THE HERD - Hour 1 - Celtics blow a 3-1 lead, ranking the top 10 players in the Knicks-76ers series

Summary

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The Herd With Colin Cowherd – Hour 1 (May 4, 2026)

Main Theme:
Colin recaps the Celtics’ meltdown against the Sixers, explores their roster construction and overreliance on formulas, analyzes LeBron carrying the Lakers with unreliable co-stars, and ranks the top 10 players in the upcoming Knicks-Sixers playoff series.

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1. Celtics Blow a 3-1 Lead to Sixers: The Downfall of a Formula Team

[02:05 – 11:55]

Key Points:

• Boston’s collapse wasn’t just Philly’s victory, but Boston’s failure:
  • Celtics’ formulaic, three-point heavy offense unraveled under pressure.
  • When Tatum hobbled off in Game 6, Embiid’s presence shifted the series.
  • Boston shot 50 more threes than any playoff team and 100 more than Philly, but in Game 7, went 0-for-7 on threes in the final 3:49 while trailing by one, failing to get a traditional basket.
• Lack of adaptability:
  • Cowherd: “I like formulas... but you can’t fall in love with them. You gotta adjust.” [03:05]
  • Playoff basketball demands "manalytics": “Get a bucket and get a stop.” [05:15]
• Roster construction and lack of athleticism:
  • Celtics started non-threatening lineup in Game 7 (Harper, Garza, Shireman).
  • Missed Al Horford's glue and Porzingis’ ability to stretch Embiid out.
  • 70% of their cap tied up in Jayson Tatum and Jalen Brown for next season, creating little flexibility.
  • Colin suggests aggressive offseason moves: “I’d go after Aaron Gordon of the Denver Nuggets. They have to get more athletic.” [06:40]
• Philly’s edge:
  • More dynamic, athletic core: Maxey, Edgecombe, Paul George, and Embiid.
  • Embiid “easily the best player in the series when healthy” and flips the script.
• Metaphors:
  • “The Avengers is a formula, but it really works if you got Robert Downey Jr.” [07:20]
  • “Mission Impossible is a formula, but it really only works if you have Tom Cruise.”
• Coach Joe Mazzulla’s reaction:
  • “After the year we won, I felt just as empty as we did when we lost… When you go after greatness, you have to accept the other side of that... we’ve failed by not winning.” – Mazzulla [09:00]

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2. LeBron’s Longevity Outshines Unreliable Co-Stars & the Lakers’ Unexpected Advance

[11:55 – 13:24]

Key Points:

• The Lakers eliminated the Rockets—despite preseason doubts and LeBron’s age.
• LeBron’s co-stars keep failing him:
  • AD was supposed to be the dependable in-his-prime star, but was often injured and inconsistent.
  • Luka Doncic, now the latest project, also failed to play due to injury.
  • “They’re the same guy—never in great shape, inconsistent, not reliable physically,” Cowherd says of AD and Luka. [12:40]
• LeBron as “the only constant”:
  • “The only dependable thing since LeBron showed up to Los Angeles is LeBron. Not the coach, not AD, not Luka.” [12:05]
  • LeBron pulls together “B-minus and C-plus guys” (Ayton, Hachimura) and wins against a younger, deeper Rockets squad.
• JJ Redick on LeBron:
  • “He’s had the greatest career of any NBA player… For him to do it again and answer the bell—it’s really baffling.” – JJ Redick [13:00]
• Longevity Parallels:
  • Colin compares LeBron to Tom Brady—retirement eventually comes not from talent falling off, but the grind.

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3. NBA Roundup & Playoff Notes

[20:10 – 24:41]

Pistons Complete 3-1 Comeback versus Orlando

• Cade Cunningham erupts, Magic choke a 24-point lead, and Mosley is fired.
• Orlando’s drought: “They missed 23 straight shots... this is so bad that Jamal Mosley got fired, by the way.” – J Mac [21:19]
• Detroit next faces Cleveland. Colin: “I like Detroit.” [22:12]

Ant Edwards Injury Watch and Spurs-T’wolves Preview

• Edwards questionable for Game 1 but may play.
• Colin predicts a closer series than consensus: T’wolves are “thick, tough, physical,” a weird matchup for young, talented Spurs.
• “Julius Randle could be a huge problem in this series. He’s the kind of bully that could push around Wemby.” [23:30]
• J Mac predicts Spurs in five but warns of a letdown for Minnesota after their emotional series win.

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4. NFL Quick Hits: CJ Stroud’s Value & Aaron Rodgers Rumors

[16:20 – 28:02]

The CJ Stroud–Justin Herbert Parallels

• Colin blasts an “anonymous executive” who doubts Stroud: “The great thing about anonymous quotes is they let me see crazy people—I just don’t know who they are.” [16:20]
• Stroud’s playoff success is rare: “Three straight years he’s won a playoff game... That is no small thing.”
• Both Stroud and Herbert plagued by injuries to skill players and O-line, but undeniably valuable.

Aaron Rodgers to Arizona?

• New rumors link Rodgers (who has a home in Malibu) to the Cardinals, which Colin believes is a logical fit:
  • “I'm Aaron Rodgers. You’re not winning a Super Bowl in Pittsburgh… I would think about Arizona. Absolutely.” [26:12]
• Nathaniel Hackett is now OC in Arizona, Rodgers’ former ally.
• J Mac: “If you’re an Arizona Cardinals fan... Aaron Rodgers is going to be too good, he’s going to get you at least six wins. Takes you out of the running for a top-three pick.” [27:01]
• Colin: “Coaches want to win games. Coaches don’t worry about draft position. Coaches want to win games.” [28:02]

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5. Warriors’ Future Hinges on Lottery Luck and Hope for Giannis

[28:02 – 34:03]

Warriors’ Roster Limitations

• Little cap space, few young assets; dependence on aging stars.
• Realistic trade assets pale compared to teams like Houston.
• Golden State’s “Hail Marys”: win the number one pick (NBA Lottery odds same as Mavs’ recent Cooper Flagg win) or somehow land Giannis for a massive bundle of picks.
• “If the Warriors win it [the lottery]... You thought people screamed ‘rigged’ with the Mavericks…” [32:53]

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6. Ranking the Top 10 Players: Knicks vs. Sixers Series

[34:20 – 45:37]

Colin’s Top Ten (with Brief Justifications):

1. Joel Embiid (Sixers): “Dominant when healthy. Saw against Celtics—nobody has answers.” [34:39]
2. OG Anunoby (Knicks): “May be the best two-way player in the game... smart, tough, elite defender.” [35:10]
3. Tyrese Maxey (Sixers): “Jumps off the television. Averaging 27 a game. Electric athlete.” [35:33]
4. Jalen Brunson (Knicks): “Clutch, but a defensive liability; can get worn down in a series.” [35:58]
5. Paul George (Sixers): “Was OG before OG. Great two-way when healthy.” [36:20]
6. Karl-Anthony Towns (Knicks): “The key to the series. Super-skilled but can be moody and foul-prone.” [36:46]
7. BJ Edgecombe (Sixers): “Wildly athletic rookie; gave Brunson trouble defensively.” [37:25]
8. Mikal Bridges (Knicks): “Hot and cold but long, athletic, now finding groove.” [37:58]
9. Josh Hart (Knicks): “Glue guy, vocal leader, nearly a double-double in playoffs.” [38:14]
10. Kelly Oubre (Sixers): “6-8, long, athletic, multi-positional defender.” [38:24]

• Key Chess Matches:
  • Edgecombe on Brunson: “Can he wear Brunson out as the series goes on?” [38:51]
  • Embiid attacking KAT: “KAT has fouled out in a half… can get handsy and emotional.” [39:25]

Notable Quotes:

• “If Embiid gets him [KAT] into foul trouble and you have to go to Mitchell Robinson, you become very Jalen Brunson dependent.” – Colin [36:54]
• “This might be a six or seven game series… a lot depends on Paul George and Embiid’s health.” – Colin [43:07]
• J Mac: “I love the list… statistically Maxey’s got Brunson beat in almost every category this season, but so much is skewed with missed time and suspensions.” [43:41]
• “Nobody has committed more fouls in the NBA over the last three years than KAT.” – Colin [44:36]

Series X-Factors:

• Can Embiid stay healthy for seven games?
• Will Edgecombe wear Brunson down over a long series?
• How will Mike Brown’s use of KAT as a point center affect Philly’s defense?
• KAT’s fouling and emotional control could swing games.

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7. Closing Thoughts

[45:37 – end]

• Colin teases “Colin Right, Colin Wrong” coming up; reiterates bench production might not decide Knicks-Sixers (“starting five vs. starting five”) but mentions Mitchell Robinson’s potential impact.
• Reemphasizes Sixers as “profoundly talented, but with injury questions,” and the drama of whether KAT can control his foul rate.

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• “I’m for formulas... but I prefer ‘manalytics’ in the playoffs: Get a bucket, get a stop.” – Colin [05:15]
• “The only dependable thing since LeBron showed up to Los Angeles is LeBron. Not the coach, not AD not Luka.” – Colin [12:05]
• “He’s had the greatest career of any NBA player… it’s really baffling in some ways.” – JJ Redick on LeBron [13:00]
• “Nobody has committed more fouls in the NBA over the last three years than Cat.” – Colin [44:36]
• “Coaches want to compete. Coaches don’t worry about draft position. Coaches want to win games.” – Colin on Rodgers/Cardinals [28:02]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Celtics’ Formulaic Failure & Sixers’ Athleticism: 02:05–11:55
• LeBron’s Reliability, Lakers Knock Out Rockets: 11:55–13:24
• CJ Stroud vs. Herbert; NFL Quick Hits: 16:20–20:10
• Magic Collapse, Pistons Advance; Playoff News: 20:10–24:41
• Ant Edwards Injury, Spurs-T’wolves Preview: 22:47–24:41
• Aaron Rodgers to Cardinals? : 25:12–28:02
• Warriors’ Future Hinges on Lottery Luck: 28:02–34:03
• Knicks/Sixers Top 10 Players Breakdown: 34:20–45:37

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This comprehensive breakdown covers all the main talking points, memorable quotes, and strategic takeaways from The Herd’s first hour, capturing Colin’s unique mix of sharp analysis, big-picture perspective, and signature metaphors.

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Thanks for listening to the Heard podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the [e-mail] or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Oh, Celtic season, it's dust. Knicks Sixers, Dust on deck. We are live. It's the herd. Wherever you may be, wherever how, however you may be watching. Thanks for making us part of your day. Where Colin was right Where Colin Was wrong in one hour. I like formulas. I'm kind of organized that way. But you can't fall in love with them. You gotta adjust. So the series, the Sixers beating the Celtics was as much about the Celtics losing as the Sixers, who now face the Knicks winning. And let's. Let's be honest. The Lakers won a series without Luca. The T Wolves won a series without Ant playing at the end. So you're thinking Boston's fine. But actually, in game six, when Tatum hobbled off, they were trailing. Then Embiid, best player on the floor easily. And Boston just didn't look athletic enough. And some of it's the construct of their team. They shot 50 more threes than any playoff team and 100 more than the Sixers in the series. I don't know what Phillies formula is, but I know Maxi Edgecombe, Paul George are super athletic. And the occasions when Embiid is actually healthy, he was easily the best player in the series. I am for formulas. I said this last week, the Celtics are more formula than fantastic. Okay, but I'm for formulas. The Seahawks ran the ball all year, and then circumstances changed and in the NFC championship, Sam Darnold threw 36 times and they only ran at 19. Because the Seahawks, because of the game script, had to adjust their formula. Boston in game seven trails by a point with 349 left. They jacked up seven threes and went over seven. Like, get a basket. And I've said this before, I am all for formulas, and I understand analytics, but I prefer manhlytics, which is in the playoffs. Get a bucket and get a stop. And this year, The Celtics were 29. And oh, when they shot over 40% in threes, but when they didn't, they're a.500 team. In the last three games in this series, they couldn't hit anything. And so that is why the Celtics seasons, they just hinge on this formula. And I mean, clearly I'd go after Aaron Gordon of the Denver Nuggets. He's going to be on the market. They have to get more athletic. They need to be more athletic at point. They need somebody else with length and athleticism down low, even if Gordon can only give you 58 games. But it's like the Avengers is a formula, but it really works if you got Robert Downey Jr. And Mission Impossible is a formula, but it really only works if you have Tom Cruise. And what's disturbing about the Celtics is even when Tatum was remember, Embiid didn't play the first three games in the series, so Boston controls it. The minute Embiid showed up, it was a different series, even when Tatum was around. So again, Maxi, Edgecomb, George, Embiid, they're just not relying on threes. And if you look at the lineup the Celtics started yesterday. Ron Harper, Luke Garza, Baylor Shireman. Does that sound like it's going to beat Embiid? And Paul George and Edgecomb and Maxi. It doesn't sound like it. And what's really interesting about the Celtics is next year, 70% of their cap is all Jalen Brown and Tatum. So there's not a lot of stuff you can do here. I think they missed Al Horford a lot more than they thought. And poor Zingis, who could, you know, move outside, hit a jumper, maybe they could have pulled Embiid away from the basket, but he just. Big, tall timber down there. Good luck beating him at the hole. So, I mean, I look at this thing, and I am four formulas. And I thought Boston was one of three teams, spurs, okc, and the Celtics that could win a championship. Because most of the year, you know, I mean, Embiid didn't start the series. You never know if Paul George is going to stay healthy. I'm like, I got Brown, I got Tatum, I got the culture, I got the coach, I got the threes. But, boy, they just got. They just did not adjust. I mean, the end of that thing, you're trailing by a point, not even a bucket with 349 left. Then you shoot seven threes, you miss all of them. Adjust. Here's Joe Missoula. After the year we won, I felt just as empty as we did when we lost. And the duality of going after something bigger than yourself with a group of people is you're always going to have. There's two sides to every coin, and you have to. When you go after greatness, you have to accept the other side of that. And too many times, you know, it's all about winning, winning, winning. But you have to surrender to the idea. If you're going to, you're going to. When you're going after that, you're going to fail. And, you know, we've. We've failed by not winning. Okay, let's talk now. I mean, we'll get to Knicks, Sixers. It's a coin flip to me again, is Embiid going to play seven games? Philly's got a real shot. If he doesn't, you know, edge to the Knicks, who are slight favorites. So the Lakers closed out the Rockets. I was kind of Surprised by that, J. Mac picked the Lakers. I thought Rockets would hold serve at home. They didn't. Awful offensive game. But it's funny. LeBron comes to LA, right? And LeBron's getting older. So rich Paul, the agent says, I'm going to get you Anthony Davis. 26 year old, vibrant Anthony Davis. And he was hurt more than LeBron and he couldn't really depend on him. And was he in shape? LeBron was a centerpiece and it's like, okay, we're going to get rid of that guy. You can't trust that guy. Let's get him, Luca. Let's get him. 25 year old Luca. And once again, Lucas hurt and not available in the series. And I think it's so interesting that the first when LeBron came to LA, he didn't like the roster. It was a lot of, you know, Lonzo Ball, Kyle Kuzma stuff. He didn't like any of that stuff. You don't want to play with young guys. Get me A.D. he's going into his prime. I mean, one year he was in great shape and AD may be the best defensive player in the league. So they thought, let's go get Luca, kind of same age he's in his prime. He'll be the best offensive player LeBron's ever played with. They're the same guy. They're never in great shape. Their games can be a little lopsided, they can be inconsistent and they're not reliable physically. And so. And that's what's amazing about. And again, nobody's denying AD Went through a stretch. He was the best defensive player in the league pre Wemby and Lucas, on any given night, the best offensive player in the league. But the one dependable thing since LeBron showed up to Los Angeles is LeBron. Not the coach, not AD not Luca. I mean, it's amazing what he did in this series. If you look at what the Rockets hat. Rockets were favored in the series. Minus 600 rockets. I think they were favored in every game. And you got Jabari Smith's a great young player. Shen Goon shepherd, you got Amen Thompson. That's like a. Those were. All three of those guys were top picks. Top four picks. So you get all this youth and athleticism and size. And here's LeBron with Deandre Ayton, who's moody, and Rui Otamora, who's really talented but kind of inconsistent. And both those guys were unbelievable. And LeBron just squeezing all the juice out of it. And So, I mean, LeBron is three months older than the coach of Oklahoma City. So it's very much Tom Brady. When Brady retired, he didn't retire because he wasn't good. It's the grind and the process and the travel and the family and it's just a lot of things. LeBron's going to eventually retire here in the next couple of years. It's not because he can't play. I mean, you saw the gap between him and kd. It's not even close anymore. His ability to pull everything together. But I think it's so ironic. He comes to LA and let's get him AD in his prime, he couldn't depend on him. All right, let's get him Luke. In his prime, not healthy. And the only healthy guy is LeBron. Here's JJ Redick on the win over the Rockets. The lights were off and literally every single guy was going. I mean, you know, it's, it speaks to his greatness. He's, he's, you know, to me, he's had the greatest career of any NBA player. He's one of, if not the greatest of all time. And for him to do it again and answer the, you know, answer the bell again, it's just, it's, it's really, it's baffling in some ways. 2387 shooting, 43%. But I, to me, the gap between KD and LeBron where, where, where Katie didn't play and the net rating was better for the Rockets. I mean, Luca didn't play and LeBron somehow squeezed a win out of no Luca and a semi healthy Austin Reeves. For a couple games. In the history of LeBron, this is going to be a footnote. It's not going to get that much attention. We're not going to talk about it 20 years from now, but remember this series and remember this LA journey. Let's get him A.D. he's hurt. Let's get him Luca. He's not available either. And 41 year old LeBron is carrying kind of B minus, C plus guys against a much younger, more athletic, robust lineup. It's crazy, crazy watching that thing and you know, it's, that the one thing about LeBron has always been true is whereas a guy like KD is sort of a silo player. I'm going to get a bucket. You really saw the strength of LeBron. I've always said he has nothing in common with MJ's game. It's a little bit of Magic Johnson, where everybody that played with magic was better. LeBron's more athletic than Magic Johnson, much better defender than Magic Johnson. But there you can see and that's the gift of Magic Johnson. Everybody that played with him had their best years with him. And you're going to look back years from now. It's like that Matthew Della Badova Finals, you're like, how are they competitive? What is happening? What am I watching? There you go. So J. Mac, you're feeling pretty good about that.

[J Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

Yeah. By the way, the funniest stat from Lakers, Thunder, Colin, there's three people who are 41 years old in the series. LeBron, Dag, not the coach of the Thunder and JJ Redick, coach of the Lakers. I mean it's like how is this even possible? Just a great, Great run for LeBron. They're probably going to get smashed here though, right?

[Colin Cowherd]

I mean, yeah, I mean it's, it's not a great man. It wouldn't be. I think it would be a tough matchup with Luca. It's, I mean, in terms of roster depth.

[J Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

Yeah, they can win a game.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, you can. I mean they listen when they're all healthy, they're one of the better offensive. You know, the Knicks and the Lakers are similar that when, when they're all healthy, half court offense, they're tough. Yeah, a lot of guys who can make shots. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey is Cavino and Rich from Fox Sports Radio. Now, in addition to hearing us live weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, we're excited to announce a brand new YouTube channel for the show. Yup, that's right. You can now watch Covino enriched live on YouTube every day. All you got to do search Covino and Rich FSR on YouTube again. Go to YouTube. Search Kovino Enrich FSR. Check us out on YouTube. Subscribe. Hit that thumbs up icon and comment away.

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get more information if people have to put their name on it. A lot of times you don't get the quote. And I was reading a story about C.J. stroud, and, you know, one of the things when it comes to quarterbacks is people just look at raw wins. And there's an old saying, win are not a quarterback stat. And, and, and to some degree it's true. But, you know, you know, the great ones end up with trophies. But the C.J. stroud. There's a story out on C.J. stroud, and there's an anonymous quote saying, I'm not sure I'd pay him. I would keep waiting on C.J. stroud. Okay, you're crazy. The great thing about anonymous quotes, they let me see crazy people. I just don't know who they are. But AFC executives, just think about this. If he was on the market, just in division, the Colts would pay a ransom for him. So would the jets, so would the Steelers, so would the Browns. I mean, look around the league right now. I was, I was writing down teams. Arizona, the Minnesota Vikings. You can tell somebody's value if they were on the market. Who would sign a big check? I counted seven teams this morning that would write massive checks. That tells you all you need to know. Here's the other thing. Three straight years he's won a playoff game. That is no small thing. Justin Herbert's never won a playoff game. Trevor Lawrence has won in five years. Three playoff wins is more than Dak Prescott. The same number of as Lamar Jackson. Three playoff wins with a defensive coach, and we have questions about ownership. They're not playing all those games at home. The problem with CJ Stroud is he can't get a break. His wide receiver core is always depleted. Nick Collins, Nico Collins, not available in the playoffs. Tank Dell out all year. You're starting with your number three receiver. Oh, what about the running back? Well, they were banged up too. That's why they had to go get David Montgomery. I mean, Woody Marks, he's good when he's healthy. Offensive line last year, like the previous years, awful 27th. So, I mean, the reality of it is there's two quarterbacks in this league that cannot get a break. Justin Herbert's offensive line can seemingly never stay healthy. And they're always a wide receiver shy because they've had a couple misses. And. And C.J. stroud, similarly big, strong, works hard, similarly can never get a break. His team is always banged up all on offense. I don't know what it is, but just remember this. Jalen Hurts with a star studded. Saquon Barkley, Devontae Smith, A.J. brown, above average tight ends. Top three offensive line has a career passer rating of 94. C.J. stroud, with nothing dependable, has a passer rating of 93.5. So when I see stories on C.J. stroud, it's very much to me, Justin Herbert with more playoff wins is that Herbert and Stroud cannot get consistently the wide receiver help they need, the running back health they need, and a good old line. If I said to you last year, yeah, guys, o line fell apart and they had no run game, you'd go, Herbert. I'd say, C.J. stroud. You do a Stroud, I'd say, oh, that's Justin Herbert. So contextualize it. He's very good. He'd be on the market for 30 seconds even in your own division. They'd go crazy in Indy to get him. So when I see stories like that and anonymous quotes, I'm like, if you think you should move off CJ Stroud, I'm not sure how you're in the league. I really don't you cannot let go of somebody that big, that strong, that accurate, who's been carrying his team. I mean, I know they have a great defense, but, you know, that's what happens. You do get help somewhere along the way. On your roster. Jmac with the news. No, no, no. Heard on the news.

[J Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

This is the Herdline news. All right, Colin, let's start. NBA. And the lucky Detroit Pistons complete the comeback from down three. One. They win game seven handily. Cade Cunningham was excellent. 32 points, 12 assists. This really comes down to that Friday game where the Magic were leading by 24 in the third quarter. And I was texting you, we nailed this one. And we were mocking the fraudulent Pistons. And then Orlando didn't make a shot for actually 45 minutes. Not game time, real time, like 45 minutes.

[Colin Cowherd]

Missed everything I. Orlando's got way too much talent to have that kind of drought. It wasn't the first time this year they had weird droughts. I mean, it goes to show you, Cade Cunningham, Tobias Harris, and good defense wins a lot of games, especially in the Eastern Conference. You got to have more offense in the west, but in the East, I mean, that's basically the offense. It was Cade, it's Harris, and it's just play your butt off every possession. Defensively, I mean, some of it. Detroit deserves a lot of credit. It's not just Orlando, but, I mean, they scored 19 points in the second half on Friday night.

[J Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

They missed 23 straight shots. Like, listen, man, you know, I think I'm a good shooter. There's no way I've ever missed 23 straight shots in my life, ever, anywhere. I mean, Colin, this is so bad that Jamal Mosley got fired, by the way, today, by the Magic. Least surprising story ever. But Colin, I gotta say, this guy five days ago was looking like, oh, he's safe. He's going to knock out the number 61 pistons.

[Colin Cowherd]

What did Uncle Collins say about the Orlando Magic head coaching position?

[J Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

Billy Donovan lurking, circling like a buzzard is a great building piece.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think the. I think the team underachieved. I would keep your eye on Billy Donovan.

[J Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

Impressive comeback by Detroit. You got to get. You can't give it all. They did. Orlando did blow it. But impressive stuff from Detroit. And now they're lucky because they will go up against Cleveland in the next round. Cleveland, I don't know what to make of Cleveland.

[Colin Cowherd]

I like Detroit.

[J Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

Later in the show. I'm going with the Cavs just because I like losers in the East. All right, let's go to the West. The Real conference in the NBA. Colin, this Anthony Edwards saga has flipped quickly. He was supposed to be out for two weeks. Now we are 10 days later and he's questionable for game one tonight. They just completed shoot around. He was a heavy participant. That's the first time I've ever heard that heavy participant in shoot around. And so Anthony Edwards is trying to play tonight against the spurs in game one. I don't know. Rushing back quickly from injuries as we just saw with Jayson Tatum.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think this is a. I got to tell you something. I think this is a great series. I think it's with Anthony Edwards, right? Yes. I mean, first of all, I think the T Wolves have so much length, so much toughness. This is like new kids on the block against, you know, against the Rolling Stones. You got T. Wolves have got a lot of guys, a lot of Rudy, go Bears. Julius Randalls, they got a lot of guys with a lot of playoff minutes. They are a thick, tough, physical team. And the spurs are super talented, but really young. This, I'm telling you this. There's a potential. This is a. People will look at this and think the spurs are overwhelming favorite. The T. We've been doing this for years. The T Wolves.

[J Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Whatever reason it is, we always look at them and go, well, I don't know. Julius Randle could be a huge problem in this series. He's the kind of bully that like Wemby could. Could push around Wemby. Jaden McDaniels, they have excellent wing defenders and they also. The T Wolves draft so well and develop. They'll have guys just drop 24 points that aren't in the rotation all year. So I think Minnesota is a weird, tough matchup for San Antonio. You take it probably Wemby and Wemby and six probably. But I.

[J Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

Interesting.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think it's going to be much more competitive than a lot of people think.

[J Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

So historically in the playoffs, you know, people get super amped to play a certain team. They hate them. There's a rivalry that was Detroit. They put everything into that. Jaden McDaniels talk trash. Backed it up. I could see a letdown here happening, Colin. Big time.

[Colin Cowherd]

Denver.

[J Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

Denver, sorry. Denver. They hated Denver. I can see a letdown happening in this series against the spurs, for instance, Jaden McDaniels was like, I've got Jamal Murray. Totally shut him down. Who do you go to here? You're not putting him on Wemby. You know, Darren Fox. I just don't. The matchups aren't as great. I Don't think for Minnesota. I'll go spurs in five. I'll give. Give your Wolves one right. Colin, let's wrap up with the NFL now. Listen, it's NBA season now. There's not a lot of good NFL stories, stories floating. This is absolutely fascinating, okay? Just unbelievable stuff. Aaron Rodgers is now being linked to the Arizona Cardinals. Now it's confusing because maybe Rogers is using this as leverage to get what he wants from the Steelers or, or Arizona, who's having like a little squabble with Jacob.

[Colin Cowherd]

First of all, if I'm Aaron Rodgers and I got to go to an offensive coach, I've got now I've got love and two other backs, the Atlanta backs now in town. I've got Trey McBride's a top three tight end. I've got excellent. They address the offensive line. I've got excellent wide receiver help and by the way, I have a place in Malibu. I'm not a Pittsburgh guy. I have. I'm Aaron Rodgers. You're not winning a Super bowl in Pittsburgh. You got Mike McCarthy and you still got too much money on defense. Arizona last year was top 10 in, in third down conversions, top 10 in offense. And you're like, how I think Arizona's got most of their talents on the outside of Buddha Baker is on the offensive side of the ball. If I was Aaron Rodgers one more year, I'm a flight, you know, on the bye week, I'm a flight. Did up to my house in Malibu, I would think about Arizona. Absolutely.

[J Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

And how about this? This flew under the radar. Do you want to guess who the offensive coordinator is in Arizona? Nathaniel Hackett. I was like, there's no way this guy's working here. Rogers, his guy.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think, I think Arizona is absolutely in play. I think they have sneaky good offensive talent.

[J Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

No, no, they have legit offensive talent. The question is, does Aaron Rodgers want to go get his brains beat in by Seattle?

[Colin Cowherd]

Twice.

[J Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

The Rams twice.

[Colin Cowherd]

Didn't Aaron Rodgers, you know, Aaron Rodgers and Mike McCarthy will play nice. They'll play nice. But let's be honest, it didn't end well.

[J Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

No, it was terrible.

[Colin Cowherd]

It was bad. So you can say all the right stuff in public, but to me, fresh start. Nat Hackett, offensive coach. I mean, I don't know that that would be very appealing to me.

[J Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

The only problem, if you're an Arizona Cardinals fan, you're like, hey, we're bottoming out. We could get Arch Manning or a franchise quarterback. Well, Aaron Rodgers is going to be too good. He's going to get you at Least six wins. It's going to take you out of the running for like a top three pick. And I. Again, do you want one year of Aaron Rodgers or do you want to maybe find a franchise quarterback in 2020?

[Colin Cowherd]

I don't think if you're Arizona, you can worry about that. It's, you know, not, not everybody's going to get Arch Manning and, and, and by the way, Jeremiah Smith, the receiver for Ohio State, is going to be the next Randy Moss. So there's a chance that he'll go two after a quarterback.

[J Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

Let me ask you, Clint Kubiak, his first head coaching job and he's gonna get Aaron Rodgers at like, what, 47 years old to just be angry?

[Colin Cowherd]

No, Kubiak's with the Raiders.

[J Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

I'm sorry, not Kubiak.

[Colin Cowherd]

Lefleur. Lafleur. Lafleur.

[J Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

The new coach of the Cardinal. You think that's, that's who he wants is his first year over quarterback, over

[Colin Cowherd]

what he has now?

[J Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

Figure out what's good on the roster, who works, who doesn't.

[Colin Cowherd]

Dude, you want to win games. You're not winning them without Aaron. You can win them with Aaron. Coaches want to compete. Coaches don't worry about draft position. Coaches want to win games. Yeah, I mean, I mean, the Jags were awful. They got Liam Cohen and they won 13 games and they were literally bereft of talent in certain spots. I mean, think about this. The Travis Hunter thing didn't work. Brian Thomas is. You never know what you're getting. They get the right coach, they win 13 games, you have the right coach. You got a LaFleur with a McVeigh background. You gotta be careful. These teams that are clever offensively, that have weapons. Aaron Rodgers, you could absolutely go 9, 8 and everybody, oh, I'm shocked. Jacksonville was a hazmat spill before Liam Cohen and suddenly they're hosting the Bills in a playoff game. J Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news. So it's interesting today, the warriors are holding a meeting with Steve Kerr. Now, the warriors, it's reported the warriors think they're going to get him. But this is fascinating because the warriors have no cap space, they have no young stars, they let Kaminga go. Borderline star pods is good, but he averages about 14 a game. And Draymond Green is 36 and has been through a lot of battles, so he's an old 36. So I think Steve Kerr and Steph Curry is a great starting point. But you, you look at the West, San Antonio's roster, OKC's roster, Minnesota's roster, Houston's roster. Those are young, athletic, ascending rosters and basically what the warriors are. I sure hope Jimmy Butler and Steph Curry can heal 100%. And what could we get for Draymond like that? That's what he's doing here. So, I mean, to me, in the NFL, you can go from bad to very interesting. Fast, right Coach, right Quarterback Ben Johnson. I mean, they didn't change owners, GMs, they didn't change executives, they didn't even change quarterbacks. Ben Johnson coach a play from beating the Rams in the playoffs. So it's different. NBA makes trading really hard. And a lot of this, I. It's interesting. If I was Steve Kerr, he has so many options. He could be a broadcaster. He was excellent. He'd get another head coaching job. He could put his name in for Orlando if he wanted it. I don't think he would. He could be a front office executive. Chicago's looking for one. I mean, he could retire. So it's really interesting. The only way out to me, because they don't have. Because remember, if Houston wants Giannis, Houston's got more to offer. Houston could give you Jabari Smith, Shen Goon and three number one picks. Like you get real players going into their prime. What could the warriors give you? Draft picks. They missed on Wiseman, a number two pick. A Kaminga was a seven pick. He was fine. But it never turned out because so much of the warriors issue, part of their greatness was you had to be really smart. And it was often like an Iguodala or a Bogut or it was an older player that worked in their ecosystem. The young guys didn't work. The problem is they moved off all the young guys and now they're. What are they going to. What. What would anybody want? What would Milwaukee get besides draft picks? So it's. It's a, you know, you know, just like the Niners. We said it last week, if you, if you miss on enough top draft picks, you look up a few years later and you're not in the same class as the Seahawks or the Rams. And Golden State's not in the same class as San Antonio, Minnesota, Oklahoma City and Houston, teams that have hit on their draft picks. So the warriors are really, really backed into a corner. They've got. They have two. They have really one Hail Mary. And this, this wouldn't solve all their problems, but it could solve a lot of them. Next Sunday is the NBA lottery and they have the same odds of getting the number one pick as the Dallas Mavericks did when they got Cooper flag. So I mean it's a bit of a Hail Mary, but it just happened a year ago. Now that would change everything. Sabanta from BYU next to staff Butler, okay, that's a different story. We got a kid that's going to average 20 points as a rookie. So that and the other Hail Mary is Giannis. And you give up five draft picks, which six years ago you'd had to give up 10. But college basketball now players are staying, staying in the nil. So you get the draft picks are better. I mean this year you're going to have, you're going to have 14 or 15 draft picks. You're going to get down to 15 and that's going to be Yaxel Lenderborg from Michigan. 6, 9, 2, 40. An ascending player could start for a lot of teams in the NBA. So this draft is a great draft. You get to the top of that draft this year. I mean it's a, it's, that's why next Sunday's ping pong lottery is fascinating because the warriors have the same odds as the Mavericks who got Cooper flagged. And if the warriors win it. Oh, you thought people screamed rigged with the Mavericks coming up next. By the way, we do this from time to time that whenever we think there's a huge series or a huge game, we put the teams together and give you 1 through 10 who are the best players and that gives us a sense who's going to win the series. How about Knicks Sixers? I mean it is an incredible. I just don't know what I get with Embiid. If I get 7 games with Embiid that now that the difference is the Celtics didn't have a Mitchell Robinson defensively protecting the basket. He is a. I don't know if He's a top 10 player in the series, but he's a very good defensive center. It's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.

[J Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

More United Football League action coming. Coming up this weekend, Fox UFL Friday features the Columbus Aviators against the St. Louis Battle Hawks at 8 Eastern. Then on Saturday the Louisville Kings and D.C. defenders at 1:30 all on Fox.

[Colin Cowherd]

So we do it whenever we think there is an impending great series. And I think the Knicks Sixers, I mean, you know, a lot of people thought New York would be here. Philadelphia for years. I always love Sixer fan. What do you got against Joel Embiid? I Don't know. He's never healthy. In fact, in the series they just beat Boston. He wasn't available for the first three games of that series. He won the MVP three years ago and he averaged about 33 games a year. When he's healthy, I've said this. When he's healthy, he's great. His comp is Shaq. But I wouldn't build around him. Two things can be true. I can love a player, but I'm not building around a guy that gives me 35 games a year. I'm building around Maxi and Edgecomb. So I thought, I think it's going to be a fantastic series. Game ones tonight. I think it's going to be unbelievable. I'm going to give you my 10 best players 1 through 10 in the series. We do this for big games. It gives you a sense. And the Knicks are slightly favored. Who would win. So the number one player in the series again, if I get six games from him is Joel Embiid. I don't want to build around him, but he's a dominant player 28, 9, 7 in the postseason. I mean only SGA and Cade Cunningham were more dominant. He's just, I mean you saw against the Celtics, they didn't have any answers. But smaller guys, he moves for his size. You know, we've been. I mean he's a former MVP that when he's healthy he'll be the best player on the floor. Number two is probably the most underrated player in the league. OG Onenobi of the Knicks is unprepared. Unbelievable. He may be the best two way player in the game. They got him in that trade with the Raptors. He's just an unbelievable player. He's averaging 21 and a half and nine and he's shooting 57% from threes. Elite defender, elite length, elite toughness, smart player. He's just an ABS. He reminds me of Paul George about four years ago when Paul George was arguably the best two way player in the game. Not named LeBron James. Number three, Tyrese Maxey. He gets shot out of a cannon every time he's got the ball in his hands. He's going to fly past Brunson. Brunson, get your track shoes on. I said this three years ago and J. Mac was beside himself. He literally jumps off the television. He's averaging 27 a game, can shoot over 40% on threes. He's a two time All Star. He is an electric. You don't even have to like basketball. He's just an Electric athlete number four is Jalen Brunson. He is a defensive liability, but he's the clutch guy for the New York Knicks. I don't think it's outrageous that he's four. You've got, you got 10 guys in this series, maybe eight that could get a Hall of Fame vote or two. Brunson's a great finisher for his size. Clutch player of the year can get worn down in a series if you put enough heat on him. And I'll get that more on that in a second. Number five would be Paul George again. When Paul was healthy five years ago, he was the og he was. He was arguably the best two way player in the game. He was good against Boston. He was healthy. Paul George has been good for a long time but you know, he's bounced around the league. He's had injuries. So I would put Paul George number five. Number six, Carl Anthony Towns. He's really the key to the series because if Embiid and Cat don't like each other, if Embiid gets him into foul trouble and you have to go to Mitchell Robinson, you are not the same offense. You become very Jalen Brunson dependent. So Cat's going to be the key to the series. I got to give cat credit. Plus 92 in the playoffs. That's the best plus minus of any player in the NBA, the playoffs. And Mike Brown deserves credit. They use him as a point center late in this series. He's always been highly skilled, little flaky, can be, you know, you're not quite sure. Reminds me a little bit of Rasheed Wallace who I covered for years in Portland on his best nights. You can't stop him. Super skilled, tough guy to defend. Lot of different skill. Not always quite sure the mood he's in. But I would put Carl Anthony Towns at 6. The secret to the series could very well be number seven, BJ Edgecombe. He gave birth Brunson trouble this year so they put him on Jalen Brunson. And Jalen Brunson shot 33% this year. He is, he's the rookie at a Baylor, wildly athletic, another guy that just pops on television. He has become their very quiet defensive leader. Now obviously Embiid can be a tank against the rim, but he gave Brunson a lot of troubles. And he's got youth, young legs, big energy. Keep your eye on Edgecomb in the series. Number eight, Mikhail Bridges. He found his groove in game six. He can be a little hot and cold. They probably gave up too much for him. But he is a long athletic Villanova. So, you know, he's eq IQ is high. Offense can be a little hit and miss. But I would want Mikhail Bridges on most most teams. I would have number nine, Josh Hart tells you how good this series is. If Josh Hart is the ninth best player in this series average, nearly a triple double, a double double in the playoffs. You know, a little bit limited offensively, tough, vocal team leader. Just kind of a great New York glue guy. Josh Hart at 9 and I would say 10. Kelly Oubre again, 6, 8 long, athletic, can defend multiple positions. So right now I look, I've got. You start looking at the representation. I got 5 and 5. If I had an 11, it would be a Nick Mitchell Robinson because I do think he is a very good defensive center. Limited offensively. I think the key to the series is Edgecomb on Jalen Brunson. Can he wear Brunson out a little bit as the series goes on? Game four, Game five, Game six, Game seven, potentially can vjooqic kind of stick on him? You don't have to worry about BJ Edgecomb's offense. You're going to get plenty of offense. Embiid, Paul, George Maxey, you'll get your offense so he can concentrate on defense. The other key is Embiid attacking Cat. And if he in Cats, I mean, Cat has fouled out of games in like a half, he can be handsy and he just. He's a. He's such a talented, odd player. So. And it'll be a very emotional series for Kat because he and MB do not get along. So if Embiid can get in his head, get him into foul trouble, you gotta go to Robinson on the bench, who's a great defensive center. But that'll put more pressure on Jalen Brunson to score and OG to score. So it'll be a fascinating chess match. And here's Karl Anthony Towns heading into the series against the Sixers. We should have confidence because we put the work in and we put the time in the gym, so then we have trust in each other. So, you know, I feel like our confidence was built way before the game was played. That's what good teams do. And I'm glad that we were able to show that, you know, we're executing at a high level and playing at a high level, we could do that. What I think is fascinating about the Sixers is for years and years it was, you know, trust the process. Ben Simmons is the future. James Harden, Jimmy Butler, they've had all These iterations of, you know, trying to figure out what they are. And this is the one team that we didn't pay a ton of attention to because we were watching Detroit. Ooh, Detroit. And then New York's obviously popular. And then there was the Tatum story. Here comes Tatum back. Oh, I love Cleveland. Orlando. What's wrong in Orlando? Nobody's paying attention to the Sixers. And it reminds me, years ago, there was a great coach. The late Loot Olson was an unbelievable coach at Arizona. And for years and years they'd go into the tournament, you had all these high hopes and they. And they had great players. Jason Terry, Damon Stoudemire, they had all these great players. And then it was the Miles Simon team when they brought in this young group. And everybody's like, well, this isn't going to last long. And they won the national championship with Miles Simon having a great tournament. And it's like with Philadelphia, there were so many stories this year in the east, right? Oh, the Pacers tanking. Keep your eye on the Knicks. They've got a new coach. And here comes Jason Tatum. And what do we make of Detroit? And I think Cleveland's good. And, and Orlando, they're not as good as they should be. And all of a sudden, here's the one Philadelphia team that we did not pay a lot of attention to because, you know, Embiid is not playing a lot and Paul George is getting over. And it kind of felt like to me all year long you're like, well, at least with Maxey and Edgecomb, they've got their future. Let's build around that. And I still believe that's true. But they have a really interesting mix of fast, young, dynamic players. And kind of Paul George and Embiid, you got veterans and Max, he's kind of in between. So my guess is it is a back and forth series. Knicks are a slight favorite. I think The Knicks, the Sixers don't get much bench scoring at all. Knicks, Knicks bench is a little bit better. Maybe the benches are not going to decide this game. It's our starting five against your starting five. And Mitchell Robinson, I think could play a key role for the Knicks off the bench. But it is, I mean, J. Mac, I don't know how you feel, but this feels like a six or a seven game series to me. And a lot of it is. I mean, honestly, a lot of it is Paul George and Embiid's health. If they're healthy, I may take Philly and seven, but I. But I kind of feel Like, I can rely on the Knicks health.

[J Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

Yeah, there's a lot here. First of all, I love the list. I saw Brunson during the commercial break at 4. My head kind of exploded, but I did just drill down. Statistically, I got to give it to Maxi. He's got him beat in almost every category this season. Now, some of it is skewed. Colin, because Embiid missed a million games.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[J Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

And Paul George had the PED suspension. So Maxi had a huge rate that was right there with Brunson's. I'm going to still ride with the Knicks in the series. I did see something I liked. So against Atlanta, did you see Mike Brown kind of pull Carl Anthony Town to, like, the foul line?

[Colin Cowherd]

Yes.

[J Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

And made him like a point forward. He had 10 assists in one game.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yep.

[J Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

And someone was comparing it to when Mike Brown was helping make Draymond Green like a facilitator on offense. Now, Draymond isn't the offensive player. Kat is. But if that pulls and beat away from the basket, it opens up a lot of things for the Knicks on drives. So I think that's a guy to watch. Karl Anthony Towns a lot in this series. I think it's going to be awesome.

[Colin Cowherd]

Nobody has committed more fouls in the NBA over the last three years than Cat.

[J Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

That's a problem.

[Colin Cowherd]

And also the Sixers starting five is the highest scoring in the league. So, like, like Philadelphia Sixers. Go for it.

[J Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

Come on.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, no, no. I'm just saying they don't have. I mean, again, you've got two people. I worry about their health and no real bench. So, like, with Philly's going to win games, I mean, they're just. They're so profoundly talented, but they've got some injury questions. I think Cat and Embiid's the story. Cat's a very talented, very emotional player. He can commit. He can commit three fouls in 45 seconds. I've seen him do it. He can be crazy, but he's so good. And I think Mike Brown deserves credit. They have used him very effectively. But Atlanta is a different ball game. Atlanta doesn't have the scoring ability of Philadelphia.

[J Mac (Jason McIntyre)]

I think that I like the Knicks tonight. And a seven is kind of a big number, but Embiid is only probable because of a hip, the appendectomy, the knee. He's always hurt, you know. Come on.

[Colin Cowherd]

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