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The Draymond Green Show w/Baron Davis: Ty Lue on Cavaliers-Warriors NBA Finals, Kawhi's return to Clippers
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Doug Gottlieb
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Baron Davis
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Draymond Green
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Tyronn Lue
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Baron Davis
What's up my bro?
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Tyronn Lue
Chilling bro. Before we get into this episode, please subscribe to the Draymond Green show with Baron Davis so you don't miss any episodes.
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Baron Davis
That's right. Follow the show on all social media platforms. Drop Draymond show so you don't miss none of our great announcements.
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Tyronn Lue
And as we get into today's episode, I told y'all therapy works. And you know I've been through a lot in my life, a lot in my career and to bring this this guy on with some of the wrong he's done in my life is a big step for me in my journey. But today's guest, he's an 11 year NBA veteran, two time NBA champion as a player he is An NBA champion as a coach, which we do not want to talk about here. One of the best coaches in the league for sure, bar none. I got a lot of respect for, quite honestly, one of the coaches I hate playing against. And we'll get into that a little bit. We have Arlo Banters. I talk junk to him, but none other coach of the Los Angeles Clippers. T. Lou, what's happening, Lou?
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Baron Davis
Not my guy. What's happening? What's up, Coach? What's up, Coach? Look at my dog. My dog is the coach. You know what I mean? We came in the league together. You got all them gray hairs, 20.
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Draymond Green
21 years old, and I'm ready to coach it. Now, 26 years later, I'm coaching like I would. Never thought I'd be coaching, man, but it's been a blessing. You know, the game of basketball has been a blessing for all of us. And then just to, you know, turn the chapter from being a player to being a coach, man, it's really put me in a. In a great position. Like I said, basketball is everything, you know, so, you know, I wouldn't know what to do if I didn't play ball, like I said, or if I wasn't coaching.
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Baron Davis
So it's everything, man, just, you know, just to speak about coaching, you know what I mean? You know, you wanted the best coaches in the league, man. You're an NBA champion. And I would like to kick the show off by talking about, let's get into this Cavs warrior situation. And is this the first time y'all ever talked about this?
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Draymond Green
Yes.
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Baron Davis
Come on. Sorry, Jay. Come on. You know that was coming. Listen, the amount that was the fastball.
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Tyronn Lue
The amount of times I see T. Lou, like I see T. Lou at private events, we are part of the same family, like, and, like, we've never spoke about this. And the fact that we starting this podcast. And that's what you want to talk.
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Baron Davis
About, man, I'm on the day.
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Tyronn Lue
Yeah, I could have took Draymond Green out of the show today. This just could have been the Baron Davis show today. If that's what you wanted to start this show off talking about it. But since you want to talk about it, let's talk about it. And I got something let's talk about.
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Baron Davis
Let's talk about it. T. Lou, were you worried the first two games, especially the last time y'all saw the warriors in the finals? They won the last three games. And then, Draymond, you can talk about, you know, in the finals, how y'all felt the first two games. But, you know, coach, walk us through this series. You know, what was the mentality and. And feel free. Cause you say whatever you want, you know what I mean? On this show.
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Draymond Green
I mean, you know. No, like. Well, for me it was like, you know, you go through the, you know, you go through the Eastern Conference, you know, and, you know, it's a different style of basketball until you actually play the Golden State warriors and see the speed and the pace that they play with, you can't duplicate it. You know, we had a lot of time to prepare, but you can't. You can't prepare for the speed, can't prepare for the shot making and how hard they run, they stuff, you know. And so we got to Golden State for those first few games, man, we couldn't keep. Like, we was just, like, they were just playing so fast. So fast. And what happens is, a lot of people get, you know, they go crazy about the threes that Clay and Steph, whatever's gonna make. But you lose sight of shit. They got 60 points in the paint, you know what I mean? Because you wanted to step them. You trying to do. And now you got Drake, you know, one of the best passers in the league. As soon as you go out and help Steph, they slip. They're getting dunks, they're getting layups. And so you kind of lose sight of everything else because you're so worried about Clay and Stephen, you know, coming off screens. And so those first two games, like, it was hard to make adjustments because it was a blowout. Like, be about 25, 24. So, like, how do you really adjust? But, you know, I think the adjustment we made was it was really good for us because, you know, when you play them, you think about, we want to switch everything, you know, we want to. And they just pick you apart. Like, any mistake going to pick you apart. So, you know, look at the film over and over and over again. When game three came, I said, you know what? We're only going to switch Steph and Clay's. When they come together in splits. Everybody else, we're going to just drop back. You chase and follow, and then we'll protect you. Like if Barbosa pops back, if Iguodala pops back, if Sean Livingston pops back, we'll live with the results. But you can't, like, switch everybody. They were just too good.
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Baron Davis
Too much chaos.
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Draymond Green
And you got J.R. smith chasing Steph full speed. And now you got to stop and try to go back. It was too much. And so, like, listen, if Steph and Clay come together, switch. If not, you're on your own. You got Steph and you got Clay, and that really helped us out, you know, a lot. And so what people don't understand is, like, after the first two games, I didn't show film, like, because, you know. Cause sometimes Bron would be upset, and he'd be in the back rolling his eyes. I'm like, you know what? I'mma stay positive. You know, I'mma stay positive. Everything we do, we shot half court shots. We just did a lot of different stuff. And then when we won game three, the. Then that was a game I kind of showed all our mistakes, what we need to clean up, what we need to get better at, because when you win a game, it's easier to kind of show that stuff. So they came back at one, Game four. I didn't show no film. And so I. David Griffin was like, man, what the hell is Tyler doing? I'm like, bro, you don't understand. Like, she just. Just relax. Like, I got. You know, and so. But it was. It was. I mean, playing them every single night, man. Like, you know, it's just tough. Like, the pace they play at. People don't understand until you actually end it.
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Baron Davis
Yeah. And then, you know, speaking up. Well, Dre, I'll let you talk in a minute, but speaking up on game four, one of the biggest turning points of the series, and then you find out Draymond wasn't gonna play game five. Like, what was the adjustments like, you know, going from game four to game five? Cause once y'all. Once y'all tied it up, I like watching the series because I felt like every game after game three, it was like somebody went back and made key adjustments to make the game that much stickier. Right?
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Draymond Green
Yeah. I mean, so, you know, they win game four, you know, and I thought we played, you know, good enough to win, but they win game four, and then we gotta go back to Golden State, you know, for game five. And then we get the news that, you know, Draymond's gonna be out. So for us, that was something for us, like the automatic pick our pressure up. Like, you know, now we got to pick our pressure up. We got to deny. We got to extend because they didn't have, like, Eagle Dog could make plays, like, in transition. But Dre was more of the half court passer, you know, so he's basically the point guard. And so when he was out, we knew we had to pick our pressure up to try to take him out of everything. They Try to. Like they try to do, you know? And so it's a funny story when we get to game seven, and I think you probably don't remember Draymond, but you, um. But if you go back and watch the game. So at the end of the game, we were up three, um, and we went over like, yalls out. Yalls need three plays. We went over every single day for three weeks straight. But one of the games were close, so we did. So me and Kyrie and Bron, like, man, we doing this shit again. I'm like, man, you never know. It's going to come down to something. And so for each play, we had different guys guarding different positions. And so when they came out to run a knee three play, you know, Dre was taking it out, and we jumped into our formation, and Dre was kind of looking like, what the. Like, what's going on? So we deflected the ball out of bounds. So then they go to their second knee three play. They switched it, and our players was guarding somebody different, and we was able to take it away. And then so Bron said, man, it came down the game. So I said, you never know. Like, you got to work on it every single day because you never know when you're going to need it. And so every day we work on the knee threes, they like, man, ain't none of the games been close. Why are we doing this? And then game seven, it came down to it. Big ones.
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Tyronn Lue
Yeah, man, that was crazy. What up, bd?
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Baron Davis
Welcome to the party. Come on, Dre.
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Tyronn Lue
I appreciate it.
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Baron Davis
Speak your piece.
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Tyronn Lue
I don't have much to say. We lost. But what I will say is now it's crazy, because in planning those series, like, it prepared us in moving forward to know how to make those adjustments. Because it was a chess match. Like, every time we would play from game to game, they make this move, we make this move. They move they queen, we move our rook. You know, we move our. Like, that's what those series were. Obviously, when I got suspended for game five, it changed everything. But also, you know, their adjustment, it's interesting because their adjustment to pick up the pressure is obviously how they took over and won the game. Because when you get in a lot of series and a key piece like that gets moved, normally your game plan stay the same, right? Because you, like, ah, we've been playing this team, your game plans stay the same, and then you come out there and you get blasted. Like, it happened to us a couple years ago when we won a championship. We played Memphis in game four, game five or something like that. And Ja was hurt. Oh, it was game five. They beat us by 60 because we didn't. Like, there was no adjustment. Like, you didn't know what team you was about to play. Whereas opposed to, you've been preparing for this one team and, you know, the adjustments that you need to make, it's a different team now. And so that's an interesting adjustment. But no, when game five, it changed everything. Like, we're going home, and obviously they're going to make an adjustment. But, you know, for us, we. We going home to close out this series, and that's the mindset. Then I get suspended. And I'll never forget I was watching that game next door at the A's game, and I had on all black. I had on some black Nike combat boots, and I had my route down and everything. I'm like, yeah, we gonna win this game. And I'm taking the long route to the court so I can walk past all of the Cavs when they walk into the locker room as they head down, and I'm in all black and I'm mobbing in there. And it just didn't work out for us. Man. I was sitting in that. I was sitting in that sweet watching the game, and I didn't realize. I didn't recognize the team I was watching. Like, it was. It just looked like a different team to me. And so then to come back, game six. Like, we lost game six in game five. Like, game there was zero percent chance we were going to Cleveland and win game six. So we had already lost game six in game five, and then we end up in game seven. And tlu game plan is to make me beat them. And I had the game of my life. And ultimately he had five threes in the first half.
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Baron Davis
Man, I was there. I was at that game. I was at that game.
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Draymond Green
But, you know, like, something about coaching, you know, nae d is like when you got. When you got the control of your team and they respect you and they. They trust you. Like, you know, you have five threes at halftime, and then not one player come in crying about, like, that's the game plan. Like, you know, like, he can make shots, but we. If we. If we keep Stephen Clay from, you know, making seven, eight threes and we keeping the ball out of their hands, like, that's what we want to do. And you got to think for the best team in NBA history, record wise, like, we held y'all to 89 points in game seven.
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Tyronn Lue
89 points, you know what I'm saying?
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Draymond Green
So, like, and we just, they just, we just stuck with it, like. And J.R. like I said, J.R. smith was huge in that third quarter coming out then. But like, it just. You had to balance the best game of your life, you know.
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Tyronn Lue
But you know what's crazy though, T. Lou, is that game. And it was a mixture of that game and then also KD coming. And so the mixture of that game and me like shooting the lights out, scoring that will having what I scored 31 or 33 or something like that.
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Draymond Green
35, 30.
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Tyronn Lue
35. And we only had 89 points. I have 35. And so me being the player that I am, which is 70% cerebral KD coming in, which means I have to kind of take more of a backseat anyway, right? Like, but at the same time, that's coming on the heels of me just having 35. And we lost. And so now my mindset ends up turning to, well, they want me to take this shot because I just had 35 in game seven and we lost. So then I stopped shooting, right, like, because I'm like, oh, they want me to take the shot in turn. I didn't spend two and a half years with zero confidence in my shot and just dhoing and find creative ways to get Stephen Clayton involved. Cause I ain't wanna shoot because I lost all confidence. But a part of me losing confidence was that game and not taking the shot and taking the shots right, like, and actually making them. But we ain't win. So I'm like, dang. Well, that's the mindset. They want me to shoot, so I'm not gonna shoot because they're game planning to make me shoot, so why would I shoot? And then it led down to this whole path of like, them being like afraid to shoot and losing my confidence in my shot and like hesitating and then having to get over that mental hurdle. It all started for me there, which was crazy because it was your game plan. But then it became a part of my mind of like, that's the game plan. Why would I shoot?
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Draymond Green
But now you better shooting 40 something.
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Tyronn Lue
Percent from 3 again and turning to T. Lou telling him, don't let me shoot tonight.
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Baron Davis
Goddamn, man, this is, this is, this is therapeutic, man. This is therapeutic, man. That's a hell of a moment. A full circle moment. That's hella therapeutic, man. I'm glad, T. Lou. See, we got that. The hardest part we got out the.
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Draymond Green
Way.
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Baron Davis
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Tyronn Lue
So I have to ask this question. And speaking of that, Game seven, you know, I've heard all of the. The stories, and quite honestly, I've ignored them, because that's just a dark moment in my life. But there was some story about you collecting money that you left in the ceiling or something. Like, let me in on this story. I need to know more, because next time we play y'all in a meaningful series, I'm going in that locker room the night before and taking that money.
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Baron Davis
So.
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Draymond Green
So after we won Game five, so, you know, all the owners and, you know, the gm, everybody's in the locker room. They celebrate and whatever. Everybody's happy. So I go in the locker room and said, Everybody give me $200. They're like, what? For what? I was like, I'm gonna take it, wrap it up. I'm gonna put it in the ceiling. And we come back and get our money for Game seven. And so where I got that from was from, you know, Doc Rivers. We played the Lakers in 2009. We played the Lakers during a regular season. It might have been Christmas, and they blew us out. Like, they killed. And so Doc went around the room and collected money from everybody, put the money in the sale, said, we coming back for the NBA Finals, and we coming back to get our money, and we came back and we played in the Finals. They beat us that year, but we came back and played in the Finals, and the money was still up there, too, in the ceiling. So I got that from Doc, and so we came back Game seven. I'm gonna tell you what's crazier than that. You know how cheap LeBron is. So.
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Tyronn Lue
Oh, man. Golly.
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Draymond Green
We win a championship, you know, Game seven, I go up in the ceiling, the money still. It's like 4700 or something like that, right? So I pocket. You know what I'm saying? And so Bron, we.
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Justin Pennik
We.
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Draymond Green
They throwing champagne. They.
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Tyronn Lue
Whatever.
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Draymond Green
So Bron said, hey, T. Lou, where's that money at, man? I said, man, I went up there. It's missing. I don't know where. It's. We just won a championship, and he's worried about getting 200.
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Baron Davis
The great. The great LeBron.
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Tyronn Lue
That is hilarious, because that is exactly how he is to.
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Baron Davis
That's crazy. He frugal, huh?
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Draymond Green
No, he. I mean. I mean, generous, too. I'm just saying.
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Baron Davis
But, like, he want his money back. Yeah.
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Draymond Green
Yeah, for sure.
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Baron Davis
He earned that.
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Draymond Green
He.
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Baron Davis
He need his cut out of pocket it, too.
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Draymond Green
In the middle of popping champagne. Used to win a championship. And you asked, where the two hundreds.
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Baron Davis
At, man, don't forget.
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Tyronn Lue
But I was just about to say, but interestingly enough, it's less about him being frugal and more about, like, dude, don't miss anything. Like, yeah, he'll miss nothing.
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Draymond Green
Nothing, man. And like I said, him and Kyrie, like I said, they were special. That. That. That final. They were. They were special. Like I said, game five, both of those guys having 40, and just like I said. And once we got to game seven, like Bronson said, give me the game seven, and I'll do the rest, you know, and so. But bad. Bad, man.
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Baron Davis
Yeah. Speaking of game seven, I mean, everybody talk about the block, and then obviously Kyrie's shot. But there is there another play that you feel people miss that helps secure that title.
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Draymond Green
Kevin Love, when he switched out on.
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Tyronn Lue
Steph, Ooh, he sat down.
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Baron Davis
Hey, dude, he sat down. That's one of the ultimate sit downs in NBA history. Dude.
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Draymond Green
That was crazy, because it's crazy because it wasn't supposed to happen. So, you know, like, you know, I don't want Caleb on Steph.
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Baron Davis
You don't want that.
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Draymond Green
Something happened and break down where he ended up on step. And I mean, Caleb, I give him credit, man. He sat down. He sat down. He brought in four or five different moves. Like, you know, forced step into a tough shot. But that was a big play. I think we might have been up three or maybe four. I'm not.
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Tyronn Lue
Maybe three.
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Draymond Green
Yeah, three. Yeah. Big stop. And I think that's when Bron got the rebound and got fouled. And then we went to the free throw line. Oh, no, no. Got the stop. Kyrie went close to coast, threw it to Bron, and he fouled him. And then he went to the line and made. Yeah, but that was Caleb, man, moving them puppies, man.
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Tyronn Lue
He was. It's crazy because we watched, we seen, like, oh, this is it. Like, we up, y'all up three. Step out the tie. This is it. Like, we got K Love on the ISO. It's over. And he was moving.
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Baron Davis
I think it's a pretty. I thought he was gonna lay it up. Yeah, I thought he was gonna lay it out.
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Draymond Green
Yeah, he probably surprised Step, too, for sure. Cause, like, I mean, he was there. He was there. He.
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Tyronn Lue
Boom.
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Draymond Green
I was like, damn. Okay, Kayla. But I was nervous. I was nervous as hell. Like, I didn't. How did he get on step?
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Baron Davis
That was the Moment, Dude, I thought he was. I thought Steph was gonna drive. Cause he had got a layup. I feel like the play before on the drive, and it was enough time. You know what I mean?
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Draymond Green
Right, right.
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Baron Davis
But that switch was like, okay, Steph getting to the. Step back and shout out. Shout out to the brewing. Great. Kevin Love. You know we brewing. Sit down, bro.
- [26:57]
Tyronn Lue
Stop it. Y'all don't know.
- [26:59]
Baron Davis
Sit down.
- [26:59]
Tyronn Lue
I got a couple people from UCLA that sit down. You, Russ and Drew.
- [27:04]
Baron Davis
Keep going. Norm, Norm, Norm.
- [27:06]
Tyronn Lue
Don't sit down no more.
- [27:14]
Baron Davis
Hey, Norm was just on the show talking about defense.
- [27:20]
Draymond Green
Just keep talking about offense.
- [27:22]
Baron Davis
Come on, North. What happened? He all offense now. T. Lou.
- [27:28]
Tyronn Lue
And Matt Barnes. That's it. That's all. Y'all got this loom, loom, loom.
- [27:33]
Baron Davis
Come on. Peyton Watson, Zach Levine.
- [27:37]
Tyronn Lue
But Zach Levine. And if you don't, Zach don't play no defense. Also, how many. And that whole group you just named how many all defensive teams in that group?
- [27:48]
Baron Davis
Oh, man. We always get.
- [27:50]
Tyronn Lue
Oh, I bet. So we gonna move on.
- [27:52]
Baron Davis
Yeah, yeah, we gonna move on.
- [27:54]
Tyronn Lue
We gonna move on. We just not gonna speak of UCLA like they defense.
- [27:58]
Baron Davis
You Big Ten, baby. We gonna see when that matchup happen.
- [28:04]
Tyronn Lue
Y'all don't want to play us. It's nice weather where y'all go to school. Okay, don't. Y'all don't want to play us. Don't do that. It's crazy because T. Lew was just saying they decided to switch Clay and step stuff. And the way they were guarding us, it was then, like, man, and even a little bit before that, like, we struggled a bit with okc, but then we ended up coming back and winning that series. And then it obviously reared his ugly head against the Cavs in a great year, but teams were starting to figure out how to guard us. And so, you know, at that point, we gotta figure out what's next. We go sign kd. What's your reaction to that, T. Lou, when you see that it's over.
- [28:45]
Draymond Green
Like, it's like. I mean, like you said, we thought we figured y'all out. You know what I'm saying? Instead, we went back the next year. It could have went either way again. But, like, we thought we had the blueprint on how to guard and how to attack. You know, how to attack y'all offensively because y'all was always top five in defense. You know what I mean? A big shout out to Ron Adams. You know what I'm saying?
- [29:05]
Tyronn Lue
Like, yes, sir.
- [29:08]
Draymond Green
But when y'all got kd, it Just made it. So, I mean, come on, you. You blitz Steph, and now you got Clay and KD on the weak side. You know, you short rolling, you got Eagle dollar for the lob, and you got Clay and KD in the corners. Like, it just became.
- [29:23]
Baron Davis
Come on, dude.
- [29:24]
Draymond Green
Yeah, it just became too hard. Like, it just. It was too hard to. To really, like I said, match up offensively, and y'all was always great defensive team. Um, so once y'all got kd, I mean, it was like. I mean.
- [29:36]
Baron Davis
Yeah, and. And he can get his own money. You know what I mean? Like, he can get his own money, too. That was so. That's what made it so unfair.
- [29:44]
Draymond Green
Yeah. So what you do, bd, you blitz kd, and now you got stepping clay. It was just, like. It was just too much. It was too much. Now.
- [29:52]
Tyronn Lue
It was interesting because that's what ended up happening then. Teams was like, oh, we're going to switch here. We gonna switch. And so we will run our stuff. It's. It's literally how our offense would go. We would run our stuff. And either KD getting spot up shots off the off. Cause team's blissing and now I'm kicking to them. Or getting alive to Dre.
- [30:15]
Draymond Green
Yeah.
- [30:15]
Tyronn Lue
Or the team starts switching it, and then we just get a ball to K and K go one on one. If you double. If you double, we hitting Steph.
- [30:23]
Baron Davis
All right?
- [30:23]
Tyronn Lue
So then they start doubling off me, and then that's where we start doing the handbags. You throw it to me. I'm catching. I'm handing off. I'm catching. I'm faking. I'm going to the cup. I got Andre on the live now. That's where that came from. But it all started with us getting K. And then like, all right, y'all switch. Good luck.
- [30:41]
Draymond Green
Right? It just. It was too much playing on the.
- [30:44]
Baron Davis
Lakers winning championship with those two Laker teams, playing against Golden State, losing in the finals, beating them in the finals. Where does those Laker teams stack up against the Cleveland Cavaliers championship team, the Golden State warriors championship team with kd. You probably the best person to give some insight, because you played on the Lakers and won a championship with them.
- [31:07]
Draymond Green
Man, I just don't see nobody, like, beating the Lakers team. Like I said, when he got kd, I got to go back and reassess it. Just the. What? I'm just saying, the biggest factor, like, is Shaq. Like, you know what I mean? Shaq was just. I mean. No, I'm saying you can't stop him. Like, you can't guard him, you know what I mean? And you know, you had, you know, God rest in peace, one of my guys, Mutombo, like I said, defensive player of the year, you know, Shaq averaged 30, what, 36, whatever, and 14 that series or something. But like, I mean, it just wasn't on answer for Shaq. Like, okay, say you know, you had, you double team Kobe or Kobe had a rough night with it. There's just, there's no answer for Shaq and you could fathom. But now you got three centers playing the game. So you're now your third and four string center and playing against Shaq because everybody else fouled out or in foul trouble. And now you in a bonus with, you know, six minutes ago in every quarter. Like, it just, I just don't see an answer for Shaq. And that's like, that's what people don't talk about and understand is his dominance was, was, you know, unmatched.
- [32:08]
Baron Davis
I agree. And then you get that backup center, the third string center, they ain't shot blockers. They not, you know what I mean? They, they may be a little different. So it just kind of softened up the defense. But you know, I, I, I always say it's, you know, I'm, I pull favoritism to our era just because of, you know, you got Shaq. Shaq was just a dominant player. Kobe was super dominant. But then all of the other players on the team were high skilled, cerebral basketball players that could play basketball, that love to play basketball, that can make adjustments on their own, you know what I mean? As opposed to, you know, a lot of the modern day basketball is more so adjustments from a coaching standpoint. You know, the coaches have to make the adjustments because I think the players are young, right? And so there's a, there's a gap of veterans to young guys and there's a learning curve that feels like that's why y'all got so many damn coaches over there on the sidelines to try and help. Is that, is that the case?
- [33:17]
Draymond Green
I mean, it's a lot of player development going on, you know. And so I do think, like I said, these player development groups that you put together, you see on every team, I think it's very important because you got guys coming in 19, 20, 21 and don't really know how to play the game, you know, so like our guy, we got Sean Fine. He's amazing. Like, you know, he's him and you know, Dante Jones and you know, Jeremy Castle, Cookie, Bo Kamen, Connor, all the Guys, they put in work every day, like Chris Hogan, and you see it paying off, like, you know, just with our young guy, Kai Jones, like, he's got better and better and better. Like, you know, so it's important. So I think when you drafting these young guys, you got to have guys that is willing to be in the gym, do the, you know, the hard, grinding work every single day, and then, you know, mold and get these players to where they want to be. And so I think it is very important.
- [34:07]
Tyronn Lue
I just want to. I just want to say something about.
- [34:10]
Draymond Green
I don't even want to talk about.
- [34:17]
Tyronn Lue
I gotta say something about. That's gotta say something about that. I found it interesting because, you know, it's a very interesting one. I'll tell you why it's very interesting, because Quite honestly, Shaquille O'Neal is my favorite player of all time. So it's a little challenging for me to be like, yeah, somebody gonna stop Shaq. Cause it's very hypocritical to my childhood beliefs and, like, how I actually feel. So it's very hypocritical of me to say that. And quite honestly, I don't think any of us could have stopped Shaq, just like no one else in Shaq's era could stop Shaq. I just don't think that was happening. But I do think we then pose some challenges on the other side for Shaq that you just can't stand in the pain against us, big fella. Like, you know, I'm a. Again, I am the biggest Shaq fan you're gonna find, but you can't just stand in the paint against us. Like, we gonna exploit that. And so what y'all gonna do defensively and then at, you know, also depends on the time that we playing. Because, you know, when y'all were playing that couldn't play zone in the NBA. Then obviously now you can play some zone, but you couldn't play zone then, you know what I'm saying? So that also changes it to where we can really get at Shaq. But in saying that, nah, I think I don't really have much of an argument just on the sake of it being Shaq. So I'm gonna let y'all have that.
- [35:46]
Baron Davis
Okay.
- [35:47]
Tyronn Lue
Just on the sake of it being the big diesel. Because you right, though. Ain't nobody stopping Shaq. And it actually pisses me off, man, when people don't try to get Shaq the credit that he deserves. Like, and, like, don't talk about Shaq in the light that Shaq Is like. It's the most dominant player we've ever seen.
- [36:06]
Baron Davis
Nah. Ever.
- [36:07]
Draymond Green
Hey, here he is right here. B.D.
- [36:20]
Baron Davis
Hey, hey, hey. That is one of the biggest hacks in summer basketball history. Hey, T. Lou. T. Lou, Remember how mad we used to get that Dante dude for playing and following people in the gym? Hey, Draymond. Draymond, you seen nothing like this, bro. You seen nothing like this. You shoot, he stays. See, there you go.
- [36:47]
Draymond Green
That made my heart warm. Like, if you. If you all defenders are hacks, that man on the side of camera, that's crazy.
- [36:56]
Tyronn Lue
I don't even follow that much. The referees just don't like. Okay, another hack, another hat. Chris definitely a hack.
- [37:12]
Baron Davis
Teach him your ways, Dante. Teach them your ways.
- [37:16]
Tyronn Lue
He's definitely a hat.
- [37:18]
Draymond Green
I'm sorry. But now what happened? What was going on?
- [37:20]
Tyronn Lue
Nah. So, yeah, I'll give y'all that. Although I don't think. I don't think y'all team was as good as ours. But in a matchup, nobody stopping Shaq. But I'll tell you what, you got to come out that paint, big fella, and you might just be looking crazy. That's all I'm gonna say.
- [37:36]
Draymond Green
Yeah, no, he. I mean, yeah, talent wise, but, like, when you got the two best players in the world in the same team, I'm saying, like, okay, we. I mean, only team I saw even do a halfway decent job on Shaq, like I said, was San Antonio. Like, you know, the front and back with David Robinson and. And Tim Duncan, but still. Yeah, he still averaged 27, 28, you.
- [38:01]
Baron Davis
Know what I'm saying?
- [38:01]
Draymond Green
But, like, it just. Man. It just. Him and Cole, man, together like that.
- [38:06]
Baron Davis
I mean, and Shaq could move. Shaq could move. He wasn't no stiff.
- [38:10]
Tyronn Lue
He wasn't. He wasn't as stiff, but he wasn't. He wasn't as stiff, but he wasn't moving like Shaq had been moving, what, years. Shaq started to get in them later years in.
- [38:20]
Draymond Green
In la.
- [38:21]
Tyronn Lue
He wasn't moving like that no more, man. Shaq started getting heavy stack shack started rehabbing on. On company time. Shaq wasn't moving like that.
- [38:32]
Draymond Green
You think about the three stops after that, when he went to Miami, of.
- [38:36]
Tyronn Lue
Course, he was completely done moving in Miami.
- [38:39]
Baron Davis
Miami, Miami. Year one, he was straight. Year two is when.
- [38:44]
Tyronn Lue
When we gotta stop. I gotta stop. This is gonna come off like I'm hating off Shaq now to break my heart. So we gotta stop.
- [38:53]
Draymond Green
The Phoenix, Cleveland, you know, with the Lakers, he was still.
- [38:58]
Tyronn Lue
He was still, of course, he was still dominant, but again, coming to move them puppies on the. On the. On the wing with Katie and Steph and putting them in pin downs with Clay. That's he. He wasn't moving, moving.
- [39:09]
Baron Davis
Not doing none of that.
- [39:10]
Tyronn Lue
He wasn't moving like that. That's all I'm saying.
- [39:13]
Draymond Green
Gotta have got. You gotta have guys that's gonna get through the screens for sure.
- [39:16]
Tyronn Lue
Kobe will chase over the screen. Let's see t l getting nailed by the screen.
- [39:20]
Draymond Green
No, I'm kidding.
- [39:22]
Baron Davis
Over the screen, man.
- [39:25]
Draymond Green
He had to come out. He had to worry about I'm getting through the screen.
- [39:29]
Justin Pennik
So.
- [39:31]
Baron Davis
I a say playing against that dude, howu in the game, you know.
- [39:36]
Draymond Green
He ain't got do nothing.
- [39:37]
Baron Davis
You know what I'm saying?
- [39:38]
Draymond Green
But you know what was crazy, though? Back in those days, and we was talking about, other than me and b show, you know, it was automatic because back in those days, you had a 4 and a 5 on each block. You know what I mean? So when the ball hit the wing, whether it was a pick and roll or not, you was automatically in an ice stance. Yes, because it's gonna be. It's gonna be a big on the block, and that's what made it easier to guard back then. You know what I'm saying? You know, you have a four on the block, a five on the weak side block, cross screen, but when the ball hit the wing, you automatically jump in a no middle stance and sit it down, whether the pick and rule or not. And so that's crazy. That. That was real crazy. But it was easy. But, you know, it made your life a lot easier, for sure.
- [40:16]
Baron Davis
All right. All right. Switching beats to the Clippers. You talked about Norman po and how he stepped up this season to become pretty much a go to player on this team. Talk a little bit about Norm and, you know, who does Norm game remind you of in your playing days?
- [40:34]
Draymond Green
Okay, first, let's start with. I mean, with Norm. Like, just to see the work he puts in every single day, you know, BD and dre, like, I mean, he works too much for me. Like I said to me, I mean, but he works hard and he's wanting to be a starter. You know, having PG and having kawhi, you know, it was hard for him to start, you know, but this man works every single day since I've been here. Like, just seeing the amount of work he puts in. And, you know, his slogan is utg Understand the grind. And he grinds every day, like, working on everything. And so for him to get this opportunity and to play the way he has, like, I'm just happy for him because, you know, he puts in like, he puts in like real, real work, you know. And so I'm just happy to see him like happy years having people starting to recognize what he can do, you know, as a starter. So that's really good. As a player, more like a microwave, but I didn't get a chance to play against microwave. But I see a lot of them. Just that Bill, you know, he's still norm. He, I tease him because he's, I say he's 6 foot, but he's 6 three years. If you straighten his legs up, he might be six, seven. But I would say like you're saying like Michael Wave, like can score at all levels, man. Just instant offense. And he did it last year for us off the bench, you know, averaged 16 points off the bench, lay the league in fourth quarter three percentage wise last year, you know, he can just, you know, come in, he's an instant score. So I would say more so like microwave if I had to, you know, say. Anybody.
- [42:10]
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- [42:40]
Justin Pennik
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- [43:33]
Tyronn Lue
Y'all got James playing at a. And I when I say y'all, I mean obviously coaching, but you know, he's doing it. But James playing at an all star level this year, back looking like the James that we all have Grown to know, you know, going through them battles with, you know, them Houston teams. Like, that's the James that he's looking like now. What's it been like? James once said, I am the system. You know what I'm saying? I am a system. Like, and seeing him play this year, it's like you as a coach and y'all staff has put him in all his pet sets that he like the run and have twisted some things to, you know, sets that you. You've incorporated. But putting him in those situations that he liked to get to that he's thrived in and became James Harden as we know it. What's that adjustment been like? What was those conversations like to go to him and be like, all right, listen, obviously PG gone, Kawhi out and taking a team that most people seeing, like, dang, PG left, Kawhi out. This team gonna be bad and got this team rolling. And he playing at that level. Just what. What was the kind of the build up to that and, you know, just the adjustments that you've had to make and getting him back in that role.
- [44:53]
Draymond Green
Yeah, well, the good thing for us is he's been accustomed to playing that way, you know, so we got him last year. He more so just tried to adapt and, you know, he was a playmaker and, you know, ran our, you know, with Kawhi and pg, like you said, he didn't come in. I think James averaged like eight or nine shots a game last year, you know what I mean? And he just kind of just, you know, got everybody involved, pick and choose his spots. But this year it was a different conversation, like you said, with Kawhi being out, with PG being gone, like, we need him to turn back the clock, like, you know, the same position he was in to carry that burden, you know, offensively. And, you know, our front office has done a good job of acquiring Derrick Jones Jr. Who's a defender. You know, Chris Dunn is a defender. And you put those guys around James where he doesn't have to, you know, guard every single night. And now he can just focus and lock in on scoring a basketball and making guys better. And he's flourished, like I said, and he's used to accustomed to this role. But like, it started in training camp. Like it was a hard training. It was a throwback training camp, you know, like, mess up on the line 6:14, you know, but no, every day. And I give him credit, you know, like he did it every single day whether he liked it or not. And. And that's what's kind of got us to this point, but, like, just every day, practicing, playing every game where you miss one game, you know, the whole year, playing every night, you know, all the training camp stuff, and then taking this young team, like I said, just put them on his shoulders and just showing them how to work, showing them how to win, showing them how to do things the right way. And like I said, he's been great for us, like you said, all year long.
- [46:24]
Tyronn Lue
I think it's dope to just see him back at that level. And where I give you credit and him, it's like I didn't even know he still had that level in him. You know what I'm saying? Like, to even get back to this level, it's special to watch. But one question I also want to ask you is in coaching Bron and in coaching James, I always say, obviously, the way they went about it, two completely different ways, but talk about how both of them can control the entire pace of a game and having a guy like that, that every time down the court is capable of getting you a good shot, because I don't think people understand in this league, there's not your favorite player can't just do that. Like, there's only a select fewer guys that can make that happen in this league. And obviously now having James playing at the level of doing that and then having Bron, just what are the similarities in them controlling the games? And then what are the differences?
- [47:24]
Draymond Green
And that's what. That's one thing, like you said, is why I think it should be all star this year of just things he's done so far, just making guys better. But like you said, to generate a good shot every time. Now, you know, whether you make it or not, you know, it's a make mislead. But, you know, he generates a good shot every single time for himself or for his teammates. And just look at all the people. When you talk about him and Braun, like, how many people they done got paid.
- [47:47]
Tyronn Lue
Yes.
- [47:47]
Draymond Green
Throughout the. You know what I'm saying? That's what it's.
- [47:49]
Tyronn Lue
Capella should still be watching James Cars.
- [47:52]
Draymond Green
I mean, I'm just saying, like a lot of people. You know what I mean? The same with Bron. Like, you know, they made people better. They got guys paid, they got coaches paid, like Bron got me paid. But, like, just to control a game and knowing that you're going to get a good shot every time down the floor, like, you just don't find it everywhere, you know, and so people don't. Don't Respect that part of the game where you got a guy that can generate a good shot every single time.
- [48:17]
Tyronn Lue
When the last time Mozgov came and watched you and Brian Carrs.
- [48:22]
Baron Davis
I seen.
- [48:22]
Draymond Green
Big Mozz Beverly Grill two weeks ago.
- [48:29]
Baron Davis
That's hilarious, man. You're one of the best coaches in this league. You know, we've said it before on this show. We say it all the time. As far as in game adjustments, just talk a little bit about, you know, your philosophy around in game adjustments, and then when did you notice, like, hey, bro, I'm kind of nice at this coaching thing. When did that hit, man?
- [48:50]
Draymond Green
Well, it started back, like I said, you know, doc and Danny Ainge, you know, gave me my first opportunity. And it started when I played for Doc in 2003 in Orlando. And he told me. He said, listen, T. Lou, when you done playing, you can come coach. I'm like, man, I ain't coaching you crazy. Like, you know, coaching wasn't in me, you know, but when I finished in 2009, like, that's all I knew. And so I give a lot of credit to Doc because, like, you know, when we lost a tough game or a hard game, you know how I used to go back and sit in the back of the room when he did media and just listen to how he handled himself and how he handled the media, you know, just all the ATOs at the timeouts, like, Doc was, you know, the best, in my opinion, you know, back in Boston, just running ATOs. And I was able to learn from Thibodeau, you know, in Boston, then I learned from Lawrence Frank, you know, and so I had a lot of guys that I could learn from. You taking, like, you know, Doc back then was the best coach in the league, you know, so you learn it from Doc, you learn from Thibodeau, was the best defensive coordinator in the league. Learn from Lawrence. And so I had a lot of guys that I. That I learned from. And so I give them a lot of respect, you know, for me being where I'm at today. But it's. It's hard. You know, it's hard, BD It's a hard job. You know, as a player, you know, you just kind of basically worry about yourself, you know, as a coach, you got to worry about everybody. The assistants, the medical, the, you know, the equipment managers, the players. And so when you lose a game, you know, you got to go back and look yourself and like, man, what could I have done different? What could I have done better? And, you know, like, it was A tough grind. But I learned a lot along the way to be in this position and putting a lot of hard work to be in this position. There's a lot of great coaches out there. And so just to be mentioned, you know, the same breadth with a lot of these guys, you know, it means a lot, you know, especially being a young coach.
- [50:37]
Tyronn Lue
You said something that I actually wanted to address anyway. You just said it. You said, lebron get a lot of guys paid. He got me paid. And I want to ask you about that, because coming in, obviously, you take over a team, you go on to win a championship. And a lot of people knew you were great in what you brought in that situation that even the coach that, you know, you were assistant under couldn't bring. And everybody just knew, like, there was a specific thing that was going to be needed. Nobody felt that he had it. No disrespect to him, but everybody felt you had it. And saying that, you come in, you take over team. Obviously, Bron's playing, and Bron is always going to get much deserved credit that he gets. But you said, Bron get a lot of us. Brian get a lot of guys paid. He got me paid. A lot of people tried to say that initially, like, oh, man, he was coaching Brian. Of course he gonna come in and win a championship. As if that's just a given. You then started to be known as, and rightfully so, as one of the best coaches in the league, period. How was. How. How was it for you to kind of break that tag of, yo, he's LeBron's coach? Because, you know, everybody always try to make it a stigma of like, oh, he's LeBron's this, he's LeBron's that. He coached Bron, so that's why he won a championship. So much so that even then, the Los Angeles Lakers want to give you a contract that aligns with LeBron's contract. How was it for you to break that stigma of Bron and knowing how great you were or how great you are, but how great you were as a coach?
- [52:21]
Draymond Green
I mean, the outside. The outside noise really didn't bother me because I don't have social media. I don't really get into all that. Everybody has their opinions, but he really helped me. But the biggest thing for me is I sat down with him, Kyrie and Caleb, and I told him, this is what I need from you guys. Like, if I want to win, if we want to win, this is what I need. And I give those three guys a lot of credit. But when people say that, you know, bronze. Been the league, what, 21 years, he had four championships. So, I mean, they act like he won 21, you know what I'm saying? Like. Like, you know what I'm saying? He's one. He's won four championships. And so, you know, he hasn't won every year. And sometimes it takes, you know, a special person or a special situation to get to that point. But like I said, Brian deserves all the credit. But my. What fulfilled me was when he came to me and said that, you know, I was a great coach and, you know, one of the best coaches he's ever played for. And so that enough right there meant a lot to me. And so I think, you know, once, you know, he went to the Lakers, then I had a chance. I go to the Clippers, I think, and coach that team. We go to the conference finals. When Kawhi gets hurt, you know, I think that's when I finally got my respect. You know, once I, you know, my first year with the Clippers, we go to the conference finals, and I was able to get out from under LeBron's umbrella, you know, but it shouldn't be like that, like you said. And I know that he's brought a lot to me, you know, as a coach, made me better because he's so high on execution, doing things the right way. And you got a guy who's the best player in the world that had never been late. Like, he's the first one, like, you know, shoot around, practice, leave. And then, you know, a lot of times you have guys who of his stature come on the bus 10 minutes late, they're playing 20 minutes, man. It's never late. Never. Like, respect everybody's time, respect everybody what they're doing. And like I said, without him, like I said, I wouldn't be who I am today. Because he made you better. Because when I come in, present, you know, a scout report how we want to do something, I know that he's not going to miss a beat. And I know I got to be sharp in what I'm doing every single day, every single night, because he doesn't miss a beat, you know, and so he's made me better, for sure. So I'm not. I'm always gonna give him the credit because, like, he's made me better at who I am. And so hopefully one day he can say, you know what? TLU was one of the guys that got me over the top when I got back to Cleveland, you know. And so, you know, I give Like I said, all the credit to him. Like I said, Kyrie, K. Love, be able to sacrifice, you know, because you got to think K. Love came from Minnesota, where he was the man getting.
- [54:52]
Tyronn Lue
20 and 20, 30 and 20s, 30s and 20s.
- [54:57]
Draymond Green
Ask K. Love, like, hey, man, could, you know, be in a third option, you know, But I'm gonna. I'm gonna feature you when you're on the floor, out of timeouts, different situations. And for him to buy in like that and to win a championship, like, it just says a lot about them and who they are, too. But I give, like I said, all the credit to Bron, but for making me a better coach, you know, every step of the way.
- [55:16]
Tyronn Lue
No, I think that's dope. And I. And I. And I respect it because, again, to have the influence, to have the impact that Bron has, obviously, you know, it's a great platform, but then you have to be capable of living it, like, on that platform. Like, you can't, because if you're not capable, you get swallowed up fast. And anything that he's involved in. And it was like the same thing with Rich, I think the same thing with Mav, you know, where all the guys that has grown with him in a certain aspect, it's like, oh, they're only this because of him, but it's like, nah. Hey, there were some people along the way that weren't able to take advantage of that opportunity, right, B. They don't get to the situation without being special anyway, you know, and. And, you know, when Rich first started clutch, it's like, oh, he's LeBron's agent. Like, oh, he's only. And it's like, no, I've. I've actually built the best sports agency in the business. And you. To see you kind of break that same stigma in your own way.
- [56:25]
Draymond Green
Like, Rich, like you said, he's built where Mav is built. You know what? I've continue to go on and build, you know, but it's all. Like I said, it's. It stems from LeBron. But just because I give you a million dollars until you invest it, they don't mean you can make the right investments. You know what I mean? Like, I could be broke in two years, or I can make. I can have 10 million in two years. You know, so, like, what you do with it. And that's what I say about LeBron, because, you know, when they. When they fired Coach Black, they could have went with anybody and, you know, had the confidence in me, you know, to say, you know what? Nah, you know, I like T Luke, you know, and so that's big, yo.
- [57:01]
Baron Davis
That's big.
- [57:02]
Draymond Green
That says a lot, you know, 38 years old to, you know, step in there and, you know, feel some big shoes. Because like I said, Coach Black went to the NBA finals the year before, and when I took over halfway through the season, we the number one team in the east, you know. You know, that was a lot that came with it too, you know, so. But like I said, for those guys that had a belief in me to do it, you know, it says a lot. So I'm happy about that 1000%.
- [57:26]
Tyronn Lue
And just speaking of guys that you've done it with, your relationship with Steve Ballmer, how has it been, you know, and working with him, you know, just the type of owner that he is, the resources that he's bringing to the team and building that incredible arena, you know, and I obviously, the only other owner that you've coached under the head coach is obviously Dan Gilbert. But just what is it that Steve has brought as an owner of that team and it being a joy to coach and having an ownership group like that?
- [58:04]
Draymond Green
What he's brought is family. When you get a chairman that really cares about your well being, your family's well being the team, everybody works in this organization. When you get somebody really actually cares, is genuine. You could tell somebody's bullshit, you know what I mean? But like, when you could see when it's genuine, you know, like when Covid first hit and we were in a bubble, you know, and Black Lives Matter and, you know, we started that slogan and. And trying to, you know, help our communities and help our culture, he stepped in and everybody on the team and even Doc Rivers, the head coach, he donated to a million dollars to everybody's charity or community center or. Yeah, everybody to, you know, to put it to wherever you want to put it to. You know, he told us we're going to. When he first took over, I'm going to build a new arena for us. Like, you know, he couldn't invite another team like the Lakers to come play here so he can generate money. But it wasn't about that. It was about us, you know, and so like this man, crazy story which Ryan west gets on me got told all the time, but it's, for me, it's huge because during the season a couple years ago, he said, you know, what are you passionate about? I said, I'm passionate about my family and I'm passionate about where I'm from, which is Mexico, Missouri. He said. I said, I Want to do something special there, but I really don't know what to do. Like, you come from a small town, 11,000 people, not a lot of money in the community. So he was like, I'm gonna go take a trip with you one time and I'm gonna take a look at it. I was like, all right, yeah, right, whatever. So the summer hits. He called me, hey, when we're gonna go to Mexico? And I was like, what you mean? He's like, we're gonna take a trip to Mexico. I'll give you three dates. Pick one. So I gave him a date. Long story short, we fly private on this plane. We fly into Jefferson City, Missouri, go down to Mexico, Missouri, you know, we walk around, tour the city, just, you know, brainstorming. And the next year, I mean, and the man sleeps in the best western hotel in Mexico, wakes up the next day, wakes up the next day. They didn't say it's the best sleep. I had a long time. Wow, the seventh richest man in the world. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's just how genuine he is. And then, so we started a program, my C2C program, which is cradle to career, commitment to community. And he donated three and a half million dollars the first year, which we was. It was a. A five year plan to raise $10 million. In the first year and a half, we raised 18 million. But like, he put me in contact with pri. He donated three and a half million, like. And so he's just been putting me on the right path to do a lot of things. And like I said, we've changed Mexico so much right now, but we still got a lot more to do. But just like I said, his vision. And like I said, every single day before the game comes in for 10 minutes, checks on me, how you doing? You know, just so positive. And he's like that with everybody. Like, it's. And it's genuine. You can feel it. And so that's like. I mean, he's one of the best people I've met in my life, man. He's like, he's unbelievable. He's incredible.
- [61:05]
Tyronn Lue
That's incredible, man.
- [61:07]
Baron Davis
Shout out to Bomber.
- [61:08]
Tyronn Lue
Absolutely. That's fire.
- [61:10]
Draymond Green
You had a lot of interactions with Mr. Bomber.
- [61:13]
Baron Davis
Yeah, he. When he started the baller vision. Clipper vision. Yeah, yeah, he's been great. I mean, you know, one passionate about the game. Love talking about the game. I say, even for, you know, Clipper alumni, you know, we got kind of like this starting to build a. Once a Clipper, always a Clipper. Kind of fraternity, which is cool and bringing a lot of guys back. So, you know, I respect him for what he do in la, in the community, with the courts, with the foundation, with the investments, like somebody who really came in here not just as a owner who owns a team that's just all about the team and all about trying to get resources to the team, you know what I mean? He's been about the entire city, bro. Like, every park, every inner city. Like, the amount of people that shout his name on the foundation side and the way he's helped, you know, mobilize this community is like, you know, that was like my dream, but I ain't got no Steve Ballmer money, you know what I'm saying? But it's just good to see, like. And it's good to see the Clippers, like, care about the inner city and care about la, and then that's why you starting to see that Clipper fan base, you know, grow in la for real. And then. And then, and then, T. Lou, since you've been in la, you know, you heard a lot about Kawhi and his health this past year. The critics have been super loud. How are you? How. My question is, how excited are you that he will return? And just kidding. I mean, I thought she was gonna give me a date. I was like, how excited are you he will return?
- [63:03]
Draymond Green
I'm very excited, man. It just, you know, the big thing. Mbd, like, I said, you was one of the baddest point guards in the league. When I talk about guys, like, hard for me to guard, it was always you, Gilbert Arenas, AI, you know what I'm saying? And you was. And people don't get a chance to, you know, to see your full career because, like, so you got injured.
- [63:23]
Baron Davis
Yeah.
- [63:23]
Draymond Green
You know, but that doesn't mean you wouldn't put in the work. That doesn't mean you, what, you don't want to play. That doesn't mean you wanted to be on the floor.
- [63:30]
Baron Davis
Totally.
- [63:30]
Draymond Green
And so, like, you have bad. You have. You have bad players that, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, our elite players are perennial All Stars are, you know, or superstars. And just because, like, Anthony Hardaway, like, you know, Penny Hardaway, like, he doesn't want to get hurt. Like, you don't want to be hurt, you know, so, like, it's just hard for the criticism to come his way. But I know I see him every day, grinding every day in the weight room, grinding on the court every single day, and it just, like, it's just Unfortunate that, you know, he can't control what, what he has going on. Like, he just can't control it. If he could, he would, like, you know, so it's hard to see all the criticism that he gets, you know, because he's hurt because he's not playing. Because if you got a guy that's hurt and they're not putting the work.
- [64:12]
Baron Davis
In to get better and get better, that's the difference.
- [64:14]
Draymond Green
Yeah, that's totally different. This man is grinding every single day. Yeah, every single day all summer, every summer to get to where he want to get to. And it's just unfortunate, like I said, it's times when he just can't control it, you know. And so that's just the part that's hurtful because he's not a guy. Don't lay down. He's not a guy that doesn't care, you know what I'm saying? He, he does care. And that's what people don't understand, you know, from the outside. And it's just tough, man.
- [64:41]
Tyronn Lue
And you see former players that been through this spewing like, oh, like, man, don't get me stuck.
- [64:47]
Baron Davis
Well, they not real. They not real, cuz you got, you gotta, you gotta really go through injuries. I mean, T. Lou, you were, Remember when I was hurt playing in Vegas and, you know, trying to get back, like, man, you trying to get back, and then next thing you know, you may overcompensate a little bit. You may lift one or two reps in some tear, you know what I mean? So you never right, like, once you get hurt, you are never right because you're never 100% of what you were before you got hurt. Jay, Me and you talked about that with your injury earlier in the year, right? And it's just like, man, you gotta work to get, you gotta work to almost get to 85%, right? Right. And you'll never get to 100%. Nope. You gotta work to get to 85 and hope you don't get to 75. Right, because you're tired meter, you're wearing tear and all that. So, you know, I think, you know, a lot of times fans don't understand that, the mental part of it, the hard work part of it. But like, if somebody's not on the court is definitely not the result of them not working.
- [65:56]
Draymond Green
Yeah, just think about the organization, you know, as a whole. Like, you think they would continue to give him $50 million if he wasn't in a world trying to get back. Like, if he was a lazy you know, say a lazy dude they wouldn't like. Okay, all right, cool. You hurt? You done? We done. You know what I'm saying? But, like, this man dedicated every single day, man, to try to be on the floor. And like I said, it's painful to watch because, like I said, he wants it so bad, man, and he's doing everything, and so I'm happy. He's getting close, man. And for me, like, I've been hurt a lot, too. I had three knee surgeries, micro fracture, and sometimes just. It's the mental part, like, can I do it? You know what I mean? Can I get over this hurdle? Can I do it? You know, Can I get back to being who I was? And people don't understand that, man. It's a grind, you know? But he's been grinding. Like I said, I'm happy for him.
- [66:43]
Baron Davis
Fun Guy is one of my favorites, man. You know, I heard him rapping before.
- [66:47]
Draymond Green
Oh, really?
- [66:48]
Baron Davis
Yeah. I had Fun Guy in the studio. He may be mad. He may get mad at me, but, you know, I have Fun Guy in the studio. He got bars. He got bars. He be spitting.
- [67:02]
Draymond Green
People don't know. Yeah, people don't know.
- [67:03]
Baron Davis
He's a funny dude, man. I was gonna ask you one last two Kawhi questions. Cause, you know, I'm a Fun Guy fan. I need a Kawhi. I need a Kawhi ism for sure. And then the second question is, describe the similarities and the differences between coaching a Kawhi and coaching a LeBron.
- [67:23]
Draymond Green
Well, Kawhi ism a funny one. So me and my boy Boogie, cousins, you know, that's my. And so I was mad at him one day, and, you know, he kept going back and forth. I said, man, Boogie keeps doing this. I was mad at Boogie, right? And so Kawhi came up to me, said, man, he can play. He's good. He's good, though. I said, yeah, I know. I said, he's getting on my nerves. Whatever. Whatever he said. I said, man, I'm just tired of looking at him. Whatever he said. Just don't look at him. Like, how am I coaching players? Don't look at him. You know what I'm saying?
- [68:00]
Baron Davis
Leave him on the court.
- [68:02]
Draymond Green
Don't look at him, like, because, you know, he's the most. He's one of the, you know, most talented centers been around this game.
- [68:09]
Baron Davis
You know what I'm saying?
- [68:10]
Draymond Green
You know, so we got into it one day, but that's my guy. But Kawhi's like.
- [68:18]
Tyronn Lue
You figure it out. But he, he, he good right here. You figure out what you gotta do.
- [68:23]
Draymond Green
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the comparison between like him and Bron, like I said, the hard work, like you said, is it's lined up just like this, like both putting in, like you said, the work, you know, every single day, like grind every single day to get better. Just think about, you know, where they come in their career. Like Kawhi, when he first got in the league, he wasn't a shooter, you know, and he expanded. He was a, he's a corner shooter. Then he became better at the wings, you know what I'm saying? Then every year he's gotten better and better. Now he's a 43, be a 40%, you know, three point shooter. You know, he was able to take steps of being a post player, getting better and getting better. Same with Brian, came in the league, he wasn't a shooter. Now he doesn't shoot 40% for free. Put the work in. And so they remind me a lot of each other, like I said, when it comes to that work ethic and, you know, putting that work in to get to where they want to get to.
- [69:19]
Baron Davis
Kawhi is funny.
- [69:21]
Draymond Green
Yeah, he's funny. I mean, Brown's funny, but Kaw's funny because he don't do a lot of talking, but when he talks, you know what I'm saying? So that's what, that's what makes it crazy, man.
- [69:36]
Tyronn Lue
Our coaching staff this year, we added Jerry Stackhouse to take over our defense. One thing that I found that, that, that he does is he, he get his grades out. It's funny because he had something on the, he has something on the grade. Today I had a conversation with him. I'm like, stack, man, like you, you graded me on this based on how you grade somebody else, but I intentionally did this. Like I'm covering two right here. And he like, yeah, but you supposed to do this. I said, stack, but you ain't gonna tell Steph Curry to drive to the rim because someone else drives better. He gonna shoot the three. So we had this whole conversation and we went at it for 15 minutes. It was great. Me and him, just me and him. It was incredible. Y'all have brought JVG in who. And you know, I've heard a lot about just kind of his approach and, you know, what he's brought to the staff and defense looking incredible. Is there something that he's brought that you would say has been different than maybe y'all were doing or a different approach than what you had before? Just bringing his coaching style, which is more of an old school coaching style than kind of the coaching style of what coaches do today.
- [70:49]
Draymond Green
Well, one, he's brought us, he brought us a purpose defensively. You know, a lot of people just go out there and play defense. And like I said, I always hate playing against you because you always read, you know, you know what's coming with atl, you, no, you take him over there, I got this. And now y'all switch. You blow the whole play up like, and have that iq. But he's bought us a purpose defensively. And if you look at our team, like, if you start James and Norman Powell, I give Norm a hard time, but they're not really defenders. And so if you can be a top five defensive team in this league, you know, starting those two guys were small, we're little, we're scrappy. But he's born some purpose. And what he's, what he has done, Dana, is that, you know, you know, most teams, they don't want to leave the corner. You know what I mean? Or, you know, you guard a great shooter. But our thing is, if you're close, go get it. And like, for most time, you know, you drive the ball, you know, a guy in the corner gonna stunt and get back. Like, no, you close to us, we going to get it. And you don't see people, the corners, you know what I mean? Or if you go to the basket, you spin the next guy is right there and we'll figure out the rotation on the backside. He's made us more aggressive. Like, if you close to the ball, no matter who you guard or who it is, if you close, go get it. And like you said, generating so many turnovers. But he's bought a purpose. He's brought a mindset to our team. You know, I come in early, you know, every day, and I come at 5 o'clock in the morning, he's already here. You know, he's passionate about what he does every day. Like, he takes it hard. Like, we win by what, 37 last night and Utah scored 107 points. He's pissed off. Like he's mad. You know what I'm saying? Like, come in, I talk to the brother. He's. We just did fish the game the right way, you know, we got first three game, you know what I mean? So. But he's passionate about what he does. He brings that, that mentality. Like, no nonsense. Like when he's, when he's on the floor and we going through defense, it ain't no Messing around, you know what I mean? He's locked in. And so it's been really good for us. And shout out to Stockhouse, too, because he's done a good job. And I played with Stack in Washington when we played with Jordan together, you know, so I love Stack, you know.
- [72:51]
Baron Davis
That was a 51 game, Dre. Hey, I was guarding him. T Lou was in that guard. T was. I didn't want.
- [73:03]
Draymond Green
They put Lee Naylon, they put a lead nae Stacy Augment, you know what I'm saying? And then. And then it was crazy about that dayday. I looked it up the other day when, you know, he had 51 points. So I looked it up, man. I played 18 minutes, I didn't score.
- [73:21]
Baron Davis
Hey, bro, you gotta watch the tape. Cause me and you are talking.
- [73:25]
Tyronn Lue
Yeah, yeah.
- [73:26]
Baron Davis
Like, you gotta watch the game. Cause we just having a conversation like, oh, I'm not gonna help. And you like, well, I ain't getting the ball. I'm like, well, let's wish we had some popcorn to watch this.
- [73:37]
Draymond Green
He was mad that game, right? The reason why he was mad that game is because the game before we played New Jersey Nets, and they put Kenya Martin on him and, like, he struggled to score, you know. And at this point, MJ's 39 years old. They was like, all you gotta do is put length and athleticism on him. He can't score. Know bigger. Six, eight, six guy, you know, they. He can't score on those guys. Whatever. So the next night, we played Charlotte, and they, you know, put le lines, a couple guys on.
- [74:04]
Baron Davis
Le don't play defense. Le don't play.
- [74:09]
Draymond Green
Y'all had. Y'all had David Wesley torched P.J. brown, you know what I'm saying? But, yeah, he was on one. He was mad because, you know, against.
- [74:22]
Tyronn Lue
Jersey, you had an opportunity this summer to coach. The Olympics, you know, was a part of the staff, Steve. And I'll be honest, I was one of the main people, one of the main guys, saying, I don't understand how in the hell Jason Tatum's not getting any minutes. I didn't understand it. Obviously, y'all going to win. But in looking back at that situation, was there something that could have been done differently to where Jason Tatum. Because now he got this vengeance against us, and I'm not sure he got that same vengeance against y'all, T. Lou. But now he got this vengeance against us we don't really need, Right?
- [75:13]
Draymond Green
That's my little cousin, you know.
- [75:15]
Tyronn Lue
Really?
- [75:15]
Draymond Green
So St. Louis, his dad is my. Yeah. First cousin. Wow. Yeah, that's my. Kind of my functions in Mexico when he was younger. So that's my cousin. So I felt bad for him. But, you know, we talked every single day. But the biggest thing for me, like, I ain't going to go against coach's decision. If I'm a coach, I'm a stand in, you know, whatever the head coach decision they make you have, you will never hear me say I disagree, you know, not to a player, not to anybody. Because, you know, that's not my response. Like, my job is to be all in, you know, and so. But I will say I like the way J.T. handled himself. You know, he was professional. He didn't try to go home. And like I said, as a guy who's been first team all NBA three years in a row, you know what I mean? Coming off winning the championship, you know, won a gold medal back in, you know, 21, like I said, it was tough for him, you know, and so I just try to talk to him. I just try to be positive with him, keeping the right head space and like, so I'm just glad he got through it. I'm glad he got a gold medal like you said, and he was able to play, like I said, that last game in the gold medal game, so. But I'll never be one of those guys where his family or not, if I'm. If I'm, you know, in the, you know, that's what it is. And so. But I am proud, like I said, Lil Jay, how he handled himself and how he conducted himself throughout the, you know, the hard time and adversity of what he had to go through.
- [76:44]
Tyronn Lue
No, I think. I think that's dope. Do you ultimately. I don't think Steve's going to do it forever. Do you hope to ultimately one day take that over and be the head coach of the USA team? Is this something you want to do again?
- [76:56]
Draymond Green
Yeah, I mean, I would like that opportunity because, you know, as a player, you know, you grew up with, want to be on Olympic team, Of course I wasn't good enough. You know what I mean? But, like, you know, like, that's what that was your dreams, you know, winning the championship, you know, being, you know, Olympic, NBA, to represent your country. But now I have to do it in this capacity has been great, you know, so to be able to, you know, one day be the head coach, if that was possible, and be able to, to be a young black man, to, you know, win a gold medal for your country, I think it says a lot about our Youth about, you know, the evolution, kids looking up to us and, you know, being that, you know, young black coach, you know, winning a gold medal for your country and represent your country, there's no better feeling than that.
- [77:38]
Tyronn Lue
If I'm still playing in 2028, me.
- [77:40]
Baron Davis
And Draymond coming to coach.
- [77:42]
Tyronn Lue
Ah, you coaching because you can't move no more if I'm still playing.
- [77:45]
Draymond Green
Hey, hey, I'm in.
- [77:47]
Baron Davis
T. Lou, next year, I'm getting invited to Golden State warriors training camp. What do you think my chances are of making the team if I. I'm in shape?
- [77:56]
Draymond Green
Well, don't guard Steph.
- [77:58]
Baron Davis
I'm not messing with Steph.
- [77:59]
Draymond Green
Yeah. How do you not love it? You got to be 42 now.
- [78:04]
Baron Davis
Yeah, I'm like, 38. 42.
- [78:06]
Tyronn Lue
It's over. It's a R. I don't know.
- [78:10]
Baron Davis
I'm like, 37. 43. You know.
- [78:15]
Draymond Green
I don't know. Love. I. I ain't speaking on that. Never kill nobody's dream.
- [78:19]
Baron Davis
You know, I'm telling Draymond, hey, you think I'm playing? Watch me make that team. Next. Back to business. You watched Steph Curry go off in the final minutes of the Olympic championship game against France 1. How did it feel getting a gold medal in that fashion? And, like, talk about the experience now, you know, coaching Steph in the Olympics.
- [78:46]
Draymond Green
To finally be on the team. I felt like Bron, like, you know what I'm saying? Olympics were so many times. It came up short, you know, but it was. It was really good. You know, the thing that I like the most. Take me out of it. Is that just Katie, Steph, and Brian, like, you know, three guys and, like, say, in our generation, like to be able to play together on that level, you know, to represent your country, to win a gold medal together. I think that was one of the coolest moments I've seen, you know, just seeing those three guys come together. So that was great. And then my time, like I said, I've always dreamed of being in the Olympics, representing my country and to win a gold medal, like, alongside of Steve. How Braun felt about Steph. I felt about Steve battling every year. Battling, battling. You know what I'm saying? And Steve's a great coach. Being there with SPO and then having Mark Few from Gonzaga who was on the staff as well, man, it was just great to just, you know, learn so much and see so much pick each other's brains. It was. It was an amazing experience, man. So I'm just happy that, like, Steve, you know, extended the invitation as well as Grand Hill. And it, it was beautiful.
- [79:59]
Baron Davis
Now we're going to talk a little bit about your playing career. You grew up in a small town, went to Nebraska, which we talked about. Mexico. Shout out Mexico. 11,000 people. Where you wore the number. Were you at a 23, 23rd pick in the 1998 draft? You had the, the red. What was that? The navigator on the 22. Gold. Yeah, gold rims too, huh?
- [80:24]
Draymond Green
No, no, I didn't.
- [80:25]
Baron Davis
Yeah, no gold rims. Midwest bumpkin.
- [80:30]
Tyronn Lue
Hey, hey, relax yourself, man. Relax yourself.
- [80:34]
Baron Davis
You ain't gotta go there, you know. You know, Midwest ain't right. Goes. Man, I thought he had.
- [80:40]
Tyronn Lue
That's true.
- [80:40]
Baron Davis
But you.
- [80:41]
Draymond Green
Yeah, I didn't have gold. I, I didn't have goals. I had. I had the silver joints. I give shout out to mark and darnell. 3, 1 0, motoring.
- [80:50]
Baron Davis
That's right. 3, 10 motor. Remember that? We was kicking that. That was going up. But 98, you got drafted. What was. Who was your favorite player growing up and then looking back on your journey, like, talk about like, what made what. What was like your happiest moment?
- [81:09]
Draymond Green
My idol. I mean, Jordan was everybody's idol for sure. I couldn't be like Jordan, you know, I couldn't be. He's six. Six. I couldn't be that. But you know, Michael Jordan was definitely everybody's idol, but someone that I loved and try to pattern my game after. It was three guys actually. It was Kevin Johnson. I love kj, I love Terrell Brandon, and I love Kenny Anderson. Like, those are my three guys that I looked up to and, and like idolize and wanted to, you know, part of my game after. That's why I like, I love the mid range so much because of KJ and Terrell. Brandon, two of the best at doing it, you know, especially when I was coming up, you know, watching the game and. So what was your next. What was your second question be? Oh, my favorite moment was it's gotta be when I got drafted and was able to buy my mom our first car. You know, we never had a car growing up our whole life. And to get drafted and buy my mom that Cadillac Escalade, her first car. Big baller. You ride through Mexico with a Cadillac, you know what I'm saying? You big baller. But that was one of my happiest moments. Get my mom, you know, the car, you know, house, my grandma house. And like, for me it's always been about just taking care of others, taking care of my family. And that's why I want to do it. That's what made me so hungry. And so, you know, you think back, like I said, 20 years old, 21 years old. You know, red Navigator, you know, you was at ucla.
- [82:41]
Baron Davis
I had the blue Expedition. Remember that?
- [82:43]
Draymond Green
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so you gotta be careful. You gotta be careful driving. There you go. You driving a red Navigator. I'm like, man, I'm from the Midwest.
- [82:56]
Baron Davis
Hey, Dre, he all in Inglewood. He just going places. I'm like, bro, you can't be. You can't just be driving this red navigator on 20s with the. With the thump coming out of it. Oh, man.
- [83:09]
Draymond Green
I was. Yeah, you look like I'm, like, drowning. I'm 21 years off from the hood in Mexico. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know. Like, I'm hanging with Pete Pierce. We worked out together every day, you know, we go and play at Rogers Park. You know, I'm just hoping, like, I don't know.
- [83:23]
Baron Davis
Hey, bro, he is in awe. Remember I took you to the Drew League? What'd you tell me when I took you to the. Julie, don't ever do what. Bring you back up here, ever.
- [83:31]
Draymond Green
Yeah. Hey, daddy, we go down the Drew League down there, you know. You know, of course, I ain't scared to go nowhere. You know, I'm young, whatever. But he like, Jordan down there. So we go to.
- [83:44]
Doug Gottlieb
He.
- [83:44]
Draymond Green
He dropped me off. He's all over. He's talking to people. I'm by myself the whole time. Grip and bloods. And you know what I'm saying? Everything. They mugging me. You know what I'm saying? Like, AI just stepped over me. You know what I'm saying?
- [83:56]
Baron Davis
Like.
- [84:01]
Draymond Green
Talking stuff to me.
- [84:03]
Baron Davis
He was not feeling that. We was not feeling the Drew.
- [84:06]
Draymond Green
It was all love.
- [84:09]
Baron Davis
It was love. But it. It was early, too. Remember? You was back because it was early in the morning. You was like, bd.
- [84:15]
Draymond Green
Yeah.
- [84:15]
Baron Davis
Come on, bro. You got me down here. This is. Is. This is a gamble. And Jay, that was back, But. Oh, Drew. At Drew Middle School.
- [84:23]
Draymond Green
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [84:25]
Baron Davis
So the gym, like, this big. The gym, like, this big. So everything somebody say you can hear.
- [84:30]
Tyronn Lue
Yeah.
- [84:30]
Baron Davis
You know what I mean?
- [84:31]
Tyronn Lue
Absolutely.
- [84:32]
Baron Davis
Even people whispering on the sidelines. But T. Lou, that was my guy, man. You held me down when I was in college, and then I wanted to share the story. You probably don't even know. Roy Williams recruited me. And when I was. When the. Y'all came out here for the best in the West. And at the time, I was five, three. And I used to Watch after you play for cmh. Yeah. So I was like, that's my guy. That's who. That's who I can be. When I saw you play on cmh, I was like, yo, I could be him, because I'm going to be a little dude. I played on Paul team. I don't even know if you remember that I was on Paul's team.
- [85:15]
Draymond Green
But we played y'all in the Slammin Jam.
- [85:17]
Baron Davis
Yes, bro. Roy Williams. And everybody in the camp thought I was a handicapped kid.
- [85:25]
Draymond Green
What you mean?
- [85:25]
Baron Davis
Because I played with a limp. I was fresh. I was three days out of a broken ankle, and I showed up at the best in the west because I just wanted to get recruited. So I. So I only played garbage time, bro. And I. And I had a lip and I had a limp. I was the little dude on the team with the lip, and everybody thought I was handicapped. Even Roy Williams, he was like, what happened to that handicapped kid? He was so good. I was like, bro, that was me. But like, you are my guy, man. You are my guy. And I never forget that. I watched that game, like, damn, I'm gonna be like him, man. That little dude got gang and he.
- [86:01]
Draymond Green
Became six'three a perennial all star. Max.
- [86:07]
Tyronn Lue
Was that. Was. That. Was that, like, one of the most shocking things that you had to deal with in, like, coming from a small city and, like, moving to, like, la?
- [86:15]
Draymond Green
Yeah. So I grew up in Mexico to my sophomore year in high school, and then my sophomore year in high school, I moved to Kansas City with my uncle Kevin Graves. And so, because, like, in Mexico wasn't being recruited, you know, there's a lot of politics, you know, as far as who plays, who doesn't play. And people weren't coming to Mexico to see, you know, see kids play, you know, and so it was hard on my mom, you know, because, like, to let your son go as a sophomore in high school, to move, you know, to Kansas City. I went to Raytown High School. It was hard for. But if I wanted to get to where I wanted to get to, it was the right move, you know? It was the right move. And so I played in Kansas City, went to Raytown High School, and then I played on the AAU team. BD talking about with Derrick Hood, you know, Jamal Walker, Manny Dot. I think our whole team went D1. And the younger team underneath us that played up sometimes were Earl Watson, Corey McGetty, Jaron Rush, Cole O'Neill, you know, so we had good teams. And that's when I got my first look Because I wanted to go to Georgia Tech because I was, you know, Kenny Anderson and pretty much came to one of the games and he ain't looked at me one time, you know, but it took steps that year. It took step, you know, but that's when I kind of, like, got my name and got on the ma. And that's when I got started getting recruited and stuff. So it was huge for me.
- [87:35]
Baron Davis
Yeah, we know you play with Shaq, who's a big prankster in la. You gotta give us a. A wild Shaq prank or give us, you know, I know he's one of the best teammates ever, dude.
- [87:49]
Draymond Green
Yeah, one of the best teammates ever. Somebody got a genuinely giving and taking care of people like Shaq was that. But I remember one time he asked Devin George to do something, and Devin didn't do it. And so, you know, Devin, you know, late. Didn't do it. Whatever. So Shaq's. All right, cool. So the night before we had a game, Devin's, you know, I think, on the court, shooting, whatever he's doing, the training room, whatever. So Shaq goes in the stall and he takes a. In Devin's shoe.
- [88:19]
Tyronn Lue
Oh, my God.
- [88:21]
Draymond Green
And so. And so he takes it and he knocks it. He knocks it, you know, so it goes all the way down to the. To the front of the. And so Devin. Devin comes back, go put his shoe on Drake. And he stick his foot. Stuck his foot in some.
- [88:36]
Tyronn Lue
Oh, my God. That is crazy.
- [88:40]
Draymond Green
It was crazy.
- [88:44]
Tyronn Lue
Oh, my God.
- [88:46]
Baron Davis
Oh, my God. Hey, those sack is wild.
- [88:50]
Draymond Green
Wow. Crazy.
- [88:53]
Tyronn Lue
Devin George is a rookie at that point.
- [88:55]
Draymond Green
Yeah, dude.
- [88:56]
Baron Davis
He probably devastated.
- [88:59]
Tyronn Lue
Wow, that's brutal, man.
- [89:01]
Baron Davis
Shaq is the biggest kid in the world, dog. Shaq is the biggest kid in the world.
- [89:07]
Draymond Green
You know what I give Shaq credit for is I give Shaq credit for being a megastar, but living his life. Yeah, because you come across guys that, you know, they won't come out of house. You won't see them. Like, Shaq was out every day. So then it became, oh, that's a Shaq, you know, and that's. He should do it. You know what I mean? Because, like, he was amongst the people. He did everything. Like, so he was a hero. You can live a normal life, but if you just, you know, like, locked in, you come out every now and then, people don't see you. Like, it's harder for you to live that life. But Shaq, like, man, I'm just gonna live. And it. It's probably the smartest thing you ever did. You know what I'm saying because larger than life, but just to live everyday life, like, you know, like me, like, he just went out every day, did whatever he wanted to do and people, oh, it's just Shaq. We saw him last week. You know what I mean? It was cool. Like, that was crazy.
- [89:59]
Baron Davis
Shaq had the city on fire. Oh, my God. He had the city on fire.
- [90:07]
Doug Gottlieb
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- [90:37]
Justin Pennik
What's going on, everybody? This is Justin Pennik from John Boy Media, the host of the Football Today podcast, cast alongside Bobby Skinner and Chris Rose. We're rolling three times a week, on Mondays, on Wednesdays, on Fridays, breaking down everything you need to know about the NFL. We're talking about the MVP race. Is Josh Allen going to pull it out? Lamar Jackson, Can Saquon Barkley even break the rushing record? Can the Steelers keep up their momentum? We talk about everything. We break it down. Stats, analytics. And of course, Chris Rose is bringing his perspective on being a pro in the media world as well. Listen to Football Today on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and you will be glad you did. Hope you could join us for the postseason run.
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Tyronn Lue
Trey, you get traded to the Lakers on draft night. First three. Three years don't go your way. Fast forward to the 2001 playoffs, you find out that you guard Nyerson. How was that conversation with Phil to.
- [91:47]
Draymond Green
Backtrack the year before? The year when Phil got there was in 2000. That's when I had messed my knee up and I got a micro fracture. So I was out for 10 months. So I was out the whole year. We won that first championship and so coming back the second year, it was kind of like, you know, back and forth because they were just trying to figure out who was a good match and good fit. And so they brought in a guy, you know, Mike Pemberty.
- [92:13]
Baron Davis
Yeah.
- [92:13]
Draymond Green
Who was a sharp shooter. Like, he could. Man, he could all over the place. So, you know, back then, if you go on IR day, you got to sit out at least five games. It wasn't like you were aggressive. So if they put you on IR you got to sit out five games. And so it was like a whole year of just back and forth with that. I'm like, I was getting so frustrated. And then one time, they came and put me on ir And I remember I came in, my cousin Doodle. I threw it, you know, like little marble fishbowls. I threw it through a glass table. Man, he went, man, what the hell is going on? So, man, he put me on IR again. I was mad. I was mad. I was, you know, whatever, going crazy. But the craziest thing is, back in those days, if you go on the. If you get on the playoff roster, you gotta be chosen. So we in the war room, and Phil's going around the room telling everybody who's on the playoff roster. And so at that time, we had Mike Pemberty, Jr Ryder and myself. And so when he called my name in the war room, man, I jumped crazy. Kobe, them going crazy. No, everybody was happy. I was hyped. You know what I'm saying? Left Mike Pemberty and J.R. ryder off the playoff roster. So once you off, you can't play. It don't matter.
- [93:23]
Baron Davis
You can't play. Yeah, you done.
- [93:24]
Draymond Green
You can't play.
- [93:25]
Baron Davis
Wow.
- [93:25]
Draymond Green
You can't play it. Yeah. So throughout the course of those playoffs, I was playing like, you know, 10, 12 minutes a game. And what people don't realize, it would have never been me, AI, if Milwaukee would have beat the Sixers in the Eastern Conference, because it been Sam Cassel, Ray Allen. They beat us.
- [93:46]
Baron Davis
They beat us.
- [93:46]
Draymond Green
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wouldn't have played. You know, so. So now we get to the finals. And so the first game, when I check in, like, you know, I'm AI. For two weeks, I'm playing AI, you know, running around fast, doing all this stuff. And so I didn't know if I was going to play or not. But first game, with six minutes to go in the third quarter, he had 36 points, and I hadn't played yet. So the first time I checked in was six minutes ago in the third quarter. He had already had 36.
- [94:13]
Baron Davis
Oh, man, that's brutal. He was cooking that game. He was cooking that game.
- [94:19]
Draymond Green
So you got to think, like, as a young dude, you know, growing up, same height, like, I analyze AI, too. You know what I'm saying? Like, even we close in age, like, that was, like, the culture, you know, stand up for, you know, who we are as a culture, who we are as people. And to live it on the. On the level that he did, I mean, that was huge to Me, you know, so when I had a chance to go in the game, like, I said to step over and all that. Like, at the time, I didn't even know it was a big deal. Like, feel like he calls me over and I fell down and, you know, like, he made a, you know, shot. I contested it and I stepped on his foot, you know what I'm saying? But to happen. But if it wasn't for that series, if it wasn't for AI making it to the finals, I might be able to leak that next year. Daniel. Wow.
- [95:03]
Baron Davis
You play. You bald, though. You bought me on the map.
- [95:08]
Draymond Green
Put me on the map. Because if I didn't have that matchup with him, like, I ended up playing 27 minutes a game in the finals, you know what I mean? But if I didn't have that matchup with AI, I wouldn't have a matchup against Toronto, who had Alvin Williams and Vince Carter.
- [95:23]
Tyronn Lue
Yeah.
- [95:24]
Draymond Green
Milwaukee had, you know, Big Sam and. And Ray and those guys, you know, bd. So I would even have a matchup. So thankfully, you know, thank God he made it to the finals. And like, okay, we need a different, you know, we need a different guy to guard, you know, and that saved my career for real. So it was. It was a blessing in disguise.
- [95:40]
Tyronn Lue
So the step over was worth it.
- [95:42]
Draymond Green
It was well worth it. I'd do it again.
- [95:46]
Baron Davis
Because, you know, they do it. They doing it in football. I was going to ask you, you know, how you feel about all that?
- [95:52]
Draymond Green
You know, I mean, for me, it don't. I don't feel bad. Like I said, it was a part of history. It's a moment in history, you know, but, like, it ain't like I got crossed over and fell down, you know what I'm saying? Like, I contested a shot, step back on his foot, like, kind of rolled my ankle, you know what I'm saying? But they make a big deal of it. But like I said, I'm AI my man. Like, I don't. If I can win a championship, I'll let it. Step over right now.
- [96:23]
Baron Davis
That part for sure. That part.
- [96:26]
Tyronn Lue
That part.
- [96:26]
Baron Davis
Oh, man.
- [96:27]
Tyronn Lue
You end up leaving the Lakers after that. Going to the Washington Wizards. End of that September, Black Cat mj, the Michael Jordan decides he is going to return and play for the Wizards. How did you learn about MJ making his return? And was there any indication before he announced it that he was going to be coming back and playing that season with y'all?
- [96:51]
Draymond Green
So it's funny how it happened because, you know, during that series with The Philly Lakers, you know, after that series, you know, Doug Collins, he's the one that made that step over famous. If it weren't for him, people would have made a big deal out of it. Oh, he. But then it's funny because he became the head coach the next year with the Wizards. Wow. And so after him watching that series, like, that's my biggest payday. You know, they gave me two years, four million. You know what I'm saying? At the time, I was making 400,000.
- [97:20]
Baron Davis
You know what I'm saying?
- [97:21]
Draymond Green
So, like, no. 600,000. So I was like, okay, I gotta take this deal. But it was rumblings that MJ might come back. But, you know, MJ was part of the front office already. And so a guy you idolize and looked up to, if I could be a part of MJ, like, you know, ain't getting $4 million.
- [97:38]
Baron Davis
Come on, yo, sign me up.
- [97:41]
Draymond Green
Yeah, I'm gone. You know what I'm saying? So that's what happened. And then when I did sign, you know, MJ came back and, like, to have a chance to play with mj, like, come on, man. Like, you go from Kobe and Shaq to mj, like, come on, you couldn't have. You couldn't ask. I could have retired after those two years of mj. I could have retired there and been the happiest man in the world. You know what I'm saying? Nobody would ever think you'd be that blessed to, you know, to have that, you know, play with Kobe, Shaq, Andrew.
- [98:07]
Tyronn Lue
That's crazy.
- [98:08]
Draymond Green
Come on.
- [98:09]
Tyronn Lue
Only you and Horace Grant.
- [98:10]
Baron Davis
Oh, wow.
- [98:11]
Draymond Green
Yeah. Yeah.
- [98:12]
Baron Davis
I know we talked about MJ dropping 51 on us, but I was happy MJ came back that year because I had 30 the game before, and I was MJ that night. So I just show my kids that you feel me. Hey, if Jordan don't come back, I don't get 30. I can't tell my kids that I played. They wouldn't believe I even played if it wasn't for that damn dunk. But, like, one of the most iconic plays, one of the most iconic plays of MJ's career was the chase down block on Ron Mercer. What was. That was crazy.
- [98:50]
Tyronn Lue
Oh, so you just around chase down blocks? That's just your thing?
- [98:54]
Draymond Green
No, I mean, I guess. I mean, I missed. I mean, I was part of it because I was there when Taysha unblocked Reggie Miller. Because I was there. That's your pistol, baby.
- [99:05]
Tyronn Lue
Wow.
- [99:05]
Draymond Green
You were there there for that? Just bad luck, Ron. IGUODALA and then Jordan Merson when he pitted against the glass, two hands.
- [99:18]
Baron Davis
Wow, that's crazy. And Ron Mercer was like a all American. I thought that was the thing that killed his confidence. Yeah, he was.
- [99:34]
Draymond Green
Him. Kg, Steph, you know, but like, Ron Mercer was Shout out to Ron Mercer.
- [99:40]
Baron Davis
There was a legendary 2010 pickup team in Vegas. Yeah, there was a legendary pickup team in Las Vegas. Impact. Known for trading. No, we. It was a. It was a league. I think they trying to get y'all credit.
- [99:57]
Draymond Green
It wasn't a league.
- [99:58]
Baron Davis
It was just runs. But y'all cheated all the time. Yeah. Cheated. You Chelsea? Yeah, yeah, I was cheating, bro.
- [100:07]
Draymond Green
Day. Let me tell you what happened. So. And you know, I was a solid player, but in the summertime.
- [100:14]
Baron Davis
Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Hey, bro. Oh, my God.
- [100:18]
Tyronn Lue
Listen, all along.
- [100:21]
Draymond Green
So we had. You don't like this story too, because he's your partner. Dae dae. So we played best of seven series every day for two months. We had the same team. We didn't lose a series for two months. And the team we had was just all guys that were just like middle pack players, you know what I'm saying? In the NBA. But together it was me, Tayshawn, Jared Dudley, Patrick O'Brien. And our best player was Alan Anderson. Wow.
- [100:50]
Tyronn Lue
Double A. Oh, my God.
- [100:53]
Baron Davis
Oh, my God.
- [100:54]
Tyronn Lue
Dude.
- [100:55]
Draymond Green
Jordan that summer. Hey, hey, Dana. He was Jordan that summer.
- [100:59]
Baron Davis
Diabolical, bro.
- [101:00]
Draymond Green
Like, it was just running thing. Like, we never got beat. So they bought in Beatty and Stephen Jackson and Matt Barnes. Ron Artest guys was flying him LA like, are we going to beat this? Nobody beat us to hold something. Chauncey. Kyle Lowry. J. O. We. Hey, everybody.
- [101:19]
Baron Davis
I ain't gonna even lie. We could have beat y'all. But remember, I had Tony Allen on my team. And. And. And T.A. oh, my God. T.A. passed the ball, bro. I'm out here working on my game, too. OG like, nah, not today, bro. Get a.
- [101:40]
Draymond Green
Hey, Danny, we blitz. We blitzing, picking rolls.
- [101:44]
Baron Davis
Hey, bro, they call it sets.
- [101:46]
Draymond Green
Yeah, we rotate. J. O Catching the post with Patrick O'Brien. We come double team. He kicking the ball.
- [101:57]
Baron Davis
Hey, dudes. Was mad frustrating.
- [102:00]
Draymond Green
Crazy summer.
- [102:01]
Tyronn Lue
Hey, that's. That's funny. I can't remember if it was that summer, but I. I know I had been up to impact when you were up there, T. Lou. Cause I remember the day that I was up there. Big baby was up there. D. Jones came in yelling to the top of his lung, talking shit to everybody. Then you catching. Cause Joe D. Jodee has sent me Jordan, a couple more. Our friends out there to train for like four or five days. So we was out there training that impact.
- [102:34]
Baron Davis
Yeah, on. On the little side court.
- [102:36]
Tyronn Lue
Hey, relax yourself, bro. Like, we got main court work. Joe Dumar sent us. We got main court work, a little.
- [102:44]
Baron Davis
Side court, and then the defunct court.
- [102:47]
Tyronn Lue
It's cool. It's cool. Y'all both. Y'all both old as hell now. How about that?
- [102:57]
Baron Davis
You ain't gonna say that when I make the team next.
- [102:59]
Tyronn Lue
Y'all both old as hell now. You wanna. Nah, take the side course.
- [103:03]
Draymond Green
But Joe Bunazar, man, he had. He ran a good. He ran a.
- [103:06]
Baron Davis
Hell yeah, he did.
- [103:07]
Draymond Green
Yes, he did. Shout out to Joe. He with impact, man. It was. That was. That was huge, though.
- [103:13]
Tyronn Lue
Yeah, he did a great job for sure, T. Lou, what's your biggest coach? And what if.
- [103:18]
Draymond Green
What if Bron stays in Cleveland and what if KD doesn't go to Golden State?
- [103:22]
Baron Davis
Oh, that's a good one.
- [103:25]
Draymond Green
What.
- [103:25]
Baron Davis
What player is the hardest to game plan for?
- [103:29]
Draymond Green
It's always been Steph. Like, you know, I think, you know, Steph is. I mean, is. Is one of the hardest. I mean, the hardest guy the game plan for because of, like, everything he creates, he creates everything off his movement. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, and people always want to try to duplicate, you know, what Golden State does, but you can't duplicate that because your best player who was a Hall of Famer, who was top five player in the league, like, that's how he wants to play, you know, so they got. Man, why we don't, like, you know, our Kawhi's not gonna run around like that. He not running around like, James Harden gonna run like that. Like, you know what I mean? So you can't duplicate that. And that's why I always say, like, you gotta coach to your personnel, not to your system. You know what I mean? Your personnel has to fit your system. If not, you gotta change and do different things. Like, every year I coach different. I got a different system, you know, every year. But Steph is the player that loves to play that way. You know what I mean? So when you have your best player that wants to play that way, it's easy to do because everybody falls in line. But if you don't have that personnel and have a guys that do that, it's hard to play that style of basketball.
- [104:39]
Tyronn Lue
No 1000%.
- [104:41]
Baron Davis
I totally agree.
- [104:42]
Tyronn Lue
We always in for a good list before we get out of here. Appreciate you taking all this time, by the way. I Hope I. I hope I cost y'all a lot so we can catch up with y'all, but, you know, that's.
- [104:54]
Baron Davis
That's another story.
- [104:56]
Draymond Green
We gonna play for a couple days. You know what I'm saying?
- [105:00]
Tyronn Lue
We always love a good list. So I'mma ask you this question. I also love that it's become more of a thing. Like, there's more of us, and, like, that's the way it should be. Your top five coaches that are players that turn coaches of all time, man.
- [105:20]
Baron Davis
What. What are the qualifications, though? Do it just dudes who coached or.
- [105:24]
Tyronn Lue
No, they.
- [105:25]
Baron Davis
They were.
- [105:26]
Tyronn Lue
They were NBA players. And then. And they are the top five. They were NBA players. The top five coaches that were players turned coaches.
- [105:37]
Draymond Green
I would say Doc Rivers. I would say Al Adams.
- [105:41]
Tyronn Lue
Oh, the great Rip.
- [105:43]
Baron Davis
The great Al Adams.
- [105:45]
Draymond Green
I would say Bill Russell.
- [105:48]
Baron Davis
Oh, my God.
- [105:51]
Draymond Green
Casey Jones. And then probably Lenny Wilkins.
- [105:56]
Tyronn Lue
No, Phil, right?
- [105:57]
Baron Davis
No way.
- [105:57]
Draymond Green
Oh, Bill. Yeah. I mean, great. But yeah, yeah, yeah, but, like, feel like. Feels like kind of grandfather. Like, we talk about the most Shaq. No, no, you don't count Shaq. We don't. You know what I'm saying? Like, you and your own. Your own stratosphere. But yeah, I mean, yeah, like, I.
- [106:14]
Tyronn Lue
Feel like Phil and Pat is in, like, their own. In another ballpark.
- [106:18]
Draymond Green
Yeah, I forget about Pat.
- [106:20]
Baron Davis
Yeah, that's another one, huh?
- [106:23]
Draymond Green
That you gotta ask me. I gotta write that down first. And then I gotta.
- [106:26]
Tyronn Lue
You know, here's the thing, though, T. Lou. I love Pat. I love Phil. But it's the same thing kind of ends up happening with mj where you like, yo, he in his own ballpark. But, like, nah, but like, people can catch up. You know what I'm saying? Like, people have put Phil again, and Phil and Pat, nobody's caught up. But, ah, maybe, Pop, Nobody's caught up, but we always put these guys in these categories. Like, they can't. Their stuff can't be touched. But, like, it's guys working towards that. Like, I feel like when people talk to goat debate, for instance, a lot of people just say, like, Brian. Like, they ain't gonna say it's Brian or they ain't gonna say it's Kobe because they come after mj. Not saying that they are better, but just because you come after. Don't. Like, what. What is it that has to go on for someone to be like, okay, they are in that category with Phil and the Godfathers. Phil and Pat, you can win.
- [107:22]
Draymond Green
You know, I think the biggest thing when you look at that, no matter who's on the team or who's playing. Like, you gotta win at a high level, you know, and so when I look at Pat Riley, when I look at field like they want at an elite level, like, say with Pop, five rings, Steve car, four rings. Like, you know, so, like, they've won at an elite level. And so I. I just. I basically think I winning, you know, me, you know, so when you look at Pat Riley, you look at Red A bog. You look at, you know, Phil Jackson, like, it's. I mean, I know you shouldn't exclude them, but like, they're just in their own.
- [107:58]
Tyronn Lue
Yeah, for sure.
- [107:58]
Draymond Green
You don't know then. And then you just kind of go from there. But, man, now we gotta start all over again. Then.
- [108:06]
Tyronn Lue
Let's go. Go for it.
- [108:08]
Draymond Green
We got Steve Kerr.
- [108:09]
Tyronn Lue
Stevie Kerr.
- [108:10]
Baron Davis
Yep. Steve Kerr.
- [108:10]
Tyronn Lue
I was going to Stevie Kerr next, but you.
- [108:13]
Draymond Green
But you forget, like, the players that actually coach. You know what I'm saying? So Steve Kerr.
- [108:18]
Tyronn Lue
Doc.
- [108:20]
Baron Davis
Doc, Lenny Wilkins.
- [108:24]
Draymond Green
Lenny, are you. Are you basing off, like.
- [108:28]
Baron Davis
I was basing it off of your hoop game and then how you won as a coach?
- [108:32]
Draymond Green
Yeah. Would you, like, was you a solid player? Like, was you a solid player in the hoop game and solid as the coach, you mean?
- [108:37]
Baron Davis
Like.
- [108:38]
Draymond Green
I mean.
- [108:38]
Tyronn Lue
All right, well, you know what we gonna do? We gonna go mixing the player and the coach. The greatest of all time, Stevie Kerr. You drop out, my friend.
- [108:47]
Draymond Green
Oh, no.
- [108:47]
Baron Davis
Oh, no.
- [108:48]
Draymond Green
He made one of the biggest shots in the NBA.
- [108:50]
Tyronn Lue
He did. But he made the shot like, come on, Steve Kerr. I love Stevie Kerr. That's my guy. Who.
- [108:56]
Baron Davis
Just like Steve Kerr got me socked in my chest in San Antonio.
- [109:00]
Tyronn Lue
He gonna flash his championship rings on me.
- [109:03]
Draymond Green
And he had. And he had the highest three point percentage, I think, in NBA.
- [109:08]
Tyronn Lue
He did. He did.
- [109:11]
Baron Davis
Steve Kerr was tough, Dre.
- [109:13]
Tyronn Lue
I ain't rolling players.
- [109:15]
Draymond Green
You got Steve Kerr, Phil Jackson, Pat.
- [109:19]
Tyronn Lue
Riley, Doc All Star Doc, Bill. I mean, Bill Russell, Bill. Of course.
- [109:28]
Draymond Green
Lenny Wilkins was my number one pick, right?
- [109:32]
Baron Davis
Yep. Lenny Wilkins won one as a player, too.
- [109:37]
Draymond Green
Yeah, it's tough.
- [109:41]
Tyronn Lue
Those lists are always tough, man. We respect all them goats.
- [109:44]
Baron Davis
By the way, this is just Magic Johnson. Magic.
- [109:48]
Tyronn Lue
Magic was an awful coach.
- [109:52]
Draymond Green
No, he wasn't an awful coach. When you have great players that try to coach, they don't have the patience.
- [109:58]
Tyronn Lue
That's a fact. Zeke, when we see you.
- [110:01]
Draymond Green
Yeah, like. Yeah, like, Magic, I'm never gonna be you. Like, you can't get mad at me because I can't throw over the heat when you're great like that. They don't have the patience to. You know what I'm saying, to do it. They didn't think everybody's gonna be as great as them, but it don't work like that.
- [110:19]
Tyronn Lue
Nah. For sure. We respect all these greats. We love them. T. Lou, man, we can't thank you enough, my brother. This was incredible. Hey, and by the way, I gotta share this story before we go. I had it. I was going through my stuff last year, and I talked to T. Lou face to face, fresh on suspension. And T. Lou told me something very interesting, and I'd be trying to practice that. And I will say I've taken steps in the right, direct, meaning I pick and choose. T. Lou said, dre, you gotta still be you. He's like, you ain't special. Not being you. He's like, that's what make you special. You have to be you, and you have to play with that same fire, and you have to be that same guy. He said, but it can't be everybody. Like, it can't be you going at your teammates and then going at your coach and then going at the referees and then going at players on the other team. It can't be everybody. You gotta, like, maybe you at the referees. All right, cool. And move on. Right. Like he said. But you can't. It can't be everybody. And I just wanted to share that, and I just wanted to say thank you. Because that, at that time, was huge for me, and it's actually a lot better for me and implementing that. You know, some games, I'm like, yo, I'm at this dude today. Some games, I'm like, yo, it's a referee. I really don't like him. I'm at him right now like, you know, but. But it is like, yo, pick and choose. Like, it can't be this, can't be that, can't be this, can't be that. And so I. Number one, I wanted to say thank you for that gym, that free game. I appreciate that, my brother. But that was. That was big for me.
- [111:58]
Draymond Green
Yeah. I mean. Cause he brings so much to the game. And like you said, you know, when you. When you. When your mind's everywhere, you can't focus on. On what you try to focus on. And so you can't be mad at coaches, mad the players, mad the refs, mad the other team, mad the fans.
- [112:14]
Tyronn Lue
You know what I'm saying?
- [112:15]
Draymond Green
And now it's time for you to swing.
- [112:16]
Doug Gottlieb
Swing.
- [112:16]
Draymond Green
You got a shot. You so wound up. Like, you ready to fight everybody in the building by the time you get a shot. I do, you know, appreciate what you bring. Like, you're like a brother to me, you know? So I just wanted to. It wouldn't be right if I didn't tell you, like, you know, what I thought, and you could take and do what you want with it, but, like, I just feel like I would have been a brother if I didn't tell you this is how it should be. So I'm glad you're able to implement that and kind of go from there.
- [112:45]
Tyronn Lue
I appreciate you, brother. In the words of BD the T Lewisms It's a wrap from this episode of the Draymond Green Show. Shout out to you fans. We appreciate y'all tuning in. Until next time, the Draymond Green show with my dog, bd. It's a wrap.
- [113:01]
Baron Davis
Yeah.
- [113:02]
Tyronn Lue
Peace.
- [113:04]
Draymond Green
The Volume.
- [113:09]
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