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Dan Flores
Why is a soap opera western like Yellowstone so wildly successful? The American west with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network. So join me starting Tuesday, May 6, where we'll delve into stories of the west and and come to understand how it helps inform the ways in which we experience the region. Today.
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Podcast Announcer
Listen to the American west with Dan Flores on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Chad Millman
Welcome to the Favorites the podcast part of the Volume Podcast Network. I am Chad Millman of the Action Network. Today I'm joined as always by my co host, my companion, my compadre, my bff Professional Better Simon Hunter. Hello, Simon.
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Simon Hunter
Chad. Right now, hot topic in Philly because of Saquon Barkley. He said the Eagles were that past Eagles team was a top five Eagles or just team ever to win a Super bowl in the list. Chad, your 1985 bears, which I thought was respect to one of the greater teams. I didn't think Saquon would know about the 1985 bears. So yeah, it's, it's, it's a hot topic and obviously you know where I'm coming from that I, you know, I respect that Bears team, but I'm obviously going to put my own Eagles team above that team. So yeah, it's fun debating super bowl winners obviously, but it's funny enough that young people even talk about the 1985 Bears. It's not just Chicago, people listen.
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Chad Millman
That 85 Bears team, if you're in a football fan, it's one of the most prominent franchise sort of markers for any fan. Like it's discussed in any conversation about greatest all time teams because their defense was so dominant and the super bowl shuffle, they had so much personality.
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Simon Hunter
I think it's all the nicknames. You got the refrigerated Perry, you got Sweetness in the backfield. It's. It feels like they just had the right time of like the group of characters with a great defense, with a great head coach and you know, it just goes together, right? 85 bears. It just sounds like it's meant to be that team.
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Chad Millman
Also. Jimbo Covert, left tackle, hall of Fame Walter Payton, running back hall of Fame Mike Ditka, head coach hall of Fame Jim Finks, gm Hall of Fame Dan Hampton, defensive end, defensive tackle hall of Fame Richard Dent, defensive end hall of fame Steve McMichael, defensive tackle, hall of Fame Mike Singletary, linebacker, Hall of Fame. Like that team literally had seven hall of Fame players and executives and coaches. Like other than the Steelers, there's no other team that can match that. The, the 84 niners can't match that. You talk about none of those Dallas.
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Simon Hunter
Teams of the 90s had that many hall of Famers.
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Chad Millman
Troy Aikman, Emmett Smith, Michael Irvin, I don't know that they had. We'd have to look it up. But like the Patriots, you know, they didn't have that many hall of Famers. No, the Eagles, how many hall of Famers will they have? Like that Bears team was dominant. The only failing of that Bears team is that they didn't win more Super Bowls. And that was because Buddy Ryan couldn't get along with Mike Dicka. He decided to leave. The, the defense was never as aggressive after that. They were upset in multiple playoffs two years in a row. Like, it just, it, it, it was a, it was a beautiful, gorgeous lightning bug of a team.
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Simon Hunter
Once again though, I cannot believe that Saquon had him in his top five. I just, and I just don't respect the Saquon, the kids under 30, the fact that he knows his football history like that, I just knew you would love that. Where, you know, as an Eagles Bias fan, I was just like, I can't believe this kid went back that far. I did not think Saquon had that in his bag.
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Chad Millman
So I thought who else did he have on his list?
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Simon Hunter
I think it was like, it was that Dallas team that Patriots team, what was it? I think Patriots won in 07 or was that the undefeated was 09, I think. But. And then, you know, the big debate with him, the other guys he was on the show with was just talking about these Chiefs teams like of the past, where it's like no one views him as the greatest team. Right. Even though they almost won three in a row. So I just thought that was interesting too where, you know, that's just, you know, kid like him talking about it when we said him and all of his boys are debating and I, I told you my view of it. The Eagles team, you know, it's always the future as we move on, bigger, faster, stronger, we always talk about that, how it changes things. This Eagles team, I would love, I'm gonna probably do it this off season because I have so much free time. I'm gonna definitely simulate it and just see what these two teams would do against 85 Bears against the Eagles. I would love to know what that spread would be. We'll see. Maybe I'll do a con for action. First one in forever about all these past super bowl teams. But you know, this Eagles team, I graded them out. I told you I had a lower grade on them than that Ravens team that lost last two years ago to the Chiefs. So it's funny where it's an all time great team to our perspective because they just, you know, scored the most points of playoff history. But it'll be interesting what the data says because I think it's going to say otherwise.
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Chad Millman
Well, look, Simon, that is 100% a podcast and if you think we're not doing that as we get closer into the summer to fill one of the episodes, you're freaking crazy. And you and I are going to be together and we're going to talk about the other teams on that list for a good time. And we'll simulate who's going to be favored and how that game would have played out. The other hall of Famers on that, that Cowboys team, Aikman, Dion, Emmett Smith, Michael Irvin, Larry Allen, Charles Haley, plus Jimmy Johnson. Look, I think the Chiefs, the last thing we'll say about this before we bring in our guest, I think the Chiefs are going to have Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelsey, Chris Jones, they might have Joe Tunney, they're going to have Spagnolo. I think they're going to have Andy Reid. They're going to go down, when you look back, as one of the most talented hall of Fame teams for sure. And I think they'll be up There with the Steelers, the Bears, these Cowboys, fascinating topic and good for Saquon. Good for Saquon for respecting the OGs. We are joined today speaking of an OG, our longtime colleague, one of the most opinionated people at Action Network. You can hear him during the NBA playoffs on our Buckets podcast and every week during the NFL season as co host of the Action Network podcast. His hot reads on the Action Network podcast Sunday night episode with Evan Abrams are invaluable. Welcome back to the show, Brandon Anderson.
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Brandon Anderson
It's good to be here, guys. I didn't know we were doing some Herschel walked talk today. Herschel Walker basically funded the entire Jerry Jones Cowboys hall of Famers. Probably like the best thing the Vikings have ever accomplished as a franchise. So, you know, repping my home teams here. Good time to be a Minnesota sports fan as always.
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Chad Millman
Brandon. I don't know the answer to this question. I feel a little bit like lawyer who is being told to ask a question and he doesn't know the answer and that's always dangerous. But Matt Mitchell has told me I have to ask what is happening at your house right now? And I'm assuming Matt knows that the rest of our audience is going to be tickled by what's happening in your house.
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Brandon Anderson
Man, my house is a disaster. So about a month ago, I get a call from my landlord at like 7am So I am, I'm renting a townhouse. There's four townhouses are all together. We got like the shared four corners. And I get a call that says, hey, I need you to wake up, get downstairs, find out if you have water coming in. The neighbors have called and complained they're getting water. It's from your house. So I go down, I look, there's, there's no water. There's nothing happening. There's no water anywhere. Nothing's happening in my house. We spend the entire week, I got an AC guy coming out, I got a heating guy coming out. We got like people coming out, checking the kitchen, the piping. We got City of Aurora coming out, checking underneath the house. Like there's sonaring down underneath my house. They're finding nothing. In the meantime, I'm like, guys, there are four houses. We share a corner where you think the water's from. Check the other two houses. No, no, it's your house. Finally, a full week later, we find out. You'll never believe this. It's one of the other two houses. Their water heater busted and has just been slowly leaking water in the meantime, because of that Water has been slowly, like, squishing up through my flooring, like, another foot or two further into my house each day. So I didn't really get, like, standing water. But it turns out water being in your house for a week is real bad for your house. So since then, they came in, they tore out all the floor or all the flooring, all the paneling. They had to take out two feet of rock all the way around. I have no kitchen. I have no bathroom. On the main floor, there is a bathroom. And my one sink in the house is the upstairs shallow bathroom sink. So I gotta, like, fill water bottles, take them down to my refrigerator, and that's what I can use. But I can't cook, really. I have just a refrigerator in my house. I work from home. I'm at my house right now. Like, they are working below me right now in my house. And this is just my house. This is what's happening for a month and counting right now. Current ETA is like, July maybe, when I will have a normal functioning house again. It's been a month. This is where I live.
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Simon Hunter
This.
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Brandon Anderson
This is. This is my life now.
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Chad Millman
That is terrible.
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Brandon Anderson
But by the way. By the way, the two feet of walls missing, just to be clear, those are the walls separating me from my neighbors. I share a house with my neighbors now, so there's a sheet of plastic between me and my neighbors. I get their house, I get their sounds, I watch their TV shows. I'm getting everything from. I can, like, crawl into their house if I want to.
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Chad Millman
What else going on in those houses?
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Brandon Anderson
It's a mess.
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Chad Millman
Simon, as a land. As a real estate owner, this sounds like a nightmare.
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Simon Hunter
It does. And I would just be happy that he's not suing me. I feel like this is like the ground determination. This guy has broken your contract in many different ways. But, yeah, this. The. The. The part that stuck out to me is you said it's gonna be done July, just in time for you to be done doing your NBA season.
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Brandon Anderson
I know, right?
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Simon Hunter
Like, yeah, it's ridiculous. No, you're. You're a trooper, man. I. I'd be losing my shit, but, you know, that's. This is part of life. This is why as someone that has been a renter and rented. This is the greatest fear is exactly what he's explaining here, which is just all shit going wrong and then just falls on you and you have no other option. I mean, I feel bad for you, brother.
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Brandon Anderson
Well, you know how it goes to, like, my. My landlord's not even the owner I got like the landlord manager company, so I can't even contact the Landlo. They're contacting their insurance. The neighbor who found the water is contacting their insurance. The neighbor whose house actually provided the water is doing their insurance. My rented insurance, doing crap. Nobody will communicate with anyone else. And yeah, when you're not the owner and can't just, like, figure things out yourself, you're stuck waiting on like eight lines of communication. And I'm like, really? Right now? During nightly NBA playoffs and like daily bucket episodes. This is the time. Of course this is the time. That's always the time.
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Chad Millman
All right, can we get down to business, please? Because as, as terrible as I feel for Brandon, we've got some NFL futures to discuss. That's the the promise of this show. We're going to play a game. Okay. We all love betting MVPs. Brandon, you specifically love betting MVPs. You just nailed the NBA MVP Shea Gilgis Alexander, you had him at six to one this past season. Evan, Ev, some information on the most recent MVP from a betting perspective. We'll have a two round draft. You can't draft anyone 20 to one or shorter. So that includes the seven favorites. Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, Jaden Daniels, Jalen Hurts, and Justin Herbert. They're all between 5 to 1 and 20 to 1. We each get two picks. I'm going first, Simon second, Brandon third. We go back around. Brandon wants to go last. You're probably gonna throw out a couple extra names at the end quickly, right? You specifically want to go last. I get to go first. Okay. Okay. So we've got CJ Stroud. We've got Jared Goff. We've got Jordan Love, Caleb Williams. Brock Purdy is interesting to me. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. Brock Purdy 35 to 1. And here's my reasoning. We've talked about this a lot over the past couple months. We love the Niners and Simon. We love the Niners when before the schedule was announced. We love the Niners even more after our podcast with Warren Sharp. I bet the Niners 25 to 1 to win the super bowl. And I think last year was so bad and such an anomaly for this team because of all the injuries. I am betting on them being healthy. I am betting on them having a favorable schedule for the first time and in probably half a decade because they haven't made it to an NFC championship game at the least. So I'm betting on Brock Purdy 35 to 1.
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Simon Hunter
There you go Brock Purdy off the board. I'm going to go with Chattery knows all this. I'm, I'm on on the Cowboys. How am I not going? Dak 45 to 1. My view of is this is probably one of the better offenses he's going to ever play. And you know the fact that they went out, got a star receiver to be his number two receiver. They know the deal, right? You're in the division right now that you were alert, you were looked at as a third team. Like they know that Washington and the Eagles are placed above them. To me, this is the perfect spot to back deck a guy who's coming off a fluke injury on the previous season. Before that he was basically second MVP voting. So the fact that we're getting him at 45 to 1 in a division that he's basically left for dead, I mean, no shock to no one. Listen to the show. I'm all in the Cowboys and we already talked about their schedule. If he goes through that schedule and wins this division, somehow gets the 12 wins, I could easily see him being in consideration for that MVP award. So I like that value here on deck.
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Chad Millman
That was gonna be my second pick, Brandon.
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Brandon Anderson
So those were my two MVP picks two years ago. That was my position for the season. And going into the year, I think a problem with both of them, you often see like the, the one off candidates. I think they both had their MVP year. I think their MVP year was that year two seasons ago. Dak finished second. Purdy, I thought had a real case to win. You often, if you're not Mahomes or Allen or Lamar, one of that level of quarterback, you often have your MVP shot. You have one shot at it with that one great year. I fear with Dak and maybe Pie that they maybe had that year already. You mentioned Evan. Evan had the stat that in the NBA the last three MVPs, Shagus, Alexander, Jokic, and Embiid, all three were 6 to 1 or shorter. It's the first time in 15 years that we've had three short favorites in the NFL. The reason I want to do this draft is because we often have longer number MVPs. Seven of the last 10 MVPs have been at 1100 or longer heading into the season. So typically if it's just one of those generational hall of Fame guys, that's fine. That you know, we're not going to give you short odds, not going to give you like a 2000 on momes or whatever. If that's who you want, that's who you want. But there is a lot of times where you know, even Lamar wanted at 16 to 1. Matt Ryan was 75 to 1 his year. Cam Newton was 50 to 1. Lamar was 40 to 1 his first time. So that's why we like the long shots. I, I, I, I'm interested by dak and by py. I'm interested in the 49ers for my first pick. I'm going to surprise myself a little bit actually. I don't really love this team or player but I like the number and I like. I don't mind betting on being wrong sometimes and if I'm wrong, how would I be wrong? Could it be this version I have not been in on the Rams. I do not really believe in the Rams, but if the Rams are good. Matthew Stafford, 51 I think is a really interesting MVP pick. Devonte Adams and Puka Nukua, that's like the best one two punch receiving core in the NFL. You got a good running game with Kyron Williams, Blake Corum second year. They've invested in the line. I don't super trust the defense yet but they're young, they're coming around late in last season. They're a 10 win team two years in a row and we've seen when the offense is hot, like they can beat anybody. They can drop 40 points any given day. And mass Stafford the thing too. You always need the narrative here. 37 year old Stafford on his last leg set up for retirement. Is he a Hall of Famer? Like we're all gonna have that conversation if he's having a big year and it's a tough division because I agree, I like the 49ers but if the Rams actually can win the division and be toward the top of the NFC, I think Stafford at 50 to 1 is a real bargain and should be in that like 20, 25 range. So he's my first pick. I surprised myself.
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Chad Millman
I gotta say I love that one too Simon. We also do. I don't know about you but like my two futures bets are the Rams and the Niners and so I don't have any issue with what Brandon is saying about Stafford.
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Simon Hunter
Yeah, that was the first team I took a position on and I got lucky obviously because they afterwards added Devonte Adams and it's like okay, that was, that was a huge move I needed them to make. But I love the pick too because I think Stafford was actually bad last year. Like I don't think he had that good of a season. I thought he had a bunch of injuries that they kind of covered up that it was ailing him. You saw just a different Stafford after that Bills game. Right? That game where their offense was so explosive. He basically did nothing three or four weeks following that because I think he was battling through stuff. So my view of this is the same as what he just said. It's like, Stafford, veteran quarterback, prime. His career has the weapons coming off what I perceive as a down year. 50 to 1. I'd take that anytime on a guy like him.
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Chad Millman
All right, my second pick.
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Simon Hunter
Wait, doesn't it. Doesn't he get back to back? Are we not doing.
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Brandon Anderson
No, no, no. Let's see more. I want to go last.
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Chad Millman
Brandon's going time not doing it. We're not doing a snake draft.
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Brandon Anderson
I don't need the head start.
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Chad Millman
My second pick. I am going to go with Trevor Lawrence. 50 to 1. I don't.
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Brandon Anderson
I don't like. I was. That was my next pick you saw from me. I should. I should have gone.
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Chad Millman
I don't love Trevor Lawrence. He hasn't lived up to expectations. Um, but given the division, given the coaching changes, given the added talent, how good Brian Thomas Jr. Was last year, can Travis Hunter be anything close to what the expectations are? He'll certainly have the weapons and the opportunity. And if he's remotely close to what he was a couple of years ago when they won the division and made the playoffs, he's going to be in a position. He'll have a puncher's chance to win this if they end up winning their division, because everyone is expecting it to be CJ Stroud and the Texans. So, you know, looking for value. I'll take Trevor Lawrence.
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Simon Hunter
It gets. It gets gross once you start getting down here. So I get really. I just. I'm so burned by him right now. I just need to see him have a full season, healthy and, you know, be compatible in an offense because it sounds crazy, but Mac Jones came in and Brian Thompson Jr. Played better, and that team looked like they played better. So that's not. You don't want me to be in the same mindset of saying, Mac Jones came in and did better than you at your job. So Trevor Lawrence, this is a massive, massive year, and he's a quarterback who's very lucky that they are playing in Jacksonville. Right. If he played in any type of other big market, this man would be getting crucified almost every off season. So big, big year upcoming for Jacksonville and Trevor Lawrence, my pick. Chad. I feel like Brandon talked about a little Bit it's that year two quarterback, right? That's where you get these crazy long shot values. Like one of my best bets of my career, Mahomes 50 to 1 the next year, Lamar 50 to 1. Like that was a really fun run of these guys making their first year starts. Getting really good long shot odds before the, the public and the books caught up to it. When I'm looking at this list, Chad, it's hard to imagine any of these quarterbacks being like those two. It really is like really Penix is about to that next step. I can't do it. The one guy I can do it with just because the odds are so insane they've come down a little bit too is B. Knicks. I bet this one he was 101 down to 80 to one. Now he's 75 to one. It's just really about Sean Payton in that offense. Like if B. Knicks is who he thinks he can be, all of a sudden it really is an offense that runs through him. This kid throws for 40 touchdowns, runs for 10, maybe 12 touchdowns. Explosive year. That team somehow wins the division. First time someone outside the Chiefs wins that division. Bo Knicks to me could easily win this award. Like he has all the tools, has the coaching staff. It's just, do we really believe in Bo Knicks? Was last year simply a fluke? Was that literally the peak of Bo Knicks is what we saw last year? Yeah, that's a risk, but it's 75 to 1. I don't care burning that money. So to me I, I like those long shot odds on a year two quarterback that potentially the storyline is there to take that next step. And everything you've seen this offseason, him working on his throwing motion, working on his feet. It's all there laid out. Is it a flash in the pant from last season? I don't know Chad, but I like that number, 75 to 1.
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Chad Millman
Two other quarterbacks in his division have odds between 5 to 1 and 20 to 1. So he will have to exceed the preseason expectations of two other quarterbacks, Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert.
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Dan Flores
The American west with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network. Hosted by me, writer and historian Dan Flores and brought to you by Velvet Buck, this podcast looks at a West available nowhere else. Each episode I'll be diving into some of the lesser known histories of the West. I'll then be joined in conversation by guests such as Western historian Dr. Randall Williams and best selling author and Meat Eater founder Stephen Rinella.
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Simon Hunter
I'll correct my kids now and then where they'll say when cave people were here. And I'll say, it seems like the Ice Age people that were here didn't have a real affinity for caves.
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Dan Flores
So join me starting Tuesday, May 6, where we'll delve into stories of the west and come to understand how it helps inform the ways in which we experience the region today.
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Chad Millman
Brandon, your last choice for mvp.
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Brandon Anderson
Yeah, I looked at those sophomore quarterbacks, too. We obviously had the six guys drafted last year. J.J. mcCarthy is not a sophomore quarterback. He's basically a rookie, but in a good position if Minnesota wins. Well, again, we saw Darnold kind of get like the. I don't know, is he in the conversation? No, he was not. But we. If you're, if you're being talked about in the conversation, maybe I could see panics, maybe getting into that spot. Drake London, Kyle Pitts, Bijan Robinson. And again, similar to your Trevor Lawrence pick, Chad, soft division, very winnable division, very good chance to get to 12, 13 wins if things go well there. Drake, may I? I. That was my favorite quarterback of the choices last year. I. I like a lot about the Patriots. We'll talk about them in a second. Yeah, Lawrence was who I was hoping to take here, so I love that pick. I think that's as much a pick on Liam Cohen as it is on Trevor Lawrence. Bringing in the coach that last year got Baker Mayfield to 4, 500 yards and 41 touchdowns. If Trevor Lawrence does that and then they win the division and get in contention, he's going to get that golden boy bump into the MVP conversation. All right, I'm trying to decide if I want to make like a realistic long shot pick or just a long shot long shot pick. And I'm last. I'm doing both. Okay. Kyler Murray, that's my pick. KYLER Murray is 50 to 1. This is my more realistic one. Kyler's been in the MVP conversation at the midpoint of the season like two previous times. He's just tiny and then he gets hurt and then that's it. But we, we've just been watching Lamar Jackson the last couple of years do the thing where you get the highlight reel runs, you make the crazy, you know, plays very like Tik Tok generation sort of thing. Just give me the three or four big plays of the game and grab my attention. Kyler's always going to have that. You now have back to back years. Ted McMillan with Marvin Harrison Jr. Plus the tight end. The coaching staff is young, but the team has been slowly rounding in the form. I'll admit what I don't love here is it's a tough path to win a lot of games. You got to win a lot of games with mvp and I don't know if I trust the defense yet and we've been talking about multiple teams in that division already so that's not great. I would love Kyler Murray better if it was in a more winnable division. But 4,000 yards, 25 scores, 5, 6, 700 rushing yards and some scores and those highlight plays, the scramble around make something out of nothing. That's the plan. Speaking of which, similar style player Chad, you're gonna either gonna love this and bet it immediately or absolutely hate it and kick me off the podcast. I'm going off the board 250 to 1 for a starting quarterback in the NFL named Justin Fields. Justin Fields of the New York Football jets there is your Lamar Jackson long shot. If he starts all year and stays healthy, that's the key. He could get a thousand yards rushing. He probably will get a thousand yards rushing and 10 scores. We've seen Lamar Jackson, we've seen Cam Newton probably a more a better candidate for Justin. The Fields running quarterbacks in court is sort of break the MVP formula. I like what the jets did, bringing in Aaron Glenn, bringing in new coaching staff they believe in. There's a lot of talent on defense. Glenn can get them back in the right track. There's Garrett Wilson and Breeze hall on offense. There are weapons they've invested a lot in the offensive line. I think Fields is interesting flyer for the team that probably is going to go very terribly. Probably this will go in your MVP portfolio and you'll be like man I can't believe I made that stupid bet. But just in case that's what I thought three years ago I bet Trey Lance because I just wanted any Shanahan quarterback 50 to 1. And not only did Trey Lance not win MVP, he didn't even start. He got benched and traded and was like the third string Cowboys quarterback and it was in action app. Top of my list as my top future as the futures guy at Action Network. But the next year I went back to the well with Brock Purdy. 50 to 1. He didn't win either but it was a great pick and a great value that gave me a lot of shots later in the season. Fields, if he actually plays decently and gets his runs and gets the highlights 251 for a decent NFL starting quarterback is just too long for an MVP pick. We know it's a quarterback. There are only 32 of them. That's only if you count like Cleveland and some of the teams that didn't even have real guys. So Justin Fields is the long shot of long shots. Chad, do you love me or hate me?
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Chad Millman
You couldn't even make that whole pitch without your voice cracking because you know how absurd the idea really is. That is what I think of it. I feel like whatever water is underneath your house has slowly seeped into your brain because it's outrageous. I do love, listen, I love the Stafford pick. I like the Dak pick. I like the Purdy pick. Trevor Lawrence is a fun little taste. I agree with you, Simon. Like I was looking at the, the odds sort of that we have in front of us here. I was debating between Drake May and Bo Nix. We're going to talk about some coaching changes. So I don't want to go too, too deep into Drake maybe. So Fields is, is off the board for me. Kyler Murray is interesting. I just think he's not going to be better. His team is not going to be better than the Niners. They won't be better than the Rams in my opinion. So I'd rather invest in the other two. But I like, I like the conversation. That's a fun conversation. Coaching coordinator changes this off season, Brandon, that you think you love, that have the biggest impact positively or negatively on super bowl future values, any way you'd like to slice it, you start.
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Brandon Anderson
Yeah, I, when I get prepped up for the beginning of the new football season, coaching and offensive line are the two areas that I think are, are the biggest edge betters can have. Big picture on a team going into a season. Who got the big coaching change that's going to help the team then raise the floor or raise the ceiling? Who got the trenches upgrade. And I think the answer to both of those questions this year, Chad, is your Chicago Bears. Chicago and Ben Johnson. I know it's all the hype. I know the Bears are always the off season champs this season. I think it's actually legit. Ben Johnson, with the culture change that he's going to bring to the locker room, with the play calling, I think with the aggression that he's going to bring from the Dan Campbell tree, I think maybe he was the aggression, but it's not just Ben Johnson. And that's part of the reason I love this. You never know what happens when you go from like the star play caller to the head coach, Dennis Allen. I love the rejected failed head coach back to Just humbling thyself to become a humble little defensive coordinator again. Dennis Allen's a fantastic defensive coordinator and there's talent to work with there. I'm intrigued, too. I don't know a lot about Dean Doyle. He's the new offensive coordinator. He was the tight ends coach for Denver and, and the Saints before that. Tight ends coach is what Ben Johnson was. We're seeing more and more tight ends coaches as tight ends become versatile weapons. Are you in line or are you out split out wide? Are you receiving? Are you blocking? Like tight end coaches are kind of touching a lot of parts of the offense, so they bring a lot of versatility and new ideas to an offense as well. So, look, we know I just said earlier, I'm a Minnesota sports fan. I am not a Bears fan, even though I live in this area here. The area is buzzing about Chicago coaching, and between that and the huge investment in the offensive line and Grady Jarrett and the defensive line, like, they are pressing all my buttons. And I don't know how I know the schedule is daunting, the road schedule, oh, my goodness, like, you can't really make it much harder than that. But Chicago's coaching and investment in the line, I don't know how I can not be in on this team going ahead.
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Chad Millman
Yesterday I got a text from, you know, I've got my Chicago text chain and the text yesterday was the anatomy of the Bears season, which starts with, your fans are excited for the season. Season ends in disaster. Fans sad and depressed. Off season hype videos. So we are in the middle of the off season hype video. Fans excited for the season phase. Brandon, from your mouth to God's ear, like, let's. Let's make it happen. And by the way, Chicagoans got a direct pipeline to God right now, so we should definitely, definitely be taking advantage of that. There's a great story, I think, in the New York Times today about how long can Chicago hype for the Pope last? So we're already getting to the point where we know the hype for the Pope in Chicago is not gonna last. So we might as well use it for all we can and try to get as many prayers in for the Bears before everyone has the Pope backlash. Simon, coaching change, coaching that are positive, negative, impacting future odds for you.
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Simon Hunter
First, I want to know how terrified you were when there feels like there's only one reporter left in this whole entire world. It happens to be your boy, Seth. Were you terrified when he texted you, hey, doing a story on the Bears. Were you like, holy shit, this is, this is bad. You do not want him coming around your team. So I can only imagine that conversation.
- [37:29]
Chad Millman
Look, we're going to have Seth on the show to talk about his book. For those, for, for those who don't know. Simon is talking about Seth Wickersham, who's one of my closest friends. And he has a book coming out in the fall in September called American the Biography of a Quarterback. I've read it. It's, it's brilliant. It's so brilliant that like it has sent me into a six week spiral about the book I'm working on and how can I make it as good as Seth's. I swear to God, we've been talking about this. It's so freaking good. And he's with Caleb Williams in his pre draft process and then during his season with the Bears he goes in detail with John Elway, Steve Young, Warren Moon. He goes back to YA Tittle like it is an amazing book and I hope everyone buys it and he will come on and talk about the book. Simon, I knew about this already because Seth had been telling me about the book for three years. We had had lunch many, many times where he told me what he had on Caleb Williams. That the news came out last week from Seth that Caleb wasn't watching film with Shane Waldron, wasn't getting direction, had really connected with Kevin o' Connell from the Vikings, was hoping to get drafted by the Vikings. Caleb's dad was trying to pull sort of an Archie Manning and get his, get the Bears to not draft Caleb Williams and get him drafted by somebody else. This week. Ben Johnson acknowledged all that said we don't mind that reputation. This is what we're here to turn around. I thought he handled it great. Caleb hasn't said anything about it. Seth blew up last week. He and I were on the phone when he was in the middle of all his media stuff. I was in Lexington, Kentucky. It's great. It's totally great. I got a text from my son when I was on the road because all this was breaking when I was on the road and, and who obviously he knows Seth very, very well. The text was this from Seth is so annoying. All I'm getting is Caleb Williams hates the Bears in my timeline. So that's how it landed in my house as a bear stand and I'm.
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Simon Hunter
The other way where it made me so happy. Where it's like we all knew something was holding back Caleb Williams last year. And when you go through the numbers and just going through last season it's incredible what he did and like that's why like I'm still, I'm still hasn't have not budged. So have him above Jane Daniels and I'm still very excited. And you know that to me, the slam dunk higher of the off season, it's what we just said. It's Ben Johnson, right? Like the fact that he has him now, it changes everything. And you know, for me, mine's gonna be a little more boring. And that's how I like it here. It's got to be Brian Schottenheimer. Like, I love everything about this move for Dallas because he is what people view as Jerry's lap dog. And the disrespect he got from that hire, even Jerry disrespected him in his hiring process. What do you call him? The. The basically called him like he was never the coach. Now he is the coach and he's.
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Chad Millman
The cheap version of Mike McCarthy.
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Simon Hunter
Yes. And I view this as a net positive because nothing's really going to change much there. Their offense is going to be the exact same. But now we have a guy that to me is already being doubted by the public and I mean Chad, me and you made that joke instantly. I can't wait to battle this guy in the regular season, the playoffs. He's just going to be like his daddy. Like that's when we're going to fade this kid when he gets to the playoffs. So the jokes are already there. But to me, the team that jumps out to me is a guy that, you know, I, I talk all the time. As an Eagles fan, I've hate a lot of our hires the past one. Nick Sirianni, who just won me a Super bowl. You want to head. You want to hate your head coach. That is the best outcome for most these teams. For Dallas and their fan base, I think this is perfect. No one likes the Brian Shiner shot and I were higher. They're being doubted. We, we talked like I'm, I'm all in on this team. That one jumped out to me though of just Dak going to be comfortable in this offense. Still. The fact that this guy is kind of being bashed on by the media, those tends to be the coaches that work out, not the guys that we all love and adore coming to the season.
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Chad Millman
Guys, the answer is Robert Sala to the San Francisco 49ers. As much as I love Ben Johnson and believe me, like I'm all in on Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams, I think the division is terribly hard. I'M not quite sure the defense is good enough yet. I think their schedule is just a tragedy and the NFL should have thought harder if they're going to put their highest profile new hire with a transcendent, potentially talent at quarterback. Give him a freaking break in the schedule. Robert Saleh going back to that defense after the just mess that was, the New York jets feeling liberated from the New York media, from the Johnson family, from the quarterback drama. That defense, when Robert Silo was coaching that defense for the jets, was elite. We saw how bad they got after he left and he was doing that with every obstacle. He was handcuffed by this team. He gets to go back to San Francisco with a talented defense and a coach who will trust in him implicitly. And a lot of guys on that team who remember what it was like when he was there. And he was so freaking good and so smart and the way he was so intense on that sideline. He got to be himself as a defensive coordinator. He couldn't do that as a head coach with the Jets. Give me Robert sala, San Francisco 40 90ers. You guys are shaking your heads?
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Brandon Anderson
Yeah, that, that's. That was my second pick as well. And frankly, it's. It's a 1B more than a number two. Like we talked about this just before we started the show, San Francisco is my very first bet of the new NFL season to win the super bowl next year. I know you guys are in on them as well. We forget because it's been a few years now. Number one, the jets defense just last year was great with Robert Sala. Then they got rid of him and fell completely off a cliff. But he was that good for them before that, though. The thing we forget, as much as we give Kyle Shanahan credit, and as good as the offense Allas is, their defense actually ranked higher than the offense in the years that Salah was there. And it's not like the offense was bad. That's just how great, how elite the defense was. So you're right, it's not the same names anymore, but there's still a lot of talent there. They lost a ton, a ton of injury games last year.
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Chad Millman
Yeah.
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Brandon Anderson
So just getting back healthy, I, I think they to me remind me that the reason I picked them was I was due in like January. Okay. Who will be next year's? What's the team that's hot right now? Who's next year's commanders? Who is next year's Eagles? That sort of thing. I think that the Niners are next year's Eagles, I think getting that new voice in to lead the defense, a new old voice in their case, just like the Eagles did, and then getting healthy again and a team that just the stock is too low because of the way the season ended, just like the Eagles had the previous year, where the Eagles, remember, fell apart and we didn't even know are you going to keep next year, Yanni, you're going to fire him. And we even got that a little bit into the season. It was two and two starting out, I think, and you know, we didn't know if they're going to be any good. They got to that bye week and everything just clicked into place and off they went. Obviously McCaffrey was out last season. That's the Saquon Barkley of the team getting him back. We say running backs don't matter, but a couple of them really do matter and change everything about an offense getting him back in there, getting Trent Williams back healthy on the line. I'm not worried about losing Debo Samuel. They've got plenty of other options. They were preparing for that anyway. I think San Francisco to me is a co favorite in the nfc. Like I don't even think that they are a sleeper. I would just put them with Philadelphia and ahead of Detroit or other teams in the nfc. So I think the, the revamp defense, the renewed defense is big there. I really like Clint Kubiak, the offensive coordinator higher in Seattle. I wanted to be excited about them with him and with Mike McDonald and then they were like, yeah, but we're not really sure we're doing goodbye Gino and goodbye dk. That was my other super bowl bet. I'm already just kind of counting that ticket as a loss because I don't know what's happening. I they decided they're in transition when I thought that they had a possible contender there. But to my San Francisco pick, to our San Francisco pick, the one thing I didn't love about it was that I really like Seattle right there in the division. So okay, well Seattle's worse. I guess San Francisco need a couple easier wins in the division maybe as well. So those were the coordinator names that really caught my eye, the coaching names. Simon, I guess I'm proving your point. I did not like Brian Schoenheimer, Matt Eberfluss. I know. I like the the rehire of the defense. These just feel like kind of retread names that gave up in the cycle. But that's your point. That's the narrative thing and it is a little crazy that Dak is 45 to 1 MVP as good as he is, as good a weapons as they have with George Pickens now. So, yeah, I think what you said is interesting. I have to kind of rethink the narrative because it does feel like a very low spot on perception on the Cowboys.
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Simon Hunter
Yeah. I would just say, too, the 49ers, the biggest thing, my biggest worry is the Eagles nailed the draft like, they nailed the draft. So to me, the 49ers, that's been the kind of the Achilles heel these last couple years is lynch has not been nailing the draft like he was in the early 2000s. Right. And, you know, for a team like them that have to pay these top talent guys, you have to nail the draft. So I'm really excited to see what Salah can do with these young guys, especially the secondary that they have in San Francisco. So I'm right there with you. My. I mean, we got to talk about it, right? The best. The best coaching hire to me is up in New England, a guy we all love, is it not? What do you say, Chad?
- [47:29]
Chad Millman
Yeah, I mean, like, I just asked you who the best coaching hire was. You gave me 10 minutes on Brian fucking Schottenheimer. And now at the end of this, we're going to Mike Vrabel. Of course Mike Vrabel is a better hire than Brian Schottenheimer. I hope that's true. Like, I'm just thinking, like, do I think Robert Sala is a better piece to get the 49ers over the top and make them more of a Super bowl contender? Do I think Mike Vrabel is making the Patriots a Super bowl contender right now? Maybe.
- [48:02]
Simon Hunter
There you go. That's right. That's what I just think he can change the whole culture. So that's why I love it so much, where it's like.
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Chad Millman
First over Brian Schottenheimer.
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Simon Hunter
No, because the Brian shot. I was so out of left field. People knew the variable conversation was coming because you teased earlier. So I didn't want to start with him just because people knew it was coming. But it's. It's the move that just jumped out to both of us. We loved it so much. You know, my sick mind, I was thinking of all the ways we could get rid of Sirianni after that Week four, when we were two and two, I was like, oh, my God, fire this. Bring me in variable. Give me variable right now. We'll win a Super bowl this season. Nah, I'm sorry, Nick Sirianni. You're the man.
- [48:39]
Chad Millman
Well, here's the thing though. Here's the thing right now. If you could have Mike Vrabel for the next five years or Nick Sirianni for the next five.
- [48:48]
Simon Hunter
I'm biased. So I per. I don't like. I don't like Sirianni as a person. That's my issue. So I can. I'm. The blinds are too blurred. Like he. That whole thing when he talks to Eagles fans and then rather than owning up to it at the press conference, he brought his kids out. Chad, I was out forever. He just. That totally rubbed me the wrong way. And I respect him as a coach and as. As a man, obviously, but as just a general person, I just do not like him as variable. As a general person. I'd be boys with variable. I'd pack a dip. Dip lip with Rabel. Variable is that man, that dude, he's a man's man. And like the fact that, you know this offensive lineman they drafted was a Will Howard that he. He was blocking with him, like getting a feel for him, see how he could work his hands and his body.
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Chad Millman
Oh, I saw. Yeah.
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Simon Hunter
Like that's the stupid. As a football fan, I just love to hear. So you know that one jumps out right away where it's like he can come in, put his identity on this team. Like you just said, Chad, they probably won't win this year, right? We all agree Drake may has a ton of talent. He would have to take an insane jump in year two because they just don't have the weapons on the outside in my opinion to really factor into that. That division with the Bills. But crazier things have happened, right? So you know, variable, to me that's, that's the higher that New England felt like they were doing everything wrong after the Brady era. This feels like the first of two first right moves, right? Taking Drake May then follow it up getting rabble the next year. So I mean, should hear Anderson's take on it because, you know, I think you like Rabel as well. But not too many of us hate a guy who wins us tons of money every time. He's an underdog. Is a better.
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Chad Millman
That's right.
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Brandon Anderson
Yeah. I mean he's such an overachiever. So I'm of two minds on it, I think. Here's what I want from Mike Vrabel. I would love to hire Mike Vrabel as the head coach on a three year deal. And then you have to leave and go to a different team because I think he is a floor raiser. But I Do not think he is a ceiling raiser.
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Simon Hunter
Interesting.
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Brandon Anderson
I think V is the guy you want to bring in like he bring him in to. To remake your restaurant and your business and get that everything going. But then you need Sirianni to get the super bowl after that, like, you need innovation and creativity. I don't love how Rabel manages games and I know we over index on that. From a fan standpoint, coaching is a lot more than that. But I think the way that he sets up the team, it's very. It's what you love, Simon. It's what we love as football fans. It's old school. It's smash mouth. It's run first. I think he's perfect for this Patriots team right now. A little bit of Belichick still, a little bit of that flavor still, and a team that just needs to raise the floor. So I'm gonna use this to launch into. We're doing my offseason hot takes. Here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna put my offseason hot takes all into one take. I think the Patriots can be this year's commanders and I think the commanders might be this year's Texans. Here's what I mean. Patriots floor raising. That's what we saw with the Commanders last year. They had a ton of salary cap and then they spent it on just dudes everywhere. And I was like, really like go get a couple real names in here. It turned out the dudes everywhere making the offensive line much better. Just adding veterans on the defense. Bobby Wagner and Frankie Luo, those dudes raised the floor and Jaden Daniels raised the ceiling. And the new coaching staff gave them an opportunity that fits the formula here. The Patriots still lack talent. You're right. I don't know that this, this is not a Super bowl pick. This is maybe a worst to first division winner pick. I think the Bills have a little more holes on the roster than they might look. I know Matt Mitchell won't like to hear it, but I know he's down on them because of we're doing hard knocks. We're getting coming off the MVP season. There's a lot of reason that the Bills. This maybe isn't the Bills year. They're kind of transitioning. Meanwhile, the Patriots add Stefan Diggs at receiver. Not a lot left, but something there back in the division. He knows I love Kyle Williams from the draft. I thought he was a really good pick for there another receiver they drafted Trevion Henderson. You mentioned Will Campbell, the lineman they brought in Morgan Moses on the line. They paid big money for Milton Williams who was fantastic in the playoffs on the defensive line. Carlton Davis probably the best cornerback available. Just lots of talent everywhere. So Vrabel raised the floor. Talent everywhere, raising the floor. Drake May can you raise the ceiling? Can you be Jaden Daniels this year? And I don't know about again, not super bowl ceiling. But this to me this is a screams over this year as an over team and a possible if they can get things right, division push where we talked about Fields and the jets. But the reality is they're probably not going to be that good. The Dolphins are downswing. I think the Bills are certainly not upswing. So maybe you think they stay the same but in the NFL you don't usually stay the same. You go one direction or the other and I think that they are going the wrong direction. The Commanders, I think might be this year's Texans. The team that is all hype. We all got excited. We watched what was I think five straight one score victories. @ the end of the season they knocked off the Lions. Congrats. The Lions were playing the three of us on defense at the end of the season like somebody was knocking off the lines. They just happened to be there for it. They get the big trade for the receiver. Stefan Diggs for the Texans, Debo Samuel for the Commanders. Oh, we got the new weapon for our new shiny young quarterback toy. That's the star. Well, Lizzy, because C.J. stroud was the big sleeper MVP last year and then he kept sleeping all season long and never really woke up and had a great season. Is that Jaden Daniels? I like Jayden Daniels, but growth is not linear. You don't just become a superstar and that's it. You're going to take some lumps along the way. I wanted them to continue to add up the roster this year they did the big splash. They put everything in on Laramie Tunsil on a trade. Laramie Tunsil was really not great last season. They're missing Sam Cosmi on the line. I don't know. The. The line got a lot worse as the year went on. The defense still lacks a lot of talent. I don't know if the Commanders are going to be as hype as everyone thinks they are. I think they could disappoint like the Texans and I think the Patriots might be this year's Commanders instead.
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Chad Millman
Look, Simon, a few weeks ago we said the Patriots at what was it, 16 to 1 or 30 to 1. It was some outrageous number.
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Simon Hunter
No, no. Just to win their division, but it was crazy. It was like.
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Chad Millman
But to win their division, it was like an outrageous.
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Simon Hunter
It wasn't that. I think it was 7 or 8 to 1.
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Chad Millman
I think that was the Titans. I don't know if someone can look up and put that.
- [55:20]
Simon Hunter
No, because the Patriots are way down, brother. Now they've been bet down since we even talked about it. Like after our show moved.
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Chad Millman
I think it was pretty long odds. Whatever. It was like The Bills are minus 275 to win the AFC east and we loved the Patriots and got a little blowback for it. We still like the Titans more to, to win the AFC south if we're looking at sort of worst to first. But I don't mind what Brandon is saying about the Patriots at all.
- [55:47]
Simon Hunter
I don't mind about. I really love what he's saying about the Commanders because I'm of the same exact mentality of him. It's just like they, they came out of nowhere, shocked the world and now everyone's just like, well, that's who they're going to be now. Jaden Daniels, he's a top five quarterback. This is a team that every year they're going to win this division or fight to win this division. It's just like, what are you just talking about? It's never that easy. You peak in value. Peak in value. That's why when we talk about these three guys at the top, the Lamar, the Mahomes, the, the Josh Allen, they're the unicorns. They're the guys every year that get you 10 wins and that's just not normal, right? There's just ups and downs. So what he's talking about here, this is why I love Dallas. It's like everyone's all in on the Eagles super winning team. Everyone's all in on the shiny new toy of the commanders and everyone has left Dallas for dead. Dallas is no worse off than they were last year when they were plus 130 at this point to win the NFC East. So it's just, that's why I love this job, Chad. It's just overreaction. It's just last year the amount of shit I took for talking about the Eagles being a top three team coming into the season because ESPN had them ranked 12th or 13th. It's, what do you people want from me? It's like this is my job to make a living doing this. It's, it's, I'm never biased. I'm happy to take Dallas, right? As an Eagles fan, I am happy to bet Dallas Why? Because I know it's a smart bet. It's all about the values here. So everything you just said about the commanders, I am. We're on the exact same page about it. Just this, this team had everything break right for them. Jaden Daniels was the best fourth down quarterback we might have ever seen in the history of the NFL. So much regression is coming to that team. So everything you just talked about, it's. It's that on in my opinion, by the commanders.
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Chad Millman
Brandon, what are the odds for the Patriots to win the division right now?
- [57:26]
Brandon Anderson
The best number out there right now is a plus 650 plus 5, 600 depending on your book. And a plus 650 is the best.
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Chad Millman
All right, well, look, we've unpacked a lot of stuff here today. We've done our hot takes. We've done our NFL MVPs. We've done our super bowl futures. We did our draft of NFL MVPs. I like it. I like where we landed. Hopefully, Brandon, you've got your galoshes and your apartment travails will clean themselves up real, real soon. Brandon Anderson, thank you for joining everyone. Listen to Brandon on buckets throughout the rest of the NBA playoffs. Simon and I will return with our next episode of the Favorites and the Action Network YouTube page. Download us from Spotify, Apple Pods, wherever you get your Pods rate. Review some subscribe. Leave us 5 stars. Say whatever you want. Feedback is a gift. Until next time. Love you. Action Network reminds you, please gamble responsibly. If you or someone you care about has a gambling problem, help is available 24. 7 at 1-800- gambler okay, have you heard about this?
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