The Draymond Green Show w/Baron Davis: Zach Edey Altercation Explained, Will Wemby Impact the NBA like Steph, Derrick Rose Stories & Gelo Ball’s New Track - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd

Episode Title: The Draymond Green Show w/Baron Davis: Zach Edey Altercation Explained, Will Wemby Impact the NBA like Steph, Derrick Rose Stories & Gelo Ball’s New Track
Release Date: January 8, 2025
Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume

Introduction and Housekeeping

The episode kicks off with Draymond Green and Baron Davis exchanging New Year's greetings and discussing their personal lives, setting a relaxed and engaging tone for the show.

Beef with Zach Edey and Memphis

Baron Davis initiates the discussion by questioning whether there's genuine animosity between Draymond Green and Zach Edey or if it's merely a rivalry stemming from the Warriors and Memphis interactions.

Draymond Green explains that while there's competitive respect, there's no real beef:

"No, there's no real beef with Zach, Edey and Memphis."
(03:50)

He delves into how playoff matchups create temporary strife, but overall, it's based on mutual respect and past competition:

"There's a competitive respect amongst us that they get up for us, and we get up for them."
(08:08)

Referee Bias Against Rookies

A significant portion of the conversation focuses on the perceived bias of referees towards rookies compared to veteran players. Draymond expresses frustration over referees being harsher on younger players, which he believes disrupts the game's integrity and competitive balance.

Draymond Green criticizes the inconsistency in foul calls:

"They get flagrant fouls over a rookie and not over a veteran player, and that's messing up the game."
(10:10)

Baron adds that this inconsistency prevents young players from developing the necessary grit and rivalry essential for the sport:

"Basketball is a game of space... We gotta loosen up that... Because you don't have no rivalry."
(11:09)

Impact of Wemby vs. Steph Curry

Baron Davis poses a question about whether Wemby (Anthony Wemby) can impact the NBA similarly to Steph Curry. The duo engages in a debate, with Baron acknowledging Wemby's potential but Draymond expressing skepticism.

Baron Davis highlights Wemby's unique skill set:

"He is the actual first player you've ever seen in your life that was created on 2K."
(33:53)

In contrast, Draymond Green argues that Wemby's impact won't parallel Curry's due to the latter's self-made skills and universal appeal:

"Steph's ability with his hands and his hand-eye coordination is unmatched. Wemby can't replicate that."
(30:50)

Baron counters by suggesting that Wemby's roots in a competitive environment and his evolving game could position him as a future game-changer:

"He got the freedom to do that with a little bit of meanness in his personality."
(43:16)

Jimmy Butler’s Suspension

The conversation shifts to Jimmy Butler's recent seven-game suspension. Baron Davis shares insights into potential reasons behind the suspension, speculating on internal team dynamics and Butler’s emotional state.

Baron Davis speculates on Butler's emotions affecting his play:

"Somebody who plays on his emotions and his attitude... it's hard to play."
(47:15)

Draymond Green questions the length of the suspension and its implications:

"Why seven? Why so long?"
(54:18)

They discuss the possibility of Butler being traded or the Heat organization opting to let him go, emphasizing the complexities of managing high-profile players with strong personalities.

Detroit Pistons’ Improvement

Baron Davis commends the Detroit Pistons for their cultural and performance transformation, highlighting young talents like Cade Cunningham and the strategic leadership of GM Trajan Langdon.

Baron Davis praises Cade Cunningham’s growth:

"He is an All-Star having an All-Star year... he's leading them by hitting big shots and making passes."
(61:12)

Draymond Green lauds the Pistons' current trajectory and the organization's potential:

"They have salary cap space, they got draft picks, they got everything you need to head in the right direction."
(57:54)

Derrick Rose’s Legacy

The episode honors Derrick Rose, celebrating his career achievements and his recent jersey retirement. Both hosts share personal anecdotes reflecting Rose's impact on the game and his resilience overcoming injuries.

Baron Davis reflects on Rose’s influence:

"He carried the city of Chicago. Derrick Rose is a Hall of Famer. He's one of them ones."
(80:44)

Draymond Green recounts his experiences and admiration for Rose's perseverance:

"Derrick Rose handled being traded with such grace... he's a Hall of Famer."
(80:36)

Fun Segment: Pro Wrestling Tag Team and Jello’s New Song

The hosts lighten the mood with playful questions about hypothetical pro wrestling tag teams and discuss Gelo Ball's new track. They humorously envision themselves as a tag team named "The Dog Pound" with "Atomic Dog" as their walkout song.

Baron Davis on their tag team identity:

"It'll be Atomic Dog. And we would be called the Dog Pound."
(81:31)

They also touch upon Jelo Ball's foray into music, expressing curiosity and amusement over his new release.

Conclusion

Draymond Green and Baron Davis wrap up the episode with mutual appreciation and plans to listen to Jelo Ball's track, ending on a high-energy note.

Notable Quotes Summary

Draymond Green on Zach Edey and Memphis Rivalry:
"There's no real beef with Zach, Edey and Memphis."
(03:50)
Draymond Green on Referee Bias:
"They get flagrant fouls over a rookie and not over a veteran player, and that's messing up the game."
(10:10)
Baron Davis on Wemby's Potential:
"He is the actual first player you've ever seen in your life that was created on 2K."
(33:53)
Draymond Green on Wemby vs. Steph Curry:
"Steph's ability with his hands and his hand-eye coordination is unmatched. Wemby can't replicate that."
(30:50)
Baron Davis on Detroit Pistons’ Future:
"He is an All-Star having an All-Star year... he's leading them by hitting big shots and making passes."
(61:12)
Baron Davis Celebrating Derrick Rose:
"He carried the city of Chicago. Derrick Rose is a Hall of Famer. He's one of them ones."
(80:44)

Conclusion: This episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd offers an in-depth and dynamic discussion between Draymond Green and Baron Davis, covering a range of topics from player rivalries and refereeing biases to emerging stars and honoring legends like Derrick Rose. Their candid conversations, enriched with personal anecdotes and insightful analysis, provide listeners with a comprehensive understanding of current NBA narratives and the intricate dynamics that shape the league.

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[00:37]
Baron Davis
The volume.
[00:45]
Draymond Green
What'S up, everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond Green show with bd My dog. What's up, my brother?
[00:51]
Baron Davis
What's up, my bro? Happy New Year's. I see you and the PJs. You know what I mean? Hey, bro.
[00:58]
Draymond Green
Hey.
[00:58]
Baron Davis
The bro. The. The big dog need some rest.
[01:05]
Draymond Green
First off, happy New Year to you as well. Yes, my kids are still out of school until. Until Wednesday. I'm tired.
[01:19]
Baron Davis
I can imagine.
[01:22]
Draymond Green
I assumed that they were going back to school on Monday till my wife broke the news to me on Sunday that they don't go back to school to. And so, you know, the house has been a bit interesting that day. A lot of energy and so I finally made it here. If I lack energy, just know they took it from me.
[01:46]
Baron Davis
No, bro, I already know.
[01:49]
Draymond Green
I appreciate my brother stuff. I got 10, 8, 4 and 1.
[01:54]
Baron Davis
Damn, dude. I got 10 and 8, you know. And they just went back to school. Yeah, I got a birthday party, Brian. I've been on so many roller coasters, like I'm dizzy. You know what I mean? Like, I woke up one morning, my eyes was crossed and I didn't know why, bro. Cause I was on roller coasters for like every other day over the Christmas break. So I feel you. You know what I mean? I'm just trying to get some balance.
[02:24]
Draymond Green
Listen, I am cooked. But before we get into the episode, please make sure y'all subscribe to the Draymond Green show with Bar Davis so you don't miss any episodes.
[02:34]
Baron Davis
Yeah, that's right. Follow the show on all social media platforms at Draymond show so you don't miss none of our announcements in this episode. We'll be answering questions from the fans, of course. We're going to start with some basketball questions because we got to get back into the groove. Then we're going to get some of the more bizarre out there questions you guys asked us. But you know, for the most part, Dub Nation, what's happening? The first one from made it to the cup to Draymond. Is there a real beef between you and Zach, Edie, or is it more warriors versus Memphis?
[03:20]
Draymond Green
Oh, that's an interesting one.
[03:23]
Baron Davis
I mean, before you answer that, I do want to give you credit when you said, he plays in the NBA, right? Like that people don't understand that that is the highest compliment to give someone. You know what I mean? But people. That's what it is. It's a compliment. It is a high compliment. You know what I mean? And so now you can answer the question about.
[03:50]
Draymond Green
Absolutely. Yeah. The reporter asked me. He's like, do you think Zach Eat is a good basketball, like, in the NBA player? Like, he's an NBA player, right? What do you mean? I think so many people, like you said, people just get it mixed up. Like, if you in the NBA, you do something. Well, in basketball, it's like, very well. Like, it's. That's just the reality of so asking me, like, is he a good player?
[04:20]
Baron Davis
To kind of entice something, trying to.
[04:24]
Draymond Green
Get me to go off the rail. Like, no, he in the NBA. Like, I ain't one of these clowns that's going to be like, no, he suck. Like, yeah, no, bro, he in the NBA. Like, believe it at that. But is there a real beef? Whatever. I. I mean, I don't. He hasn't done enough in the NBA for there to be a real beef. Kind of the way that I interpret it, what it feels like to me is, all right, so you know how. Yeah, I don't know if y'all know. It's like, if someone. If someone has been built up to be, like, getting pumped up, this bully and which they try to build me up to be is like, the big bad bully. Then for him, it's like, all right, someone has told me so many times that I can't get bullied by this dude to where I'm going to just come out, like, ah, overly aggressive. So. So you don't bully me. And the reality is, when you do that, being who I am and, like, the amount of experience that I have with, you know, just what I do, when you do that, you're kind of overdoing it. And so you kind of show that you're a little softer than most just by overdoing it. And so the way that it ends up coming off to me is like, they've told him so many times, like, you gotta go ahead. And then it's just like. And it's like, bro, that didn't even make sense. Like, yo, that's like, Every time you get near him, he want to, like, deliver a blow. It's like, yeah, I watch you play, and you don't do that. So what that shows me is that someone has told you, like, yo, you gotta be ready for him, and you gotta do this and you gotta do that, and it's, like, overzealous. So, no, there's no real beef with Zach, Edie and Memphis. You know, we've played him in a couple playoff series, two or three of the old grizzlies with the big homie Z, Bo and Marcus Saw, you know, and Mike Conley, ta.
[06:36]
Baron Davis
Yep.
[06:36]
Draymond Green
You know, we played them on our rise to greatness, and we were able to knock them out on the way to our first. Anytime you play someone in a playoff series, it automatically builds, like, this strife between you. And so then there was kind of that strife amongst us from that, you know, and fast forward, we end up playing them again on the way to another championship. And so we beat them again. And when we beat them again, you know, again, it creates this, like, strife of, like. And then it really creates a strife. It's one thing if you beat them in the first round and then you lose in the second round, it really creates a strife. But I mean, really, like, it creates a little strife, but not crazy. But when you go on to win a championship and you beat them on your way, like, the next year they come back, it's really like, yeah, and that's kind of what it is with Memphis. Whereas, like, every time we see them, it's a battle, and in large part due to. They haven't beaten us in a playoff series. And so they're like, a little. They're like the overzealous, you know, team that want to act like it's a rivalry, but it really, you know, it really can't be a rivalry until both teams are winning. Needless to say, there's a competitive respect amongst us that they get up for us, and we get up for them, and that's just.
[08:08]
Baron Davis
Yeah, for sure. I would say that. I would say, like, it's almost like this young Memphis squad, they came in and they, like, y'all gonna pay attention to us. You feel what I'm saying? It's like, nah, y'all gonna. Nah, y'all not. Y'all not gonna treat us like that. You know what I mean? And they. And. And. And they made themselves, you know what I mean, to one, be able to get in the playoffs, to have this record. And so it's kind of like, Brother Bravado, yep.
[08:36]
Draymond Green
100.
[08:36]
Baron Davis
That's like, we gonna keep knocking. We gonna keep knocking. And so it just kind of raised the ante for big brother to say, okay, yeah, we gonna keep fighting, too. But, you know, we know a lot of things y'all don't know, you know what I mean? And so that experience, you know, at some point, and then when you look at what Memphis needs to accomplish to get over the hump, and you look at Zach Edie, right, It's like you need him to be the enforcer that you miss in Stephen Adams. But he has to understand, as a young player that you enforce your game, you know what I mean? You know, force your game. And so, I mean, to me, it's. Of course, it ain't no beef because he's a young. He's a young player, and he's just trying to figure out how to step up, you know what I mean, and meet the challenge. And it's just like, you're playing against the dude who's done this over and over and over again. So you kind of like, if you don't figure it out, he at your mercy anyway. So, you know. But at the same time, when you look at the game, it's like, what I don't like, what I feel is unfair is you're not allowed to do that.
[09:55]
Draymond Green
Yeah.
[09:56]
Baron Davis
You feel what I'm saying? And the history of the league is always like, the veterans are allowed to like, turn young, young, young men to grown men in the league.
[10:10]
Draymond Green
Absolutely.
[10:11]
Baron Davis
You know what I mean? And so that's what the league is missing a lot. And I say, like, you know, I said, like, you know, just kind of like, I know that the refs letting people play, but if you gonna let people play, then you gotta let, you know, like, basketball is a game of, like, space. You know what I mean? And how much space can you take up and take advantage? So if somebody get accidentally hit or grabbed or pulled or wrestled to the ground, not everything is a flag or foul. Not everything is, you know, to go to review, you know what I mean? Like, not every time somebody go to the hole and fall hard, you know what I'm saying? And so, like, we gotta. We gotta loosen up that. Because they not letting you kind of be the vet and it's. And to me, it's kind of, you know, excuse my French, it's fucking the game up because you don't have no rivalry, you know what I mean? You don't have, like, that tussle was a nothing, you know what I mean?
[11:10]
Draymond Green
Yeah. Moving on.
[11:11]
Baron Davis
Call the first foul.
[11:13]
Draymond Green
Yes.
[11:13]
Baron Davis
I'm saying call the first foul. Like, if you're gonna call a flagrant file. You know what I mean? Like, that don't make no. That don't make no sense when you wrapping somebody up. People have wrapped up plenty of times.
[11:27]
Draymond Green
You know what I mean?
[11:28]
Baron Davis
Going to the hole in worse situations. And so if. If we calling it to protect these young dudes. And. And if. If you calling it protection, that ain't really no protection, because they should be the ones who kind of like, get groomed in the. Ben, he should be doing that to the next young center that's coming in the league five, six years from now.
[11:50]
Draymond Green
100%. That's the way it used to be. And, you know, like, when I came in the league, obviously, when you came in, like, I remember Z Bo doing me like this. And Mark Jackson said to me, like, wow, you gonna let him patch your head like that? And it was such a moment for me of, like, I don't let nobody touch my head, but that's my big homie. Like, so a part of me wanted to, like, ah, like, yeah, yeah. But the reality is, it's like, that's the og like, as much as I want to knock up, like, bro, touch my head. I'm gonna get a call from Tom Izzo the next day. I'm gonna get a call from Martin Cleaves the next day and Jason Richardson the next day. And I'm gonna only get those calls if Z Bo even allowed me to make it to that call, because how d. Disrespect me, the big homie?
[12:42]
Baron Davis
Like, yeah.
[12:44]
Draymond Green
Just put it in terms of, like, street. I don't even know if you making it to that call because of what I've done to you already. Yeah, like, you ain't making. They're not even gonna make it to call you. Right? Like, that's. That's. That's how I was.
[12:59]
Baron Davis
Respect.
[12:59]
Draymond Green
You know what I'm saying?
[13:00]
Baron Davis
Yeah, certain levels.
[13:02]
Draymond Green
And so when you look at this league, though. So for instance, we played the Lakers on. Was it Christmas Day?
[13:11]
Baron Davis
Yeah.
[13:11]
Draymond Green
Happy Christmas Day.
[13:12]
Baron Davis
Yeah, it was Christmas. We was there.
[13:14]
Draymond Green
And I got a tech because Dalton connect called me a little bitch.
[13:20]
Baron Davis
Oh, that's not. See?
[13:22]
Draymond Green
And I said, shut up. I got attack. Now, mind you, the referee is standing on this side, looking straight at him, Talk to me. And then I got attacked.
[13:33]
Baron Davis
Listen, bro.
[13:34]
Draymond Green
Which is insanity. And so then fast forward the Grizzlies game to start the play. I'm going for the rebound. I Get shoved in the back by a rookie.
[13:45]
Baron Davis
Yeah.
[13:46]
Draymond Green
Then I foul hard, wrap him up. Like, don't, don't, don't let him. He outweighs me by 90 pounds and 9 inches. So I'm not filing soft and giving up a layup. Like. And then I get a flagrant file. So after you not call it on the rookie, then I get attacked. It's crazy. Like when I came in the league, you a rookie, you just, you don't get a call. Like, that's just not what's happening. Like, and referees would tell you, like, man, if you don't get out my face, you don't got no resume. Like, referees would say that to you.
[14:23]
Baron Davis
Like, they used to say that all.
[14:24]
Draymond Green
You think you are, like, why do you think I should call something for you?
[14:29]
Baron Davis
Right?
[14:29]
Draymond Green
Like, referees would say that. And so when people say something's wrong with the game, it's the same thing that's wrong. A lot of times in the streets, the hierarchy is gone. So there's no respect to those and what they went through before you. And in our league, you got that's two games in a row against rookies that against a champion allstar defensive player of the year. I get tech and flag and fouls over a rookie. So. So then they never have to earn nothing. So then because you never have to earn nothing, there's never any animosity. There's never any to grant there. None of that. And so you get contracts off potential, you get respect off a draft position.
[15:26]
Baron Davis
Yeah.
[15:27]
Draymond Green
And they never have to earn anything. And so then you say, well, what's wrong with the game? You tell me. What young guy is a rival to what young guy? I'll wait.
[15:38]
Baron Davis
I'll wait.
[15:42]
Draymond Green
Yeah.
[15:44]
Baron Davis
It ain't no rivals. It ain't no rivals. Ain't no beef. It ain't no like, you know what I mean? And I think that's what the league need, you know, even I mean, going back to the episodes, the coach from Boston, like, maybe we need a scrap, you know what I mean? Not like we really need a scrap, but we need that mentality is gone. The passion, you know what I mean? And intensity to like, no, we not giving up no layups. You know what I mean? Like, none of this funny shit is going down. And you know, the B word is not even tolerated. Bro, that's. Listen.
[16:22]
Draymond Green
Crazy, right?
[16:23]
Baron Davis
Hey, dog, you know kg, right? So kg, cold blooded kg, a cold piece of work. We playing at Golden State. He playing for Minnesota. Somebody filed kg, I forgot who found. He said, I'm tired of all these B words. Yes. And he said it again. Now, back in our era, the referee couldn't even give KG the ball until he identified. Who is you talking to? He had five dudes. He was like, man, play ball, play ball. I was like, oh, bro, what are you talking to? Who are you talking to? Leave that ball and get that ball out of here. Delay a game, all that. We need answers. But when you know kg, that's like he trying to get under your skin, you know what I mean? And I was like, damn, okay, that's his psych out. But that word is not even tolerated, especially from a rookie, you know what I mean? And like, come on, yo.
[17:25]
Draymond Green
A rookie? Hey, that's.
[17:26]
Baron Davis
That is just not the word.
[17:28]
Draymond Green
How about this? I got an interesting one for you.
[17:30]
Baron Davis
Here in the summertime.
[17:31]
Draymond Green
I got an interesting one for you. I got word that came back to me, that came from a reporter that Zach Edie was told by a referee, hey, don't let him get in your head now. That's insane. Don't let him get in your head, bro. You might as well put a polo on and go sit on their bench.
[17:58]
Baron Davis
That's weak.
[17:59]
Draymond Green
At the rate that you're going to a player on another team and saying, hey, don't let him get in your head, a rookie at that, you might.
[18:07]
Baron Davis
As well gave him a bottle and start nursing. You know what I'm saying?
[18:14]
Draymond Green
Those are the things that's going on in the NBA today.
[18:19]
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[19:42]
Draymond Green
In that same game, I get a tech for saying boom on the three.
[19:46]
Baron Davis
Oh, yeah, that was the next question. How and when. When you start. When did you start saying boom? I like that, though.
[19:56]
Draymond Green
Hey, the boom. Hit him with the boom. You know what's crazy? So we kind of start saying it last year where I shoot the three, and, you know, we hit him with the boom. And this is me. And then the whole bench joined in, and AV really lit the leader of the charge, Anthony Vereng, he the leader of the consortium with me from the bench side, and we shoot. I shoot it. They go boom. And so I say it on the court, you know, and my thing to them is, like, they all look when I don't say it. They be. They be like, yo, we booming over here. You ain't said boom. I'm like, all right, I got. I'm running back. I hit the three. Boom.
[20:41]
Baron Davis
I like that. I like that tech. That's okay, That's.
[20:48]
Draymond Green
I get to tech for the boom in the same game that I get a flagrant file for. And by the way, on the flagrant file, I hit the ball on top of that. Right? Like, so, again, these are just the things that's going on in the NBA. And again, you ask why? You wonder why the ratings are down.
[21:09]
Baron Davis
That's a momentum killer.
[21:12]
Draymond Green
You need that. Because why do you want to see some young guy that ain't proving nothing get star treatment? Like, nobody paying to see that.
[21:21]
Baron Davis
They paid no dues, and they got superstars on their team. Yeah, like, you know what I'm saying?
[21:28]
Draymond Green
Me and John was talking like that to each other. If I found Ja like that, he wouldn't get that type of treatment. But you got rookies getting that type of treatment.
[21:36]
Baron Davis
That's why.
[21:37]
Draymond Green
Because referees, you know, they. They probably feel like they've been beat up on a little too much over the years, and so they trying to. I don't know, man. It's weird out here. It's weird. It's real weird out here. And at some point, they just Got to figure out what these people paying.
[21:54]
Baron Davis
To see what's the problem, what kind of intent, what's the intensity level. We need some storyline, some back stories. It needs to be, you know, it needs to be big brother beat up on little brother, and then little brother fight back and start punching. And then that's. That's how you build a rivalry. But you cannot, like, they got, you know, like, and. And I do give a shout out to Memphis because they trying to earn. They. You know what I mean? However, tactics or whatnot. But Ja and them young dudes, they trying to earn. They trying to earn their stripes, you know what I mean? And you got a lot of young okc. They trying to earn their stripes, you know what I mean? Even like a Houston, they trying to earn their stripes, put their name out there, you know what I mean? Put themselves in position and they don't.
[22:45]
Draymond Green
Detroit Pistons. Pistons.
[22:51]
Baron Davis
Yeah, I wasn't even on the East. I was just thinking about, you know, the West. But the Pistons is cracking, you know what I mean? Orlando cracking, Cleveland cracking. And like, you. You got people like trying to make a name for themselves. And the history of the game is like, somebody had to overcome Tim Duncan and Shaq, you know what I mean? Like Kobe and Tim Duncan, like, people had to overcome somebody, you know what I mean? From the superstar level, from the team superstar level. But, like, the shit wasn't easy. And if you start watering this, if you start watering this down, you know what I mean? And like, there's no pecking. Like, the league is about pecking order.
[23:36]
Draymond Green
It's all.
[23:38]
Baron Davis
It's always been about pecking order. You know what I mean? Like, it's. It's always been about pecking order. Do I think get a call on GP or Jason K. Hell, no chance.
[23:49]
Draymond Green
You get that ever.
[23:51]
Baron Davis
Hey, I'm not gonna stop fighting, you know what I mean? I'm not gonna stop fighting. But, like, you can't take the fight. You can't take the fight out of. Out of the game when it's lesser value players cannot get more attention in the superstars. What is the best Steph Curry trash talk you've heard from him or any teammate? And that's from Hunter Baumgartner, 11, I.
[24:16]
Draymond Green
Think the one where Steph was talking to Jaylen Brown when he hit shot fake. Then he stepped through and hit the three at the buzzer and he started pointing. He took his mouthpiece out and started pointing at him. What he was saying to Jaylen Brown right there in that moment, what he was Saying to Jaylen Brown was one of my favorite. I'll give you three of my favorite moments. That one was one of my favorite moments. When Clay hit the three and Dylan Brooks fell over and Clay ran over to him and pointed in his face while he on the ground. I really enjoyed that moment. And KD just had all these slick one liners, man, that KD hit you with a crazy one liner like out of nowhere. And I would enjoy those moments. And then from my rookie year, Kendrick Parkins was on the Oklahoma City Thunder. And you know, we're a young, up and coming team. Not even up and coming. We just young. Steph, you know, getting off the ankle surgeries. Clay had a end. Decent end of a rookie year. We just young and Jerry Jackson on our team. So Kendrick Perkins, you know, he had just one championship a few years prior with Boston. Got his contract in okc. You know, he feeling himself. He talking to our bench. And I'm a bark. I'm always bark, been barking. But you know, when you a rookie again back to rookie, like, that ain't really carrying no weight. I'm barking, you gonna hear me bark. But they like, man, shut up. Like, you ain't got no stripes. Who are you? Like, just shut up. I'm gonna always keep barking. That's. But they ain't hearing none of that. So Jerry, Jack, being the vet that he is, being around this league, knows that y'all can keep talking. They ain't gonna listen, like, because y'all ain't done nothing right? So Jack started barking. And Jack, if you know Jack, Jack don't get into it with many people. Jack ain't jumping his nothing Smooth.
[26:29]
Baron Davis
Yeah, that's smooth.
[26:30]
Draymond Green
Jack only gonna come in at the point where it's like, hey, man, enough. Like, yeah, that's when Jack gonna say something. And so Jack finally like, yo, bro, you keep talking over here like, play the game, man. And Kendra Perkins start talking junk to Jack, like, yeah. And he, he mentions his contract. I think at that time, Perk had just signed 4 for 32, if I'm not mistaken, which again, at that time was big money. Which again, $8 million a year is still a lot of money. I'm not in real life, but I'm just talking about in terms of NBA salary at the time, that's big money. I think at the time, the max salary is like 14, 15 PER. Yells to the bench, feeling like, yeah, something about his bag, like, I got paid. And Jack like, Jack going back and like, man, you ain't like that like, keep yelling over here. He's like, oh, I got paid, I get made this money. And Jack was like, and people make mistakes every day. People make mistakes every single day. You trash, nigga. I really enjoyed that moment because it was one of the ones where like, I really enjoyed that one. I really, that was one of my favorite ones.
[27:52]
Baron Davis
Shout out to my boy Jerry Jack, this one.
[27:56]
Draymond Green
Next question from Ground Cover Farm. Does Wimby have the capacity to change the game with the same impact as Stephen?
[28:05]
Baron Davis
Hell yeah. I mean when, when I listen to you and how you talk about like defenses change for Steph, right? And like coverages and a whole different style, I look at Wimby and say like, yo, this, this dude is still a kid, right? And you know he has every opportunity different than Steph coming in, you know what I mean, to like be a superstar from the get go. And so Steph is iconic because he is self made. He is a self made superstar and a self made, iconic upper echelon player and a game changer when became in the game as a game changer, you know what I mean? And so I think from an impact perspective, you're not one. He's, he's, he's a rarity, you know what I mean? And so there, there could be as it has already become a, a trend of highly skilled big guys, you know what I mean? Like we seen Joker and was like, damn, dude, like a point center. That's crazy. Now you see a Wimby and it's like a 76 shooting guard, you know what I mean? And you saw KD and it was like, damn, a seven foot shooting guard, you know what I mean? And so like this dude is, he got, he got a little kd, you know what I mean? He learning how to be a little Giannis this year, you know what I mean? He's just, he's, he's just looks like a sponge that's having the best time out there, you know what I mean? And he ain't afraid to go for the greatest, you know what I mean? The greatest title, you know what I mean? The greatest name. So that's my thought, I think.
[30:00]
Draymond Green
Hell no. There's a 0% chance Wemby's impact can be the same or even remotely close to Steph. And here's why. Wemby is as special of a player as we've seen coming probably and possibly in the history of the NBA. And that's why he can't have an impact because you just can't be 7, 6 or 75 or whatever he is. Like, nobody's just going to be 76 and want to do. And, like, want to do what Wemby do. One of the reasons Steph has had such a large impact on the game that he had is because he looked like he everybody's size. So because he looked like, everybody s, everybody think, I can be Steph.
[30:50]
Baron Davis
I can do that. Yes.
[30:51]
Draymond Green
Regardless of how athletic I am, I can learn to shoot the ball. And if I could shoot the lights out the ball and I can run all day and I can work on my handle, I can be step. The reality is, where they fail to realize is, no, you can't. Because his shot is like, God given. With a God given work ethic that tops is topped by maybe two people ever. Like, so, you know, his ball handling. Like, Steph has an uncanny ability with his hands in general. Like, we go bowling, he gonna bowl to something even if he ain't bowled in five years. If we go golf, y'all obviously all know he's great at that. If we go to the batting cages, he's gonna hit home runs. If we go to a ping pong tournament, he gonna be at the final table. Like, he has this uncanny ability with his hands and his hand eye coordination, which is another thing. And so again, like, yes, you can practice these things. Once somebody wants to ask me, like, yo, why you don't shoot with the same arc as Steph? I said, what? Why you don't shoot with the same arc as Stephen? So why would you ask me that? Like, do you think I wouldn't want to shoot with the same arc and step? Do you think it's that simple to shoot with that type of arc? Every time you shoot the ball, do you know what goes into a jump shot? Do you know how every part of your body gotta be on one accord at the same time to get that rhythm every time? Do you know how hard it is to master a shot to where it looked the same every time? I said so? I don't even understand why you asked me that. Nonetheless, I said all of that to say no. Like, so I just don't think because people aren't going to see Wemby and be like, oh, I can be that.
[32:49]
Baron Davis
Like, no, but I don't. That, no. But I gotta challenge you on this, because Wemby comes from the Steph tree, right? So shooting threes, right handle. And what makes him different is he's the actual first player you've ever seen in your life that was created on 2Kd right. So like the kids. The kids is like charging up their 2k characters to be set. Like, this was stuff we would do when we would do our. My player. Oh, yeah. I want my dude. 76 with a handle, could dunk, block shots, you know, and now it's like, oh, shit. It's a real. It's a real like 2K. My player. Like in the NBA. You feel what I'm saying?
[33:54]
Draymond Green
Listen, I can agree with that. Bd.
[33:56]
Baron Davis
And so tracking, tracking his stats because of this era. This era is based on, you know, stats and analytics and his pace. He's on pace to transcend a lot of categories from. If he stays healthy and have the longevity and, you know, the career and if they can build around him. But individually from like getting off, getting out the blocks. Like, bro, he. He on pace to like, be a game changer.
[34:27]
Draymond Green
I think, I think all of that is. I think I agree with all of. And all of those things are true. But like, right now, he kind of the center, but he counted the two. And I just think, like, even if you look at KD's game, KD when he. When KD came into the league, KD was a 2, he was a shooting guard. When he came into the league in Seattle, he was the starting shooting guard. As KD career went on, he became a three, then he became a four. And nobody gonna wanna admit it, but KD had his most dominant and most successful years at the three and four. Right? And it's not a knock to KD that he had his most successful years at the three and four. What happened was it allowed everybody else to form their roles once he moved to those positions. And with wimby. Where Wimby is going to. Where I don't think it's going to happen is how long can he play that way and not win at a high level? Like, they're winning more this year. But in order to win at a high level, meaning in the playoffs, as you know, you need everybody to be clicking on all cylinders. Like, you need everybody to be filling their role when you're trying to win at a high level. And so for Wimby, I think at some point he's going to have to learn when to move out of the way. And I can't just trail into this three or I can't just come down. Like, right now, Wimby's also. And no one really talks about this. Wimby's benefiting right now off of his naiveness, you know. Yeah, that's what I'm Saying he's benefiting off of not knowing how to play basketball right now and just playing off a short talent and sure ability right now. That's cool because he in year two. No one's accepting that in year six. And so then you're in year six. Yeah, but he got, no one's accepting you doing that.
[36:39]
Baron Davis
He got four years to, he got, look what he doing. Look what he doing in year two.
[36:45]
Draymond Green
That's fine, but it's just going to be next year putting up great numbers.
[36:48]
Baron Davis
Next year he gonna put up even better numbers, and that's next year.
[36:52]
Draymond Green
But if they don't win, if they don't win, then it's going to become, that's just part of when they, if they don't win because everybody else can't really fill their roles the way them roles need to be filled and they don't win, then people going to start attacking you for doing that. And then it's an issue that you're doing that and, and, and a whole other thing comes with it. It ain't just like, oh, you just get to play as long as you can and figure it out. No, that pressure starts to mount. You supposed to be that dude, oh, you ain't wanting yet. Oh, now you trying to figure that out. So then it becomes less about, oh my God, look how he just came across half court. And in his mind it's going to become. So I have to do what I got to do to win. And that may mean I need to slide to this block a little more. I just don't see it happening.
[37:39]
Baron Davis
I do. And here, here's my, he gonna be.
[37:41]
Draymond Green
As special as they come.
[37:42]
Baron Davis
But I, I, here's my thesis around this. I got Wendy on my team. I better hurry up and figure out a role if I want to stay around.
[37:53]
Draymond Green
That's fine, you know what I mean? I'm going to be saying the opposite.
[37:56]
Baron Davis
Yeah, but, but, but yeah, he got a league, but it's also it take a team. So somebody else gotta step up, right? And somebody, or, or they gotta go build a team around him to build winners and build a winning system. Cause San Antonio got a winning ecosystem. They gotta go get. They gotta go. Those dudes in San Antonio right now. Like, the problem with WIMBY is he don't have a John Morant type of personality, you know what I mean? And he don't.
[38:28]
Draymond Green
He got Chris Paul.
[38:30]
Baron Davis
Yeah, but Chris Paul is not a young dude that's ready to bark up your chest, you know what I mean? Like San Antonio they ain't barking at y'all. They just out there playing basketball.
[38:42]
Draymond Green
But they not going to bring in a guy that's like that. That's not their culture.
[38:47]
Baron Davis
And Antonio was cocky, arrogant, you know what I mean?
[38:52]
Draymond Green
It was quiet arrogance, though. They weren't just barking up the chimney.
[38:56]
Baron Davis
No, they never talked.
[38:57]
Draymond Green
They never went up the chimney.
[38:58]
Baron Davis
They weren't on that. No, but they had. They had it. It was. It was. They had a championship pedigree.
[39:05]
Draymond Green
Yeah, arrogance. Championship arrogance about them, for sure.
[39:08]
Baron Davis
Yeah. Like, y'all not gonna beat us. Y'all not smart enough. You know what I mean? Like, haha. Y'all right now, we gonna walk y'all down. They had all. All of that ism 1,000%, right? Or Detroit Pistons or like, with these young dudes. Now they got like a little fight. Like, hold on, Draymond, you ain't gonna punk us. You feel what I'm saying? What I'm saying for San Antonio is they don't have no young dudes yet that I seen. Not even Wimby, you know what I mean? Or somebody to ride with Wimy to be like, hold on, bro. Like, we barking up y'all tree too. We on our way back. You know what I mean? And so right now it's just like, okay, we showcasing talent, to your point. But I think for him, because he's so naive and he's watching everybody, bro. You know what I mean? He's a sponge in the game. He's going to push himself to win. That's the only way that he's going to exist as a phenomenon. And I think he actually has the personality in the game to act, to want that. You feel what I'm saying?
[40:18]
Draymond Green
For sure.
[40:18]
Baron Davis
So, like. But they got to get some dogs around them or. And they got to start standing up for themselves. Because if you're relying on Chris Paul to do that, like, Chris Paul is supposed to be the dude that calm y'all down.
[40:31]
Draymond Green
Yeah.
[40:31]
Baron Davis
And make sure y'all playing basketball. Y'all should be doing everything else, you know what I mean? And just play it off a sheer force, sheer energy, you know what I mean? And like, trying to be somebody, everybody trying to claim a name is something. And not going off a highlight or a good game or some like that. You feel what I'm saying?
[40:51]
Draymond Green
Oh, yeah, I feel it. And you can see that they don't have that. You know why? Because Russ is standing there doing Wimby like this.
[40:57]
Baron Davis
Yeah, yeah.
[40:59]
Draymond Green
Hey, Russell. I'll do. He's sitting there right don't touch my hair.
[41:04]
Baron Davis
Russ.
[41:04]
Draymond Green
Say, what you gonna do, man?
[41:06]
Baron Davis
Come on, dude. Like, you know what I mean? Like, right, right. And then, you know, it's like, ain't a vet over there. And you know what I mean? Like, Chris Paul can tell him, hey, you know Chris Paul gonna give him the ism. Hey, bro, don't ever let nobody sign you like that. You feel what I'm saying? Like, I don't give a. So he gotta develop a meanness.
[41:28]
Draymond Green
Yes.
[41:28]
Baron Davis
Right. He's gotta be me. Right now, he just talent having fun. Naive. But soon, like, soon as they click and it's like, oh, I gotta be a cold assassin, a killer. I gotta be thinking about every aspect of the game. So then I'm the show. Not just like, oh, I'm going to the guard, I'm Gonna put up 40. And, you know, if we win, we win. If we don't, it's like, nah, you gotta go now, become. I mean, Giannis did it, you know?
[41:57]
Draymond Green
Yes, he did.
[41:58]
Baron Davis
Giannis did it. And I think, you know, this kid got talent, too, to do it. And J.T.
[42:03]
Draymond Green
Did it. Yeah, J.T. did it where he came in. He was young, talented. Battle with Bron in the conference finals. Right. But, like, didn't quite have it. Couldn't get over the hump.
[42:17]
Baron Davis
Yeah.
[42:17]
Draymond Green
A couple more times. Couldn't get over Jimmy Butler. Right. Then he played us. Couldn't get over the hump.
[42:22]
Baron Davis
Yep, yep.
[42:22]
Draymond Green
He developed that. Right? You have to develop that.
[42:26]
Baron Davis
You have to. Yeah, you have to. You got. You, like. And. And for him, he, as a young dude, he had a lot of success early.
[42:35]
Draymond Green
Yes, he did like to keep.
[42:37]
Baron Davis
You know what I mean? He keep knocking at the door. He may not be saying that, but, like, now when you look at him, you know what I mean? It's like there's some fire there. You know what I mean? Because he wanted so bad, bro. He wanted so bad, and now they won the championship. He know what that feel like. It's a different level to his game this year, where he, like, I'm a finisher, I'm a closer. You know what I mean? Like, now they starting to sync up. And so I think Wemby, he is sponge. He got. You know what I mean?
[43:08]
Draymond Green
Yes.
[43:08]
Baron Davis
He is absorbed that. And so he can be the personality that the San Antonio spurs never was.
[43:17]
Draymond Green
Yeah.
[43:17]
Baron Davis
You know what I mean? So he has the freedom to do that.
[43:20]
Draymond Green
Yeah.
[43:20]
Baron Davis
Right. And. And. And with a little bit of meanness with his personality. Take San Antonio. And now it's like, okay, now, you know, it's, it, it's a wild wild west. And you know, Wemby is whatever nickname people gonna give him that don't sound like Wimby. You know what I mean?
[43:41]
Draymond Green
Yeah, for sure. I, I listen, I agree with you 100. I think Wemby does have that level of talent. I think he has that aura around him that people can feed off of and that can become a larger than life personality, which he already is larger than life. I think he has all of that. I just go back to the original question. Can he change the game like Steph? And I still stand by my answer. The reason I think no is because in order for him to eventually win, he's not going to be able to play as random. And then you just become, if you're not able to play as random as he is right now, you become one of the most special players we've ever seen. But as far as changing the game, we can't change the B Wimby like.
[44:31]
Baron Davis
We, we can't, no, but he can change the game as far as. All right, ain't going to be no little dudes running around here shooting threes. You're going to have to stock up on some seven footers like he could if he developed that trait. You stock up on seven footers now, now, now people are drafting different because they like, well, we got six fouls and wouldn't be fouling people, you know what I mean? He fouling people out. He playing in the block.
[44:58]
Draymond Green
In order for him to do that though, he gonna have to get put on more weight because right now, like for instance, Russ was guarding him in that game and it's no knock to Wimby, it's just that Russ going to get underneath you, he going to get physical. He's stronger than you already for sure. And so he learned. But no, but what I'm saying is in order to do what you're saying also he going to have to get way stronger. Because if you're saying that he's going to make you have to go draft more 7 footers that can shoot, that's not necessarily going to be the case if you can guard him with a 6, 6 guy because they're going to try to be physical and get underneath him. You see what I'm saying? So try to get strong so that you then have to put a seven footer on me because the six foot guy can't do nothing. So it now has to be a seven footer and the only way he can match me is if he can shoot the three ball as well, then that starts to. It's just a lot of things that gotta happen.
[45:57]
Baron Davis
I gave you that post. I gave you a whole little post post package. You never. You never have to worry about a little dude standing you up in the post, man. Call 1-800-bard-oatmeal. I got you, man. You know what I mean? That's all he need. Once he get. Once he learned how to take it. Like, he don't even know he's 7 6, bro. You know what I mean? Like, he don't know he's 76 in the NBA. He's just talented, he's young, he's enthusiastic. But once he start figuring out, wait, hold on, bro. I'm this close to the basket. I ain't even got to jump blocking everything, getting every rebound, every put back. Okay, this is how I'm gonna get my 40, 20, and 12.
[46:46]
Draymond Green
No doubt.
[46:47]
Baron Davis
And then I'm gonna shoot my threes and all that to show, like, okay, you know, this is out of flow, but, man, I'm lead. When he decide he wants to lead the league in points in the paint, I think he can do it.
[47:05]
Draymond Green
But moving around the league, we got Julian I for 37.92. What do you think about the seven game suspension of Jimmy Butler? And why do you think they did that?
[47:16]
Baron Davis
You know, I'm kind of on the fence with it, you know what I mean? Like, for one, it's like, man, somebody, you know, I've been. I've been in that situation before where it's like, man, I don't want to be here. Y'all don't really want me here, you know what I mean? And, like, man, just gonna put me out my misery and trade me, you know what I mean? And so, you know, you can. I can understand why the Heat did it, you know what I mean? And look, man, everybody, they didn't tip the iceberg, you know what I mean? Like, Jimmy won out. And even though the Heat may not may or may not want to trade him or whatnot, like, this dude ain't about to help you get to where you want to get to unhappy, you know what I mean? Like, you know, to me, he like, you know, he had a little emotional, you know what I mean? And like, that's his gift and his curse, you know what I mean? And so when you got a guy like that who play on his emotions and his attitude and his confidence and everything that he's built himself and his essential character on is really based off, you know, his emotional presence, his dog is like, you know what I mean? Like, he got heart, like. And so somebody who play with his heart on his sleeve, if. If his heart is hurt or bruised or anything is feeling sort like you gonna get 25% of him because he can't get past the heartache, you know what I mean? And so I think, you know, him and the Miami Heat, they in a heartbreak moment, you know what I mean? And it's like, like, well, shit, you gotta. You may have to suspend him because, you know, like, you about to get seven games of him going through, you know, all the emotions that he going through, being somewhere he don't want to be, you know what I mean? With some people, with the way that they handling it, too, is really like, all right, you can leave, too. You know what I mean? It's like, well, if I can leave, like, let me go, you know? And so, you know, I kind of feel like, you know, with Jimmy and his, like, emotional, you know, like how he is as an emotional player. You ain't gonna be able to get no wins, you know, with him not being all the way locked in and playing with his full, you know, freedom and capability, you know what I mean? And his confidence and all that, like, that kind of happened to me, Dre, when I was in New Orleans, different situation because I was heard Byron Scott that came in, new coach. And, like, I remember me and Byron Scott. It wasn't me and Byron Scott that really didn't hit it off. I have problems with management because my back was hurt. I need a rehab. They thought I was a prima donna, you know what I mean? And it's like, man, I can't survive a Byron Scott practice, if you know what I mean? I ain't all the way, right? And then I get on the court, and I ain't who I'm supposed to be. And you know what I mean, you going through all this, and at the same time, that's when I got traded from New Orleans to Golden State. It was like, yo, you know, I remember Alan Bristow. It was even a moment where, you know, he kind of, like, ran up on me, you know what I mean? He came from the stands, ran up on me, like, man, who you think you are? I said, bro, take one more step. Freeze.
[50:51]
Draymond Green
Who is Alan Briscoe?
[50:54]
Baron Davis
Old school buster, you know what I mean? One of them old school busters, but he was the gm and he come running, you know. Brian, we have practice. I kind of practice late because I'm in Rehab. And then in New Orleans, like, the rehab, like an hour away, you know what I mean? So I come running down, man, I thought I told you Prima Donna. I said, hey, freeze. Don't take one more step, homie. And then Byron Scott was like, what's going on? I said, okay, I'm out. You know what I mean? Y'all gonna have to train me. And I never forget it was the trade deadline. And I said, peace to all the people in the. In the facility. You know what I mean? Trainers. And I sat outside that man office, and he came out and he said, well, it's a trade deadline. Look like you're gonna be here for the year. I said, man, if you don't take your ass back out of here and trade me, I'm not around. I'm gonna sit right here till you tell me. I don't care which team at this point, you know what I mean? And that's how I got traded to go to stay. But I can understand, like, when you had a breaking point, and it's like, I need to go, because now my feelings is hurt. Y'all feelings just hurt. Y'all miss got a misperception, you know what I mean? Like, the relationship with the coach ain't even off to the right foot in the foundation. And now, you know, with Jimmy being there, that's a whole different situation, right? Cause he been. He been to the top with these dudes. And so, like, when you feel like you not appreciated, you know what I mean? Or you feel like you being pushed out, or you felt like you been and, you know, pointed out as, like, you the scapegoat, like, it's hard to play, you know? And I think they just at the. At the end of their rope.
[52:47]
Draymond Green
Nah, for sure. I think they definitely are at the end of the rope. I've actually been hearing for the last couple years that they were kind of tired of Jimmy. Jimmy was kind of tired of them. I think Jimmy was kind of a little more so enjoying just living in Miami and not. I'm not one of those media people that make up stories. I'm not saying. Enjoying living in Miami. Like, Jimmy's a party. Jimmy don't go out. So I'm not saying that. I'm just like. But living in Miami is a beautiful thing. And so I think he just enjoyed more so his life and what comes with him being the face of the Miami Heat again. Jimmy's a very serious guy. Takes his craft very serious, works his ass off. So I don't want this to come off the wrong way. I just think, like, he had a good thing there where he's going to NBA Finals, you know, he's the man in Miami. And I think all of those things made what he was going through bearable. That's what I'm trying to get at. And I think it's just reached a point now where you like, what do I have left? Three more years. Maybe I'm gonna live in Miami for the rest of my life after three years anyway, you know, So I think you start to get to that point where Jimmy, also. Jimmy, competitive as they come, wants to win a championship. And so the actual seven game suspension, I think my question about it would be, why seven? Like, why not five? What was the significance with it being seven?
[54:18]
Baron Davis
Right? Why so long?
[54:19]
Draymond Green
You know what I'm saying? Like that to me. But I don't. I don't. I mean, outside of it just being like, why seven? Like, why so random? I think my only thing is looking at what I believe the outcome is going to be and what I believe the outcome is going to be. Everybody's like, oh, man, Jimmy's going here. Jimmy's on there. I think two things, one of two things are going to happen. It's just my opinion. I think Pat Riley is Pat Riley. Like in. Y'all have all heard the stories of who Pat Riley is and how Pat Riley is just like I have. I can see two things happening. I can see Pat Riley sending Jimmy Butler to a team, an organization that he'd absolutely hate. That's garbage. I could also see Pat Riley saying, hey, go home for the rest of the year. Just go home. We'll pay you. It's fine. Go home. We're not trading you anywhere. And I could see that scenario as well. But the scenario that I don't see, I don't see it just playing out in Jimmy back in good cases with them. And Jimmy being who Jimmy is, I don't see that. I think it's too far past gone. When stuff start getting to the media, when stuff start getting public, it's no longer in your control anyway. It is completely taken over by public opinion, and it's just hard to make it work. So I think they reached the end of the road.
[55:46]
Baron Davis
And if you see how he was playing, you know what I mean? It's almost like I can't even have that energy around where we.
[55:56]
Draymond Green
And I didn't see the game.
[55:58]
Baron Davis
You know what I mean?
[55:59]
Draymond Green
If you playing on the west, you don't see me in the Eastern Conference game. So I didn't see any of that.
[56:04]
Baron Davis
Yeah, it's just almost like you can't wait. You can't stake nothing in that. You know what I mean? Like, you. You. You can't put no eggs in that basket because, you know, just throw the basket. You know what I'm saying?
[56:22]
Draymond Green
Right?
[56:22]
Baron Davis
Yeah. They like it. You can. You can. You can see it. You can feel it. And, you know, I feel like if I was a Heat fan, you know what I mean? It's just. Helen, there's too much intensity around it. And I understand. I mean, I can understand that because even when I used to go sit on the bench at the games, when I was hurt in New Orleans, and then Dickow was the point guard, man, I used to hear people yelling at me like, he's better than him anyway, okay? But the fans start developing a disdain because of the media, because of the imprint. And now you, like, hold on, man. Like, I can be done with this. You know what I mean? Let me go somewhere, anywhere. And I do agree with you. I do think that if I'm Miami, you know, why would I send him to a contender? I'm sending him somewhere where I can go. Give me some pieces, rebuild, you know, I think that's what. That's what's on Pat Riley mind, you know what I mean? Pistons are 500 for the month of January for the first time since 2018. I was. I just watched the Pistons game five against the Lakers championship game. I was watching Ben Wallace. He was going off to my Pistons, bro. How's it feel? You know what I mean? I know you got a, you know, some sentimental value for. For your Pistons, your homegrown boys. How you feel about, you know, what they building?
[57:54]
Draymond Green
I think what they're doing is great. They, you know, got some young pieces. I think they got one in K. Cunningham. They have salary cap space. They got draft picks. They got everything you need to head in the right direction. Trajan Langdon as the general manager, it's on him. It's on him to get it right. Like, you got everything in front of you that you need. And I think, you know, JB was a great hire. He's getting the best out of them young guys. You know, they got young, hungry guys that want to compete, which I love. I think, you know, wish Jay N Ivey a speedy recovery. It sucks to see him go down. He was kind of having a breakout year, you know what I'm saying? Becoming the player that everybody thought he'd become out of Notre Dame, you Know, so I think the league is always better when you have the teams that's been at the bottom starting to rise up. And the way the Pistons been playing, like, you know, for years, you look at the Pistons and you like, oh, this is an easy game. They don't play hard. They are trash. Blah, blah, blah. Not anymore. Like, you looking at them now like, yo, they coming in and they are competing at an elite level. And so it's good to see those guys playing the way they playing. Like I said, you possibly got one of them ones. And then young Cade Cunningham, you know, you start seeing those young stars being built night by night in the NBA. And I think Cade can be one of those guys. And so really good to see. It's great to see young Thompson back. I get the Thompson twins mixed up. I think it's Amen that's in. I think Amen is in Houston, if I'm not mistaken. But I could be absolutely wrong. But, you know, to see the Thompson twin back out there after what he was dealing, going through medically and seeing him back defensively being an animal and catching lives. Yeah, I think the Pistons headed in the right direction, man. And it's. It's fun to watch. I enjoy seeing it. And they young, you know, so they got a full Runway ahead of them to go do it. And like I said, it's on Trajan Langdon to get it done and make sure they got the pieces to continue to build and put those pieces in place. Not get overzealous and think you are ahead of where you are too soon and make a bad move that sets you back.
[60:22]
Baron Davis
Yeah, no, I, I, man, I, I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I. When I look at the Pistons, I see a big culture change, right? And it's good to see Detroit Pistons playing and shout out to my boy, Cade Cunningham. Cause last year, like, they won a couple close games. They lost a lot of close games. They lost a lot of games that they showed could have won, should have won. And I think, you know, when we talk about Wemby, when we talk about the evolution of somebody becoming an All Star, I look at K. Cunningham and like, yo, man, that dude is an All Star having an All Star year. He may not get it this year, but definitely next year. But I want to see somebody like that in the All Star because now he's starting to become a finisher.
[61:12]
Draymond Green
Yes, he is.
[61:13]
Baron Davis
You know what I mean? And, like, with these young dudes, they learning how to finish games, and he's leading them, you know, What I mean, he hitting the big shots, he making the pass.
[61:23]
Draymond Green
He doing all of it.
[61:24]
Baron Davis
He doing it all. He doing all. All of it. So it's good to see Detroit as a brand because, you know, we love Detroit. We love all the great. The legends that come, you know, from the city, from around, you know, just the Michigan area. But the Pistons being back in the league, you know what I mean? And being somebody that's a force we got, I want, you know, so we want to see what that evolution look like. I'm excited about that. Do you think OKC versus the Cavs is an NBA Finals preview?
[61:57]
Draymond Green
I think it's a possible NBA Finals preview. You know, two teams playing great basketball, growing and coming into their own young talent, young guard talent. Both teams got some good bigs. Obviously OKC shorthanded without Chet, but, you know, I think both teams got a lot of depth. Kind of the contrast in two different styles, though with okc, the ball sticks a little more. You know, you gotta guard your man. Cleveland, that ball is humming, man, they moving that ball. You turn your head, the ball going the other way. Whip, whip three, like. And so it's the contrast of two different styles reminds me a bit of the coming up and coming Golden State warriors trying to make their name with a young core. And OKC reminds me of Houston, even Cleveland, but not as much Cleveland, more Houston. But what I mean by that is you got one guy controlling everything. And if you think about those James Harden led Houston teams, Shay, Gildrich, Alexander, one guy controlling everything, obviously you got other guys getting off Bron, one guy controlling everything. Then obviously you had Kyrie doing what Kyrie does. Jalen Williams, you know what I'm saying? Like, and so I see the similarities in these teams and kind of those teams when we were coming through and the real heyday, and I think it's beautiful to watch. But, you know, I think for Cleveland, where they're going to have to take that next step, and I think they've done a good job of it with the system that they've built. With Kenny Atkinson coming in and the system they've built, Donovan Mitchell has historically struggled in the playoffs. And so with Cleveland, with Donovan being your go to guy like Shay gonna get his. He's showing you that Donovan has historically struggled in the playoff. And I think they have to be aware of that and already be ahead of time trying to figure out what we need to put in place to combat that if he struggles again, because that can hinder their chance at being one of those Teams in this finals that can hinder their chance of being a team that's a part of an NBA Finals preview.
[64:28]
Baron Davis
It is very hard for a guard and a guard led team to get you all the way where you need with no type of three, four, you know what I mean? Potent presence, that's what I would say. Now, there are exceptions to the rules because you have exceptional guards. You think Steph Clay, but you also have the balance of Harrison Barnes, ignit Draymond Green, Andrew Pogue, David, you know what I mean? So you still staple, you know what I mean, in the interior. And so, you know, I would say on the Cleveland side, you know, Darius Garland, my boy Donovan Mitchell, they have the talent to do it, you know what I mean?
[65:29]
Draymond Green
Yes.
[65:29]
Baron Davis
What they need and where I think is going to be critical for them is Evan Mobley has really become 2010, you know what I mean? He gotta really become 2010 and they gotta really use him as somebody who is close to the basket, can get fouls, create fouls, right? Because, you know, you. It's just put a lot down the stretch and then the playoffs is going to put a lot of pressure on Donovan Mitchell to get to the hole, to shoot jumpers, Darius Garland, get to the hole, shoot jumpers, make plays. You know, the playoffs like that floor is shrink, you know what I mean? And I think advantage to okc because the shrink floor just means you got to play some one on one and now you gotta deal with a dude who just can't be stopped, you know what I mean? And like, you know, no matter how tight the space, you know, okc, I think, you know, that third factor is going to be, you know, how Chet, you know what I mean, integrates himself into that system. Because they got a lot of talent, right? They got a lot of dudes who can do a lot of things. Harkenstein is solid, you know what I mean? Like, they're investing in size, you know what I mean? But they're gonna need Chet to step up, you know, they're gonna need Jalen Williams to, to play that, you know.
[66:53]
Draymond Green
He struggled last playoffs too. It'll be a big step for J Dub as well.
[66:57]
Baron Davis
You need that Batman Robin. You need that, you know what I mean? You need those two, you know, superpowers. But, you know, they also gotta, they gotta get through that west, you know what I mean? And so, okay, Cleveland has the matchup capabilities for any team in the east okc. They can fuck around and get the wrong matchup. Now that first round, you know what I mean, you're getting tackled.
[67:30]
Draymond Green
You know what I mean?
[67:31]
Baron Davis
It becomes. It becomes a little bit harder for them to, like, get from one round and, like, you know, the fight, the fight, the fight gotta come from, you know, now these talented kids. You got dork. You know what I mean? Wiggins, you. Isaiah, like, one of these dudes gonna have to become somebody, you know what I mean? For them outside of Shay.
[67:54]
Draymond Green
Yep. No, that's a fact. And. And the reality is the fight on the way can sometimes cost you.
[68:00]
Baron Davis
Yeah.
[68:01]
Draymond Green
Because a tough fight along the way.
[68:03]
Baron Davis
It takes a lot.
[68:04]
Draymond Green
You may win the battle.
[68:06]
Baron Davis
Yeah.
[68:07]
Draymond Green
But over the course of time, it may cost you the war. You know what I'm saying? So that's definitely something you always have to be leery of in the Western Conference because it's just a little different.
[68:18]
Baron Davis
And inexperienced. Clipped him last year.
[68:21]
Draymond Green
Yes, it did.
[68:23]
Baron Davis
And then I also would say inexperience clipped them, made them hungry, but they didn't get the experience that they needed to, like, have that next level of getting over the hump. So now they gotta go through new, familiar terrain, unfamiliar terrain. If they're going on a quest to the finals. Right.
[68:43]
Draymond Green
1,000.
[68:44]
Baron Davis
Like, we ain't did this round, so we gotta. We didn't beat Dallas. You know, you have to watch. Right. You know what I mean? And you have to watch Dallas go to the finals, right?
[68:53]
Draymond Green
Yep.
[68:54]
Baron Davis
You know what I'm saying?
[68:55]
Draymond Green
Absolutely.
[68:55]
Baron Davis
So, like. Yeah, you got that. But, like, you didn't win that series. Right. So you don't know what that next round felt like. The next round felt like. So you're fighting also against unfamiliar territory and new terrain. So, you know, a little different from okc.
[69:15]
Draymond Green
That's a fact. And what I will say is, I always talk about it. The know how.
[69:20]
Baron Davis
Yeah.
[69:20]
Draymond Green
Is one of the biggest things. Like Boston. Boston ain't tripping on none of these games. You know why? Because what they know is we know how to do it. Like, so just get us there. We know how to do it. The know how. Like, I'm telling you, the know how is why we beat Boston in 2022. Yeah. We just knew how to do it.
[69:44]
Baron Davis
You've been there before.
[69:46]
Draymond Green
Yes, and. And you're right. These teams, they don't know how to do it. And sometimes you run up against a team and you like, you know what? They just knew how to do it. And so that's what both of these teams got to look out for.
[69:59]
Baron Davis
No, I agree.
[70:06]
Draymond Green
All right, next one. Bogdan. Parashev, P A R A S C H I V what is the hardest part of being an NBA player that fans don't understand?
[70:21]
Baron Davis
Man, the hardest part about being an NBA player is you play a game you love, and winning the championship is the hardest thing you can do. Right? And people don't understand that. My son damn sure don't understand that. But also, I don't think fans really understand how much hard work it takes to come back from injuries.
[70:46]
Draymond Green
Yeah.
[70:46]
Baron Davis
As a player who likes, like, came into the league injured, by the way, coming off of, like, an acl, you know what I mean? It's just like, you are just never, ever a hundred percent. You're only like, a hundred percent of, like, the 70 capacity that you can play at that year. Only a hundred percent of that. Like, if you can get back to 80, right? You just are never. Once you get. Once you got the knee surgery, and it's just hard to get back to where you were gonna go, right? And so there's, you know, just like a. A health plateau, right? And so I. I just don't think fans understand because when you talk, when you, like, even a Kawhi, right, you look at somebody like Kawhi, and, like, fans just got the wrong perspective of, like, somebody who bust their ass to get back, get on the court, and kill, and you think, this dude don't want to be on the court 55, 43, and 90, you know what I mean? It's like, oh, I want to be over here in street clothes. Like, every NBA makes sense. Every NBA player wants to. Wants to play. And, like, I actually like it now, man, because y'all got people around y'all that care about your longevity. We played like, it was just like, oh, you can play. You gotta play. Every win was a needed win, ice and stem, and you know what I mean? Like, do not get on that training table if you don't need to be there. You know what I mean? And then you get to, like, I would say early in y'all career, where, you know, you could hang out on the training table, but, like, dudes was just hurt. You know what I mean? We didn't know how to. How to. It wasn't longevity training. It was always just getting you right for the next game and you right for the next game. And so I don't think fans really know and understand how hard it is to, like, be injured, come back, play an entire season. Like, you just never become 100%, you know what I mean? You just, like, fighting, you know, mental battles, physical battles, and just, you Know, I just think a lot of times they just, you know, in a selfish way, they want to see players play all the time. But a lot of times it's just like, man, you have no idea how hard it is to play hurt or to be hurt and can't play.
[73:18]
Draymond Green
We as athletes are master, master compensators. It's just what we are. You learn, like, ah, this thing is hurting. I'm gonna compensate on this thing to take the pressure off that. Like, that's. That's just what it is. I think one of the hardest things for me is to do something at such an elite level and have the whole world that knows 7% of what you know trying to tell you what that should look like, how it should look, how it should be done. Like, it's blasphemous. And then you can't really say much back. You're censored in what you can say back. I'd say, for me, I think that's one of the toughest parts, just like, being at such an elite level, but playing something that everybody and their mom think they know because they played on the elementary school basketball team and learned that if you dribble with two hands, that that was called a double dribble. And they think that this thing that we do is the same thing that they did. And I'm just here to tell you, it's not even remotely close. And just enjoy the game. That's what it is for me.
[74:45]
Baron Davis
I like that. Derrick Rose Knight just passed Derrick Rose, man. Shout out to D. Rose, one of the greatest, just got announced that he getting his jersey retired. You know, we. I think it's like, 1425 is the day, man. I mean, one man, just shout out to Derek, bro. Shout out to, like, man, damn, bro. Like, wow. Just shout out to Derrick Rose. He is so cold. You know what I mean? Like, oh, my gosh. Just. Man, this dude is just. He was amazing. You know what I mean? He was amazing. I didn't get a chance to play against him as much as I wanted to, but I did catch him when I was like, okay, I'm that guy. You know what I mean? You know, I'm that guy. And I never forget down the stretch of the game, like, that fool was posting me up. They was throwing it to him on the block, bro. And he got two. Hey, Dre. He got two buckets on me. And I looked at him, I said, bro, who are you?
[75:59]
Draymond Green
That's crazy.
[76:01]
Baron Davis
And they was going, hey, bro. They was different. And, you know I haven't been. I haven't been on the, you know, on the ISO Garden, TMag Garden, Kobe down the stretch, Iverson, you know what I mean? But, like, I ain't never really had nobody clear out and post me on the short corner. And it's a guard. Hey, bro. And he jumped over me and shot a jump hook, turn around, shot a bank shot, fade. I was like, bro, who are you? After the game, I was like, yo, bro, I'm a fan. I was like, I'm a fan. I know who you are now, bro. I didn't know. I didn't know you was that nice. I followed you in Memphis, you know what I mean? Like, damn, bro, I did not know you was this nice. Shout out to D. Rose and shout out to, like, his next venture, you know what I mean? Absolutely. What are you gonna be doing next in life? You know, like his platform, you know, the way he telling his side of the story and projecting his story story is just giving me an opportunity to learn more about him and grow more about him, just as a fan, you know what I mean? No doubt his game and a fan of his. So, man, I couldn't guard him.
[77:19]
Draymond Green
Listen, man, D. Rose, wow. What an incredible player, man. I had my first opportunity to see D. Rose play up close and personal was at big time in Vegas. And D. Rose and Eric Gordon was playing on the same team. They was playing for Mean streets.
[77:40]
Baron Davis
Oh, wow.
[77:41]
Draymond Green
D1 Greyhounds. Bill Walker and O.J. mayo. Somehow I got into that capacity field game at capacity standing room. Not only ain't no standing room either. And watching them put on the show was one of the most incredible games I ever seen in my life. And then I had my first opportunity to really play against D. Rose. Like when I came into the league, I think D. Rose got hurt in 2011 or 12. So right when I came into the league, he got hurt. And then if you remember, in 2014, I want to say it was. There was a world championship team and D. Rose hadn't really played for the Bulls yet. He came back and he came back. His return was with USA Basketball and the World Championship team. And I was on the select team, coming to practice against those guys, get them ready, which was an honor for me. Cause I'm on the select team. I was geek, man. And D. Rose came down full speed at me. I come up, stop him at the free throw line. He hit me with a crazy. I shift all the way the other way. He up and under that thing, lay up. I was like, oh, My God. Like, it was just like that. And again, he was coming off injuries, so I can only imagine what that crossover and what that up and under looked like 2 1/2 years prior to that, but completely left me in the dust. And I was just like, yo, that's crazy to see that type of athleticism up close. But just a big fan of D. Rose, man, how he carried the city of Chicago. That's Chicago's heartbeat right there. That's Chicago's son right there.
[79:35]
Baron Davis
Come on, bro.
[79:36]
Draymond Green
You know, and to go to Chicago to get drafted, number one pick and actually live up to it and become the MVP in your city with the Bulls you grew up a fan of and to actually do that and then to accept with grace, when it came to an end, he accepted it with nothing but complete grace that the team that he won MVP on, that the city that he's the heartbeat of was. And I take this with a grain of salt, the city never moved on from him, who is poo and that is his city. But when that city, I mean, in that organization said, you know what, it's time we move on, we trading you, man. That man handled it with such grace. Continued to bounce back. Even had a fighter bro after that, you know, like to just see how he handled all of that, man. Like, shout out to D. Rose, man.
[80:37]
Baron Davis
Legend for life, man. All that, man. That's. Come on, man. He one of them ones.
[80:44]
Draymond Green
And. And by the way, the. The questions on is D. Rose a Hall of Famer? If he not if you went MVP in the NBA, you're a Hall of Famer, you're a Hall of Famer. Moving on. I don't care if you play one year. If you play one year in the NBA and you win MVP of the NBA. Moving on. It's Derrick Rose, a Hall of Famer. Stop it. It's ridiculous.
[81:11]
Baron Davis
Stop playing. He one of them ones.
[81:15]
Draymond Green
Moving on. All right, we're going to take three random. A few random questions before we get out of here. First one, I'll start. Sloth is legend. If you guys were a pro wrestling tag team, what would your name be? And what's your walkout song?
[81:32]
Baron Davis
It'll be Atomic Dog. And we would be called the. The Dog Pound.
[81:40]
Draymond Green
I rock with that. Say no more. Case closed.
[81:47]
Baron Davis
Case closed.
[81:49]
Draymond Green
Next one, from Sweet J11, starting from 2000s to now with the two of you, what's the most lethal Starting five. So us two in the lineup, and then you add your five, you add your three.
[82:04]
Baron Davis
Oh, okay. I would have to say, shit Shaq, of course.
[82:10]
Draymond Green
Number one, Shaq, no question. Kobe, okay?
[82:18]
Baron Davis
Gotta have Shaq. Gotta have Kobe. And then in the 2000s, I say.
[82:27]
Draymond Green
Derek, I like that. Well, listen here. I'm going to go because reading is fundamental. And we read at Michigan State, it say from the 2000s to now. So I'm going big Ds now.
[82:40]
Baron Davis
Yeah.
[82:40]
Draymond Green
See, reading is fundamental.
[82:42]
Baron Davis
My father.
[82:42]
Draymond Green
Yep, reading is very fundamental.
[82:45]
Baron Davis
You got to read it to me, right?
[82:47]
Draymond Green
I've read. I. I read it. I didn't see it. I didn't see it. You write it. You're right. I read it. So I got another one for you. Another gave us, which is learn to listen. Listen to learn. So reading is fundamental, and you need to learn to listen and listen to learn. So since I know that reading is fundamental, 2000s to now, I'm going BD.
[83:16]
Baron Davis
Steph, myself, I'm with that.
[83:21]
Draymond Green
KD and D's going with the big Diesel for sure. No question asked that center to ever grace the NBA floor. No questions asked.
[83:32]
Baron Davis
I'm with that. I'm with that lineup for show. That's a championship for sure.
[83:39]
Draymond Green
We got dog. We got scoring, we got size, we got defense, man. Come on.
[83:47]
Baron Davis
Can we. Can we relive that? All right, man. Speaking of the 2000s, bro, speaking of the 2000s, what. What you think about that new Jello song?
[84:00]
Draymond Green
I'm gonna be honest with you, bd. I may be the only person in the walk of life that I live in that I have not heard the song.
[84:08]
Baron Davis
Oh, my God. What?
[84:10]
Draymond Green
I haven't heard the song. Is it really good, or are y'all just, like, laughing at him but kind of laughing with him, but laughing at him?
[84:17]
Baron Davis
Nah, it's hard. The reason why I like it is, like, he brought back a 2000 vibe, right? So, like, it ain't like, yeah, hey, bro, I'm telling you, time is no Limited.
[84:32]
Draymond Green
Like 2000.
[84:32]
Baron Davis
Hey, bro, you gonna be like, yo, I remember this song when I was growing up. That's how I got it. Gets you right?
[84:41]
Draymond Green
Like, it not.
[84:42]
Baron Davis
You know what I mean? But he didn't come out trying to do drill rap. He didn't come out trying to rap like Lil Baby or what? Everybody else rap like. I think this is kind of like showing, like, man, my different, my hidden. And is knocking like, his little hook that. You know what I mean? I'm gonna swerve on the stove.
[84:59]
Draymond Green
So Jello ain't so. So Lavar was right. Jello ain't necessarily making it basketball. But you saying he about to make it as a rapper. So Levon got right all along.
[85:09]
Baron Davis
He got the number one YouTube song. Right now I got dudes calling me like, yo, man, you know Jello? I'm trying to book him for a show. I'm trying to book him for.
[85:19]
Draymond Green
Really good for him. All right, one second. Charles just sent the link. I'm about to listen. Y'all give me a second.
[85:28]
Baron Davis
It's like when you be like, yo, man, my cousin Rat, and. And people be like, oh, that fool don't rap. And then he come with some shit like that at the family reunion. It's like, okay, this smacking.
[85:40]
Draymond Green
Whoa, whoa, hey, that's knocking.
[85:46]
Baron Davis
I'm telling you, Lavon definitely had him.
[85:50]
Draymond Green
Had him listening to some big time was coming up.
[85:53]
Baron Davis
He had to. There she go. Lonzo can rap, too. Lonzo can rap, too.
[85:59]
Draymond Green
I actually heard Zo rap before. Zo can rap. But that's knocking. I rock with that. All right, all right. Jello, halftime show. The All Star Game. What up?
[86:07]
Baron Davis
That'll be hard.
[86:08]
Draymond Green
Bring. Bring the Jello. Bringing the All Star Game back. The All Star Game. Been dead.
[86:14]
Baron Davis
That's hard.
[86:15]
Draymond Green
Yellow here to save it. I gotta listen to that. Whoa, hey, we. We done. We done here. This episode is a rap I'm going to listen to. Jello.
[86:32]
Baron Davis
Whatever you say.
[86:41]
Draymond Green
Yeah. That's a wrap from this episode of the Draymond Green show with my dog, bd. That's a wrap.
[86:50]
Baron Davis
We out.
[86:51]
Draymond Green
Peace.
[86:52]
Baron Davis
Peace. The volume.