The Daniel Cormier Show - DC PREDICTS Francis Ngannou will KNOCK OUT Jake Paul EASILY after Anthony Joshua KO

Summary

The Herd with Colin Cowherd: "The Daniel Cormier Show – DC PREDICTS Francis Ngannou will KNOCK OUT Jake Paul EASILY after Anthony Joshua KO"

Release Date: January 2, 2026
Host: Daniel Cormier (DC)

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Episode Overview

This episode features Daniel Cormier analyzing the aftermath of Jake Paul's brutal knockout loss to Anthony Joshua and discusses the rising speculation (and controversy) around the idea of Jake Paul facing MMA powerhouse Francis Ngannou in a boxing match. Cormier critiques Jake Paul's ambitions, boldly predicts what would happen if Paul fought Ngannou, and examines why simple “MMA math” doesn’t apply in boxing or combat sports in general. The tone is opinionated, direct, and plenty respectful for both combatants, while pulling no punches.

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Detailed Breakdown & Key Points

1. Jake Paul’s Explosive Loss to Anthony Joshua

• Timestamp: 07:47
  Cormier kicks off with the observation that Jake Paul’s fight with Anthony Joshua was a “learning lesson that anyone could have been taught.”
• Quote:

  “Jake Paul just got his head bashed in by Anthony Joshua, right? That was about as big a learning lesson that anyone could have been taught.” (07:47)

• Paul’s jaw was reportedly broken in “multiple places,” leading to weeks with his jaw wired shut.

2. The Psychology of Jake Paul: Boldness and Bravery

• Timestamp: 08:30
  Cormier credits Jake Paul for his relentless boldness, refusing to back down even after such a punishing defeat:
• Quote:

  “You can love him, you can hate him, but he’s brave. And now he’s still trying to fight.” (08:30)

• Cormier contrasts most fighters’ instinct to lobby for a safer fight post-defeat, while Jake “immediately goes back after Francis Ngannou. It’s crazy to me.”

3. Why Would Francis Take the Fight Now?

• Timestamp: 09:30
  Cormier speculates about why Ngannou didn’t take a fight with Jake Paul before but sees a door opening after Joshua’s payday:
  • Joshua reportedly made around $80 million; Ngannou could make “20 or 30 [million], and it’s less dangerous than fighting Tyson Fury or Joshua.”
• Cormier sees the mismatch in size and danger: “For as small as Jake looked against Anthony, he’ll look equally as small against Francis.”

4. MMA Math Doesn’t Add Up

• Timestamp: 11:30
  Cormier discusses “boxing math” (extrapolating performances) and why it falls apart here.
• Quote:

  “He’s doing it by doing MMA or boxing math... There were a lot of differences in that fight, right?”

• Cormier points out Joshua stopped both Francis and Jake with a “real right hand,” so Paul’s suggestion that Francis “has no chin” holds no water.

5. Francis Ngannou’s Dangerous Power

• Timestamp: 12:35 – 13:15
  Cormier is clear: Ngannou will throw every punch with intention to knock out, just like Deontay Wilder.
• He cautions that Francis won’t be able to “carry” Jake Paul for a competitive fight; every punch is dangerous.
• Cormier mentions: “Francis doesn't know how to control and make sure the punches don't put your lights out.”

6. Odds and Realistic Expectations

• Timestamp: 20:09
  Cormier quotes opening betting lines: Ngannou as a -1500 favorite, Jake Paul as a +600 underdog.
• He explains why this makes sense:
  • “He’s Francis Ngannou. … MMA math does not work, and I don’t think it works in boxing either.”

7. Analysis of Jake Paul’s Prospects

• Timestamp: 17:56
  Cormier doubts Paul can hurt Ngannou in any real way.
• Quote:

  “I don’t think he can hurt him. I just don’t know that he can hurt Francis like he thinks he can hurt Francis.”

• Even Anthony Joshua, whose chin was doubted, just shrugged off Jake’s hardest shots.
  • “Jake landed like three massive overhand rights. Anthony Joshua just looked at him and kind of kept pressing him. It’s the same thing that would happen with Francis.” (17:56)

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Most Memorable Quotes

• On Jake Paul’s mindset:

  “You could never question the boldness of Jake Paul. You could never question the toughness of Jake Paul. I question the smarts…” (20:48)

• On comparing Ngannou and Joshua:

  “You telling me that Tyson Fury, he put down, you telling me this kid’s gonna be able to fight Francis Ngannou because he did better against Anthony Joshua? MMA math does not work, and I don’t think it works in boxing either.” (21:40)

• On the reality of the would-be fight:

  “It’s only knockout for Big Frank. He won’t pull punches.” (18:30)

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Segment Timestamps for Key Themes

• Jake Paul’s Loss and Response: 07:47–09:30
• Ngannou Fight Speculation & Payouts: 09:30–11:00
• Why Boxing Math Fails: 11:30–12:30
• Ngannou’s Fighting Style/Risk Factor: 12:35–13:15
• Analyzing Jake Paul’s Chances: 17:56–20:00
• Ngannou vs. Paul Betting Odds: 20:09–20:48
• Cormier’s Parting Thoughts/Listener Call-to-Action: 21:30–22:49

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Tone and Final Thoughts

Daniel Cormier’s style in this episode is frank, passionate, and laced with both admiration and skepticism. He displays respect for Jake Paul’s showmanship and audacity but emphasizes the brutal realities of heavyweight boxing against a monster like Francis Ngannou.

• He stresses that combat sports don’t obey the simple “math” of who lasted longer against which opponent.
• Cormier invites listeners to share their own takes in the comments, ending the show with a call for interaction and a note of respect for both men’s courage.

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Suitable for fans of sports analysis and boxing alike, this episode is a must-listen for anyone curious about the realities of crossover spectacle fights and the risks daring fighters like Jake Paul are willing to take.

Transcript

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1 I don't think he can hurt him. I just don't know that he can hurt Francis like he thinks he can hurt Francis. Many people thought Anthony Joshua had no chin because of what Andy Ruiz did to him. Turns out he's got a decent chin. He's got a pretty good chin. And Andy Ruiz just hits hard. He's a real boxing heavyweight. Jake landed like three massive overhand rights. Anthony Joshua just looked at him and kind of kept pressing him. It's the same thing that would happen with Francis. Ganu keeps calling Francis out. And in reality, if people thought there was a world where Anthony could carry him into the later rounds to make it look more competitive, Francis isn't experienced enough to do that. So every throw, every punch will be thrown with the intent to Knock you out. It's like Deontay Wilder. It's why I didn't want Francis to fight Deontay Wilder because Deontay Walter does not have that control to carry you. People say Connor may have carried floor. Sorry, Floyd may have carried Conor Floyd has that ability. He's that good a boxer. He's clean, he's technical, he can fight you in multiple ways. But when you get to these certain guys, they can't because all they know is one thing. That's the danger in the Jake Paul Fred Sangannou fight. It's only knockout for Big Frank. He won't pull punches. Tyson Fury may not have taken Francis as serious as he should have and that's why he got hit in the way that he got hit and dropped in the way that he got dropped. Francis don't know Jake. Francis doesn't know how to control and make sure the punches don't put your lights out. But this whole idea that I lasted longer than Francis and Ganu, it was. Francis could have ran right. Francis could have moved around the ring very well, by the way, which was a massive ring. The ring was as big as any ring I've ever seen in my life. He could have ran around the ring too. What Jake said was Louise. What Jake said it was, I did better than Francis because I got knocked out in the sixth round.

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[Brad Palumbo]

As opposed to. This is the great. I got one more. I got one more for you. Francis is a 1500 favorite against Jake Paul early on and Jake is a plus 600. Of course he is because he's Francis Ngannou. He's Francis Ngannou. This is the craziest. Thought I did better. The I did better argument, guys, does not work. It just doesn't. It was a massive ring and he was on his bicycle. And listen, if you could do that for 12 rounds, sure. But eventually get tired because there's nothing worse than running backwards. There's nothing worse than getting backed up with someone putting pressure on you. It's the worst. But minus 1500 for Francis, plus 600 for Jake seems about right now. Could never question the boldness of Jake Paul. You could never question the toughness of Jake Paul. I question the smarts because the money will always come because now he's done that to a point that people will always respect what he is doing. But that long lasting damage that doesn't fade away with time. And I don't know that Jake Paul needs that. He's a big enough star to where I don't think he needs to keep going in there with real heavyweights getting knocked out by these guys because Anthony Joshua was big and when he looked at him, he looked at his chest. That is exactly what he would look at if he fought Francis Ngannou. Guys, I. I think he needs to reconsider. And this is from a person that at one point had an issue with Jake Paul. Today, that's water under the bridge. I actually got more respect for Jake Paul than I ever thought I could because of what he's doing. But in those comments, let me know what y' all think. Should Jake Paul fight Francis and if he does, what's the expectation or what's the expected outcome when you guys think of it? Because, hey, Jarzinho, Alistair, Overeem, Steepe, Miocic, all the greatest mixed martial arts heavyweights Francis knocked out. Telling me that Tyson Fury, he put down you, telling me that this kid's gonna be able to fight Francis Ngano because he did better against Anthony Joshua. MMA math does not work, and I don't think it works in boxing either. So my work in football, basketball, all those other things where you don't have to punch each other, but I don't think it works in combat sports. Let me know in the comments what you think. Happy New Year, guys. I appreciate you. I will see you in 2026.

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Effy hi, I'm Radhi Devlukia and I am the host of a really Good Cry podcast. This week I am joined by Anna Runkle, also known as the Crappy Childhood Fairy, a creator, teacher and guide helping people heal from the lasting emotional wounds of unsafe or chaotic childhoods.

[Anna Runkle]

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[Anna Runkle]

There are people out there that absolutely know what happened.

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