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THE HERD - Hour 1 - Baker Mayfield's Perfect Fit, Jim Harbaugh Completes the Transformation

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

Tue Sep 16 2025

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Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd

Episode: Hour 1 – Baker Mayfield's Perfect Fit, Jim Harbaugh Completes the Transformation
Date: September 16, 2025
Host: Colin Cowherd (with Jason McIntyre)
Podcast by: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume

Episode Overview

In this episode, Colin Cowherd and Jason McIntyre explore the importance of "fit" in sports through deep dives into Baker Mayfield's resurgence with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Jim Harbaugh’s transformative effect on the Los Angeles Chargers. They break down quarterback-coach relationships, team culture, and recent performances across the NFL and touch on key storylines including A.J. Brown’s frustration in Philadelphia and quarterback questions for teams like the Bears and Raiders. The tone throughout is candid, insightful, and occasionally humorous.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Baker Mayfield and the Power of 'Fit'

[03:36] – [08:14]

Colin Cowherd outlines how Baker Mayfield’s time in Cleveland was characterized by too many egos in leadership and a volatile environment:

“Baker Mayfield in Cleveland was the spark. Even the media in Cleveland has a chip on their shoulder for years and years of losing... It just felt like it needed a fire extinguisher every 15 minutes for a press conference in Cleveland with Baker.” (Colin, 04:09)
Contrast with Tampa Bay, where the organizational structure is calm, supportive, and pressure-free:

“Tampa is a perfect fit for Baker. It’s always been a little sleepy... They’ve always had talent, but they could never get the quarterback right. And they go Brady to Baker and it’s a perfect fit.” (Colin, 05:44)
Baker’s performance since joining Tampa: Most passing touchdowns since his arrival, top 5-6 in other metrics, a sense of confidence and belonging.
Mayfield’s quote on his maturity and fit:

“It’s good to see that we haven’t even played close to our best ball in all three phases and we’re still finding ways to win on the road.” (Baker Mayfield, 07:55)
Colin reiterates:

“Baker Mayfield finally found the perfect fit... This is his team, his town, his city, his locker room, his division. It feels perfect.” (Colin, 06:29)

2. Jim Harbaugh Transforms the Chargers

[08:14] – [13:25]

The Chargers’ drastic shift from the NFL’s worst defense 20 games ago to now leading the league:

“Here comes Harbaugh and defensive coordinator Jesse Minter. Twenty games later, a few tweaks. It is the stickiest secondary in the league. It’s the number one rated defense in the league.” (Colin, 08:32)
Harbaugh’s teams have a clear identity: big, strong, physical, and low on ego.
Quarterback Justin Herbert’s quiet demeanor is a "perfect fit" for Harbaugh:

“Herbert’s very secure in who he is. And listen, the offense, it still feels like they’re probably a receiver shy... but as Harbaugh said after the win over the Raiders, it is all about this defense, defense.” (Colin, 10:42)
On defense and culture:

“When you lead the NFL the last 20 games in defense, a lot of that is culture and coaching.” (Colin, 13:23)

3. A.J. Brown and the Problem with Philly's Offense

[19:33] – [22:45]

Colin defends A.J. Brown's mounting frustration as a star displaced in the Eagles’ run-centric system (after being underutilized with Tennessee, too):

“He’s a heated seat in Phoenix or an Olympic-sized backyard pool in Anchorage... he’s not needed for Philadelphia and they need another corner...” (Colin, 21:19)
Brown’s statistics: 6 catches for 35 yards so far this season.
Colin’s perspective on why star players in football should be allowed the same career mobility as, for instance, NBA stars or top attorneys:

“In football, everybody get in line, everybody be a team guy. Like, Philadelphia, he’s a luxury for somebody that doesn’t need him.” (Colin, 20:58)
Brown’s own words:

“The goal is to win the game... But, you know, our job is to continue to try to find a way to win.” (A.J. Brown, 22:31)

4. Chicago Bears and the Rookie QB Dilemma

[23:47] – [27:47]

The Bears are winless (0-2); rookie Caleb Williams is showing mixed results.
Detroit’s offensive coordinator Ben Johnson on Williams’ growth:

“I did see significant growth. It’s not perfect yet. There’s still a number of plays where our eyes aren’t quite in the right position...” (Ben Johnson, 24:11)
Colin doubts the improvement:

“Game one and game two were the same. Great opening drive, too much freelancing after that and it looked disoriented.” (Colin, 24:37)
Gambling discussion: Why are the Bears favored over Dallas? It's their season on the line, Cowboys might be fatigued, and Vegas lines may reflect this.

5. Baltimore Ravens: Steady with a ‘Good Problem’

[27:49] – [29:36]

Ravens dominated the Browns, but top weapons haven’t been heavily involved.
Coach John Harbaugh:

“That’s kind of a blessing, you know, but it’s also a dilemma... hopefully it’s the kind of dilemma that puts a lot of points on the board.” (John Harbaugh, 28:10)
Colin makes a baseball analogy: The Ravens are like the 90s Braves—reliably strong but not always postseason favorites.
Still, questions persist about Lamar Jackson’s playoff ceiling.

6. Vikings QB Injury & Rookie Woes

[29:36] – [34:15]

J.J. McCarthy suffers a serious injury; Carson Wentz steps in.
Ongoing debate: Are some players just injury-prone, or do they not protect themselves?
McCarthy has looked overwhelmed in prime-time starts, sparking discussion about readiness versus circumstance.
McIntyre defends Caleb Williams as more "lost than overwhelmed" due to system fit.

7. Raiders’ Quarterback Issues: Geno Smith and Missed Opportunities

[34:25] – [37:33]

Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly may be “trapped” with Geno Smith, not their first or second choice for QB.
Geno’s aggressive downfield throws are problematic when sped up; he leads the league in interceptions since 2022.
Pete Carroll expresses frustration:

"We were impatient with the throwing game and that's why the ball went down the field so far. And I don't think we needed to do that… The picks are a big issue, but that's not my concern. My concern is why we didn't get the ball thrown and caught underneath.” (Pete Carroll, 37:11)

8. LA Football vs. New York Football: A Tale of Two Cities

[42:55] – [47:41]

Colin compares LA’s burgeoning football culture favorably to New York’s struggles, crediting executive leadership and coaching (McVay and Harbaugh):

“I’m going to argue that Harbaugh and McVay... are the two best culture creators in football, LA football right now.” (Colin, 42:59)
LA franchises have stability, great ownership, top GMs, and star QB/coach pairings, while NY teams are 0-4 and struggling.

9. Chiefs at 0-2: No Panic

[47:41] – [48:08]

Despite the record, Kansas City is predicted to rebound as key receivers return and the schedule gets easier.
Andy Reid’s reassurance:

“I trust this group. I mean, this group's a good group. Got good leadership, and they'll stay together... Like I said, this game here was more on the offensive side. We've got to take care of that.” (Andy Reid, 47:41)
Colin: “The Chiefs are going to make the playoffs.”

10. Quick Betting and Schedule Previews

[48:54] – [51:36]

Jason and Colin preview Week 3, debate specific lines, and identify possible upsets and “trap” games.
Jason: “If you get humiliated in the NFL and you have good personnel... you just got humiliated. Almost always, you play well the following week.” (50:20)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

“Tampa is a perfect fit for Baker… The media in Tampa, they've got Super Bowls. They're not bitter, they're supportive and there's no pressure.”
– Colin Cowherd, 05:44
“All Harbaugh teams look the same. Big, strong, physical…They just squeeze you.”
– Colin Cowherd, 09:28
“When you lead the NFL the last 20 games in defense, a lot of that is culture and coaching.”
– Colin Cowherd, 13:23
“He's a heated seat in Phoenix or an Olympic-sized backyard pool in Anchorage… he’s not needed for Philadelphia.”
– Colin Cowherd on A.J. Brown, 21:19
"There's an argument they are the two best culture creators in football, LA football right now."
– Colin Cowherd on McVay and Harbaugh, 42:59
“I trust this group. I mean, this group’s a good group. Got good leadership, and they'll stay together.”
– Andy Reid, 47:41

Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Topic | |---------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:36–08:14 | Baker Mayfield's fit in Tampa and leadership journey | | 08:14–13:25 | Jim Harbaugh’s impact on the Chargers, defensive turnaround | | 19:33–22:45 | A.J. Brown’s frustration in Philly | | 23:47–27:47 | Chicago Bears, rookie QB struggles, oddsmaker analysis | | 27:49–29:36 | Ravens’ offense, Harbaugh’s “good problem” | | 29:36–34:15 | Vikings QB injuries, the rookie learning curve, system fit for Caleb Williams| | 34:25–37:33 | Raiders’ quarterback situation, Geno Smith’s ceiling | | 42:55–47:41 | LA football culture vs. New York, importance of team leadership | | 47:41–48:08 | Chiefs’ slow start, Andy Reid’s confidence | | 48:54–51:36 | Week 3 schedule preview, betting strategies |

Conclusion

This episode is a masterclass in connecting individual player stories to broader themes of fit, culture, and leadership in the NFL. Colin and Jason break down not just results, but the underlying dynamics shaping team success, with a conversational, relatable tone ideal for both casual and hardcore fans. The analysis of Mayfield and Harbaugh anchors the hour, while side topics like AJ Brown’s usage and the LA/NY football dichotomy provide depth and context to the NFL’s current landscape.

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We've talked about this with the Bears. Fit, coach, quarterback, and Baker Mayfield is a great illustration of what fit means. So think about Baker Mayfield gets drafted, goes to Cleveland, chip on his shoulder out of Oklahoma, little bit of an attitude. And then he deals with Hugh Jackson and his ego and Greg Williams and his ego. And. And he's got John Dorsey, the former player, the gm, his ego and the impulsive owner. Boy, it was a tinderbox. And Baker Mayfield in Cleveland was the spark. Even the media in Cleveland has a chip on their shoulder for years and years of losing. Then it wasn't until Kevin Stefanski showed up in Cleveland. Ivy League, cerebral, understated. Baker goes 11 and 5, gets into the playoffs, wins a game. But everything just didn't feel right. There too many fires started by Baker and those guys. Just Andrew Barry, Stefanski said. We're going to start over. Easy to say now, but then at the time it was just, it was just too much sparks and and you felt like it needed a fire extinguisher every 15 minutes for a press conference in Cleveland with Baker. Then he grows up, he bounces around. He ends up in Tampa, no ego with head coach Todd Bowles, Even Keel gm, Great one Jason Light, the Owners stay out of the business. The media in Tampa, they've got Super Bowls. They're not bitter, they're supportive and there's no pressure. And in sleepy Tampa, Baker Mayfield, the last two weeks, first of all, he leads the NFL in passing touchdowns since he got to Tampa, game winning drives. Last two weeks, he's been great. He doesn't have to battle the media. He doesn't have to battle Hugh Jackson or Greg Williams to win the room. He doesn't have to remake an organization. Tampa's always had players. They just could never get the quarterback right. Even his top receiver, Mike Evans. Mecca Buka, no ego, easygoing guys. Remember OBJ in Cleveland, the dad gets involved, they're releasing stuff to the media. It just didn't work. So Tampa is a perfect fit for Baker. It's always been a little sleepy. I worked there years ago. E Bar City, fun town. But you know, Miami gets all the glare down south and Atlanta up north and Tampa just sits there and you know, it's got a older fan base and very loyal and they kind of under the radar and they've been dominating this division. They've always had talent, but they could never get the quarterback right. And they go Brady to Baker and it's a perfect fit. You know, it's. Again, nobody in Tampa's got a chip on their shoulder. In Cleveland, the gm, the owner, the interim coach, the media, everybody had a chip on their shoulder. So it doesn't matter if it's sports or business or relationships. It's all about fit. And since he arrived in Tampa, he's got the most passing touchdowns. He's top five or six in everything else. That inner turmoil, it's gone. He's got a certain quiet resolve and confidence and peace about him. It is perfect. Remember when he signed there? It was a one year prove it deal. That feels like a decade ago. This is his team, his town, his city, his locker room, his division. It feels perfect. And this is what we say about Chicago to the coach and the quarterback personality scheme fit in Tampa. Todd Bowles, quiet, understated, no ego. He lets. He's had a couple different coordinators. They're all working. The GM is one of the best in the sport. The personnel is good, the owners stay away. The media supportive. They didn't even play that well the first two weeks and they're 2 0. Here's Baker. It's good to see that we haven't even played close to our best ball in all three phases and we're still finding ways to win on the road.

Jason McIntyre (8:14)

By the way, look at him. Handsome. He's happy, he's in great shape. If you can go on the road in the NFL, get a punt block, give up a huge return, not play particularly well, but you have a goal line stand, you get Baker the ball. With a couple minutes left, they're going to win this division again. And Baker's the reason why. Baker Mayfield finally found the perfect fit. Even when he got hurt here, when he got banged up his ankle, I didn't stay down too long. He wanted to get out and get chatty. That's Baker and I'm here for it now. At least in Tampa I am. Okay, how about the Chargers beating the Raiders? So 20 games ago, it's hard to believe 20 games ago the Chargers were a mess. They had the 32nd ranked defense in the NFL. Here comes Harbaugh and defensive coordinator Jesse Minter. Twenty games later, a few tweaks. It is the stickiest secondary in the league. It's the number one rated defense in the league. And once again, all Harbaugh teams look the same. Big, strong, physical. I mean, Geno Smith isn't Great, but over 10 on balls downfield and three picks. Gino's better than that. In two weeks against the Chiefs and the Raiders, opposing quarterbacks have a 61 passer rating, best in the league. I don't know if they'll be able to keep Jesse Minner. The defensive coordinator. Justin Herbert feels like a perfect fit. Take out the playoff game in the regular season, the 19 games he's played with hardball, three picks. So they're a little bit like Philadelphia. They've got their star quarterback, they've got their offensive coach. Joe Alt has not surrendered a sack or even a pressure. They're just a big, massive, physical team. Kind of the opposite of Miami. Miami hired an offensive coach. It's all flash, no steak. This is all substance, tough and physical. I mean, Keenan Allen, 33 years old, still delivering on third down. So they just squeeze you. Herbert doesn't make any big mistakes. He'll make one or two huge throws. They are the opposite of the team that Jim Harbaugh took over. Powerful Predictable, physical. And it's why Justin hurt, by the way. Small town Oregon kid, you don't get any ego. He just wants to win. He lives in LA and hides. We don't see him anywhere. He's super quiet and it's just perfect for Harbaugh. Like Harbaugh would. He would struggle with a quarterback that needed constant attention or needed validation. Herbert's very secure in who he is. And listen, the offense, it still feels like they're probably a receiver Shy Lad McConkey's there 1. Quentin Johnson's Their big play receiver. It feels like Keenan Allen's been the most valuable. Could they use another receiver? We don't know if a Mario Hampton, Najee Harris. It's good. It hasn't been spectacular, but as Harbaugh said after the win over the Raiders, it is all about this defense, defense.

Jason McIntyre (19:33)

You know, I was thinking about this with AJ Brown of the Philadelphia Eagles, who's unhappy, but let me defend the star wide receiver. Now, there's a lot of receivers I will not defend. It's an ego position. But if you were an attorney, and you were a great young attorney, you're a hot shot, came out of the Ivy League. You go to a law firm and you just can't. They don't give you any of the good cases. And after about two or three years, you're like, listen, man, I got, I think I got other places where I can be potentially a partner and a star. We would totally understand if you took your career elsewhere. When Jalen Brunson was with the Mavericks and couldn't get the ball in his hands because of Luka, he went to the Knicks. And we all understood AJ Brown, I would have no problem if he asked for a trade. Philadelphia is run first, run Second and tight end friendly. I mean they, they, they. Since the beginning of last year no team has thrown fewer passes and when they do, Devontae Smith on the other side is also great. So this year he's got six catches for 35 yards and to double down on that. This is a guy that's not only playing in the most run centric offense in the league for the last year. He came from Tennessee who previously to the Eagles was the most run centric offense with Derrick Henry. So this is, he's like an NBA player that he's a star and he can't get shots. We would be okay. Jalen Brunson, he needs to go to New York, he needs to run the show and we're okay with that. But in football, everybody get in line, everybody be a team guy like Philadelphia, he's a luxury for somebody that doesn't need him. I mean he's a heated seats in Phoenix or an Olympic sized backyard pool in Anchorage. I mean it's just like he's not needed for Philadelphia and they need another corner to be on the other side of Mitchell. So I mean like Philadelphia is not a perfect team. And by the way, even when Jalen Hurts does throw down the field this morning, you know this grind run first team, Jalen Hurts is like 2 for 8 passing 10 plus yards downfield. They don't throw it downfield well and they don't throw it downfield much. And so I totally get him. It's, it's not like, it's not like this Tyreek Hill situation in Miami. They threw the ball to a day. He was the number one part of the offense. They didn't have a great O line in Miami. They didn't have a great run game. Philadelphia has got the best run game arguably in a decade and they have a quarterback that is not a deep ball thrower. He's not necessarily your traditional quarterback. Their number one offensive play is a tush push. All right. It's not a deep ball. So I get it. And AJ and AJ's been a good guy, he's trying to be a nice guy but I'm going to defend him. We would understand in the NBA if a guy just didn't get shots and he was a great player. A.J. brown, I mean he's in a short list with Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase Amaran St. Brown, he is on a short list of great receivers in this league. So he's talking about. Here he is on the Eagles kind of sluggish offensive start.

Jason McIntyre (34:25)

The herd lie news. We got herd hierarchy top of next hour. I'm sitting there. I don't know. I, you know, I think Kansas City's going to be fine. I don't have him in the herd hierarchy. I had them number 11. I've got Denver 12. So, you know, I was sitting there watching Gino Smith. The Raiders thing is interesting. So Pete Carroll gets the job with Chip Kelly and they know Justin Herbert's done division. Bo Nix and Sean Payton, Mahomes and Andy Reid. So the Raiders know we got to get the quarterback right? So they went. I think Geno Smith and Pete Carroll are a weird pairing. Pete hates interceptions and Geno is careless. He always has been. If you speed him up last night, three picks. So they wanted Matt Stafford. They offered him 100 million. Stafford said no, I'm going to stay with the Rams for less. And then I think they kind of wanted Sam Darnold. But Tom Brady, part owner of the Raiders, said no on Sam Darnold. So I think it was a marriage of convenience. Chip Kelly was very familiar with Geno Smith. Pete Carroll was familiar with Geno Smith, but I don't think he was their first or second choice. So, you know, Tom Brady's like, reportedly it was out there no to Darnold and, and they. Matt Stafford considered it probably for about a day and he said no. So Gino, since 2022, leads the NFL in interceptions. And Darnold's younger, he's more athletic. He's closer to his prime. And I think Sam Darnold was coming off an amazing year. Between Shanahan's mentoring and Kevin o' Connell's coaching, Darnold was going to come to Vegas with a lot of confidence. But I, when I watched it last night, I mean, already this year, Gino's got. Doesn't have really a number one receiver. Jacoby Myers is a two. Brock Bauer is a great tight end. They should probably give the ball more to Ash than Genty. They really should. But in the end, he's already third in the NFL right now in aggressive throws. So that's Geno. If you speed Geno up, he makes some bad decisions and in New York, he was a disaster. In Seattle, it was reclamation and a great story, but a great story doesn't mean a great quarterback. So I think Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly are a little trapped here. They wanted Stafford. I think privately they'd never admit it. They probably thought Darnold, you know, younger, in his prime, with some career momentum. But, you know, this is what they've got, the fourth best quarterback in the division again, Chip Kelly knew him from Ohio State. Apparently they had a relationship. He recruited him. Pete Carroll had him in Seattle. They like him, he's a likable guy. But last night you're watching that game and my takeaway is you're a fourth place team in that division with that offense currently. And here's Pete on Geno's struggles.

Jason McIntyre (42:55)

I've talked about this before that when you hire a head coach, it's not just about the X's and O's. That's what your coordinators are for. You are hiring a CEO. And I'm reminded. And when I think of Los Angeles football Now with Sean McVay and Jim Harbaugh, there is an argument they are the two best culture creators in football, LA football right now. I mean, think about LA Floyd. They didn't have an NFL team not that long ago, right? Didn't have a team. I'm going to argue that Harbon McVeigh ever watched departed. Frank Costello, the Jack Nicholson character has a great line in that. Has a great line in that movie. I don't want to be a product of my environment. I want my environment to be part of me. That's McVeigh and Harbaugh. Their teams are themselves. I mean, The Rams with McVay are intense, buttoned up, least penalized team in the NFL. Sean McVay always looks like he presses his shirt five minutes before the press conference. McVeigh is all details, totally organized, crazy about it. Has like Stephen Hawking recall. It's unbelievable. His team last year was the youngest defense in the NFL and yet the least penalized. They are him and Jim Harbaugh. Even his handshakes are firm. Remember the Jim Schwartz Pat in the back? That's Harbaugh. His teams are big. Jim's big and he's physical and he's relentless. And that's the Chargers. It's amazing how good LA football is right now. I hope people appreciate it. What's in Sofi Stadium? The Rams have the great owner, the great gm, the great coach and the great quarterback. And the Chargers, again, it's a coach quarterback league. Herbert Harbaugh, McVeigh and Stafford and both draft very well. So, I mean, and then you look at the New York teams so far this year. They're all in 4 minus 40 in point differential, give up 31 points a game, and opposing quarterbacks have a 103 passer rating. I mean, it. You may have a better park and better bagels, but when it comes to the beach and football, LA is humming right now. It is unbelievable. And you know, I'm sitting there thinking this morning, I looked it up. Pro football did not exist. It did not exist in Los Angeles in 2015. Ten years later, hall of Fame coaches, hall of Fame quarterbacks, hall of Fame pass rush talent. It's unbelievable how bad New York football is. And I think it all comes back to ownership. Spanos family pretty much keeps. Dean kind of keeps out of it, lets his football people run the show. And you know, I think we all know Stan Kroenke, one of the richest guys, also one of the most private billionaires in the country. And you know, we watched the HBO Hard Knocks with the Giants ownership that was shaky. The Johnson family with the Jets. You know, they're going to argue. We let our coaches, we let our coaches last much longer. Robert Sala had been here several years and they always feel like there's stuff working on behind the scenes. So all I'm saying is I look at the two biggest cities in the country, it is unbelievable how good LA football is right now. I mean, the idea that one city has arguably the two best coaches and the two best cultures. Now there is another great culture and coach in this league and it's Andy Reid. I think Kansas City is going to be fine. There are 10, 02 teams in this league. And if you look at the. I was looking at the teams this morning. It's the Giants and the jets and Cleveland and Chicago and Carolina and New Orleans and Tennessee and a lot of teams that are annually at the top of the draft in April. There's two or three reasons why Kansas City's going to be fine. Number one is Xavier Worthy. Probably a number two receiver is coming back. Rasheed Rice is coming back in a month. The New York Giants are on the schedule. And the truth is, it is a head coach, quarterback and pass rush league in Kansas City's good at those. So you got two receivers coming back. You lost to Philly and the Chargers. How do we know those aren't the two best teams in the NFL right now? They kind of look like it. So there's a couple of tough games, but you got Jacksonville and Detroit and the New York Giants and the Raiders. I think they're going to be fine. I would say if you take out Baltimore, Buffalo and the Chargers, the AFC feels more wide open than the nfc. And if you look at the schedule again, Baltimore, Buffalo, at Denver, those are tough games. Lot of wins, a lot of average offensive lines, not a lot of great quarterbacks. It's 0 and 2, but it doesn't feel desperate. Last year, The Rams started 0 and 2, the Ravens started 0 and 2, and Denver started 0 and 2. And they all made the playoffs. The Chiefs are going to make the playoffs. And here's Andy Reid.