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Podcast Host
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Ruthie Rogers
Hello, this is Ruthie Rogers, host of Ruthie's Table Four.
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Bono
Ali called me the stray dog because I would always turn up at my mate's house at mealtimes.
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Ruthie Rogers
This week I'm talking to Bono.
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Bono
All of my ideas about social justice, or rather the lack of it, came from my father too. People have to have health, housing and education drilled into me and his values.
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Ruthie Rogers
Listen to Ruthie's Table 4 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Podcast Host
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Simon Hunter
We need to embrace this community.
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Podcast Host
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Greg Rosenthal
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Chad Millman
Welcome to the Favorites the Podcast part of the Volume Podcast Network. I am Chad Millman of the Action Network. We're finally getting close to kickoff for the 2025 NFL season. We're going to begin our series of preview shows. We're going to lead into our division by division betting breakdowns that begin at the end of this month. Before we get to that, Simon and I always do a couple of table setter episodes to frame what we think when it comes to a variety of betting and fantasy topics. Today we're going to do an annual summer episode which always invites snickering and debate. Mainly the snickering is from Matt Mitchell who just said that every year for this episode I do something that I think he said that should put me in jail. I know this year will be no different. Before I introduce the topic, let me bring in my co host, my companion, my compadre might be eff professional better.
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Simon Hunter
Simon Hunter Hello Chad, back from Vegas. How you doing brother?
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Chad Millman
Dude got in very late last night. Not planning on getting in late last night and then I sat in by the way terminal F at the Philadelphia airport for more than three hours, waiting for my connection. And I. I flew from Vegas to Philly, and in my row, I ended up sitting next to a very elderly woman who only had one leg. And I was, you know, it's like she. She couldn't leave her seat, so I would climb over her to get in and out. All good, lovely woman, great conversation. But she played her Instagram reels on full blast for the first 45 minutes from the time we boarded until, like, you know, we were connected to WI Fi and she was playing it into the flight. And, like, that's just a trigger for me, you know, like people playing their phones at full blast. And I had to hold my tongue because I didn't want to be the dude asking a very nice older woman to please put on some headphones or turn down her phone.
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Simon Hunter
See, I'm such a psycho. I would have turned to her and be like, are you excited about meeting the Grim Reaper? Because you're about to if you keep listening to this music at full blast.
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Chad Millman
I held my tongue.
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Simon Hunter
I told you I was going to ask you if you did any of the World Series of Poker stuff, but I'm guessing you were busy. But the whole poker world chat is ablaze by this guy, Will Khalifa, which is basically what you're just talking about right now. Annoying people. This guy was super loud for about two days. He took over the Internet. I mean, everyone's going crazy right now. The world's just a poker because one guy, luckily he got knocked out the final tables tomorrow. An absolute legend, the Grinder, which if you're an old gambler, if you, if you love poker, this guy is the definition of a degenerate gambler. He's like a legend from back in the day. He made the final table, which is awesome. And I have a little bet on him. I had another bet on a guy named Tony Greggs, who got knocked out right for the final table. So, yeah, it's. It's been really fun, honestly. I know you're not the biggest poker guy. It's you. Obviously you're writing a book right now. You got other shit going on. Me, I got nothing going on. So I've just been watching 12 hours non stop poker until 4 or 5 in the morning. And yeah, it's, it's crazy. The Grinder man from back in the day, they made it. And a woman made it. First woman make funnel table believe she's Spanish. Margettes, I believe is her name. She's so good so, yeah, really, really great final table. I think it airs tomorrow. So yeah, it's been really fun.
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Chad Millman
I actually, I wanted to go on Saturday. There were two events on Saturday that I wanted to go to and didn't get to. But what's, what's weird about this? You mentioned I'm working on this book and I got there Friday night. I landed at 5 o'. Clock. It was 107 degrees when I got to my hotel and I immediately turned around and I went out to dinner. Speaking of books with Joe Lupo. So old heads of the show who are listening forever will know that Joe Lupo, 25 years ago when I wrote the Odds, was the bookmaker at the Stardust Hotel. He was one of the main characters along with Bob Scoochie, who was worked for Joe and Alan Boston when I wrote the Odds. Joe now is like, you know, one of the most powerful executives in, in Vegas. And he has been charged with building the new Hard Rock Hotel that is going to have the 625 foot guitar in place where the Mirage used to be because they just tore the Mirage down. He went out there, was in charge of the Mirage in, in order to close it down. And now they are building the Hard Rock there. Joe and I went out, Joe and I went to Nobu and we sit down and they're like, hello, Mr. Lupo. Good to see you again, Mr. Lupo. I'm like, this guy, he was just some schmuck sitting in the back office at the Stardust and now he's got a table at Nobu, which makes no sense. But here's what's interesting to me. I've been working on this book for six months, right. It's essentially a sequel to the Odds. Like how has this world changed? How? Obviously, Simon, I'm talking to you. There's a lot of other professional betters I'm talking to. I've made 13 trips. I've been to Philly, Lexington, Kentucky, New Orleans, Chicago, obviously I've been to New York and New Jersey, Boston, Costa Rica. First trip in six months of reporting that I made to Vegas. When I did the Odds, I literally lived in Vegas for six months. Now it's like you don't, you don't really need to even go there. That's how much this world has changed. It's, it's totally, totally wild.
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Simon Hunter
Yeah. And I, I told you that a long time ago. It's not. There's not many people left still in Vegas. A lot of them are above the age of 50 there are some young blood that like Vegas, right? They like that lifestyle. But I would say that was my favorite part of legalization. I've talked to you about this. Like that day it got legalized, I was out the door, car packed, all my left, half my clothes there because I just wanted to get out of Vegas and back to Jersey, start setting up. So, yeah, it's. Some people love the dry heat and they love Vegas. I need to see trees and grass. It's the northeast in me. Like, I can't just be in the desert day in, day out. So. Yeah, I told you. It's. It's different there though. And that's why I love going there because it's like it's a time period and that the guys there are just so old school and so knowledgeable. Anytime I go to Vegas, it's always a great time.
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Chad Millman
I did, I had a nice time. I spent some time with the guys at Circa with, with Derek Stevens, the owner of Circa, and Jeff Benson, who's the bookmaker there. And then I went to summer league. I sat with Daryl Morey from the Sixers. You know who's the president GM of the Sixers? Simon. Great. I watched the whole game with him. It was phenomenal. At the end of the game, they were playing Charlotte and they were down by three and they had a guy in the free throw line with 10 seconds left and he made the first free throw with Daryl. Another scout who he's known forever, who we were sitting with, started having this really interesting conversation about what the positive ev play was. Should he make the free throw, should he miss the free throw? And to hear two NBA professionals sort of talk about what is the right play considering where they were in the game with 10 seconds left, even though it was a summer league game and how they think about was awesome. It was totally awesome. Some of the guys in the Sixers looked all right, Simon. They did. Listen, on our next episode, you and I are going to dig into the fantasy preview with Chris Raybon. And today it's time for our favorite rankings episode of the year. That always gets somebody yelling at me. It's our very official, completely scientific top 10 NFL QBs list and reminder. Unlike the silly lists other experts do, this is primarily based from a betting point of view, at least for you and me. And I'll remind everyone to check out the clips and highlights from the shows that we are doing as we get into football. Go to my YouTube page, Ealchad Millman. As we do every summer, we are going to bring In Rich Rebar, AKA Lord Reeves on X, he's going to give us the gut check on our QB list. He does a brilliant job analyzing the NFL at Sharp Football Analysis. Everyone should go pick up their copy of the Sharp Football Analysis 2025 Preview. Warren Sharp sent me my copy. Simon. I've been digging in. Welcome, Rich.
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Rich Rebar
Yeah. What is going on, guys? I look forward to this every year. It's, you know, funny you're talking about Vegas. I. I have two quick antidotes. One, I'd like to know how much you. You're ready to play. And then I saw that, you know, two, my. My oldest son turns 21 in February. And we've been kind of plotting out that, you know, hey, first week of March Madness, we'll go to Vegas. There, first trip, right? And he's just like, what. What can I do there that I can't already do? Like, it's the same thing kind of laid out. Like, it's just like, oh, man, you don't even know. But like, he's not even excited. Like, not even excited about it. Where, you know, it used to be like such a destination, like it. Such an adult playland. And now he's just like, wow, I could bet. I guess bet at home.
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Chad Millman
God, that is so interesting that he said that.
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Simon Hunter
Yeah, I would have gone right back at him. So you don't know about the Bunny Ranch, clearly.
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Chad Millman
You know. You know, it's so. It's like I. They used to have the cars that drove around on the Strip.
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Simon Hunter
Oh, yeah.
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Chad Millman
With like the billboards.
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Simon Hunter
Yeah. Of different time.
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Chad Millman
The. The escorts that you could call. And then on every corner they had the kiosks that had like, the magazines with all the ads for every escort. And those things would get littered all over the street.
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Simon Hunter
That's what I was gonna say. That's my memory of it. Just after losing all my money, walking to the corner, knowing I don't have any money to get a ride back, so I gotta walk. And I'm out there and I just see it in the streets. All that just shredded up call numbers. Yeah.
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Chad Millman
So what's interesting is there's none of that anymore. And I was walking down Las Vegas Boulevard and, you know, I was going to get an espresso, actually a double macchiato. Simon. At the Eataly, that is at the park, mgm. And there was one little card with like, a woman and her picture and a number and reminded me of one of the times I was in Vegas doing a story about sports betting or something for E60 the producer I was with called one of the numbers on the driving, on the billboards, on one of the things, left a message, but left my cell phone number.
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Simon Hunter
Oh, God.
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Chad Millman
And for like four days after that, I'm getting calls from lovely ladies. Rich, that could be your son. If he needs a number, I can forward it for him.
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Rich Rebar
Yeah, we got to get these kids outside more now, you know, Gotta get them out and experience life a little bit more and try trying to encourage it. But I'm still gonna twist his arm and make him go.
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Chad Millman
That's shameful that he said that. Yeah. I don't even know if he deserves to go anymore. Make him go to New Jersey. He can go to the Meadowlands. No, it's how much fun that is.
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Simon Hunter
It's like one of my old favorite memes. My. My daughters get stressed out about going into Wendy's and ordering food. When I was 15, I was taking my mom's car and driving into Philly. Yeah, like, it's just totally different world where it's like everyone just very, very different than it was back in the day. People aren't. Aren't as crazy. Thank God.
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Chad Millman
Fucking coddled and lazy. Coddled and lazy. Rich, I. Listen, we're going to go through this. Matt Mitchell. We didn't actually talk about an order in advance, so I'm going to go last.
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Simon Hunter
Mine's. Mine's definitely the most. The most back and forth.
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Chad Millman
All right. Why don't. Why don't I go first and then Rich goes next so then we can see, like, how different his than mine and then we can get a pressure check from you. So I'm going to go first. Here was my process. Okay. I looked at the following stats. Just examined how the quarterbacks lined up, ranked in recent memory, recent past, for these stats, which to me are indicative of. They're the most important stats as you analyze a quarterback. I looked at EPA expected points, added EPA per drop back, which for those who don't know that basically just gets rid of a lot of the messiness when you're examining epa. I looked at total sacks, and then I looked at QB pressure rate, which basically tries to identify when quarterbacks are holding the ball too long, making bad decisions, putting themselves in a position to be sacked outside of something being the fault of the offensive line. And then I looked at fourth down conversion. Okay. Then I asked Claude from Anthropic AI to give me a list of the best QBs accounting for the above criteria from 2024 and for seasons 2022 to 2024. Then I compared all my. My. My list that I made to Claude. It was really close. There was a difference of like one or two. And then I did sort of a gut check test on who I don't want or do want to have the ball in any late game betting situation. Okay, so are you red? I got some controversy.
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Simon Hunter
Start at 10. Start at 10.
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Chad Millman
I'm starting at 10. I got it listed in 10. Okay. Number 10, Baker Mayfield. Baker was. Was on the edge of my list the whole time. And then when I did all the stuff, like, he was like, to me, 9, 10, 11. 9, 10, 11. And he was dropping in and out when I just did it off the top of my head, looking at these stats. And then when I did it with AI Baker for 24 and for 20, 22 to 2024, was in the top 10 for both. He was 10th. So that solidified for me.
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Simon Hunter
We're locked in, Chad. We're both Baker. Guys, I got Baker at 10, too.
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Chad Millman
All right. Hey, that was the one I was most worried about. Okay.
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Simon Hunter
I know that. That I'm gonna walk a dive into it. He was. I'm with you. He was a really tough one because, yeah, like, all these quarterbacks, people that don't like them, they can give you good reasons. You can agree with it, but like me, like, I'm agreeing with you, there's a lot of reasons to like Baker and the numbers back it up. And also just watch him play. Anyone who watches him play, you know that. The right offense. Yeah, exactly. So I'm right there with you at 10.
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Chad Millman
All right. Number nine. This is a little controversial, and part of what I'm doing here is I'm projecting what I think is going to happen. I put brock Purdy at 9. Purdy, again, like, he was sort of 10, 11, 12 for me, and I put him at 9 because he deserves to be in there based on the metrics and what I prioritized. But also, he was there when I ran it through AI and I'm thinking about what my expectations are for him in this upcoming season. Okay, number eight, Justin Herbert. I like I'm a little bit off Herbert. He's so good and so talented, and even last year, he was great, and he was in the top 10 for all these things, but he, to me, was sort of on the bubble. Seven, I had Jared Goff. Six, I had Jaden Daniels. Five, I had Jalen Hurts. Four, Joe Burrow. Three, Lamar. Two, Josh Allen. One, Patrick Mahomes. And if you looked at just the stats and took out any sort of betting metrics, any sort of historical precedent when it comes to making gambling decisions. Your 1, 2 or 3 would be burrow, Lamar, Josh, Allen in any combination of those orders, just based on the stats. Mahomes would be four going back to 2022 if you include all those three seasons. But he's earned it and he's still going to be a guy who you never want to bet against. And in fact, this year you might get a little bit of value because of how it went down in the Super Bowl. So that's why Mahomes was number one to me on my outside looking in Stafford 11, Tua 12, CJ Stroud 13 to every single metric. He would be up there because of the offense he plays in. You just don't have any faith with him. You don't have any faith in the Dolphins. But it's hard to ignore him completely. I didn't put him in the top 10, even though statistically he would be in the top 10, probably 7, 8, 9 just because of the betting stuff and because, you know, I have a lot less faith in him than I do and say Baker or even Brock Purdy. So that's it. That's it. Matt Mitchell said he thinks I should be in jail for some of these things. I'm very listen, as they say, feedback is a gift. I'm open to feedback. Rich. Rich, would you like to give me some feedback?
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Rich Rebar
I don't have a ton of, of real pushback, to be honest. You know, my, my list is. Has a lot of overlap to yours. My criteria has always been if we were just reshuffling the NFL and doing like a fantasy draft, these are the orders. I would pick the quarterbacks to win me a Super bowl this year. Like, this is the order that I would take them. And I had a hard time like you, you know, who is the number 10, right? Like, who's the. Are we leaving off? And I had a lot of guys in consideration. Baker was on my list. It was Baker, Goff and Jordan Love and C.J. stroud based on like, kind of the criteria. And I kind of just thought I had, I would have Stroud there based on like the career arc. So he, he slid into my 10. I think that I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he would play in a tougher conference than Baker and Jared Goff and has playoff wins in both of his first two years in the NFL on imperfect teams. I mean, a ton of wide receiver injuries, offensive line play has been a question. I Just think from a talent perspect, even though he took a step back last year, he's still a player in the long run. This is a guy you still want leading your football team. So that's why I kind of just gave him the benefit of the doubt. But you know, Goff and Baker and Love were kind of all in consideration there. And like you, I also have Brock PY9. I think last year solidified like the Brock Pie, like, kind of argument for me. I know that it'll never go away, but you know, last year, because the first two years, Brock P's career, you know, essentially like, oh, how much is this Kyle Shanahan, how much is this all his weaponry? Well, last year the 49ers ran 57 total plays with McAffrey, Auk, Deo Samuel and George KD all on the field together with Brock Pie. Trent Williams missed seven games and Brock Pie, despite all of that, fifth in EPA per drop back, third in yard, surpassed him fourth in success rate. He took the offense and tried to carry it as far as he could, you know, last year. So I think he solidified from a talent perspective. Like he's not Garoo. Like this is a guy that creates out of structure he can create on his own. And that kind of locked him in for me. I have Stafford 8. I just think you just look at Stafford like, you know, the two playoff losses. He has the Rams, a one point loss to Detroit and then last year they have the ball in the 13 yard line in Philly with a shot to win before Jalen Carter wrecks him. So I mean, Stafford still gets the benefit out for me. I have Herbert seven. I've been the three years we've done this, I've been kind of like the lone supporter of Justin Herbert. It feels like I've been the one that's like tried to keep him, you know, in the mix here and been supportive of him. Then I have Jaden Daniels like you. And then I follow this almost the same order. Jane Daniel 6. Jalen Hurts 5. All Jalen Hurts does is win. And I know a lot of people say QB wins aren't a stat. I actually disagree. I think over a big course of time, QB wins. Do tell you a lot. And you, you go back to college, this dude's had what, nine different coordinators in, in, you know, those last, you know, 10 years of playing football, 38 and four is a starter in college only. You know, Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes have a higher win rate in the NFL since he joined since he joined the NFL, he almost would have two Super Bowl MVPs. So I'm not. I still have Jalen Hurts, you know, five. I have Lama find Burrow just for the playoff stuff. Right. Like, I mean, Lamar especially paired with Todd mocking has been absolutely scary. What a scary football player he's been. But again, you know, one conference final still, you know, Burrows 5 and 2 in the playoffs. You know, Lamar's only 3 and 5 in the playoff side. I kind of broke the tie there. And then Alan Mahomes. So, like, we do have a lot of overlap. So I actually don't think that you should be put in jail today.
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Chad Millman
My biggest, my biggest sort of ins and outs, it came down really. I liked Baker at 10. To me, it was really about Purdy, Herbert, Stafford, CJ. Like, I just couldn't figure out who I wanted in those spots. And with, with Stafford, I worry about the age. I feel like he was a little bit off last year. He gets by on moxie and smarts and I still would never want to bet against him. Cj, I probably would have put in before because I think a lot of CJ's issues can be rectified with improved offensive line play. And look, he took a lot of sacks last year and his pressure rate wasn't great. And I think unlike other players whose pressure rate isn't great either, like Lamar or even Patrick Mahomes, they hold the ball for longer because of their ability to maneuver in the pocket. Look downfield, find open players. I think CJ last year was a little bit gun shy and was holding the ball a little bit longer than he should have. Not because he can maneuver, but because the offensive line was so bad, he.
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Rich Rebar
Found himself, it could be worse this year.
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Chad Millman
Right? So that's why I didn't put him in like, because if anything's going to get fixed, it needs to be that. But I don't know that it will be fascinating. All right. I don't feel like such an idiot.
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Rich Rebar
So far, two is the only one that I think as you look at the, the, the. The history of just punching up above weight like, and you guys know this as better, it's like 4 and 16 against playoff teams to like just.
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Chad Millman
Yeah, like, look, Tua2 is one of those guys who's. He's never going to get credit because he's such a stat machine based on the offense. Right. He's not a guy who you're thinking you put him somewhere else and he's going to win. And Goff like Look, Jared Goff, he won with the Rams and then he went to the Lions and he's won with the Lions. And you could say Ben Johnson is brilliant. You can say Sean McVay is brilliant, but he still is executed. And I think he's grown as a quarterback and I think there's a lot of belief in what his skill set is and you've seen what he can do well, and whoever they bring in will be smart enough to figure out how to put him in the right position. So I think there's a difference between like a system Jared Goff and a system Tua.
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Rich Rebar
The difference between golf, though, anyone that ties the two of those is he's never going to give you anything with his legs. Like, if I need, if I need Jared Goff to get himself out of a bad play, like, I have no faith in that happening. Like, you know, athletically. And that's what. That's the one hang up. Like, I need those guys that have the spade that, that can pull themselves out of the heart of darkness.
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Simon Hunter
And when.
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Rich Rebar
Just get me a football play, right? Like you think about Lamar play against the Bengals last year, that touchdown to Isaiah likely like Jared Goff was never coming to anything close to that. Or like, that's the thing about like, you know, Josh Allen just like taking over games and creating these plays just out of thin air on their own. And that's why I think. But Baker has that more than Goff does because Baker has like that Wolverine mentality where he'll almost to a fault. Like, it's like Baker, you can't try to run that, that linebacker over, but he don't care.
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Chad Millman
Here's what I'm loving about Quarterback on Netflix. A Kirk Cousins and his brother and their friends. I don't know if you guys have seen the show, but there's an episode where Kirk Cousins buddies from high school and his brother come to visit and they always try to dress up in some outfit that makes Kirk Cousins laugh. And this year they dressed up as some like 80s dude in, you know, some TikTok video. And then afterwards they were all going to some drive through to get burgers after the game. And in the front seat you got Kirk Cousins and his brother. I think they're singing Cher. And in the backseat, Kirk Cousins kid is yelling, please stop. Please stop. And the brother and Kirk Cousins are just going longer and longer and louder and louder. Love those guys. I don't know if Jared Goff and his wife actually have anything to say to each other. They seem to have the most sort of uninteresting conversations. And Joe Burrow is very cool, but also doesn't seem to have very much to say.
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Simon Hunter
Yeah, I'll say at the top, Kirk Cousins is the whitest person ever. Like, I literally can't watch him. He's so white. It's. It's so. It's uncomfortable. I get why people shit on Kirk Cousins. It's like him going to haircuttery, getting a 15 haircut, the whole thing.
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Chad Millman
See, I think he's so authentically himself. Like he doesn't care sort of how bad he looks.
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Simon Hunter
Of course doesn't care. He's the whitest dude ever. He's like, literally when people talk about white people, that's what they're talking about. He doesn't season his chicken. He is the exact thing he kisses his dog open mouth. He's everything people talk about.
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Chad Millman
You know what? Sneaky. Good singing voice.
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Simon Hunter
I hated Chad's list. You're very nice, Rich. Chad's list was painful to me. Purdy above Stafford. I think you had Purdy above C.J. stroud, who's 2 and 2 in the playoffs. So Chad just broke down to all of you guys. Why you can never just go by the numbers. Having to in this conversation makes me want to rip my hair out. It's.
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Chad Millman
I didn't put to it in the conversation.
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Simon Hunter
I left conversation like I'm with you. Like the from 8 to 12 is pretty tough for me as well. I agree with that part, but I'll get into mine right here. I did a 12 just because of that. Because I just want to show the back end of mine. I do want to make the statement that Rich is right. For the last two years, you guys have both had Herbert in your top 10 and I have consistently had Jalen Hurts over Herbert. And I am looking like a genius compared to YouTube because Herbert just had four picks in the playoffs while Jalen Hurts of course went to Super Bowl. So from the top, Chad, who is the greatest quarterback to ever play this sport?
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Chad Millman
Tom Brady.
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Simon Hunter
Okay. And who's the greatest modern day quarterback playing right now?
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Chad Millman
Patrick Mahomes.
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Simon Hunter
Okay. And why did you. Why do you say that?
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Chad Millman
Because Patrick Mahomes has consistently won.
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Simon Hunter
What?
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Chad Millman
Consistently won what?
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Simon Hunter
Yeah, the Super Bowl. Right.
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Chad Millman
Consistently won the Super Bowl.
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Simon Hunter
So that's. That's all I needed from you. That's what my major point was. My list is based off past performance. Who deserves to be ranked at the top? Right. I'm not talking about the best athlete.
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Chad Millman
You've got a countdown from 10. Don't.
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Simon Hunter
The guy who gets the most stats. Yeah, I just want to say my number 12 was Herbert. So I have Herbert outside my top 10 again. And I was really hard between Herbert and Love at that spot. And then I do have Purdy at 14, so that doesn't matter. So I'm with Chad. I had Baker at 10, at 9.
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Chad Millman
Do you have love at 11?
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Simon Hunter
Golf.
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Chad Millman
Okay.
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Simon Hunter
Yeah. So, like, same thing where Jared. It's the same thing with Stafford. I. I move him up because he doesn't have athleticism. Like, he does not have his legs to fall back on. He is the old school pocket movement. Throwing the ball like that was what we all grew up and love. So it's like I. I had a f. It's like you said, it's tough at these. At these points to fight over, but I had Baker above him, then Daniels. I had to give Daniels respect. Like, it's. It's so hard for me to put a rookie in the spot. I think last year we were all the same thing. We all had CJ at 8 or 9 last year. Same thing with me, with Daniels this year, it's like 80% of fourth down, the whole thing. You could not blitz the kid. We've never seen anything like it. You have to put him in your top 10 if you're making a list. But some people having him at number five, that, to me is just insane. It's like you're banking too much on future, what's gonna happen in the future. So I have him at nine, C.J. at number eight. He had the season from hell, still made the playoffs, and then won a playoff game against a Chargers team that everyone was blowing smoke up their ass, especially heading to that playoffs. You know, that was just such a huge win for me because that team was dead. They were dead. I know they have a great defense. I mean, this upcoming season, they're probably my third highest rated defense coming to the season next year, Houston, like, they have an incredible defense, but that playoff win against the Chargers was on cj. He didn't keep making the mistakes. That Chiefs game was much closer than people remember. Like, they went to Arrowhead, and CJ had them in a really good position. So I have to give a ton of respect to cj. I put him at number eight, Number seven. The man that's left for dead. I can't believe you guys didn't have him on your list. Dak. What did Dak do to you? I don't get what happened with Dak. You know, this Is one year and Dak is dead to everyone.
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Rich Rebar
He almost went, he was horrendous before his hamstring injury last year.
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Simon Hunter
I agree, I agree. But it's like I, I looked the fourth because the first four weeks is so weird now with guys not playing in the preseason. To me, that's the tune up. Like same with Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow did. We thought he was not going to last a week five. I mean, he was so terrible those first four weeks because he just need to get his arm right. And I think the same with Dak, but Dak the hate's just gone too far. And I knew as soon as I put him on this list, I was like, I bet you Chad's gonna leave him off. Chad hates guys coming off injured seasons. And sure enough, here's the thing. Chad did not have Dak.
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Chad Millman
I, I, I, I considered Dak.
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Simon Hunter
I bet you did.
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Chad Millman
And honestly, I know you know, in the coming weeks we're going to do a playoff episode where you and I will predict who we think will make the playoffs from the AFC nfc. And a little foreshadowing here because of Dak and his return. The Cowboys will be an important part of that conversation. Dak was, was like my final four were Herbert Purdy, CJ Baker, Herbert Purdy, CJ and Stafford for like that 9, 8 spot, 11, 12 spot. Baker was always 10. Dak was in there like at the last guy out of that five.
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Simon Hunter
You've left them for dead. And I, I'm with you on Dak, right? Our, our big pushback. We talk all the time is Dak is 2 and 5 in the playoffs. That is a big deal. And it was really hard for me with him and C.J. because C.J. is 2 and 2 to me. That's all that matters. All this other that we've become obsessed with does not matter. Can you win and succeed in the playoffs? Because that's all that matters. Legacy wise, we started from the top. Tom Brady is the goat. Not because he was the greatest offensive genius ever like Peyton Manning. It's because he won the playoffs, something Peyton Manning could not consistently do. And Dak, it feels like a make or break. Like people are already forgetting about him. Like Chad, he just broke it down like it's what have you done for me lately? And I get why that's pushed out on Dak, but I'm, I'm looking at the perspective of last year was a hell of season. Every other year before that, he usually gets you 12 wins. He's very consistent so I'm giving him respect. You know, again, two and five in the playoffs is glaring though. And that brings me up to my next one, which I think is going to shock you. Chad, number six. I got Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow last year really disappointed me in many ways. And I get it. We can, we can make put all of it on his defense, right? Higgins sitting out a bunch of games because he's pissed off about his contract. I agree with a lot of that. But me and you bet on a lot of Joe Burrow games and I was locked in a lot of Joe Burrow games. And we learned early on this dude cannot beat a team. The winning record, his first win against a team of the winning record I believe didn't come until he played Denver or Pittsburgh. Then the season, I think he won two games against teams of winning records and that was Denver and Pittsburgh to end the season like when he played against good teams, he folded that offense fold and a lot of that goes on to Joe Burrow where he beat the out of the Panthers. You want to give him a bad team, bad defense. He did play really well and that's why he had great numbers on the season. But to me he's not done enough since that super bowl run. And you could say a lot of it is, you know, bad injuries, the team's not drafted well, they haven't paid the right guys, terrible defense, offensive line, I agree with a lot of that. But at the same time a lot of it also falls on Joe bro. Like that team should have been a playoff team last season and they didn't make. And he said it so himself, he knows a couple of those games he just blew. I mean that Ravens game too sticks out of my mind that they're up 10, he's got the ball and just stupid turnover. So that was the reason I had Joe Burrow outside my top five.
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Chad Millman
Simon. I am. I have always been on this list. Joe Burrow, heavy to the point where I would put him above Josh Allen just and. Or Patrick Mahomes. I thought I was.
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Simon Hunter
We. We both had him at three last year.
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Chad Millman
I thought I was like pushing it, putting him at four after Lamar and Josh Allen. So you go into six, I think is a very bold move.
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Simon Hunter
Again, it's based off past performances where it's like, I agree going forward. Joe Burrow. Am I going to win Stafford over Joe Burrow?
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Chad Millman
No.
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Simon Hunter
But I have. I have Stafford number five because of what he's done in the past. And you know this. That. That Eagles game, he couldn't get anything going in that snow. He was dead. Anyone else would have folded up, but that veteran moxie is why we love Stafford. You give him inch. He took it like he literally took that Eagles team to the break, which was just so impressive in that whole season. He played through injuries. He willed that team. I think they had another really bad start to the season. They didn't matter. Right. They ended the season, I believe, 8 and 2 or 8 and 3. It's just all about him. And the fact that they brought in Adams as well. I think we have another really great year from this. I believe it's his last year on his contract too, with the Rams. So it's. It just felt like it's all lined up for him. And I, that's why I put him at number five. It's like he's got the ring, he's got the years added up and, you know, it's once again he can't use his legs like these other guys are about to mention. To me, that is such a big deal for a guy like him. So, yeah, Stafford, number five, Number four went with Lamar. You know, Lamar, we love Lamar. People think we're big Lamar haters on the show. We all know Lamar has all the talent in the world. Lamar also gets a lot of excuses that someone who's coming up on my list does not get. Jalen hurts. You give Lamar, Derek Henry a great running back. That should have been enough to put them over the edge in the playoffs, and it was. But he made those mistakes once again. And he is someone that at this point, he's three and five in the playoffs. That is a big deal. Like, this isn't some kid. Now he's going to be 28 years old this upcoming season. That's a big deal. Right? We've. We have the years at this point, he's 3 and 5. Lamar's got a breakthrough because haters like me, I'm just going to keep getting louder because it's been profitable, fading him in the playoffs. Like we pick our spots when he's playing against these not so great teams he can perform when it's Josh Allen, when it's Mahomes, Me and Chad already know if it's under three, we're auto betting that team against him. So that's, that's something Lamar's got to come out of. And that's why I haven't met number four. Because to me, number three, Josh Allen, he deserves to be number three. The highest. Hold on, not crazy quarterback on this list.
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Chad Millman
All right? What's crazy is I'm keeping track of your list here and I'm counting down after Lamar. I had already put in Hertz because I assumed your number one and two was going to be Alan and Mahomes.
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Simon Hunter
No, not yet.
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Chad Millman
You just said to me Josh Allen.
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Simon Hunter
Yeah, because again, it's, it's based off past performance. Hertz has done something that Allen has never done. He's outplayed Mahomes in a game in the playoffs and won straight up. That's all that matters. We, no one's doubting Josh Allen has more talent than Hertz. The kid was a fucking first round pick. Hertz is a second round pick. Like you know that, that stuff, he'll never catch up metric wise, right? The body style is just different. But the mental aspect of it, whatever happens, Josh Allen keeps getting caught by Mahomes. And we can put excuses, right? Blame the coaching staff. The talent's there. They had a top five offensive line last season. He had a running, a running back who rushed for 16 touchdowns. He won MVP. There was no doubt of that offense. Our question was that defense. And the defense gave him a 10 point lead with the ball in the fourth quarter. And he didn't live up to it in that moment against Mahomes and he faltered. And it keeps happening and we keep making excuses. Now we're in year 20, he's 29 years old. So to me he's another guy that just needs to step up in the playoffs. And that's why I have him below Hertz, because Hertz, Hertz went over that hump where Josh Allen, you can't say he doesn't have the talent. He has the talent around him. It's all on him at this point. So yeah, I put Josh on number three. Chad already said number two. Jalen hurts and I want to do A little exercise here with Chad. Chad, close your eyes. You haven't won a playoff game since 2010. Your Bears have been terrible. You draft the quarterbacks and I tell you by age 26, he's going to win the NFC twice, he's going to go to two Super Bowls, he's going to be runner up MVP. He's going to be an All Pro. He will win a Super bowl in his 26 year old season and be super MVP. Is that your guy? Is that the guy you want that takes down Mahomes? Is that your number two quarterback?
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Chad Millman
100%. I see that and I want him on my team so badly.
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Simon Hunter
It's rare air. So I just want to tell you, these quarterbacks to reach two Super Bowls in their first five seasons, Tom Brady, John Elway, Patrick Mahomes, Ben Roethlisberger, Kurt Warner, that's a pretty good list to be on.
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Chad Millman
That's a Hall of Fame list, right?
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Simon Hunter
And like Rich said, all he does is win. I agree with everyone. Me and Chad, we have stats. You don't think I have a computer? I can see his numbers. People like, I got so much hate, I changed my bio on Twitter to QBs or a Q. Wins are a QB stat because I agree with it where it's, we went too far the other way where it's like QB's do. QBs do matter to wins. To me it's, it went too far the other way where it's like, well, not all wins are blamed the quarterback.
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Chad Millman
Agree.
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Simon Hunter
But these teams have so much talent. The Ravens for three years in a row have a higher grade in almost anyone's, you know, betting algorithm than the Eagles or the Chiefs. Both those teams, I mean, the Ravens keep faltering. So that's my thing with Hertz. It's just, it's too much gone the other way where I agree with people, like there's certain things he does or I'm just like, I don't trust it. He's not in rhythm, things like that. But in the biggest games, the biggest moments, the things that matter, the only thing we really care about at the end of the day, which is playoff wins and super bowl wins, he's, he's exceeded expectations to the highest level. Like again, 26 years old, two Super Bowls, Super Bowl MVP. I just think the hate's gone too far one way and I'm happy to see a lot of people now have him back inside their top 10 quarterbacks. To me, in this list, him being number two, it's just because of what he's done past performance and going forward, I think he's going to keep getting better. Like his ceiling. I don't think he's reaching yet. And we all can agree he obviously took a step back and let it be Saquon's team. But you didn't hear too many people saying Chad. Well, you know, Saquon's only good because that offensive line, that never really happened, right? It was just, oh, this offensive line helps exceed go higher than you could ever go before because of the talent level. So that's my view on Hertz. People said he wouldn't be able to run the ball. Sneak, QB sneak. Once Kelsey left didn't matter because why it's about hurts. It's not about the center, it's about the guy who's short, can deadlift 500 pounds and he's a freak athlete. So that's my long winded defense on why I have a number two. Do I have a rebuttal? Rich, I know you're cooking up something.
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Rich Rebar
No, I mean like I said, I just, I think when you get up into that area, like I don't really have a lot of pushback. I think with the top five, I think the back five is where we probably have our most disagreements. And then, you know, the top five, whatever order you want to put them in. I think Hertz definitely belongs in that conversation for all the reasons he said. If you look at last year, he only had 79 drop backs last year with AJ Brown, Devonte Smith and Dallas Goddard on the field, like those guys were in and out of the lineup the entire season and they still were in position to be, you know, the one seed and still in position to go to the Super Bowl. And so like I, I think that Hertz gets kind of a bad flack because I think it's, he's propped up but they say like his environment, like he's just a, you know, going along for the ride, right? Like he's a bus driver. But that really wasn't the case last year, especially even in the playoffs because sa, I mean they win that game. Obviously the, the defense has a big part deal to do with like the way that score got out of hand after the Dijon interception. But Saquon did nothing in that Super Bowl. Absolutely nothing. Spag said they're going to take away one guy and who's the one guy they took away? Saquon and her hurts, you know, put them in position to have that lead. They had the ball, you know, he threw the interception at the 2. And then that was what the pick 6 came right after that. And then kind of just that game was never in the same kind of, you know, stratosphere of like being a competitive game again. But you go back three years ago, he was the best player on the field in that super bowl too, you know, and just camp short, but he was by far the best player in that game. So he could have two Super Bowl MVPs, you know, at this point.
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Simon Hunter
And that's what I'm so impressed with, Chad. The moment's never too big. I always go back to that Georgia, Alabama game where he sat the whole season behind Tua. Yeah, Tua gets hurt. He comes in, I believe they're down a touchdown. And he beats Georgia by a touchdown. Like, came in not playing the whole season in the SEC championship game. And that to me speaks to the character of him. And it's another season that he's a different oc. So will we see a year from two years ago where he fell apart? Right? The year from hell at the end of the season, they lost seven in a row. Or will he. Him this new OC gel like he did this past year? So it's. It's a big deal. And obviously number one, Chad. No doubt about it. Mahomes. I mean, how. How can you not have Mahomes? He almost got the 3P. We've never seen anything like it. Like, you look at his stats, you know, we're. We're early. You can say we're early days here. But if you look at his stats against Tom Brady's other gray ones, he has had the better start to his career than anybody else between MVPs, everything like that. And he is being slept on once again because of the numbers, like we all do in the off season. We dig into the numbers. Mahomes. Every year his numbers have gone down and it's, you know, people are going to question it. They're going to throw different things about that, but I just think it's. He just knows he just has to make it to January. Don't put himself in these bad scenarios. No need to hang on the ball too long and take these unnecessary hits. Quick throws. It's a, It's a. Mainly a running team now. And yeah, they're. They're a team. I'm really excited to dive into this open season, Chad, because everything I've heard, it's just kind of been negative towards this Chiefs team. And you can get them right now, 10 to 1 Super bowl odds. So it's it's an interesting year heading into the season. I'm glad all three of us are on the same page. Mahomes number one.
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Chad Millman
You rich. You think they're going to open it up? Tell me.
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Rich Rebar
I think when you look at the signal of what they wanted to intend to do last year versus what they had to do based on injuries it. I don't think that was the plan. Right. Like the the plan if you watch them the first month of the season. Well, first Hollywood gets hurt in the preseason and the plan was never to run this passing game through a 35 year old Travis Kelsey. You know, Rashid Rice goes down in week four, Pacheco goes down in week three and like the offense kind of just defaults back to. They have to funnel things through this, you know, version of Kelsey that is the lesser version of Kelsey. You know, he's still a great player but like definitely when you look at Kelsey, everyone listen fire time comes for everyone. He's gonna be 36 this year. This year. Now everyone is is healthy coming in. You've got Pacheco a full year removed from that. The fibul injury. Hollywood's on track to play. Rasheed Rice is already, you know, on on track to play. He was already participating in OTAs. You get a second year Xavier Worthy. I think this team is going to run a lot more 11 personnel. The offensive line is kind of the, the one big question mark. Obviously you gamble, you know, you want a player that's coming off a significant injury in the first round at left tackle. But I mean that's what fell apart last year. It was disappointing to see an Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes led team really kind of crater in on itself last year in the super bowl based on something that kind of. We knew objectively coming into that game was something that could happen in an outcome and then to not have a counter punch dialed up where just the four man Eagles pass rush was absolutely obliterating in them and they had no quick game. But that goes to Testament too. They had no run game either. Like you know, they're running their offense. Kareem Hunt's out here leading the backfield. Like I think this Chiefs team is, you know, obviously I don't know. Think we're going to go back to the peak Tyreek Hill peak Travis Kelsey version of the Chiefs where they're throwing the ball down the field again. But I do think that what they wanted to do last year, they never had a chance to do it because the injuries they had early in the Year Salmon.
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Chad Millman
I think the biggest difference is between me, you and Rich. No Herbert for you, Dak for you. Rich, can you. You explain? I gave a little bit of an explanation about why I didn't have Dak on my list. What are your thoughts on not including Deck?
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Rich Rebar
Yeah, I think that, you know, Dak just the. The historical, you know, punching up in big games, him coming off of a significant injury, whereas, you know, his hamstring was basically detached. You know, gonna be 32. The rushing component was already dwindling from his game already, so I just kind of, you know, froze him out. He's definitely a guy that I don't think is like. I wouldn't put him like in the bottom dwelling of QBs, but, you know, the. Based on like the way my was, I think that, you know, he still falls behind those other players. And then I think definitely when you factor in like team context too, it's. It's hard to kind of, I think, get behind the. Where the Cowboys have kind of headed right now. The offensive line is worse on paper.
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Chad Millman
The.
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Rich Rebar
They do add George Pickens with the backfield looks like a mess right now. Secondary looks like a mess. I mean, I'm curious. Yeah. Because you. You seem like you're a supporter of the Cowboys too. They also have one of the worst schedules in the league this year. Like, they're. They're a team that terrifies me. I. And especially Brian they hire, brought and shot Schottenheimer head coach. Like we're doing this. Like, this is what we're doing. Cowboys. Like this is this. Like, I.
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Chad Millman
It's just the reason why I do like. I do like the Cowboys a little bit. And we're going to talk about this in a couple weeks, but especially in.
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Rich Rebar
That division, you know, commanders, Eagles.
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Chad Millman
I feel like the Cowboys defense could have been so much better than it was last year. And offense, you know, because they had so many injuries, they were. They were down to basically nobody on either side of the ball of any skill or repute. But not having Micah Parsons the way they did, losing defensive lineman, interior, defensive linemen at a rate that was similar to what was happening with the Lions on their defensive side of the ball. So I think that's a little bit underplayed. And there's so much made about what a horrible decision it was to hire Brian Schottenheimer and just sort of the way the Cowboys have generally been mismanaged as an organization and a roster. But to Simon's credit, I might be overlooking Dax ability to influence and paper over some holes. But to me, it's really about the improved defensive line for the Cowboys and their ability to disrupt that I think people are overlooking right now.
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Simon Hunter
Yeah, I feel like they had an easy fix. Right. They need to stop the run and run the ball. That was their two biggest weaknesses. No doubt. No doubt about it. Last season, they could not stop the run. Had the worst running offense in football, so we'll see if they address that. But, yeah, the fact that, you know, they keep drafting young studs on the offensive line. Dak now has a great number two option. Like, it feels like. I know they have a tough, tough schedule, but it is lined up from this season where, you know, they should have a really good offense and a good defense. So they're a team that Chad knows I've been talking about for about four months now, is just an undervalued team that's going to be slept on because you just. You're in a division with a team that won the super bowl and arguably the best rookie quarterback we've ever seen. So it just lines up as a better. Just an undervalued team that people just. It's not fun to bet Dallas right now. And it's been a run of the public's like, backing them and their fans have backed them. Even their fans are like, like, I don't know about this team. So, yeah, I'm excited to see what kind of. What kind of season they have because, like, we just talked about. Dak, it's getting a little late here, brother. Two and five playoffs, like, yeah. Making moves at this point. So. Yeah, I'm with you, Chad. It's a big year for Dallas.
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Chad Millman
Simon, you and I. The big difference is you have cj, Dak and Stafford. I did not include those guys. In their place. I had Herbert, Purdy and who else did I have there? And Goff that you did not include. So those are our biggest differences. You, Herbert and Goff, for you were on the outside and Purdy was on the outside. So. Interesting. Very interesting.
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Simon Hunter
And I will give credit to Herbert if he can, I mean, muster it together somehow win that division. That would change a lot of my views on him because that's just been the Achilles heel for them. They can't win the division. They're in a wild card game. He goes on the road in the playoffs and he just gets his ass kicked. Like, that just keeps happening. So hopefully, Herbert, I know our guy, our uncle Colin is all in on the Charger this season. I am. I am totally. Other way. You're getting minus 110 of the Chiefs in that division running to the window to bet that one. So the books, the public, everyone is in on this Chargers, this Chargers team in Denver. So, yeah, Herbert, I'm with you guys. Like, no one's denying the talent level. We all see the talent. It's just, can you finally step up in the biggest game, just get a playoff win? Herbert, let me just say a one next to that, too, because it's just brutal seeing that he's just so bad in the playoffs. We know the talent's there.
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Chad Millman
Matt Mitchell, can you tell us in the chat which decision I made that you felt I should have been arrested for? Was it Brock Purdy? Oh, Purdy above Stafford. Purdy above Stafford is what he didn't like. Stafford, to me, was the hardest choice to leave out. You know, like, we have been all in on Stafford, and I would normally put Stafford six or five. And I just feel like going forward, this is, you know, an opportunity for Purdy to vault over. He's also, you know, Matt Mitchell is also criticizing my love for tua. To be clear, I was making a devil's advocate argument for tua. I wasn't saying he should be on the list. I was actually making the same.
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Simon Hunter
Sounded like you had him at number 12, Chad. I'm not gonna.
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Chad Millman
I was making the point Simon made, which is that that if you just go by the numbers, you would put two in there. But we don't just go by the numbers. We go by more than just the numbers. And there's a difference, a nuanced difference, between looking at the numbers and saying, okay, this is what it is. Rich, back me up here as one of the brightest minds covering football, or just saying, hey, there's a lot of things that come into play here.
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Rich Rebar
Well, I think that was the kind of the case for Purdy and tua. Right? When you compare the two, you know, how much was. Was it this. This player, this quarterback versus kind of the system. And we saw some things kind of fall apart in Miami last year. And, you know, TUA didn't play as good a football, whereas everything fell apart for the 49ers. And Brock Purdy still played really good football. That's why I think it solidifies especially the loss of Christian McCaffrey. I mean, you look at last year, only 49 of Purdy's drop backs last year came with the middle of the field close. You know, your single high safeties, right, because they didn't have to respect the run the first two years of his career, 59.9 sixty and a half percent because teams had to respect Christian McCaffrey. Because McCaffrey was on the field, teams were like, all right, Brock Purdy beat us. And you know what he did on throws 10 yards or further downfield led the league in completion rate over 10, higher than the league average. Like this. Again, all these wide receivers were hurt. I think Purdy kind of solidified that. Like he's not just a product of Kyle Shanahan. I think that last year he answered those questions. That's why when you compare the two, I think that Purdy gets the definite edge over two of.
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Chad Millman
I wasn't even considering tua. I feel like this is becoming his.
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Simon Hunter
Name on a TV show. You deserve to be bashed.
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Rich Rebar
You're the TUA guy. Now that's it's happened.
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Chad Millman
I love Tua. I don't have to tell you. I just think he's fantastic. Rich Rebar at Lord Reebs on Twitter. Find your analysis at sharp football analysis.com it is outstanding. Rich has two great stories up right now. One his consistent positional tiers, which are great, especially relevant for fantasy, but also a breakdown of some of the trends we saw last year specifically related to kickoff returns and how that impacted scoring. It was a very high scoring year with a lot of records broken and how we might be able to glean something new for this year from what happened last year. Rich, thanks for coming on the show. The favorites will return with our next episode Tuesday on the Action Network YouTube page with special guests Chris Raybon and Sean Kerner. Download us from Spotify Apple Pods wherever you get your pods. Rate Review Subscribe Leave us. 5 stars. Say whatever you want. Feedback is a gift. Until next time. Love you.
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