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Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go on a Monday. You know, I'm trying to get management to give us a fourth and fifth hour. I can't squeeze all of it in. Three live. We're in Chicago. It snowed a little. Wear a coat. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. Colin right? Colin wrong. Plenty of both. One hour from now J. Mac I woke up. Little icing on the cake in Chicago. Put me in a mood for fall and winter. So there's this one question J. Mac as we start our show today, the eternal question with the Chicago Bears and the guys up north. The Green Bay packers always have an answer and Chicago never does. The eternal question for the Chicago Bears is why can't we figure quarterback out? I think you have. Now ironically, it's the defense that is hurting you. So let's talk Bears. Not having a spy against Jackson dart made no sense. The Giants don't have neighbors scatter boot. The weather was bad. How do you not have a spy against Jackson dart bad Coordinating by Dennis Allen. But the story of the day was again a fourth quarter comeback. Another one by Caleb Williams. And this is the thing. Jackson darts. Young and athletic, but for the fourth time in seven starts, Jackson darts in the concussion protocol tent. And Caleb never is. Two things that have always been true about Caleb Williams. Really durable, doesn't get hurt and he doesn't throw picks. Let me add a third. He's clutch and I don't know how to define it. I always felt this about Joe Burrow. I don't really know how to define it. I once asked Jimmy Johnson, Troy Aikman's a great leader. Can you define it? He goes, no, not really. You just know it when you see it. And that's what clutch is. If you start looking at Caleb Williams fourth quarter numbers in the four game winning drives, his passer rating is like 145. He's a better quarterback under duress, trailing. He's an unbelievable game winning drive. Fourth quarter quarterback. By the way, Bo, Nick's pretty good too, but this feels different. So his receivers were struggling. It was cold, and multiple times, even on some incompletions, Caleb would roll right and show off that arm. I'm not sure is there a better arm in the league. I think he holds the ball too long, but I think that's born out of confidence that, that you can't sack him with one body. You got to get multiple people on him. He's just too big, he's just too strong. Incredibly durable. And we always talk about, you know, quarterbacks, what they can do, but a lot of success. Remember Belichick talked about Tom Brady, his favorite asset. No negative plays, always plays ahead of the sticks. And that's one of the things about Caleb Williams now he's not taking the sacks and he's never thrown a lot of interceptions, so he's not taking those negative plays. So much about quarterback isn't what you do, it's what you don't do. You don't run backwards and scramble and get behind the sticks. So I think it's official. He's still growing. But the Chicago Bears have their first great quarterback. They've had good ones. Rex Grossman had a couple good years. Jay Cutler was good. None of them were great. And I mean only three penalties. So they've gotten the operational part, which was very clunky early, is for a lot of young quarterbacks, they've cleaned that up. They were three or four in the red zone. Hardest place to score. So we knew Ben Johnson early was the right fit and now Caleb's the right fit for Ben Johnson. Slowly working together. So you watch the Bears offense, head coach, quarterback weapons, red zone efficiency. The. This is what Green Bay has been doing, you know, about an hour train ride up north for 30 plus years now green Bay is trying to solve their offense and Chicago's got their solved. So again, fourth quarter rallies. It doesn't matter what it looks like. Listen, it's cold, it's windy. I think Chicago Bear receivers had six drops. I mean, he throws hard. John Elway's wide receivers used to complain about this. Like Caleb, he's got a cannon. He throws hard and sometimes, you know, guys are going to drop it. But don't worry about the aesthetic and the optics. Fourth quarter, they won. That's all that mattered. And here was Ben Johnson with his star quarterback after the game. Let me tell you something. Now this next guy, man, he's got ice in his veins. And if you don't believe it now, you just wait. Man, the best is you yet to come 18, here we go. Just keeps getting a little better. The operation stuff now took a few weeks. Accuracy stuff. Lot of it was drops yesterday when he rolled out right, threw a ball to the end zone that was out of bound. DJ Moore, couldn't get his feet down. That was 40 yards on a line, as they say. You could hang laundry on that thing. It was just 40 yards. A line drive off the arm. Michaela Williams, you were like, okay, that doesn't look like almost anybody else in the league. I'm not sure Mahomes has that in that win. So he is a special talent. Okay, I've been on this for a long time. I prefer offensive coaches, especially with young quarterbacks. As you're learning the game, Sean Payton, Andy Reid, I think it's really valuable now. Now you don't have to have that Mike Vrabel, defensive guy, right? Drake May is flourishing, but Josh McDaniel, great coordinator, but I'm watching Buffalo. I got nothing against Sean McDermott. But the Bills are 2 and 3 in their last five games. Blowout loss to Miami and loss to Atlanta. Right now they have the same amount of wins as San Francisco. That's running out of players and only one more than Carolina. And here's my thing with Sean McDermott. Something's always leaking and it takes them an entire off season to figure it out. You don't have an off season. You're wasting Josh Allen's prime. The running game took years to solve. Now the passing game. What, I have to wait until next year to solve it? I mean, Justin Herbert doesn't have his tackles or his number one running back. And Jim Harbaugh's got him in a three game winning streak. Their offensive line is atrocious. Three game winning streak. San Francisco has Mac Jones quarterbacking. The receivers aren't healthy. Where's Iuk? Where's Ricky Pearsall? Mac Jones yesterday went 33 of 39. Buffalo has been mostly healthy schedule third easiest in the league. And yet they, they don't have a. They have one win over a team with a winning record. So in their three losses, they've averaged 15 points with Josh Allen and James Cook. How is that possible? And that's my knock on defensive head coaches. They can't solve offensive issues in season. They need their GM to solve it. Cross your fingers, hopefully in the off season. Andy Reid, offensive line solves it in season. Sean McVay, running back, receiver. Puka's hurt. Puka's hurt. What do they do? Four tight ends in London against the Jags offensive coaches can solve problems with their unit and their young quarterback and they can do it in a week or two. Running game for Buffalo took forever to solve. The GM finally had to solve it. The passing game. Now it can't take this long to solve stuff with James Cook and Josh Allen. I mean John Elway had a good coach in Dan Reeves. He needed a better one in Mike Shanahan. And I mean I got nothing against McDermott but watch the league as you get into this time. I mean Justin Herbert is working with backup. Everything on the offensive line. Number three running back, forgettable tight ends. Does he have a number one receiver? And they're on a three game winning streak. You just have to solve stuff, right? You got to be a fix it guy, you know, that's what you got to do. That's what Shanahan could do and Dan Reeves couldn't. And I mean Mike Vrabel right now, second year quarterback. No. Number one receiver, running back by committee. Although I like Travion Henderson, wish he play more. Tight ends are okay, offensive line solid and they're on a seven game winning streak. Sean Payton's on a seven game winning streak with Bo Nix. Bo Nix is having a horrible year. Okay, so my take is these offensive guys, you just can't go on losing streaks. You can't lose to Miami and Trail 16 nothing at half when you have Josh Allen can't do it and Sean McDermott. I just think, Josh, at this point I've seen enough. They'll make the playoffs, they'll be fine. New England's already better. New England's won seven straight games. They go to Tampa and control the game. They went to Buffalo and control the bills. Here's McDermott after we do need to look continue to turn over every stone to figure out why this is happening. I feel like it's happened quite a bit year to year. This year is probably as much as I've been around. So you know, I don't know if it's. I don't know what it is, I really don't. So. But we gotta figure that piece out pretty quickly here. So much of coaching is not having the answers, it's finding them, it's solving the problems in season, week to week moving pieces and I mean it's not all offense. Yesterday the defense looked tired, gassed. Maybe it was the heat. It's. I'm just watching teams like Denver which is getting subpar up quarterback play. I'm watching the Chargers who may have the worst offensive line in three years. And they just keep winning. How is Justin Herbert that much better than Josh Allen? How's Vrabel doing it? They don't have a number one receiver running back by committee. O line solid. Schedule's tough and they just keep going on the road. Buffalo, Tampa off a by Tampa and winning. I think it's time. I think you can't have to solve every issue in the off season. It doesn't work that way. I don't care if you're running a TV network, a TV show or a football team, you I can't have an off season to solve every problem. All right, J Mac. Colin right. Colin wrong. I took one underdog all weekend. It was Pittsburgh last night. And I got to tell you, Aaron looked old. Oh, really? Oh, really? Trying to elude Khalil Mack in the end zone. Look like an old guy falling down the stairs. That was, that was brutal for Aaron Rodgers. I mean, that was until that garbage time. Touchdown, Colin. That was trending like one of the worst games of his NFL career. Yeah, that's how bad he was. That's your guy. Aaron Rodgers still at a winning blazing five. But that. That hurt. That. That. I went to bed unsettled. Let's just say that. 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I mean one of their tight ends, I think he's going to get converted to a tackle but he can catch enough so they can throw it to him. That's what they have. They have a running back. They drafted Roman Wilson, by the way. Jim Harbaugh, Roman Wilson, J.J. mcCarthy, Blake Corum. We thought they were stars in college. No, the coach was. But I mean to me it's a bad sign As a franchise, you have no idea what you're getting. Half to half and week to week, no idea. They're the only team in the league. To me, that's completely unsolvable. And here's all I can come up with. They're the second oldest team in the NFL and they're aging like milk, not wine. And as the season goes on, they look old. Second half, they look tired. Seattle is young. Every week, Seattle looks fast and physical. They're growing, they're ascending. Pittsburgh looks old and tired. It's like the Steelers are having a midlife crisis. Every other week, fifth straight game, Aaron Rodgers passer rating has gone down. And so this has been. I mean, listen, we all know the Steelers GPS is going to steer them back to 500. That's what it always does, right? They're going to be 8, 9 or 9 or 8. Probably the latter. But this team, last year, remember last year, the Steelers got off to a hot start with an old quarterback. Then the old quarterback in the team faded. This year, Gay got off to a hot start with an old quarterback and the old quarterback, and the team is fading. And now it's November. And in November, the weather gets cold and you got to run the football. Oh, wait, they can't. And they won't be able to solve it in season. This is another defensive coach. So it's Groundhog Day. You know, I'm watching last night and I'm like, I don't know what I get with Pittsburgh. They're all over the map, like Buffalo. I usually know what I'm getting. They'll have a stinker here, there. And I think Josh Allen deserves an elite coach. Steelers aren't moving off Mike Tomlin, but it's an old roster and old people, old roster fall down the stairs more get hurt more. Longer to heal. I. What else can I say? Here's Aaron after. You know, I expect to play great every single week, and this was not my best performance. I got to play better than this for us to win. Whatever it takes. I got to make a. You know, if it's. If it's better, checks, if it's better, throws, whatever it is, I got to play better. They don't really have a downfield passing attack. They don't. It's tight ends and DK Metcalf, that's what they have. And they can't run. So it's up to Aaron to solve it because Tomlin won't and can't. So they can't run it. It's getting cold they don't have a downfield attack. That's why I've defended Aaron all year. They're throwing to the right people. Friarmouth, Washington, you know, dk underneath there, you. So much of this league again is solving dilemmas week to week. I don't think they can. I think this is kind of what they are. They've been blown out now by Seattle and Green Bay and then last night the Chargers. I think that's closer to what they are than what I saw last week and what they did to the turnover prone. Daniel Jones, Colts. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no. Heard on the news. This is the third line news. Perhaps Rogers needs a midweek darkness retreat to, you know, recalibrate things in Pittsburgh. You know who doesn't need one? The LA Rams. Colin. Oh, my gosh. Rams looking like the best team in the NFL right now. And Matt Stafford leading the way. He became the first player in NFL history to throw four touchdowns in three straight games. How about this? Last six games, 20 touchdowns, zero picks. Wow, the Rams roll. The Niners, we called this on Friday. Here's devonte Adams talking about his MVP quarterback. Well, I mean, it's looked like MVP played to me all year, to be honest. I mean, even, even certain games, I mean, like I said, the pick he played through against Tennessee and the way he bounced back after that, like that's how an MVP plays to me. So, you know, just to rally a team and continue to lead at a high level after. Not when things don't go your way. I think that's what really shows what an MVP is, is about. For the record, I think this is the best coach team in the league on any given Sunday. No penalties, at least on that. Yeah, yeah. No penalties against your rival on the road. No penalties. I mean that. The Vikings had eight false starts at home. Thirteen penalties, Rams, none. So this team, I said this three weeks ago, I said it last week, I'll say it again. It's the most efficient team in the league. They're good in the red zone. They don't get penalized. They can run. They don't turn the ball over. Like you have to beat the Rams. The Rams do not beat themselves. So right now, to me, I'll make an argument, I'll watch tonight. But this is the best team in the league. Yeah, no, it feels like certainly they've evolved there. Speaking of evolution, Colin, you know, like we constantly talk about, you've got to continue to change. The example I always use is Belichick, right? He continued to Tinker with the Patriots for two decades. They were tight end, heavy slot receiver, heavy run back defense. I mean, you look at the Rams. Have you noticed this three tight end set that is doing. We talked about it after that London game. I was totally shocked he did it against the Jags. Colin, the last three games, nobody can stop the Rams. When they put three tight ends on the field. They don't know what's coming. Is it a run or is it a pass? I mean, the offense has scored over 30 points in the last three with these three tight end sets. And the 49ers defense looks so confused. This was 21 nothing in like, it felt like five seconds. Yeah, and I, I was surprised by this. I wasn't surprised in the late window by a Seattle blowout or a Lions blowout. I thought this would be. I mean, I thought the Rams would win. I think I called it Friday. 24, 23. And Mack Jones, for the record, was great. 33 at 39. Well, yeah, he, he was, he was good. He put up some numbers. I, I hear some people trying to make this a. Well, Mac Jones could be the starter. I don't want to go there. I mean, they lost, but yeah, Mac Jones was very solid. Still don't have iu. Ricky Pierce Hall's missing. If you want to be trouble for the Niners. Besides the defense, Christian McCaffrey couldn't run anywhere, but Brian Robinson could. I don't know if you noticed that. I don't want to say McCaffrey slowing down, but the trend lines are not good for the Niners. But let's go back to a positive story, Colin, and that's your Seattle Seahawks. I laughed at you when I, when you said the Seahawks were a playoff team preseason and oh my gosh, they just destroyed the Cardinals. This was 35. Zero. Yes. 35 nothing. I mean, what an unbelievable performance. JSN went nuts. The defense scored two touchdowns, both by DeMarcus Lawrence. Colin, here's JSN talking about what makes Seattle such a great team. Preparation, our culture in the building, the guys that we have in this locker room, you know, doing whatever it takes to win. That's from Monday to Sunday. And you know what we're building here. We all feel like we have something special and we just want to keep it going and protect what we have from this point forward. I would never draft anything but an Ohio State wide receiver. I mean, between Igbuka and that kid. And they got two more great ones in school. I mean, all of the. Even Harrison can be A bit moody and disappear. But Arizona is a. You know what, this kid is so good. First receiver to a thousand yards and now they've, they added the receiver from New Orleans which is going to take two or three weeks for them to figure out. But I'll tell you, turn the sound down on Seattle and watch them. This has to be the fastest team in the league. Everybody can run on this team. Everybody. Safeties, corners, defensive ends. This team is just fast. Lawrence looks like a beefed up like Cam Chancellor when he's grabbing the ball and running. I was stunned. Let me, let me just point this out. So four teams this season have scored 30 or more points in the first half. Seattle's done is three of them. Three of the four is Seattle. This team is unstoppable. Now this came, this comes from an Oregon guy here on staff, your boy Zach. So Sam Darnold, amazing in the first half. He's been the best quarterback in the first half this season. 75% Colin According to splits. Weirdly, he hasn't been as good in the second half. Now some of it is great game script, right? Some of it is. Some of it. Leading by five touchdowns. It's hard to generate enthusiasm from the big uglies up front. I mean yesterday Darnold had two of the strangest turnovers of all time. One of his passes hit a tight ends helmet. Yeah. So he's taking more sacks in the second half, more interceptions. His completion percentage is down significantly. His quarterback rating drops by about 45 points. So I'm not again not overreacting, but I do wonder. I don't want to get into MVP discussion with Darnold. That's, that's a little goofy. But this is a guy who we know last year imploded at the end of the season in Minnesota. And that's largely why he's not there. Colin, I know when we get to the high leverage playoff games, we're not gonna be facing Arizona. They're gonna be facing Philly, Packers, Rams. Not worth. Do you have confidence in Darnold? Yes, absolutely. One person in America, two people in America didn't bail on him. Kyle Shanahan and me, Colin Coward. Yes, final story. Let's go to college football because this has to be as of now, the catch of the year. Indiana storms back to beat Penn State in a great game. Future Jet quarterback, Mr. Mendoza with an unbelievable final drive. I think they went 87 yards and Mendoza delivers. Colin, we have the call from Gus Johnson. Listen to the great Gus Johnson on Indiana's way. Mendoza in trouble. It's out. That's the wow. Oh my cobra. Unbelievable. Give him the eyes of trophy now. That was the best second half of a football game I have seen in college football this year and the best last second drive. If you watch Dante Moore in the lousy weather in Iowa and Mendoza in that, that's. Those are your two best college quarterbacks. They are. They were both so good in big spots. Mendoza throws a. I mean, that's an NFL throw. In the NFL, if you're a quarterback. Front of the end zone low, back of the end zone high. So nobody can get it. That is literally exactly how you make the throw. Like Mendoza made two or three on that final drive. Mendoza made two to three. I mean, first round top pick throws looks the part the kid Cooper. If you watch his momentum, it's like carrying him out of bounds. So initially you're like, there's no way he's getting his feet down. But his feet seem to kind of go back in time and drift back toward the field. It was insane. An unbelievable win for Indiana. It obviously sets up Indiana, Ohio State still being undefeated essentially for the number one spot in the college football rankings. So the new rankings come out tomorrow. It seems like the Big Ten's probably only going to get three in. If USC somehow takes down Oregon, then it gets real interesting. Okay. Ohio State number one, Bama, two, Indiana three. I don't buy Texas A and M like everybody else does. I think largely I would agree with you. I am curious. The Oregon rally against Iowa and I don't know if we'll get to it later. I watched the whole thing. That was a hell of a fourth quarter quarter. Iowa's plucky thing. They covered crappy weather for a west coast team going to the Midwest. Now Oregon plays in that kind of weather two or three times a year in Austin. But I thought it was an impressive win and. And Iowa's got like, you know, seven NFL guys. Iowa's well coached. That throw right there by Dante Moore. Come on. In that weather and Oregon was down. I think Oregon was down. I could be wrong. Four of their top five receivers, they were down a lot of guys. I mean, they were down all their perimeter guys. So that win was way more impressive than it won't get nearly the credit it deserves. Oh, it's just Iowa. Iowa in that weather at home. Oregon just reeling skill players. That was a huge win by them. Yeah, great. Great cover though. Cover by the Hawkeyes. They deliver at home. Colin. Yes. I know you love gambling. Okay. Back to back college. I watched one, then I watched the other and I'm like, it was a wild Saturday. J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd lie news. You know, you know when you're learning to drive, remember that in like high school and you have the driver's ed teacher and you're sitting there driving and right next to you. Mine's name was Steve, Steve Bridge. He was the driver's ed teacher, my football coach. He was. And so you gotta not only be able to drive when the driver's ed teacher sitting next to you, but when he gets out, you can't veer into a tree or you really can't drive. That's J.J. mcCarthy of Minnesota. After the first scripted drive of the game, folks, you can't convince me it works. It doesn't. His first drive this year, first drives, he completes 78% of his throws. After that 51. Again, he's great. When the driver's ed teacher is in the right seat, eventually the teacher leaves the car and you gotta drive. So Justin Jefferson's three worst games, the three J.J. mcCarthy starts. So, and I mean the other thing that was troubling, eight false starts for a home game. False starts. That's the boiling the water part of culinary school. Have you turned the stove on? You can't have eight false starts in a season. That was the most in 25 years for a home team. So Josh Dobbs, remember, remember Josh Dobbs? He came to Kevin o'. Connell. You remember that game? No practices. So Josh Dobbs, backup, career backup, no practices, engineered 31 points of offense, 102 passer rating. JJ McCarthy off script, passer ratings 57. The hardest thing in the NFL in my opinion, beyond just winning, is acknowledging for GMs and coaches. We made a mistake in that first round pick. The Colts admitted it with Anthony Richardson. The Niners admitted it with Trey Lance. And there's no rush. I'd let JJ McCarthy play the entire year. Got nothing to lose. You're not as good as Chicago, you're not as good as Green Bay, you're not as good as Detroit. It's just not going to work. But I mean, I, I, I, the operation doesn't work. I do think if you're good on the first drive, it means you're coachable. And I think his arm is an NFL arm. But Kevin OConnells had seven quarterbacks in Minnesota. J.J. is sixth. And I, I'm watching Justin Jefferson and he's about done with It. So I. I don't know. I'm. I'm. I'm watching it. I don't want to be negative. He was the one. I don't want to do confirmation bias because this was the 1 first round quarterback. I didn't. I didn't get it. What we've seen about all those Michigan guys, Roman Wilson, Blake Corum, we've noticed. Have you noticed this? Jj have you noticed this? They're not as good as pros. It's not like the Georgia guys that come in like Jalen Carter and are immediately a top two player in the league at his position. It's not the Bama guys that walk in the wide receivers and you're like, oh, yeah, that guy. A lot of those Michigan guys, a lot of it was hardball. And I'm watching and I know he's a winner. I get it, but I don't get the traits. I don't see it. It's not me being negative. I just don't see it. Here's J.J. mcCarthy after the loss. It was there. We just kept shooting ourselves in the foot and, you know, I take full responsibility for the pre snap, you know, procedural penalt. You know, we got three turnovers and just, you know, too many things that, you know, don't set us up for success, you know, when the clock hits zero. So we just got to go back to work, watch this film, and, you know, really clean up all the little things because that's what hurt us today. Now, again, he moves pretty well. I think. He has a nice arm. He had a nice arm. He moves well. Nice kid. Seems smart. Hard to get into Michigan. I'd let him play the rest of the year, you know, I mean, maybe, you know, listen, I like Michael Panick. I don't. I don't like the way that looks. So, I mean, stuff can change. There's no qu. I was very critical. First two weeks, three weeks of Caleb Williams, he couldn't get the operational stuff down. So it's. I mean, seems like a good kid working hard. Again, he moves. He moves better than average. Well, he moves average. He's fine. He's got a nice arm. He makes NFL throws, but I don't know what it is. I think I've said this with Bo Nix. I feel like Bo Nix is nervous. I don't know exactly what it is because everybody tells me this is going to work, and I just don't see it. So maybe I'm wrong. I've been, you know, listen, I thought the Steelers would win. Last night, so I whiff as much as anybody. But you know, if you're a Minnesota fan, I've just seen guys work at quarterback for this organization without a practice, so I just feel like we're going on two years of stuff. It's got to get smoother than this. It can't be this bumpy. Gotta be able to drive the car. Once the driver's ed teacher goes back to class and you drive home right at some point, it's your car, you're the driver. 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So this is what the New York jets did last year. The New York franchises don't know what they're doing. So the jets last year, let's fire the best coach we have, Robert Sala. How'd it work? Embarrassing. So the best coach the Giants have is Brian D. Who works really well with Jackson Dart. So you're going to let him walk out of the building and then you're going to have like the third or fourth best coach on the staff take over as the interim guy and if he wins a couple games, every fan is going to be going, hey, that's our guy. Never fire the best coach on your staff. And if you have to do it at the end of a season, in the middle of a season to fire Robert Sala, the Jets went sideways in 15 minutes. I mean, I, it's until yesterday, Sala was up for coordinator of the year. They have no players left in San Francisco. So again, these New York franchises, I don't know if it's talk radio that drives it or the newspapers or the fans or the media, but I mean, this is the Jets a year ago. You're firing your best coach. If you want to fire him at the end of the year, that's fine. But he has a really good relationship with the most important person on your team, Jackson Dart. What are you doing? Just like last year, Robert Sala. Great relationship with Sauce Gardner and Quinn Williams fired him. Circled the drain. So, you know, I would hire Dable as a coordinator in 15 minutes. Does he get another head coaching job? Possible. I mean, maybe it's probable. But I've said before with Robert Sala, Robert Sala deserves a second crack. He's a great defensive coach. He's just got to get the offensive guy right. I think Dable's an excellent offensive coach. Neighbors isn't healthy. Scatter boo is not healthy. And they let and I can, I guarantee you, here's why they fired him. Well, it's the fourth time we've led by 10, you know, late in the game. Yeah, but you don't have a running back. 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But neighbors and Scatter Boo both get hurt. And Jackson Dart plays really well with Brian Babel. You'd be like, yeah, I'll sign up for it. Yet no reasonable person looked at this schedule and thought, oh, it's a nine win team or an eight win team. We said I picked them for fourth in division, I think third or fourth, I mean, they weren't a playoff team. So I always say this. Anytime my wife gets all worked up about the kids, I'm like, well, would you have signed up for this or this or this? And the answer is usually, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not as bad as you think. If I'd have told you, neighbors gets hurt, Andrew Thomas in and out of the lineup, Scaboo gets hurt. Dallas is better than everybody thinks. But Jackson Dart emerges as a franchise quarterback. You just signed up for that. So these New York football teams are so absurdly reactionary. You know, this is the jets in a different uniform. Good luck. And again, when you fire coaches mid season, it's kind of humiliating, right? There are going to be people that look at that job and like Jackson Dart and they're like, yeah, I want to sign up for that. I don't know if I want to sign up for that. You're going to go and hire a coordinator. I'll tell you right now, if I was the New York Giants, I can sit here and complain. I'd hire Mike McCarthy. That's who I would go hire. Mike McCarthy with Aaron Rodgers, with Cooper Rush, with Dak Prescott, Mike McCarthy's quarterbacks win and perform very well. I would hire Mike McCarthy. The only advantage to firing Brian Dable is that you can get on the phone this afternoon. I don't know, what are the rules in the NFL on. On. On coaches stuff. There's probably some arcane rule that you can't call before this and that I would just send messages through agents in the right channels. Mike McCarthy's who we want. That's my solution. Don't get caught up because watch what happens. Some interim guy goes out and wins three games, and every Giant fans like that, players respond to that guy. That's my substitute teacher rule. Everybody loves the substitute teacher. Okay, so 13 seasons. The Giants have one playoff win. Brian Dable and Daniel Jones. Okay, so you can complain all you want. He got Daniel Jones of the playoffs and Jackson dart. He was the guy in the building that loved Jackson Dart, right? Like, there were a lot of naysayers, myself included. We didn't like Jack. I was like, jackson darts, the second round guy. I said that. I said, I've seen him with Lane Kiffin for a couple years. He's. He's got talent. He's a draftable quarterback. He's a second round guy. Right now, he looks better than Cam Ward. And the one guy that kept pounding his chest was Brian Dable. He was the one guy. That's my guy. All right. The Giants interim head coach will be their sixth since 2016. Ben McAdoo, Spags. Pat Shermer, Joe Judge, Brian Babel. 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Not from my system, Then you've got to restart over at quarterback. It's not a given that Jackson Dart is their franchise quarterback, but with table so think about this. So yesterday against the Bears on the road. Scatter. Boo's out. Neighbors is out. Jackson dark concussion out. And because you couldn't win Caleb Williams and that skill group against Russell Wilson and because you couldn't win on the road in the snow and and people are talking about, well, that there's a situational play that all the Giant fans were complaining about. You go fourth and one up seven or do you kick the field to go go to go do up two scores. I could barely get it out. I had no sure, maybe you go for the touchdown there, but whatever. I mean, you're not firing the coach off that hey Colin, where's Dable coaching next year? Is he a head coach or an oc? He'll interview for the Dolphins job probably. He's rougher than Mike McDaniel. He's kind of gruff. He's the opposite of McDaniel. Colin right? 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This episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd focuses on key NFL storylines, including the emergence of Caleb Williams as a bona fide franchise quarterback for the Chicago Bears, the continued struggles and questionable decisions by the Buffalo Bills and their head coach Sean McDermott, and the surprising midseason firing of New York Giants’ head coach Brian Daboll. Colin and his co-host J. Mac analyze the implications of these developments, drawing broader conclusions about modern NFL coaching and team philosophies. Other topics include analysis of contenders and pretenders in the NFL, standout player and team performances, and college football observations.
BREAKING NEWS: The New York Giants have fired head coach Brian Daboll midseason.
Colin strongly criticizes the decision, calling it “idiotic” and likening it to the Jets’ mismanagement the previous year.
Main Points:
Quote: “Never fire the best coach on your staff. And if you have to do it, do it at the end of a season. In the middle of a season to fire... the Jets went sideways in 15 minutes.” (1:21:12)
J. Mac agrees, lamenting the trend of New York teams overreacting to short-term results.
Daboll’s future as an in-demand coordinator or potential head coach elsewhere is discussed, with Miami named as a likely suitor.
Colin’s tone throughout is assertive, candid, and at times incredulous—especially when discussing franchise mismanagement and coaching philosophies. The discussion is fast-paced, full of analogies and pointed criticism, balanced by J. Mac’s back-and-forth commentary, and occasionally punctuated by memorable postgame quotes and jovial banter.
For listeners who missed the episode, Colin opens with optimism for Bears fans, providing detailed, experience-based arguments for why Caleb Williams is finally Chicago’s franchise QB. The show then pivots to chronic problems in Buffalo, the ongoing Steelers saga, and top-tier teams demonstrating what modern NFL success looks like. The news of Brian Daboll’s firing is dissected as a cautionary tale of franchise impatience, revealing Colin and J. Mac’s broader concerns with how short-term thinking often undermines team building. College football observations round out the hour, blending pro and amateur narratives in Colin’s typically passionate, opinionated style.