The Draymond Green Show w/Baron Davis: Draymond Green on Karl-Anthony Towns battle in Warriors-Knicks, NBA DPOY race

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Episode Featuring Draymond Green and Baron Davis

Introduction

In this episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, iHeartPodcasts and The Volume delve into an in-depth conversation with NBA star Draymond Green and basketball legend Baron Davis. Released on March 22, 2025, the episode focuses on Draymond Green's performances, his defensive prowess, and his perspectives on the ongoing NBA Defensive Player of the Year (DPOY) race, particularly in relation to Karl-Anthony Towns' battle against the New York Knicks.

Playoff Preparation and Defensive Excellence

Draymond Green opens the discussion by emphasizing his commitment to playoff preparation. He states, “I’m in playoff preparation mode” (22:02), highlighting his focus on enhancing both his defensive and offensive contributions to elevate team performance.

Baron Davis commends Green's defensive capabilities, noting, “you are holding all Star opponents to 42% field goals, 26% three-point field goal percentage this season” (07:28). This remarkable statistic underscores Green’s impact on the court, positioning him as a frontrunner in the DPOY race.

Defensive Strategies and Team Dynamics

The conversation delves into defensive strategies essential for team success. Green discusses the importance of not overhelping on defense, explaining, “If I get completely blown by, then, yeah, pull over and help” (41:39). Baron emphasizes the need for defenders to strike a balance between aggression and support, suggesting, “Don’t help and be not helpful” (41:43). This strategic approach ensures that the team maintains defensive solidity without compromising other areas of play.

Evaluating Teammates and Opponents

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to evaluating both teammates and opponents. Green praises Dyson Daniels for his defensive tenacity, stating, “He’s a good defender just like yourself” (30:08), while also recognizing the importance of intelligence and anticipation in securing steals without leaving the team vulnerable.

The duo also analyzes recent matchups, particularly Draymond’s duel with Karl-Anthony Towns. Green shares his admiration for Towns' physicality against the Warriors, commenting, “He played phenomenal for the Knicks” (44:25), and underscores the value of maintaining a combative edge on the court to instill respect and drive performance.

Defensive Player of the Year Race

Green passionately advocates for his DPOY candidacy, asserting, “We gotta get defensive player of the year” (07:25). He compares himself to legendary defenders like Tim Duncan and highlights his unique ability to guard multiple positions seamlessly: “I can guard two guys in one possession and not force someone to have to help me” (29:44). This versatility and high basketball IQ set him apart from other contenders in the race.

Personal Anecdotes and Defensive Lessons

Baron Davis shares nostalgic anecdotes from his playing days, such as Eldon Campbell’s refusal to front Shaquille O’Neal, illustrating the importance of defensive integrity and teamwork. These stories serve as lessons on maintaining focus and discipline in high-stakes situations.

Green recounts his experiences in back-to-back games, drawing inspiration from Kevin Garnett’s strategies to stay energized and effective: “When I went into that back-to-back game, my legs felt like I didn’t play that night before” (05:53). These insights reveal the mental and physical demands of sustaining peak performance throughout the season.

Upcoming NBA Road Trip and Player Evaluations

The conversation shifts to the Warriors’ upcoming road trip, discussing key matchups against teams like the Raptors, Hawks, and Lakers. Green expresses confidence in his team’s ability to handle diverse challenges, emphasizing the importance of each game in maintaining their competitive edge.

Baron evaluates emerging talents such as Cade Cunningham and Austin Reeves, predicting significant impacts on their respective teams. He asserts, “Cade Cunningham will bring a championship back to Detroit” (77:16), showcasing his keen eye for future NBA stars and their potential trajectories.

NBA Players as Rappers: A Cultural Intersection

In a lighter segment, Green and Baron explore the intersection of basketball and music, celebrating NBA players who have successfully ventured into rap. They highlight figures like Shaquille O'Neal, Dame Lillard, and Triple Jaren Jackson Jr., emphasizing the multifaceted talents of these athletes. Baron remarks, “Shaquille O’Neal... he tore the doors down and got a great” (85:42), while Green praises their cultural contributions beyond the court.

Conclusion: Embracing the Competitive Spirit

Wrapping up the episode, Green and Baron reflect on the Warriors’ evolving team dynamics and the importance of maintaining a competitive spirit fueled by both respect and rivalry. Green encapsulates the essence of their discussion with, “We will be hated in Miami this time around. We will be hated in Memphis as always” (76:25), highlighting the Warriors’ resilience and determination to thrive under pressure.

Notable Quotes

• Draymond Green (07:28): “You are holding all Star opponents to 42% field goals, 26% three-point field goal percentage this season.”
• Baron Davis (41:43): “Don’t help and be not helpful.”
• Draymond Green (07:25): “We gotta get defensive player of the year.”
• Baron Davis (85:42): “Shaquille O’Neal... he tore the doors down and got a great.”

Conclusion

This episode provides a comprehensive look into Draymond Green’s defensive strategies, his aspirations in the DPOY race, and his interactions with teammates and opponents. Baron Davis contributes valuable insights from his own illustrious career, making this conversation a must-listen for basketball enthusiasts interested in the tactical and personal aspects of the game.

Transcript

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[Draymond Green]

What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond Green show with my dog, the legend Baron Davis himself. BD what's up, my brother?

[Baron Davis]

What's up, my guy? What's going on, man? You hooping? How you feeling? You look good out there.

[Draymond Green]

Appreciate it, brother. I feel great. You know, it's that time of the season. You getting your body, get ready to go for the playoffs. Locking it all the way in. I feel great out there, bro. We gotta, you know, like I said before, we got a chance. You give me a chance, I turn it to a different basketball player.

[Baron Davis]

Kindness.

[Draymond Green]

That's what I've seen get going in this tournament.

[Baron Davis]

Get the hell out of here. I got the Spartans in UCLA and the finals. That's fire with UCLA beating them again. Y'all gotta get there. Y'all gotta get there.

[Draymond Green]

Hopefully y'all make it.

[Baron Davis]

No, we got it. We, we, we cool. We got every matchup. We, we got a better matchup than any team in that bracket.

[Draymond Green]

Team just not that good. And that's the problem. So you look at the other team and you like, yeah, we got a better matchup, you know, like. Cause that team ain't that strong. The problem is y'all team ain't that strong.

[Baron Davis]

Defense. Defense. Win championship.

[Draymond Green]

I can't knock that, you know.

[Baron Davis]

And we play defense and we play defense. When I'm looking at the bracket next to we, number one, the team that.

[Draymond Green]

Beat him, number one, though, I don't really know if we know what, but our defense. Crazy.

[Baron Davis]

Yeah, I got, you know, y'all got a little Baby J. Rich. He got Baby Rich. Yeah, that's my dog. But look, in the tournament, you gotta let the dogs run wild on offense. And I think Mick Cronin Gonna let Eric Daly. You're gonna see. You gonna see these dudes turn into offensive guys in the tournament because it's, you know, the floor too big to be doing a lot of yelling. You know, you can't. You got to coach strategically in the tournament. And I think Mick Cronin, defensively, specialist, offensively, he gonna have. If he pull back a little bit.

[Draymond Green]

Of them rings, you know the problem.

[Baron Davis]

We gonna get another juang. We in a juzang haz Tyler Campbell, we going back to the Final Four.

[Draymond Green]

Man, you know the problem I have with these UCLA conversations is you always make it out to be like, I hate ucla. I have nothing against ucla.

[Baron Davis]

No, but the way you recruited you.

[Draymond Green]

But the way. No, y'all didn't recruit me. But the way you be framing it, though, you be framing it like, I don't like ucla. I have nothing against ucla. I actually. I told you, my kids love ucla.

[Baron Davis]

I know. We're in the same conference now, bro. You gotta, you gotta feel it.

[Draymond Green]

Y'all just. We, we come out, we catch some sun. That's why we lost in two games. We come out, we catch some time, we go back to the snow. Y'all ain't really in our conference. Y'all just appear to be there.

[Baron Davis]

We are, man. Y'all came over there and got. Got that smacking. We could, we could hang in the Big Ten. I am not worried about nothing cracking in the Big Ten. As far as UCLA coming in, give us a couple years, we'll be the number one team in the Big Ten. Not even.

[Draymond Green]

All right, there it is. Five thousand dollar bet that in the next three years, big UCLA do not win the Big Ten regular season champ, championship. Better. Say no more. Say no more.

[Baron Davis]

All right, we got to talk about this defensive clinic though. Versus the Bucks. Now, you know, I say you've been balling, bro. You've really been balling. Giannis shot 31. His lowest field goal he had in over two years. You know what, bro, you are holding all. Hold on, brother. Hold on. Let me give you your flowers.

[Draymond Green]

I ain't used to getting flowers.

[Baron Davis]

Yeah, let me, let me tell you what you doing right now, Draymond Green, you are holding all Star opponents to 42% field goals, 26% three point field goal percentage this season.

[Draymond Green]

Wow, that's.

[Baron Davis]

So you doing your. Your thing, you know what I mean? Like, you get, you, you, you get into the money, you back to Draymond Green. Even Steve Kerr said, you know, you wanted greatest defensive minds and greatest defensive players that he's ever witnessed being, you know, an elder statement in the league. A super vet in the league, right? To be able to come into this season. And y'all been turning. Y'all been chopping wood, right? Y'all been hella mediocre. Mediocre. Hella mediocre, but good, right? And now that y'all starting to turn the corner, people starting to recognize, oh, Trey been doing this all year, right? I've been saying it because that's my goal for you, bro. We gotta get defensive player of the year. You know, we gotta turn up some offense, we gotta get some more rebounds. And, you know, looking at that game against the Bucks just the way you. The way you came out and play against the superstars of this league, that's what we want to see.

[Draymond Green]

No doubt, bro.

[Baron Davis]

That challenge, we need more. We need more of that. You know what? We need way more of that. That's what makes the league great. Are people stepping up for these challenges? What is this superstar going to do against this defensive dude? What are these two superstars going to do when they putting their best defensive player on and. And you run into the fade?

[Draymond Green]

You know, I think so.

[Baron Davis]

I gotta give your. I gotta give your kudos, man. You know, coming down the stretch of the season, you got my vote for defensive player to.

[Draymond Green]

You appreciate it.

[Baron Davis]

And everybody needs to pay attention to it. Go check the facts.

[Draymond Green]

That part.

[Baron Davis]

42%, 26% from 3. And you talking about all Stars. The guys ain't talking about somebody getting. Yeah, we ain't talking about somebody getting lucky. Like, you know, like a Dylan Brooks.

[Draymond Green]

Just kidding.

[Baron Davis]

I love Dylan Brooks. That's my dog. Hey, I told Dylan Brooks he can be. He. He. He needs to channel a little bit. What you doing? But, like, nobody is like, the surprise guys are surprise guys. But when it's the superstars, I say a lot.

[Draymond Green]

Absolutely. I think, you know, for a guy like myself, when you get the. When you had an opportunity to face the superstars, like, that's what. That's what it's about, right? Like, that's the one. 82 games. Over the course of 82 games season, to think that every night you gonna be like, oh, I got this. That's my matchup. At this point in the career, it's not quite realistic, as much as you try to push yourself to get as close to that as possible, but it's not really that realistic. But when you get the stars lined up, like, you looking at that schedule and you like, oh, I got him tonight. Oh, I got him Tonight, I'm ready to go. And when I came in the league, bd, that's what you had to build yourself up on, right? Like playing against the Blake Griffins, the lamarcus Aldriches, the Z Bos, like, when those matchups came around, you had to be ready to go or you were going to get embarrassed. And so, you know, I still kind of embody that. Like, when you got the stars coming in town, you gotta be ready to go. You gotta, like, that's when you really test who you are, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, you can be good defensively all season and that's great. But when the stars roll into town, because this is a star league, make no mistake about it. When they roll into town, how do you fare then? Where's your mentality? Where's your mindset when the stars roll into town? Because guess what? Everybody's watching when the stars roll into town. And so for me personally, you know, I always look forward to that opportunity. And by the way, not all, not, not all the time do you fare well. Like you don't when you playing against stars, they stars for a reason, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah, you don't always make out well, but the opportunity you take, the challenge, come on, to take on that challenge, the opportunity to make out well is what get me going. And so we coming in on the back to back. I got Giannis Antetokounmpo, you know, Greek free, he running through everybody.

[Baron Davis]

Everybody get downhill.

[Draymond Green]

Ain't nothing you can do. What's your mindset coming into that game? And my coming into that game was I just want to make it tough on him. I just want to try to make him uncomfortable. Not that I'm going to come in and I'm a stop him or I'm going to lock him up. Because the reality is you don't really stop stars, you don't really lock stars up, right? They going to shoot the ball as many times as they want, right? So they're usually going to get their numbers. But how hard can I make it on them? That's always my mindset. It's never like, I'm about to lock this dude down. Not really a realistic feat, but I'm about to make it real hard on him tonight. And he gonna know it's hard. It's hard. Everything he do, it gotta be hard. So that's always my mindset when I'm facing the stars. And you know, against Giannis the other day, I saw he shot 31%, which was his lowest field goal percentage in over two years. Felt great about that because A, as you know, BD coming in on the back to back, a little different beast, you know what I'm saying?

[Baron Davis]

Way different.

[Draymond Green]

Yeah, they've been sitting in the hotel watching us play last night. So you coming in on that back to back legs feeling a little different. I will tell you something I did the other day. I saw KG maybe a couple months ago and he was talking about what he started doing on back to backs. As he got further in his career, he like, yo, I started doing something on back to backs. It changed everything for me. So the other day after we played Denver, I'm like, man, KG said he was doing this. Kg, one of the legends as we know, I'mma try it. And so I took a page out of KG book and I tried it, bro. When I went into that back to back game, my legs felt like I didn't play that night before I went into that game. But I was picking up Giannis full court. I don't pick up full court on a regular. I went into that game, brother, my legs fell out of this world. I was like, yo, I feel like I didn't play a game the other night, so let me take advantage of that. And man, so I went in with the mindset, you know, and you know, it was great to have a successful night like that against one, you know, two time mvp, one of the greats in our game. So I was locked in and I needed that. You know what I'm saying? I wanted that. I wanted that matchup. Over the last five years, last five, six years, me and Giannis haven't played against each other a ton. Either he was hurt or I was hurt, you know, and so we haven't played against each other a ton over the last five, six years. And so anytime, like I said, anytime I get the opportunity to play against the greats, man, I love those matchups.

[Baron Davis]

Yeah, when I played and I can't believe this, I let the league in. Steals two twice and never made defensive player. No defensive team. That's crazy.

[Draymond Green]

That is crazy.

[Baron Davis]

That's crazy. And on top of that, every time I stepped on the court, if I saw Kobe, I'm running over there. If I saw Jordan, I'm running to the fade. If I saw Iverson, I'm running to the fade, right? Anybody who was somebody, I think for me, because I, you know, I pride myself on defense and I don't think a lot of people knew or remember that, but I pride Myself on defense. And when you garden McGrady's D, Wade's Jason, kids, Steve Nashes, Tony Parker, you gotta be like, okay, what's happening? You know, what is it gonna be?

[Draymond Green]

And on a light night, you get who will give you 20 if you break it.

[Baron Davis]

Crazy, crazy it, really. Or. Or you got Mo Williams. That ain't no off night. Cause Mo Williams gonna run it up on you.

[Draymond Green]

Absolutely. That ain't no off night.

[Baron Davis]

It ain't no bro. Yeah. No off nights. It ain't no off nights.

[Draymond Green]

Right the wrong way. You got big shot over there.

[Baron Davis]

Yeah. Then you got Chauncey over there. Then you got Brandon Roy, you know, over there in Portland. So, you know, for me, it was always like, I ain't gonna be able to stop these dudes, but I'm gonna try to. And I wanted to ask you, like, when I used to think about it, it's really great offense beat great defense a hundred times.

[Draymond Green]

Absolutely.

[Baron Davis]

And when you have a great defender and a great offensive player and you going, you know, let's say it's a back to back, you really just painting in the gray, right? Because if that like someone like Giannis, if he's struggling that night, that don't mean he gonna stop shooting. That don't mean he gonna stop being aggressive. I don't mean that the last two minutes of the game, if it's close, like, who cares what the percentage is? We know that he's gonna get, you know, he's going to get the ball and he going, he going to be forced to make something happen. That's where that middle ground, that gray area is, right? So as a defender, you just, you really just trying to throw the offensive dude off his rhythm. And I pick one thing I know he like, and I take that away and see if his counter is working.

[Draymond Green]

Yeah.

[Baron Davis]

But if an offensive dude get going, it's ain't nothing you can do with.

[Draymond Green]

Nothing you can do, Right.

[Baron Davis]

And it's all about sticking to it. And so I just appreciate the way you play defense, man. I watch the game. When I watch the games, I watch the games for passing defense, turnovers, obviously, and you know where to make the best plays. And I think you've been playing great, but you've been playing great on offense, too. You got to keep the fucking offense up. You even went down the middle and dunk, bro. Dunking. Like me. I can dunk like that. By the way, he had the three.

[Draymond Green]

Oh, he came down.

[Baron Davis]

He had to push that. Oh, you was killing.

[Draymond Green]

And I had to Float. I've been pulling the float out the bag the last time.

[Baron Davis]

It's good.

[Draymond Green]

I appreciate it. I've been pulling that out the back. But, no, I think obviously, when, you know, I'm. Like I said, I'm in playoff preparation. Excuse me? I'm in playoff preparation mode. And I know come playoff time, I'm going to have to score the basketball. Every. Every year, come playoff time, I have to score the basketball a little more. So I'm preparing myself for that. Also, we got a new team. You know, when we. When we had the older teams, they know when the playoffs come, Draymond going to shoot more. We got a new team. So I need these guys to understand what that looks like as well. You know what I'm saying? So I'm trying to get them a glimpse of my guys also. A glimpse of what that look like as well. Like, I'm not as laid back offensively as I am in the regular season. When they come playoff time, I'm way more aggressive. And so I'm trying to give guys a glimpse of that while also understanding as well that we need to win these games. So I'm already locked into that playoff mode and trying to make sure I bring it offensively as well. I'll be 100% honest with you, B.D. i missed a couple threes the other night that I thought was cash. But outside of making sure I was putting Jimmy in position to get the ball where he want to catch and then allow him to make plays for everybody else and just get into the right spot, my total focus on that game the other night was on the defensive side of the ball.

[Baron Davis]

Yeah, for sure.

[Draymond Green]

You can tell my total and complete focus was on the defensive side of the ball because I knew that if I can come in and have a great game defensively with Steph out, which we gotta have a great game defensively with Steph out, that I could help give us a chance to win. And so that was my only focus, is putting them in getting Jimmy the ball where he wanted and then defensively trying to lock the whole court down.

[Baron Davis]

And I. I got a trick for you, right when you in that mentality, right on the offensive end, okay? So it's like first priority defense, second priority, make sure I'm initiating as a point guard. The third priority yourself is priority and is. You have to laugh on offense, right? Because. Yeah, because now it's like, oh, shit, I'm locking up. Oh, y'all gonna give me this?

[Draymond Green]

Oh, y'all gonna give me this?

[Baron Davis]

It's like, you.

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[Baron Davis]

You have to play lighter yourself when you so intense on this side, to where anything that you do, an open shot, a bucket laugh, because it's almost like you're. It's a. It's another form of your defensive strategy of teasing the other team. You feel like. Especially for you, like, you know what I'm saying? So now you like laughing and shit every time you score. And it's. And it's. And it's really just getting you loose, keeping you in flow, right? So now you'll. You'll still be aggressive, right, because you'll take the opportunities. Because it's just like, hey, all right. Like, I didn't come here to do this today, right? But I'll take everything you give me, right? And so just like, I think adding that as that third element always for you. Oh, you leave me open. Great. Oh, you're gonna let me drive. Great. Like, I'll take any opportunity. Like, I'll. I'm the defensive guy here, but I'm the playmaker guy here. But, hey, if y'all want to give me opportunities, I'm gonna take the opportunities.

[Draymond Green]

I'm gonna take the opportunity and I'm gonna take.

[Baron Davis]

And laugh about it. And laugh about it.

[Draymond Green]

Yeah, and laugh about it.

[Baron Davis]

Because it just let your guard down, right? So when you. Because you so intense on defense and calling commands and offense and moving your brain. I'm watching in your brain, and you talking, talking, and then you get the ball sometimes and it's like. Like you just shoot that. You know what I mean? Where it's like, hold on. I'm wide open. Okay.

[Draymond Green]

Oh, it went in.

[Baron Davis]

Hey, guess what? Look at me now. I'm telling you, people gonna be pissed, too. Especially in the playoffs, right? I think that's that element. Just a little smirk, a little laugh, a little, you know, whatever the music is, like, that becomes the. Your gift and your cheat that the other team is giving you.

[Draymond Green]

No, no doubt. I appreciate that, brother. Make sure, by the way, obviously, you know, trying to put this defensive player of the year campaign together, I'm going to continue to do that over these next 13 games, which I feel like I've been doing all year. But in saying that, remember to subscribe to the Draymond Green show with Baron Davis so you don't miss any episodes.

[Baron Davis]

And don't forget to follow us on all social media at Draymond Show Dub Nation. What is up? We cracking right now.

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Services and the Ad Council after Tuesday night game. Like I said, Steve Kerr said to hold Giannis to five field goals shows why he's still one of the great defenders in the world. In the world, in the world, Craig. In the world, in the world. Locked down around the world. Craig, just tell me your perspective. What separates you from the other defensive player to your candidates? Like, what's the dip like? Paint the picture of you and the other defensive candidates.

[Draymond Green]

I think, I think for me, just never been a liability in any situation. You know, no matter what the situation is defensively, I'm fit for it. I think, you know, if there's anything that separates me from, from the rest of the guys, which, by the way, Evan Mobley, incredible, incredible defender, has incredible tools, incredible length, great shot blocker. Dyson Daniels, incredible defender. What he's doing on the steel front. Gotta take your hat off to him, Tripp, my young fella, incredible defender, what he does, protecting the rim special. But I think for me personally, I protect the realm. I can guard to pick and roll. I can try to pick and roll and still guard my man without help, which I think is a skill that I have in the NBA that I don't think anyone else possess. I don't think there's anyone in the NBA that can trap Damian Lillard on the ball screen and get back to Giannis. When Giannis catch the ball in the pocket with no help, I don't think there's anyone can do that. And so in turn, being able to guard two guys in one possession and not force someone to have to help me, I think that covers up a lot of mistakes. I Think that saves a lot of energy for guys that don't need to make extra rotations. And so I think that's what separates me largely, and then also my basketball iq. I think I see plays way before they happen. You know, I can spot something, I can sniff something out in a heartbeat, and I'm quick enough, I'm strong enough to react and address the issue. You know, if that's the guy, I want to come downhill and deliver a blow. And when I say deliver a blow, I mean that shoulder. I can take the shoulder and still hold my ground. You know, if that's the guy, he's fast and he's trying to get downhill, I'm quick enough to get downhill with him and still get an attempt, you know, try to affect a shot at the rim. And so I think that's what separates me from guys is just being able to, obviously, guard positions one through five nightly, no matter who that one is or who that five is. But like I said, just my IQ and reading the plays. I take a great deal of pride in fucking up your favorite team's offense. As much as I enjoy locking one guy down, I take more pride in locking your entire offense down. Making your offense, your coach has to figure something else out, Making your offense have to make adjustments. I take more pride in that. And so for me, there's a lot of pride in how you guarding your matchup, how are you guarding the ball? But I almost enjoy more messing up your offense from the weak side. I think when you start talking about guys who can guard the ball and guys who can be great help side defender, I think I'm a lead at all of that.

[Baron Davis]

No, I love it. I love it.

[Draymond Green]

I think that's what's up.

[Baron Davis]

I agree. I would say when you're looking at the candidates, a lot of, a lot of the candidates are helps help side defenders, weak side shot blockers, plug in the hole. Great defenders get a lot of blocks or get a lot of steals, but it's not on ball.

[Draymond Green]

Yep.

[Baron Davis]

For you, if I'm a coach and we're playing against the warriors, of course I'm worried about Steph, Steph Curry, but I'm also worried about Draymond Green. Right. And I think the one thing that you said that take that you take it to another notch is you're a disruptor. It's not just the pick and roll. It's the pick and roll, the back door cut. You know, you find your way into the mix in every play. And so just like offense, which I Think, you know, you're involved in every play, but defensively, you're. You're involved in every play and what's happening on the weak side, right? And I think that disruptor, right, is what really separates you, because in order to disrupt someone's ecosystem, you have to know what everybody does.

[Draymond Green]

Yeah.

[Baron Davis]

And a lot of times people get credit for being, you know, good defenders on teams that win, score a lot of points, you know, things like that. But you got to look at where is the disruption when a coach comes in and they going over a scouting report. Coaches usually don't go over defense of players. That's one that separates you because you have to be in the pregame discussion going into the game because you actually. You cause commotion from the time the game starts. So they gotta pay attention to Draymond Green. Not only is he a great defender, but he'll talk you out your game. He'll follow you out your game, he'll push you out your game. He'll talk shit to the coach. He'll call one of your plays out in the most opportune time. Right? And that's intelligence. And so intelligence, you know, I just want people to know intelligence is something that is earned. It's earned. It's like a PhD. I gotta give you that. Like a, you know, your PhD, you know, from a defensive, just intelligence perspective.

[Draymond Green]

I appreciate that, man.

[Baron Davis]

Doctor defense. We need some doctor defense. We need some doctor defense signs. Come on, man. And Chase, let's get it.

[Draymond Green]

Speaking of Defensive Player of the Year, I think some. Somebody said to me the other night, which is always a constant reminder, they asked me a question. Is it crazy that Tim Duncan never won a Defensive Player of the Year? Which I couldn't believe.

[Baron Davis]

I can't believe that either.

[Draymond Green]

Let me take that back. I can believe it because I knew it. But I still can't believe the fact that Timmy D never won a Defensive Player of the Year award. It's crazy. It makes no sense to me. But they were kind of asking me why. And what I wanted to ask you is, a la Tim Duncan, are there any other players in the league that you're surprised has never won a Defensive Layer of the Year award?

[Baron Davis]

King.

[Draymond Green]

And Martin Kmart was a hell of a defender.

[Baron Davis]

Kenya Martin, I saw Kenya Martin was a lot like you, bro.

[Draymond Green]

Yeah, he guarded.

[Baron Davis]

He was a shot. Like, yeah, man, he switched on to me. And if he foul you, you getting fouled.

[Draymond Green]

It's a hard fight.

[Baron Davis]

And so you gotta think about knows when somebody like that is gonna foul you. Hard. Guard you hard, and we'll push you in the stands and ready for the scrap. So there's a certain like, okay, I got. I gotta become a little bit softer. That part in my approach with a king and Martin, I say Kobe, too.

[Draymond Green]

Kobe definitely should have won a different player of the year.

[Baron Davis]

He picks up every challenge, every superstar. If it's two superstars, right, he stepped up to the challenge. And I think a lot of times, like when people looking at defenders, they looking at, oh, he scored this, or. Or Kobe and TMac messed up, and they looking at the offense, and it's like, Kobe may have 30, T, Mac may have 40, but you gotta look at the game to see how he stepped up to the challenge.

[Draymond Green]

Like, absolutely.

[Baron Davis]

A defender don't care about getting crossed, crossed up, or dunked on, or the game winning shot, because that's. I gotta win more of those than I lose, you know, but they gonna play those highlights forever. Forever, Forever. You know? And then I would probably say, before.

[Draymond Green]

You say another one, let's just give you a hidden gem. Makes complete sense of Joaquin Martin is the way he is. That brother was born in Saginaw, Michigan.

[Baron Davis]

Okay. Okay.

[Draymond Green]

You know what I'm saying?

[Baron Davis]

So he got that K Martin from the sag.

[Draymond Green]

Kmart was born in Saginaw, Michigan.

[Baron Davis]

Okay.

[Draymond Green]

Kmart, Saginaw water. That's Sagin all blood. We just cut a different way. Just cut a different way. So shout out to Kmart. Shout out to Kmart.

[Baron Davis]

Yeah, I want to talk about this, but Jimmy talked about how you get mad and you get up on defense. Listen.

[Draymond Green]

You go watch that third quarter, I kept looking at the bench going crazy because they kept getting threes, and this guy's over helping, and I'm looking at the bench like, yo, stop over helping. And so I'm literally starting to lose my mind now. I'm like, yo, this is frustrating the shit out of me. And Steve, as timely as Steve Kerr always is, I'm ready to lose my mind because I'm like, man, I'm having a great defensive game right now, and y'all keep over helping. And I literally said to my guys, I said, yo, y'all keep over helping. But he hasn't scored on me, so I don't understand why, like, why all of a sudden now is everyone over helping? As if, like, he hasn't scored? Like, at least let's make him score on me first. Yeah. And so I start getting mad, and as timely as Steve Kerr is, he's like, dre, relax. Keep your head we'll fix it in the fourth quarter, I promise. And I was ready to lose my mind, like, yo. And now he's like, Yan is starting to pile up assists. It's going to make it look like he's having a better game than he's really having, like, stop over helping. And he's like, trey, I promise we're going to fix it in the fourth quarter. Just relax. I promise. I'm like, all right. And it was so timely for me because it immediately locked me right back in. And I'm like, all right. He know my issue, right? Like, he know what's going on. He going. It allowed me to lock back in. And sure enough, we definitely fixed the issue, which was why we was able to get the lead back to where we got it. But, man, I hate people help. It's not that I hate people helping me. I just want you to help when there's help needed. You know what I'm saying? If I get completely blown by, then, yeah, pull over and help. But if I'm side to side with a guy, I'm gonna make him take a tough shot. Like, if I'm side to side with him, I'm gonna make him take a tough shot. I don't need you to help because, A, you're now going to open up a passing angle for them if they want the pass. B, if you overhelp, you're going to open up a rebound, offensive rebound possibility for them. Because if your guy cut in after you help and somebody don't make the next rotation, you open up, you open up an offensive rebound. But then also just as a competitor, this mano a mano, this man versus man, I want to see what I can do. And I feel like when you have someone on the defensive end that you don't have to help, then you don't have to get into rotations. In an NBA, all NBA offenses are created to put teams in rotations. Because you want to play against a rotation that you can get downhill, you got shot, you can make the next pass and get like. And so you want to play against rotations. And anytime you got a guy that don't need help, which means you don't have to pull another defender to help, and you don't have to pull another defender to trap the box. You don't have to pull another defender to go double team anytime you don't have to do that, you're allowed to stay matched up everywhere else and take away passing angles and leave this guy to take a tough shot and So I get so upset because I'm like, yo, if I need help, cool. Like, there's going to be times in the game where, yeah, you need help. And it just happens, you know, stuff happens fast on that court. But if I'm right there side to side with a guy, man, don't come helping me. And then we open up something else, because now I can't stop what we open up, because I'm so locked in on this thing right here. I can't take away whatever you just opened up on the backside. I'm on the backside of the defense and someone else go help. I actually don't mind because I'll cover my guy and your guy until you get back. You look at the NFL. Derek Stingley just got paid $30 million past your 10 seconds. $26 million. You know why those guys, Jaylon Ramsey making $25 million. You know why those guys are making that much money? They lock up. But more importantly, you can put him on, you can take that guy, you have this receiver, go stop him, which then allows you to do so many other things with those other 10 guys on the field. Because I know I got that one guy that's going to hold his own over there. It just opens up what you can do elsewhere defensively. And so I like to be that guy for my team. But if I'm being that guy, allow me to be and by the way, make y'all life so much easier. And so I, I, I, you right? I, I, I start losing my mind sometimes when, when, when people are overly helping me because I don't need to help most of the time.

[Baron Davis]

And on top of that, if Giannis is passing the ball and getting assists, he can, it's scary because now he can get in rhythm.

[Draymond Green]

Absolutely.

[Baron Davis]

And if, and if I gotta go start thinking about all this other shit, then any moment I let up off of a superstar, those last four minutes of the game, that's, they, they want to do all that, right, so they can catch a flow, so they can be able to score.

[Draymond Green]

I actually find my rhythm on, on offensive and through pass. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's, that's actually how I find the rhythm. Some guys can get a rhythm by going to the free throw line one time and seeing it go in. I'm gonna tell you a huge play. And I credit BP on this play. That really saved me where I needed some help. I went to help on Dame's drive and Dame stopped. I pulled back a little bit, Dame started to drive again. I moved up and bp, Giannis cut back door right underneath the rim and he would have had a wide open dunk. BP got a hand on it and knocked it away and we went the other way. He get that open dunk. He get that open dunk. It could change things for me.

[Baron Davis]

It could change things. Yeah.

[Draymond Green]

And that was such a big play, man. But to your point, all it takes is one bucket, one pass, one anything to get a great player like that, like, all right, I got it now. And they get going and then you're stuck trying to put out the fire. So don't over help.

[Baron Davis]

Just don't.

[Draymond Green]

Yes, help if you need the help, but don't over help. I'm good.

[Baron Davis]

Help to be helpful. Don't help and be not helpful.

[Draymond Green]

Absolutely.

[Baron Davis]

That's what I say.

[Draymond Green]

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[Draymond Green]

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[Draymond Green]

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[Baron Davis]

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[Baron Davis]

Pre game to greater things. Start building your retirement [e-mail] brought to you by AARP and the Ad Council. The game versus the Knicks, my Knicks take. That was a battle. I think it was both a mental and a physical battle for you and Karl Anthony Towns. He played phenomenal for the Knicks.

[Draymond Green]

Right?

[Baron Davis]

Because you know, I love the Knicks. I think Karl Anthony Towns, if he plays physical like he played against you, right, there's a better ceiling for the Knicks. I wanted to get your thoughts on one, his game, that game, because, you know, he was. He was going at you too. I like that. I like that he was going at you.

[Draymond Green]

Yeah, I absolutely loved that he came out with that mentality because as we spoke about the whole situation of what I said on the podcast, which, you know him with, with him ducking Jimmy.

[Baron Davis]

We apologize anytime, anytime somebody lose somebody. But you know, what was said, what was said, we apologize. We moved forward. Obviously he heard about it. He had a chip on his shoulder. And I like that.

[Draymond Green]

And I love that there are things that go on throughout the course of an NBA season that should give you a chip on your shoulder. What I hate is when guys act like it didn't happen. And I've actually played against Carl before where some things were said or hear this, that and the other. And he did not come out and act like he. Like he knew what was going on. And I hate that. I love the way he came out. First play, they give him the ball. He gave me on the pump fake. Guess why he get me on that pump fake? Because I'm thinking the same thing. He thinking it's me and you right now. What's up, right? He shoot the pumpkin. I want that so bad. Ah. I go for the pump fake. He drive by.

[Baron Davis]

I'm like, guess what?

[Draymond Green]

Guess what? I'm like, okay, here we go, right? Like, it's time.

[Baron Davis]

That was going at it, dude.

[Draymond Green]

Let's go at it, right? And so I love that, and I applaud him on his mentality that he came out with. I am not the guy that's going to say when someone do something wrong and not say when they do something right. That mentality that Karl Anthony Towns came out with is the exact mentality that he should have came out with, and I love it. So here it is. He get that dunk now vice versa. I get the first block on Giannis. Carl get the dunk. You feeling a little different. So now he feeling good about himself, right? He get a couple open threes, you know, in the flow of the offense. He making shots. It's good, right? So I need to put this fire out. So now at that point, as a defender, I have to take on. I have to do whatever I need to do to put this fire out. So now you playing the game. You playing the game. Oh, man, he got two files.

[Baron Davis]

Oh.

[Draymond Green]

If I get him his third file, he got to go to the bench. So I'm running up to set a screen. He made contact. All right, let me embrace this thing. Let me embrace this guy.

[Baron Davis]

The chatter. And what I loved about it was the chatter, right? Like, I don't know what y'all was saying to each other or what was being said on the court. I don't even care.

[Draymond Green]

I'll tell you.

[Baron Davis]

I like to make up my own words. I don't even want you to tell me. I just made up my own. But I can. I can feel it.

[Draymond Green]

No, I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you what he said, bd Because I think this was a big moment for Towns, in my opinion. And I'm gonna go more into why I think it was a big moment. But I'm gonna tell you what he said. He said I called him soft. I said, he is. So he's soft?

[Baron Davis]

Yeah. Yeah, he's soft. Yeah.

[Draymond Green]

He said, man, you a hoe. I said, right? You a hoe. He said, ho, Ho.

[Baron Davis]

Ho, ho.

[Draymond Green]

I said, get him out of here. Go sit him down. Go sit him on the bench. Hey, tips. Tips. Get him out of here. He said, you a ho.

[Baron Davis]

He gave you the Christmas.

[Draymond Green]

Hey, so listen, right? So I'm loving that, but you going to sit on the bench. It's cool. Hey, but check this out. And you asked a specific question. You said, do I think he's better? And they're better off if he plays with that type of physicality? And the answer is yes. And if Karl Anthony towns was my teammate, that's what I'm looking to get out of him every single day.

[Baron Davis]

So I'm fine.

[Draymond Green]

There's something every single day like, yo, I need you on this type of time, and here's why. And I need to get that from him. Because there's guys like Karl Anthony Towns that are as talented like that. Like, that's that talented that sometimes you need to put the battery pack. They need somebody to put the battery pack in their back. And Karl Anthony Towns, in my opinion, I think, is one of those guys, because he got the size he has, he's strong as hell, right? And he obviously has the skill and the skill. So if you play with that level of physicality, if I can get you play with that level of physicality, more often than not, we're going to win way more games than we lose. And I'm going to get you to be a better player than you even knew or thought that you were. And so he 100% would be better off and they 100% would be better off if he always played that physical. And by the way, if he played that physical all the time, he'd be much more respected around the NBA than he is. He's respected as a team, talented player. But you saw Matt Barnes say the other day, Matt said, cat's problem is he a cat. He not a dog. And that's what Matt said. If cat come out and play with the type of dog that he played with against me the other night, man, good luck guarding Kyle Anthony Towns. Good luck. Because the way he shoot the ball like a guard and he got that type of dog, you're not stopping him. And so I said earlier this year, I. I tweeted Carl, the New York Knicks won't win with Carl Anthony Town's front. Joker like that reason why you won't always get in that front. And mentally, Joker's just like, oh, man, this dude front of me. Like, he's scared of me.

[Baron Davis]

He don't want the. He don't want the fact he's scared of me.

[Draymond Green]

And so that's what the mindset becomes. Like, yo, this dude's scared of me. And I said that. Now, if you're in a playoff series and that's the game plan y'all go with, that's a totally different story. But you against this dude mano and mano in the regular season, bro, you gotta stop him, and. Or at least go for broke trying to stop him. And that's what I said. And everybody's like, oh, Draymond picking on Cat. One thing y'all should understand, Draymond don't just pick on people. I tell you the truth about basketball and about mentality, about championship winning mentality. And if you go back and look at them tweets, I said, if K ever want to compete at the highest level, if he wants to be respected at the highest level, you got to take on that challenge.

[Baron Davis]

You got to take that thing.

[Draymond Green]

Him taking on that challenge is the same mindset needed in which he had against me the other day. And so I stand by everything I said, when I said, when I put those tweets out, and I stand by what I'm saying now. Yes, he was absolutely, incredibly physical. And if he's that physical all the time against everybody, that's a different basketball player. And guess what? When Cat showed up and played like that, I don't know if he realized it or not. People gained way more respect for him.

[Baron Davis]

But even the level of the play of everybody else went up without having Jalen Brunson. Hey, have you ever had a teammate get kicked out the game by the coach?

[Draymond Green]

Kicked out of the game?

[Baron Davis]

Have you ever had one of your teammates sent to the locker during the game? That girl.

[Draymond Green]

Get out of here.

[Baron Davis]

I have a funny story about fronting the post, bro. We playing the Lakers. We in Charlotte. Paul Silas tells Eldon Campbell, yo, we playing Shaq. You know, they got the triangle. Eldon, I want you to get around in front. So Eldon was like, huh? He was like, what? He was like, yeah, we gonna front. And then on the back side when they throw, we gonna close in. Double team. Eldon was like, nah, man. You know, I'm playing against Shaq. Like, I'm not fronting that dude. Paul Silas said, you gonna front his ass or you ain't gonna play. He said, man, I ain't got no time. Like, I ain't got no time for this. The game starts right? Eldon Campbell goes. He fronts Shaq. They throw the ball over his head. Shack down. Boom. Elder Campbell front. Shack again, right? Shack it and one right. Eldon go, man, that. I ain't fronting this dude no more. I ain't front no more.

[Draymond Green]

Right in front no more.

[Baron Davis]

All right, we got you, big homie. Throw the ball in the shack. Elden like, playing behind him. Think Shaq may Have missed one. Throw the ball back to Shaq. He get an N1. Paul Silas called a timeout. Time out, time out, time out. Hey, bro, you know when the coach meets you and start walking you to the bench? So I'm sitting on the bench. They just going back and forth. I told you the front man. I ain't fronting. We get to the bench, he said, man, this is a game. Playing the fun. He said, man, that ain't gonna work. He said, if you don't think this gonna work, you can leave. Elder said, okay. And he got him off the bench, bro, I want to the locker room, Paul. Silence. Told him, look it, get out of here. You can go on. I was like, wait, hold on, dude. Like, we need this bullish chef, bro. I get there. We get there at halftime, right? He put his suit on. He, like, in the locker. The team over there, please. Come on, big homie. We need you. Come on. Come on, man. Put your jersey back. Oh, we need you. Come on, man. He was in full suit, had his bag. He was on his way out.

[Draymond Green]

Did he start back playing that? He came back to the game.

[Baron Davis]

You know, Paul Silas kicked Eric Snow out the game when he was on the team. LeBron. Hey, hey, dude, Paul Silas was funny. He be like, you don't want to play. You a. Get the up out of here.

[Draymond Green]

No.

[Baron Davis]

Now. Bye. Bye.

[Draymond Green]

Man, that's hilarious. That's hilarious. I'm not front. If you're a big dude, don't be.

[Baron Davis]

Out there fronting, man. Take the fast.

[Draymond Green]

It's tough. Cat. Seven feet, Cat. If I'm being honest, I could get away with front better. I'm six. Six.

[Baron Davis]

Yeah.

[Draymond Green]

Than. Than you.

[Baron Davis]

Yeah, you got.

[Draymond Green]

I'm sorry.

[Baron Davis]

Maybe Cat is one step away, though. He One step away. If he played like he played against you, everybody.

[Draymond Green]

He destroyed most guys, by the way.

[Baron Davis]

Yeah. Anyway. Anyway.

[Draymond Green]

But if he played like that against everybody mentality, right?

[Baron Davis]

Because it was. It was a different mentality, you know? Cause he got the cockiness, the chip on his shoulder, the entertainment. But for that game, for some reason, he was mad and locked in. So them three fouls, I wasn't mad at him for that. Because he wasn't gonna get punked that night. He was gonna. He wanted to play. Be on the court every moment. Cause he was embracing that. He gotta. He gotta start like that. He gotta look at every dude like Draymond, you know what I mean? He gotta look at every dude like. Like the nights you played against the warriors and say, if I bring that every night, it's gonna shoot New York to a whole nother stratosphere.

[Draymond Green]

That's a fact. It's a different. He play like that. It's a different player. No question asked.

[Baron Davis]

Man, you hit the night night Sally. Or. Or. Or is it the nightmare? Nightmare, according to Moses, Mo final layup with 25 seconds to go. Like, is that the new thing? Like, Steph got the night night. You got the nightmare.

[Draymond Green]

The play was to get the ball to Jimmy. Jimmy gets denied. Moses gets stuck at the top of the ball. And so I run up, get the ball. So I'm like, I'm gonna go make the play. Funny enough, Moses told me after the game, he's like, dre, you lucky you came and got that ball. Cause I was just about to get in my bag. And Moses, if you look at the clip he had just read in and out. And then I came and he swung it and got out. The way me getting that layup, though, Steph comes into the action, and he doesn't set a screen. But anytime Steph comes into the action and look like he's about to set a screen, it loosens the defense because people are terrified of Steph. And so they see Steph coming to the action. Everybody overreacting. Pause for a second to see what he about to do. And so I go, I got the ball on the left. I hesitate a little bit, and then I take off. And I know I can beat Cass hip right. Like, I know he ain't moving his puppies like that. Once I go, I turn the corner, I see the clear path to the lane, and I head on. Soon as I make the layup, I'm like, oh, it's time. This game is a ride. We just went up six points. It's a wrap. Let's hit these folks with a night night. It was a little early as we still had.

[Baron Davis]

You gotta slow down on your night night, though. You need to slow down.

[Draymond Green]

Don't be thinking, I got Steph Curry and Jimmy Butler. Steph Curry, greatest free throw shooter in the history of the NBA. We up six with 25 seconds to go. Steph gonna make free throws. So I'm like, night night. It's over. Well, here's what I will say.

[Baron Davis]

No, I'm saying the action. Like, here's what I will say. Like, damn, dude. It's like you slamming your head on the pillow or like, you know, it's like a homeless person. Night night. Listen, you gotta flow into it.

[Draymond Green]

Here's what I will say. Everything I do, I do. Lee, that's so my shoulders come up. It ain't just if you watch step right. You know what I'm saying? Steph, Steph hit the steps, shoot the ball. He go through steps. Just do like this. When I do anything, my shoulders do this right? So now the first time I did the night night, which was after the Rudy Gobert play, when I, I hit the night night. Now that was like, like it here. It was aggressive as hell. Now Steph gave me notes after that one and he said, you know, it was a little aggressive. You was too high up. You got like come down a little. And so I took notes. And what I will say is on that one, after that, I think my hands were a little bit lower. I learned to drop the head a little bit more. But.

[Baron Davis]

But you was bouncing your head, you.

[Draymond Green]

Know what I'm saying? You know, a little overzealous. But listen, here's the thing though. That's the thing. So then I walk in the locker room after all this plays out, and I'm walking around the locker room and I always go shake everybody up. Lone but loon, people think loon don't talk. Loon is the corporate thing. So Moses and loon over there, like, man, it's a nightmare. I hear them like, man, Draymond ain't doing the night night. He doing the nightmare. I start crying, laughing. And then Moses obviously came out and said it publicly. And there it is, the nightmare. It became world renowned, worldly known. Now.

[Baron Davis]

You gotta do something like this, like the, like the night night, and then do something like that, like this.

[Draymond Green]

I've had a, I've had a couple night night moments in the last week and a half though. So I, you know, maybe I need to come up with my own celebration.

[Baron Davis]

You know, something like this. And then like, ah, nightmare.

[Draymond Green]

Yeah, that's good. I like that. All right, we got one second.

[Baron Davis]

I mean, I wish I had, I didn't have no celly. I was just, damn, I wish I had me a celly, man.

[Draymond Green]

Yeah, maybe I need to come up with one nightmare.

[Baron Davis]

You gotta work on the.

[Draymond Green]

Man. We about to head out on this road trip, but before we get outta here, Steve always calls it the getaway game. We got the Raptors for our last home game of this seven game homestand 5 and 1. Currently looking to, to go 6 and 1 would have been great to go 7 0, but I don't think anyone's complaining about a 6 and 1 homestand. And then we head out in a six game trip. And why Steve Always called it the getaway game is because he just always say, yo, you never know that first game on the road, especially when you going east. You just never know how the body's gonna react, how the minds are gonna react. So the getaway game becomes even that much more important because you just wanna get out on the right note, you know what I'm saying? And so getaway game is extremely important for us. Like I said, closing this home stand out. But then also obviously we all know where the standings are. Minnesota's right on our heels, Clippers are right on our heels. We're not too far back from some other guys other team's heels. And so every game matters and you gotta take care of the ones that you're supposed to win. This Raptors game is one that we should take care of. We're at home, we've been playing well. Steph's coming back off a night off, off.

[Baron Davis]

Let's go.

[Draymond Green]

You know, we should be able to take advantage of this. And so it's a very important game for us, one that we got to take advantage of. And then our first game on the road comes against the Hawks. Dyson Daniels currently has 194 steals on the season, more than any player in the last 15 years. And in case y'all forgot how good my dog was defensively that y'all never put on all defensive teams, BD had a career high 191 stills and led the league twice in steals. So I wanted to ask you, what is it about Dyson Daniels that has impressed you? And then also if there's an art to getting steals in your opinion, there.

[Baron Davis]

Is an art when you watch the great, great John Stockton, who still holds the record for assists and steals, watching people like him being sneaky. Right. You learn how to be sneaky. Allen Iverson play every passing lane like soon as you not thinking about it, you got the Allen Iverson's, the Dwayne ways, people like that, that play the passing lane. But that John Stockton sneakiness is really because it's just a high intelligence. And knowing my like where the PAT like you just anticipate in passes. My career high the year I did 191, I picked people up three quarter court. So a lot of those steals were on ball steals. I would jam them up at half court because they couldn't take a back dribble. Yeah, you know that was the year I picked everybody. I think, you know, I picked LeBron, I picked, you know, everybody got picked at half court. Steve Francis Got picked, I got everybody and I used the half court as like a defensive line. So I think with Daniels it's a combination. He plays defense. He got quick hands, but he's scrappy and he's sneaky. Big dude dribbling the ball in the post. He coming around on the backside, you anticipating flashes and cuts down the middle. Somebody like him, when you told don't help off the corner, you figured out a way that you can help off the corner and still try and make the play. And so that's what I like about him. The artist steals is just you gotta be sneaky and you also just have to be in the mix. Like what are the tendencies of everybody on this team, right? And then where can you anticipate, you know, for me it was more like that and taking the challenge but slapping the ball out of, you know, out of the big dude hand when they underneath the basket, right? Not being afraid to like get a lot of chop files, I call them, right? I got a lot of chop files, but I didn't really care because I'm going to file you and I'm going to, you know, basically make your wrist hurt.

[Draymond Green]

That part, that part.

[Baron Davis]

So I foul you, I fou you, I'm a foul you hard. I'm probably going to chop you in the wrist, right? I'm probably going to hack you and slap you across the chest, reaching and then I may push you when you get by me. And I learned that from Jason Kidd. I almost picked Jason Kidd. I had him on. He had me on the sideline, man. I had him. Boom pluck. I was on the way, man. Jason Kidd pushed me into the scores table. I was like, yo, what's up? Like, no, man, I ain't trying to get no turnover.

[Draymond Green]

You ain't picking me.

[Baron Davis]

So, you know, I think that's the art is being sneaky. I would ask you too. Cause as a defender, you look at somebody like, you know, 194 stills this season, like that's huge. That's a lot.

[Draymond Green]

That is, that is. That's huge. I think I'd actually give Dyson Daniels credit. He's a good defender. A lot of guys that get steals ain't good defenders. A lot of guys that get steals, they just sell out on the play and leave your defense. If they don't get to steal, they leave your defense in rotations like we were talking about earlier. They leave your defense at a disadvantage because now they're out of position that someone got to cover for, for that. I think steals in some cases has has been a misconception around this league that if you get steals you're a good defender. That's not the case. I don't think that about Dyson Daniels. I do think Dyson Daniels is a good defender just like yourself. And there is an art to it. A, you have to be willing to take the risk, so you have to be a risk taker in order to get steals. B, you have to. And in the case of where there's a good defender and still there lies in IQ because you have to read these situations to not put yourself in bad positions, not put your team in bad positions, but to still get that steal. And by the way, I want to get that steal, but if I don't get to steal the good defenders, I'm still in position to guard this play. And so I think that's a big thing as well. It's like how are you leaving your team position when you're going after these steals? And you know, I have a guy on my team who has a great art of stealing the basketball, Jimmy Butler. He's great at getting steals and anticipating things. And then obviously I like to come up with a few steals here and there myself. I'm a one time steals leader in this NBA myself.

[Baron Davis]

Come on, let's go back.

[Draymond Green]

You know what I'm saying? I think it's an art. It's an art for sure. One I like to get is when I am strong side corner and that guy dropped, poke it away. And guys, they really willing to take that stab and get and get them every now and then. So I think that would be my favorite one to get for sure.

[Baron Davis]

Yeah. And on top of that, like to your point, like, just because you get steals don't mean you're a great defender. Mean you got great instincts, great timing. You know, I always try to pride myself because I wanted to be top three in the league of guards and block shots too. Defense Stills is also block shot. Like block shots you may not block. You know, you may not get credit for the block but you get credit for the deflection. Yeah, I've been watching Dyson Daniels since G league and you know, since he was young and he just has a, a knack for disruption.

[Draymond Green]

Yeah, disruption, he does. He was a good defender when he was in. He was a good defender when he was in New Orleans too.

[Baron Davis]

New Orleans, Yeah.

[Draymond Green]

Just needed to pick it up more often and now he's done that. So good for him. It's good to see his growth.

[Baron Davis]

Yep.

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[Baron Davis]

The highlight of the road trip is Jimmy Butler returning to Miami for the first time since the trade. Miami hasn't been playing well, what are.

[Draymond Green]

They on the eight game losing streak?

[Baron Davis]

Nine game losing streak. They just lost last night. What do you think the atmosphere will be like for that game two? Should I fly out to Miami and come to that game? And has Jimmy mentioned anything about it? I'm coming to the game anyway.

[Draymond Green]

Jimmy has not said a word about it. He locked in the Miami game, has not seen a word. It's funny. I was talking to Trav the other day. We were talking about this game, and he was like, man, you think because there's two guys, there's two different types of people that deal with situations like this. There's the person that doesn't say anything, and, you know, it means a lot to them, but they just don't say anything. And then there's the person that's like, nah, this. Like, I'm going to get this.

[Baron Davis]

Yeah.

[Draymond Green]

And the reality is, we all know Jimmy's mentality. He gonna be on 10. What I'm excited to see is, is he gonna be the guy that lets everybody else know and meaning us around him here on 10? Yeah. Well, is he just gonna walk in there on 10 and everybody fall in line? Nonetheless, I think the atmosphere is gonna be a great atmosphere because Wigs is gonna come and Wiggs is gonna wan. Kyle Anderson going to get minutes, and he going to want to play great. And then obviously, Jimmy raises all tides at all times and raise atmospheres at all times, and so. And I think there's going to be some plays that Jimmy going to make it known in that game, and I'm looking forward to that smoke. So I think it's going to be a great atmosphere. I think it's going to be a fun game. I'm looking forward to it. Obviously, Miami's always fun in itself, but we're going down there locked in. So I'm looking forward to it. I think it'll be great. Right.

[Baron Davis]

Has just hit me. You thrive in being hated. Right? At the beginning of the year, you were playing basketball and nobody hated you. Like, no teams hated you. They was just like, yeah, we can beat them. And y'all didn't have, like. And y'all were just playing basketball.

[Draymond Green]

Yep.

[Baron Davis]

Right. So when you look at, let's say, the first half of the year, you say, oh, look at Draymond Shenanigans. Shenanigans. Now look at Draymond Shenanigans when he hated. You know what I'm saying? And so now y'all got a fire. And so going into Miami and the warriors being hated. Y'all used to that. That's how like y'all need that energy more so to dry. Like Steph needs to be hated and not loved all the time. Right.

[Draymond Green]

Because the love is sometimes too much.

[Baron Davis]

Yeah. But you know, like you used to that because it's what does fans all over the world, right? And there's Steph Curry fans all around the world, three point shooting fans all around the world. But there's a sense of emptiness and stillness and quieting the gym down or a noisy gym that you guys just thrive in because you know it's war is battle. And so this first game, y'all going somewhere, y'all gonna be hated.

[Draymond Green]

No. 100.

[Baron Davis]

So I think this road trip is going to be a great eye opening experience because now you get to feel like the old warriors where people hate it. Whether you were 70 wins. Hate it everywhere. You went in, you had to like, you felt you had to earn, prove yourself. But you knew that. Okay, they hate us, we hate them. Yeah. And it just raises, it raises the level, right. 1,000% and the energy. Right. Cause a lot of times you gotta just, you just gotta try shit, do shit during the season just to rile yourself up. Y'all ain't gotta do that no more.

[Draymond Green]

Nah. You just come in on a different type of time now. Yep, absolutely. So I'm looking forward to that. And I love walking into the arena being hated. You know why? Because when you win, there's no better feeling than shutting that crowd up. And we will be hating tremendously in Miami this time around. We will be hated in Memphis as always.

[Baron Davis]

Oh, for sure.

[Draymond Green]

We will be hated in Los Angeles, for sure.

[Baron Davis]

I'll be at that game.

[Draymond Green]

You got San Antonio, which is always a tough game. You got New Orleans, which we've had some battles in that place in playoff series. So they're always looking to beat us, right? And so this trip and then Atlanta's always a fun game. So this will be a good trip for us. I'm looking forward to it. Let's get around the league before we get out of here. To Cade Cunningham. Game winner versus Miami. It was good to see the young fella, you know, take advantage of that moment. You know, pull up for the Tracy over, Bam, out of bayou for the game. Said that was his first three, the game winner. And I loved his explanation after the game. He said, man, that's the moment you like, yeah, you grow up in the driveway, 3, 2, 1. And you let that thing go. And it was great to see him have that moment as you know, I'm always rooting for the Detroit Pistons when they ain't playing against us. So I was happy to see K had that moment. That was big time.

[Baron Davis]

Yeah, that was my sleeper team. Remember them? Houston, at the beginning of the year, that was my sleeper team. K. Cunningham has SGA type of or.

[Draymond Green]

Yep. He just has.

[Baron Davis]

Yeah, yeah, he got the or. He got the or. You know, I challenged K to play one on one. I'm still not gonna duck that fade, but damn, dude, he nice, bro. Hey, hey. He's so nice and poised and mature and. And I would say this to young kids out there, like, if you want to be great, you have to figure out pace, how to dictate pace. And Kay Cunningham is settling into his flow, into his pace, and he's like, Luka Doncic, sga, Steph. Everybody has their own kind of pace. And they look like they move as slow, right? But it's because you can never get them too fast, too slow. It's always in their comfort zone. And that's where K. Cunningham is right now, man. He is in a comfort zone. And, you know, six, seven, he can, he. He can shoot the three, get, you know, big body, get to the. Get to the bucket. I like his maturity.

[Draymond Green]

He looked like. He looked like he feel like he belonged in the position.

[Baron Davis]

And he felt like. Yeah, he felt like he bigger than that. Right. He looked like he prepping for the next level.

[Draymond Green]

You know, I'm gonna say here, first, Cade Cunningham will bring a championship back to Detroit. I think he will. I think I see it happening. He. He got the talent. He got the talent. He got the demeanor, he got the size, which a lot of people underrate. He got the size to put a team on his shoulders and actually carry it. Cade Cunningham will bring championship basketball, championship rings, at least a ring back to the Detroit P, since obviously I understand how important franchise and organizations is to that ownership. Right. And then bringing in Trajan Langdon, I think is a big deal. I think Trajan is ready to take that next step and ready to take that next step with the team. So I don't know when it's going to be because I think they still got some fine tuning of the roster and different stuff that need to happen over the course of time. But Cade Cunningham will bring a championship back to Detroit.

[Baron Davis]

I can't deny that with his game. And you know what they building over there. They got the talent, so look out them for the next, you know, the next five years. We gotta. We gotta keep a close eye on what's about to start happening in Detroit.

[Draymond Green]

1,000,000%. Shout out to the City Motor City 313 Shout out to my Detroit people. Our last game of the trip is the Los Angeles Lakers, which is crazy by the way. Let's just speak. Yes, it's the Lakers. Tough game, all that. But then you come home from a two week trip on the back to back versus Denver. Let's just talk about the NBA schedule makers for a reason. That's trash. Moving on. Shout out to the NBA Our last game versus the Los Angeles Lakers on this upcoming trip. Don't know if Brian will be back by then, assuming he will, but since Lucas debut he's led the team in points, rebounds, assists, stills 3 point percentage and plus minus. Recently the focus has shifted to Austin Reeves, with many calling him the best third option in the league. What do you think BD and just as of note, James Worthy. Big game James, the legend himself said. I'm telling you, people Google Pistol Pete, Pete Maravich. For those of you that don't know who that is. He said that's him. Thoughts?

[Baron Davis]

Bd Love Austin Reeves. Love Austin Reeves. Best third option in the league, man. I cannot argue against that, man. He got ism, you hear me? He got confidence. He take big shots, he make tough shots. He can get to the bucket. You can't, you know, hesy pull up layups, fearless chip on his shoulder and, and not afraid to take big shots. Yeah, right.

[Draymond Green]

Actually wants the moment.

[Baron Davis]

Wants the moment. He wants the moment. He looking for you to leave him open, right? And the confidence that The Lakers and J.J. reddick showing in him and turning him into a point guard, right? You look at that dynamic with, you know, him and Luca, that backcourt, right? And then you, you with Luca and LeBron every day and you a young pup, man, and you got that mentality already. He's just gonna, like he ain't even touched his ceiling right now. He's starting to learn how to pass, starting to play, make more plays defensively. He's, you know, he, he, he's, he's leveling up. I can see Austin Reeves as a, as an All Star. I can see I like him a lot better than I like a lot of people, man.

[Draymond Green]

Here's what will have to happen for Austin Reeves to be an All Star and he should understand this. Their team has to be top two or three in the west because LeBron and Luka's going to make it, right? So you're getting two off your team, no question. So if your team's top Two top three in the west around that time, then you could possibly get three in. That'll have to be his path to becoming an All Star. But nonetheless, I think when I look at Austin Reeves and they say best third option in elite, I'm. I haven't really sat down and looked at third options to be, like, the best. And here's another thing. All the third options ain't just based off scoring, because third option. Third option, you have to do other things sometimes because the scoring may not. The ball may not come your way as the third option if Luka and Bron got it going. So I think when you're speaking the third options, it can't be just based off scoring. You know what I'm saying? It has to be based off overall impact. And so I'm not going to sit here and debate and say he not the best third option. I just haven't done the extra exercise to figure out if he up there, though, if that's my opinion. But he definitely at the top, no questions asked. And I think one of the things that I like most about Austin Reeves, I saw this clip of him, and it's actually his demeanor on the court. Where I saw this clip, he was on some podcast and he said, everybody like, oh, I got the white boy. He said, it's gonna be hell you come this way. And that's actually his demeanor on the court. It's like, you think, oh, I got off and it's gonna be hell. And so I love the demeanor that he carries, how he embarrassed bodies, you know, just that having that mentality on the floor, you know? So shout out to Austin Reeves. I think he playing great basketball. But in other news before we get out of here, I saw the ESPN article about how you find your voices. Rapper Bar Oatmeal. And you know how I like to end the show with a list. You tell me, who are your top five NBA players who've turned rappers right now?

[Baron Davis]

Okay, we're gonna take Bart Omel out the picture because ain't no comparison. We don't compare. Part Oatmeal only collaborates and we make fire. Top five. We're gonna go in no order. This is who I like. Shaquille O'Neal. He's like the James Brown of NBA players turned rappers. He's like the. The LL. He's the are OG go. Because he, you know, he. He. He tore the doors down and got a great. I like Dame Lillard. Dame dollar, right. You got an NBA player who has kept the same name and his nickname. Translate that to rap and Dame Spit. You know, put out like, three or four albums. You know, breaking another threshold. Number three, Triple J. Ah, okay.

[Draymond Green]

Trip.

[Baron Davis]

I do get. Hey, he got. He put out an album. It was crazy. I used to bump his album. I was bumping his album. I think it was like, two years ago. Last year. Two years ago.

[Draymond Green]

Just for those of y'all out there that don't know who Triple J is, that's Jaren Jackson.

[Baron Davis]

Oh, that's Jaren Jackson Jr. My bad. Triple Jaren Jackson Jr. In Memphis. Check his song out. I think the song called I Duke. I gotta put kd.

[Draymond Green]

Absolutely. The Slim Reaper in there.

[Baron Davis]

Yeah, I gotta put Slim Reaper in the mix. Cause, man, the song with him and Staley was fired.

[Draymond Green]

Yes.

[Baron Davis]

And he got bars. He got a nice melodic. Yeah, he got a nice melodic flow. You know, he got a nice tone. I like his tone. And. And I like. You know, obviously I like his frequency. You know, the B selection. Just the frequency he. He rap on.

[Draymond Green]

Can I say one thing about K before you go to your next one? K is as much of a music savant as he is a basketball savant. And I think that's, like, when you talk history of music, like, KD love music. He. When I say he is as much a savant, and that one is basketball, maybe even more like. And you know how much of a savant and great KD is in basketball. He's a savant when it come to that music, man. He love it. He know every song. He know every artist dating back, though. Not just, like, new artists, like, across the board. And so, you know, just. Just kd.

[Baron Davis]

Nah. Yeah, yeah, you can tell. And I say rounding out my last two, because I don't include Shaq. Miles Bridges.

[Draymond Green]

Yes, sir. Rtbmb.

[Baron Davis]

He snaps. He just. He just. He. He. He snaps. And then last but not least, Lonzo Ball, AKA Ozo Oatmeal. We got collaboration. We got a little tape. That's my guy. You know, we'd be locked in. In the studio. Shout out to Lonzo Ball. I actually want to produce an album with all the NBA players and musicians on one album. So that's. That's, like, one of my next projects because there's just so much talent. These dudes. So talent. Victor Oladipo said thing.

[Draymond Green]

Yes, he does.

[Baron Davis]

Yeah. JaVale McGee make beats. You know, Justin Bieber and all that.

[Draymond Green]

I think Jabelle McGee have a Grammy.

[Baron Davis]

Yeah, I think he do.

[Draymond Green]

Yeah. So it's a lot of musical talent in the NBA. Hey, but I got one question on your list that I just. There's an omission that I don't like.

[Baron Davis]

What was that?

[Draymond Green]

Jello and.

[Baron Davis]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Draymond Green]

Yeah.

[Baron Davis]

You said NBA. You said NBA.

[Draymond Green]

No. If Mac McClung can be an NBA dunk champion.

[Baron Davis]

Well, you put. Yeah.

[Draymond Green]

An NBA rapper.

[Baron Davis]

Yes.

[Draymond Green]

And I'm gonna tell y'all this, though. I'm gonna tell y'all this more than anybody, except maybe Shaq. Jello is living the dream.

[Baron Davis]

Yes.

[Draymond Green]

Here's why. We all want to be rappers. We all want to be musicians. All rappers want to be basketball players.

[Baron Davis]

Yep. He did it.

[Draymond Green]

He is actually a musician. He is actually played basketball. He act, bro. Was just that stage on. Rolling Loud on stage. Come on, man. Jello is living the dream right now.

[Baron Davis]

He is doing it, bro. He got. He got the period fire songs out that's come up.

[Draymond Green]

And he released Slappers.

[Baron Davis]

Yep.

[Draymond Green]

Period. So Jello gotta be in that list.

[Baron Davis]

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Hell yeah. Oh, yeah. Come on, man.

[Draymond Green]

Yes, he is. Jello is for sure.

[Baron Davis]

They gotta come get with Bart Oatmeal, man, because.

[Draymond Green]

Let's go.

[Baron Davis]

When Bart O'Mill released the vault, it's all for collaboration. So we don't do no comparisons. We just. Just whip up a ball, you know what I mean? That's the slogan. Get a bow, everybody out there.

[Draymond Green]

Let's get it. Shout out to all the rappers turn Hoopers Shout out to all the hoopers turn rappers Gotta love it. Love how the two intersect. Love how music and basketball and culture intersect. Never take that for granted. It's a part of the game. Shout out to AI when you talk hip hop and basketball being synonymous, hey, I led that charge. So shout out to him. We got some other rappers out there, too. Cole was a rapper, you know what.

[Baron Davis]

I'm saying, With Tyra.

[Draymond Green]

Yes, he did. So shout out to the guys. And I'll tell you what, you will not be hearing any raps from me.

[Baron Davis]

Yeah, you will.

[Draymond Green]

I try to rhyme with every sentence and every bar.

[Baron Davis]

We gonna get you right. You will hear Draym on a Bart Oatmeal. Welcome to the Bay album. I gotta get you on there, bro.

[Draymond Green]

You're gonna be like DJ Khaled. That's a wrap from this episode of the Draymond Green show with my dog Bar Oatmeal BD the legend Baron Davis.

[Baron Davis]

Get a bowl of that Draymond show. We out.

[Draymond Green]

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