THE HERD - Hour 1 - Blue Jays even the World Series, the struggles of Dodgers, Steelers defense has issues

Summary

The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Hour 1 (October 29, 2025)

Overview

This episode dives deep into the current MLB World Series between the Dodgers and Blue Jays, the struggles of the Dodgers' offense, Toronto’s resurgence, ongoing concerns with the Steelers’ defense in the NFL, Giannis Antetokounmpo’s predicament in Milwaukee (NBA), and a fiery debate about load management and sports legacies. Colin and his co-host bring their signature opinionated, conversational style while blending major storylines from the MLB, NFL, and NBA.

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Main Topics & Insights

1. World Series: Blue Jays Even the Series, Dodgers’ Offensive Woes

Key Segments:

• Blue Jays’ offensive firepower vs. Dodgers' struggles ([02:00]-[07:00])
• Shohei Ohtani’s performance and Vlad Guerrero Jr.'s resurgence ([03:15]-[05:30])
• Dave Roberts and Dodgers hitting issues ([05:50]-[06:58])

Discussion Highlights:

• Colin praises Toronto: “We said going in, the Toronto Blue Jays got bat on ball... They got a lot of power hitters. Their guys are all hitting and the Dodgers guys are not. And last night was another example.” ([02:00])
• Notably, the Jays have five players hitting .300+ in the World Series, compared to just one on the Dodgers.
• “Ohtani was fine. He mostly had his stuff. Shohei was sharp. Six innings, gave up six hits. He was fine. Now Vlad Guerrero... was eventually going to break out of it and he did.” ([03:50])
• The Dodgers stranded 18 baserunners the previous game and went 0-for-5 with runners in scoring position last night, heightening concern about key bats like Muncie, Betts, and Edmond slumping.
  • “Freddie Freeman and Ohtani are carrying the offense. Everybody else for the Dodgers is on sabbatical with a lot of strikeouts.” ([05:10])
• Manager Dave Roberts laments lineup issues:
  • “We haven't found our rhythm. We haven't. It sort of draws dead at certain parts of the lineup and different parts, different innings, different games. You know, guys are competing... But, yeah, you know, my hope is we regroup tomorrow.” ([06:33])

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2. Steelers Defensive Struggles

Key Segments:

• Analysis of the Steelers' defense and Tomlin’s predicament ([07:00]-[11:10])
• Impact of hiring new safety Kyle Duggar ([08:10]-[09:30])
• The broader NFL context of defensive coaches and franchise trajectories ([09:00]-[11:07])

Discussion Highlights:

• Colin is candid: “The Steelers are officially broken, but it's the defense that's broken.... Four straight years the most expensive [defense] in the league—and they're bad. It's the worst in Tomlin's era.” ([07:05])
• He compares it to “paying $80/month for a streaming service with no hits…” ([08:05])
• A key theme: top defensive investment yielding little production, and the offense (with Aaron Rodgers) is actually functional.
• Colin questions defensive head coaches: “The really good defensive coaches make an impact immediately... but with Mike Tomlin... I think the franchise is broken.”
• Tomlin’s accountability:
  • “We all have to own it... because some of these problems are somewhat repetitive and we're not getting better fast enough.” ([10:53])

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3. Giannis Antetokounmpo & the “Ohtani Effect” in Milwaukee

Key Segments:

• Giannis’ isolated brilliance and trade speculation ([11:10]-[12:20], [18:45]-[20:45])
• Parallels drawn between Ohtani’s time with the Angels and Giannis’ Milwaukee fate

Discussion Highlights:

• Colin admires Giannis but feels for his situation: “[Watching Giannis] feels like Ohtani with the Angels... wouldn't it be great if he kept playing in September late, got to a real team? Three first round exits in a row for Milwaukee... They’ve exhausted draft capital.” ([11:20])
• He asserts the Bucks, while valiant, are now “a borderline playoff team in the West... in the East, they're not viable... It’s Giannis and everything else.” ([18:45])
• Colin links the superstar on a small/non-contender team to wasted greatness:
  • “I want great on great... Mahomes, Reid. It's not a market size thing. Kevin Garnett... won MVP in Minnesota but we remember the Celtics.”
• Quotable Giannis (on NY trade rumors):
  • “I try to stay away from all that rumors… and all this. It doesn't concern me one bit. I try to involve myself and try to help my team win games.” ([20:17])

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4. NFL: Contracts & Defensive Value

Key Segments:

• Aidan Hutchinson’s massive extension ([21:07]-[22:34])
• Discussion of defensive roster-building philosophies and the Miles Garrett debate ([22:34]-[26:43])

Discussion Highlights:

• Co-host (Nick Wright): “If you pay your edge rusher top dollar often, you're not really a contender. Maybe you just have to pay offense and cobble together defense.” ([22:34])
• Colin (on roster building): “You pay a quarterback and you pay a left tackle. On defense, stay young, fast and as cheap as you can because defensive players get hurt more often. But if you get a guy in the front five... pay them. There is no other Myles Garrett on the market.” ([23:13])
• A spirited debate about whether teams should ever trade an elite, game-wrecking defender like Miles Garrett, even for multiple first-round picks.

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5. Bears Penalties, Ravens Outlook, and NFL Power Tiers

Key Segments:

• Bears penalty woes and hopes for upcoming matchups ([29:39]-[31:21])
• Lamar Jackson’s “must-win” mindset for Baltimore ([26:45]-[27:34])
• The NFL’s increasing top-bottom talent gaps, reminiscent of the NBA ([27:34]-[28:59])

Discussion Highlights:

• Concerns about the Bears: “Not necessarily great on third down. They don't complete many passes... Their operations are clunky with penalties.” ([30:02])
• Optimism: “…They’re good on the opening drive... offensively better than last year...[But] this team is better than last year offensively... They got to look themselves in the mirror. They're facing a team with better personnel.” ([30:02], [30:59])
• On league trends: “The NFL last year for the first time in my life felt a little like the NBA with a bottom like 6 to 7 teams unwatchable... The gap between good and not good... is starting to feel very NBA.” ([27:34])

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6. Michael Jordan vs. Modern NBA – Load Management, Legacy, and Longevity

Key Segments:

• Colin’s take on load management and generational shifts ([31:27]-[38:04])
• Adam Silver and the “highlights league” ([34:35]-[35:00])
• Michael Jordan’s “play every night” ethos vs. modern careers: Jordan, LeBron, Steph Curry ([40:51]-[46:00])

Discussion Highlights:

• Colin, nostalgic but critical: “I grew up in a small town, three hours from an NBA arena... you’re driving to the arena and your stars aren't there. I can't stand load management. There is no data to prove that it works... The NBA did studies—there is no medical benefit on sitting. It’s all nonsense.” ([32:00])
• Adam Silver, candid on fan trends:
  • “This is very much a highlights based sport... Instagram, TikTok, Twitter... there's an enormous amount of content out there.” ([34:35])
• Colin defends older or 7’+ stars playing fewer games, but expects young, healthy stars to play more:
  • “Reward the home fans. If you’re going to punish anybody, punish the road fans.” ([36:50])
• Debate: “Should MJ have load managed?”
  • Co-host: “He played 13 seasons with the Bulls... Now we could argue, hey man, maybe he burned too bright. If he didn't do 82 games a year... we would have had more Michael Jordan.” ([41:24])
  • Colin: “Legends are made on greatness, not extension. They're not made on volume... Koufax, Barry Sanders retired at 30.” ([42:15], [44:36])
• Lively comparison: Jordan (brief, brightest prime) vs. LeBron (long, evolving legacy), with Sandy Koufax and Barry Sanders analogies.

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7. AJ Brown, Jalen Hurts, and Team Chemistry

Key Segment:

• AJ Brown’s unique personality and fit on the Eagles ([46:01]-[49:28])

Discussion Highlights:

• Colin: “A.J. brown’s identity in this article is basically getting the football. He admits... he's a loner, struggles to make friends. His dopamine... is getting the football in his hands... Not adversaries, but never going to blend.” ([46:01])
• Nick Ceriani’s take:
  • “You can only judge things off your interactions and how they are in the building. And AJ's been great in the building... I’m always in communication.” ([47:51])
• Analogy to DK Metcalf and the lifespan of “high-maintenance” receivers with teams.

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Memorable Quotes

• Colin on the Dodgers’ challenges (MLB):

  • "Freddie Freeman and Ohtani are carrying the offense. Everybody else for the Dodgers is on sabbatical with a lot of strikeouts." ([05:10])

• Dave Roberts (Dodgers Manager) on lineup struggles:

  • “We haven't found our rhythm. It sort of draws dead at certain parts of the lineup... My hope is we regroup tomorrow.” ([06:33])

• Colin on Steelers’ defense:

  • "You can't pay the most for something and get lousy production. That's how TV shows get canceled. That's the Steelers four straight year highest paid defense and they're bad." ([08:05])

• Mike Tomlin (Steelers HC) on owning the defensive struggles:

  • “We all have to own it. Certainly you start with the schematics... we're not getting better fast enough.” ([10:53])

• Giannis Antetokounmpo (on NY rumors):

  • “I try to stay away from all that rumors...It doesn't concern me one bit. I try to help my team win games.” ([20:17])

• Colin on legacy vs. longevity:

  • “Legends are made on greatness, not extension... Koufax had three unbelievable years, three other great years. Greatest Dodger legend.” ([42:15])

• Colin on load management:

  • “There is no medical benefit on sitting. It’s all nonsense...What bothers me is the highest paid stars are the ones that don’t want to play every night.” ([32:00], [36:10])

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Notable Timestamps

• [02:00] – Opening analysis: Blue Jays even World Series; Dodgers offensive slumps dissected
• [05:50] – Dave Roberts on Dodgers lineup woes
• [07:05] – Steelers: high spending, low defensive production; Colin’s assessment
• [10:53] – Mike Tomlin addresses defensive breakdowns
• [11:20] – Giannis as baseball’s Ohtani; Bucks hit ceiling
• [18:45] – Bucks’ future, Giannis’ prime; comparison to MLB stars on bad teams
• [20:17] – Giannis’ reaction to trade rumors
• [22:34] – Discussion on edge rusher contracts, Miles Garrett debate
• [27:34] – NFL’s growing “NBA-ness,” top-bottom disparity
• [30:02] – Bears’ improvements and continued issues
• [31:27] – Michael Jordan, NBA load management, the fan experience
• [34:35] – Adam Silver: “We’re a highlight league”
• [41:24] – Should MJ have load managed? Debate begins
• [42:15] – Colin: legends built on great peaks, not sheer career length
• [46:01] – A.J. Brown’s loner mentality and Eagles chemistry

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Tone & Style

Colin and his co-host maintain an opinionated, conversational, and sometimes contrarian outlook, blending personal philosophy about greatness, humor, and sharp analogies with facts and current stats.

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For the Listener

If you missed the episode, you get:

• A real-time, personality-driven breakdown of Dodgers vs. Blue Jays World Series drama.
• Critical look at expensive, underperforming NFL defenses, namely Pittsburgh’s, and league-wide trends.
• NBA reflections on the superstar paradox: what happens when all-time greats are stuck on so-so teams—and do sports legends need short or long primes to be remembered?
• A nuanced, passionate debate on load management, Jordan vs. LeBron, and how fans and teams should value legacy, health, and longevity.
• Updates on NFL contract strategy debates and evolving team chemistry with player personalities.

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A can’t-miss episode for fans of baseball, football, and basketball who love analysis with personality, big-picture thinking, and all the quirks of the modern sports era.

Transcript

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[J. Mac]

We haven't found our rhythm. We haven't. It sort of draws dead at certain parts of the lineup and different parts, different innings, different games. You know, guys are competing. Certainly in the postseason, you're seeing everyone's best. But, yeah, you know, my hope is we regroup tomorrow.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, good luck. Blake Snell goes tonight, and then we're going to get two games, one minimum in Canada. But last night was the Jays night, and Ohtani was fine. He was pretty sharp. But at some point, Vlad was going to break pitch up in the strike zone. He did, and the ball got rolling. All right, so the NFL is pretty cruel when it comes to coaches. I mean, it feels like Greg Popovich coach forever in San Antonio. Spoelstra coaching forever. Steve Kerr's got a job as long as he wants it, but in the NFL, Annie Reid got fired. Bill Belichick got fired. Cowboys got a new owner. Tom Landry got fired. I don't know what to do with Pittsburgh. Mike Tomlin. The Steelers are broken, but it's the defense that's broken. The Pittsburgh defense for the fourth straight year is the most expensive in the league. Yesterday, trade deadline coming up, they got a safety from the New England Patriots, Kyle Duggar. That's not going to solve it. When you watch that Green Bay game Sunday Night Football, man, is it apparent? Green Bay is a very progressive, smart and current franchise. Aaron Rodgers is keeping them afloat. Actually, the Steelers are averaging 5.4 yards of play. That's good. I looked this morning. Top three, red zone offense, yards per play, red zone turnovers. Aaron Rodgers influence has been really, really impressive. He's having a sneaky year. He's not throwing the ball deep downfield. Aaron's done his part. But right now that defense. You can't pay the most for something and get lousy production. That's how TV shows get canceled. That's the Steelers four straight year highest paid defense and they're bad. It's the worst in Tomlin's era. It's like paying 80 bucks a month for a streaming service with no hits at some point. Where are the hits? And I've said this with Aaron Rodgers. He can be divisive and polarizing. He's actually really good. He's not throwing the ball down the field. This is not going to be Jalen Hurts down the field to Devonte Smith. It's not going to be Matt Stafford down the field to Puka. That's not what this offense is. It is. It's not. This offense is big, large human beings 15 yards and in. But red zone. That's a quarterback stat too. They're kind of good this year. They're kind of good. They don't turn the ball over a ton of so what do you do with Mike Tomlin? I'm not anti defensive coach but the really good defensive coaches make an impact immediately. Mike Frable comes in. Patriots 22nd defense. Before Mike got there, fourth this year. Mike McDonald got to Seattle 30th to 14th. Now they're top 10. I mean the Rams don't spend anything on their defense. They're second. It's cheap labor. Right. So when you have veterans you're paying them a fortune and they're awful. Kyle Duggar is not going to be the answer. So I don't know what you do. It feels like the Steelers are broken. I've always said I judge coaches on their side of the ball. Say what you want about Lincoln Riley at usc. The offense is fine. You could argue he's not a head coach, he's not a culture creator. You argue what you want, he gets his side. I mean the Rams offense is almost always good. They can take 5th round Puka, 3rd round Cooper cup in his prime. 4th 5th round Kyron Williams, an undrafted starting left tackle Sean McVay is squeezing every bit of juice out of that Rams offense. Mid low round guys. He'll make them work. They got a seventh round receivers already have a touchdown pass this year. But with Mike Tomlin, he's good at the podium. But I think the franchise is broken. Here's Mike.

[Mike Tomlin]

We all have to own it. Certainly you start with the schematics man, because you know, that's the leadership component of it. And certainly we'll be looking at everything that we're doing, man, because some of these problems are somewhat repetitive and we're not getting better fast enough.

[Colin Cowherd]

So the story yesterday they brought in traded a draft pick, they brought in a safety from New England to try to fix it because they've got injuries, which of course everybody in the league has. But great brands can usually pivot faster to get it right. But right now they're broken. There's a lot going on, you know. J Mac, I know you love NBA gc Giannis last night, Giannis last night was unbelievable. And you're sitting there watching that game. And as I watch Ohtani in the World Series, I watch Giannis and I think it feels like Ohtani with the Angels. You know, Ohtani was putting up huge numbers with the Angels, but you're like, wouldn't it be great if he kept playing in September late got to a real team? Yeah. And it's like three first round exits in a row for Milwaukee. And the Bucs have tried, by the way. I mean, they're going to be paying Dame Lillard's salary, some of that for five years and they've exhausted draft capital. It's not like Milwaukee didn't win a title or hasn't tried. But I've got thoughts. I honestly last night you watched Giannis and it's got an Ohtani feel. With the Angels, you're like, I feel bad, but it's time to restock the draft picks and get some other players.

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Giannis Antetokounmpo]

I don't remember that right now. I'm like, I'm here representing my, my team and that's it. We beat the Knicks. I didn't read that article. Try to stay away from all that rumors and I don't know, you call it speculations and trade and all this. It doesn't concern me one bit. I try to involve my, myself and try to help my team win games.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, he, he feels like he Needs to be playing in June and late May and not be a first round exit guy. I felt, you know, watching him last night. There's an Ohtani feel, you know, it's not that the Angels couldn't be entertaining, but you need better people hitting in front of him and behind him and a bigger stage. J Mac with news.

[Mike Tomlin]

No, no, no, turn on the news. This is the Herd line news.

[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

All right, Con. Let's start with some breaking news in the NFL, Aiden Hutchinson and the Lions have a new deal. He will become the second highest paid pass rusher in the NFL behind Micah Parsons. The deal comes with 141 million in guaranteed moolah for Aiden Hutchinson. That surpasses Micah's 136. I mean, that's a little crazy. My first thought, Colin, obviously Aiden Hutchinson's great, deserves all the money. How are the Lions affording all these guys? They keep extending people. I mean, Jared Goff, you go down the list. Well, Amara St. Brown, Montgomery, Jameson Williams.

[Colin Cowherd]

The offensive line, the question is because you're. They draft so well that, you know, Branch, they're not paying. Jameer Gibbs, they're not paying. They've got stars, they're not paying. So a lot of it is when you, you know, Philadelphia has hit, the Eagles have hit on a lot of their first and second round picks the last three years. So you end up having six star players that you're not paying. Yeah. Now Philadelphia this offseason had to move off people. But I, I've said before, you pay a quarterback and you pay a left tackle. You would. You have to pay somebody in the defensive front. I'll move off corners, linebackers, safeties, all move off wide receivers, quarterback, left tackle. And somebody in that front like the Rams are going to pay. Jared Verse, he's in year two or three, they're going to pay him. Hutchinson's numbers.

[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

But, but Colin, look at the screen. Okay, so that's interesting. About the edge rushers outside, take away Micah. Right, because he just got the deal. He's on a new team. TJ Watt and the Steelers are not really a playoff team. They're not a contender. Miles Garrett is on arguably the worst team in the league. He's frustrated, but he's picking up five sacks in a game. Hunter is good, but I don't think the Texans are a contender. Max Crosby, we know the Raiders stink. Bosa, they got injuries. Hendrickson, they're not a playoff team. If you pay your edge rusher top dollar often, you're not really a contender. I Mean, that's what the numbers are saying on the screen. So maybe you have a point, like you just got to pay offense and cobble together defense.

[Colin Cowherd]

No, I think when I, and I've talked to this, I talked to this with a gentleman or manager right now that's in first place. And he said, listen, you're going to pay a quarterback in your left tackle and you'd love to pay a weapon. You'll have to pay a weapon eventually somewhere. He said, on defense, stay young, fast and as cheap as you can because defensive players get hurt more often. He goes, but if you get a guy in the front five, a Max Crosby or a Hutchison or a Miles Garrett, pay them. There is no other Myles Garrett on the market. I'm not trading him if I'm Cleveland. There's just nothing out there like him. It's like Aaron Donald Trump. Even when the rams were in St.

[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

Louis, we disagree there. You wouldn't trade Miles Garrett?

[Colin Cowherd]

No, there's nobody on the market like it.

[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

So, okay, so you're one in seven. What are we doing?

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, that. But it's not Myles Garrett's problem. He's one of your.

[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

Miles Garrett's not bringing you three, four wins to get you respectable to the playoffs.

[Colin Cowherd]

But there's nobody in the world that's as good as him at that position. You get draft picks. 30% of draft picks in the first round fail. I'm not giving up the world's best blank for a 70% hit rate.

[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

Well, I thought the cow. I thought you liked what the Cowboys got from Micah Parsons in return.

[Colin Cowherd]

Cowboys were different. Cowboys have their quarterback. Cowboys are offensively excellent. Their defense was bad with Micah. The Browns defense is excellent because of Miles Garrett. The Cowboys defense was awful with Micah Parsons. So move him. Get flexibility and get first round picks. I mean, the Browns already have two first round picks. They don't need a third. I mean what they need is the world's best pass rusher.

[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

Okay, so the Buffalo Bills call the Browns and say, hey, we'll give you two future ones. And I don't throw in. Give us Miles Garrett. We think he's the missing pink piece. Do you do it?

[Colin Cowherd]

If you're the Browns, they've already got two ones. That's not their need. Their need isn't more first round picks. Their need is more great players. Right now, Cleveland, I mean Dallas's need was flexibility. And Dallas also smartly because they have a. Cleveland has to waste those two first round picks, either both or one on the quarterback. Dallas has that Dallas is in a great position. They can take those ones and move down and get more picks. The Browns are going to have to use those ones and maybe move up, exhaust both of them to get the right quarterback.

[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

So it's interesting because this goes in all to Hutchinson for the playoff game against the Lions. You have to scheme against Hutchinson. He can wreck your game.

[Colin Cowherd]

That's right.

[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

Micah Parsons, same deal. Kansas City doesn't have that. Chris Jones is not that guy of the. He's not as young as those two. The Buffalo Bills right now, they don't have that guy. I mean, hell, the Baltimore Ravens don't. You could make an argument that Detroit and Green Bay are the two best teams in the NFL. The Indianapolis Colts. You know, I know you referenced talking to a first place gm. Maybe it was Chris Ballard. Listen, they don't have a defensive player you got to scheme for, do they?

[Colin Cowherd]

No, no, no.

[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

That's what I'm aware of.

[Colin Cowherd]

No, no. If I'm Indianapolis, I absolutely would give up a first round pick for Miles Garrett.

[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

Absolutely cost you more than that because.

[Colin Cowherd]

They get their quarter. Oh, no, no, no. And I like TJ but he's not Miles right now.

[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

Right?

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[Colin Cowherd]

No, my. If I Indianapolis. I bet you they've called on Miles Garrett. I bet you Ballard has. The question is Cleveland probably wants to two first round picks and the Colts probably want to give up one. And Cleveland could use another receiver. We'll give you Pierce and we'll give you a number one pick. You give us Miles Garrett. That's probably what that sounds like.

[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

I would rather give up Pearson. Anthony Richardson. The Steelers need a quarterback next year. Anthony Richardson.

[Colin Cowherd]

No, no, no. GM thinks that's the answer.

[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

All right, let's move on to Lamar Jackson. It's official. He's in at quarterback this week for the Ravens Thursday Night Football against Miami. He says every game going forward is must win.

[Mike Tomlin]

Coach pretty much touched on that, talking about that with us in our team meeting. You know, each and every game gonna be like a win or go home game. You know, we started off first season ever starting off like this slow, so we're gonna have to just do or die right now each and every week.

[Colin Cowherd]

They're going to go on a run, baby. Yeah, they're going to go on a run again.

[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

You could get exotic. I think the Ravens are a great teaser leg. I don't see them losing this game, but I don't necessarily know that they win by eight or more. I mean, I think this is a get right spot. Would you Agree for Baltimore?

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, I think what I saw this past weekend was a lot of favorites winning big and I see a bunch of favorites. They're going to win big again, including Baltimore. Now there are some dogs I like the commanders on Monday night against Seattle getting three and a half. I like that dog. There are a couple of dogs I like, but it feels like J. Mac, you and I talked about this last year that the NFL last year for the first time in my life felt a little like the NBA with a bottom like 6 to 7. Teams are unwatchable and not very viable after the first six weeks, first six weeks of the NBA or NFL season, the bad teams can fool you. Right now I think Chicago Bulls are fooling people, but eventually you'll go on a 5, 6 game losing streak because a lack of personnel and you become kind of unwatchable and not not a great team. Right. Same in the NFL this past weekend you saw some defenses look like they quit, like they just didn't have dudes. And and so trade deadline is a chance for the good teams to get better and the bad teams to get worse. Now think about that. That's what the trade deadline is. The good teams will give you capital to get a better player. So you think Tennessee's bad now? You think New Orleans isn't good now take out Alvin Kamara. So the gap between good and not good in the NFL last year and this year is starting to feel very NBA. And this weekend I think Baltimore cruises tomorrow.

[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

It's interesting because Miami isn't being talked about as a seller, but maybe they should be. I guess the problem is we don't know who GM or the coach are going to be next year. I think the jets are in that category of really rotten teams, right? The Bengals. Yeah, there's a lot of them. You're right. It's not great. Final story Colin let's go to the Bears. Chicago Bears. Tough loss to Tyler Huntley in Baltimore. The offense was not very good and the penalty problem continues. 10 different players combined to commit 11 penalties. That was the seventh time in seven games this season the Bears had more penalties than their opponent. Ben Johnson talked about the penalty woes.

[Mike Tomlin]

We're on a mission here this week to get this all cleaned up and I have complete confidence that we'll do that. We've talked about it with the players. We'll certainly make sure that they understand, especially now that we lost a game and the penalties were a big culprit as to why we didn't have the success we wanted.

[Dan Morgan]

To.

[Mike Tomlin]

I think.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, now. You know, it's funny. I talked to a Bears fan. I was just one yesterday. I talked to one and he goes, it's very painful for us and quarterbacks. And I said, it's not all bad news. They're good on the opening drive. Roma, Dunze and Caleb have a real relationship and they're getting sacked about half as much. It's not doom and gloom. This team is better than last year offensively. The downside is they're not necessarily great on third down. They don't complete many passes like last year and their operations are clunky with penalties. But it's. I don't know. I look at this game this weekend. I have gone against the Bears the last couple of weekends. I like Chicago at Cincinnati. I like Chicago.

[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

Do you want to wait for the injury report? Because if they don't have guys in the secondary to cover Chase and Higgins, Flacco is going to torch them. But I do agree the Bears offense should. I mean, The jets had 500 yards against the Bengals. The Bears have a better offensive mind at Ben Johnson.

[Colin Cowherd]

This, this is. I think this is going to be. Also, Chicago was pretty inept offensively, so they got to look themselves in the mirror. They're facing a team with better personnel. They got a better defense than Cincinnati. Cincinnati's home field advantage is not a thing.

[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

Irrelevant.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, it's so my, my take is this is a Bears weekend. Bears win this weekend by a field goal or more.

[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

Interesting. I don't hate it. I haven't really considered this game because it's just two rotten teams.

[Mike Tomlin]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Jay Mack on the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the herd lie news. So it was interesting. Michael Jordan is part of NBC's coverage for the NBA now, and he called out load management. Load management. For the uninitiated, here is when mostly star players just decide, I don't want to play. I'm tired. I don't like it at all. There's things about the NBA I love. I've been watching it since the early 70s. I can't stand load management because I grew up in a small town, three hours from an NBA arena, and I got to go to a game about every other year. That's what we could afford. And I wanted to see Jack Sigma and I wanted to see Downtown Freddie Brown. And so you're dry, you know, you're driving to the arena and your stars aren't there. So I don't like it. And there's no data to prove that it works. So between the 90s and 2020 we went and looked the average number of games missed in the 90s by star players, 10 a year. It is ballooned to 24 two and a half times. And there is no medical benefit. The NM NBA did studies on it. There is no medical benefit on sitting. It's all nonsense. So in the NBA media, which in my opinion tends to be too accommodating to star players, won't press players on it. Now LeBron as we show a picture of LeBron. LeBron doesn't bother me. LeBron's been carrying the league for 15 years. It's more the Kawhi thing. And what I really think load management is, it's selfish. Sort of like what Terry Rozier did or Damon Jones or Chauncey Billups. It's selfish to do that. Throw your teammates under a bus to make 10,000 bucks. The basketball culture is a lot of me and not a lot of we. And it's why the NBA is so popular on Instagram. Instagram is a look at me platform and it's wildly popular for NBA players. Is it narcissists checking out narcissists? I don't know. But Adam Silver admitted we are a highlights league. And what that tells you is the fans are load managing NBA viewing. You're not going to commit to us, then we won't commit to watching three hour games. And so I don't think there's an individual to blame. I mean Greg Popovich was doing this years ago. He didn't like the NBA schedule and all the back to backs. But I would say what the irritating part of load management to me is the all star break is now longer. There are almost no back to backs. So the league has been over backwards to extend the all star break. Have fewer back to backs. I'm okay with old guys missing games or injury prone guys like Embiid can miss a game. LeBron doesn't want to play back to back. Barkley didn't want to play back to back end of his career. I'll give those guys passes. But young stars under 33, 34, what are we doing here? So I and I and I and I here's Adam Silver recently admitting it's a highlight league.

[J. Mac]

There's a huge amount of our content that people can essentially consume for free. I mean this is very much a highlights based sport, you know. So you know, Instagram, TikTok, you know, Twitter, you name it, any service. You know, the New York Times for that matter. To the extent that your content is not behind a paid firewall, there's an enormous amount of content out there. YouTube by another example.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, I would say there's an enormous amount of content everywhere. But be that as it may, David Stern years ago said, you know, we're a highlight league. Adam Silver echoed it. That's not what bothers me. What bothers me is load management. Think about this. There were several Major League Baseball All Stars. They play outdoors. You ever been outdoors in St. Louis in the summer? Cincinnati, Kansas City, Cleveland? It's charming. Several All Stars played 162 of 162 games. Cal Raleigh's a catcher wearing what, 20 pounds of gear? He played 159. Okay, 11 total NBA players played every game last year. None of them stars. So you can do it. They're just choosing not to. And so Michael Jordan's right. There's no medical benefit at all. And what you're noticing is the highest paid stars are the ones that don't want to play every night. Again, I'll defend Lebron carry the league for 15 years. He's older. You know, I've said before, the two groups of people in the NBA I will defend not playing. When you get somebody over seven feet, the body's not meant to be seven three. If a Chet Holmgren comes into the league or a Wemby first couple years as you're growing and getting strength, play 55, 60 games. Reward the home fans. If you're going to punish anybody, punish the road fans. Take care of the home fans. So I said when Wemby came out, 7 foot 4 is hard on the body. Like, like let's go. I said it. Chet Holmgren 55, 65 and it may be tops at 72, 74. It's just a different body. Big guys get hurt early. They get hurt often. I'll defend those young body types early in their career and then stars that have carried the league late. If Steph Curry wants to play 72, not 82, I'm okay with it. Just reward Warrior fans. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific. Introducing your new Dell PC. Powered by the Intel Core Ultra processor, it helps you handle a lot. Even when your holiday to do list gets to be a lot because it's built with all day battery plus powerful AI features that help you do it all with ease. From editing images to drafting emails, to summarizing large documents to multitasking so you can organize your holiday shopping and make custom holiday decor and search for great holiday deals and respond to holiday requests and customer questions and customers requesting custom things. And plan the perfect holiday dinner for vegans, vegetarians, pescatarians and Uncle Mike's carnivore diet. Luckily, you can get a PC that helps you do it all faster so you can get it all done. That's the power of Dell PC with Intel inside backed by Dell's price match guarantee. Get yours [e-mail] holiday terms and conditions apply. See dell.com for details.

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[Dan Morgan (host/interviewer)]

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[Colin Cowherd]

Say hi Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey. How's it going today?

[Dan Morgan (host/interviewer)]

It's going good man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

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[Dan Morgan (host/interviewer)]

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[Dan Morgan]

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[Dan Morgan (host/interviewer)]

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[Mike Tomlin]

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[Dan Morgan (host/interviewer)]

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[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

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[Colin Cowherd]

So J. Mac and I have a disagreement. So I, I like Michael Jordan's belief, which is just play 82 games, play hard, give it everything. Steak and potatoes every night. Literally. Cards in the back of the plane burn bright. I think I'd rather have the Marlon Brando career, which is like seven hits, handful of bombs, not a bunch of B level hits. I would rather go big shots, end quickly, be a legend. Your argument with Michael Jordan is he.

[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

Should have load managed 100,000%. Colin, he played 13 seasons with the Bulls, two with the Wizards. He only played 15 seasons. Now we could argue, hey man, maybe he burned too bright. If he didn't do 82 games a year for five straight seasons, we would have had more Michael Jordan. LeBron's about to start whenever he gets healthy. Here you're 23. I think it's smart to play 65, 70 games a season and extend your career by, I don't know, seven, eight years. I mean, Colin, honestly, you wouldn't want more Michael Jordan if it meant, hey man, sorry you're not playing in November against the expansion Hornets. You know, sorry you're sitting out of February back to back. Like that's just smarter basketball. We're getting more Steph Curry. Steph Curry is going to have a longer career, I don't know, by like four or five years than Michael Jordan. Like that's insane.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know, it's a really interesting. Because obviously what makes Brady great isn't sheer talent. It's longevity and production over those years. But when people look at, you know, a lot of people are like, well, Dan Marino or Aaron Rodgers and, and I've always said that Tom was a lot more talented than people give him credit for his. He had an elite arm, elite brain, big, strong, drafted by a major league baseball team. Tom was a much better athlete than anybody gave him credit for. He just wasn't nimble. He grew up in the pocket world, in the pocket era and he was the best pocket quarterback of all time. But it's interesting. My take is the greatest legend in the history of the Dodgers is Sandy Koufax. Sandy Koufax had like three unbelievable years and three other great years. He's the greatest, I mean, in the Dodgers history of all the Dodgers, Koufax is the ultimate legend. He had a very short career. I mean, don't even count the Washington years. Basically Michael had just two great three year runs and he's the biggest basketball legend. If you look at the greatest actors, it's not about this catalog of performances. What are your four best movies? You could even throw in Stinkers with Brando. So I think in the entertainment space, legends are made on great not extension. They're not made on volume. They're, they're, they're built on, they're built on. What were you at your best? Ohtani, in the last week has had two of the greatest games ever by a baseball player. If Ohtani retired at the end of this season, he would still be called. He's the greatest baseball player of all time.

[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

That's because we never get to see them age and struggle, right? I mean the great pop culture, Marilyn Monroe is a big time legend. James Dean, these guys, we never got to see them in their 40s or 50s. You know, they're in their prime and that's how we remember them. All anybody remembers is Jordan's prime. Do they remember the Washington Wizards years? Because by the way, LeBron's flourishing as an All NBA player in his 40s and the Tom Brady argument kind of kills that. Like Brady played forever. I mean there's people who think Brady could suit up now and go out there and get a team into the playoffs and I don't know, maybe make a run to the Super Bowl. Like LeBron is always going to do that. And I wish we had more Jordan. I wish he hadn't quit twice.

[Colin Cowherd]

By the way, who's the, who's the best running back of all time?

[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

Probably Barry Sanders, right?

[Colin Cowherd]

Retired at 30. Sandy Koufax retired at 30. Now Koufax played for 12 years in the bigs, but he had like six great years. The best pitcher, the best running back retired at 30, so, by the way, they got their pension, they got money. They're still legends.

[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

The highlight reel.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, everything. So, you know, I. I don't know. I just. I. I love Jordan's brand. Was best basketball player ever. Nobody cares about the years. I mean, I would argue that there's LeBron fatigue right now. Like, we're all kind of like, bro, it's, it's, it's whatever.

[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

I mean, he's putting up 25, 5, and 5 or whatever the numbers are.

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm, I'm. I'm not disputing it, but he's about 70% of what he was. What I don't want to see is Old LeBron, like this year's team. The owners have already made the deal. It's. It's Lucas team, everybody.

[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

I get that. What do you mean, you don't want to see old LeBron? Leonel Messi is thriving in MLS right now. Okay? He just signed a new deal.

[Colin Cowherd]

But the difference is playing. Yeah, he's a goal a minute. He's different. He has taken the lead. I mean, he's the best player. When you see him on the. He's still unbelievable. LeBron's not a top five player. I don't mind that he's playing. He's still very good. I don't want to see him in playing in three years. I don't. I don't want to see LeBron in three years. I like that. Now it's not my decision. Go for it.

[J. Mac]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

I mean, by the way, I thought there was a very interesting story in the Athletic today. AJ Brown discussing a relationship with Jalen Hurts. It's a fascinating article. This thing's not going to work. And A.J. brown's identity in this article is basically getting the football. He admits his words. He's a loner, struggles to make friends. His words. Well, Jalen Hurts is a more social animal. A.J. brown is a loner. It's oil and water. They're not adversaries. It's just never going to blend. AJ Brown is a little like Prince. He's never going to be part of a band. Remember, we are the World. He wanted to do his separately. Quincy Jones. Like, we're not going to do that. Like, some people are solo artists. And I think A.J. brown is that. I mean, I think he. I don't. They'll be a perfect fit with maybe any quarterback. But when you read this article, I mean, think about the Eagles more than any team in the league. Are Defined by ugly and a collective. The Tush push. Ugly is playing football, but it's really team football. Everybody going in one direction. And there's AJ Brown, last week didn't play best offensive performance. So it's interesting when you read the article, you know, he's largely acknowledging he doesn't make friends easily. You know, his dopamine, the article says, is getting the football in his hands. And it's a, it's a really interesting article. And he is a really odd fit. It is not. You don't have to be an enemy or an adversary. Some stuff doesn't fit, some personalities don't fit. Here's Nick Ceriani on. Kind of hoping the AJ Brown thing works itself out.

[Nick Ceriani]

You know, I've almost forgot about what happened a couple weeks ago. You know, just working on ways to get better. I know he wants to do everything he can do to get back out there. We're excited to be able to get him back. You can only, you can only judge things off your interactions and how they are in the building. And AJ's been great in the building. In my interactions, I'm always in communication with all our guys, you know, obviously AJ as well, and so looking forward to when he can get back.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, it's, you know, you have sympathy for him reading the article, like his words. He's like, I have, I have, I don't have difficulty. I love some teammates, but I don't really make friends. And he's kind of a loner. And I mean, Philadelphia is one of those teams. It's, it's. I mean, the GM's the most important person. It's sort of a. I mean, when Chip Kelly came to Philadelphia, he had a winning record and got fired because Chip was doing things his own way. Chip had his own identity. He was the guy that changed football, sped it up. Chip didn't really fit in Philadelphia. He won in Philadelphia with B level quarterbacks and C quarterbacks. He didn't fit in Philadelphia. Howie Roseman, Philly guy feels like Philadelphia. It's very much a collective and AJ is kind of a loner. So. Good article. Really interesting, well written. The athletic try it out.

[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

Colin, can I ask you on A.J. brown real quick? So he's been in Philadelphia for four seasons. They've been to two Super Bowls.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

And he's been all. Probably three times.

[Colin Cowherd]

Everybody's got.

[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

I think it's working. Don't you think that qualifies? Working?

[Colin Cowherd]

I think with high maintenance receivers. DK Metcalf was working in Seattle.

[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

Well, no, no, no, no, no, no. They didn't get to know Super Bowl.

[Colin Cowherd]

No, no, no. But he was highly productive and now he's a Steeler. And Seattle found a new number one who's more of a team guy. So everybody's got. I mean, there's just. Doesn't matter what business it is. DK Metcalf was a great Seahawk and then he wasn't. And then they've got a new number one guy that is closer in age to the rest of his offensive teammates. And so, you know, Green Bay Aaron Rodgers, very effective Green Bay worn out the welcome. Pat Riley always said this coaches have about 10 years. Then the message, you know, it's. It's white noise. It it players don't listen. Joel class around the corner Banking with.

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Mike Tomlin]

I pulled up real quick.

[Dan Morgan]

He was about to leave on tour. You're about to jump in your tour bus, and we had like three hours.

[Colin Cowherd]

It was really cool. He really just like randomly showed up to my house. I'm like, oh, hey, Diplo, what are you doing? He's like, I have a song that I want to show you. And I was like, okay, you can.

[Bobby Bones]

Listen to the full episode out now, wherever you get your podcast. And big shout out to my friends at Hyundai for making this possible. Had a blast cruising around festival weekend in the all new Palisade hybrid.

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[Colin Cowherd's co-host (possibly Nick Wright)]

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