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It's Jeff C from Club 520 podcast here to share my latest fresh take on the 2025 NCAA tournament brought to you by Wendy's the official Hamburger of March Madness. This past weekend was a great round 32. I had the best game of the year. Had to be the Maryland versus Colorado State game. It ended with a game winner. It was exciting. Derrick Queen Good shot. Looking ahead to the Sweet 16. I'm really looking forward to watching Arkansas versus Texas Tech. I'm looking forward to it because it's similar styles. They both play hard defense, they both greedy teams and they play in the post. It should be a battle for the ages. I'm also looking forward to the Duke vs. Arizona game. Both elite programs. Legendary status. It should be a battle that we all looking forward to. Probably be the game of the night. And when it comes to the Final Four, I'm all in on Duke and Houston. Two great coaches, two legendary programs. Should be exciting for their road to the Final Four. More from me soon. But while you're watching the games, remember the freshest deal in fast foods Gotta be Wendy's. Right now you can get a junior bacon cheeseburger or a double stack for $1 with the in app. Offer and purchase. Again. Head to the Wendy's app to grab a $1 Junior bacon cheeseburger or a $1 double stack with the in app offer and a purchase for the freshest hamburger around. Gotta be Wendy's, the official hamburger of March Madness.
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Jeff C
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Draymond Green
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Jeff C
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Draymond Green
What'S up everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond Green show with my brother, Baron Davis. How you feeling my dog?
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Jeff C
What's up my bro? I'm feeling good, I'm feeling good. How you feeling? Most importantly, I feel great, brother.
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Draymond Green
I feel amazing. Happy to be out of Miami and on to the next city. About time to get the hell out of Miami. But other than that, I feel spectacular, man.
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Jeff C
Good, good, good.
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Draymond Green
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Jeff C
And don't forget to follow us on all social media at Draymond Show. You don't want to miss all the exciting news. All right, Dub Nation, what's happening? Jimmy's return to Miami didn't go as planned as we saw, but it seemed like the environment in Miami wasn't. I mean, I wouldn't say it wasn't so tough, but you know, you just never know going home. What was the biggest takeaway from from that Heat game? Because I know it was a lot of pressure for him and just a lot of pressure for y'all to want to win that game and just the way they've been playing, it wouldn't seem. The environment wouldn't seem tough. But I want you to describe what it was like.
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Draymond Green
The atmosphere was actually cool. It was actually one of the best atmospheres I've ever seen at a Miami game. You know, usually when you play in Miami, to start started the game, the stands are half field, start the whole third quarter, the stands are half field. You know, people come back in the fourth quarter when the clubs close in the arena. That's usually how the Miami games are. People were in their seats for this game, which I found very interesting. To me, it sounded like their crowd was a little confused. It sounded like they felt like they were supposed to be booing Jimmy, but.
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Jeff C
He got so much love.
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Draymond Green
It's so much love there. And so it wasn't quite the amount of boos that you thought, you know, with, with how the whole situation played out that there would be. But quite honestly, I don't think there should have been a million boos because at the end of the day, Jimmy has had an opportunity to leave in free agency or go into free agency, and he decided to sign an extension to stay with the team. Every year people continue to ask, they gonna bring in Damian Lillard, they're gonna bring in Giannis Antetokounmpo, they're gonna bring in this person, they're gonna bring in that person to double down and help Jimmy take this team to a championship happen. And so at a certain point, Jimmy's in year 14, he's given them seven years of his career. At a certain point you just gotta appreciate what somebody's given and just like they move on and it is what it is. And saying that people aren't always rational and it is what it is. But I do think the environment was cool. It wasn't one of the toughest environments. But what did not help is that they were, they like, they turned into a bunch of Steph Curry's out there. Like they shot 18 for 25 from 3 BD. That's unheard of.
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Jeff C
Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy numbers. And then you know what? I, I'm watching the game and I'm like, damn, do you miss wig? Right? You know, talk about how weird or just like playing against Wiggins, you know, he, he played good, he made timely shots. Same thing as we know him for with Dub Nation, you know, speak to that.
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Draymond Green
It was weird. You know, you've gone to war with a guy for the last, what, five years and one championship built A relationship. My kids cried when. When they found out Wiggs was gone because his. His. His kids and my kids have a great relationship, and they cried when they found out he was gone. I told Wiggs. I was like, man. So I saw him, obviously, right after the trade deadline and All Star break, and I was like, wiggs, man. My kids was crying when they found out that your girls were gone. He was like, bro, that's the only thing Amaya kept saying. It's like, wait, so I don't get to see my friends anymore? And so there's just so much more than just basketball there. So to see a brother, your brother on the other side, it was definitely weird. Obviously, I'm pissed off we lost to the game. We needed to win and wanted to win. But I'm also happy to see Wiggs play well because, again, the love that's there, it's bigger than just a game. You know what I'm saying? I'm happy to see him playing well, starting to find his footing, because I think he got so much of his career left ahead of him. To see him starting to find his footing, finding his rhythm down in that system, I think it's great. So I was happy to see him play well, although it resulted in us in a loss. But you'd hate to see him struggle.
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Jeff C
Yeah. Nah, it just felt weird, you know, seeing him do that for them and knowing that, you know, all them shots and all the plays he making was timely. And then, man, I need a Steph Curry update. Like, what's the. What's the word on the Chef?
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Draymond Green
He practiced today. Full practice. We actually got up and down. We played a little bit. So he did that, which was great to see. Hit a couple threes right out the gate. That was beautiful to see. And then he got a full workout in after, and at one point, I watched him make, like, 27 in a row from. From the right wing. So hopefully all signs is pointing to him playing in the New Orleans game. At least that's what we hope. There's been no official clearance given yet, but the hope is that he. That he's. You know, obviously, you go through a full practice, you go through a full workout the way he did. The most important thing now is about how you wake up feeling in the morning. And so we'll see how he wakes up feeling in the morning. But I think all signs will be pointing to him returning, and, you know, we need it, because these games we gotta lock in. Hopefully, like I said, he looked good, and hopefully, you know, he Wake up in the morning on the right side of it so we can get it cracking.
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Jeff C
I like opportunities like this. Like you coming off, you know, a tough loss in Miami, right? The road trip ain't off to the right track, and then you get a. You get a good practice.
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Draymond Green
Yes, sir.
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Jeff C
Talk about that. Like, sometimes you just need to get a good practice in to be a little upset, to be mad about something, to realize, like, hey, let's get this thing back on track. Then to see Steph Curry in practice. I remember that happened for us and our. We believe here. Like, you know, we're on the road, we couldn't get a win. And I came back and practiced the next day, and it was just like the camaraderie, you know, like to be able to get up and down and be at full right and have your leader there. Talk about that a little bit, just the importance of practicing on the road and then also talk about, you know, Steve Kerr says this all the time. This Pelican game is really important. And talk about the importance of the practice and tell it. Tell me about the importance of this next game against the Pelicans.
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Draymond Green
The practice is really important because the reality is we haven't had any practice time. So you start to see slippage in the game. You know, teams are starting to guard us a certain way now. The teams are adjusting to Jimmy being with us, and there's more film. They're starting to guard us a certain way, and we need practice time to learn how to attack the way that they're guarding us, you know, but without practice time, you're kind of just doing everything on the fly. So to have this practice time today was huge. Also, like you said, coming off of, you know, losing the first two on the road, you kind of need to get back in the saddle, refocus what is it that we're trying to accomplish and, you know, hammer away at those things. And I think that's what we did. And so, like you said, to get up and down was good. Getting out of Miami and, you know, just getting that good sweat and getting, you know, finding that rhythm, I think that was good. So, you know, much needed practice. And then also, like you said, with Steph coming back on the court, you just see a different juice in everybody. Like, you perks everybody up because, you know, the possibilities, you know, what lies ahead. And so I think, you know, overall, just. Just having him back is. It changes a lot. Obviously, we know what it changes on the basketball court, but it changes the demeanor of everybody knowing that you know, these next few games we go into will be whole, you know what I'm saying? And not. Not missing staff, or at least that's the hope, like I said, so come at a good time for us, you know, off to zero. Best case would be to finish this road trip four and two, and if we're able to do that, it's a great road trip. This New Orleans game is so important because, shit, man, we're right there. Like, you know, the Clippers passed us to go seven, take the sixth spot in the west, but we're right there. Obviously, Ty with the same amount of losses. They got a tough couple, tough games that they'll face, but we still face them. So we still control our own destiny. And that's why it's important, because you want to keep yourself in the position of where you control your own destiny. This Pelican's team, they win and beat Minnesota a week and a half ago or so in a game that they weren't expected to win. So we know they're always going to come out and play hard. They want to play spoiler. We just got to come out and play our brand of basketball, handle our business, not fuck around with the game and make sure we take care of our business to start building that momentum back up and make sure we finish these last 10 games strong.
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Jeff C
I like that. You know what else I like about the practice is practicing. Like, not having the ability to practice. You make a lot of mistakes in the game trying to make right. And so practice. If you can get a few good practices in, you make all the mistakes thinking about the counters. You get to walk through the counters. You get to, you know, you get. Get to move through the counters. That's what Nelly was always good about, is like, trying to get us to practice so we could work on counters. Because like you said, like, now that Jimmy is playing, y'all getting scouted, you know, it's a different. It's a different warrior look. So you need that practice to go back and say, okay, they playing me this way, when they playing you that way. You know, what are alternatives? And, you know, it's always great to sharpen those tools.
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Jeff C
Yeah.
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Draymond Green
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Draymond Green
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Jeff C
We just learned that Gary Payton II be out with a thumb injury. Talk about his impact and what needs to be replaced until he gets healthy.
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Draymond Green
Well, I mean, hopefully he's not out for that long, you know, hopefully he's only out for a couple weeks, which will be ideal, you know, if we can get him back. Obviously he's our best point attack, point of attack defender and so, you know, that's always tough to replace. Moses has been stepping up in that aspect, being a great point of attack defender, so he'll have to step that up another level. But GP's impact on the game, it's not just his point of attack defense. GP knows how to find increasing defenses. He's great at finishing around the rim. He plays the dunker spot really well. He's a lob threat for us and so he has a huge impact. He's a great screener for Steph him and Steph has a great Chemistry, you know, and so that definitely has a big impact on our team. It has a big impact on the rotations, I think. There's been so much chatter about JK and what he need to do and how he need to find his lane and this, that and the other. And what I would say with GP Being out is if I'm Jonathan Kaminga, forget what everybody's talking about, forget what everybody's saying. If I'm Jonathan Kaminga right now, I'm saying GP I want to guard the best guard when I come in the game. I want to be the point of attack defender. I'm a hawk, this guard. I'm a change the momentum of the game. I'm going to embrace, yes, I'm going to embrace that because we know he can score, right? Like we know what he's capable of on the offensive end. Imagine him embracing that role and saying, I'm guarding the best defender. I'm picking up, fool. I'm going to work myself to exhaustion because I'm a defend so hard. Like, that's how you win championships. And so if I'm Jonathan Kaminga, that's my mindset. And I think he's more than capable of being that and doing that. And if he does, golly, changes everything.
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Jeff C
I've been saying that if he can take, you know, a piece of angriness, right, he needs to be angry on the defensive end, but also be able to be that, that bridge between you and Jimmy and from what, from what I'm hearing from you is really, he should be the connective tissue, the starting point, right? He should be the weak side block guy. He should be, you know, taking the challeng. You know, I've been saying this all year is Kaminga takes that next level when he decides that he wants to be defensive player of the year, right? Because he has the capabilities of doing that. He also has the offense to do that and his defense is going to be his best offense. And I think it just, it'll open up the world, the world of events for him. But before moving on to upcoming games, speaking of Kaminga, it was a clip of him and Caris Levert. Kaminga was talking trash to each other. And then I, I hear you dropped the line from the top rope. You've been traded seven times. Like, why, why, why does Draymond Green. He just hit him with the cootie grill number one.
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Draymond Green
I, I didn't, I had no idea. The microphone s caught my voice. I thought I was just suddenly at the free throw line. Buttoning. And then I got to my phone, and they like, dick, why you killed him like that? And I'm like, what? Like, my response to my boys, like, dang, y'all caught that? They was like, yeah, the TV caught it for sure. I was like, dang, my bad. And, you know, some of my boys in a group chat from Michigan State, they like, fuck that. He from the other side anyway. Oh, wow. Yeah, a couple of my boys in the group chat also went to Michigan. So then this sparks, this Michigan, Michigan State thing in our group chat. But I actually, I. I know Charis through one of my boys in the group chat that went to Michigan. Kara's a good dude, man. You know, we. We. We banter back and forth on the court. That's just what it is. That's what happens in the game. It's just fun in games, you know, we always gonna banter. But I will tell you the reason I. I jumped in. I was just checking into the game, too, and I butted in because all I heard was he looking at jk, like, at the free throw line. And he was like, you was this close to being trading. That's what he said. Like, you was this close to being traded. And so that's all I heard. I didn't hear anything else that was said. All I heard was, you was this close to being traded. Which was why my response was, bro, you've been traded seven times. Like, what you. How you gonna talk to him about almost being traded? And you'd have been traded seven times? So then Trey. And they picked it up. Trey go, hey, chill, Dre. They just talking. Jump, man. Chill. And then Karris goes. He start talking about me being traded first. But I wasn't hearing none of that. At that point. I had already went off the top rope, and it was what it was.
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Jeff C
It's over.
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Draymond Green
I just took off on down the court.
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T-Mobile Representative
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Jeff C
I took off on down the court.
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Draymond Green
But a. Apparently, JK must have said to him, like, something about, you keep getting traded. And so then he, like, he was this close to being. But I ain't hear all that. All I heard was you was this close to being. And the last thing you gonna do to one of my guys is talk about them being this close to being. I can't. I can't go with that. I can't go with that. But, no, I got a lot of love for Charis, man. Good, dude.
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Jeff C
Yeah. Shout out to Charis. We got love for you, bro. I just like the now of the league. It's a lot of chippiness. You know, everybody talking smack to each other. Like, it's real. Real conversations. And, like, you don't get a lot of that. It's getting back to this macho, macho. Yeah, yeah. Don't cross my tip. It has to. And I like. I like what these young dudes is coming in because they trying to claim their territory. They trying to establish themselves. And you got. Anytime you got the old with the new, it's gonna create some chippiness, right? It's gonna create more competitiveness. And these games have been great to watch because of that.
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Draymond Green
Yep. For sure.
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Jeff C
Real rivalry is gonna be built off of this. You know, people gonna have real vendettas versus teams. And so this part of the season, somebody gonna get bumped. And so it creates a lot of opportunity for rivalries. And I say for the young dudes, like, man, keep talking shit to Draymond.
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Draymond Green
Should, you know, keep talking.
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Jeff C
Keep talking that, you know, like. Yeah, and keep standing up to the OGs, because it. It's just going to build that competitive edge.
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Draymond Green
The reason they should keep talking to me, you know why? Because I talked to every old head when I came in the league. I talked every single one, trying to hear none of that. I don't care what you did before I got here. Go talk to somebody else who you did that against, because you ain't that against me. So I don't got no respect for that. Like, that's the type of time I came in on. So I respect when guys come in that type of time and guys talking the way they talk. And you right, that is how these different rivalries are going to be built, which is going to attack the problem when you start talking about viewership, because you need rivals when you're talking about viewership. And all those things has kind of been torn down. So I'm excited as hell, man, that the league is kind of getting back to that chippiness. Referees are letting guys talk and not causing the double check right away. Like, that's the stuff that people want to see. Nobody want to see somebody say something. Somebody say something back.
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T-Mobile Representative
Boom.
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Draymond Green
Double check. Like, nobody want to see robots play. This is real life.
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Jeff C
Yeah, we need. We need the referees to be chaperones. They need to be chaperones. That's. That's what I say, you know, hey, hey, too close. Call a file every now and again. But. But let these young boys do they thing. Like, they. They. They trying. They trying to climb up on the totem pole. And we need for that to happen. It's a pecking order in the league. It's a hierarchy in the league. These young dudes gotta see it, believe it, and talk about it to themselves.
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Draymond Green
Somebody gotta take this crown. Somebody gotta take the crowd. Can't be the king of the parking lot forever. Somebody got to take the trash talk crowd. We got to see it right now. The young fellas that's leading the charge now, Anthony Edwards, Ja Morant. Them boys leading the chart. Shay don't say a bunch, but Shay hit you with a bunch of. Like, he give you a bunch of facial.
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Jeff C
He got ad libs like his.
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Draymond Green
Like his Instagram caption. Like he give you a bunch of expressions, a bunch of little subtle jabs, but like really in your face talking.
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Jeff C
Paulo be talking to people. He be letting them know.
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Draymond Green
Paulo do talk. These young boys starting to a little bit again. I like that.
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Jeff C
The Pelicans. And next up, you played against Zion Williamson early in the season. You talked about how tough it was, the difference in his game since they traded away Brandon Ingram. And like, what's the philosophy going into a game like this, playing against Zion, especially the way he playing.
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Draymond Green
He's playing great basketball. You know, he's looks like he's in incredible shape. He looks explosive. He looks as explosive as he did at dude, Duke. That's a monster. You know what I'm saying? But he's so much more aggressive now since the trade deadline, since he's been back in the lineup since the trade, he's so much more aggressive to get downhill, and they're running a lot of things to get him downhill. He's really pressing the issue, putting a lot of pressure on the rim. So, you know, you just, like I always say, you gotta meet force with force. Zion is gonna always come very forceful, and in order to match him, you have to meet that force with force. If you don't, you get ran over. And that's just what it is. And so hopefully he plays tomorrow. I know he had been out the last few games since they played Minnesota. You know, I love playing against guys like Zion because they like, when you play against the guys, they bring the best out of you. You know what I'm saying? They bring you. You know, you got to bring your A game and they bring the best out of you. So I hope he plays tomorrow. You know, like I said, I always look forward to a matchup, especially against these younger guys, too, because it allows you to see where you. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, they legs a little different than yours these days. So it allows you to see, like, all right, I'm here still, you know. You know, you always want to take on that. Want that tough challenge. I enjoy the tough challenge. And so, yeah, but he been balling, man. You gotta give him his credit. He in incredible shape. You know, shout out to Zion. A lot of people talked a lot of about Zion and, you know, he doing the work and, you know, got himself in great shape and playing great basketball. So shout out to him.
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Jeff C
Y'all face the spurs after the Pelicans right now. Stephon Castle seems to be Rookie of the Year front runner. Do you think he should win Rookie of the Year?
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Draymond Green
I think he should. I think I spoke about him earlier this year on the five after we played them, and I was just saying, like, yo, I think that kid gonna be real. When I look at the rookie class, he's been the most consistent all year. He's been the most consistent player all year. I think everybody else has been up and down. He's been extremely consistent. There's no one in the rookie class that's done anything that jumps off the page. And so I think, you know, if there's no one that's done anything that jumps off the page, the next thing. Except Stefan Castle has had games that jump off the page, too. You know, man, he's had some of those games for sure, but I mean, the whole body of work over the course, you know, like, there was no rookie averaging 20 points.
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Jeff C
There hasn't been a dominant. A dominant rookie.
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Draymond Green
Yeah, you haven't seen that. Nonetheless, I think with his consistency, if you haven't had the dominance from someone, he has had some great games that jump off the page, but his consistency all year would make him the Rookie of the Year. And as I said before, I think you look back at this Rookie of the Year, you give this Rookie of the Year to some other guys, possibly you look back and be like, damn, he won Rookie of the Year to step on Castle, you're gonna look back in two years like, well, he all star, so I guess we got it right. Right? So he got that potential. He will reach that potential.
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Jeff C
We gotta get it right.
- [31:34]
Draymond Green
That's the guy. He should be Rookie of the year, 1000%.
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Jeff C
I think he should get it. He deserves it. Consistency showed up at All Star Weekend, performed dunk contest, took the second half of the season, stepped his game up, shows that he's ready for the next level. Right? And he can do it at this level at a consistent basis. And we haven't seen that from, you know, a lot of rookies, especially high draft pick rookies at all this season. And so there's been that, you know, that rookie lull or inconsistent, man, this dude, he really building something. And I like his brand. I like the way he play, you know, no Fox, no Wimby, right? You got Chris Paul. You got your OG over there helping you out. So he. He's destined to be great.
- [32:23]
Draymond Green
Look at the point guards that Chris Paul mentored. They came into the league, people thought they'd be backup point guards. They ended up going other places and started Eric Blesso, Darren Collison, Denman Schroeder. Like, these are all guards that CP at one point or another mentor, you know, and all those guys take another step. Campaign was out of the league. Chris Paul actually saved campaign career. Like, taught him how to be a pro, Taught him how to be a point guard. Like, Chris Paul actually saved his career. And so now you take this level of talent, six, six size, and he get to learn from Chris Paul. Sky's the limit for Stephon Cassidy.
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Jeff C
Man, y'all talked about how the atmosphere in Memphis is always. Wow. What happened? When did this start? I need the. I need the history to the beef with Memphis.
- [33:14]
Draymond Green
Anytime you beat a team in the playoffs, there's some beef. And on the way to our first championship, they had Z. Bo, they had Marc Gasol, they had T.A. they had Mike Conley. We beat them in the playoffs, and we came back from down 2 to 1 to win 4 to 2 and move on and win a championship. Beef started, but it wasn't really serious then because they're, you know, them Mark, Ta, Ebo, them all OGs, like, so it ain't gonna be no real beef with them, but it's like, you know, it's kind of this thing brewing, you know, it's like, man, they got us. Like, it's a little hatred coming from that fan base, but it wasn't like that with those guys because like I said, they OGs, man. And we got so much respect for them that it was never a thing.
- [33:57]
Jeff C
Right?
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Draymond Green
Then they started this younger group, and when they started this younger group, they kind of start, you know, talking a lot. And we play them in the playoffs again, you know, they talking about they gonna beat us, and rightfully so. Like, you know, JA and all those guys coming in like they watched us growing up winning championships, and so they come in on that type of time. Time. I get it again, I came in on that type of time. So I rock with it.
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Jeff C
They came in the playoffs on villains time. They was really on some upset. They wanted to upset y'all. I think they were the higher C.
- [34:27]
Draymond Green
They were the IRC that year. And, you know, we. We went in, we took care of business, you know, and so that's kind of where it really took off, you know. And then the one game they play whoop that trick. We dancing to it. They beating our ass. We still dancing and whoop that trick. And so it's just kind of been things that elevated it more and more as these years have gone on. That beef, I don't call it a real beef because at the end of the day, in order for it to be a real beef, it's going to require two teams to win. We beat them in the playoffs, they beat us. So until that happens, it's like, yeah, it's always going to be competitive. There's always going to be a little bad blood. But until you win in the playoffs, it means nothing. Regular season beefing.
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Jeff C
That part, y'all win.
- [35:12]
Draymond Green
The playoffs, that's just what it is. Speaking of Memphis, I saw earlier a few days ago, Desmond Bane shoves Santiago Dame, his teammate, off his feet, into the. On the bench during a timeout. Have you had a moment like that with a teammate?
- [35:29]
Jeff C
Nah, man, like, not in public. You know, I had some moments with some teammates my rookie year. I didn't pass one of my teammates the ball, and he said. He said, pass the ball. You with.
- [35:47]
Draymond Green
Oh, Jesus, I would love to know who that was.
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Jeff C
I dropped the ball and ran up on him during the game, man. And we was running back on. We was running back on defense, and he running, bro. I'm running right next to him. I'm on his line after the game. It's cracking. After the game is cracking. I'll be waiting for you.
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Draymond Green
Who's the teammate?
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Jeff C
Please don't tell us the teammate. No, it was my. Cause it was my rookie year and I was out of line. But, you know, you being a rookie, everybody feel like they can talk to you any type of way. And I kind of was like, bro, I'm not having it from you. You can't talk to me like that. I see you in the parking lot after the game. Coach was like, man, what's going on? I'm telling you, I dropped the ball and I walked up on him, said, what you say to me, man? We running back on defense. I'm running next to him, coaching out, what the hell's wrong? Hey, Coach Silas.
- [36:57]
Draymond Green
Hey, OG Hey, OG Wherever you at? Out there way to punky. Cause he even scared to say your name. So whoever you are out there, OG.
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Jeff C
When you hear this clip, just know.
- [37:07]
Draymond Green
You punk BD And I respect it. You got my utmost respect.
- [37:12]
Jeff C
That's my dog. I got love for him. I got all the love as my brother. I got all the love for him. Everybody crossed the line. And you, you realize playing in the league that there's a certain line that you don't cross. And everybody got a temperament. And for me, I think my rookie year, I was so happy. Go lucky. When I'm in the league, when I'm in the game and off the court, I was really playful, fun, you know, cracking jokes. A lot of times they took my kindness for weakness. And so you had everybody got every. Everybody got it. Hey, man. All right, I see I went a little too far. I'm not gonna cross the line with that, you know, I'm not gonna cross the line with that dude. So he just misjudged. He didn't. No, I ain't scared nothing. I was in that parking lot, bro, for like an hour and a half, sitting there waiting.
- [38:10]
Draymond Green
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- [38:27]
Jeff C
This season will be another shocking view into professionals wrestling's unseen world. From the firsthand account of Mick Foley's career defining hell in a cell icons Big Van Vader and Billy Graham to Billy Jack Hayes awaiting trial for second degree murder charges. Season six will be a continuation of the explosive untold stories in the world of wrestling.
- [38:48]
Draymond Green
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Draymond Green
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Draymond Green
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T-Mobile Representative
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Draymond Green
A radiophonic novella, which is just a.
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T-Mobile Representative
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- [40:59]
Draymond Green
Tune in to locatora radio season 10.
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T-Mobile Representative
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Draymond Green
Winner and six time ladies European Tour winner.
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T-Mobile Representative
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- [41:21]
Draymond Green
You forgot to say all my Miss.
- [41:22]
Jeff C
America, by the way.
- [41:23]
Draymond Green
And we've got a new podcast, Quiet.
- [41:26]
T-Mobile Representative
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- [41:37]
Draymond Green
Or just people we like. Plus tales from the road and everything in between. By the way, golf isn't just for.
- [41:42]
Jeff C
The dads, Brads and chads.
- [41:43]
T-Mobile Representative
Yeah, it's actually life's cheat code. And we're not going to be quiet about it on or off the course. We're bringing on some of our friends like Michelle We, Heather McMahon, Amanda Baliotis.
- [41:53]
Draymond Green
So if you want to keep up.
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Jeff C
Around the league, the biggest News around the league is the ongoing back and forth between obviously LeBron James and Stephen A. Smith. Oh, man. What's your take on it now?
- [42:27]
Draymond Green
I saw some of the things that Stephen A said over the last day or so. I saw he put out an apology for mentioning Kobe and also kind of mis. Mentioned Nicole. He issued an apology for that. I don't know, man. I don't really have many takes on it. It kind of is what it is. I'm kind of sick of seeing it. I was a little baffled by Stephen A saying, and he would have swung on Bron after he just kind of questioned me saying, when you talk like that where I'm from, you get hands put on you. And he kind of did this whole thing of like trying to use my basketball career and things that have happened on the basketball court because I'm actually really good at basketball and made it to the NBA that he wants to try to use that, to try to use it against me for my next career. I saw him doing that. And then to come out and do the very thing that you kind of tried to use against me, I thought was a little petty. Not only petty, but like snarky. Snarky but contradictory to what you just did. You know what I'm saying? Like, yo, you've had moments before you need to not say nothing about hands, but then, you know, you start talking about swinging on someone, you know what I'm saying? So I thought Bruh's post was hilarious.
- [43:44]
Jeff C
That conflicted, conflicted, conflicted and contradicting views on what you really trying to say.
- [43:53]
Draymond Green
But I just remember the days when, like, media used to talk. Basketball is so all over the place.
- [43:59]
Jeff C
Now here I got the solution. After the season, we build a boxing ring back here in Slick Studios. Whoever in the media want to catch, fade, put on some gloves. We'll have a. Then we'll have the main event, LeBron vs. Stephen A. And we won't even do real boxing gloves. We'll get the big old boxing gloves.
- [44:24]
Draymond Green
18. 18 ounce boxing gloves. Yeah, let them swing.
- [44:30]
Jeff C
Let them get their frustration out. Draymond Green versus Jason Whitlock.
- [44:35]
Draymond Green
Why get Jason Whitlock? I don't know that dude.
- [44:38]
Jeff C
Or Stephen A. Or Kendrick Perkins versus LeBron. Oh, Kendrick Perkins versus KD. That'll be hard. Everybody beefing, bro. Everybody beefing for what? But it's crazy. That why all These people own LeBron, right? There's constant conversation about LeBron on the Pat McAfee Show. And, you know, you must respect each era, right? That's the whole thing. They saying, you got to respect each era. We know LeBron is big media. My question to you is, what other era would you have enjoyed playing?
- [45:20]
Draymond Green
You know what's crazy is people say you must respect each era, but the past eras don't respect this era.
- [45:26]
Jeff C
I don't think that's true shit me.
- [45:28]
Draymond Green
You don't see some of the things.
- [45:29]
Jeff C
These guys say, man. I think really at the baseline of it all. And here's my problem with the whole ecosystem. We don't do a good enough job of telling everybody's story. And so the eras don't really get the appreciation because the media encapsulate the era into like one team, two teams, three teams of storyline. When you look at Michael, like, and here's the thing, you look at Michael Jordan, you look at LeBron James, there's so many dope players that played in the era of Michael Jordan that didn't win a championship. There's a lot of dope players that you guys played against and had to go through the playoffs that don't get mentioned. Only the warriors get mentioned. You know, and rightfully so champions get mentioned. And so I think the respect from the old is really, do the young dudes fuck with us? Do they know who we are? Because I think for our era, it was more so how can we be throwback in nostalgia? And so that's why you get a lot of hate from the older generation, because they just want to be kept alive. Because they alive, right? Why shouldn't they story be a part of this whole melting pot? And it's not just we talking about the same shit or if we're comparing players, like, let's see somebody highlights, let's see somebody's stats. Let's have them talk about the players that they played against. Because one era always think that the other era is sorry until you leave the game and have an appreciation for the talent that you had to play against each and every night.
- [47:10]
Draymond Green
I agree with what you're saying to a certain extent, but I disagree in the fact that no, like, these eras don't respect us. Like, I've seen several guys talk over and over and over again, not in a positive light. Just a month and a half ago, Oscar Robinson said, I do nothing on the basketball yet. I got a chance to put on the same jacket he put on, but he said unprompted. Like, I didn't say anything about Oscar Robinson. I didn't say anything about players from his generation. I actually said something about players from our generation. And he then took it upon himself to completely try to lessen who I am as a player. You don't have to like my game. But to say I do nothing on the basketball court, like. Like that's either disrespectful or dumb. Like, it's one of the two. Like, you're either being disrespectful or you're not smart. So you pick. And I'm going to say it's disrespect because I'd like to believe he's smart. And so, yeah, I don't think that respect is passed down to us from the other generations, but I think people are quick to say, oh, you got to respect them because they came before. No, I don't agree with that. I disagree with that.
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Jeff C
Here's another thing, though, bd, you absolutely have to.
- [48:28]
Draymond Green
My momma ain't raised me that way.
- [48:29]
Jeff C
Absolutely respect the people who came before you.
- [48:34]
Draymond Green
My respect is earned. And what you did to somebody else don't necessarily earn you respect me.
- [48:41]
Jeff C
No, I'm not saying from, like. I'm just saying like, you know, from a player perspective, a power forward before Jaymond Green, was it Draymond Green type of power forward? Right? And even though you are a one of one, like there is a cloth or a Shaq or someone that you highly respect. That's why we respect where we come from and how we got there. Because if it wasn't, it don't have to be all the dudes, like. Cause I still be beefing with people. I still don't like people. I still think people are sorry. But that's my personal opinion. Right? That's my personal opinion. But I do have respect somewhat.
- [49:24]
Draymond Green
Exactly. We started to get people who came. You just can't tell me everybody deserves respect. That's not a fact.
- [49:30]
Jeff C
There are.
- [49:31]
Draymond Green
Everybody don't deserve respect just because you played before me. You don't deserve respect.
- [49:35]
Jeff C
There are a lot of people in the club and can't everybody dance?
- [49:39]
Draymond Green
Facts, bd. Just because you played before me does not mean you deserve respect. I'm sorry, but God had in his plan for you to be born before me, and you just deserve respect because of that. That. Nah, my mom ain't raised me that way. Respect is earned. Obviously, this conversation is stemming from Bron saying that giannis will have 250 points in the 70s. But here's my thing, though, BD, the problem I have with it is this. Everybody attacked the statement, which attacked the statement.
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Jeff C
I don't think that he would, though. I Think Giannis would have, like 17 points in the 70s?
- [50:17]
Draymond Green
I think you tripping.
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Jeff C
All right, can I tell you this? Can I give you this scenario?
- [50:21]
Draymond Green
Yes, sure.
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Jeff C
A dude from Greece, right, comes to the United states in the 70s to play in the NBA, where you don't make a lot of money. Times is hard. You don't have a trainer. You got Converse, right? You got Converse. And you may or may not have to have some type of side job job because the league ain't really paying you enough to go back to Greece and take care of your family. Now, who's gonna help you back then acclimate to the United States and the NBA? Now, take all those factors with the Converse or whatever they was. The flats.
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Draymond Green
Hey, you gonna stop with Converse? That's. That's my family now.
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Jeff C
I love Converse. No, I love. Look, bro, I rock Converse. I'm just saying I rock.
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Draymond Green
Of course you rock, Chucks.
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Jeff C
Yeah, of course I rock Chuck Taylor's. But what I'm saying is, playing in Chuck Taylor's, that was the luxury shoe.
- [51:23]
Draymond Green
Oh, you Right.
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Jeff C
Could you play in Chuck Taylor's?
- [51:26]
Draymond Green
No. Yeah, I can't play in a lot of shoes, though.
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Jeff C
So you can't play. So you can't play in the 70s, bro.
- [51:32]
Draymond Green
All right, now, time out.
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Jeff C
Now, playing from the 70s, right? If he was Encino man and you transported him next into the NBA and he came out the ice with his Chuck Taylor's on his high shorts afro, and he's 6, 9, 45 inch, bird, can only dribble with his right hand, but block everything, dunk everything, and shoot bank shots. Listen, now, he got the trainer.
- [52:03]
Draymond Green
Let me know when you done Charles Barkley, okay?
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Jeff C
Okay.
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Draymond Green
God damn, Chuck. We talk about media members. You see what you've done to this generation of media members, Chuck? He won't even let me. Shaq, I feel your pain. This man won't even let me get a word out. You know why he won't let me get a word out? Because in order. In order for him to go against Bron's claim that giannis would average 250 points, he had to make it about it being no facetimes in the 70s, no good shoes in the 70s, no good jobs in the 70s, he had to make it about that, as opposed to just making it strictly basketball, which is the statement that was being made.
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Jeff C
The skills ain't gonna translate.
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Draymond Green
My point that I was actually going to make to arms is that why do. When people talk about basketball and Bron say something like he said, people get all up in arms, as if 55 years of basketball play did not change the skill level, did not change the fitness level did not change the understanding of the game did not change the nuances, did not change the offenses run, did not change how the defenses run. Bro, 55 years, within those last 55 years, all of those things have changed. Nobody said, hey, if you take Giannis, put him back in the 70s, but you have to now make him a 70s basketball player. That wasn't the point. The point was if you take Giannis Antetokounmpo, who he is today, and he played in the 70s, he'd have 250 points. And so that's the problem that I have is Google got better with time. Facebook, MySpace went away. Facebook became this conglomerate because they saw my space mistakes. It's like, we're going to add this, we're going to do that. So everything gets better with time. But for some reason, for some reason, when we're talking basketball, it don't get better with time. And everything should be. Everything's equal to what it was before. And that's just not the case. And so, so you look at where players are today, it's no disrespect to players of the 70s, but everything has changed.
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Jeff C
Everything.
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Draymond Green
We don't play the same game of basketball that they played in the 70s. There was no three point line, there was no defensive three. Second, we don't play the same game of basketball that they played. So now you take these skill sets of today and put them in that era. I'm sorry, it's going to be hard for them, players in the 70s.
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Jeff C
Okay, let's take a TV timeout. We got to answer these three questions that are going on in the media right now. Is Paul George a first ballot hall of Famer? Gilbert Arenas says he is. Chandler Parsons says he isn't.
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Draymond Green
I say 1,000%. Paul George got like nine all star appearances. He got several NBA appearances. He has a gold medal somewhere close to 20,000 points, I'm sure, if not more. I'm not sure exactly how many he got, but if you look at some of the people that are in the hall of Fame, Paul George had better careers than them. Paul George is absolutely a first ballot hall of Famer with the body of work that he has. Are there some things you don't like about Paul George? Of course you can say he didn't win. You could say, oh, he was a little soft. You can say whatever you want. You can say whatever you want to say. They may Be valid, maybe not. Didn't win is valid. Is he soft? That's your opinion. Some people will say yes, that's your opinion. Don't really matter. Paul George resume says first ballot hall of Fame. If you remove Paul George name from his resume, which then allows which then forces you to remove your feelings about Paul George and you put his resume there and remove the feelings, remove the face, remove the neck. That's the first ballot hall of Fame.
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Jeff C
Resume, 18,000 plus points. Hey, man, get that man in flowers. All right, number two, James Harden or D. Wade. Per Patrick Beverly, he picks Harden over D. Wade because of longevity.
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Draymond Green
Man, I played against both of them and really both of them in their prime. Like I played D. Wade, I came into the league. They was one of the championships in Miami. But in saying that that man, James Harden's so good, bro.
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Jeff C
He's so good, bro.
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Draymond Green
He's so good. The the reason I'm going to pick D. Wade, I'm going to pick Dwayne A. He won championships and he won championship as finals mvp carrying a team in his third year. I'm going to pick yes, he had the diesel, of course, and diesel changed every. But I'm going to pick D. Wade because of that reason. I'm also pick D. Wade because I think if Harden stayed a two guard, his career isn't necessarily what it is today. Him changing over to the point guard changed everything. Now don't get me wrong, he still would have been an all star, he still would have been perennial, all of those things. But I mean the dominance that James Harden had as a point guard, I don't think he would have had that same dominance as a two guard. And so I think right now what's being compared is the idea that James Harden is a 2 because you're comparing to D. Wade, but he not a 2. James Harden's best years in the NBA and majority of his years he's a point guard. And so I don't really love the comparison. I think early in James career the comparison was there because he was a two. Once he switched to the point, he became one. Nobody says it, but he became one of the best point guards we've ever seen. And so in saying that, I just don't think the comparison is there. And that's why I'm just going to pick D. Wade because I didn't got to go with the body of work. NBA Finals, NBA Finals mvp. Probably the same amount of all stars as James. Probably the same amount of all NBAs as James. Obviously doesn't have what James want two MVPs, right?
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Jeff C
Yeah, something like that. I mean, they. I mean, it measures up one, two, whatever.
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Draymond Green
He won an mvp, you know what I'm saying? So I just think it's not a good comparison. One's a point guard, one of the better point guards we've ever seen. Juan's one of the better two guards we've ever seen. So. So I don't really understand the comparison, and that's why I'm going to go with D. Wade, because I start picking on certain things. And the three championships got a roll with that for me.
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Jeff C
D. Wade started his career his rookie season as a point guard for one year. I'm just saying. For one year, maybe two, I believe. No, he moved to the two his second year. James Harden started at the two, moved to the point guard, guard. Okay. The hardest thing to do is to go from a 2 to a 1, and then D. Wade, I would say, over the course of D. Wade's career, and I understand what Pat Bev is saying about longevity. D. Wade played the two, the three, and the four. So he started as, you know, like one of the best swing men ever in the game.
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Draymond Green
He wasn't really no.
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Jeff C
4, but he played the 4.
- [59:17]
Draymond Green
Yeah, so has Klay Thompson.
- [59:19]
Jeff C
He played.
- [59:19]
Draymond Green
Played. I mean, Kevin Durant, Paul Jordan, all these guys have played the four.
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Jeff C
K. Clay Thompson has never been a four.
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Draymond Green
No, no, no, no, no. They. There's been lineups where he's been the four.
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Jeff C
Clay Thompson has never been the four.
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Draymond Green
Klay Thompson as the four in some of our lineups.
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Jeff C
And he's a what?
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Draymond Green
He's a shooting guard.
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Jeff C
Okay, but.
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Draymond Green
But it's a new NBA, though. Twos play the four all the time.
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Jeff C
Thank you. But he is A.
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Draymond Green
And D. Wade is, too.
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Jeff C
Shooting guard.
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Draymond Green
Come on, B.D. that's. That's terrible.
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Jeff C
I'm just saying. That's what I'm saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. D. Wade has been on the court with a point guard, a shooting guard. D. Wade, LeBron and Yadonis Haslam. Correct?
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Draymond Green
Yes. LeBron was the four.
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Jeff C
D. Wade was the what, three. Who was the two or the two? It's harder to go from a two to a one.
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Draymond Green
I can agree with that.
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Jeff C
This is why I go with just. And then on top of that, being a system is much harder because you are the system. So you're somewhere in between a D. Wade and LeBron. That is the only thing that's stopping you from being LeBron or having that Same type of cachet a la Dirk Nowinski won one. But we know how. How tough that road and that journey was. Is the warriors one of the most dominant teams in NBA history. And so I look at degree of difficulty. Who has to do it on their own. Right. As the system. So you have to be all cylinders and everything rests on you, as opposed to. I am one of the best complimentary all time. Greatest one of ones that could be in that category too. Right.
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Draymond Green
Listen, I played against James Harden in the peak of his prime. Very meaningful games. Is Dwight Howard a Hall of Famer?
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Jeff C
He will be. He should be.
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Draymond Green
Okay, so you just gonna act like he ain't had Dwight Howard, who's a Hall of Famer? You just say he did by himself. He had Dwight Howard.
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Jeff C
No, I didn't say he did it by himself. I said he did it as the system. System.
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Draymond Green
Yeah. But he still had great players to make that system work.
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Jeff C
Yes, absolutely, bro. Absolutely he did. But as the system is harder on you being the focal point of the team and of the offense. Not saying that D. Wade was not the focal point of the Miami Heat, but he was not the focal point of the Miami heat. That was LeBron James and 06. He was.
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Draymond Green
Was it.
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Jeff C
That was Shaquille O'Neal, man.
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Draymond Green
Stop it. I'm. I'm a huge Shaq fan. Shaq even said, hey, man, this is his team. Shaq himself said this?
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Jeff C
Yeah. Cause he was killing.
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Draymond Green
Okay? So you can't say what's the focal point?
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Jeff C
Because he was killing. He caught flame. He was killing. We didn't. We didn't see that. Nobody saw that coming. Shaq was the one getting the attention.
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Draymond Green
Listen, all right, listen. I'll ask you this question.
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Jeff C
System. The system. The system ran around.
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Draymond Green
Ask you this question.
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Jeff C
Andre Igadala was the MVP for the Golden State Warriors. But who was.
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Draymond Green
That's fine. And Danny. But you're not about to say Andre Gadala and Dwayne Wade run in the final.
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Jeff C
I'm not.
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Draymond Green
That's crazy.
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Jeff C
I'm not saying that. I am saying there's more pressure on Steph Curry to not get it apples.
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Draymond Green
To apples, as opposed to.
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Jeff C
You know what I'm saying?
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Draymond Green
But I'm gonna ask you this question.
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Jeff C
I'm not comparing Andre to Dwayne.
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Draymond Green
Let me ask you this question.
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Jeff C
Go ahead.
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Draymond Green
All things considered, money.
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Jeff C
Yeah.
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Draymond Green
Accolades, you name it. All things considered, are you yourself, if you left this earth and they came. They. You come back and they say, here's this resume. Here's this Resume. Which one do you want to be? Are you picking James Harden resume or are you picking Dwyane Ray's resume?
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Jeff C
Any basketball player who wants to achieve greatness at the highest level is going to take the resume of the champion. But if you. If you took away the resume and showed me the style.
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Draymond Green
Oh yeah, James is different.
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Jeff C
And said, hey, who do I. Which style would I like to import myself in as an NBA player? Like for me personally, James Harden.
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Draymond Green
Of course, James. I don't question that one bit.
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Jeff C
Like, I want to play point guard. I want to rock like James Harden, you know, Like, I like how. I like his style. I like his freedom. Not saying that. If I was a shooting guard, right? If I was a shooting guard, I would pick Dwyane Wade, right?
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T-Mobile Representative
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Jeff C
I like that mode. I can dunk on people, cross people. Nobody can guard me. You know, mvp like that. That's gonna be your mode. But in this James or D. Wade, it's like the way I look at it, resume wise. Yes. Fuck yes. D. Wade is like, you don't lose. There is no loss.
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Draymond Green
No, there's no loss. Neither one of them. I take both. Give me one of them, I'll take both.
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Jeff C
Like, no, that's what I'm saying. Like, there's no loss. So like I'm just be throwing up comparisons trying to figure out how tight of a comparison can we make to these players when you really can't compare them because their resumes are different, their games are different, their styles are different. And it's like, damn, if somebody told me I can be D. Wade. You damn skimpy. I want to be D. Wade. If somebody told me I can be James Harden, you damn skippy. I want to be James Harden. And so like, man, it's a win.
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Draymond Green
Win. Hey, girl.
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Jeff C
Last one. Cooper Flag will be the best player to ever come out of Duke.
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Draymond Green
No, I disagree wholeheartedly.
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Jeff C
I disagree. Colin Kyle her said they've got 90 guys in the NBA. I think Cooper Flag's going to be the best NBA player ever. Damn, Stop playing.
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Draymond Green
No, we don't need to talk for. You want to see you do great. Great. I disagree with that whole. I don't even think you can get Cooper Flag degree to that BD before we get out of here. I got another way. What? I'm gonna read a quote and you will guess which head coach in the NBA made this quote. I didn't get enough credit for getting the three wins.
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Jeff C
Doc Rivers.
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Draymond Green
Oh, Craig, I got, you know, I got mad love for Doc Come on, Doc. As someone who's won a championship, Doc.
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Jeff C
You can't say, say that Doc is one of my. I. I like Doc because he a personality. But you know, hey, man, we know, we know. We. We know, we know.
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Draymond Green
Don't you say that to nobody else. Doc, if you say that to somebody else is gonna get back to me and we gonna have to talk about it. Doc, man. BD before we get out of here, bro, I just want to wish Watts owned juju Watkins. Well, and a speedy recovery. I worked out with Juju when she was in the 10th grade. I think I spoke about this before. And she struggled the first workout and came back the next day ready to go. And I was like, wow. I knew she'd be special just by seeing her skill set, but then also seeing the work ethic. And to see her go through this as women's college basketball brightest star. I hate to see it. I wish her well. Sending a lot of love her way to her parents. I know she'll get through this. All the work that she put in, she gonna come back stronger. But wanna wish Jew well and then also wanna wish Dame $well, Dame's dealing with a blood clot in his calf. And I mean, basketball is basketball. When you start talking blood clot and we talking about life, you know, and just wanna send my love and well wish to Dame Dolla on getting healthy and getting back, but for getting back, just getting healthy, because that's nothing to play with. So I want to send my love and my well wishes to both of them.
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Jeff C
Same way. Dame, you know how I feel about you, bro. Can't wait to have you back. You know, you one of the Bay Area's finest, one of the league finest, one of my favorite point guards and one of my favorite rappers. But we know Damon is resilient. We know dam take the proper steps. And then similar to juju, I would say my story with juju is more personal. Bobby or Pops and Moms, you know, those are my people. And so I've been knowing juju since, you know, she was in high school, almost middle school. And, you know, it's really just family love. So we sending our love out to Juju. We know she gonna come back outside of ucla, usc, you know, we all want to see you on the court. I think she represents la la hoop culture everything to the fullest. And I am personally pulling for juju to come back stronger than ever. And, you know, at this as a part of her journey and a quest to be one of the greatest to ever do it. So get well soon, Juju. Get Wilson. Dame dollar.
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Draymond Green
And lastly, before we get out of here, shout out to the legend Candice Parker. She will be getting her jersey retired by the Los Angeles Sparks this year. I think that's incredible. I then look forward to the Chicago sky retiring her jersey after she brought a championship to her hometown. So shout out to cp.
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Jeff C
Cpz.
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Draymond Green
Mad love for cp.
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Jeff C
Candace Parker.
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Draymond Green
Goats.
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Jeff C
That's my girl.
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Draymond Green
Appreciate y'all for tuning in. Bd I always appreciate you, my brother.
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Jeff C
Let's get these wins on the road. Let's go.
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Draymond Green
You already know. That's a wrap from this episode of the Draymond Green show with the legend Baron Davis. Till next time.
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Jeff C
Yeah.
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Draymond Green
Peace.
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Yeah.
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