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The Draymond Green Show w/Baron Davis: Dray & Baron on Warriors-Rockets CONTROVERSIAL NBA Cup finish, facing Luka & Kyrie, Dybantsa to BYU
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Doug Gottlieb
This is Doug Gottlieb from All Ball with Doug Gottlieb. Listen, I'm gonna get serious for a minute and talk about something personal. The hate in our country is getting out of control. In fact, it's at an all time high and people are facing just too much hate. A lot of people don't think it's a problem. I can tell you. I've experienced it firsthand, you know, living outside of the country in Russia, when my teammates found out I was Jewish and at the time, granted this is 25 years ago, I couldn't get into the country of Dubai. They just treated me differently. I knew what they were saying in Russian because I could speak it, but they didn't know I understood that they were talking behind my back. Look, there's lots of examples of it, but it's going to take all of us to stop this sort of hate because we're all on the same team in this country. So let's take a break from our hate so our team can regroup and regain our momentum. We need to take a time out against hate. Visit standuptolhate.org to help and join me in calling for time out against hate by following the at what's up with hate? Or posting the blue square emoji. Standuptolhate.org that's the place to go if you wanna help.
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Justin Jefferson
What's poppin Justin Jefferson here?
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Draymond Green
Football is a lot of explosions, a lot of energy and attitude.
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Justin Jefferson
It's a whole different vibe with these open earbuds.
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Draymond Green
It's like you're in the moment, but.
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Justin Jefferson
Also you can hear everything around you. You can be involved.
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Draymond Green
To have good sound and to be so light on your ear means a lot to me, putting that music into my ears.
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Justin Jefferson
You feel good enough to go out there.
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Draymond Green
If you turn on that switch, no one can stop you.
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Justin Jefferson
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Draymond Green
Week the Denver Broncos visit the Los.
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Justin Jefferson
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Draymond Green
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Justin Jefferson
See Amazon.com amazonprime for details.
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Savannah Guthrie
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Doug Gottlieb
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Savannah Guthrie
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Draymond Green
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Savannah Guthrie
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Draymond Green
What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond Green show with my dog, bd. What?
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Justin Jefferson
What's up, big dog? Follow the show on all social media platform. That's Draymond Green show, so you don't miss out on our special show announcements. Now, let's get right into it. The NBA cup versus the Rockets was a tough loss. I know, I know. I've been there before. Boy, you got it.
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Draymond Green
I tell you, I Know, you gotta.
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Justin Jefferson
Walk us through, man. It was like a rough five, three, two, man.
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Draymond Green
Listen, I, you know, been in the league now 13 years. All games are not created equal, as you know, bd. Some games you're going to get up for more than others. Some games you're just not going to be able to find the juice over the course of an 82 game season. Some games you ain't going to be able to hit a shot. Some games the rim going to be wide as the Pacific Ocean. That's just the nature of what we do. Because of that nature and doing it for 13 years, I don't get too high or too low on winning and losing a game, especially in December, but this game in particular, and I don't know why, and I think maybe it's the opportunity to play for something, you know, like just having the opportunity to compete for something is always special for me. And I have not been as hurt as I was losing that or am losing that game since 2016. Game setter.
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Justin Jefferson
Because I know what that feel, I know what that means.
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Draymond Green
If you think about it, in 2016, game seven, I got suspended. You got suspended from game five of the NBA, which changed the series. Like, it completely changed the series, Right? Like, all right, so that's 2016 crushed. Because I know that we supposed to win this series. Like, it just felt like at the end of it, it just felt like something got taken away. Like, like, damn. Like they. They took away what was ours. And so in 2016, I felt that way. In 2019, game six, Klay Terraces, ACL, game five, KD Terraces, Achilles. Ain't really much you can do. Right? Like, you lose that series.
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Justin Jefferson
Yeah. Deplete.
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Draymond Green
And you fight like, you move on. Like, it's unfortunate. Just had a bad go at it, you know, like, cool. You move on from that one, right? 2020, KD left. Steph's out with a broken hand. Clays out with, you know, his ACL. Yeah. In 2021, we build him back, right? Then we won the championship in 2022, 2023, we lose to the Lakers. We just weren't good enough, right? So, like, when you look at these years, or call it since 2015 and the run that we've been on, the only time where I really felt like, dang, they just took what was ours was 2016, of where, like, factors were what they were and we should have won. That's the only time I felt like, wow, something got taken from us. I haven't felt like that since then. The last time I had that feeling as a whole, was when our home got broken into back in 2022, and you just felt kind of, like, violated, like, wow. Like, somebody took something away from us, like, that was ours. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's the last time I really, really, really felt like that. Then you fast forward to two nights ago, and it's like, wow, this is our game. Like, and we're competing for something. And then it just got taken away. For me, that was one that was like. It was a gut punch, man. Like, I. I was up to holding.
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Justin Jefferson
Knock the wind out of y'all.
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Draymond Green
I couldn't really sleep after. You know what I'm saying? Like, sleep was jacked up after. Like, it just. It just wasn't going.
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Justin Jefferson
Like, it was bothering me, bro. It was bothering me, and I wasn't even playing. Just like, you just keep thinking, like, damn, if you just. If this.
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Draymond Green
This happened, if that, like, you know what I'm saying? Or, you know, I'm going back. I'm looking at every play like, man, if I get to stop here, if I don't go for the pump fake there and give him two free throws, we was up 7, we get to stop there now, we possibly go up nine or 10, right? And so you start, like, recounting every single play, like, and just going back, like, dang, man, if literally, if one play was different, if we get one more stop or one more bucket, like, that game is over, right? And so you just start going back on all those plays or one good.
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Justin Jefferson
Possession or one, two good possessions, you may not even score, but just great possessions and keep you in flow on defense and offense.
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Draymond Green
The game's over. And so I'm going through this whole thing, bro, and I'm just like, the whole night, I'm like, you know, back and forth. Like, golly, man, like, how did this game get away from us? And, bro, I'm still salty about it.
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Justin Jefferson
Like, yeah, but it's crazy. Shout out to, I gotta get a rock. Cause I told you, that's my surprise team. They just. That on one end, it's like you as a young team on the road, you need every single little thing to happen to have an opportunity to go your way. And I thought they never stopped playing. You know what I mean? They didn't never stop playing hard. And then it was just the ball start just like, they just started getting favored.
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Draymond Green
Yeah, yeah.
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Justin Jefferson
It was like this magical favor. I do not. Like, when the game ends on a call that should never determine the outcome.
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Draymond Green
Of the game, yes.
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Justin Jefferson
Now, as you know, I told you, I was Draymond Green before Draymond Green with the referees. And so I only talked to the referees. You know what I mean? Friends in the first quarter, second quarter.
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Draymond Green
Frenemies in the third quarter, and independent.
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Justin Jefferson
If we win and they're losing, what I say to you at the end of the game, you know, but like, to be in. In that situation, the ref doubled downs on this two minute report and said it was a loose ball foul, was the correct call. I personally think that he should have just shut the fuck up, called a jump ball, anything but a foul, right? Like, this happened to us, and this happened to us during the we believe year. We were playing against Washington, I was not playing, but Al Harrington fouled Gilbert Arenas. Darry call a foul with like three on the clock, and he was driving. Those moments when, you know, it's like, damn, we got gut punch. Everything got away. You can blame something on one, but it's really like, if we do, it never happen again. That's what I feel like. And, you know, it's like, you need that moment in the season where you're like, you know what? We're never losing like this again.
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Draymond Green
You know what I mean?
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Justin Jefferson
Like, attention to detail, sharpness. And then that's also like, all right, I can't get fined for talking about the ref, you know, talk about it. But I know what you mean, that gut punch. Because it's like everything y'all could have done just one thing, the way you usually do things, things, everything they needed to go right for them, wrong for you, wrong for you, happened in their favor. And then for sure, 100%, you know what I mean? Like, here, give me this. This doesn't belong to you.
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Draymond Green
You know, I've been on the right side of a lot of great things in this league, you know, when it comes to winning and losing. And so when they. When it's in your favor, you can't be the guy that's like, oh, man, we had the favor and, like, we won. And then when it goes against you, you be the one that's like, oh, I'm gonna blame everything. Now, obviously, I disagree with the call. I think, you know, when I look at the whole thing shake out from the vantage point I had, I see GP Dive on the ball. I see Fred Van Vliet dive on GP Back.
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Justin Jefferson
Oh, man, crazy.
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Draymond Green
Directly on his back. So I'm looking at it like, oh, okay. Like, wow, they ain't calling. All right, keep playing. You know what I'M saying, like, and then to see that call after what just happened with GP having the ball, and to also see two other referees come in, like, jump ball, you know what I'm saying? And then one referee come in with a foul. It's like, whoa. That's like, crazy. Like, are you serious? We're really doing this? And, like, you know, and so I was just taken back by the foul. You got a guy on his back 80ft from the rim, and, like, we call a foul and give two free throws with that amount of time left.
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Justin Jefferson
Yeah, that ain't the way, bro.
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Draymond Green
No. And I thought that was crazy. Nonetheless, calls go the wrong way all the time. It's on us as players to not put ourselves in that position to where that call can affect the outcome of the game. And so when I look at all the things that went wrong, you know, we go underneath of Fred Van Vliet, you know, just coming in off an inbound, and he hit the three, right? That cuts it from six to three. Those are mistakes that we can't have, you know what I'm saying? I get to stop on Shingle. I need to get that rebound. I knock it off a step head and go out of bounds. They get, you know, they. They get another possession, you know, and so there were. There were plays, you know, little things, man.
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Justin Jefferson
It's just little, you know, kind of little errors, like, 100% errors. You know what I'm saying?
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Draymond Green
Sure. You know, JK slipping off of Steph, me throwing the ball, him not catching the ball right. Bad. You know, I had too much steam on the pass, so I can throw a better pass. And then my thing is, JK is. And to the young guys, there's a different level of physicality at that game. At that in the game. At that point, if he grabbing your arm right there on that catch, like, you gotta rip your arm away. They ain't calling that foul. Yeah, you can't expect with a minute left in the game, you know, so it's things like that, that when I look at all of those things, we could have done better. I know everybody made a lot about the Steph shot. With 12 on the game clock, nine on the shot clock. I actually like the shot. Number one is Steph. Get into his left, step back, which is step shot. That's the night. Night. Like, that's what it is. Like, that's where the night comes from.
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Justin Jefferson
Yep.
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Draymond Green
Everybody's like, oh, man, he shot the ball too soon. And I say, yeah. Like, in an ideal world, do you Want to run a little more clock? Yes. But we got six shot clock possessions in this game. Like, so you take the first good look, you can get in that situation again. He hit that shot, we going for it, that game over. You know, we can always look back and be like, yo, like, maybe he took this early or we could like, yeah, that's all right. Cool. But again, he got an incredible look. Like, incredible look. I'm living with it 10 times out of 10. And like I said, we had had six shot clock violations, violations. Taking that great look with the clock running down like that. I ain't mad at that at all. So I just think, like I said, I'm, you know, a little upsetting for the game to end on two free throws like that with a play like that, nobody in scoring position with all the things leading up to it. Upsetting. But you gotta make the plays down the stretch. And give the Houston Rockets credit, they made the plays down the stretch and we didn't. A little heartbreak, man. That was a gut punch for sure. That's the first time that organization has been able to deliver a gut punch like that to me in my career. So that's new territory, newfound territory.
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Justin Jefferson
You know, as the flag football coach, the ref took one away from me in the championship game. You feel what I'm saying? I know how you feel about refs, and I like to apologize to all refs out there for my behavior at black football. But I was right. And my son did catch the game winning touchdown and the ref said that the ball was out. So I screenshot the ref and texted him about 30 times until he approved that he made a mistake. And so if we need to bring him on the show, just so people in the flag football league don't think I'm petty. I just know we won. You know what I mean? It's not about winning or losing. It's just when you know, hey, somebody made a mistake. It wasn't my fault. You know what I mean? Somebody did something great. Somebody made a mistake.
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Draymond Green
Facts.
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Justin Jefferson
Winners and losers, right? But the facts. The facts is, hey, you can have the trophy.
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Draymond Green
We won that game.
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Justin Jefferson
Cause he made a mistake.
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Draymond Green
So I get it.
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Justin Jefferson
Refs, come on, man. Get your mind right. Referees, man. I need to, you know, I need to. I think they got even softer since Richard Jefferson. They let Richard Jefferson become a referee. He was probably in the locker room just telling everybody stuff. Come on, rj, get up off that.
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Draymond Green
That is a fact, rj.
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Justin Jefferson
Yeah, but seriously, you know, like, in a situation like this, you Said gut punch. Right. And so really, how do you, you know, how do you grow from this?
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Draymond Green
Again, I think that's just something that for us as a team, here's the thing. And again, I 100% disagree with that call being made at that time. But here's the thing, we've lost games like this already. So it ain't like this is the first time. And like, no, we, we've put ourselves in these positions where we've allowed games to be taken away from us at the end of the games and having big leads in the fourth quarter, this has become a thing for this team. So we have to fix that. Like, yeah, we can sit and complain about the refs and like everybody in the world saw what the same thing we saw. Like, I don't sit need to sit and harp on that. We have to figure out what it is that's putting us in these situations that's cost us now maybe four games already this year. Four or five games. What is it that is putting us in these situations and how to fix that? That's the way this team grows. We ain't going to grow by worrying about, oh man, that call was wrong at the end of the game. Yeah, whatever. What are you doing to put yourself in a position to where that call can affect the game?
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Justin Jefferson
Right.
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Draymond Green
Is what our look need to be and that's what needs to be fixed with us. You can't sit and worry about what call was made.
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Justin Jefferson
Yeah.
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Draymond Green
What can you do to avoid that? It's our job and that's how we got to move going forward.
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Justin Jefferson
Attention to detail. That's it is 1000%.
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Doug Gottlieb
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Savannah Guthrie
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Doug Gottlieb
Is Doug Godley from All Ball with Doug Godley. Hey, I'm going to talk to you about something that's really serious for a minute. Something personal right now. In our country, hate feels like it's at an all time high and we're going backwards. And the hate is winning. It's out of control. So many different people, so many different groups are facing too much hate. And it's just enough. We need to stop and regroup, change the momentum as a team, because that's what we are. Everyone in this country is on the same team, so let's act like it. And when a team can't get together, what do they do? They call a timeout. We need to take a timeout against hate. So let's think about what we say and do. And when we see hate and we see someone doing or saying those things we know are wrong or hateful, we need to call it out. Visit standuptoallhate.org or join me in calling for the timeout against hate by following at whatsupwithhate or posting the blue square emoji.
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John Mittelkoff
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Savannah Guthrie
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Justin Jefferson
You know the NBA Cup. Now we looking at, you know, Milwaukee, Atlanta, OKC versus the Rockets. You got any thoughts? Any care? Are you gonna watch I think.
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Draymond Green
I don't know if I'll be able watch, man.
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Justin Jefferson
I. I'm.
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Draymond Green
I'm. I'm. I'm hurt, brother.
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Justin Jefferson
I can't understand it.
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Draymond Green
You watch somebody just take $500 away from you.
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Justin Jefferson
Yeah, bro, that cup means. So we just talked about how hype it is. You know, how, like, a second life of energy, especially in the first half of the season. So I wouldn't watch either, man. I'd be.
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Draymond Green
Yeah, I don't know if I could watch, bro. Like, I'm a little salty. I really don't know if I'm in the right mental space to watch that.
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Justin Jefferson
It's okay.
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Draymond Green
You watch somebody take a trophy away. You watch somebody take a $500,000 away. That ain't no. Ain't no easy thing. Just watching. Continue on like, oh, man, this is exciting.
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Justin Jefferson
Yeah, let me root for somebody else. Well, I tell you who I'm rooting for. I'm rooting for Houston. I do like. Okay, okay. See, I think that'll be a good one. And then. Looky, looky, Guess who's in the semi in the semifinals.
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Draymond Green
They need to bring you in as a mascot, bro. Come on, bro. You gotta bring a mascot, A consultant. Come on, man. The Coach Caller Audi. They gotta bring you in as something, man.
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Justin Jefferson
You gotta call me the Coach Whisperer or something, man. I told Doc, I said, hey, man, you gotta let the wildebeest roam. You know what I mean? You got to let your Giants be Giants and Milwaukee Bucks turn, you know, turning it around.
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Draymond Green
Yes, they are. They have. They have.
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Justin Jefferson
I mean, I think it's a testament to ride with your dogs.
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Draymond Green
Yes, sir.
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Justin Jefferson
You know what I'm saying?
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Draymond Green
Yes, sir. You gotta put trust in those guys. Let them be great at what they're great at. The reason they are who they are is because of what they're great at. And I think, you know, you're watching, you know, as they've been. I wouldn't necessarily call it a winning streak. Cause I'm not sure exactly what the streak is together, but they've been winning games, and if you look or watching, it's because Dame's playing good and Giannis is playing good, and, you know, everybody else is now filling in and doing their roles, but those two guys are being the stars that they are, and it's changed the season around completely for Milwaukee. And here they are in the Final Four with a chance against the Hawks, who most people thought wouldn't even be there, you know, with a chance to move on to the NBA cup finals. So gotta get them a lot of credit. Gotta give Doc a lot of credit for riding the ship. D Ham over there on the bench, you know, 12.
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Justin Jefferson
Zero in the NBA, in NBA Cup.
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Draymond Green
He like coming out de ham rolling in the NBA cup. Which takes. Which takes me back to last year. What I was saying, if I'm a college, I want Darvin Ham in these one and done situations. Because the adjustments that he's shown in these NBA Cups from game to game, man, you come to those adjustments, come with those adjustments in the college.
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Justin Jefferson
Yeah, that's gonna be crazy.
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Draymond Green
You win this tournament easy, you wanna see Bill Ban just went back to college, man, Bringing Darvin Hand as a head coach of one of these top programs, I guarantee you, you're gonna be out. You're gonna have extreme success.
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Justin Jefferson
You gonna be for sure, for sure, for sure.
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Draymond Green
Shout out to Chuck. Oh, Chuck Barkley, guarantee it. Put Darvin Ham in a college, one of these top colleges in the head coaching seat, and watch what happens, I'm telling you.
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Justin Jefferson
And then you know what I do like Atlanta, I start watching more of them. And they remind me a lot of y'all in the East. They're just a bad matchup for everybody. They play. They play small. You got the boy Jalen Johnson playing Mike Spitter, point, point forward, point guard. You got Trae Young, who's just impossible to guard. But I think all the other kids, they fit in. Even the rookie. I think the rookie is finding his way.
- [30:19]
Draymond Green
He's finding his way for sure. And they're not asking him to do much, you know, they're asking him to average 11 points a game. Dyson Daniels has stepped up in a major way. Like, he averaging, like 16 points a game, maybe three and a half steals a game, five rebounds a game, three assists a game. Like Dyson Daniels is really stepping up. And then I'm gonna tell you the play of who. Who's taking that team, I won't necessarily say to the next level because they got a lot of groin to do. But who's made this team as dangerous as they've been this early in the season is the play of DeAndre Hunter. DeAndre Hunter, come in, lottery pick. You know, you kind of see glimpses and, you know, not all the time. Now you're not starting to see glimpses. Now you're starting to see him grow into the player that everybody thought DeAndre Hunter can be coming out Virginia, and he's starting to take that next step and become a consistent guy every night, shooting the piss out the ball. And so Trae Young is doing what Trae Young does, which is always to be expected. But I think who's really changed that team, made that team dangerous is the emergence of DeAndre Hunter becoming the guy that everyone thought he could be coming out of regime, bro.
- [31:31]
Justin Jefferson
I was watching the game and he was calling for the ball, get into a spot, hitting the shot, and then turn around, back court, back down the court, talking shit. I was like, oh, this is a different dude.
- [31:45]
Draymond Green
Absolutely.
- [31:45]
Justin Jefferson
It's a different level of confidence. What is he in his third year now?
- [31:49]
Draymond Green
He may be in year four or five.
- [31:52]
Justin Jefferson
Damn. For real?
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Draymond Green
Yeah. Time be flying.
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Justin Jefferson
Time be flying, dude. He was like that versatile kind of glue. That's what they needed if you get him rocking, you know? And then they got versatile guys who are skilled, they can make plays, which makes Trey Young so much more important. And it's almost like you can forget about Trey Young if they play good. And that's the last thing you want to do. You know what I mean? He take a lot of attention when them dudes start hooping. You gotta pick your poison. You know what I mean?
- [32:28]
Draymond Green
That's a fact. That's a fact. And speaking of Trae Young, Trae Young does it to the Knicks again.
- [32:34]
Justin Jefferson
Come on, dude. That's crazy.
- [32:36]
Draymond Green
Trey Young owns the New York Knicks, man. He owns the New York Knicks. And that man went and kneeled down in the prison polls and gave him the ceelo and started shooting dice in the middle of the court on the low call. This man is a menace. He must be stopped. This man is a menace in New York City. He keeps doing it to the Knicks, man. Wow. Trae Young.
- [33:07]
Justin Jefferson
Hey, bro.
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Draymond Green
Wow.
- [33:08]
Justin Jefferson
They would have to have a gofundme. I'm sorry, Trae Young, but if I was playing, New York would have had a gofundme. Cause I'd have kicked him dice. I'd have kicked him dice and kicked him, man.
- [33:22]
Draymond Green
Come on, New York.
- [33:23]
Justin Jefferson
You gotta stop letting. Hey, dog. He is really a Nick Killer.
- [33:27]
Draymond Green
He is. Hey, but here's the thing, though, BD the exact reason he is the New York Killer is the Nick Killer is the same reason why he feel comfortable rolling dice on their logo and knowing nothing ain't going to happen to him. Like, they don't have anybody on their team that's going to say, oh, no. He like, we ain't rocking with that. They don't have nobody on their team that's going to do that. And that is one of the big problems with the New York Knicks, it's like, all right, when it comes down to it, who's that guy that's going to stop him from doing with all these shenanigans and put it into it? Who's that guy for them? They don't have that. And I think that's always one of the issues gonna be with these current Knicks. That's one issue.
- [34:16]
Justin Jefferson
Yeah. Getting over there, man. Come on, man. Ain't nobody about to be shooting dice.
- [34:21]
Draymond Green
Shooting dice, bro? I came over here, I'm taking y'all money. What? I'm taking y'all money. I'm going to Vegas. I'm shooting dice on y'all logo, and I'm out of here. I'm headed to Vegas. That's crazy.
- [34:36]
Justin Jefferson
Ice Cold got antics. I'm with it.
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Draymond Green
I love it. I love it. And when you own. When you own a franchise the way he's owned them over the last few years.
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Justin Jefferson
Yeah.
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Draymond Green
Ain't nothing they can do.
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Justin Jefferson
And they hate him so much. You know what I mean?
- [34:50]
Draymond Green
Absolutely.
- [34:50]
Justin Jefferson
Like that villain.
- [34:52]
Draymond Green
Absolutely.
- [34:52]
Justin Jefferson
Nick, y'all should have just signed me for that game. So. Might have broke that dice game up with a quickness, you know.
- [35:04]
Draymond Green
You got to come off that money.
- [35:05]
Justin Jefferson
Hey, bro, I'd have sat there on my knee, too.
- [35:08]
Draymond Green
Right in front of him. Come off that chicken, bro. Asap.
- [35:16]
Justin Jefferson
Shout out to Ice Cube, man.
- [35:19]
Draymond Green
Absolutely.
- [35:20]
Justin Jefferson
Yo, before we get to this next game and your next opponent, you do gotta tell me what's up with the refs. After they heard your comments from the fans, what was that reaction?
- [35:31]
Draymond Green
Oh, man, I don't even know if the ref end up doing anything, but it's crazy, because it was at a part in the game where I couldn't really entertain him because I was locked into the game. But I heard him, and I was real close to walking over there and scaring the shit out of him. I seen what he was gonna, and I was headed over there. But I'm like, you gotta stay locked in. Like, you can't do it right now. It's wild. And I've said it. I've said it for years, bro. Like, the NBA kind of empower these fans to say what it is they want to say. Because I know as a fan that if, for instance, this guy calls me the B word, which, again, I was like. I told him right in that moment, I'll slap the shit out of you, man.
- [36:10]
Justin Jefferson
As you should.
- [36:12]
Draymond Green
I very much so will slap the shit out of him. But just to feel the comfort to say that, like, yeah, I'm telling you, if it's any other part in the game and not any meaningful game, the game would have stopped and I would have got on it. That's. That's what really would have happened.
- [36:30]
Justin Jefferson
If you had a pizza shop, a coffee shop, any other place, you ain't gonna say that.
- [36:36]
Draymond Green
Not at all. Because you know what comes with that. You know, you got to back that up. And you wouldn't be sitting in that seat if you was willing to back that up. We not going to even go there. But like I said, the NBA empowers these losers to say what they want. Because they know that if I say this and he say something back, he going to get fined 25 grand. Just like, I'm not sure if I'm going to still get fined from it or not, but I really can care less because it's very clear. Like, you hear the disrespect. Everyone in the world hears the disrespect. And if you think I'm just gonna be like, oh, that ain't never gonna happen. So it is what it is. But stop empowering these losers. And if they know they can get their ass kicked, they won't say that.
- [37:19]
Justin Jefferson
Yeah, they need to get their ass kicked out of the game. Cause it mess everything up for the fans. Like, I like the fans who boo and hate and talk shit. But the ones who cross the line and know they crossing the line, you fucking up the game.
- [37:35]
Draymond Green
Absolutely.
- [37:36]
Justin Jefferson
Like, you come in there with a whole agenda. You know what I mean? Like, I remember when I was in. When we played in the playoffs in Utah, and it was this little white girl, and she was behind the basket, she had to be like 8, 9, maybe 10 years old. And she was going, baron Davis school. Hey, Don. The whole game.
- [38:04]
Draymond Green
That's crazy.
- [38:05]
Justin Jefferson
Every time I saw. Every time I saw the free throw, I saw this little girl underneath the basket going, baron Davis, fuck you.
- [38:16]
Draymond Green
Fuck you.
- [38:17]
Justin Jefferson
And I didn't hear nobody else, but I can hear what she was saying. So I wasn't really tripping. But that kind of threw me off. Like, damn, dude, this little girl really hate me.
- [38:30]
Draymond Green
It's crazy because it throw you off.
- [38:32]
Justin Jefferson
They came to the game, they was in the car like, all right, you gonna sit here and you gonna say f you to Baron Davis the whole night. And then I work the other side.
- [38:43]
Draymond Green
Imagine teaching your kid to be a heckler. Imagine teaching your kid to show up to someone else job to be a heckler. Man, you teaching your kid to be a loser from the beginning.
- [38:56]
Justin Jefferson
Oh, man. Shout out. Speaking of that shout out to my dog, mad Moves. Rest in peace. He was one of my trainers. He was a professional hacker. Go to college stores and heckle people. And I was like, bro, why would you tell me something like that?
- [39:16]
Draymond Green
That's hilarious.
- [39:18]
Justin Jefferson
So there's people like that out here, man, that's like, you know what? This is a profession.
- [39:23]
Draymond Green
It is. But let them learn that as they grow. Don't teach your 9 year old that that's what it gotta be for you. Just because that's what it is for you as a parent. Don't teach your nine.
- [39:33]
Justin Jefferson
Keep it peace.
- [39:34]
Draymond Green
Don't teach your nine year old to be a heckler, AKA a loser. Oh, man.
- [39:40]
Justin Jefferson
Next up is the Dallas Mavericks. The last time y'all played, that was out of the game. They got one of the most incredible backcourts in the NBA. Talk about, you know, Dallas, the way they playing. But most importantly, when you going up against the dynamic of a Luka and.
- [39:57]
Draymond Green
Kyrie and what that means, they're playing really well. Obviously they had Luka go through an injury earlier in the season. They actually started finding a rhythm with Luka out, and then Luka came back and they continued to trend in the right direction. You know, when you have Luka and Kyrie on the court there, there's just problems that come with that. You got two guys that can get a bucket anytime they want, that's going to draw so much attention and open up other guys, you know, that it makes that team, you know, a very difficult team to guard. You see, like OKC the other day was like, we're not letting Luca beating us. We're going to make everybody else beat us. And they had some success with it. Ultimately, when you're facing guys like that, that's kind of decision you usually have to make. Are we going to make Luka and Kyrie beat us or are we going to do all we can to take those two guys out and make everybody else beat us? And that's kind of what it boils down to. Everybody have their theory. I don't think one theory is right or wrong. I think, you know, you put that theory in place and then who's the guys that's going to go out there, compete and execute it? You know, when you're guarding a Luka, I don't think people ever realize how big luka is. He's 6, 8 and he can see over everybody. Got an extremely great passer. You can't just guard him to stop him from scoring. You also have to guard him to try to take away his passing angles as well. And it's just a tough thing to do, right? Like, you don't want to overreact on his drive to the rim, because once he. If you overreact and he step back, he says, hey, you can't contest the shot. But yet if you stay even with him, he just gonna keep going to keep you on his hip and he can finish because he has such great size. So Luka's always a tough guard when guarding him. And then I always just talk about Kyrie and guarding Kyrie. Like, I always speak about it more so from the help position. Like, when you're helping on Kyrie, you gotta help so early because he's so dangerous at every scoring position on the basketball court, whether it's at every level. Kyrie is extremely dangerous at every scoring level on the basketball court. You kind of have to be over. More over aggressive on your help with Kyrie because he can score from anywhere, whereas most guys you like, yo, we don't need to get the aggressive till he get here. But Kyrie is everywhere on the court because he is an elite scorer at every level on the basketball court.
- [42:19]
Justin Jefferson
No offensive deficiency.
- [42:20]
Draymond Green
Zero.
- [42:21]
Justin Jefferson
Neither one of them. That's rare.
- [42:23]
Draymond Green
Yo, as crazy as this sound, bd, Luka probably has more offensive deficiency than Kyrie. And that's crazy to say because Luka is one of the most skilled, one of the best players we've ever seen. But, like, Luka doesn't catch and shoot as well as Kyrie. Catches and shoots, right? Like Luca shoot the piss out the ball. We all know that. But he doesn't catch and shoot as well as Kyrie. Catch and shoot. Kyrie literally does not have a deficiency on offensive end. It's crazy, man.
- [42:52]
Justin Jefferson
Also, what do you think about the potential of AJ The Bonsa? I like him. And then he going to byu.
- [43:01]
Draymond Green
Crazy, man.
- [43:02]
Justin Jefferson
BYU got the number one player in this class.
- [43:07]
Draymond Green
Welcome to the Nil.
- [43:10]
Justin Jefferson
Welcome to the Nil.
- [43:11]
Draymond Green
Welcome to the Nil. Where BYU can get a kid like AJ Debonster to come there for a year. Because he'll be there for a year. There's reports that he's been paid somewhere around the $7 million mark.
- [43:26]
Justin Jefferson
Seven M's, y'all. Listen, wow.
- [43:28]
Draymond Green
More power to him, college bro.
- [43:31]
Justin Jefferson
If I can get players. Seven million, man. Let me go do some recruiting.
- [43:35]
Draymond Green
Listen, $7 million to go to BYU is insane. What is viewed as success, though? Like, Right, that's what I'm saying. What's the marker for success? Like, so you pay him $7 million, essentially, for six months to go to the tournament, which, by the way, shout out to AJ Brother, you just made the biggest bag you're gonna make in your life per second and per hour. Because to get $7 million for about five months of work, it's absolutely insane. Now, granted, this kid is gonna have, like, with the potential that he has, he'll have incredible earning potential. But $7 million to go to a college campus for five months and not even have to win. Like, they don't have to. I don't know what success is viewed as for them.
- [44:25]
Justin Jefferson
What are the measurements, But I know.
- [44:27]
Draymond Green
It'S not win a championship. And so to go somewhere and, like, get $7 million or whatever it is around that and not have to win a championship, that brother hit a lick, man. Shout out to the young fella, you know. You know, he doing big things. I've heard a lot about him. I've heard, you know, just. He plays winning basketball, which I love, and so shout out to the young fella, get your bat.
- [44:52]
Justin Jefferson
Yeah, I heard he's good. He's humble. You know, he's presentable. You know, Coach Jason Crow said when they played Inglewood, you know, he thanked him for the opportunity. You know what I mean? He knows the players, know who people are. So it's like, man, you want to get. You want to get the money to somebody that's going to be responsible. And this kid is definitely going to be responsible for his talents and what he bring and that energy he bring every day.
- [45:19]
Draymond Green
Absolutely. I think when you look at the makeup of how he's going about his business and all the things that you just said, which I've been hearing as well about him, he looks to be on a LeBron James, like, path where he got things in place around him where they have a system. They're not stepping outside of that system. And he's building himself up. They're building him up to be the face of a lot of things. And just knowing how to carry himself, being the number one guy for the last two years and carrying that with so much grace, like LeBron James, I think is something that I admire. So shout out to the young fella. Keep doing your thing.
- [45:59]
Justin Jefferson
Shout out to AJ it's super dope.
- [46:02]
Draymond Green
To see and refreshing to hear about that type of professionalism and a young guy who's coming in and saying, no, I'm gonna take on all that. So. So oftentimes now, you got these young guys wanting to challenge the system, you know what I'm saying? Wanting to challenge. I can do this my way and do this this way.
- [46:19]
Justin Jefferson
I want to be cool.
- [46:20]
Draymond Green
You know, I was just about to say like that cool shit, like I, I need to be this way. I like. Nah, man, stuff sells and it looks a certain way, period. And doing it your cool ass way ain't worked for nobody. It ain't gonna work for you. So it's good to see a young fellow like this, but kind of with that old school mentality of doing things and you know, the amount of success that he's going to have in doing things that way, it'll, it'll benefit him in the end. So shout out to the young fella and also shout out to y'all. That's a wrap. Oh, by the way, make sure that y'all check out these interviews that we got coming over the next couple weeks. We got some great interviews we've done. I hope y'all enjoyed them as much as we enjoyed them. So be on the lookout for that. And like BD told y'all at the beginning, follow the page for the show at Draymond show on X, formerly known as Twitter, so you don't miss any announcements. But that's a wrap from this episode of the Draymond Green show with my dog, bd.
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Justin Jefferson
Yeah, appreciate you.
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Draymond Green
The volume.
- [47:32]
Justin Jefferson
What's poppin Justin Jefferson here?
- [47:35]
Draymond Green
Football is a lot of explosions, a lot of energy and attitude.
- [47:39]
Justin Jefferson
It's a whole different vibe with these open earbuds.
- [47:42]
Draymond Green
It's like you're in the moment, but.
- [47:44]
Justin Jefferson
Also you can hear everything around you. You can be involved.
- [47:47]
Draymond Green
To have good sound and to be so light on your ear means a lot to me. Putting that music into my ears.
- [47:54]
Justin Jefferson
You feel good enough to go out.
- [47:55]
Draymond Green
There and play, you turn on that switch, no one can stop you.
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Justin Jefferson
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Savannah Guthrie
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Doug Gottlieb
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Savannah Guthrie
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Doug Gottlieb
How is it electric?
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Draymond Green
Good questions.
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Doug Gottlieb
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Draymond Green
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Savannah Guthrie
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Doug Gottlieb
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Draymond Green
It's golf.
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