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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 1 - Chauncey Billups & Terry Rozier Arrested by FBI in Gambling Probe, Wembanyama's BIG Night & Nick Saban blames NIL for CFB Coaching Firings
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Colin Cowherd
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We are live on a day many of us, most of us woke up, rushed to the Internet and saw a story that was a combination of James Bond meets casino meets uncut gems meets rounders meets reality. First, the Louvre heist in Paris this weekend and now a gambling sting with the FBI in the NBA. It's the roaring 20s, apparently. Welcome into the Herd in Chicago. Is Capone still here? Whoa. What is happening? If you have not heard, NBA current and active NBA coach Chauncey Billups, former MVP in a Finals, has been arrested. So is Damon Jones and Terry Rozier. So first of all, I used to work in Vegas for seven years. I saw a lot of bad actors. The mob was still in Vegas. So I don't get real precious on this stuff for years and years. I mean, you can go back to Henry Hill, Boston College in the 70s, people going to prison over this stuff. You can go back to the Romans and the chariots. Gambling and sports has been intertwined forever and the Mafia is often part of it. Tim Donaghy, the NBA Investigation Shohei Ohtani, the Interpreter I always look at stories like this as a good thing. I want to protect our sports. I want to protect the sanctity of these sports. So when stories like this come out and they're uncovered and discovered and there's indictments and these are all accusations. But it's a four year process by the FBI. About $7 million victims lost hours and hours of videotape. And I've been reading this stuff for the last 45 minutes to an hour. And these are accusations. I'll try to simplify it as much as I can and give you my take on it. So Damon Jones, Terry Rozier, Chauncey Billups. So it's all illegal gambling. It's 11 states spanned across 11 states, 30 individuals arrested. Thirteen of them are Mafia members. La Cosa Nostra, that's the Italian Mafia. So these are two separate incidents. So the NBA one is six defendants, Damon Jones, Terry Rozier. Basically they leverage their connections to place prop bets. For instance, Terry Rozier, in a game in March two years ago, feigned an injury so he would be Pulled out of a game and all the unders on the prop bets would hit. And a guy who's made over a hundred million dollars apparently won a couple hundred thousand dollars for doing it from real bad actors. Not sure why you do that. Maybe he was in huge debt. But they're two separate indictments. The poker fraud's been going on forever in basements all across the world. Okay, so the poker fraud stuff, I mean, let me just read some of this. The technology was hidden cameras, special contact lenses, glasses that could read mark cards, X ray poker tables that could read cards face down. There were people off site from the decks that were getting information, feeding it back to people who were playing in the game. In those games. There were some NBA players, like Damon Jones is mentioned in this accusation, these arrests. And again, the poker stuff, and that's been happening forever. It's happening this morning and it's happening tonight all over the country, all over the globe. That stuff. It's casino meets rounders. It's intense. I don't play poker. I have friends who do. You know, they. They joke about stuff like this. The NBA stuff is the stuff we all worry about primarily, right? That's the stuff we worry about. Tim Donaghy, Henry Hill, Boston College. There was that NASU investigation. Vegas often tells the leagues, Vegas doesn't want cheaters. Vegas, their margins are thin. Sports bettors are smarter than ever. I mean, last week or the week before, Joe Fan crushed the books. So you fans are smarter than ever. Vegas doesn't want to see this stuff. Vegas wants to get this stuff out. So. And I lived in Vegas for seven years, and sports, gambling and the mafia have been around forever. There were accusations forever around Tark. None of it ever proven. I don't believe any of it. But players were in casinos, and there was bad actors everywhere. And he was always terribly aware of it and preached to his players, stay out of those casinos. And I covered a program that had that stuff hovering over him for years and years and years. I didn't believe any of it. None of it. Just. Just. It was just always part of the fabric. And casinos and gambling and bad guys and basketball coaches and so my takeaway on all this stuff is this is serious business. The poker stuff happening forever, the NBA stuff, they just signed these massive contracts. This is an awful day for Adam Silver. It's just an awful day for Adam Silver and the people I know in sports, they tell athletes, don't do it. They tell them to stay away. I've always worried more about officials than Athletes. My first job was covering a basketball team in Vegas. And I'm telling you, UNLV was so aware of it, so concerned about it, so frightened about it, preached to the athletes constantly and good for them 99.9.9% of the time, except for one person that got involved. It's a hot tub. I remember waking up in Vegas one year spokesman review. The ad was Dennis Frinfrock and there was a Richard the Fixer Perry was in a hot tub with a couple of players. Blew up the program. This stuff's been going on forever. Ever. So my takeaway on this, I don't want to get Precious on it. I would love to get Cash Patel on the show today here. There was a press conference for 45 minutes this morning and here's Cash Patel today.
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Colin Cowherd
We are here in New York to announce a historic arrest across a wide sweeping criminal enterprise that envelops both the NBA and La Casa Nostra. But as you now know, individuals such as Chauncey Billups, Damon Jones and Terry Rozier were taken into custody today. Former current NBA players and coaches. What you don't know is that this is an illegal gambling operation and sports rigging operation that spanned the course of years. The FBI led a coordinated takedown across 11 states to arrest over 30 individuals today responsible for this case, which is very much ongoing.
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Jason McIntyre
So the one thing I read there was some video that surfaced last year on the Internet. Like all of you, I'm on my phone sometimes with Terry Rozier and. And really ugly turnovers. The FBI says that Rosier told the defendants that he was going to leave a game March two years ago. The defendants then placed a couple hundred thousand dollars in wagers on under on prop bets. He feigns an injury, they take him out. It hits. It says there were tens of thousands of dollars in profits. Again, I want these stories uncovered. I want to protect the sanctity of our sports. I don't get Precious. I'm not naive. I know what goes on the My first job was covering a Vegas team where Richard the Fixer Perry in a hot tub showed up one day in the Reverb Review Journal. You could look it up online. I woke up, read it and thought, oh, my world's imploded. So I just think chariot races, the Romans, gambling Mafia, uncut gems. It's live in living color. And here we are today with it once again in my life. I feel like this about the 15th time. Something like that. The Donaghy stuff was unbelievable when it happened. And Donaghy for years and years said I didn't change outcomes. I just wanted to hit the over. I just called fouls, like validating it, rationalizing it. So we'll keep you posted. Now, before this story, last night when I went to bed, it was a normal story. Well, abnormal. The second best player in the league and maybe the first in about three months is Wemby. 40 points, 15 rebounds, three blocks, no turnovers, 70% from the field. What is he, 21 right now? I think he's the second starting last night. The second most dominating player in the league. Luka can't change a game defensively. Either can sga. Jokic isn't much of a defender, but he is so great offensively. He basically carried Denver to a title. When he's off the floor, they're a non playoff team. When he's on the floor, they can win the title. It's the only player in the league, maybe outside of Giannis, that could do that. I think there are five great players in the NBA and they're all international right now. Jokic, Wemby, Luka, Giannis and sga. But what I watched last night, I kind of felt watching it is. And those are clearly the five best players. They're all international. And the NBA is going through an interesting thing. No more dynasties. Adam Silver doesn't want dynasty. So they have these aprons. So it's so punitive to owners to stack rosters. And the second thing is all the best players are international. And keep your eye on El Prince of Houston, who's 23, made an All Star game at 22 and is ascending fast. He is notably, clearly and inarguably better than Kevin Durant right now. Today NBA may market Durant. Sengun's the better player and like improving every 30 games. So it's a fascinating time in the NBA. I love watching Jokic. I know a lot of people think it's boring. I covered Arvida Sabonis in Portland. I thought he was the best passer on the team, the best shooter on the team and I didn't even see him. He was in Lithuania for his prime. I didn't even get the best of him and I thought he was an unbelievable basketball player. Jokic is notably better than Sabonis and Sabonis was on that Blazer team that made the Finals or almost made the Finals. Got beat the Lakers in seven with Kobe and Shaq. And I thought Sabonis was the most skilled player way past his prime. So I think last night it's just we're watching the kid. The kid had 40 points in 30 minutes. 30 minutes, 40 points, all those rebounds, 70% from the field. So I think at some point, maybe before the All Star break, Wemby will be the second best player in this league. I mean, it's, he's putting up. He's going to get to 50 points in 30 minutes here pretty quick. Those are Wilt numbers. Except Wilt couldn't hoist and hit threes and didn't have a crossover dribble. So last night, and, and by the way, spurs have a great starting five. Maybe they are the next dynasty. But watching him last night, I'm just thinking, wow, he's not Jokic today, but he could be soon. And here's Wemby after much more in control of myself. The mind I'm not worried about because I saw what it's like to be confronted with, you know, potentially losing a lot, whether it's your career or your health, you know, so I'm not taking this for granted anymore. But the body, it's, it's. I'm having more fun now that I'm not struggling to move as much, you know, and I know I still need to get better. I'm still going to get better. Yeah. Yeah. He's had to have put on 25 pounds of muscle. He is just. I mean, you're watching last night I sat there with my wife and I said, see that guy in like the, the bright shoes? He's going to be the best player in the NBA either by the end of tonight or the end of the season. That was unbelievable. And it's not like Dall is a small team. Dallas's front lines the deepest in the league. 40 points, 30 minutes. Dallas has 611 seven foot guys. As Jay Billis said, he made them look like sixth graders. But that is the second biggest story with the NBA today. All right, bring in JMac. You know, it's just, it's interesting, J. Mack, because my first job out of college was covering unlv and I loved it. And I had a hot and cold relationship with the late great Jerry Tarkin in. But I woke up one morning, it was a Sunday morning and the local paper had a notorious game fixer just in a hot tub with a couple of the players. And it was never the same program. And I. They preached for years to keep players out of casinos. UNLV did a really good job at the time. Tark really tried, but it's Vegas, it's, you know, and the mafia was there. So I feel like I've lived in this kind of weird world forever. And I read this story this morning. I. When I read the poker stuff, I don't play poker. It did read like rounders. I mean, James Bond meets casino meets rounders meets uncut gems. The NBA stuff. What was your first reaction to it?
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Colin Cowherd
I don't know. I got to choose my words carefully. You know, it's obviously a big story.
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Jason McIntyre
I don't know.
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Colin Cowherd
The FBI and the NBA met with Terry Rozier multiple times in 2023. He was cleared by the NBA. I guess maybe the FBI found some new folks willing to say some stuff. So we. We got to see what happens there. The poker stuff, to me, is fascinating. Those poker games. I'm sure you've played in some poker games. Everybody plays.
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Jason McIntyre
I'm not a poker player. What's interesting, you never played in a poker game? No, no. I mean, I played poker, but not in big poker games. I played, you know, I'm on a flight with somebody, my wife or something like that. But I mean, I'm more willing to do backgammon or solitaire. But when you read. When you read. Yeah. The poker stuff in this accusation, it's unbelievable. It is. It is. There's a. It is really. You know that scene in Casino Oceans 11?
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, it's fascinating.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. I mean, we had the. We had the Louvre heist. We have this. It's like, folks, don't get precious. I mean, in my career, I've had literally media people text me. I'm very disappointed you don't take this stuff as serious. And I'm like, oh, grow up. Stop being precious. Chariots, Romans, betting Mafia. It's been happening forever.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
And gambling's legal. Supreme Court said, yep, you can gamble in America. We were way behind Europe.
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Colin Cowherd
So don't.
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Jason McIntyre
Don't get. Don't get precious. Yeah.
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Katie Couric
And.
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Jason McIntyre
And there's warning labels. I read warning labels all the time if I have a gambling sponsor, so. But I will say, when I woke up this morning and saw Chauncey Billups name, I would not have guessed Chauncey Billups. He was always one of the smarter, headier.
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Colin Cowherd
These are just allegations.
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Jason McIntyre
That's right.
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Colin Cowherd
In a poker game.
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Podcast Narrator (Hell in Heaven)
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Colin Cowherd
Not a big deal. You know, let's see the other stuff that comes out. You know, Chauncey bullups made over $100 million in his career. He's an NBA head coach. I'll just leave it at that. Like I. Playing in a poker game. Okay, I get it. But, like, being a part of it like I, I need to wait and see. Just remember, with the Ohtani interpreter, everybody rushed to judgment. Oh, I was like, whoa, whoa, wait a minute.
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Jason McIntyre
No, we didn't. We did not.
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We did not.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, of course not. I'm going to, I'm going to give these guys a benefit of the doubt. We'll see the evidence, and then if you want to come in off the.
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Jason McIntyre
Top rope, go for it.
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Colin Cowherd
But I, I got to wait and see.
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Jason McIntyre
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Katie Couric
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Jason McIntyre
Denver, 34,000 people come out. Salt Lake City, 20,000 people. You know, huge turnouts. People are really dissatisfied about the status quo.
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Katie Couric
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Jason McIntyre
Does that sound like a radical idea, Katie?
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Chris Sims
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Jason McIntyre
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Colin Cowherd
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Jason McIntyre
So the NBA has made this statement announcement this morning. There's two current NBA people involved in this FBI arrest, Blazers head coach In Portland, Chauncey Billups, good player and Terry Rozier, who's currently, I think he was nursing an injury, Miami Heat player. So both of them have been placed on immediate leave by the NBA. These are accusations by the FBI. Two separate, you know, indictments. One is massive, it's poker. The other involves six people on some prop bets. The NBA and we'll just keep you posted on, on what we, what we know. World Series starts Friday and I thought about this this morning. I spent eight years living in California. Now I go there often, but I live in Chicago. And one of the things I've, I've told people before, I love living in California. There's, there's a very large anti California anything resentment in America. A lot of the conservative media bangs on them a lot and for good reason. There's envy. It's the largest economy in the country by a mile. It's got the best, most moderate weather. You got mountain ranges, the Pacific Ocean, deserts, farming. It's amazing. And Californians frankly do not care what you think. If the 50 states were a family, California would be the rich, good looking kid driving a convertible that owns a tech company. They're easy to hate. California is the quarterback and the valedictorian. Like I get it. And here's my take on the Dodgers. I didn't hear all this whining and complaining when the New York Yankees, when the New York Yankees own the hot Stove league and bought all the best players because there's a sense that New Yorkers earn their money. Wall street grinding hours, toughness and maybe that's right. But I didn't hear all this animosity about money. And the cool thing about the Dodgers, there's no ego. Ohtani is a great guy. Freddie Freeman, Yoshi, Dave Roberts, the manager, the front office, Mookie Betts, Max Muncie, no ego. I mean, they're just the nicest group of guys. They all get along, the stars. There's no toxicity, there's no resentment. It's all the talent, none of the ego. So if you hate the Dodgers, my take is you kind of, you hate yourself. You know, it's an envy thing that they're not the Yankees you could hate. Steinbrenner was obnoxious and Billy Martin was poking in the ribs and there was the narcissism of Reggie Jackson and then the Mattingly teams weren't any good, but he was likable. And then he went to the other teams and they were feisty and that. But the truth is the Dodgers like If you want to hate the Astros, they cheated. I get it. Or if you don't like Hollywood and their politics and they're not relatable, I get it. Or the Kardashians jamming their wealth in your face. You don't like that. I totally get it. But let me be your therapist. You don't hate the Dodgers. You want to be the Dodgers. Smart, ahead of the curve, use your money wisely, classy, successful. You don't hate them. You want to be them. They're a shining example in Major League Baseball of what's possible if you spend money and spend it wisely. They've led baseball to tenants every year since 2013 by a lot. In a stadium that's gorgeous, but older and not easy to get in and out of, here's Dave Roberts poking everybody else in the ribs after they swept the Milwaukee brewers in the nlcs. This is a one team, one dream operation. And I'll tell you, before this season started, they said the Dodgers are ruining baseball. Let's get four more wins and really ruin baseball. Let's go. I thought he's on our show later today. From the manager to the front office, the ownership group, they're not hateable. I'm sorry. It's like hating. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's like hating Easter to you. Problem. And no egos at all on this team. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no. Turn on the news.
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Colin Cowherd
This is the Herd line news. All right, Colin, let's start with Patrick Mahomes, who's having a rebound season. He was not very good last year as the Chiefs got Super Lucky in one score. Games 11, 0 lost in the super bowl badly. This year they're only 4 and 3. But Kansas City has scored on 52% of their offensive possessions, which is the best mark since his first year as a starter. The offense has improved dramatically. It's interesting, Colin trying to pinpoint why this is happening. Mahomes said last season he were he was over analyzing things. This year he wants to simplify and play fast. It looks to me just the eye test that he's not throwing the ball as deep downfield often. He's taking what the defense is giving him and he's hitting his layups right?
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. And I also think if you look at Worthy and you look at Hollywood Brown, J. Mac, and you look at Rasheed Rice, they're very good. Yard after the catch, guys. Juju Smith Schuster isn't the burner. I think also Mahomes is a really bright guy, and he identifies a lot of our guys. You see this in Detroit with Gibbs or an Omaron St. Brown. Like, sometimes a receiver has plotting, veteran receivers, and then sometimes he's got what Mahomes does, which is twitchy, smaller guys who make people miss in space. So why throw it deep? Go high percentage underneath and let. This was when the Niners and Brock Purdy had Kittle, Christian McCaffrey and Debo Samuel. Like, why. Why throw it deep? Get those guys the ball and let them break tackles. So I think Kansas City's got a little Niner feel about three years ago. These twitchy guys underneath, they'll get the yards after the catch.
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Colin Cowherd
So, okay, all that makes sense. I get it. But a lot of it starts with the offensive line. Remember, in the super bowl, they could not block the Eagles.
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Jason McIntyre
Right.
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Colin Cowherd
Interesting thing. Have you followed this Josh Simmons saga?
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Commercial Announcer
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Jason McIntyre
I I. A little bit.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, so it's a little mysterious. The kid out of Ohio State. Right. He fell in the draft because of the injury.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And he played well in the preseason and he's played well this season.
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Jason McIntyre
Yes.
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Colin Cowherd
And then he. He's, like, taken a little. I don't know if it's a leave of absence or he's just not there and nobody's talking about it. But we haven't seen the offensive line struggle because they're playing the Raiders, who stink. Okay. Washington a little tougher. Buffalo a little tougher. So we'll see in the coming weeks if that offensive line can hold up. Because Cullen, you know, it's easy to make the dink and dunk passes when the offensive line's blocking. In the super bowl, there was no time for that. Jalen Carter was in his face.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. And I don't think there are a lot of great O lines. Detroit, Philadelphia, Indianapolis, Denver, there's not a lot of great O lines. The Bears, by the way, on the interior now, guard, center, guard, I think, has become really, really elite. But the truth is, most teams, I mean, Brady used to beat you getting rid of the ball quickly when he had a great deep threat. He didn't win Super Bowl. So I've never been a big believer in the deep ball. And the other reason I don't believe in it is because the playoffs are January and late December, and it's hard to throw the ball deep in windy Kansas City, Cincinnati, Baltimore, Buffalo weather.
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Colin Cowherd
So we, we. I don't know what we're doing with gambling on the show, but we haven't talked. This game, it's up to 12 and a half Monday night.
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Jason McIntyre
Stay away. College number? I don't know.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen, they just smashed the Raiders. 310 was not competitive and now we got Marcus Mariota in there. Can Washington hang? They couldn't stop Dallas at all. What makes you think they're going to stop K.C.
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Jason McIntyre
I don't, I don't wager on college numbers. It's too big for me.
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Colin Cowherd
That's probably smart. Let's move on to Lamar Jackson. Colin, speaking of mysteries, we don't know if he's going to play this week. John Harbaugh's bling being very coy. The Ravens obviously need him. The Cooper Rush experience has been awful. Here's John Harbaugh on Lamar's status for Sunday.
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Jason McIntyre
It's hard to put a number on it. I think it's just part of the process right now. I really don't have any shareable injury intelligence for you guys at this point. What do you think of that.
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Colin Cowherd
Gamesmanship?
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Jason McIntyre
What are we doing here? Lamar's playing.
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Colin Cowherd
You feel confident, but the line hasn't gone down. If it all of a sudden goes to three and a half today, maybe he's out, but I think he plays. Is this a blazing 5?
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Jason McIntyre
Lamar shows up to practice. Maybe it is. Lamar shows up to practice on Tuesday. He's playing.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, it was Wednesday yesterday.
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Jason McIntyre
Wednesday, yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Interesting. You're considering. I'm considering it for headlines, but I'm not considering the Bears. For me, this is Ravens are passed and it sounds like they're going to be very healthy off the buy. Okay, I, I, I can. You've said enough by just nodding. All right, now, Colin, this one caught me off guard. Final story.
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Chris Sims
A.J.
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Colin Cowherd
Brown had a phenomenal game against the Vikings and all of a sudden he's got a hamstring injury. Missed practice yesterday.
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Jason McIntyre
What?
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Colin Cowherd
I thought the Eagles were going to be my biggest play of the week against the Giants. I love them in a revenge spot here, but no, AJ Brown kind of changes things. We saw the Giant secondary get lit up like a Christmas tree in the fourth quarter. Could not stop Bo Nix your guy. I like the Eagles here, but this A.J. brown injury, kind of mysterious. Can the league get healthy? What's going on here?
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Jason McIntyre
I think the league's always bad. I also think much like the Dodgers pitching staff, where Snell and Glass know were eventually going to be healthy just in time for the playoffs. I think when you get when you're as deep as they are and you're at home against the team, you feel good about. Why risk it? I like in a 17 game schedule. There's no question that NFL teams now if it's a go either way decision, I think we've seen this about a half dozen times this year. It's a go either way decision on game day and the player doesn't play. I grew up with a 14 game NFL schedule, then I went to 16, now it's 17. Rumor is in two years it's 18. I think like a baseball or a basketball. If a guys go either way and you got a winning record, sit him. It's not like they don't have offensive weapons.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, my only thing is Colin, I don't want to go overboard here but the Dallas Cowboys Broncos game is fascinating.
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Jason McIntyre
Right.
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Colin Cowherd
If Dallas wins that and the Eagles somehow slip up against the Giants, I think we could start talking about the NFC east being a Cowboys Eagles deal.
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Jason McIntyre
Like well that's I, I think it's.
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Colin Cowherd
Closer than people are talking about now. That's how good Dallas has been. Do you not think Dallas has a shot? I think Washington's out the schedule.
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Jason McIntyre
I don't think you can win a division with that bad a defense. But I do think everybody's smushed closer because of a bit of a coaching crisis and o line injury crisis in Philly. I think, I think I thought of it as Eagles way up here, Giants way down there. And between the Giants offense and the Cowboys offense and the regression of Washington's offense, it's all mushed together.
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Colin Cowherd
How about the oh season opener? Dallas nearly beat Philly if DEZ Bryant doesn't drop a million balls. So I think the Eagles. I know you want to play it safe. Hey, let's sit A.J. brown. I think they kind of need him this week. You cannot mess around this Giants team, Colin. They're fritzky with your boy Jackson.
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Jason McIntyre
Dart J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news.
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Colin Cowherd
And thanks for stopping by the herd lie news.
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Jason McIntyre
And we'll just, we'll keep you updated on the Terry Rozier, Chauncey Billup story. The FBI, which is what we all woke up to this morning. So I was thinking about this. The Ben Johnson Bears, the Caleb William Ben Johnson Chicago Bears are really interesting and we're all kind of watching it. Whether it hits or fails, I think it's going to hit. But it is interesting. Ben Johnson when he was in Detroit was with Jared Goff. And this morning we went and looked at Ben Johnson's first six games with Caleb Williams and his first six games with Jared Goff. And you know what you see identical numbers. Caleb Just wins more. So two things, three things are very clear. There's clearly progress with Caleb Williams and the Bears offense this year to last. And it also proves most of you weren't watching Jared Goff in the 2022 Lions. By the way, that Lions team, they had Omaron St. Brown, O line, PFF had it top 10. They had Panay Sewell, they had two good running backs, including DeAndre Swift, Jamal Williams. It was a good team. They had a lot of good players and they weren't very good. And nobody was watching that team. And everybody's watching this team. The only time you watched that Lions team last game of the year, when they went to Lambeau and beat Aaron Rodgers and knock Green Bay out of the playoffs. And that was Aaron's last game as a Packer. That, that that's when you first watched them. The difference is the Bears, we've been watching it since June. That's when we've been watching this Bears team. So I think, and here's the thing is, is that Caleb Williams was under a microscope. His first started Oklahoma. I think he replaced Spencer Rattler or something. I mean, it was like, oh, first start Oklahoma, then at usc, then last year, then this year. Jared Goff, you didn't watch him in Detroit until that game in Green Bay. And so here are facts about Caleb Williams and the Bears and Ben 6 games. These are facts. Looked it up this morning. He is taking far fewer sacks. That was my number one concern. Not yards, not touchdowns. He's taken fewer sacks. He has a higher passer rating. And the Bears lead the NFL in big plays per game. It is working. It is absolutely working. It's a little rough. The operational side of it's a little clunky about twice a game. But Greg Olsen came on the show earlier and said it's fine. Right now, franchises fail young quarterbacks more than young quarterbacks fail franchises. And I think you're seeing it with what Kevin o' Connell is doing with some of these. Rebirth of Sam Darnold, who now continued it in Seattle. And you know, you're seeing what goes on with so many of these quarterbacks that were left for dead. Fit is such an important part of all this. And then you factor in just how young Caleb is and how fresh he is in his NFL career. I think there's been great growth. Absolutely. We're just watching this. And we didn't watch the Lions until the following year when we all went, oh yeah, like most of us were watching Stafford of the Rams way more than golf to the Lions until that Packer game. And then the following year they came out and you're like, is Detroit good? What difference is we're just watching every snap. Caleb takes less sacks, higher passer rating lead the NFL in big plays can be a little clunky, but it's good. There's no question I I'll say this, it's going to work. It's just how unrealistic are the critics this week? Ravens. That is a test and I and I believe Lamar will play Coming up next. You make big money, People want big results. I'll talk about that next. Be sure to catch live editions of the Hurd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.
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Katie Couric
Episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric. I sat down with Bernie Sanders, who is 84 years old, has spent 34 years in Congress and he can still pack a rally with people a quarter of his age.
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Jason McIntyre
Denver, 34,000 people come out. Salt Lake City, 20,000 people. You know, huge turnouts. People are really dissatisfied about the status quo.
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Katie Couric
His Fighting Oligarchy tour with AOC and other young progressives has become a movement. But is his message too far to the left? Well, he certainly doesn't think so.
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Jason McIntyre
Does that sound like a radical idea? Is that too far left for you?
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Katie Couric
Okay, okay, I get your point, Bernie. We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living and of course the government shutdown, not to mention the current state of the Democratic Party.
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Jason McIntyre
To me, the failure of the Democratic Party has been an unwillingness to recognize the real issues.
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Katie Couric
Open your free iHeartRadio app search next Question with Katie Couric and listen now.
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In the new podcast Hell in Heaven. Two young Americans move to the Costa Rican jungle jungle to start over. But one will end up dead, the other tried for murder not once. People went wild, not twice, stunned, but three times. John and Anne Bender are rich and attractive and they're devoted to each other. They create a nature reserve and build a spectacular circular home high on the top of a hill. But little by little, their dream starts to crumble and our couple retreat from reality.
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Jason McIntyre
They lose it. They actually lose it.
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They sort of went nuts until one night everything spins out of control. Listen to Hell in Heaven on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Jason McIntyre
FBI NBA story Chauncey Billups is involved in the poker part of the indictment. Terry Rozier in the basketball part. The the poker indictment includes X ray machines built into tables to read face down cards, contact lenses and glasses that read pre mark cards, secret cameras and card trays. This is, this is high tech stuff. And remember, legalization of gambling didn't create this. It exposes it. It didn't create it. It's been going on forever. So I'm for finding all the bad Actors and keeping our sports. Some sanctity in our sports and some purity to it. But legalized gambling, you're gonna get all the Puritans rushing to tell you, see, this is what happens when you legalize gambling. Yeah. What about the Boston College 1970 scandal, Tim Donaghy? It didn't create this stuff. It's exposing it. Transparency is not a flaw. This is. This is a credit. We want this stuff. I want to. I saw this this morning. Nick Saban, apparently this weekend was defending James Franklin, and he went out and he said, it's unfair what they're doing to Billy Napier. And it's unfair what they're doing to James Franklin. I wouldn't have fired James Franklin either, because he won 13 games last year. But in any business, the more. The bigger that business gets, including college football, the more pressure and the more pressure to win quickly. And everybody keeps telling me, well, the players are making big money now. That's made it harder. Well, the coaches are also making 9, 10, 11 million dollars a year. Win more games faster. I wouldn't have fired James Franklin, but he did go 4 and 21 against top 10 teams and a 1 in 15 against top 5 teams. You got to win more of those games. Billy Napier. It was time. Billy Napier lost to South Florida. If you're at the University of Florida, you can't lose to directional schools in Florida. He was also a guy had a worse record. He's in year four than Dan Mullen, who got whacked. So again, I hear about, oh, the player's making money. Do you know what the average player in college football makes? Less than $10,000. The coaches are making that by lunch on Monday. Okay. Coaches are making $10 million and $11 million. Beat good teams. If you coach Penn State, you can't go 4 and 21 against top 10 teams. You got to be closer to.500. I'm not saying you have to do a Saban or a Pete Carroll at LSU. You can't go 4 and 21, can't go 1 in 15 against top 10 teams. So the bigger the money, the bigger the expectations. More is more. You get more money. Players get more money. There's more pressure. You got to win more games. More is more. And with that, Chris Sims is joining us. Former Texas Longhorn quarterback, eight years in the NFL. I mean, I look at Texas and Sark, I think he's safe. I think he's a great coach. But, you know, that school, Arch has struggled. Do you think Stark's feeling heat at.
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Chris Sims
Texas well, he's feeling heat because of the expectations. I mean, they were the number one team in the country. They spent a lot of money on nil to. To. To emphasize that. And of course, they have a quarterback that everybody thought was going to be the number one pick in the draft. Right. So he's feeling the heat just because, hey, that's a major program and it's the biggest thing in the city of Austin, and it's almost like an NFL team as far as the attention it gets from a big city. But I don't think he has to worry about, like, feeling the heat as far as job security. That. That I don't think. No, not at all.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay. Usc, four years in offense is snazzy and fun. Defense isn't physical. Consistently can't win road games in the Big Ten. Do you think there should be heat on Lincoln riley today?
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Chris Sims
Oh, 100%. I never really understood that marriage there. Lincoln Riley does not seem like a Southern Cal, Los Angeles type of guy. I do believe that. Hell or that helps in a college football setting a little bit. So, yeah, I don't. And then, of course, like, to your point, I mean, yes, it's. It's fun. Wow, great passing yards. But what's that mean? It doesn't mean anything. They're not capable. Capable of playing. Like you said, Big Ten football. Defense is a little bit better this year, but certainly nothing special.
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Jason McIntyre
Right. And then.
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Chris Sims
And yet I've seen nothing or no inkling so far to go. Ooh, watch out. They got a ton of talent coming up the pipes here. I know the recruiting class next year is supposed to be pretty good, but come on, it's USC, you know, Colin forever. If there was 10 good players in the state of California, you were like, well, the top nine are going to USC. If there was 15 on the West coast, you were like, well, 13 of them are going to the USC. That's not happening. So that would concern me, Ohio State.
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Jason McIntyre
I've watched every game, almost every game they've played. And my takeaway is that defense is too good for 99% of college offenses. I don't know what they'll do to Indiana. It's just too fast. The windows you're allowed to throw in against them are NFL windows. They're tiny little windows. What do you see?
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Chris Sims
I see that I think Ohio State's the best team in college football. I don't really think it's close.
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Jason McIntyre
All right.
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Chris Sims
Because of what you said, the talent. Right. Matt Patricia has brought that defense to a different stratosphere. With some NFL concepts and things where I think a lot of college football is like, whoa, what the hell is this coverage? I don't know what to do. I think that's part of Texas's problem. I think that this defense put out a few ways of how to defend that offense and people have copied that a little bit. But, yes, between that and Colin, here's the other aspect. We know the offense is awesome. The quarterback, the receivers, the running back, all of that. Their running game is legit. I. They haven't even had to be creative in a game yet. They're literally like, we're going to run here. And then they run here. They're like, jeremiah's here. He's going to be open. We're going to throw it to him. So I don't think they've even had to like, dive deep into the playbook as far as creativity to this point.
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Jason McIntyre
Yet. Finally, you know, quarterback, who is the best college quarterback you've seen now this past week against sc? Carr didn't play well. Who. Who have you seen? Is it a Nussmeyer, a Dante Moore? Is it Mendoza? Who do you like?
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Chris Sims
Yeah, there's a lot of good ones out there. Mendoza certainly catches my eye. Dante Moore, to me, looks like, you know, I don't know if it's ready for him to come out this year, but he certainly has top 10 type of talent to me in the draft. Same with Fernando Mendoza. Jaden Maba of USC is really talented. The best quarterback, though, I've seen this year is Ty Simpson of Alabama. When I talk about big throws, pushing the ball down the field, throwing the ball into tight windows, all that, I'm going to give him the belt right now. But there is a lot of good college football players. I like Nussmeier, Colin, but he has not looked the same as last year. And I've heard, and I know he's kind of battling through some injuries. I think he's got a little oblique issue there altogether. But for my money, right now it would be Ty Simpson.
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Jason McIntyre
Yep. Kaylin DeBoer did it with Michael Penix after those injuries. Right. There's. There's no question the coach always helps with a quarterback. It could be Bo Nix or Sean Payton. Kaylin DeBoer and Ty Simpson. Chris Sims on a rush day for us because of a little story that broke between the FBI and the NBA. Chris, as always, it's great seeing you.
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Chris Sims
Good seeing you, buddy. Have a good one. Enjoy the weekend. All right, man.
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Jason McIntyre
All right. Saw his dad a couple of weeks ago on the show Chris Sims Today thoughts on Cooper Flag Greg Cosell on a Thursday. This is not your typical Thursday in the herd we led with something we hope not to lead with ever again. Not a great day for Adam Silver in the NBA. Accusations don't know what to make. Poker. NBA problems. Greg Kosoma the Toyota Certified Used Vehicle Sales event is here. It is packed with great surprises. Choose from a wide selection of low mileage vehicles all backed by Toyota, with warranties that begin on the date of purchase. Because when it comes to quality, the best new cars make the best used cars. So don't miss your chance. Find your certified Toyota today, but hurry. These Great offers end November 3rd. Toyota Certified used Vehicle Sales event where every surprise is a great one. Inventory may vary by dealer, participating dealers only. Comprehensive and powertrain are limited warranties. See TCUV warranty supplement toyota certified.com or your toyota dealer for details.
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Katie Couric
See mintmobile.com on the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric. I sat down with Bernie Sanders. We've talked many times over the years and today he even throws a few questions my way.
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Jason McIntyre
All right, are you ready for another question?
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Colin Cowherd
Go ahead, hit me, Bernie.
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Katie Couric
We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living and of course, the government shutdown. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Jason McIntyre
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Colin Cowherd
So we're sitting like, oh, God, what do we do?
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Chris Sims
What do we do? That was dumb.
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