THE HERD - Hour 1 - Caleb Williams has transformed, Bill Belichick should not coach the Giants, ranking the best NFL QBs

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Podcast Summary: "The Herd with Colin Cowherd"

Episode: Hour 1 – Caleb Williams' Transformation, Belichick & the Giants, Young QB Rankings
Date: November 12, 2025
Host: Colin Cowherd (iHeartPodcasts and The Volume)

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the transformation of Caleb Williams in the NFL, analyzes why Bill Belichick is not the right fit for the New York Giants, and engages in a thought experiment: if you were a GM, which under-25 NFL quarterbacks would you sign to massive $250M extensions? The show offers a blend of analysis, debate, and Cowherd’s signature analogies, with engaging input from co-host J.J. McCarthy.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. Caleb Williams’ NFL Transformation

Timestamps: 04:37–16:15

• Highest Graded Quarterback: Caleb Williams, Chicago Bears, has rapidly risen to become one of the top quarterbacks over the last two weeks per PFF.
• Growth Areas:
  • Improved offensive line play ("masonry...one brick at a time") has been fundamental for Williams' leap.
  • Focused on less flashy, more efficient play: “We got Jonah Jackson, Drew Dahlman, Joe Thuney. Guard, center, guard.” (Colin, 05:10)
  • Reduced negative plays ("Can you not run backwards? I want to eliminate the negative plays and the pre snap penalties.")
  • Bears’ improved run game, leading to more balanced, play-action opportunities.
• Mentoring & Masonry:
  • “Success is largely masonry in every field, one brick at a time. The little stuff... It’s all the little stuff that makes great parenting and great quarterback." (Colin, 06:54)
  • Analyst Greg Olson’s comparison: Williams naturally brings “sizzle,” but needed a “grown up coach to do the small stuff.”
• Statistical Growth:
  • Passer rating up from 88 last season to 92
  • Yards per attempt increased from 6.3 to 7.3
• Memorable Quote:
  • “Caleb brings the sizzle, Ben Johnson just brought in a better steak.” (Colin, 09:15)

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2. Micah Parsons: Versatility vs. Specialization

Timestamps: 09:26–16:19

• Colin’s Opinion:
  • Reports of Dallas potentially moving on from Parsons despite his talent—questioned his versatility: “He’s a stud athlete but not a versatile player... See ball, go get it.” (Colin, 10:12)
• Parsons’ Social Media Response:
  • Parsons clapped back at Cowherd via tweet, defending the Cowboys’ recent performance.
• Versatility Debate:
  • Analogies to other sports stars: Ohtani & Jokic ("can do everything"), Tyreek Hill ("not a great blocker or route runner, but elite at what he does"), Christian McCaffrey vs. Adrian Peterson.
  • “Most baseball players, the great ones are Freddie Freeman. Man, can he hit. Ohtani can do everything.” (Colin, 11:20)
• NFL Comparison:
  • Parsons is placed in the “Tyreek Hill” category—extraordinary, but narrowly elite.
    • “Micah is what he’s always been, stud athlete, five-star recruit, disruptive pass rusher.” (Colin, 14:08)
    • “Tyreek Hill isn’t Larry Fitzgerald.” (Colin, 12:30)
  • Most teams will not move foundational, versatile defenders (e.g., Garrett, Crosby, Watt).

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3. Belichick and the Giants: Why the Fit Doesn’t Work

Timestamps: 22:32–27:11

• Discussing Giants’ Head Coach Opening:
  • Colin advocates for Mike McCarthy or Lane Kiffin, not Bill Belichick.
  • Argument: The modern NFL and young QBs require offensive, progressive coaches.
• Belichick’s Track Record with Young Quarterbacks:
  • “There is a formula that works with young quarterbacks and it’s not saddled upside a 74 year-old defensive coach.” (Colin, 24:09)
  • Reference to Mac Jones' decline post-Josh McDaniels; Tom Brady’s struggles late in NE with limited personnel.
• Lesson from Other Sports:
  • Modernization brings success; “Baseball stopped looking in the rearview mirror... Basketball’s ratings are up.”
• Conclusion:
  • “Be very careful about memories and lore and tradition... Bill may be a legend, but it’s rearview mirror stuff to me.” (Colin, 25:40)

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4. NFL Quarterbacks Under 25: Who Gets the $250M Contract?

Timestamps: 16:19, 43:51–55:40

• Thought Experiment for GMs:
  • “Every quarterback 25 and under, you’re the GM today. You have to decide on a $250 million extension... Two you get to sign today.” (Colin, 16:05)
• Key Contenders:
  • Colin’s main three: Drake May (no-brainer), C.J. Stroud, Caleb Williams.
  • “Drake May’s the easy one… Stroud has a couple of playoff wins… and Caleb... I think with Ben [Johnson] we’re getting a truer version.” (Colin, 44:55)
• Co-Host Debate:
  • J.J. McCarthy lobbies for Brock Purdy based on "more games, more wins, more touchdowns" and two playoff game-winning drives. (J.J., 51:44)
  • Colin pushes back: durability, arm talent, upside, and support matter ("Caleb didn't get hurt last year, didn't get hurt in college, didn't get hurt in high school...").
• Traits that Matter:
  • Cowherd emphasizes “traits and trunky and thick,” i.e., physical robustness over just statistics. (54:30)
  • “If you sign Caleb… you’ve got to let people go. Now you throw it because you want to, not because you have to.” (Colin, 46:30)

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5. Around the NFL & NBA: Steelers, Bengals, Lions-Eagles, Dallas Mavericks

Timestamps: 27:11–35:06

• Steelers vs. Bengals:
  • Steelers expected to rebound after a poor showing and benefit from a normal week (not Thursday night).
  • “Pittsburgh will throttle Cincinnati. Steelers aren’t a bad team. They’ve got holes... but they’ll win comfortably.” (Colin, 28:05)
• Lions vs. Eagles:
  • Philly favored; both hosts skeptical of the Lions’ offense outside the dome environment.
  • “Philadelphia knows what they are. It’s flawed, but they know what they are.” (Colin, 30:35)
• Dallas Mavericks, NBA:
  • Fallout from firing GM Nico Harrison, difficulties in moving Anthony Davis, and the fan base’s unrest after a disastrous trade.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Success & Masonry:
  • “Success in any field… law, education… mostly masonry. One brick at a time… It’s all the little stuff that makes great parenting and great quarterback.”
    — Colin Cowherd (06:27)
• On Caleb Williams and Systems:
  • “Ben Johnson just brought in a better steak. Success is largely masonry in every field, one brick at a time.”
    — Colin Cowherd (09:15)
• On Micah Parsons:
  • "Micah is essentially Tyreek Hill... See ball, go get it... That has unbelievable value. But the Cowboys tried him at linebacker... doesn't have great eyes, can't put him into coverage."
    — Colin Cowherd (13:50)
• On Bill Belichick:
  • “Be very careful about memories and lore and tradition… Bill may be a legend, but it’s rearview mirror stuff to me.”
    — Colin Cowherd (25:40)
• On Young QB Contracts:
  • "If I said you got to pick three guys and you got to write the check knowing you write the check you got to let people go ... I'm into that. I've worked with people in this industry that are really talented. They're just not dependable. High and low, don't get them every day. We talked about masonry. So I don't know, I. You don't have to like Bo Nicks and how it looks. He's the best fourth quarter quarterback in the league right now. He's never hurt and he wins games."
    — Colin Cowherd (46:30)
• J.J. McCarthy's Counter:
  • "I think Brock Purdy's a lock... more wins, obviously more touchdowns, more games. He had two game winning drives in the postseason..."
    — J.J. McCarthy (51:44)
• On Physical Traits:
  • “I've always told you that before. I like traits and trunky and thick and I like all that stuff. That, that stuff matters to me.”
    — Colin Cowherd (54:30)

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Takeaways & Analysis

• Caleb Williams isn’t just thriving due to talent, but because the Bears built around him with good coaching and roster moves—Cowherd underscores how small details, not just highlights, make a quarterback great.
• Bill Belichick’s style is seen as outdated for the new NFL and young QBs. The modern sports world rewards adaptability and vision over legacy.
• The quarterback market is more complicated than fans appreciate: durability, system fit, and long-term upside matter as much as stats. Debates on Brock Purdy and Caleb Williams illustrate how context, not just numbers, defines franchise QBs.
• Versatility is a luxury even for elite NFL talents; being exceptional at one thing is valuable, but teams prize true all-around difference makers.
• Cowherd’s analogies—from construction to cooking to sports crossovers—color the discussions and make analytics lively and relatable.

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Important Timestamps

• Caleb Williams discussion: 04:37–16:15
• Versatility & Micah Parsons: 09:26–16:19
• Belichick & the Giants: 22:32–27:11
• Young QB rankings discussion: 43:51–55:40
• Notable quote on “masonry” in QB development: 06:27
• Comparing Brock Purdy vs. Caleb Williams: 51:44–54:30

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This episode is must-listen for fans interested in the intersection between player development, coaching philosophy, and roster building in football. Cowherd delivers thoughtful critique leavened with personal rules and industry anecdotes, all with his trademark blend of candor and humor.

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[J.J. McCarthy]

Okay, let me get a guess. I'll go. Caleb Williams.

[Colin Cowherd]

Interesting. Isn't this funny? Highest rated PFF quarterback all year is a former Trojan and currently the hottest USC Trojan. I'm telling you, they're coming back telling you. So I was thinking about this. Success in any field, any field can be law, education. It's mostly masonry. One brick at a time. Great parenting. Isn't the weekend birthday Parties. It's Monday through Friday, 7A to 7P. Caleb Williams was flashy last year. Caleb Williams is still flashy this year. But you want to know why he's the highest squidded quarterback? It's all the masonry. He proves that young, talented quarterbacks, even super hyper talented quarterbacks, they just need a baseline of support and common sense. Ben Johnson takes this job. Does he say, caleb, I want more zany flashy plays? No. The first thing he addresses, we got to get better at guard, center, guard. Not even the most dynamic offensive line positions. The big uglies in the middle of the O line. They get Jonah Jackson, Drew Dahlman, they get Joe Tooney. Guard, center guard. The second thing he says, hey, I gotta ask you something. Caleb, can you not run backwards? I want to eliminate the negative plays and the pre snap penalties. Two basic masonry laying brick needs and suddenly he's the hottest quarterback in the league. Because when you're not first and 15 or first and 20 or second and 28 because you got sacked running backwards, you run the ball better and you run the ball more often. And that helps a quarterback. Now Patrick Mahomes, the way he entered the league, hall of fame coach, great gm, great owner, hall of fame tight end, Pro bowl wide receiver. That, that car had no flat tires and. And Caleb entered the Bears with Eber floose and that staff and a battle line. There were four flat tires. But Caleb was not terrible last year. He was wildly flashy. 20 touchdown, six picks. It's all the little stuff that makes great parenting and great quarterback. Yeah, we have much better protection. Guard, center guard. We don't have any negative plays pre snap stuff. What did Belichick say about Brady? With Tom, you're always playing in front of the sticks. It's never 1st and 15, it's never 2nd and 22. Move the ball ahead. Because the wild dynamic running thing, that is really, really easy for Caleb Williams, that's innate, that's natural, that's going to come. Caleb's success this year is on all the minutia of the NFL guard play. No pre snap penalties. Last week Minnesota had eight. Last week the Rams had no penalties either side. Efficiency matters whether you're at Meta, Fox Sports or the Bears. The Bears are just more, they're more efficient, they're more stable. I was looking at Caleb Williams passer rating. Last year it was 88. This year it's 92. You look at yards per attempt 6.3 to 7.3. It's not that different. The one thing you see oh, the sacks, no negative plays. Therefore you can establish a run game. Therefore you're throwing on play action. You couldn't run the ball last year for Chicago between the sacks and the pre snap stuff. You were throwing it because you had to throw it. Now you throw it because you want to throw it. Totally different. But as Greg Olson said yesterday, you know, the hyper athletic stuff, that's just who he is. He'll always have that. What he needed was a grown up coach to do the small stuff. When things break down in today's NFL, which is going to be often, pass protection is very difficult. The rushers are very good. Scheme is good. You have to have a quarterback that can make second, second level plays. Meaning it's not the initial read, it's not the initial timing. I got a playoff script. He can do that as well as anyone as they continue to get him into more of the on time rhythm component of Ben Johnson's drop back game. If that continues to develop. That's what Chicago thought they were drafting last year. Yeah, Caleb brings the sizzle, right? He brings the sizzle. Ben Johnson just brought in a better steak. Success is largely masonry in every field, one brick at a time. The little stuff. So I've always had a rule on my show. Basically. I have opinions and you can have opinion on my opinion, but I'm not going to have an opinion on your opinion on my opinion. I'll make an exception because I think this is instructive. So I said the other day, I said, micah Parsons is a stud athlete, but through the years. This summer I had a conversation with a general manager and he said, don't be surprised if Dallas moves off him even though he's in his prime, because he's not a versatile player. He's a great athlete and a great player and he's going to be a Hall of Famer. But the Cowboys tried to use him at linebacker and it didn't work. He doesn't have fast eyes. He's. He's one of those classic. Hassan Redick was this. He's a much better player than Hassan Redick. C quarterback, go get him. C ball, go get it. There's no knock on that. He's a world class athlete. Well, he didn't like when I said that. He put up a tweet yesterday, said, hey, we just held saquon Barkley to 60 rushing yards. Our only losses have been holding teams to 13 points. Man, sometimes, can y' all please just blankety blank, stop giving people mics or listening to trash. So Let me just say this about your great job against Saquon Barkley. 7 of 9 Philadelphia Eagle games this year, Saquon Barkley has rushed for 60 yards or less. The Dallas Cowboys held them to 60 yards. The Eagles can't run the football this year. That wasn't great defense. That is the inability due to injuries and other reasons. Philly can't run the ball this year. That's why they're not as dominant. That was not a great Packer performance. It was a consistent Eagles run game performance. So the Cowboys defense last year with Micah 31st. The Cowboys defense this year without Micah 31st and again. But the argument here isn't about who's right, me or Micah. It's this is instructive. There are certain players in the NFL very, very infrequent professional athletes that do a bunch of stuff well. Wemby ball, handle, hit a three, block a shot, post move. Jokic can do everything. Best passer on the Nuggets. Best post guy in the Nuggets. Best rebounder, mostly on the Nuggets. Best shooter at times on the Nuggets. That is rare. Ohtani can do everything. Most baseball players, the great ones are Freddie Freeman. Man, can he hit. Ohtani can do everything. Jokic and Wemby are versatile. Luka's a great score. Carmelo Anthony was a great score. He wasn't a great playmaker. A great defender, a great rebounder. Mello and Luka are great scores. And that for great players, even great players, that's it. Christian McCaffrey is a versatile player. Bijan Robinson's a versatile player. Adrian Peterson was just a great running back. Micah is essentially Tyreek Hill. For the record, both traded in their prime. Tyreek Hill's never been a great blocker. He doesn't run great routes. But he'll probably make the hall of Fame because, man, he is great with a deep ball. But Andy Reid moved off him. Brett Veach, arguably second best GM in the league, moved off him. They moved off him in his prime. And the Cowboys moved off Micah in his prime. Cleveland's not moving off Miles Garrett. Raiders aren't moving off Max Crosby. Steelers aren't moving off T.J. watt. Why? Because those are versatile edge rushers. Mike is not in his run with the Dallas Cowboys. They were 23rd against the run. They got sacks, they got pressure. They were 23rd against the run. So what Micah is, he's Tyreek Hill. Both traded in their prime. Both unbelievable. Both will probably make the hall of Fame. Both highly productive. But Tyreek Hill isn't Larry Fitzgerald, okay? Larry Fitzgerald could do Drake London maybe the best red zone receiver. He can be an underneath receiver. Drake London can block Blake. Drake London can be a deep threat. Drake London can be anything you want him to be. Larry Fitzgerald can be anything. Tyreek just goes deep. Micah is a C ball, C quarterback. Get it? And that has unbelievable value. But the Cowboys tried him at linebacker. I was told by a gm, doesn't have great eyes, can't put him into coverage. Not what he does. And by great standards, 99% of great athletes, not just average guy. The great ones are more Freddie Freeman than Ohtani. They're more Carmelo than Jokic or Wemby. They're more Tyreek and Micah than Miles Garrett or Larry Fitzgerald or Christian McCaffrey or Bijan Robinson. Kyle Hamilton, JSN for the Seahawks. You can put them on the sideline, you can put them in the slot. Remember the late Aaron Hernandez? He could play like six positions. Gronk's a tight end, okay? Gronk is a tight end. Aaron Hernandez, you put him in the backfield, you could put him in the slot, you could put him anywhere. So it's not a shot. It's instructive on Micah. Micah is what he's always been, stud athlete, five star recruit, disruptive pass rusher. And Tyreek Hill is always what he was. Man, can he get deep fast. But very rarely do you get a player, even an all timer, that does a bunch of stuff. Well, Christian McCaffrey does so many things better than Adrian Peterson. But if you told me I needed two yards and somebody to run over a linebacker, I'd probably take Adrian Peterson. So there you go. Got Belichick, New York Giant rumors, believe it or not, Belichick, New York Giant rumors. I'm going to quiz everybody this hour on the show because we always talk about this with young quarterbacks, how it's not linear, it's bumpy, it's up, it's down. Who's your coach? Who's your offensive line? It's very interesting. I'm going to ask everybody watching our show today, you're the general manager and I'm going to give you every quarterback under 25. 25 or under, I'm going to give you every one. And by the end of today, you have to decide on a $250 million extension. Today's the last day you get two guys who would be your two. Just kind of throw it out there. I'm going to give you a couple minutes to study the midterm. Every quarterback 25 and under, you're the GM today. At the end of the business day, you have to make a decision on those 12 young quarterbacks. Two you get assigned today. You have to.

[J.J. McCarthy]

So there's 12.

[Colin Cowherd]

It's about 12. I'll look at the number again. Justin Herbert, one of them. No, no, no. He's now eclipsed that.

[J.J. McCarthy]

He's Eclipse 25. Okay, this is setting up so that Caleb Williams is one of the two. Obviously. Yes, yes. I can tell already you love the Bears and Caleb Williams. Now you got me worried. I had liked the Bears against the Vikings, but this soliloquy you started off with, I am a little nervous. I think J.J. mcCarthy shows up big this weekend.

[Colin Cowherd]

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On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric. I sat down with Bernie Sanders, who is 84 years old, has spent 34 years in Congress, and he can still pack a rally with people a quarter of his age.

[Colin Cowherd]

Denver, 34,000 people come out. Salt Lake City, 20,000 people. You know, huge turnouts. People are really dissatisfied about the status quo.

[Katie Couric]

His fighting oligarchy tour with AOC and other young progressives has become a movement. But is his message too far to the left? Well, he certainly doesn't think so.

[Colin Cowherd]

Does that sound like a radical idea, Judy? Is that too far left for you?

[Katie Couric]

Okay, okay, wait. I get your point, Bernie. We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living, and of course, the government shutdown, not to mention the current state of the Democratic Party.

[Colin Cowherd]

To me, the failure of the Democratic Party has been an unwillingness to recognize the real issues.

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Open your free iHeartRadio app search next question with Katie Couric. And listen now.

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[Colin Cowherd]

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I like the idea of, like, hey, put me on a big deer. You know, hey, there's a big deer out here. He's doing this. Be looking for this deer. But I also love doing it on my own. I love going out there and saying, running my cameras. I love patterning the deer. I like showing up at the right time, show, checking the wind, knowing what stand I need to be in. And then whenever it all comes together and it happens, that's the most satisfying thing ever. So when you do it on your own, it's like, I then can hang my hat. But if I had somebody say, hey, pull up on these dots and catch them right here and you're gonna win. And then when I go in, it's like, yeah, it's cool. I won the tournament. The ultimate goal is done. But it's like, dude, when you find them and you make them bite, that's the puzzle.

[Colin Cowherd]

I love it. Listen to lines and tines with Spencer Graves on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm gonna ask you to be the general manager before the end of the hour. You have to pay a quarterback 250 million, 140 of it guaranteed, 25 and under quarterbacks. Who would you give it to? So the Giants fired their head coach on Monday during the show. And I said, two coaches feel pretty obvious to me. Mike McCarthy and Lane Kiffin. Lane Kiffin, Coach Jackson Dart in college, the Giants quarterback. And Mike McCarthy works with every quarterback, even won games with Cooper Rush. You know, a lot of pushback on that either. You know, Lane's a college guy, which I think college and pro football look very similar today. They didn't 15 years ago. And Mike McCarthy gets more crap for a guy that won a Super bowl than any coach ever. Bill Belichick's name is surfaced. Belichick was asked about it as Carolina Prepares for the next game. Getting ready for your course. That's all I got this week. Has anyone asked you or players or recruits want to know whether future. I've been asked about it from time to time. But yeah, look, it's, I've been down this road before. I'm focused on Wait Forest. That's it and that's my commitment to this team and next week it'll be to our next opponent and so forth. But you know I'm here to do best I can for this team. Listen, I have defended Belichick's relationship with one 20 year old. I just don't. I'm not going to give him Jackson Dart 2. Okay. No, I think you can look at Belichick as the world has changed in football and you can look at one player, Mac Jones. This is what worries me. When Mac Jones was in New England and Josh McDaniels was there, he made a Pro Bowl. Mac Jones this year with Kyle Shanahan has been the best bridge slash backup quarterback in the league. Last week he was 33. At 39 he can really play. He's a franchise quarterback. When Josh left, took the Raiders job and Bill had him. He was awful, unplayable. As many turnovers as touchdowns. So there is a formula that works with young quarterbacks and it's not saddled upside a 74 year old defensive coach. It's not. And so I know Lane Kiffin and Mike McCarthy aren't that attractive but there's a formula to this and I know Bill was great. But be very careful about memories and lore and tradition. We love, love to glamorize and romanticize sports and we just do. Baseball over the last two years has grown because of one reason. They stopped looking in the rearview mirror. They just made all sorts of changes. They started looking through the windshield. Baseball is on a two year heater and, and, and basketball, by the way, basketball's ratings are up. Well, they put more games on NBC, they have more partners, they've made their product more available not just on cable. New contract. The NFL does a better job than any sport in my lifetime of always upgrading rules. So I mean Tom Brady's last two years in New England, Tom Brady had 53 touchdowns. First two years in Tampa in the 80s. So go look at Mac Jones, a young quarterback and the greatest quarterback, young and old in their years with Belichick when he had, remember Belichick in New England at the end was controlling personnel. Tom had nobody to throw to. When Josh McDaniels was there for Mac Jones. Mac Jones was excellent. I mean, for a young guy that's not super athletic, he was very good Pro Bowler. So that's my issue with Belichick. Maybe he could work with a stable quarterback or a stable culture. I don't want him near my young quarterback. Just not, not interested. McCarthy, Lane Kiffin. Heartbeat. Bill may be a legend, but it's rearview mirror stuff to me. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no, turn on the news. This is the Herdline news, right?

[J.J. McCarthy]

Colin, A few weeks ago I said I was really sick of Pittsburgh. Then they beat the Colts. And then you saw what happened last weekend. Another brutal loss to the Chargers. Colin, they're fading fast. Specifically Aaron Rodgers. 52% completions against the Chargers. I mean, Colin, that's the worst for Rodgers in quite some time. With the Ravens on their heels in the AFC North, Mike Tomlin somehow is not worried about his quarterback's poor play.

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm not going to, you know, chalk it up to an off night, but there are no long term concerns. I'm just not going to allow your words to be my words.

[J.J. McCarthy]

That's all you describe.

[Colin Cowherd]

Sunday night was what it was, but I have no long term reservations about his ability to play the position and play the position at a high level for us. I. It's my second favorite bet of the week is the Pittsburgh Steelers.

[J.J. McCarthy]

Wow.

[Colin Cowherd]

I like. First of all, they got, they got beat on Thursday by the Bengals. They're salty. They're a better team at home. Cincinnati's not very good. They're coming off an ugly loss, Aaron's worst game. And the Chargers actually are pretty good, I think. I think Pittsburgh will rebound and they'll win comfortably against the really bad team in the Bengals. Steelers aren't a bad team. They've got holes and liabilities and weaknesses. They still can't run the ball seven years in a row, but Pittsburgh will throttle Cincinnati. Interesting.

[J.J. McCarthy]

So, Bengals, you saw the big news this week, right? Joe Burrow returning at some point. He's back at practice, right? I wonder if embattled coach Zach Taylor can use this as a rallying cry. Hey, Joe's coming back. We just gotta pick up a win or two. We steal one here. We already beat these chumps, right? We're right back in the wild card race. I wonder if with a bye week, this is a huge motivational space for the Cincinnati Bengals. Colin why not? Why not us? Everybody in the AFC is losing the Steelers.

[Colin Cowherd]

Tomlin's issue has always been he's a terrible Thursday night coach. That's true. So when they got beat by Cincinnati, you and I talked about this. Tomlin's great on Monday Night Football. He's terrible on Thursday Night Football. So now we're back to a normal week, not a short week. Pittsburgh's got the better, the better roster, the better quarterback. Home field advantage. Better coach? Yeah, I think, I think Pittsburgh. Here's what we know about Pittsburgh. We don't know what they are week to week. Don't forget the two weeks ago they destroyed the Colts at home. That's.

[J.J. McCarthy]

Oh, wait a minute. The Colts turned it over six times. Like, come on.

[Colin Cowherd]

They didn't hand them the ball. They earned some of those turnovers.

[J.J. McCarthy]

Daniel Jones kind of handed them the.

[Colin Cowherd]

Ball a couple times.

[J.J. McCarthy]

But the other thing on the Bengals con these divisional matchups second time around. There's some data that shows later in the season these games are closer because of the familiarity between the coaching staffs, the teams. I would be careful. The number is five and a half pass for me. Plus, you know, I love to root against Aaron Rodgers. Next story, let's go to Detroit and Philly. This is a great Sunday night football matchup. I gotta be honest, I'm a little surprised this is only two and a half. A lot of respect in the market for the Lions.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yep.

[J.J. McCarthy]

I mean, hell, when you smash Washington and score on seven straight possessions, you have to. Dan Campbell, very excited for the matchup, knows the margins will be thin in a clash of NFC powers.

[Colin Cowherd]

This is a heavyweight. This is a heavyweight match. And man, one misstep can cost you this game. Now that shouldn't make you tight. That shouldn't make you play conservative. Just understand, man, it's going to take all three units and every play. Man, you got to give it your full attention and lay it on the freaking line. You can't ask for anything better. Yeah, I like Philadelphia. It was one and a half. I like them more than I do two and a half. But I think Philadelphia knows what they are. It's flawed, but they know what they are. I would worry that Dan Campbell had to take over play calling duties last week. That's weird. Don't love that. Didn't love the hire. Don't love that.

[J.J. McCarthy]

So I just, you know, I know Detroit just played outdoors against Washington, but historically that dome team going outdoors, it's just not as speedy of a team. I'm saying. Brown. Not as fast, Gibbs. Not as fast. Now the Eagles are off the night game again. A short week.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[J.J. McCarthy]

Against the Packers. That was a tough one. I got to check the injuries and the weather as well. But I don't see why. I mean, you remember when Detroit went outdoors against the Chiefs? That's just not the same team.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right?

[J.J. McCarthy]

I don't know.

[Colin Cowherd]

I.

[J.J. McCarthy]

This to me seems like a slam dunk Eagles. Maybe I'm missing something. Maybe there's an injury I didn't see Monday night.

[Colin Cowherd]

One and a half. At one and a half. It was a top three bet of the week. I thought. Philadelphia minus one and a half. It's up to two and a half. Philadelphia is the play here.

[J.J. McCarthy]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Final story.

[J.J. McCarthy]

Colin. I love this one. The Dallas Mavericks obviously fired their GM Nico Harrison after the worst trade in NBA history. Well, now it's getting real spicy. There is an NBA writer named John Hollinger who is floating the idea, hey man, Dallas ain't going to the playoffs this year. Kyrie's not coming back. Build around Cooper Flag, trade Anthony Davis, put him on the market, see what picks you can get. And essentially, you know the fan base I'm sure you saw. I talked about this on my podcast. Cooper Flag's mom was basically retweeted someone endorsing firing Nico Harrison because the whole arena's booing during the game. And she's like, why do we have to put up with this crap?

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Crap.

[J.J. McCarthy]

Essentially the Nico Harrison trade. There's just a stench lingering. And I hate to say it, but Anthony Davis was part of that trade.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[J.J. McCarthy]

And. And I almost think you kind of have to move him just to move on from that trade. Right. You fired Nico, now you got to move Ad I'm putting you on the spot here, but do you have any landing spots for Anthony Davis? And oh, by the way, no Laker fan wants him back. Just to put that out there.

[Colin Cowherd]

I don't.

[J.J. McCarthy]

He's still a little overweight. He's still injured. I think he's coming back this week. They expect.

[Colin Cowherd]

No, I thought defensively he's really good. Yeah. I said, I said two weeks ago on the show, I watched two Mavericks games. He looked heavy. It did not look like he was in great shape, so. And that earlier in his career had been an issue. Yeah, I mean, I just think Dallas, it just kind of smells the franchise. It was a bad move. I. I always said if you want to trade Luca, then you got to get three first round picks. Anthony Davis, Max was maybe an Austin Reeves. Didn't. They didn't get enough. I'm. I'm not anti trading him, but you got to get more because I do think the drafts going forward this next Draft, by the way. Oh no. It's one of the best drafts in a decade. I mean the top three picks are like can't miss guys. The Kansas wing, the boozer kid, BYU star, like the, this nb the Nil is going to make all these NBA drafts going forward much more fortified, much better drafts, much thicker at the top. Eight or nine guys that can't miss. I, I was okay moving Luca. If I got Austin Reeves three first round picks in ad, they just didn't get enough. And then when everybody got hurt, then it makes the trade look disastrous. So I'm, I'm not one of these. You know, when they, when the Chiefs traded Tyreek Hill. Oh my God. Or Micah getting traded, Dallas's defense was bad. This year, it's bad. Last year I'm for trades, but you got to get more than the Mavericks got the problem.

[J.J. McCarthy]

Colin. I don't think the Mavericks could go out there and be like, oh, we're going to get two. First for ad. I'm sorry, I don't think that, I don't think anything close to that. I mean, I don't want to say you sell them on pennies on the dollar, but using your theory, if something's not working, you just got to make them just cut bait. They might just have to take a poo poo platter of guys and you know, a not great first and a second round pick for Anthony Davis, who again, at the height of his powers, he's a really good, impactful defensive player.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd lie news. So I was thinking about this. Ask yourself, what draft picks did we think were going to be pretty sensational players and they really haven't delivered. I'll give you a list. Travis Hunter with the Jags, Ashton Jenny with the Raiders, and Cam Ward with the Titans. Those are dynamic players and they didn't do anything. So there's a story. Travis Hunter, they shut him down for the year. He had 298 yards this year, one touchdown. Do you really think Travis Hunter, if he went to the Chiefs, the Rams or the Ravens would have under 300 yards. That would be me. Marginal defensive player, really talented. So that's. Whenever I hear all the jets in Cleveland have a bunch of first round picks, my take is that's just giving money in the family to the one guy that's irresponsible with money. The Jags screw everything up. The Browns, jets, they screw everything up. I don't want to hear about all your first round picks. By the way, what rookies have actually been really good. Oh, Will Campbell going to Vrabel and Robert Kraft, the Patriots. Oh, Tyler Warren going to Shane Steichen, great gm, Colts. Oh, a Mecca at Buka. Tampa was a playoff team. Oh, Gray Zabel, Seattle. Well run. I mean, go look at the first round. Everybody said, oh, Cam Warden, Travis. They're going to be unbelievable. Look where they went. The guys that are actually good is the first guy that went to Mike Frable. Now I will say T. Mac the receiver in Carolina. They're dysfunctional, though less so today than two years ago. He's pretty good. But when I hear about all these draft picks, go look at Travis Hunter. This whole flyer on cornerback is dumb. He's a wide receiver. It's an offensive league. Get him the ball. 14 targets, 11 catches, two jet sweeps, one reverse super talented player. But he's a receiver and a return man. Get him out of corner. Go look at the we thought Ashton Genty was going to be unbelievable. Travis Hunter and Cam Ward. A lot of these guys are super talented. They went to franchises that don't know what to do with the money, don't know what to do with the talent. Bummer, but it's true. Okay, you're the general manager. You're the general manager. You have until the end of today to give quarterbacks a $250 million contract. 140 of it's guaranteed. We'll throw the 25 and under quarterbacks out there and show you how difficult these decisions are. Next, the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd. Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific. Breaking news not everything's terrible. We repeat, not everything is terrible. The ripple effect is proof that the Internet hasn't ruined humanity entirely. Hosted by Jenna Kim Jones, it's funny and uplifting. Podcast spotlights the quiet, powerful ways people still choose good. Each episode features real stories of kindness, of barbers changing more than just their client's haircut, of the secret life of leftover hotel soap, of vending machines that dispense just the help somebody needs, like magic. If you're tired of outrage, if your thumbs are sore from doom scrolling, or if you just need a reason to smile again, this podcast is your new favorite scroll break. It's heartfelt, hopeful, a gentle reminder. Goodness is still out there. Surprisingly contagious too. So put down your phone, pick up your faith in humanity and join Jenna for the ripple effect. It's a reminder that you can start a ripple that changes Everything. Listen to the ripple effect on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Podcast Host]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Podcast Host]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Podcast Host]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently. It said 20 billion won. 20 million is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and better and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Podcast Host]

Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.

[Colin Cowherd]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

[Katie Couric]

On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric. I sat down with Bernie Sanders, who is 84 years old, has spent 34 years Congress, and he can still pack a rally with people a quarter of his age.

[Colin Cowherd]

Denver, 34,000 people come out. Salt Lake City, 20,000 people. You know, huge turnouts. People are really dissatisfied about the status quo.

[Katie Couric]

His fighting oligarchy tour with AOC and other young progressives has become a movement. But is his message too far to the left? Well, he certainly doesn't think so.

[Colin Cowherd]

Does that sound like a radical idea? Is that too far left for you?

[Katie Couric]

Okay, okay, wait, wait. I get your point.

[Colin Cowherd]

Point, Bernie.

[Katie Couric]

We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living, and of course, the government shutdown, not to mention the current state of the Democratic Party.

[Colin Cowherd]

To me, the failure of the Democratic Party has been an unwillingness to recognize the real issues.

[Katie Couric]

Open your free iHeartRadio app search next question with Katie Couric. And listen.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

Now, I'm Eva Longoria. And I'm Maite Gomez Rajan. And on our podcast Hungry for History, we mix two of our favorite favorite things, food and history. Ancient Athenians used to scratch names onto oyster shells and they called these ostracon to vote politicians into exile. So our word ostracize is related to the word oyster. No way.

[Colin Cowherd]

Bring back the ostracon.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

And because we've got a very mi casa es su casa kind of vibe on our show, friends always stop by.

[J.J. McCarthy]

Pretty much every entry into this side of the planet was through the El Golf of Mexico.

[Colin Cowherd]

No, the America. No the America. El Golfo de Mexico continuado a si forever and ever.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

It blows me away how progressive Mexico was in this moment. They had land reform, they had labor rights, they had education rights. Mustard seeds were so valuable to the ancient Egyptians that they used to place them in their tombs for the afterlife. Listen to Hungry for History as part of the My Cultura Podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Colin Cowherd]

Lines and Tines with Spencer Graves on the iHeartRadio app is a podcast designed for hunters and fishermen to enjoy success.

[Spencer Graves]

I like the idea of like, hey, put me on a big deer. You know, hey, there's a big deer out here. He's doing this. Be looking for this deer. But I also love doing it on my own. I love going out there and saying, running my cameras. I love patterning the deer. I like showing up at the right time, checking the wind, knowing what stand I need to be in. And then whenever it all comes together and it happens, that's the most satisfying thing ever. So when you do it on your own, it's like, I then can hang my hat. But if I had somebody say, hey, pull up on these dots and catch them right here and you're gonna win. And then when I go in, it's like, yeah, it's cool. I won the tournament. The ultimate goal is done. But it's like, dude, when you find them and you make them bite, that's the puzzle.

[Colin Cowherd]

I love it. Listen to lines and Tines with Spencer Graves on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[J.J. McCarthy]

Fox College football Friday is under the lights in primetime. This week it's a battle in the Big Ten as Minnesota takes on Dante Moore and number eight, Oregon. Friday night, 9pm Eastern, 6pm Pacific on Fox.

[Colin Cowherd]

So Chase Daniel was talking the other day on a podcast, and he knows the Sean Payton Saints Denver system very well offensively. And he said when he watches Bo Nix, he sees somebody that just doesn't. He's not seeing it. He's not seeing the stuff that's open. But it's interesting. Everybody's good at spending somebody else's money. But if you were a GM and this is what GMs go through. I mean, Cleveland sat down in a room and said, baker's driving us crazy. We know he's talented. We're going to let him go. They probably regret it. Now. Minnesota, you know, do we keep Sam? We pay him this. We let him go. Minnesota regrets it. So Stefanski is really smart. Kevin o' Connell's really smart. And they let go of Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold, and now they're Pro bowl level quarterbacks. The stuff is hard. It's easy when you get somebody on a discount. They're on a rookie contract, you know, or you're spending somebody else's money. But if I said, you're the general manager and knowing that the minute you pay a quarterback big money, the roster will not look the same. Like for instance, if you paid Caleb Williams $290 million today, new contract. We got to let D.J. moore go. We got to let Joe Tuni go. We can't pay for all of it. Can't. Can't get. You got to let. Now I got Roma dun, and I'll still have Drew Dman and Jonah Jackson. I. I probably got to let Joe Tuni go. Kansas City had to let Joe Tuni go with protecting my homes. They had to let him go guard. Okay, so all these things considered. Here are the quarterbacks in the NFL, 25 and under. There's 11. Okay, so if I said you have until the end of the business day today to make a decision. 290, $300 million contract, half of it guaranteed. Who are the three you would take? The easy one is Drake May. Drake May wasn't great last year. He was lousy in the opener against the Raiders. But the last eight, nine weeks, that's a franchise quarterback. Drake May's the easy one. You need three total. The next two I would take are C.J. stroud, who's hurt again. And his passer rating the last two years is 89. Ain't great. Not really a starter. 89. And the next, I would take his Caleb and his two years in the NFL. Year and a half. His passer rating hovers around 90. Not great. Okay, so. And even with Ben Johnson, it's like 92 and a half. That's not great. I'd like upper 90s. Okay, so the three, 25 and under. And for our radio audience, I'll read you the quarterbacks. Jaden Daniels. Okay. I can't. He's hurt for the fourth time a year and a half in Jackson, Dart lives in the blue tent. J.J. mcCarthy obvious reasons. Michael Penix Jr. Hurt in college looks really, really disappointing so far. Brock Purdy small hurt again. Mac Jones went 33 at 39 last weekend. Has, has Brock ever done that? I'm just asking Cam Ward who knows Bryce Young probably not going to extend him. So you start looking at all these. My three one with no hesitation is Drake May. The next two. CJ Stroud has a couple of playoff wins. Hurt again. 90 passer rating last two years. I would resign him and Caleb because I think with Ben we're getting a truer version of himself and it's about a 92 passer rating. But everybody bangs on Bo Nix. Let me remind you of Bo Nix. Two things I want to remind you of in the fourth quarter this season. He's basically number one at everything. First downs, game winning drives, total touchdowns, second yards really good in the fourth quarter. For the record, so is Caleb. The second thing is he's durable. He never gets hurt. Go look at that list to get Jackson Dart hurt. Jaden Daniels hurt. Bryce Young hurt. C.J. stroud hurt. Everybody's hurt, everybody's banged up. Bo Nicks and Caleb Williams and Drake May, they don't get hurt. Sean Payton this week on Bonix and speeding up his game internally I think it's a plus and a minus. I've said that before. I think one of his great strengths is not taking sacks and so the clock in his head relative to that sense of urgency. So I think there is a fine line. I think that a much easier problem to correct than the latter which is taking the sacks and historically speaking it's proven to be much more difficult to fix. Yeah so he, he's probably letting go of the ball a step early, not a step late. He's playing a little fast, a little frenetic. But you, I'm always amazed by people that overlook durability. How many times is Brock Purdy going to be hurt? How many, how many times is Jackson Dart going to go to the blue tent? Bo Nix never gets hurt. Caleb Williams never gets hurt. I need my guys there. So like I, I said this about Mac Jones. Mac Jones, I don't see a lot of injuries. Brock Purdy hurt again all the time. I, I don't know how you can overlook that. Cam Ward, it's almost unfair to put him in there. He has no support. He could be really good eventually. But if I said you got to pick three guys and you got to write the check knowing when you write the check you got to let people go. Now Drake May, you Could sign that check. They're not paying anybody. So they wouldn't have to let people go. Travion Henderson, rookie. Kyle Williams, receiver, rookie. So they're in a good space. Will Campbell, left, can't tackle rookie. They're in a really good space. But Caleb, if you sign him, or CJ Stroud, if you sign him, you gotta let people go. So Bo Nix. Everybody's banging on Bo Nicks, durable, wins games great in the fourth quarter. What is Caleb this year, durable, wins games great in the fourth quarter. I'm sorry, for me, I'm into that. I've worked with people in this industry that are really talented. They're just not dependable. High and low, don't get them every day. We talked about masonry, so I don't know, I. You don't have to like Bo Nicks and how it looks. He's the best fourth quarter quarterback in the league right now. He's never hurt and he wins games. He's 18 and 9 in a division with Mahomes and Herbert and Harbaugh Spags, Andy Reid, J. Mac. I know that's a very disappointing segment for you.

[J.J. McCarthy]

This is an awesome segment. I love this idea. So I. I'm gonna break it down for you. What where I agree and disagree. So I think let's process of elimination. Right off the bat you can eliminate three guys. They're not in the mix. Bryce Young, out. Michael Penix out. Bo Nicks out. Those three guys, you and I don't agree on that.

[Colin Cowherd]

I like the durable guy that wins games.

[J.J. McCarthy]

Well, again, you know we have two years worth of data and his numbers are not good at all. Yes, he has been able to finagle some wins with Sean Payton, beat a lot of bad teams. But I would eliminate Bo Nicks, not enough data so far. Cam Ward, I don't think you can make a decision. Jackson Dart. I know we love him but can't make a decision. And J.J. mcCarthy, you cannot. You just. He's had four starts. Okay. So that leaves five guys for. Do you want two or three spots?

[Colin Cowherd]

Three spots.

[J.J. McCarthy]

Okay. Drake May, I think you're right. Based on the two years we've seen, I think he's in. I do believe you're missing on Brock Purdy. And why is that, Colin? Because he's played more than all these guys. Brock Purdy has played way more games than Caleb Williams. He has more wins, which you love, obviously more touchdowns, more games. He had two game winning drives in the postseason two years ago. I know Caleb has four this year.

[Colin Cowherd]

Whoa.

[Katie Couric]

Whoa, whoa.

[J.J. McCarthy]

Brock Purdy has two in the playoffs. Okay? Purdy has. His yards per attempt are 8.8 in his career. Caleb Wayne's only 6.8. A lot of dink and dunk. So I think Brock Purdy's a lock. I think Brock Purdy is after Drake May. And then you go between Caleb Stroud and Jaden Daniels. And Caleb has looked good. But Khan, do you think you're being a little emotional? You now move to Chicago. Caleb's on a heater.

[Colin Cowherd]

If I told you, you'd never seen anybody play. I said I'm going to give you this significantly better athlete who never gets hurt.

[J.J. McCarthy]

Well, no, he doesn't never get hurt. He just hasn't been hurt. I mean, he's played like 25 games or something.

[Colin Cowherd]

Caleb didn't get hurt last year. He didn't get hurt in college. He didn't get hurt in high school. He's not hurt this year. If I told you you did with Brock Purdy and Caleb Williams, you'd never seen him play. I said one guy, much better arm. Also significantly more athletic and way more durable. Not a GM in the league that would take Brock.

[J.J. McCarthy]

Yes. Now here's the big thing with Caleb. So last year he didn't look good at all. Numbers were horrible, body language terrible.

[Colin Cowherd]

Everything was awesome. Let's stop. Let's talk 20 touchdowns, six picks and a passer rating close to 90. It wasn't.

[J.J. McCarthy]

Well, those are three numbers. There's a billion numbers that go into the equation. But he changed coaches and upgraded to Ben Johnson. So now he has basically Brock Purdy has Kyle Shanahan and Caleb has Ben Johnson and Brock Purdy's data compared to Caleb's so far is night and day. Brock Purdy's been the better quarterback by almost every metric.

[Colin Cowherd]

He has more starts and he has a veteran coach and he has Christian McCaffrey does that. McCaffrey. And he's hurt all the time. And he's hurt again. And Mac Jones just put up a Sunday better than any Brock Purdy ever did from the pocket.

[J.J. McCarthy]

I mean, Tyson Ben filled in last year and was like capable. Remember, he had a starter, too.

[Colin Cowherd]

Nobody, nobody thinks I know Tyson be is Caleb Mack Jones last week. That's a better. That's a better Sunday in the pocket than Brock purdy ever had. 33 at 39 with backups just by the completion percentage.

[J.J. McCarthy]

Listen, I get it. You're out on Purdy. He had the shoulder injury in the playoffs and then the toe thing this year. I mean, if he's injury prone. I don't know what Joe that makes Joe burrow. Injuries happen though.

[Colin Cowherd]

I mean, come on.

[J.J. McCarthy]

Jaden Daniels fluky putting his arm down.

[Colin Cowherd]

Hyperextended Mahomes has never hurt and Josh Allen's not hurt and, and Caleb's not hurt and Bo Nix isn't hurt and Eli Manning didn't get hurt. And I mean the truth is, most of Aaron Rodgers career, he didn't get hurt. Most of Brady's he didn't get hurt. And I think some guys are just brittle and small. By the way, two is hurt and then Kyler gets banged up and Bryce Young is hurt and Brock Purdy's not big as well. I don't think it's just coincidence. Like, I don't think it's coincidence. The Jags have all these great picks and none of them pan out. And yet, and yet Mike Vrabel gets his top picks this year. His top three picks, they all work out. I don't think that's, I don't think that's osmosis happenstance. Smart people, bigger, stronger, durable athletes over time is who I'm with. I've always told you that before. I like traits and trunky and thick and I like all that stuff. That, that stuff matters to me. If you're a little small, a little Finn, you become Jaden Daniels. You know, how are you? Next.

[Katie Couric]

On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric. I sat down with Bernie Sanders. We've talked many times over the years and today he even throws a few questions my way.

[Colin Cowherd]

All right, are you ready for another question? Go ahead, hit me, Bernie.

[Katie Couric]

We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living, and of course, the government shutdown. Listen to Next Question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Colin Cowherd]

Join me, Danny Trejo in Tales from the Shadows, an anthology of modern day horror stories, stories inspired by the legends and lore of Latin America. Listen to Nocturnal Tales from the Shadow bush on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

[J.J. McCarthy]

You know the shade is always shadiest right here.

[Colin Cowherd]

Season six of the podcast Reasonably Shady.

[J.J. McCarthy]

With Gisele Bryant and Robyn Dixon is here dropping every Monday as two of the founding members of the Real Housewives Potomac. We're giving you all the laughs, drama and reality news you can handle. And you know, we don't hold back.

[Colin Cowherd]

So come be reasonable or shady with.

[J.J. McCarthy]

Us each and every Monday. Listen to Reasonably Shady from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Colin Cowherd]

Jenna World, Jenna Jamison, Vivid Video and the Valley is a new podcast about the history of the adult film industry. I'm Molly Lambert and I'll be your tour guide on a wild trip through adult films. We get paid more than the men. We call the shots. In what way is that degrading? That's us taking hold of our life. Listen to Gentle world on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanksgiving isn't just about food. It's a day for us to show up for for one another. It's okay not to be okay sometimes and be able to build strength and love within each other. I'm Elliot Connie, host of the podcast Family Therapy, a series where real families come together to heal and find hope.

[Jenna Kim Jones]

I've always wanted us to have therapy.

[Colin Cowherd]

So this is such a beautiful opportunity. Listen to season two of Family Therapy every Wednesday on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. This is an I heart podcast.