prompted to ask. Asked about fighters that become analysts. But then he starts to address us with analysts. So the last time Nate did this, right, Nate called me a. This was my response. I'm a lot of things, guys, but one thing I'm not is nobody. When did it become okay for men to start calling each other out their name like that? That's not cool, man. And to say I'm not a fighter is just. I don't get it. Because, again, I feel like I was actually pretty fair to this dude. But the reality is, the one thing we will not do is compare myself to Nate Diaz because it's different levels, much different. I'm a champion. Two weight classes. I lost three times in my career. Four if you count the fight that was called a no contest. We're not in the same stratosphere in terms of fighters. I'm doing my job. I'm not a. I'm not Going to disrespect nobody, and I'm not going to sit up here and just get disrespected by these dudes. But to call me out my name like that and to say the boy ain't did what the boy did. Luiz going to pull up a whole bunch of videos and run a highlight reel of what I did in my career. And in those pictures, going to be a lot of belts and a lot of championships. I fought the best. Nate, here's the deal. I ain't got a problem with you. When I see. Hey, I'm gonna tip my hat off to you. If you want to say something to me, come up to me, tell me. Tell me what the issue is. We can discuss it like men. I thought I was very respectful in the way that I addressed it, right? When he said, I can't fight and all this. Then you start to put our careers next to each other. And obviously, there is a ocean of difference between me and his career. But this one is centered around money, and this one is centered around. It was very specific. So what I will say is he's thought about this, right? Granted, he yelled at the nih. I didn't want to say all this. Cut it out. Obviously, that's never getting cut when there's a live mic in front of you in that. Nate Diaz, I think, is reacting to what I said about him and Mike Perry's fight and saying that I was excited about it because I know exactly what it is, Right? He said, we pretend to know everything, when in reality we don't. I don't know everything. I don't know everything about fighting. But what my job is to try and educate people who may not be as close to it as I am in terms of what fighting looks like inside the Octagon. We all think that we watch it, and we all think that we know what we're doing, when in reality, there are some details inside of fighting that is just known at a different level. That's it. That's my job. That's my job to do. Nate clearly doesn't like when we do that job. I'm talking me, Dominick Cruz, Michael Bisping, Paul Felder, all these different people. He went on to say, why am I analyzing fights now when I was a champion? Because I didn't make as much money as him. But when you list the people that are analyzing fights, there is one big striking thing that's familiar and is that we were champions, at least for the most part. Michael Bisping, Dominick Cruz. And Daniel Cormier. There's a way to go about getting to that job, to get that position and sit in that chair. Me, I sit on the A team of the ufc. I sit on the pay per views. I sit on the big events. I. I am tasked with a job to help. That's what I do. It's what I love to do. It's not because I didn't make any money. I mean, come on, when you fight for belts as many times as we did, you make your money. But when guys start arguing, and I told Jon Jones this at alf reality, right? When you got two guys that have made millions of dollars and you're arguing about who has a million dollars more than the other, or five or two or three, like you're two people that are doing really good in life, why can't that be happy? I believe that the lowest form of insult is when you have one guy that's doing really well insult the other guy that's doing really well by saying, I've made more money than you. Because at what point, at what point does having money mean you just have money? I mean, seriously. And I made the most money in my biggest fights. I fought Jon Jones and. And that's why I made the most money. Nate Diaz fought Conor McGregor. When Nate Diaz was fighting. When Nate Diaz was fighting, before he fought Conor McGregor, he could not have said, I made more money than anybody. He was making good money. But Conor McGregor, as he has done with many people, elevated Nate Diaz, and that's good for him because he made money. I don't, I don't dislike, I don't wish for one guy to make less money. I don't want fighters to make less. I heard Nate Diaz is making $10 million to fight on this fight card. Yes. To me, that makes me happy. That makes me happy. But again, it's not like I'm sitting over here struggling. I'm doing fine. I'm happy in my life. Now, look, last time I told Nate Diaz that you will not compare us. But let's, let's, let's do that for a second. Let's compare us. Jon Jones, Stipe Miocic. That's it. That's it. Kojiyashi, Hermes Franca, Clay Guida, Joe Stevenson, gray Maynard, Rory McDonald, Benson, Henderson, Josh Thompson, Dosanjos, Conor McGregor, Masvidal, Leon Edwards. That's 13 times. And I'm looking on this, and that's 13 times to 13 people. Did he have any rematches in there? 13 times to 13 people. This is Mine. This is who I lost to. That's who I lost to. 2. 2. 2 people I. In my life, guys. And I'm telling you, for me, it's hard for me to fathom losing to 13 people in the sport that you chose. And when I lost those fights, I was in my mid to late 30s. Mid to late 30s, and two dudes were able to get me. You lost to 13 people. You were losing fights in your 20s. You were in your absolute athletic prime in a sport that you chose, and you got beat multiple times by all these people. Now, hey, I was being respectful. I was being respectful. I was being respectful. I was respectful the first time. I'm respectful of what y' all were doing the last time. But you lost to 13 people in the sport that you chose. That, to me, is crazy. I said yesterday, it's impossible. Somebody corrected me. They said, no, it's not impossible. You can lose that many times. But you go tell Ilya Tori, there are 13 men in the sport that he chooses that could beat him or Islam Makhachev or some of the other fighters around the world. 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See website for details. But you want to talk about me, Mr. Champion? Yeah, I was a champion. I wear that badge proudly. I love that I was a champion. I love that I get to do commentary. This is what I do. I love that Nate Diaz is 40 years old, and he's going to make $10 million to fight, and I am happy for him. When I was 40 years old, that's the fight he was talking about when he said I was picking the guy up, and then I was knocked out. When I was 40 years old, I was in Anaheim fighting for the UFC Heavyweight championship. When I was 41 years old, I was fighting for the UFC championship. That's what I keep telling you guys. That's what I keep telling you, Nathan. We are different people. We're different people. It's kind of surprising that we've never really come across each other. I actually walked through a lobby in the Red Rock Hotel, and Nate Diaz was there sitting there. I didn't talk to him. I actually kind of wish now that I would have stopped and talked to him just to kind of say, hey, what's up, man? Because I don't know. I don't know why the issue started. Maybe it's my friendship with Habib and them, and I will ride with them as long as I can. Forget this dude, if that's the problem. But I should have stopped and said, hey, what's up, man? But I didn't, because I just did. I don't know. I don't know why. I just did. And I said he was fun. I said he worked his way to a title. I like all the talk and the way he is. It's still just not the same. It's just not the same. And then you get these people that kind of support him, and then I love all you guys going, this dude, y'. All. You're crazy. Nate. D.C. and you are different. Hey, come on. I made more money. Well, you made more money in two fights. You fought Conor McGregor. You fought Conor. And also, we don't know what we made. I don't know what he made. I know what I made, and I'm completely happy with what I made. I don't know what Nate Diaz made, but this dude is like. He sits up there and he talks and he talks and he rants. He just kind of loses his mind. Somebody got to check him. At this point, he might need a handler, because guess what? There's a chance he goes and gets beat by Mike Perry. I was there when they had to throw the towel in for Josh Thompson. He said, you cried, Nate. Maybe you should have cried more than maybe we would think you care about winning and losing. Maybe if you cried. Maybe if you cried, Nathan, you wouldn't be so okay with losing. Huh? Huh? Because I Cried because losing to me was like death. That's why I cry. You don't cry. You go to the after party, you go hang out with your friends, you get beat on a Saturday. On Monday, you're talking again like you're the best in the world. Maybe if you cried, we would think that you cared and winning and losing really mattered, because I'm telling you, don't feel like it when it comes to you. Go make your money. Do well for your family, your wife and your children, because there's a side of Nadia that most people don't know. You're a family man. You're not a thug. Go make your money for your family. I'm happy for you. But maybe you should have cried. Or maybe you do what you have to do to make sure you don't have to cry whenever you fight this dude in a couple months. Because guess what? For everything I said about Mike Perry, and Mike Perry must understand what I said, because Mike Perry and I will message each other back and forth, and he respects it. And we're going to do a podcast. Not disrespecting Mike. He's real, though, and he understands. But you up here acting like you mad because somebody talking about how you're average. Reality is, you're average. You've always been, but you've made a lot of money. That's good. But you're average. You can talk all you want now, but it'll never change the fact that you can't go back in time. We can't go back in time and make you better than you were. So you keep punching above your head, right? You punch at Habib. Not the same. Habib should have never paid attention to you. You were never going to get there. You punch at Justin Gaethje. You punch at my man Dustin Poirier. You punching above your head. All these dudes had titles. Let it go. Let it go, guys. I hate when I got to do this. I'm telling you, I hate when I got to do this. And again, I don't dislike Nate Diaz, but that's my real feelings. That's how I feel about Nate. And I would tell Nate the same thing to his face. And guess what? I'm not going to jump around and act like I'm a fight him in the street and have an entourage of people jumping, scream and throw and stuff. I'm not doing all that. But if you ask me what I feel about him in his career, in my face, I will tell him your average, because that's exactly what you were. You won 21 fights, and you lost 13 to a guy like me, that seems impossible. Maybe it's not. But to me, it seems impossible. And I will say that to your face as I say it in front of this YouTube channel. I hate when I gotta do this, guys. I don't like doing it. I don't like doing it. But like my man Dean Thomas said, times they get a little comfortable. And this dude getting way too comfortable. He playing around. Playing around. That's why I've been asking be disrespecting him like that. Because at the end of the day, Ben will tell you the same thing. He's average. But hey, I watch him fight. I will still watch him fight. And if that means he gets more money, more power to you, Nate. But at the end of the day, you have money, I have money. We're both fine. My family's fine, my kids are fine. Your family's fine. Your kids are fine. Be happy. Stop hating. That dude went up there yesterday and just was hating on everybody. Everybody punching above his league. Just punching. I mean, just punching up like this. Punch it to the ceiling. Like, come on, man. 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