THE HERD - Hour 1 - Bo Nix landed at the right place, Sean Payton is making a difference, Dolphins made a big mistake

Summary

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd

Episode Date: September 30, 2025
Hour 1 Summary
Main Theme: NFL Week Recap – Bo Nix’s fit in Denver under Sean Payton, transformation of the Broncos, Dolphins’ complacency, the Jets’ dysfunction, Cowboys' Micah Parsons trade, and rapid-fire takes on major NFL and MLB headlines.

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Quick Overview

Colin Cowherd and Jason McIntyre open with a deep dive into the Denver Broncos’ dramatic turnaround with rookie QB Bo Nix under head coach Sean Payton, highlighting coaching impact and team culture change. They compare struggling franchises—the Jets and Dolphins—while critiquing their respective downfalls. Other headline topics include the Cowboys’ controversial Micah Parsons trade, A.J. Brown’s fit and frustrations in Philadelphia, Ravens’ injury woes, and a discussion of Brock Purdy’s struggles and positional value in the NFL. The episode closes with thoughts on baseball’s rising popularity and rule changes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bo Nix and Sean Payton – The Perfect Pairing

Segment Starts: [02:43]

• Cowherd lauds Sean Payton’s impact on Denver, comparing him to iconic "turnaround artists" like Parcells and Harbaugh:
  • “Turning a football team around is hard, but it's not that hard. There's a reason Parcels did it over and over and over…” — Colin Cowherd [03:31]
• Notes Payton’s unique skill in personnel and offense, distinguishing him from other celebrated coaches.
• Bo Nix benefits from playing for Payton; Nix’s arm strength and intensity draws high praise:
  • “I love Bo Nix. Watch how hard he throws the ball…he throws them into congested areas. He’ll go right after people.” — Colin [04:30]
• Comparison to Drew Brees’ early struggles with Payton, attributing learning curves to the sheer volume Payton puts on his quarterbacks’ plates.

Notable Quote:

“Sean Payton took over Denver… they were 5 and 12. Worst scoring offense in the league… Start of year three, great O line, two capable running backs. Dudes everywhere on the perimeter.” — Colin Cowherd [03:39]

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2. Denver’s Roster & Process vs. Dysfunctional Teams

Segment Starts: [06:44]

• Denver’s transformation touted as a template for rapid improvement (good o-line, skill players, defensive pressure).
• Contrast with the Jets and Dolphins:
  • Jets: “bad because they make really poor choices… too many voices upstairs… they have urgency, but they can’t get out of their own way.” — Colin [07:43]
  • Dolphins: “too loyal to average people… Their standards aren’t very high… They’re really okay winning eight, nine games.” — Colin [08:35]
• Criticizes Dolphins for sticking with GM Chris Grier, QB Tua, and even Tyreek Hill despite warning signs.
• Compares to Miami Heat as a local franchise with higher standards and willingness to make bold moves.

Notable Quote:

“The Jets want to win, but they make terrible choices and do nothing well. The Dolphins actually do offense pretty well... But why is Miami settling?” — Colin Cowherd [09:46]

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3. The Jets’ Freefall and Rebuilding Question

Segment Starts: [12:42]

• Jason McIntyre suggests the Jets should “start moving off defensive players” and initiate a rebuild:
  • “Go ahead and start accumulating draft picks. I like offensive pieces… but you gotta be good at something.” — Jason [12:42]
• Colin stresses the need for teams, even losing ones, to identify a “calling card” or strength (offensive, defensive).
• Conversation shifts to the Jets’ draft outlook; Colin prefers Dante Moore over others like Simpson for their future QB.

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4. Cowboys Move Micah Parsons – Defensive Valuation

Segment Starts: [18:13]

• Colin defends Dallas trading Micah Parsons:
  • “Edge rushers do not equal Super Bowls… the most important defensive lineman is the interior defensive lineman…” — Colin [18:38]
  • Argues left tackle, QB, and HC are the true cornerstones.
• Details cap management and strategic flexibility gained in the deal, emphasizing interior pressure’s disruptive value over edge rushers.

Notable Quote:

“Edge rushers do not equal Super Bowls. Let me list the highest paid edge rushers… a lot of guys that don’t even sniff the playoffs.” — Colin Cowherd [18:38]

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5. A.J. Brown’s Fit and Frustrations with the Eagles

Segment Starts: [23:34]

• Discusses A.J. Brown’s lack of impact and public frustration with his role.
• Colin sympathizes, framing wide receivers as having short “windows” to establish legacy:
  • “If you are a Pro Football player and a wide receiver… you got about six years of prime…” — Colin [24:27]
• Debate between Colin (emphasizing legacy) and Jason (emphasizing team success) on how Eagles should manage Brown’s discontent.

Notable Quotes:

“I think he’s very frustrated. I don’t think he’s a great fit. I don’t think this quarterback and him…” — Colin Cowherd [25:18]
"I'm sorry. I go to the Eagles on if I'm the Eagles. Hey, we need you to win another Super Bowl. We're just not going to force-feed you when we don't need to." — Jason McIntyre [28:22]

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6. Ravens’ Injury Crisis, AFC North Outlook

Segment Starts: [28:51]

• Baltimore’s defensive injuries (Matabuike, Roquan Smith, Marlon Humphrey) and Lamar Jackson’s status put them at risk.
• Harbaugh’s response:
  • “I’m concerned, but I’m not overwhelmed by it... we've got to do a great job of putting together a great game plan and a great practice and then a great game.” — John Harbaugh [29:34]
• Colin notes both Harbaugh brothers are dealing with major injury issues, says Aaron Rodgers and Steelers may surprisingly benefit in the division.

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7. Bengals, Jamar Chase, and Coaching Critique

Segment Starts: [32:17]

• Jamar Chase’s visible frustration caught on video; Colin and J-Mac both critique HC Zach Taylor’s leadership:
  • “You and I have gone many rounds over this guy. This guy is an embarrassment… He never comes ready for action.” — Jason McIntyre [33:20]
• Colin characterizes Bengals as cheap, under-resourced:
  • “If you take Joe Burrow out of this franchise, they can’t function. It’s just a bad franchise with a cheap owner, a small scouting department.” — Colin [33:30]

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8. Brock Purdy’s Ceiling & The Myth of the “Story” QB

Segment Starts: [39:57]

• Colin cautions fans not to romanticize low-drafted QBs:
  • “Don’t fall in love with stories. There’s a difference between stories and reality.” — Colin [40:11]
• Points out Purdy’s high interception numbers (college and NFL) and limited physical “traits” as warning signs; contrasts him with Sam Darnold’s actual in-game production.
• Explains most star QBs are, in fact, first-rounders, with late-round success stories being outliers.
• Addresses Brock’s injury and durability concerns, drawing comparison to Tua:
  • “Josh Allen doesn’t get hurt. Patrick Mahomes doesn’t get hurt. Favre didn’t get hurt. Tua’s hurt a lot. Brock is again banged up…” — Colin [49:16]

Notable Exchange:

“I think you’re going a little overboard on a guy coming back from shoulder and toe injuries and missing a bunch of dudes. I know you’re waiting for Brock to screw up.” — Jason McIntyre [50:43]

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9. Baseball’s Resurgence & Embracing Change

Segment Starts: [44:27]

• Colin applauds MLB’s new rules, faster games, more offense, likening the league’s approach to Hollywood blockbuster pivots:
  • “Baseball leaned into offense… they actually made a Hollywood pivot. More superheroes in blockbusters, and only a two-and-a-half hour runtime.” — Colin [43:53]
• Notes that TV ratings are up across the board.
• Says: “Don’t play to traditionalists in any industry… more baserunners, more action. Big stars, big markets. Shorten the games. It’s all worked.” [44:54]

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Colin Cowherd on Coaching Turnarounds:
  “Turning a football team around is hard, but it’s not that hard… Some people are smarter. Some people have a better eye for talent.” [03:31]
• On Dolphins’ Complacency:
  “Why is Miami settling? The Jets aren’t satisfied being lousy. They’re just incapable of fixing it. The Dolphins are really okay winning eight, nine games. They’re just okay being okay.” [09:54]
• On Cowboys and the Parsons Trade:
  “Edge rushers do not equal Super Bowls… They’re not even the most important defensive lineman.” [18:38]
• On Brock Purdy Mania:
  “Don’t fall in love with stories… you fell in love with Brock Purdy being the last guy drafted, but there’s a reason he was the last guy drafted…” [40:11]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:43] Broncos’ turnaround under Sean Payton, Bo Nix’s fit
• [06:44] Comparison of Broncos with Jets and Dolphins’ organizational issues
• [12:42] Jets’ outlook, trade strategy, and quarterback evaluation
• [18:13] Cowboys’ Micah Parsons trade—defensive positional value
• [23:34] A.J. Brown’s frustration in Philadelphia—player vs. team needs
• [28:51] Ravens’ injury crisis, AFC North shakeup
• [32:17] Bengals’ instability, criticism of Zach Taylor
• [39:57] Brock Purdy’s ceiling, QB draft analysis
• [44:27] MLB’s new rules, ratings boom, and the importance of embracing change

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Tone and Style

• Opinionated and candid. Colin blends sharp analysis, strong conviction, and a touch of humor.
• Conversational. Banter between Colin and J-Mac, featuring back-and-forth disagreements and friendly arguments.
• Direct and accessible. Complicated NFL themes are explained with analogies and plain language.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This hour is packed with insight into the NFL’s ongoing narratives—how coaching and organizational culture shape success, why chasing narratives over substance can backfire (see: Purdy, Jets, Dolphins), and how player valuation is constantly evolving in the league. The episode also zooms out to share optimism about baseball’s comeback and the power of bold change in sports leagues.

If you’re looking for hot takes plus smart context on this week’s top sports stories, Colin and J-Mac deliver a brisk, opinionated rundown—without holding back.

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Transcript

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[Colin Cowherd]

Here we go. It is a Tuesday, man. We got a lot to talk about in Chicago. It's the Herd, wherever you may be, however you may be watching or listening, whatever platform. One hour from now, the herd hierarchy. Nick Wright stops by. J. Mac, you know I love Bo Nix and Sean Payton. I picked them to win their division. But Sean Payton's history is he's 30 and 30 and set September. He loads up the offense. He loaded it up with Drew Brees, who struggled early with Sean Payton. He loads it up with Bo Nicks. There's a lot of mistakes until last night.

[Jason McIntyre]

Beating Jake Browning. Yes, here we go. Get excited.

[Colin Cowherd]

So turning a football team around is hard, but it's not that hard. There's a reason Parcels did it over and over and over. There's a reason Harbaugh does it over and over and over. Some people are smarter. Some people have a better eye for talent. It's not that hard. Sean Payton took over Denver. They were in cap hell. Russell Wilson is still their number one cap hit today. They were 5 and 12. Worst scoring offense in the league. Lousy offensive line, very little skill today, start of year three, great O line. Two capable running backs. Dudes everywhere in the perimeter. How many guys do they have that can run and catch? A lot. They'll also lead the NFL in sacks for the second straight year. I love Bo Nicks, but he got lucky getting Sean Payton from play calling to play design. He's one of the few coaches in the NFL that is very good with personnel. He and Harbaugh, no personnel. A lot of good coaches. Kyle Shanahan, Andy Reid, I don't think are great with it or don't care about it. Peyton's great at it. So nine different guys caught a ball. Everybody's almost got the same body type. Lean, long with good hands. They run good routes. It is a Super bowl roster. I mean, you watch the jets with their new coach. What do they do well? What are they? Do they do anything? Well, Broncos do a lot. Well, if you lead the NFL in sacks yet you have perhaps the great play caller and designer next to Andy Reid. And you've got all sorts of wide receiver talent on the outside now. I love Bo Nicks. Watch how hard he throws the ball. His velocity. Unlike a lot of these young quarterbacks, he throws the ball down the field. And because of that, Sean Payton puts a ton on his plate. He throws it down the field. A lot of these young quarterbacks dink, dunk, dink, dunk. No. Look at how often when he throws it out into the flat. A running back or a receiver or tight end doesn't have to wait for It. And again, he makes hard throws. He'll throw them into congested areas. He'll go right after people. He's intense. He kind of reminds me of the opposite of Drew Locke. It is all business, all the time. Hard throws, not messing around. He'll bark at Sean Payton, and Sean Payton will bark back. And Sean is a great coach, but he's not easy to play for as a quarterback. Go back to Drew Brees. Drew Brees, second year in the turnaround in New Orleans, second year, had his worst passer rating of his career. That's why Sean's record in September is just okay, 30, 30. Because he puts so much on the plate of his quarterbacks. So it is hard to turn around. Denver people do not understand. Russell Wilson is still their number one cap hit. It was a mess. They gave up draft capital. They gave up all those picks at a terrible offensive line. They had like Cortland, Sutton and a lot of nonsense. You look at them now, it is velocity on both sides. That's what Harbaugh did. 32nd defense to number one. Same guys a year later. So coaching works at Mile High and the sea level. It's about the process. It's about intensity. Coaches do it differently. But the Broncos, my AFC west champion pick, back to form, cut down on the mistakes and buried a hapless Bengals team here.

[Sean Payton]

Sean, obviously, early in the season, all of all 31 other teams are really working to figure out who they are. We're no different, but it certainly was a step in the right direction. There were a lot of things that we were able to do tonight that that hopefully can carry over. Now we change quickly to a team that just finished winning the Super Bowl. So we'll enjoy this one and then get back to work tomorrow.

[Colin Cowherd]

I mean, just remember how bad this thing was. He had Nathaniel Hackett. The offensive line was atrocious. Clock management was embarrassing. The ownership group was looking to sell the gm I liked. He's still around, but there wasn't. They didn't do much. Well, and I mean literally. Sean Payton rebuilt the offensive line before he coached the game. He rebuilt it in the first off season. You got some of these teams in the NFL, they're like on year five of rebuilding the offensive line. Sean McVay, Jim Harbaugh, Sean Payton, Andy Reid, over and over and over, rebuild O lines overnight. So I just think Denver is one of those five or six rosters in the NFL that look different. Just more speed, more skill. Broncos coast. All right, the game that started before that game, jets and Dolphins so these are two bad organizations for, in my opinion, two very different reasons. The jets are bad because they make really poor choices. There's too many voices upstairs. They make poor choices. I mean, they fired Robert Saul, the best coach on their staff. They fired him as he was preparing his team to play a game against Buffalo that had he won, he would have been in first place. You kept him for three and a half years, that's when you're going to fire him. They just make poor choices. Head coaches, GMs, quarterbacks, they have patience, but they can't get out of their own way. They have urgency. They just make bad choices. The Dolphins are different. The Dolphins are rarely awful. 60% of the time in the last 15 years, they win seven, eight or nine games. They're not awful. The Dolphins, Dolphins are just too loyal to average people. Their standards aren't very high. I mean, Tyreek Hill has been banging on his coach and his quarterback for two years. Publicly. I said it last year. Move him, didn't. Now he's hurt. Tua, in the afc, the best teams play in cold windy weather in December and January. The Baltimores, the Kansas City's, the Cincinnati 2. Doesn't work. Move off him? No, they gave me a huge extension. How about Chris Greer, the gm? Been a GM for a decade. I think he's the longest tenured GM in the afc. He's got no playoff wins. Move on. Tyreek Tua, Chris Greer, too much patience. Go look at the Miami Heat. Excellence, top to bottom. They move. People don't want to play here. LeBron buy the Jets. The jets want to win, but they make terrible choices and do nothing. Well, the Dolphins actually do offense pretty well. They're never really terrible. They make some good hires, some good acquisitions. They have some good players. But I mean, why is Miami settling? The jets aren't satisfied being lousy. They're just incapable of fixing it. The Dolphins are really okay winning eight, nine games. They're just okay being okay. And that's what I see. I mean, I think you're. I think there's are two struggling franchises. And I think in Miami, they, they've still convinced themselves, you know, Mike McDaniel's smart. Well, Tua made a Pro Bowl. He hasn't been hurt lately. Well, Chris Greer, he's part of the family, okay? In a conference with Buffalo and Mahomes and Andy Reid and now Denver and now Herbert and Harbaugh, that's not good enough. The jets, they don't do anything. Well, I mean, Justin Fields, you gotta Watch the game. Doesn't throw the ball down the field. You know, great athlete, great kid. That's not a franchise quarterback. They're all in four. And here's, here's Aaron Glenn, who promised when he took over discipline, effectiveness, no more sloppy play. I'm very disappointed. And there's no way, way you can win any game with 13 penalties and three turnovers. It just can't happen. But what we have to do is go back to work. You know, we have to go. That's the only way that we can fix them. Yeah, it's. I mean, when Aaron Glenn got the job, the whole takeaway was, hey, we're not going to be like those guys. We're going to get discipline. It's not that they're losing. Remember when Dan Campbell with Jared Goff, excellent quarterback, took over Detroit? Go look at the first 10, 15 games. Awful. That's not it. But remember what that Detroit team was like. Do you remember when he first took over? I can remember going on the air in the first year and a half and they weren't good, saying, man, I don't think I've ever seen a team play this hard. They're not very good. The defense is atrocious, but, man, do they play hard. I can't even say that about the Jets. They're just, you got to do something, right? After four or five games. Even when Peyton took over Denver in the first year with Russell Wilson, he made Russell Wilson the best Russell Wilson could be. He fixed Russell Wilson to the level. You could fix Russell Wilson four or five games. I got to see stuff. I can't see a lot of penalties. I can't see a lot of nonsense. I can't see a lot of turnovers. I got to be able to point to something and go, oh, that defensive coach has a great defense. Now the defense is worse. So, J. Mack, you know, Mets fans tend to be jets fans in New York. So it has been a bad 48 hours in New York for Mets and Jet Guy.

[Jason McIntyre]

Very tough. The over did hit last night, so we were happy about that. But Colin, I honestly think the jets probably pick up the phone today and call like the Rams. Hey, you know, are you guys interested in Sauce Gardner? I start moving off defensive players. I know it's early. People don't know. We love Sauce Gardner. You're not going anywhere. Go ahead and start accumulating draft picks. I like the offensive pieces, right? You like Garrett Wilson, Breeze hall, offensive line.

[Colin Cowherd]

I like Allen, the other running back from Wisconsin.

[Jason McIntyre]

Allen.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. I think they have peace. I think they I'm not worried about talent. I just you have to show me something through four or five games. You got to be good at something. When Lincoln Riley took over usc, the offense was good. Immediately you got to be good at something. If you're a defensive coach, your defense can't look like that. That, that can't be what it looks like.

[Jason McIntyre]

Jets are going to battle the Saints and Titans for the number one pick and I think you said yesterday you like Dante Moore above Simpson from Alabama because the jets are going to start looking at quarterback like the evaluating starts now.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh yeah, Right. Yeah.

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[Colin Cowherd]

So I was a little perplexed at the overreaction to Jerry Jones Trading Micah Parsons and I've been as critical of The Cowboys as I think almost any national broadcaster. I I talked about the Cowboys. I follow this last year than any year but I thought the Micah Parsons move made a lot of sense. And, and let me explain this. There's three things you need to be a great team. A great head coach, a great quarterback, and to me, a great left tackle. The Rams had to rebuild with Andrew Whitworth retired. They were fine without Von Miller. They even made it fine without Aaron Donald. Although he was great. I would have moved Micah Parsons too. Edge rushers do not equal Super Bowls Let me list the highest paid edge rushers in the NFL currently. Micah, T.J. watt, Miles Garrett, Daniel Hunter, Max Crosby, Josh Hines, Allen, Brian Burns. A lot of guys that don't even sniff the playoffs. Yeah, Nick Bose has got some but yeah, so did everybody on those Niners. The overreaction is crazy. What you really want I have always argued that an edge rusher is the second most important defensive lineman. He's not even the most important defensive lineman. The most important defensive lineman is the interior defensive lineman because a it's a very rare body type. 6ft 1330 with great feet. There are edge rushers all over this league. Everybody's got every second team's got a great one. How many great interior defensive linemen are there? Chris Jones, Jalen Carter, not many. Reggie White, Aaron Donald, you can name them because there's been so few body types. The second thing is all quarterbacks hate pressure at their feet. Tom Brady never minded pressure on the outside. He'd step up. He hated pressure around his feet. So did Peyton Manning. So does Mahomes. So to me, when is Mahomes been blown out in the super bowl when he doesn't have a good left tackle. He's won Super Bowls without great receivers. He's run Super Bowls without great defenses. But when he's had bad left tackles. Patrick Mahomes, our most gifted quarterback's been blown off the field twice. Right. So to me move him and, and you know you're paying Dak a lot so you got to give Dak protection. They're trying to rebuild their own line. You got to give them a weapon. CD Lamb But I think Jerry Jones said it this week and we noticed in the Cowboys Green Bay game. I think Micah was great for Green Bay because they don't do well in free agency. It's kind of a boring town. Stars don't are not interested and they've drafted and developed so well they don't need a first round pick for a year or Two and they're also. Green Bay is a team because of their offensive greatness and efficiency. They're going to lead a lot of games with four minutes to go. They need a bullpen, they need a closer. So it's a good fit. Dallas doesn't lead as many games late. Dallas needs flexibility and draft capital and now they have four number one picks in the next two years. So I just. The overreaction to it and Jerry Jones talked about it yesterday. Dax on fire. You had to pay Dakota.

[Dak Prescott]

I've got to tell you that I think he's played well every game this year and well enough at quarterback for us to make the playoffs. And you talked about it before, singularly that he's capable of. If he continues to play like this and we can keep putting it together and, and paste it up there, then we've got a chance. It's very simple. Dak was indispensable in my mind and so yes. And Michael Watson and he's right.

[Colin Cowherd]

There are great edge rushers everywhere. The Bengals have two great receivers. They couldn't even make the playoffs last year. They couldn't be one of the 14 best teams in the league with Joe Burrow. So this idea that you can't move Micah Parsons. I remember years ago talking to Bill Poly in a gm he said when we drafted Peyton Manning we knew we would lead games late in the fourth quarter so we had to get an edge rusher. We needed a closer in our bullpen. The reason Mariano Rivera is the all time great because the Yankees led so many games in the eighth inning. The Oakland A's could have a great closer. They trail in most of those. So Michael works for Green Bay. They lead late all the time. It's like a Peyton Manning's Colts. LaFleur Jordan, love those receivers. They usually have good old lines. They need somebody to close, make a big play. Dallas wasn't in that spot. Dallas needed flexibility. Dallas couldn't even pay 8 million bucks for Derrick Henry. I mean Jerry Jones is a dealmaker for two free agent periods. He didn't do anything he wanted to. So this Green Bay, Dallas game is an example is that with if Dax playing like this and you go into the next draft with two first round picks and you don't need a quarterback in seven teams in the league, including the two we watched last night. Miami, New York and maybe Cincinnati, who knows? Burroughs hurt again. Dallas is going to turn those two number one picks. It could turn it into six other picks. J Mac with the news. No, no, no. Turn on the news.

[Jason McIntyre]

This is the Herdline news. All right, Colin, let's get started with A.J. brown and the Eagles. Obviously Philadelphia's second half output, or lack thereof against the Bucs was, was embarrassing and AJ Brown was a non factor in the game against Tampa. He caught two passes for 7 yards on nine targets. Then he put out that cryptic tweet after the game. Nick Sirianni, he's downplaying all of it.

[Nick Sirianni]

Colin, AJ Is very important to this football team. You know, I know he wants to contribute, I know he wants to contribute and you know, do the things that he's capable of doing. He wants to contribute into, into these wins and he's had a couple games where he hasn't been able to, you know, and for different reasons of why we have it in these games.

[Colin Cowherd]

I still, I'll still make an argument that for most careers, you're better served for most careers, working for a great company, being part of a great team and winning. But if you are a pro football player and a wide receiver and you're being tackled by big strong men, you got about six years of prime. Even Puka, as much as we love him, gets dinged up a lot. And that I think it'd be like asking Kobe Bryant only five shots. I'll back pro athletes, especially in really physical professions, you got a six year window to create your legacy. And I think he's very frustrated. I don't think he's a great fit. I don't think this quarterback in him not blaming anybody. Nine targets, seven yards, like it's, it is every three games out of four, they've got an A.J. brown issue. And I think he's like, I need more shots. I got about three more years of prime. And usually I'm, hey, you're winning games. Winning games is important. It's not the only thing for a pro athlete. Legacy matters too. There's a reason Tom Brady signed a big contract with Fox. He won a lot of games. He took pay cuts. He took pay cuts to win more. And to win more, you get offered more jobs. That's the reality post career. So I, I, I look at, I look at A.J. brown and I say these numbers are horrific.

[Jason McIntyre]

Wow. I, I'm a little surprised by this take. So, so just so I heard you correctly, like A.J. brown's got a legacy to protect. Hey man, I need the ball, I need stats. Is that where you go?

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm saying AJ Brown is a top three to four receiver in the sport. He gets targeted less than a backup tight end. He's as productive with a Jalen, hurts as a, as a number three tight end for Buffalo.

[Jason McIntyre]

So, you know, game script often dictates, you know, the target share. Remember against the Rams, they're trailing. Hey, we got to force feed A.J. brown. Let's get in the ball. And it worked. And they won. They're up 24.

[Colin Cowherd]

6.

[Jason McIntyre]

I believe against the Bucs, they're not throwing the football a lot. Hertz, I think, had zero passing yards in the second half. They didn't need it. They won't. So on some level, I would just be sitting around be like, bro, we're winning. We're the best team in the league. We just won the Super Bowl. What are you crying about? That would be my counter to A.J. brown.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, again, I think winning is really important, but it's one for when you have a career. It could be working in oil, Derek, if you have a shorter career, lawyers don't, doctors don't, you and I don't. But if you have a short six, seven year career, like, like let's say you're an astronaut in the space program. You're gonna get one opportunity in your entire career to get on that rocket. 1. So you have to be a little selfish if you want a legacy as being an all time great astronaut. You don't get six trips up there. NASA's not giving you six. So my take is we always bang on pro athletes. Oh, they're selfish. There are careers where there are timelines to be highly effective, and I think this is one of them.

[Jason McIntyre]

So what's the move? Do they go to him and say, aj, listen, honestly, this is nonsense. We threw you the ball nine times. It didn't happen.

[Colin Cowherd]

We won.

[Jason McIntyre]

Who cares? Do you want to. Do you want to be here, A.J. do you want to win another Super Bowl?

[Colin Cowherd]

And I would say if I was AJ Privately, if you want to move me, I'll be a good soldier giving you leverage in a trade negotiation. I will not go public. Remember when Lu Al Cinder moved out of Milwaukee? He made a decision a year before, but he was a good guy. He was a good steward. He said, listen, I'm not going to screw it up. I want you guys to get tons of players. And so he was unhappy the year before Milwaukee ended up doing about as well as you could do. And I think if I was A.J. brown, I'm like, I'm not going to screw the OR. Remember when Carmelo Anthony was in Denver and he's like, I got to be a Knick. Well, the Knicks had To give up so much to get him. He was an expensive chandelier in an empty mansion. There was nothing around him.

[Jason McIntyre]

Well, you've boxed him into a corner here because I'm usually pro player and your argument's interesting. I'm sorry. I go to the Eagles on if I'm the Eagles. Hey, we need you to win another Super Bowl. We're just not going to force feed you when. When we don't need to. Sorry. And if you want to cry about it and go on social media, that's you. But we want you here. We're not trading you.

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm.

[Jason McIntyre]

I'm. Why would I move off AJ Brown? Like you said, he's a top four receiver in the league. This is a tough spot for the Eagles.

[Colin Cowherd]

I.

[Jason McIntyre]

You. You can't move A.J.

[Colin Cowherd]

Brown. That, that, that.

[Jason McIntyre]

Anyways, all right, let's move on to the Ravens. They are 1 and 3 for just the second time in John Harbaugh's era. And bad news, Colin Lamar Jackson. We don't know his status for this weekend's game against the Texans in that nasty defense. However, we do know about two defenders. Matabuque. Sorry for butchering his name. He's out for the season. The defensive lineman, Roquan Smith, set to miss multiple weeks. He's an elite linebacker. I think he's the highest paid defender they have. And Marlon Humphrey, who's been burnt toast in the slot. You know, some people might say that's not a loss. Still, he's out for a few weeks. We don't know yet about Nate Wiggins, the young corner. Listen, Harbaugh, Baltimore's up the creek right now. Here's Harbaugh talking about it.

[John Harbaugh]

I'm concerned, but I'm not. I'm not overwhelmed by it. You know, we played the three losses against probably three of the top teams in the league for sure, you know, and that's just the hand we've been dealt.

[Colin Cowherd]

But.

[John Harbaugh]

But it doesn't really matter. We gotta win the next game. And then once you win the next game, then you have a chance to start stacking some wins. And that's what we've gotta do. Big picture wise, but small picture wise, we gotta do a great job of putting together a great game plan and a great practice and then a great game.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, it's both. Hardballs are dealing with major injuries right now, Jim. On the O line and the back end. I understand. You know, like, listen, Vikings, O line, Chargers, O line. You have major injuries to one unit. Baltimore's D line. I'm more concerned with Lamar Jackson playing Kansas City. I was concerned with the offense after the first series. He played poorly and I'm a huge Lamar fan. The defense will eventually get it right when they get somewhat healthier. But I think Baltimore is in a weird spot. You know, the winner in all this is Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers. I mean, seriously, Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, I know you can shake your head, but.

[Jason McIntyre]

No, you're right. You're right.

[Colin Cowherd]

Cincinnati's poorly run, Baltimore's falling apart, and Cleveland is basically looking ahead to next year. Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers are going to win this division.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, I'm going to look at the odds on that real quick. The line for Texans, Ravens was seven. It's down to three and a half. Okay. This is a trouble spot. Here's the worst news for Baltimore. They got the Rams after the Texans.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Jason McIntyre]

Then they got the buy. They could go into the buy one and five. Do you consider shutting down Lamar for a couple weeks here and then make a second half push? Because, well, is 1 in 5 too much of a hole or like the Steelers are not going to run away and high.

[Colin Cowherd]

No, because with Lamar, I could win every game in my division that I had I have remaining on the schedule. I mean, I mean, if you start looking at their games they, they could beat, you know, they, they got another game against Cleveland. They got the Bengals twice.

[Jason McIntyre]

They may face Jake Browning twice. That might be two. Browning.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. So, I mean, I, I think they're going to be so dominant in division if they're just decent on defense that eventually I, I wouldn't shut anything down.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah. I mean, their second half of their schedule. Look at that. Colin, Browns, Jets, Bangle. A. Browning, Steelers, Browning, May. Yeah, they're, they're going to win a lot of games. So maybe Lamar sits this week. Should we go back? Want to lock in for blazing five?

[Colin Cowherd]

No, I'll lock. I'll tell you a number. I'm going to lock in right now.

[Jason McIntyre]

Let's do it. Let's do it.

[Colin Cowherd]

Let's do. Let me give you a number. I'm going to lock in the Colts hosting the Raiders. What is the number at right now?

[Jason McIntyre]

Okay, let me.

[Colin Cowherd]

Six and a half. I'm locking in the Colts right now.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

What is that lineup?

[Jason McIntyre]

I'm seeing seven, Colin, but okay, I'm.

[Colin Cowherd]

Going to lock that in.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah. All right, let's go to the final story. Yeah, Final story real quick. Your Broncos, we got to revisit them. They blasted the Bengals. But, but, but look at this. Jamar Chase. Very Unhappy. And guess what? Head coach Zach Taylor has to calm him down. So last year it was Burrow, very unhappy. Now it's Jamar Chase, what the hell's going on? And he's popping off on the sideline. Now both of them are downplaying the interaction afterward. But Colin, you know, the video doesn't lie.

[Colin Cowherd]

Just talking about the possession, talking about what plays we can run and how can we know. We attack certain coverages and get out play, make us the ball.

[John Harbaugh]

He's just competitive. He just wants to win and comes across as emotional. But that's just, that's just a captain that works his tail off. All he wants to do is win the game. All he wants to do is affect the game. And oftentimes he feels like if I have the ball in my hand, I can do that. And I don't disagree with him.

[Colin Cowherd]

So, yeah, I don't get too worked up. I mean, there are certain players. I. Yeah, I mean, I, I think.

[Jason McIntyre]

Zach Taylor, you, you and I have gone many rounds over this guy Colin. This guy is an embarrassing. He's terrible. He's not a good football coach, man.

[Colin Cowherd]

He's capable. They're never going to buy him out. It's the cheapest franchise in the sport. They're not going to buy him out. This is why the Bengals are the Bengals. I mean, last night's a great example. If you take Joe Burrow out of this franchise, they can't function. It's just a bad franchise with a cheap owner, a small scouting department. They don't make deals. They're the opposite of the Eagles. They're not well funded, they're risk averse, they're totally dependent on their quarterback. They're the opposite of the Eagles.

[Jason McIntyre]

Okay, so let me ask you this, Colin. If, if I showed up for the show and I was ill prepared and I was fumbling my words and messing up everything, like three or four days a week, I would not be ready for the show. And that's a sign that I'm not locked in. That's Zach Taylor every week, basically in September for the last four years. I'm not even making that up. He never comes ready for action. And that to me is a sign that the coaching is just not very good.

[Colin Cowherd]

Did you see adjustments? He didn't have a lot of experience. I mean, you can argue about it. This is the Cincinnati Bengals. They just don't. They are cheap. They are a dollar store in a billion dollar global landscape. They're cheap. Look at their scouting department compared to Philadelphia's I mean the owner thinks he's the gm. Like it's it's crazy town. J Mac with the news.

[Jason McIntyre]

Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by.

[Colin Cowherd]

The Herd lie News Herd hierarchy top of the hour. The Raiders at the Colts is currently minus six and a half Colts. I'm locking that pick in. It's my favorite pick of the week. The Colts at home should have beaten the Rams. I think the Colts are really good. Minus six and a half against the Raiders who just Pete Carroll's infatuation with Geno Smith. I'll just never get it. All right, Major League Baseball is on a heater. Listen to this. ESPN's rating this year baseball up 21% fox up nine major league baseball network up 13% so the baseball playoffs start tonight. That and a yeah, like it's, it's. They figured it out. They sped the game up. They leaned into offense. It worked. That an alarming truth happening with Brock Purdy next?

[Jason McIntyre]

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FS1 baseball playoffs start tonight. You got some good ones. We got some really good ones. I'm taking the brewers over the Mariners and six brewers when the National League Mariners the American League. I'll take the Brewers. Their Bullpen leads, they don't lose them in six. So this Thursday, I would put this game in my blazing five. Rams hosting the Niners. Brock Purdy's got a banged up toe hurt again. Now we all know how I felt about Brock Purdy. I think Brock Purdy did an amazing job. But I've said this for years. Don't fall in love with stories. There's a difference between stories and reality. Y' all fell in love with Brock Purdy being the last guy drafted, but there's a reason he was the last guy drafted. He was smaller than you want and reckless. In his four years at Iowa State, he led the FBS and interceptions the entire sport. 139 teams. He led college football and picks this year, picks bad ones. You know what Bo Nix did at Oregon his last year? 45 touchdowns, three picks. He didn't throw any of them. And Bo Nix had five offensive coordinators in the four or five years he was in college football. So Brock Purdy is becoming Brock Purdy. He's reckless. He was reckless in college. That's why he fell to the last round. Since week seven last season, he has fewer passing touchdowns than Russell Wilson, a worse passer rating than Geno Smith and the second most interceptions in football. And since week seven of last year, Darnold's got a 103.1 passer rating. He's got a 90. Okay, so you could. The redemption story of Baker and Darnold were rooted in talent. Darnold's a big, strong, super athletic quarterback. Baker's got a big time arm and was a number one pick. You could have gotten those guys for 35 million a year. Purdy's gonna cost you 53. That's more than Josh Allen's cap hit. What are you doing? So I look at this with Brock Purdy. I like, I like stories too. Bedtime stories and a warm glass of milk. But you fell in love with the story. And Kyle Shanahan kind of likes quarterbacks that he can kind of control. Well, you can, but you watch Bo Nix last night. Bo Nix's velocity and his movement. Oh yeah, he's got Sean Payton. Bonix is a first round quarterback talent. So Sam, so is Baker. Watch the games. You can see it. And it's just interesting, the story. In San Francisco, they had a choice. Here it could have been Sam Darnold. He was in the building a couple years ago. So Sam Darnold has lost only three of his last 14 starts. And Brock Purdy since last week. Last year Week seven is four and seven. I'm not anti Brock Purdy, but I bang on this all the time. We all like stories. Don't fall in love with them. Don't fall in love. Like they're like, oh my God. This is, it's, there's a reason guys fall to the last pick in the seventh round. Size mechanics, reckless. There's, there's a reason for all this stuff. By the way they play the Rams and that defense Thursday. Here's Kyle Shanahan on Brock Purdy's injury.

[Kyle Shanahan]

Anytime guys are sore and hurting on a Monday, usually don't stress too much about it. But when anytime you have a Thursday game, it's a totally different element. So I'm concerned with anybody who's not totally healthy at this moment. But we'll have to get more information on that later today to really kind of have a clue of what to speculate.

[Colin Cowherd]

So, and listen, if you look at the whole redemption story this league, one of the most amazing stats about the National Football League, half the players think about this, are undrafted. Antonio Gates is a hall of Famer. He was undrafted. I mean that, that is happening all over this league. So it's amazing. But you can't fall in love with those stories. You can fall in like with them, but you pay Antonio Gates because by year two, about halfway through it, you're like, oh, whoa, this guy's dominant. Like Puka Nakua, fifth round talent. Sometimes you get lucky and some guys fall. But there's not a long list of great all time quarterbacks in the seventh. Now Kurt Warner, his story. You got great story and great talent. It does happen. I mean, Tony Romo, great story. Undrafted, really, really special talent. But I, I, most of your great court people always say this. Well, you can never figure out the NFL. I mean it's such a crapshoot with quarterbacks. Nonsense. That's nonsense. Best quarterback in the NFL right now. Mahomes, first rounder. Josh Allen, first rounder. Justin Herbert, first rounder. Joe Burrow, first rounder. They're all first rounders. Jalen Hurts. Ooh, he fell to second. He's also got the best roster in the league. So you start. Look, Jared Goff, first rounder. Baker, first rounder. Second Sam Darnold, first rounder. The majority, John Elway, Dan Marino, Aaron Rodgers, the overwhelming. The great quarterbacks in this league have all been first rounders. Kurt Warner is a complete outlier. Brady, you know, even Russell Wilson fell. Dak fell. But the reason Dak fell is he still doesn't usually if you look at the history of Dak Prescott, throw the greatest football. Leadership, toughness, iq, eq. That's Dak stuff. That's his magic. All right, so I said this before the break. It's pretty remarkable. Baseball did something that I always appreciate on this show. I talk a lot about it. Stop guys. Worry about being right. Get it right. Baseball made a series of bold, necessary moves the last few years. The data's in. They've all worked. The ratings are up for everybody. The games are faster. There's more base runners. There's more action. Big stars. In big cities like the NFL, baseball leaned into offense. Okay, Universe Universal dh. No more pitchers. Hitting bases are bigger. Defensive shift eliminated. Torpedo bats. Just like the NFL, they're rewarding fans and they've shortened the games. They, they actually made a Hollywood pivot. More superheroes in big in big blockbuster movies. And only a two and a half hour runtime. I love Ken Burns, but baseball can't be a Ken Burns. Civil War doc, where you slowly move in to a still photo. Action. Lots of it. Base runners. So tonight, Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, Reds. Late today, Cubs. Padres is the headliner. But I think what baseball did, they got out of the indie movie business. They knew the cinephiles, the movie freaks. They were going to show up the baseball traditionalists. They're not going to go anywhere. Baseball is part of their summer. They're not going anywhere. Do not play to traditionalists in any industry. Get out of the wonky politics, crime, border economy. That's what won it for Trump. Stay to the stuff most people care about. And in baseball, more baserunners, more action. Big stars, big markets. Shorten the games. It's all worked. The data is in. And again, this whole fear of the big markets dominate. Milwaukee is the best team in baseball. Milwaukee led baseball. There's so many ways to win in baseball. Now, Toronto and Milwaukee, your top seeds. They hit home runs, but they led baseball in singles, obviously the Yankees and the Dodgers. It's home runs. San Diego, big sticks, great bullpen. Same with Milwaukee, Seattle, Dodgers. I think I saw a stat. I don't think you can win a World Series with a bad bullpen. I think I saw a stat that The Dodgers blew 26 save opportunities. If you watch the Dodgers this year, they led a lot of games in the eighth inning. 26 times. They lost it. So what I think is fascinating is the Dodgers have the best roster and great offense and they had a bunch of home runs, which matters in baseball. You got to score quickly. You can't. You're facing the best pitching staffs and the best bullpens. You can't manufacture every run. You're not going to get four straight hits. You got to hit jacks. So that benefits the Dodgers and the Yankees greatly. But they got a bad bullpen and can't wait starts tonight. Herd hierarchy, top of next hour. J. Mac, you have not only had a bad couple of weeks of betting. The Brock Purdy thing, I know, stings a little.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yes, yes. Chomping at the bit.

[Colin Cowherd]

But will you. I think here's a more troubling thing is that. And is that availability matters. When Tua signed the extension, my take was, guys, Josh Allen doesn't get hurt. Patrick Mahomes doesn't get hurt. Favre didn't get hurt. Tua's hurt a lot. I'm not saying major injuries, but Brock is again banged up and unable to play. Last week, I think it was fairly obvious he was not right. Doesn't that worry you a little bit as a smaller quarterback?

[Jason McIntyre]

Not really, because he's outstanding. Okay, so first of all, number one, I know you had some stats on Brock struggling with interceptions in college. Just as a reminder, Jordan Love led Division 1 in interceptions in college. So for Jordan Love, it's, hey, fling it. No, risk it. No biscuit. He's got farve. But when Purdy does it, it's like, okay, remember.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay, contextualize it. Jordan loves big with a huge arm and he's a world class athlete. Brock Purdy's small. Okay. Arm, average athletically. Jordan loves trait. When I talk to GMs, it's all about traits. I mean, bright. If you go back to Bryce Young, the concern is small and spindly. But he won a ton in college. Josh Allen didn't, but they were like, he's six' six, 250 with a huge arm. NFL quarterbacks don't care about stats as much as they care about traits. Jordan Love is big, athletic, with a whip. That dude's got a arm of his.

[Jason McIntyre]

Big. He, he is a large quarterback. He lost them the game against the Browns. But anyways, real quick on the two Brock picks. So one was tipped by a defensive tackle, maybe because Brock is small. And the other was because Christian McCaffrey juggled it and it went into the arms of a Jacksonville defender. I know the fumble was on Brock, but I, I think you're going a little overboard on a guy coming back from shoulder and toe injuries and missing a bunch of dudes. I know you're waiting for Rock to screw up.

[Colin Cowherd]

Jordan Love is six four with ten ten and a half inch hands. Brock Purdy is six feet tall with nine and a quarter hand size. And that matters to GMs because when the ball gets wet. Yep, and that Brock Purdy has struggled when it's overcast. All right, Herd hierarchy top of hour two and Nick Wright two.

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Jason McIntyre]

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