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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 1 - Bengals upset the Steelers, Mike Tomlin's defense is an issue, Dodgers are close to going back to the World Series
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It's actually a really interesting slate of games. You know. J. Mac, Mike Tomlin, Steelers coach, was brutally honest, forthright and furious when the Cleveland Browns traded Joe Flacco to the Bengals. And we're like, why is he so upset? Now we know why. Mike Tomlin, after Last night is 1 and 7 straight up against Joe Flacco on short rest. So Tomlin's great on Monday Night Football, these Thursday games. J. Mac and I talked about it yesterday. Tomlin, less time to prepare and motivate. He's not good. So we thought we'd have Bengals, Steelers probably boring. Nudge 33, 31. Flacco in two games with the Bengals, 555 yards, five touchdowns, no picks. But that game was not only about Flacco, it was about Pittsburgh's defense. It's the highest paid in the league. Once again, it's atrocious. Chase Brown. Who knew he was Jim Brown. The Bengals averaged 6.2 yards a rush and Cincinnati has the 30th ranked offensive line in the league. I mean, I thought it was going to be a boring, ugly Steeler win. Not at all. It was a firework show. Don't blame it on Aaron Rodgers. Aaron's been terrific. Four touchdown passes. He only got in trouble when he tried to go deep. The story of the game is that defense, Mike Tomlin's defense, four straight years, highest paid. None have been in the top 10. It didn't matter who the running back was. I mean, Chase Brown, Illinois kid, whatever. I mean, he looked great. So six straight possession. This is hard to do in the NFL against anybody. Against anybody. Forget the Steelers. The Bengals scored at one point on six straight possessions. So Joe Flacco, old, barely can move. Joe Flacco, he can spin it. He doesn't move much. He only got sacked twice. So this is a really bad loss for the Steelers because now the schedule gets brutal. Green Bay, Colts, Chargers, Buffalo, Detroit, couple times. Lamar Jackson's now getting healthy. So watching the Bengals gash the Steelers for nearly 500 yards with the 30th offensive line and Joe Flacco. I mean, pitch and catch with Jamar Chase. 16 catches. Cincinnati dominated time of possession. So the AFC north, here we go. I mean, you've heard of death by a million cuts. That was like death by 100 slant patterns. They just did whatever they want. Gigantic holes. Jamar Chase, some T. Higgins. It didn't even matter. I mean, Cincinnati didn't have their best pass rusher. I'll give them a bit of a pass. Aaron had plenty of time to throw. But Pittsburgh's defense, you can't kind of. You can't spend that kind of money. And that can't be what I see. That was a really, really bad loss. Tomlin struggles on Thursday Night Football. Chase Brown averaged 9.8 yards a carry with that Bengal O line. Flacco, a guru, a Wizard. Guy's got, what, five, six practices in for the Bengals. Here was Jamar Chase. Jamar said, they did what we thought they would do. They did exactly what we was expecting and hoping they'd do. We know they was gonna put Joey on T and put Jalen on me, and we knew that we was ready for it. We was gonna take advantage of those opportunities. Just from a analysis perspective, I just thought, you know, the first half, we allowed them to run the ball too much. I think they had about 100 yards rushing into half, and so that just kind of set a negative trajectory, and we're fighting uphill the rest of the way. I certainly appreciate the fight, but, man, we got to be cleaner. We got to be better. Yeah, I. You know, it's in this league, it's crazy. There have been so many games this year where we absolutely feel going into a game like Steelers, they're going to be 5 and 1. We were absolutely sure the Chargers were going to beat Jackson Dart and the Giants. You know, Bills will take care of Atlanta and young Drake May. You just never know in this league. So the Dodgers are now leading three. Oh. On the brewers, one game away from the World Series. And it's official. They have no flaw. We thought it was the bullpen. We thought it was Ohtani struggling in the postseason. Yeah, Tyler Glassnow was excellent last night. Eight strikeouts, but he only went five and two thirds innings. So the Dodgers had to rely on their bullpen, and it was great. For the record, the brewers have nine hits through three games of a playoff series that's tied for the fewest in league history. And this is a team that scored a lot of runs and got a lot of hits. The brewers first time being held, a one run or fewer in three straight games on the season. And glass now was excellent. But this was. This was the series. This was the year to beat the Dodgers, right? Ohtani, struggling. Mookie Betts got off to a bad start. Shaky bullpen. Glasnow and Snell, you know, had health issues all year long. They don't really have a natural closer. Glasnow, five and two thirds. Fantastic. Eight strikeouts. I mean, I. If, if, if the Dodgers can win playoff games with five hits, it's over. Blue Jays, Mariners, brewers, it will not matter. And once again proving their depth. Much like a Cheesecake Factory menu. Turn the page. Limitless combinations. Mookie Betts had a great defensive play. Max Muncie had a great defensive play. Mookie Betts open the scoring. You know, Tommy Edmond hobbled Tommy Edmond, ankle injury, not at 100%. So this is. Everybody just talks about. It's a lot of money. No, Mookie Betts is unbelievable. Insane talent stole him from Boston. Tommy Edmonds again, was a St. Louis Cardinal hitting.265. Max Muncie, who can be hot on cold in defense, had a great play last night. Muncie got released by the Oakland A's. So many combinations. And last night, again, it wasn't necessarily Ohtani or Freddie Freeman. It was the bullpen. It was Tommy Edmond. And afterwards, I mean, nobody in the world could have predicted Milwaukee could not hit. Of all the predictions in this series, one of them was, listen, Dodgers gonna go to the bullpen. Dodgers are gonna need Ohtani to hit. You're gonna get some runs in the series. Milwaukee's got nine hits, and the Dodgers are getting better. Reds, Phillies, brewers. More confidence. Here's Dave Roberts after. I think the thing about our guys is they're battle tested, and they know that I've never lost faith in them. They never lost confidence in each other. And so, you know, so for what? To see what they're doing right now, I'm not surprised. And we knew all along that we were going to need these guys. And these guys are delivering which. Which is huge. And, you know, we're doing a great job of preventing runs, and the bullpen deserves a lot of credit. You know, it's really interesting. And you've seen this. This kind of starts to feel the last couple of years with the Dodgers, like that Alabama run where they were just better. Or the Kevin Durant warriors, like, not all dynasties. When the Patriots were winning Super Bowls, they were winning them all by three points. Even the losses to the Giants last second games, they weren't overpowering people. The years New England was overpowering people were the Randy Moss years. They didn't win a Super Bowl. This has got a little bit of a Warriors feel to it with kd. Like the warriors won before KD and after. But those finals felt different than the KD finals or the dominant Alabama run for about eight years where they would play big time teams and they would just outside of maybe Clemson and Trevor Lawrence or something, they just look better than everybody. I mean, if the bullpen's not an issue, they worked all year to try to solve this thing. They do not have a natural closer. So it almost feels, listen, money does matter, but the Mets and Yankees have a lot of it. This feels almost unfair because if Milwaukee can't get hits, forget driving and runs, home runs, they can't get hits. They can't get singles and doubles. The series is probably over. J. Mac, that game last night, I gotta tell you, I had such low expectations of that game. I. It had 2317. All you had to do is look at the analytics. You're like, the Bengals have a battle line. These are two 40 year old quarterbacks. It's a short week. It's, you know, Tomlin has not been great. So the Steelers will probably win, but they won't be that explosive. Aaron was terrific. Flacco was amazing. The run game. And we've got a really interesting weekend. Can Philadelphia bounce out of their issues? Can the Chargers getting healthier now beat the Colts? That's a, that's an underrated. Good game this weekend. What did you make of last night? Yeah, one of the big takeaways. So one of our guys on staff, you know, we got a lot of guys interested in gambling, said, hey J. Mac, did you see that Joe Flacco's passing yards total was like 250. And I was like, no way. How's he going for 250? He just got to this team. And then I was like, oh boy, there's going to be offensive fireworks. And lo and behold, Flacco is unstoppable. Bengals just score it. Will, did you say they scored on six straight possessions against the most expensive defense in the NFL? It's, it's just, I think one of the things that was obvious last night, how easily they ran the ball, there were huge, huge holes inside the box. So, I mean, Jamar Chase is always going to get his. Last night was crazy. And again, Joe Flacco knows what he knows. If you watched the Bengals last week with Joe Flacco. Remember that game he just the. The final, like, drive. It was like, I'm just going to throw to Jamar Chase over and over and over. They did Jamar Chase said. We knew what they were going to do defensively and they did it. You know, it's embarrassing, Colin, if you're the Pittsburgh Steelers fans and you were all excited about that 4 and 1 start, and then you look at the upcoming schedule, brutal. They're probably going to lose their next three and all of a sudden going to be four and five. And then let's see how Aaron Rodgers and Arthur Smith are doing on the sideline. And what's going on with Tomlin? I think there's some trouble ahead for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hi, this is Jay. I'm the producer of the Paulie and Tony Fusco show. Usually in these promos, they ask you to listen to the show. I'm here to ask you, please don't listen to the show. The hosts are two absolute morons who have the dumbest takes on sports imaginable. Don't listen to this show so it can get canceled. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What the hell are you doing in our studio? Get him, Paulie. Ignore that fool. Listen to the Paulie and Tony Fusco show on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast. He's still moving. Hey, it's Ed Helms. 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They did take a 10 nothing lead last night, which is nice. But it was the 56 straight game. The Steelers have scored seven or fewer points in the first quarter. That's the longest streak by any coach in NFL history. So 10 nothing was a nice start. Aaron Rodgers is not the issue. Nobody sat around all summer saying Aaron's got to lead the Steelers. Aaron in his prime in Green Bay. Yes, Aaron at 40 with Mike Tomlin. That's not what we thought. He tried to go deep in the second quarter and he got burned. I don't think this is a deep ball offense. I think it's a tight end offense. And DK Metcalf, his mobility has been excellent. He leads the NFL and touchdown passes, he's more than mobile enough in his prime. We wanted more. I think he's over delivering right now. He's been unbelievable. They just got to keep throwing the tight ends. When Aaron throws the tight ends. All four of his touchdowns last night were tight ends. When he throws the tight ends this year. 73% completion percentage 118 passer rating. So I think Aaron's made the offense smarter, more reliable. They've got like an NBA front line of tight end and receiver size and he's throwing underneath a lot. When he went deep up the left sideline, I think second quarter he got burned. I don't think that's what the offense is. So he's spreading the ball around. Eight different guys made a catch yeah, this is the one up the left sideline. I in a double coverage. I just don't think that's what this offense is. That's. That's not what it is. This is tight end led. So I think Aaron's been great. He's one of the few things working. The run defense was atrocious. The pass defense, the pass rush, I don't know what I'm getting. But offensively with Aaron, the Steelers are on track to have their most yards per play since the last great Big Ben year. Remember that Big Ben year where he had like 35 touchdowns? The following year he had the elbow injury in the surgery. The last great big Ben year, this is. They were putting up these kind of numbers at quarterback. So that was 2018. So I don't worry about Aaron at all. Aaron has held up his end of the bargain. I think he's been really good. I think he's identified the size advantage with their big. Starnell Washington, Friarmouth Hayward, even DK Metcalf. Not a tight end, but he is playing to Pittsburgh's offensive strength, size and physicality. Here he was after the loss. Listen, we want to win every game. There needs to be an expectation of winning. But this is a short week. Division, opponent, anything can happen. Obviously, Joe played really well for them. This is the NFL. You know, we had a chance to really open up some space, but we're four and two still first in the division. I'm not going to ride the roller coaster and I know Mike isn't, and hopefully you guys follow suit. It's interesting. He goes to the jets for a couple years and he can't rely upstairs on the dysfunction. And then he goes to Pittsburgh. Now he can't rely on the defense. Maybe Aaron's not the problem with New York and Pittsburgh because I think he's played really, really well. I know he's not being graded particularly high because he's not throwing the ball down the field. You watched last night. That's not what this offense is. You got to do what you have. When Brady had Moss, it was a deep ball offense. When it was Edelman and Gronk, it was underneath stuff all the time. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, turn on the news. This is the Herd line news. All right, Colin, let's start with Jaden Daniels and the Washington Commanders. Tough loss to the Bears on Monday night, but the young quarterback talked to the media about he how he and the team can get back on the winning track. They need fast starts. Colin, we got the. The Chance to, you know, take this thing to another level. Obviously the stats are the stats, but it just says just we could, you know, we could score with the best of them and we could, we could put up points, but we just got to be better with the details and execution. So, you know, we don't have slow starts or anything like that. So that's something that we're just honing in and to focus on. OMAR. Yeah. Down 10, nothing to the Chargers right out of the gate. Should have lost that game. And then down 13, nothing to the Bears. And now I'm getting word right now it's official. Scary. Terry McLaurin will not play. Dan Quinn has ruled him out this weekend against Dallas. Listen, I don't want to make too much of this, but Washington is in that dicey area right now. Slow starts, you know, maybe there's a bit of a sophomore slump for Jaden Daniels. Well, here's the good news. McLaren will play next week. And Dallas is the kind of defense you want to play play when you don't have Terry McLaurin. I think this is a, I think it's a wild game. I mean, last night the Bengals was wild game. I think you have Dak and. And with this defense, I think this is going to be one of the more entertaining games of the week. This used to be. When I was a kid growing up in the 70s, this was the best rivalry in the NFL. I think it has a chance to be very high end rivalry over the next several years because of the quarterback play. I think this is a go either way game. I don't have a strong conviction on the winner, but I think it's going to be incredibly Seattle, Tampa entertaining. I mean, listen, this is not a hot take, but right now Dallas has the better quarterback. Dak Prescott's performing better than Jaden this season. Small sample size. Dallas has a more dynamic number one receiver. I don't know who's got the better running back. Washington's rookie keeps. CD Lamb is back. That's big. CD Lamb's back. Like I think Dallas. I'm not. I got no money on this game, but I think Dallas is probably the side here. Washington needs a win. Colin. They. They just haven't looked buttoned up, to borrow your phrase, to start the season. All right, let's go to the next one. And that is little drama. Maybe in Miami. Jaylen Waddle, the great young receiver. Well, let me not call him great. He's good. He went and posted on Instagram. Just like a catch up, you know, A bunch of photos and wouldn't you know it but one of them was him in Buffalo Bills stadium. Now there is some speculation Buffalo needs a receiver. They're targeting Waddle as the ship be sinking in Miami. Here's a photo he posted. I mean listen, Jaylen Waddle's playing a lot of stadiums this season. Now there's a rumor of Jalen Waddle to the Giants which makes no sense because it's not. Now he's a very expensive guy cap hit over the next couple years. I think for Buffalo you can make the argument because you have a superstar quarterback. You're in the super bowl window with a superstar quarterback. The Giants, Jaylen Waddle rumors are dumb. You've got Malik neighbors, he'll get healthy. You got scatter boo make the offense dart scatter boo in the defensive front. I, I, I I the Giants should not inherit that cap hit. Yeah, I also think this, this Buffalo stuff like you already have Shakir, I don't know that Waddle's like the kind of guy you need. You know, obviously everybody could use an AJ Brown but they need a big strong receiver Buffalo for these tough winter games in January. They're going to be in KC or they're going to be in Buffalo. Maybe they're in Denver. They need a big physical receiver. I don't think Keon Coleman's the guy. You don't seem as down on Buffalo as I am offensively right now. Where are you on the billboard? I think they'll eventually be fine. Good enough. I don't think they're as creative as I'd like. But I think defensively if you cannot, when you have a great quarterback, there's one thing you can't be bad against the run. Like last night. Aaron Rodgers gets dominated in time of possession because Cincinnati is running and Flacco had the ball. It felt like Cincinnati had the ball for long, long, long stretches. How do you beat Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers Keep Aaron on the sidelines. He's the one thing working for Pittsburgh right now. You can't have a bad run def. You can have a bad pass defense. You can give up points on the back end, right? If you that you don't want to have it. But if you, if you had to choose, I want Mahomes, Lamar Herbert, I want those guys on the field. You can have a bad pass defense and give up quick touchdowns. You don't want to be giving up nine minute drives and your offense is sitting on the sidelines not getting opportunity. But even with Buffalo like Third and six. Like, you can't just rely on Josh to win every single third down. But you know what? Third and six. Last night, ja' Marr Chase was getting open. I mean, literally every possession. I got some concerns about Buffalo. Final story. Colin is Major League Baseball. And some consternation in Seattle. The Blue Jays rolled 8 to 2. A fun moment here. Max Scherzer, 41 years old. Old man Crabbiness. They tried to take him out of the game. He said, not happening. He talked about it after the game. All of a sudden, I see Schneider's coming out, and it kind of caught me off guard. And, you know, that's just where. One of those moments where I know I won the ball, I. I knew the situation of the game, I wanted the ball, and I basically told him that in a little bit different language. Yeah, it was awesome. I thought he was going to kill me. It was great. You know, he locked eyes with me, you know, both colors as I. As I walked out. I love this column. This is. That was awesome. Yeah, and it was. Listen, Scherzer's been around a long time. We had last night. We had Scherzer, Flacco, and Aaron Rodgers, and it was one of those things where he was pitching well. They had a lead. I think he needed one more out for. To get a W, potentially. So, yeah, I thought, you know, these old athletes, we want to give up on them, but it's amazing how often. They may not have 30 great starts, but in big moments, Flacco and Aaron and Scherzer can deliver. And that was a high leverage moment, and he got out of it. They're hanging on for dear life, and these old guys are, too, you know, I mean, Blue Jays needed that. They get the win. I. Are you nervous for your Mariners at this point? What are we doing? Very, very. Yeah. Sometimes you have momentum and seize it, sometimes you don't. They had it lost. That was all last night. Last couple of games. They can't get them out. Seattle's pitching was great in the first two games up in Canada. They can't get them out, by the way, the travel. And they got that. Yeah. And they got the. Last night felt like Toronto's night. They jumped on early. Scherzer pitching well. Last night was Toronto's night. You could feel it. I'm sure the Dodgers would rather play Seattle in the World Series than have to travel to and from Toronto. Man, that is a hike. Yep. Tied it to J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news. So what is it? One more in Seattle, then two, then you go east northeast to Toronto. So got to get their bearings right. They're struggling to get the Blue Jays out. So. I saw this this morning. The staff gave me this. The Bears are the only NFL team to score at least 21 points in each of their first five games. Interesting. I went back and looked at the 20, 24 numbers offensively, 32nd, 31st, 29th. Big plays, total offense. And I went and looked at them this year, and they're very good on big plays per game. Second, but they're kind of middle of the pack. Total offense, passing yards. Here's what's not arguable. Ben Johnson was the right hire. We'll see how the Caleb Ben Johnson thing works out. But they've gone from inept to capable. So there's two positions in the NFL. Quarterback, one, Head coach, two. You gotta be A at both. At least B plus if you want to be a consistent playoff team. So Chicago's now 3 and 2, but last year they were 4 and 2. But it didn't look right. The play design's better. The play calling's better. Caleb's playing within structure. Here's a word we use once in a while, they look intentional. It's not haphazard. It looks intentional. It's the different. You know, Last year they're 4 and 2. This year they're 3 and 2. It's the difference between a fake Louis bag and a real Louis bag. You know, from. From 30ft, you can't tell. Gotta get up close, put a microscope on it, touch it, you can tell the fake. Last year was fake, which is Caleb Williams making plays. Oh, he didn't throw a lot of interceptions, so. And don't get paralyzed by records. I said, When Kansas City was.500, I said, oh, this team is ready to explode. Remember, they beat Baltimore. Blew them out. Everybody said, wow, Ravens are injured. I'm like, no, no, that's not what this is. That defense is locked in. Eagles were 4, 0. I said, they got a coaching crisis. They've had the two worst offensive halves of any team, including the Titans, in the league. You can't get paralyzed by a record. This 3 and 2 feels real. The offense is smarter. It plays within structure. The play designs better. The play calling is better. It's. It. It looks explosive legitimately. So there's only two positions in this league. If you have a great coach and a great quarterback, you get to the playoffs. It's really hard. Last year, Bengals didn't burrow was great. We don't know about Zach Taylor. We just don't know. But Caleb Williams was compared this week. They were everybody. The Troy Aikman stuff got a lot of press. Troy Aikman didn't have a, a love affair with him. And people were defending Caleb Williams. He doesn't need defending. He's not there yet. Here was Caleb on the Aikman comments. People are going to say what they have to say. We win, we lose. People have stuff to say. It was lucky. It was not lucky. People have stuff to say, you know, you know, have a bad game, have a good game. You know, people have stuff to say. So it's, it's, it doesn't matter. We're only worried about what's going on here within this building and with these guys. So that's all. All I can say about that. Yeah, it, it's not luck, by the way. They're not, they're not three and two because they're lucky. It is an intentional offense and within structure, Caleb's getting much better. Accuracy, little bit hit and miss. But listen, I always, I always say this. If, if, if criticism from announcers is getting under your skin, you're not it. Right. And I think the Aikman Caleb comps. Yeah, they're silly. That's a different generation. Oh, I, I want to throw this out. I want to throw this, this story out. I saw this one. So when James Franklin got fired at Penn State, James, everybody celebrated. Get that bum out of here. He can't beat good teams. He's no good. Even though he finished fifth in the country and won 13 games the year before. Just get him out of here. We'll go get Kurt Signetti at Indiana. Oh, he just signed a new $92 million contract. He's off the market. And when Marcus Freeman, the other coach rumored to replace James Franklin. Well, Notre Dame's going to beat USC tomorrow and they're going to beat him soundly. It's a bad matchup for the Trojans. The weather's going to be Midwest cruddy and I don't think they can stop their run game. So Kurt Signetti and Marcus Freeman, excellent candidates after this weekend, going to be both off the board. Well, what about Clark Lee at Vandy? What about him? He's 21 and 34 his first three years at Vandy had a losing record last year. He was 7 and 6. James Franklin was at Vandy. He won by the second year. Nothing against Clark Lee. James Franklin won there by the second Year at least. Clark Lee Vandy, maybe. You know, James Franklin had won some there. I think he was like 7 and 6 his second year. So is that the answer? Matt Rule. Matt Rule. Matt Rules, the answer? Well, yeah, Matt Rule. Have you seen him in close games against ranked teams? Everybody wanted James Franklin out. He's bad against ranked teams. He won a lot of game. Bad against ranked teams. Matt Rule is 2 and 22 against ranked teams as coach in Nebraska and his previous stops, I guess so. You know, you wanted Kurt Signetti locked in, Marcus Freeman locked in soon, the guy at Vandy. Actually, James Franklin was better at Vandy. Matt Rule, he can't beat ranked teams. It's like the New York Knicks. If you're going to fire Tibbs, who you hiring? Not everybody looks at your job opening with the same affection you do. It's like I've always. I've always said this about young kids. I love mine. I tolerate yours. I mean, they're beautiful. Hey, I love mine. Everybody else, keep them at home. All right, That's. Penn State looks at their job opening, and they're like, we'll just go grab Freeman. Notre Dame is a better job. We'll get Signetti. Bloomington's a great place. Signetti is creating his own empire. Well, we'll get the guy at Vandy. Well, James Franklin was actually better at Vandy. Well, Matt Rule can't beat ranked teams either. Just saying. You got Lane Kiffin. He's not going there either. Maybe you have to go to the Division 2, maybe. Oh, Dan Lanning is not leaving Oregon. I wouldn't leave Oregon for Penn State. I think Penn State's a good job, but it's not a top six or seven job. It's not Bama. It's not Texas. I don't think it's Oregon. It's not Michigan. It's Notre Dame. It's not Ohio State. I don't think it's usc. I think it's closer to. I think it is closer to Ole Miss than it is to Georgia. And Ole Miss is a solid job. Solid plus. But, you know, it's like the Knicks. We're going to fire Tibbs. Well, who's on the market? You got something lined up? Doesn't look like they did. Signetti, that was the one they had, right? Who wouldn't want to come here? Not everybody looks at your opening like. Like you do. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific. Hey, it's Ed Helms. And welcome back to Snafu. My podcast about history's greatest screw ups. On our new season, we're bringing you a new snafu every single episode. 32 lost nuclear weapons. You're like, wait, stop. What? Yeah. Ernie Shackleton sounds like a solid snow 70s basketball player who still wore knee pads. Yes. It's gonna be a whole lot of history, a whole lot of funny, and a whole lot of guests. The great Paul Scheer made me feel good. I'm like, oh wow, Angela and Jenna, I am so psyched you're here. What was that like for you to soft launch into the show? Sorry, Jenna, I'll be asking the questions today. I forgot whose podcast we were doing. Nick Kroll. I hope this story is good enough to get you to toss that sandwich. So let's, let's, let's see how it goes. 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October. We're doing it Halloween style. Listen to the Trap Nurse podcast from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. I've never understood this like. Well, you said nine years. The Blue Jays battle back to tie the ALCS at two games a piece. Now they'll square off with Cal, Raleigh and the Mariners in a pivotal game five. Coverage begins at 5:00pm Eastern, 2:00pm Pacific today on FS1 little earlier game in Seattle. Very, very excited for that. My some friends from high school were sending me picks last night watching the Mariners game. They got to get it. They got to get back on track. So I thought one of the sillier things I saw on the Internet this week was when Troy Aikman didn't fall in love with Caleb's performance. People were like, well, Caleb's better at his first 20 starts than Troy Aikman. Oh, boy. It's a totally different. These are not contemporaries. It's a totally different generation. Let's do. Let's. Let's talk about that. So I have defended Bo Nix. Let's. Let's do a little blind resume with Bo Nix. And let's use contemporaries, people, peers or people in his generation. That's fair because I've said Bo Nix does three things really well. He doesn't get sacked. A lot of it's because he's really athletic. He's very good 15 yards and under. Like, he's very accurate. And he ball placements great. And he's coachable and tough. With a lot of college starts. He does not throw a great deep ball. But when I saw the Aikman Caleb comps, it was such an eye roll. And if you want to do comps that matter, let's do this. Let's do blind resume. Let's look at Bo Nicks in the current NFL. His first 23 starts. Okay, guys, want to do the blind resume. So basically the same resume through 23 starts of the guy in the right. Who's the guy in the right? First 23 starts. The guy in the right, who everybody fell in love with. Dak Prescott. And Dak had Zeke and the number one offensive line in the league. Okay, so there you go. Okay, let's do it again. Well, well, I mean, maybe Colony. I mean, Dax. Not that talented. Okay, let's do a blind resume where here Bo Nick says, much more accurate. Fewer turnovers. Much higher passer rating through 23 starts. Let's see who this is. Oh, Josh Allen. I knew it. Josh Allen. Okay, well, I mean, Colin. I mean, that was years ago. Let's go with a more, you know, contemporary 23 starts. Well, here he lines up almost the exact same quarterback again, somebody we don't push back on. He's absolutely big, strong, capable, accurate guy. Who's this blind resume? Oh, C.J. stroud again. I'm not doing Caleb and Aikman. I mean, why not? Do ya Tittle and, you know, and C.J. stroud. I mean, that's just nonsense. Okay, let's do another one. Okay, I'll go back a few years. It's the same league, but it's probably more of a passing league now than it was then. But it's kind of close. Fairly similar. Bo Nick, this quarterback. Boy, this guy struggled with accuracy. His passer rating was terrible. Who is that stiff? Okay, that these comps are reasonable because the NFL rules. During all those quarterbacks, including Luck and Bo Nicks, the rules are the same. They have limited what defenses can do. So, you know, in. And I'll say this about Bo Nix. I have identified. You have identified. If you watch, Bronco fans know this. He doesn't get sacked. He's very athletic. In fact, I would argue run more. First two years you're in the league as a quarterback, run if you can, until the, the green. The light comes on, until the game slows down. He's coachable. He's gotten better last September to October, November. He gets better as the season goes on. Doesn't take sacks. Super athletic, and he's very good. 15 yards and in. Now, he. He does not throw a great deep ball. Okay, Sorry. He's not Mahomes. He's not. But I, I. You know, Tony Gonzalez used to say, you know, ego has no amigo. He doesn't have any of that. The other thing is, can Bo Nix be. Can we look at Bo Nix and go, he's a top 12, 13 quarterback? Because until this season, until this very season, that's how we looked at Baker Mayfield, and that's how we looked at Dak Prescott his entire career. And he's probably better than that. So all the fandom for Dak and Baker, I mean, Baker before this year, you could argue, is he a top 12 quarterback? By the way, y' all love Brock Purdy. You know, Brock Purdy had a trouble winning games without Christian McCaffrey. Bo Nix doesn't always have a healthy roster either. So I think Bo Nix has incredibly high expectations. Dad was a coach. I think he's fine. I think he's a franchise quarterback. I don't think he's as gifted as Jaden Daniels right now. I don't know if he's Drake May, but he's a franchise quarterback. Here's Bo. I'm definitely tough on myself. I think it's just, you know, how I grew up, how I was, you know, raised. My dad was my coach, so he was tough on me, and then, you know, just kind of. Just kind of continued. It's. It's tough. You know, I hate making mistakes. I hate, you know, not doing the correct thing and, you know, can be tough on myself. But at the same time, you know, I give myself some grace, too, and just, you know, move on. And go to the next play and I'm sure I'm going to make another mistake and you know, I'll fix that when it, when it happens. Now I will say this. Patrick Mahomes didn't have these stumbles. Patrick got Andy Reid got a set for a year, had an incredible mentor. Bo Nix went to a team with the worst dead cap situation in league history. Peyton made the offensive line highly serviceable year one. Now it's good. So again, I like Bo a lot. Will he be a top 12, 13 quarterback? I think it's absolutely fair. He's probably at about 15, 16 now. Athletic, accurate, smart, coachable again in a division with Herbert Harbaugh Mahomes Reed. He made the playoffs as a rookie. This league is about winning games. I know J. Mac, he's not your guy. But I, I, I, I see a franchise quarterback that doesn't throw yet a very good deep ball and may never. Yeah, listen, I like Bo Nix. I know he's your boy. He came into the studio, seemed like the most friendly quarterback who's one of the most friendly quarterbacks who's been in here. That being said, this season the numbers have been awful. Colin Pro Football Focus. I know it's just one data point we don't like. Pff. Who's grading the guys 39th according to pro Football Focus. Then there's this other stat that you know, EPA expected points added. He's 23rd among quarterbacks below Kyler Murray, Spencer Rattler Jackson, Dart. He just has not been great play to play. Now he has an elite defense backing him up. That's who bailed him out against the Jets. I'm not saying he's trash. I just think he's a middling quarterback we've got to see. I'll remind you, Baker Mayfield with the Browns made the playoffs, was the winning quarterback in a, in a playoff game at Pittsburgh, remember? And then the next year he was injured, tried to play, was a disaster and they dumped him. Well, so like here, here, Sam Darnold and Baker are great examples of. You look up seven, eight years into their career or whatever it is. Six years, seven years into their career and you go, I didn't know they were this good. Let's talk Dak Prescott. So I always said Dak Prescott was Kirk Cousins with better mobility and a star in his helmet. But this year Dak is doing something here in, in what year is it for Dak Prescott now? He's been in the NFL a decade. This is the first year I can argue he has carried a bad roster. He has no CD Lamb, he didn't have a number one receiver, number one tight end. He's got a good back, rebuilt offensive line, atrocious defense. So sometimes it takes a while for the truth to come out. I always feel usually by the middle of chapter two of your book, I know who you are. You know, Dak, we're in chapter 10 or 11 and it's like, oh, he's not Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins never took a defense this bad with no number one receiver or tight end and made it the best offense in the league. This is a new Dak. So let me ask you though, is it a new deck or have the circumstances changed? Do they look at Dak and say, dak, you're the highest paid quarterback in the league. We can't afford a defense, sorry, man, you've got to carry us. Whereas early in his career, hey, you're on the rookie deal, you hand off. We got Zeke, we got DEZ Bryant, we got a great defense. You don't need to do too much. And they played it safe with him. Well, I think the circumstances have kind of changed. I think unless you're a top five or six quarterback in this league, you have great stretches and bad stretches. I mean, Daniel Jones had a very, very good stretch. Will it continue? Bone. Knicks last year had a 10 game stretch. Weeks 8 through 18, 106 passer rating, 70% completion percentage. So he was bad early. Outstanding, choppy. This season, that's the difference between Steph Curry and every other guy that jacks threes nine out of ten nights. I know what I get from Steph Curry. That is literally the difference. Everybody in the NBA, almost everybody in the NBA, every guard in the NBA can drop 28 points on any given night. The difference is James Harden in his prime gave it to you every night. Jordan gave it to you every night. LeBron gave it to you every night. Everybody in the. Rudy Gay had a lot of good nights. Rudy Gay is a good player. He had a lot of good nights in the NBA. The difference is the consistency. Takes a very good player to an iconic player. So Bo Nicks is in that. He's in that stretch where, wow, he was good last year for eight weeks. C.J. stroud, unbelievable rookie year, steps back, doesn't get the offensive line protection. His receivers get hurt. Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Burrow, those guys are the exception. They're superstar players. Most quarterbacks in this league are Bo Nicks, most franchise quarterbacks. Where you can go, you can go eight I mean, Jalen Hurts has had great stretches. Now, please don't throw from the pocket. That's most quarterbacks in the NFL or don't like, like Mahomes, you can't tell if he's leading or trailing. That's a great quarterback. Baker Mayfield has developed into a quarterback. He's as good trailing as leading. Early in his career, he was great with a lead in a run game. I didn't want Baker trailing. He was too reckless. Now, Baker or Sam Darnold, I don't care what the score is. So. So you, you mentioned franchise quarterback earlier. This is tough because it's early. Like, do you think from what you've seen so far, Bo Nix is going to get franchise quarterback money? Because that's when the equation changes dramatically. Yes. Wow. But again, that's three and a half years from now. He could be improved. Yeah, he could be an absolutely improved player. All I'm saying is with the exception of about four guys, one of them not available, maybe, maybe two. Lamar and Burrow aren't currently available. With the exception, like four or five guys in this league, every franchise quarterback has bad stretches. If the O lines hurt, you lose your top running game. All the. You know what I mean? Or you get the wrong coach or coordinator. Almost the whole league goes through bad cycles. It's just Dak. His tangibles have caught up to his intangibles and he's just a different quarterback right now. So Sam. And so so is Baker. Blazing5 Today's episode brought to you by a scent that's made a legendary comeback degree. Original Cool Rush. The OG is back and better than ever. Cool Rush isn't just a scent. It's a movement kind of fragrance. Guys remember, ask for by name and rave about online. It's bold. It's fresh all day. Sweat protection, cool, crisp vibe that made it legendary. 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