The Draymond Green Show w/Baron Davis - Reaction to Pacers-Knicks, Wolves-Thunder, Kerr on Kuminga's Warriors future

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd Episode: The Draymond Green Show w/Baron Davis - Reaction to Pacers-Knicks, Wolves-Thunder, Kerr on Kuminga's Warriors Future
Release Date: May 24, 2025
Host/Authors: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume
Description: A thought-provoking, opinionated, and topic-driven journey through the top sports stories of the day.

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1. Introduction

In this episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, Draymond Green and Baron Davis delve into the recent developments in the NBA playoffs, focusing on the Pacers-Knicks and Wolves-Thunder series. They also discuss Coach Steve Kerr's comments regarding Jonathan Kuminga's future with the Golden State Warriors.

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2. Reaction to the Pacers-Knicks Playoff Game

Timestamp: [02:30]

Baron Davis initiates the discussion by addressing the intense emotions surrounding the Knicks' recent loss to the Pacers. He expresses his disappointment and analyzes the team's performance.

Draymond Green:
"I think the turnovers, I think the ability not to handle Indiana's pressure down the stretch, you know, we didn't show a lot of poise. That was my takeaway. It was a gut punch, right? It was like we got the wind knocked out of us big time."
[04:10]

Baron Davis emphasizes the difficulty of recovering from a playoff series loss, especially when it stems from a single bad game.

Baron Davis:
"When you win a game in the playoff series, like, you literally win the game and you look up and your record has one more loss... it's hard to come back from that."
[04:15]

They share a personal anecdote about attending the game, highlighting the palpable tension among Knicks fans as the game progressed.

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3. Strategies and Adjustments for the Knicks

Timestamp: [22:47]

Draymond Green and Baron Davis analyze the Knicks' strategic approach against Indiana, particularly focusing on Jalen Brunson's role and the defensive tactics employed by Coach Rick Carlisle.

Draymond Green:
"If Jalen Brunson is your primary ball handler, your primary scorer, and Carlisle starts to trap him, you got to figure out who else can bring the ball up and settle us down."
[22:47]

Baron Davis concurs, stressing the importance of developing a robust press break to counteract Indiana's aggressive defense.

Baron Davis:
"Shot, get him out the front of the defense."
[24:11]

Despite their optimism about the Knicks' abilities, both express skepticism about the team's chances of overcoming the current series deficit.

Baron Davis:
"I want to believe the Knicks gonna win this series, but I just don't see it happening, BD."
[24:14]

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4. Discussion on Wolves-Thunder Series

Timestamp: [43:14]

The conversation shifts to the Wolves-Thunder playoff series, where Baron Davis analyzes Minnesota's performance and Oklahoma City's potential to advance.

Baron Davis:
"They gotta get some home cooking. They gotta get some home cooking. You need Dante to play better. You're going to need Nas Reed to be better."
[43:14]

Draymond Green reflects on the importance of role players stepping up and maintaining performance under pressure.

Draymond Green:
"Role players do what they play better at home."
[42:37]

They highlight the necessity for Minnesota to recalibrate and improve individual performances to withstand Oklahoma City's offense.

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5. Steve Kerr's Comments on Jonathan Kuminga's Future

Timestamp: [35:17]

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around Coach Steve Kerr's recent remarks about Jonathan Kuminga's role in the Warriors' future.

Baron Davis:
"Jonathan is gifted and wants to play a bigger role and wants to play more. And for me, I've been asked to win. And right now he's not a guy who I can say, I'm going to play 38 minutes with the roster that we have."
[35:17]

Draymond Green offers his perspective on the situation, suggesting that while he may not fully agree with Kerr, he respects the coach's decision-making process.

Draymond Green:
"You have to figure out what's going to work for you and that's going to happen anyway."
[36:19]

Baron Davis advises Kuminga to focus on his career and not get bogged down by internal team dynamics, emphasizing the importance of personal performance and adaptability.

Baron Davis:
"Just put it in words. So, moving on. I don't think it's that big of a deal. Free agency is happening. You gotta figure that out."
[36:00]

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6. Draymond Green's All-Defensive Team Honors

Timestamp: [24:49]

The discussion shifts to Draymond Green's personal achievement of being named to the First Team All-Defensive for the fifth time in his career.

Draymond Green:
"It makes the engine turn. Right?"
[25:27]

Baron Davis praises Green's consistency and dedication, noting the honor of being recognized alongside younger players who are also making significant impacts defensively.

Baron Davis:
"It's such an honor to be up there with those guys because I remember being that young guy in the league and like, still seeing Tim Duncan making all defensive teams."
[26:00]

Green reflects on the physical toll that anchoring the defense takes, underscoring the importance of teamwork and strategic roles within the team structure.

Draymond Green:
"It's hard battling every night guys who outweigh me by 60 to 80 pounds..."
[27:15]

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7. Player Performances and Clutch Moments

Timestamp: [18:00]

The hosts highlight standout performances from players like Tyrese Halliburton, drawing parallels to legendary moments in NBA history.

Baron Davis:
"Tyrese Halliburton made four game-time or go-ahead field goals in the final five seconds of the fourth quarter. That's third behind Reggie Miller with five and LeBron James with eight."
[18:36]

They discuss the potential future impact of such performances and the importance of maintaining composure during high-pressure situations.

Draymond Green:
"Every possession, I have to put myself in a position to stop a fire."
[19:21]

Baron Davis shares a personal memory from his choir days, illustrating the depth of his relationship with Draymond and providing a glimpse into his early life.

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8. Conclusion

As the episode wraps up, Draymond Green and Baron Davis provide their final thoughts on the ongoing playoff series, emphasizing the unpredictability of basketball and the importance of resilience.

Baron Davis:
"We'll be back. We'll talk more about these conference finals as they go. We'll see if Minnesota is able to make it a series and if your Knicks tape can bounce back. Till next time. That's a wrap from the Draymond Green show with my brother, Baron Davis."
[43:50]

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Key Takeaways:

• The Knicks faced a significant setback against the Pacers, leading to questions about their ability to rebound in the series.
• Strategies such as improving the press break and diversifying offensive plays are crucial for the Knicks moving forward.
• Steve Kerr's comments on Jonathan Kuminga have stirred discussions about team dynamics and player roles within the Warriors.
• Draymond Green's consistent defensive prowess continues to earn him accolades, highlighting his importance to the team's success.
• Player performances in clutch moments can significantly influence the outcome of playoff series, underscoring the need for mental toughness and strategic execution.

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Notable Quotes:

• Baron Davis on Playoff Loss:
  "When you win a game in the playoff series, like, you literally win the game and you look up and your record has one more loss. It's hard to come back from that."
  [04:15]

• Draymond Green on Defensive Responsibilities:
  "If Jalen Brunson is your primary ball handler, your primary scorer, and Carlisle starts to trap him, you got to figure out who else can bring the ball up and settle us down."
  [22:47]

• Baron Davis on All-Defensive Honors:
  "It's such an honor to be up there with those guys because I remember being that young guy in the league and like, still seeing Tim Duncan making all defensive teams."
  [26:00]

• Draymond Green on Team Strategy:
  "Role players do what they play better at home."
  [42:37]

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This episode offers deep insights into the challenges and strategies of NBA playoff basketball, providing listeners with expert analysis from seasoned athletes. Whether you're a Knicks supporter or following the broader playoff narratives, Draymond Green and Baron Davis deliver a comprehensive and engaging discussion.

Transcript

[Draymond Green]

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[Baron Davis]

The Volume what's up everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond Green show with my brother bd. What's happening, my dog?

[Draymond Green]

What's up big dog?

[Baron Davis]

Playoffs is crazy, bro. I know you was at that game the other night.

[Draymond Green]

I know.

[Baron Davis]

Obviously I was there. How you feeling after your Knicks tape fell off, bro? Oh man.

[Draymond Green]

Defeated. Depleted, you know, just kind of like punched in there. Like you know how you get the wind Knocked out of you. When you standing in front of somebody when you was a kid and. And you don't know if you really about to fight that person, but they take off on you and give you one in the gun and knock the wind out of you. You like, oh, damn. Okay, this may probably be a fight like, how I'm gonna hit this fool back. I gotta get my win back. But that's how I felt, bro. That's how I felt. I think, you know, the Knicks played great for, you know, 45 minutes of the basketball. They wanted to play the last three minutes of those 48, you know, they kind of just start unraveling. And I don't think it was the pressure of, oh, the Eastern Conference finals or this and that. I just think that they kind of, like, lost focus. You know, sometimes you can get up and shit is going, well, you're the aggressor. And then all of a sudden, a couple things don't go your way, and then you get in panic mode. And that's what I think. I think the turnovers, I think the ability not to handle Indiana's pressure down the stretch, you know, we didn't show a lot of poise. That was my takeaway. It was a gut punch, right? It was like we got the wind knocked out of us big time. The whole city.

[Baron Davis]

It's tough, man. When you win a game in the playoff series, like, you literally win the game and you look up and your record has one more loss. It's one thing to get outplayed and lose a game. You know what I'm saying? It's one thing for the ball not to go in. All of these things happen. But when you won the game and you lose in a playoff series, like, completely just give the game away. It's hard to come back from that because a, again, it's one thing if you're just the superior team and you lost focus and you're like, oh, man, we'll get it together. We bought those guys. But when you're remotely close teams, you gonna have one bad game throughout the series where the ball just don't go in. And so you're fighting an uphill battle for the rest of the series to try to make this game up. And when I look at this, at that collapse the other day, you look at Cat, you know, I watch interviews, like, interviews tell you a lot. You look at Cat in the post game, he could barely get to a sentence. Him and Jalen Brunson sat up there together. Jalen did most of the talking, like, you could just tell they were crushed. And you gotta come back from that. Like.

[Draymond Green]

Yep.

[Baron Davis]

And I just don't know if they can recover from that gut punch. Like, end of the day, series is 1 0. But all wins aren't created equal. Yeah, the series is just one off, but now they have to fight to win the game. They also have to fight this feeling that anytime they get a lead in the rest of this series, it's gonna.

[Draymond Green]

Be like, oh, man.

[Baron Davis]

Oh, my God. Like, don't. Don't do it. Like, we can't do that again. We know what's gonna happen.

[Draymond Green]

Yep, yep. All that shit.

[Baron Davis]

So you're fighting that too now and.

[Draymond Green]

Yep.

[Baron Davis]

We were sitting up there by the Billy Joel sign. Like, we was up there with the guy to go to, the dude that played the organ.

[Draymond Green]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Baron Davis]

We was sitting up there with him.

[Draymond Green]

He called. He called.

[Baron Davis]

He crazy. We were sitting up there with him. I had a bird's eye view. And one thing I noticed, and I was really shocked because you like to think that Knicks fan would want to take all of it in, like, winning. They want to winning in the conference finals for the Knicks. Like, they want to feel every emotion they could feel throughout. And so I was shocked to see about four or five minutes to go, a few fans leaving. Were you one of those fans that.

[Draymond Green]

Was leaving, man, that's jacked up because we up 14. We drove to the game. So we parked in the parking structure.

[Baron Davis]

I didn't even know they were parking in New York City.

[Draymond Green]

Yeah, man. It's a parking structure right across the street from the Garden. So me and my homie, we go to the parking structure. And if you ever been in a parking lot in New York City, it give me anxiety, man. They park on the side, up the ramp. I'm like, how the hell you get out of here? How they get all these cars in here? First of all, how they gonna get all these cars outta here? So I'm thinking, like, damn, bro, we on the fourth floor, right? It's gonna take us about an hour and a half if we don't be the first people to walk out of here and be in our car and start moving down the ramp, you know what I mean? Before everybody start coming out, about two minutes to go. We up 14. Me and Homie sitting there, I'm like, damn, bro. He like, man, he feeling good. He and Nick's fan, he like, yeah, we got this. I'm like, yeah. I'm like, damn. I'm thinking about this parking so we sitting there talking for like the next 30 seconds. I'm like, man, let's just shoot to the parking lot. You feel me? Let's shoot to the parking lot. So good thing I don't know where I'm going. I was kind of disoriented, so I walk. So I walk to leave. I run into Junior Swizz. He on the other side. He like, boom, come sit with me and Melo. I'm like, oh, man, you know, the game over, swish. He was like, man, come sit with us. I go over there, sit on the floor, say, what's up to lj, all of Nick alumni, you know. Next thing you know, Indiana down 8, right? We talking Indiana down 5. Now we over there panicking.

[Baron Davis]

Now we over there, yo, close out the game. Like, come on, man.

[Draymond Green]

I mean, like, you know, everybody said something. Everybody like, come on, man, shit, you know, all we gotta do is protect the ball, make some free throws. And then when Halliburton shot the ball, I was like, man, there's no way this shit gonna go in right, man, when the ball bounced, I started walking out the arena, dude. I was like, damn, it's over. I thought he hit a three. And somebody was like, oh, it was a two. I came back, I said, spree, is it a two? He was like, yeah, it was a two. I was like, damn. Cheers. The homie was already at the parking lot. He kept mobbing. He kept mobbing to the parking lot. I call him. I'm like, yo, where you at? He was like, man, we beat the traffic. I'm about to pick you up. I'm like, nah, dawg, it's overtime. You may need to get back in here.

[Baron Davis]

He like, what?

[Draymond Green]

So the damn. Like, you shouldn't have left that game. And it was some big Nick fans that was leaving on my side too. That was like, woo, man. Like. I was like, how you feeling? He was like, man, it's gonna depend on how this. How the outcome of this game. And he left like a minute. So I don't know if that dude even made it home safe. He probably cried something. He probably crashed something.

[Baron Davis]

Listen, bro, the energy in this city is crazy. I saw people last night. I know guys who own different restaurants and social clubs where they said the vibe was so crazy in the places.

[Draymond Green]

Oh, my God, it was crazy.

[Baron Davis]

And then once the game ended, it.

[Draymond Green]

Was just like, silence.

[Baron Davis]

Yeah, everybody. Everybody started going home like the night was over. It's crazy because me and Chuck was standing up there five minutes before with the end game. We like, ooh, man, New York City is about to be great tonight. And it just fell apart. I couldn't believe it. Like I couldn't believe it. Just went silent, what I was watching. And now I'm so excited to go to the game tonight because as a player in these moments, one of the things that Steve talks about oftentimes in these hot pressure moments is, yo, let's make that crowd nervous. Let's go in here. Three, three, game seven. And I've obviously been in this situation a bunch of times with Steve Kerr. Let's go in here, play our game. Let it fly. We letting it rip. You open. Let it rip. We ain't got nothing to lose. Like, we good, we here. We already know how this is gonna go. And then he say, let's make that crowd nervous. Let's put some doubt in the crowd. We want to hear the angst that you want to hear that from the crowd. I'm looking forward to tonight and just seeing the angst of the crowd because if they miss them first few shots, it's going to be like, it's going to be so much angst. And that's what I'm here to see. Man, you gotta make the crowd nervous. And if I'm Indiana, I'm coming in here to make this crowd so nervous. If Indiana start the game how they started game one, they hit like their first eight or nine shots in game.

[Draymond Green]

Yeah, they hit a bunch of shots.

[Baron Davis]

You looked up, they were up four points. I was like, man, that's not good. But if they start off hitting shots like they did in game one, I'm just telling you, ah, it's gonna be tough. BD.

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[Draymond Green]

You gotta play the game, right? And so it's a new game. So at some point you gotta put game one behind. You gotta come out and know that you played great basketball. You had control, you know, for 45 minutes that's all you gotta do is close. Then you gotta get to Indiana and you can steal one because the matchups is there. I still think the Knicks have the superior matchups. I still think that they will beat Indiana and will beat Indiana And Indiana and, you know, the playoffs, you know, the Eastern Conference finals starts when somebody wins on the road, so it started there. Yeah, it did. It's on and cracking. Yeah, it's on and cracking. I mean, you talk about stealing one, right? That was thievery at its finest, man. What do you think about Tyrese Halliburton? He hit the Reggie Miller choke celebration. Oh, that was cold blooded, man.

[Baron Davis]

Hey, as much as I love the choke celebration and I pray to God the NBA don't find him. We take so many things so literal. And like, in today's day and age, you can't act like you're choking someone. And like, let's face it. Oh, my gosh, let's face it.

[Draymond Green]

Come on.

[Baron Davis]

The guy is not really buying chokes no more. And so I hope the NBA don't find him, because that's what we paying to see. Like, you talk about entertainers being entertainers. You talk about stars being stars on the biggest stage after Mecca. Like, the stars showing up. I pray the NBA don't find him. But I will tell you this about the choke. My favorite thing about the choke was Tyrese after the game saying, ah, I don't know if I should have used it in game one.

[Draymond Green]

That's what I'm saying.

[Baron Davis]

That's my favorite.

[Draymond Green]

That shit can make up. It may come back to haunt you.

[Baron Davis]

Killing. Ooh, hey, I'm telling you, that was my favorite part of the show. He said, I don't know if I should have used it in game one, but I'm here to say I think he should use it if they went in game two. I think he should use it if they went in game three, game four, game five.

[Draymond Green]

Yeah, just be the villain.

[Baron Davis]

Like, just lean into it at this point now. Cause the world back down the court with Reggie Miller himself in the building. Spike Lee in the building.

[Draymond Green]

Spike wasn't there.

[Baron Davis]

Spike wasn't in the building.

[Draymond Green]

Nah, Spike wasn't in the building.

[Baron Davis]

I thought Spike was in the building.

[Draymond Green]

Okay, Dave Chappelle was in the building.

[Baron Davis]

That's shocking. Spike wasn't feeling. I told you. Listen, from where we were sitting, you couldn't see who. You couldn't see it.

[Draymond Green]

They look like magnets.

[Baron Davis]

Yeah, you could. I thought Spike. But to run down the court like this, man, that's ill, bro. That's crazy. I can't believe you did that.

[Draymond Green]

That's ill. Tyrese Halliburton made four game time or go ahead field goals in the final five seconds of the fourth quarter. That's third behind Reggie Miller with five and LeBron James with eight. Since 1997, the year I graduated from high school. You weren't even born yet, bro.

[Baron Davis]

That's crazy. Don't do me like that. I was seven. You was a young junior deacon. You feel me? Yeah, absolutely. I was seven. Still in Sunday school every Sunday. Didn't go to church, you know what I'm saying? For sure. I was still in church choir at that age.

[Draymond Green]

You better believe me, too, bro.

[Baron Davis]

You have to. I got out the church choir bd. We was singing, you know, Kirk Franklin, There's a Man Standing. I had the first part, There's a Man Standing. And I was almost talking it. And my family talked about me so bad. They said. I said, there's a man. Oh, yeah. And that was the end of my. That was the end of my choir days when they talked about how I let out with the song. But yeah, bro, at that time. That's crazy, though.

[Draymond Green]

I put you at the alto. We gotta put you in the back. The alto.

[Baron Davis]

They had me to lead off batter. I set the tone. It wasn't a good tone. He was done.

[Draymond Green]

He was done after that.

[Baron Davis]

I remember my outfit, though. It's for Easter Sunday. I had some new black jeans my mom had bought me and a red number one Maryland Terrapins jersey. I don't know why it was a football church. Yeah, bro. I ain't had no money like that. I ain't had no extra outfit. I had to wear that. I had to wear that outfit to school on Monday.

[Draymond Green]

Damn.

[Baron Davis]

I had to wear the outfit to school on Monday.

[Draymond Green]

Damn. Damn.

[Baron Davis]

That was my Easter. That was my Easter Sunday outfit. And the last name on the back of the number one Maryland Terrapin jersey, it just said Terrapins. So that was my choir days. 97. That's what I had going on, baby.

[Draymond Green]

That's so killer, man, bro.

[Baron Davis]

Brunson, obviously clutch player of the year when I'm looking at this Pacer team, though. Teams all year has watched Jalen Bruston dominate the fourth quarter. And I thought Rick Carlisle did one good thing, and it was alarming to me. Rick Carlisle in the fourth, late in the fourth quarter, in overtime, start trapping Jalen Russ. And I don't think he's seen traps all year. And one of the alarming things to me about that BD was you're always in game one looking for the adjustment for game two. And unfortunately for the Knicks, the Pacers get to make all the adjustments that they know lost in the game. But they won the game. And So I think Rick Carlisle was like, yeah, we gonna start blissing them next game. And then like you said, 14 turned into 11, 11 turned into 8, 8 turned into 5, 5 turned to 2, and all of a sudden, Ricardo, maybe we got a chance to win this game. We gonna start blitzing now. And they start blitzing. And one of the alarming things to me was Jalen Brunson in the blitz. As soon as the trap start to converge on, he had a problem. He never looked up. Every time the blitz came, two guys he tried to split like one guy he tried to split. Yeah. And then he threw some of the passes, he jumped out of bounds. Even if you don't blitz him the whole game, if Indiana feel like they don't blitz him the whole game, I think you have to give Jalen Brunson a different coverage in the fourth quarter, then you do the rest of the game. And if I'm them every fourth quarter, I'm trapping the hell out of him. Because OG Anunoby, none of those guys have been in these positions much to take over the game down the stretch. OG Had a couple game winners and that's fine, but they haven't consistently had to make the plays down the stretch because Jalen makes them and he's made them all year, and I want to put them guys in that position. So in the fourth quarter, I need to see a totally different gameplay.

[Draymond Green]

Yeah, I think the Knicks need to work on the price break. Right. If Jalen Brunson is your primary ball handler, your primary scorer, and Carlisle starts to trap him, you got to figure out who else can bring the ball up and settle us down. And I think putting that pressure on Jalen Brunson to try and beat two people every time and him putting that pressure on himself right is really. You ain't worked on a press break. You gotta work on some pressure releases, get Mikael Bridges in the middle of the floor or OG you gotta put pressure, you gotta put pressure on pressure. And I think the Knicks, what they did was they kind of like allowed the pressure to happen and then tried to force. That's what pressure does. It creates force and it forces you to do things instead of creating more pressure on their defense. If it's a two man trap, then it should be a three on three on two on the back end. And the Knicks never like, they never got a wide open shot, a layup, a foul, or even let the shot clock expire. Right. That was my issue. We need a press break and we need to figure out a Way if Jalen Brunson gonna start getting double team and trapped at the end of the game, he gotta get off the Rock and he gotta get the rock back with 8, 7 seconds on the shot clock. So if they double again, at least we, we go get a wide open.

[Baron Davis]

Shot, get him out the front of the defense.

[Draymond Green]

Who you got winning this series?

[Baron Davis]

Man, I want to believe the Knicks gonna win this series, but I just don't see it happening in bd.

[Draymond Green]

Oh, my gosh.

[Baron Davis]

I want to believe they gonna win it. Pascal Siakam played not that good and they won this game, and that's trouble. Miles Turner effectively got benched and they won game one. Bd. That's trouble, man. I know trouble when I see it. I grew up in Saginaw like you grew up in South Central. You know trouble when you see it coming from a mile away. That's trouble. Bd.

[Draymond Green]

All right, Dove nation, what up? We gotta start this segment by congratulating you. Name first team all defensive for the fifth time in your career. Nine all defensive teams in the 13 year career, bro. Congratulations. Well deserved. I also want to add in which I have been saying all year, on the podcast, Steve Kerr said at the end of the season, he mentioned that starting us center, I think is doable for the last 30 games like we did this year. But as you see, it takes a toll on him. One, congratulations.

[Baron Davis]

Appreciate you, bro.

[Draymond Green]

What do you think about, you know, those comments? Cause I agree. I've been saying that all year. When Draymond Green does not have to assume all of the defensive responsibilities, then it makes. It makes the engine, engine turn. Right?

[Baron Davis]

First off, thank you. For me to be on all defense, first team, and look at the guys next to me, 26 years old, 23 years old, 22 years old, 22 years old. I'm sitting there looking at that like, wow, man. Like, I remember being a young guy in the league and like, still seeing Tim Duncan making all defensive teams, you know what I'm saying? Like, dang, yo, he's still doing it. And to be just finished completed year 13 and still up there with those young guys. And like, it's such an honor to be up there with those guys because I remember being that young guy and I know that grind of like, yo, what you striving for? And so to understand their mindset of where they are in their careers and how every day looks for them and knowing how every day looks for me and where I am in my career and to still be up there, bro, it's Such an honor, and I'm ecstatic. To have five first teams is a big deal to me, and I tell you why that's huge, because it's one thing to be on our defensive team. I love it. But I had the pleasure and honor of having Chris Paul as a teammate last year. And, bro, I think CP got like, seven first teams. So it actually inspired me. I said it to CP last year, like, see, you got seven first teams. And so I want that, you know? And, man, to be on that list is incredible. And as far as Steve, what Steve said, God bless his heart, his.

[Draymond Green]

Yeah, it was real.

[Baron Davis]

Because playing the five, it's hard. Like, it's hard. And I'm always down to do it, as you know, bro, like, any challenge you throw my way, I'll take on the challenge. But it's hard battling every night guys who outweigh me by 60 to 80 pounds and they 4, 4 inches, 4, 5, 6, 7 inches taller than me. It does take a toll. And in most situations for me, where I notice this takes a toll, like, I come out in the first half because I still got my legs and, like, the J ball is fire, you know what I'm saying? Then I come out in the second half where you've been battling, you can't even feel it. You anchor in the defense, you know what I'm saying? I don't think people understand the toll of what anchoring the defense requires. That mean every possession, I have to put myself in a position to stop a fire, you know what I'm saying? To, like, help stop something, it takes a lot, you know what I'm saying? But like I always say, I'm cut out for whenever our organization need to go to it. I'm right here. Let's do it. I ain't gonna never complain about it, but I agree with Steve. If we can have a different starting center and at some point, if we need to go to that, cool. But it's a lot. And as I get older and older in this league, it becomes tougher and tougher. These guys get younger, more athletic, and like I said, I think I'm more than capable of hanging with the young guys and athleticism, but it does take its toll. So I agree.

[Draymond Green]

Yeah, you need a matchup. You can't be matched up with everybody. And looking at the time now is you switching out to A1, you switching out to Anthony Edwards, you switching out to Julius Randle, you switching out to Naz Reed, you got Rudy Gobert, you gotta stand him up. You got Sagon, you got Adams, you got you trying to stand them up, you trying to switch off to Jalen Green, you know, it becomes the toll, right? Because now all you thinking about is defense, defense, defense, defense, defense. Because that's the only real energy that you have to get that rebound or to stop that pick and roll. So on the offensive end, I always say this is. It takes away from, you know, from you because you are more of a. You're an offensive playmaker for the team. So if you don't feel like you can make a play, you can finish a play, you can shoot the ball to keep the defense honest, then it kind of disrupts the offensive flow. But if you can come in and say, hey, I'm going guarding a power forward all game, and then I'm going to wind up on Sagun at the end of the game, then it makes your job easier, right? And it makes anchoring easy, but it also save a lot of legs, your intellect, you know, and you can get more out of Draymond Grave on the offensive end. And, you know, that's what I've been saying all year, but I've been seeing it taking a toll. That's what I. How you feel, man? Cause I can see, like, you wearing down, right? You're wearing down because at every game, you gotta push some big dudes around.

[Baron Davis]

You know what I mean? 1,000% now, I can feel that. So I agree. When I look back at 2022, when we won that championship, bro, I. And specifically I go back to that Denver series just about every game, we will start looney on Joker, and then I switch to Joker. And even if. Even if it's for the first six minutes, bro, again, it makes such a big difference. Even this, for six minutes, loom battle with him, and then I go battle with him. You know what I'm saying? Like, it made. It makes all the difference in the world. So I'm definitely. I'm rolling. I think I can use that. So I love it.

[Draymond Green]

Congrats, my bro. Congrats.

[Baron Davis]

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[Baron Davis]

So yeah, I'm definitely rocking with Steve on that. I agree 100%. And also speaking of Steve comments, I know there's a big fuss about his statement on Jonathan Kaminga yesterday and for our fans out there that haven't seen the statement, I'll give you some context. I think he was on with Tim Kawakami and they were talking about jk and Steve's answer was it's a tricky one because Jonathan obviously is gifted and wants to play a bigger role and wants to play more. And for me I've been asked to win. And right now he's not a guy who I can say, I'm going to play 38 minutes with the roster that we have, Steph, Jimmy and Draymond and put the puzzle together that way and expect to win. And so I think, you know, when I look at that statement, I think I take a couple things away from that statement. One being he said, with this roster that we have, I'm not sure he didn't say that Jonathan Kaminga can't play 38 minutes anywhere and be a successful player and be an impactful player and possibly reach his promise. That's not what he said. He said, with this roster, I don't see how that piece fits. Now, do I agree with that? I don't know that I necessarily agree, because you just haven't seen it. And so I'm not of the mindset that something just doesn't work that you haven't had the chance to see much of. But also in saying that, I think when you look at Steve, one thing that he's shown as a coach, is he going to make the decision that he think is best, regardless of what it comes with. We're talking about the same man, the same legend that didn't play Jayson Tatum in the Olympics and dealt with all flat that came with that. But at the end, to his point, his ultimate goal is to win, and they won the gold medal, and that's what he set out to do. So here I understand what he's saying. I'm. I'm not. I don't necessarily agree because we just haven't seen it and seen much of it. So to. To actually know if it does work. But if you jk, you got to make the best decision for you. You got to try to put yourself in the best position that you can possibly put yourself in. And so I wouldn't get caught up into Steve said this or Steve said that. I think if you're Jonathan Kamiga in this moment, Steve Kerr is Steve Kerr. He's a legend. He will be a Hall of Famer. These are just the facts. And so in saying that, I'm not sure it's worth getting caught up into the man he said this. My next interview, whenever that may be, I need to respond. Quite frankly, I don't think JK should have a next interview until after free agency, because for what? And I think in this position where JK has to be careful, is Steve Kerr is the legend. Steve Kerr is one of the greatest coaches we've seen. JK can only lose here. Like, he can say something Back. It could be the wrong thing. But he can only lose here. He has nothing to gain from trying to say something back, trying to respond to that. And he can only lose and hurt himself. So don't say nothing like free agency is happening. You gotta go into free agency. Whether that's, you know, he's a restrictive free agent, you gotta figure out what's going to work for you and that's going to happen anyway. So I would just say, man, Steve gonna believe what he believes and his beliefs as work. He won four championships, so I'm not going to sit here and argue or go back and forth about his beliefs. And I don't think JK should either. But at the same time, if I'm JK and I'm in them shoes, I heard it, I need to move accordingly, figure out what's for me. But Steve sit here and question why he got four championships and when. And I'll remind you, last time I said that to him, I said, wow, coach, we got four of them things. He said, I ain't got four, I got nine, you got four. So that man know how to win. And there's no point in sitting here trying to question what he knows. It's been proven that he knows how to win. He knows what it takes to win. I think JK is going to be a great player. Whether he show that with the warriors or show that somewhere else, that's on him to figure that out and his team to figure that out. But what's been proven is Steve Kerr know how to win and JK is incredible talent. Those things are mutually exclusive. Both things can be true and they cannot work together. And that happens in this league all the time. It is what it is. I wouldn't make too much of it. I don't think he should make too much of it. I know Steve won't make too much of it. I think jk, you heard it. It is what it is. I'm not sure that him saying that in words is any different than A, any conversation he's had with JK or B, what you kind of thought anyway. So it's been said in words, it's been put in front of you, but I don't think it's really much different than what you already thought. Just put it in words. So, moving on. I don't think it's that big of a deal. Free agency is happening. You gotta figure that out. You gotta navigate it in passing before we get outta here. I know we haven't Talked about the OKC Minnesota series much? It's obviously Minnesota's down 02. So to your point of a road team not winning, it just don't feel like the series is even going on. Who you got winning that series? Like, can Minnesota put it together? Do you think they can come back? And if not, how long it's taking OKC to end that series?

[Draymond Green]

I don't know. I just. I go to a quote by a legend, a young legend, Draymond Green, and he says, role players do what they.

[Baron Davis]

Play better at home.

[Draymond Green]

So we'll see what happens when OKC still won in Minnesota, then that's when the series happens. Yeah, part until then, we gotta wait till game three to see what Minnesota is really going to bring to the table. But you know, you look at that 13, you know, the big blowout, then they lost last night by like 13, 14 or whatnot. Can the role players be 13, 15, 16 points better? Can Anthony Edwards be 10 points better? Julius Randle, Right, so they have room for improvement. But you gotta, you gotta go serve on your home court.

[Baron Davis]

You definitely gotta go home. They gotta get some home cooking. You need Dante to play better. You're going to need Nas Reed to be better. Right. Like, to your point of the role players, and I think Minnesota's getting a little caught up in the whole Shay foul bait conversation because I can see some of their reactions to Shay when he get fouled, right? Like Ant man throwing the ball at him in game one. Jayda McDaniels just pushing you down in game two. I love Jaden McDaniel's answer. He stood on, he said, I just wanted to follow, like. And he ended up getting a flag on one for it. But to me, that looked like frustration and OKC can possibly be feeding on that. So, you know, I think, you know, we need to see them guys, you know, recalibrate, get home, gather themselves, you know, make a couple adjustments. But the number one adjustment going to be like, the stars got to play better. Like, Julius had a really good game one, and I think starting they had 20 at halftime and then he didn't touch the ball the first nine minutes of the second half and it changed everything. So you're going to need those guys to be great. But in saying that OKC look like they gonna be too much for these boys, they rolling. We'll see, man. But we gonna get out of here. We'll be back. We'll talk more about these conference finals as they go. We'll see if Minnesota able to make it a series and if your Knicks tape if they can bounce back. Till next time. That's a wrap from the Draymond Green show with my brother, Baron Davis.

[Draymond Green]

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[Baron Davis]

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Why is a soap opera western like Yellowstone so wildly successful? The American west with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network, so join me starting Tuesday, May 6, where we'll delve into stories of the west and come to understand how it helps inform the ways in which we experience the region today.

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