THE HERD - Hour 1 - Credit to the Cowboys, Mark Dominik Stops By, Thankful Packers

Summary

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd

Episode: Hour 1 – Credit to the Cowboys, Mark Dominik Stops By, Thankful Packers
Date: November 28, 2025
Guest Host: Doug Gottlieb (in for Colin Cowherd)

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Episode Overview

This episode, hosted by Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin Cowherd, dives into the fallout from Thanksgiving NFL games, with a major focus on the resurgent Dallas Cowboys following big wins over contenders, analysis of the Kansas City Chiefs’ struggles, and an in-depth look at the Green Bay Packers’ evolving offense. The episode features a guest appearance from former NFL GM Mark Dominik for expert breakdowns, plus engaging interludes with show regular Jason Stewart. College football’s rivalry weekend also factors in, with thoughtful tangents on coaching decisions and sports culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Cowboys Deserve Real Credit (03:13–14:55)

• Doug opens with candid self-reflection on sports media hot takes, invoking Cowherd’s signature "When Colin was right, when Colin was wrong." He admits most analysts and fans, himself included, underestimated the Cowboys after a shaky start.

• Dallas’ Dramatic Turnaround

  • Early-season disaster (losses to Denver, Arizona, Carolina) seemed to doom their year.
  • Since the bye week, Cowboys beat the Eagles and Chiefs—both assumed playoff/Super Bowl contenders—showing resilience and growth.
  • Doug details how Dak Prescott stepped up, Schottenheimer's offensive continuity supported him, and the controversial Micah Parsons trade—though harshly criticized—allowed Dallas to focus on run defense.

• Cowboys’ Unique Place in NFL Culture

  • Doug highlights how "as a collective group of Cowboys haters, which most of us are," there's a tendency to minimize Dallas success (07:43).
  • Credits Jerry Jones and team management for talent evaluation, even amid their eccentricities.

• Notable Quotes:

  • "Maybe this is the classic Cowboys aren’t really good, they’re just not as bad as we thought they would be. The reality is the Cowboys took down the Chiefs."
    —Doug Gottlieb [04:15]

  • "This year is different. Instead of overpaying Micah Parsons, they traded him and were committed to stopping the run. Guess what? It kind of worked."
    —Doug Gottlieb [05:55]

• Team Confidence:

  • Clip from Jerry Jones: “I don’t remember a better two games back-to-back here at home. These guys played inspired.” [09:24]
  • Brian Schottenheimer (Cowboys OC) on Dak: “I thought he was incredible…We never panicked. We’re not going to panic on this team.” [09:48]
  • Dak Prescott: “Just showing the resiliency of this unit, of this brotherhood…We’re not going to just sit on this because of that.” [11:17]

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2. Expert Analysis with Mark Dominik – Cowboys, Chiefs, Packers & More (24:01–37:59)

• Cowboys’ Inconsistency & Path Forward
  • Mark points out Dallas has been "frustratingly inconsistent, but still have a shot and a path to the postseason." [24:01]
  • Notes how Pickens has been a key playmaker, and Schottenheimer’s offense is peaking.
• Chiefs’ Struggles
  • Offensive line injuries have been devastating: "That offensive line’s in shambles right now…that’s the demise of the Chiefs and why they won’t make the postseason." [25:05]
  • Defense lacks speed, reminiscent of the end of New England’s dynasty.
  • Doug and Mark agree fixes can come from the draft, especially on defense, but time is short for this season.
• Green Bay Packers Improvement
  • Matt LaFleur’s playcalling much more aggressive lately, especially with Jordan Love’s development.
  • LaFleur is letting Love’s confidence dictate game plans: “He’s feeding off of where Jordan Love’s confidence is, and you’re seeing him be more aggressive.” [27:40]
  • Mark gives LaFleur "a ton of credit" for bold decisions in critical moments.
• Detroit Lions Offensive Rhythms
  • Campbell is labeled a "play-caller, not an OC"—lacking smooth design and consistency, which showed against Green Bay.
• Lamar Jackson & Ravens
  • Mark: “He just looked like he was rushing himself and then quickly flicking the ball out…his accuracy is really off almost back to his rookie campaign.” [29:45]
  • Doug asks if the new offense is asking too much of Jackson—Mark thinks it might be.
• Joe Burrow’s Grit
  • Despite a slight playoff hope, Burrow’s effort is lauded as an example of leadership: "He wants to prove that he can be out there with the guys…every year can be magical and special." [33:34]
• Young QB Evaluations: Sanders & McCarthy
  • On Shedeur Sanders: “I still felt like the game was uber fast for him…he doesn’t process it fast enough. That’s why he dropped in the draft.” [34:56–36:03]
  • On J.J. McCarthy: "You have to find out exactly what you have…not be married to him just because you invested two years." [36:46]

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3. The News & College Football Weekend (38:14–44:45)

• Egg Bowl & Lane Kiffin
  • Discusses Kiffin’s future at Ole Miss and whether his presence should affect CFP committee consideration.
  • Doug believes if Kiffin leaves and doesn’t coach, committee should weigh that: “You won’t be the same team if Lane Kiffin’s not your coach.”
• Vanderbilt Football’s Rise
  • Clark Lea’s contract extension is praised as a big step for the program and a shift in Vanderbilt’s priorities.
  • Fun banter about SEC culture and stereotypes around Vanderbilt.
• Bengals’ Thanksgiving Food Moment
  • Joe Burrow skips postgame turkey, quips “I don’t know who made it. I’m good.” [44:45]
  • Doug laughs: “Don’t we do that every day? You eat at Chipotle, you don’t know who’s back there!”

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4. Packers’ Offensive Evolution (51:16–53:22)

• Packers Beat Lions
  • LaFleur: “This was a playoff type atmosphere and to be able to come in and win on the road is big for us…proud of our guys but we gotta keep building on this.” [52:02]
  • Doug notes LaFleur’s aggressive playcalling post-Eagles game, especially on pivotal fourth downs.
• Jordan Love on 4th Down Success:
  • “That was the difference in that game right there…just going out there executing and those got to have it plays.” [53:22]
• Dallas, Green Bay, and Chicago’s remaining schedules are compared in context of playoff potential.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (By Timestamp)

• Doug Gottlieb:
  • "As a collective group of Cowboys haters, which most of us are, it’s a very— for whatever reason—a very polarizing team." [07:43]
• Jerry Jones:
  • “I don’t remember a better two games back to back here at home. These guys played inspired.” [09:24]
• Brian Schottenheimer:
  • “We never panicked. We’re not going to panic on this team.” [09:57]
• Mark Dominik:
  • "That offensive line’s in shambles right now…that’s the demise of the Chiefs and why they won’t make the postseason." [25:05]
  • “He wants to prove that he can be out there with the guys… every year can be magical and special.” (On Burrow) [33:34]
• Joe Burrow (clip):
  • “I didn’t touch it. I don’t know who made it. I’m good.” (Thanksgiving Turkey) [44:46]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 03:13 — Doug opens with Cowboys analysis
• 09:24 — Jerry Jones on Dallas’ major wins
• 09:57 — Brian Schottenheimer & Dak on team mentality
• 11:17 — Dak on team’s confidence
• 24:01 — Mark Dominik on Cowboys/Chiefs/Packers
• 27:40 — Packers’ LaFleur, Love’s development
• 29:45 — Lamar Jackson’s struggles
• 33:34 — Joe Burrow’s effort & legacy
• 34:56 — Shedeur Sanders evaluation
• 38:14 — News segment (Egg Bowl, coaching, culture)
• 44:45 — Joe Burrow’s turkey refusal
• 52:02 — Packers/Lions highlights, LaFleur on win
• 53:22 — Jordan Love on key 4th down conversions

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Tone & Style

The episode is candid, conversational, and loaded with playful self-awareness. Doug Gottlieb brings a mixture of humility and expertise, openly admitting past misjudgments, poking fun at sports media and fan biases, and blending sharp football analysis with lighter cultural jabs and banter. Guest Mark Dominik provides grounded, detail-oriented insight as a former NFL GM, offering practical team-building advice and context. The interspersed news segment with Jason Stewart incorporates humor and college football culture in a light but informative way.

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Summary

This hour of "The Herd" is a nuanced, honest breakdown of the Dallas Cowboys' unexpected resurgence and legitimacy, the Chiefs’ structural issues, and the Packers’ renewed offensive identity. It offers expert analysis, notable soundbites from team leaders, and context for both the NFL landscape and major college football developments. The tone is reflective, informed, and often entertaining—making it a valuable catch-up for those who missed the show.

Transcript

[Doug Gottlieb]

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[Doug Gottlieb]

Boom. What up America. Doug Gottlieb in for Colin. This is the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be making this part of your day, thanks so much. Colin is on vacation. You are very likely out and about. Maybe you're doing Black Friday shopping. Maybe you're driving around somebody who's doing Black Friday shopping. Maybe you had to work today. Like I got it. Whatever you got to do. Welcome in day after Thanksgiving, obviously you probably feel like you're like you're a swine, right? I mean we ate it like 2 o' clock yesterday. I'm still full. I'm still full. But good day for football. Packers take down the Lions, Cowboys take down the Chiefs. Bengals with Joe Burrow without and with Jamar Chase end up taking down the Baltimore Ravens. So we'll get to some football. Plus we got unbelievable rivalry weekend in college football. And the Egg bowl is one people are paying attention to because they want to know what Lane Kiffin's doing. All that is going to be discussed over the next three hours. One of my favorite parts of listening to Colin and being Collins friend for years is the when Colin was right, when Colin was wrong. Right. But I think there's a good portion of all of us that need to go a my bad. Maybe this is the classic Cowboys aren't really good, they're just not as bad as we thought they would be. But the reality is the Cowboys took down the Chiefs. The Chiefs a team. And again, I'll be the first one to tell you I've always just operated under the until further notice. Chiefs win the AFC West. Chiefs get to the AFC Championship game because that's what they do with Pat Mahomes at quarterback. And until proven otherwise, I was gonna I'm gonna die on that. Die on that hill. But how can you not be impressed by the Dallas Cowboys? I get it. I'm with you. I love when the packers took down the Cowboys a couple years ago in the playoffs. Dak throws all those picks in the first half. I like you had just an enjoyable experience watching the Cowboys fan Mel social media. But since the bye week they beat the Raiders. Granted the Raiders aren't particularly good, but we didn't think the Cowboys were good. And remember this is after getting destroyed by Denver and getting beaten by the Arizona Cardinals at home. The season could have gone the way of the dodo, right? They had lost three out of four games, two of them, two non playoff teams in the Carolina Panthers and the Arizona. Arizona Cardinals. And what have they done over the last five days? They beat the Eagles and they beat the Chiefs, granted, both at home, but both thought to be, I mean, that's last, you know, super bowl teams and, and teams that were thought to be playoff teams this year. So at some point we go, hey, you know, they're not perfect. They create a lot of noise just to create noise. They do seem to put themselves in a, in the same conundrum on a yearly basis where they wait until the last second and then always overpay their guy. But this year is different. Instead of overpaying Micah Parsons, they traded him and they were committed to stopping the run. And guess what? It kind of worked. Defense isn't great, but it wasn't gonna be great with Micah Parsons. And they handed the franchise to Dak Prescott and by hand to him. It's not just the, the contract extension they G year. It's not just the fact that he's the starting quarterback and they put weapons around him, you know, going out and getting pickings this year in a trade. It's that they, they kept Brian Schottenheimer for the most part because he's a good offense coordinator. Dak Prescott likes him and they didn't want to have another language in Dak Prescott's here when this one clearly works for him. And what is Dak Prescott done? 354two week last weekend. 320 yesterday. 112 yards with CD Lamb. Last week it was Pickens that was the main target. It doesn't matter. Dak Prescott has shown himself to be a top 10 at worst quarterback in the regular season this year, maybe even top five. And though it is offense first, the defense does stop the run. They are better than we thought. The Cowboys, they're not great. They're not going to win the super bowl, but they're far from the laughing stock that people want to portray them as. And as a collective group of Cowboys haters, which most of us are right, it's a, it's weird. It's, it's a very, for whatever reason, a very polarizing team. You either are a Cowboys fan and a constant believer that this is the year, or you kind of laugh and scoff at the Cowboys even if they're not a rival of your team. And I've said this on my show, the Doug Gottlieb show follows this show. It has for the last eight years on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. I've said on my show that yes, Jerry Jones does things just for effect. Jerry Jones will say some weird stuff. But by and large, whether it's Jerry or his son, if you ask football people, they'll all tell you Cowboys have good players. It doesn't always work and hasn't gotten them Super Bowl. But the Cowboys, if we're questioning Jerry as a GM in terms of their evaluations, some of their signings, it's not going to be 100% hit rate. It isn't for anybody. Chiefs, Eagles, Nobody hits on 100% free agents or draft picks, but they're better more often than they're not when him and his group are making selections. Here's Jerry talking about the two big wins over four day stretch. I have really, I don't remember a better two games back to back here at home. And these guys played inspired. Kansas City had a nice crowd here and so it was really important to us to play the way we did because they were here to really be there for Kansas City. So I just can't tell you the respect I have for Kansas City. Here's Brian Schottenber, the head coach of the Cowboys. On his quarterback Dak Prescott's performance, I thought he was incredible. I mean, you know, I really do, I think, you know, throw an interception on whatever the second or third play of the game is never how you want to start. We were actually, we were hot and you know, he tried to beat it with a throw in the corner. Did a nice job. He kind of baited him into it. But I mean that's who we are as a football team. You know, we go out there and we turn it over in the first couple plays. They go, I think two plays and score a touchdown. And we never panicked. We're not going to panic this team. Why would we panic? We've got all the confidence in the world in one another and that we're going to figure it out and we're going to make, you know, really good adjustments and, and look, there is a discussion about the Chiefs and the 10 penalties, but outside of fourth down conversions where the Chiefs got three out of three Cowboys, more yards, more first downs, fewer penalties, nine of 16 on third down, whereas the Chiefs were five of 13 and they had the ball longer than the Chiefs and the Chiefs didn't turn it over and didn't win the game. Here's Dak Prescott on his team, having.

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To get these wins against two elite teams.

[Mark Dominik]

I mean, the two teams that played.

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In the super bowl last year, last year's last year.

[Mark Dominik]

But you're talking about two organizations that.

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Obviously know how to win, and we.

[Mark Dominik]

Just beat them both in two great games, as you said, in four days. And just showing the resiliency of this unit, of this brotherhood on top of.

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Everything that we've been through. Yeah, I don't know if there's been.

[Mark Dominik]

Two more impressive wins, but I can tell you right now that we're not going to just sit on some because of that.

[Doug Gottlieb]

We know we've got a big one.

[Mark Dominik]

Coming again next week. And all this really does for us is just give us more confidence knowing that we can go play with whoever.

[Doug Gottlieb]

It's true. And they do have a big one. They go to Detroit. Detroit just lost the packers yesterday. You know, that one's right around the corner here on a Thursday. So, you know, both teams have the same amount of time off, but it's right back at it. Then they get Vikings at home, Chargers at home. They go to the Commanders, to the Giants. I mean, even if they can't beat, the Lions will probably be favorites in three of those last four games. And the window for the Cowboys make the playoffs is very much open. The point of is this. This is not me to saying the Cowboys are the best team in the NFL. This is not me saying Dak Prescott's the best quarterback in the NFL or Brian Schottenheimer's the best coach in the NFL or Jerry Jones the best GM in the NFL. But when we started the season and they. They had the holdout with Micah Parsons and he's laying there on the training table, you had so many people saying, pay the guy. Cowboys are. And. And it's easy. Cowboys are a clown organization. They don't pay guys. Then ultimately they overpay. They're still not committed. Good. And then when they were competitive with Philadelphia, week one of the season, you can feel free to raise your hand, I will as well. Where you think? I was surprised by it. Then they get blown out by the Bears third week of the season, you're like, okay, they're regressing to the mean. They tie the packers and that felt like a massive upset. They lose to the Panthers, and now they're playing more like the Cowboys you expected. They win the last three. They're very much in the playoff hunt, and it's okay to go. You know, they did a pretty good job considering they don't have a great defense. They got to rework it in the off season, but now they have some draft picks and they locked up Dak long term. And if you, like me, were never really a Dak guy, I'm not a Dak denier. Like, he stinks. But he has not been good in the playoffs. He's been outstanding this year. They've been way better than anybody thinks. And you can make fun of Jerry Jones's comments and the weird way in which sometimes he tells a story, but those are pretty good football guys that have got a pretty good job of putting a more than decent product on the field. And the Cowboys are way better than most anyone thought.

[Jason Stewart]

Yeah, Jason, remember the Jerry Jones documentary that came out? I forget the name of it, but it was. It was a really good watch. It was the Jerry Jones version of the Cowboys story in the 90s. And the big takeaway from that for me was that the biggest point of contention between him and Jimmie Johnson over the years, and I don't even think they've settled it to today, was who made the deal for Herschel Walker.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yeah, who gets credit?

[Jason Stewart]

Who gets credit? And they literally didn't talk and they had all these issues. I had thought when he traded Micah at the beginning of the year that he was kind of feeling his oats from that documentary. He watched it and he's like, I'm going to make a deal. This is all me. I signed off on this and this is going to be one of my signature moments as a football decision maker. And can you say now that so far that has worked because he got so much crap when he first did it?

[Doug Gottlieb]

No question. I think he got a lot of crap because people also thought it was. It was his own fault for not resigning Micah Parsons early. But it was early, you know, and at some point you get to the A, we're not going to be great defensively with him. So why should we re sign him to a gigantic contract which will harbor our ability to be good, you know, in the future? But yeah, maybe it was as a reaction to that, Doc. Maybe the timing was just curious. Maybe. I don't know. You bring up a very, very good point. But all we can go by is this year and most people thought the Cowboys would kind of be a joke playing for a high seed. Right. And that Brian Schottenheim would simply have the job for a short period of time and then he'd bring in somebody else. And to this point, it's okay to go, hey, we were wrong, we're wrong. Every guy hits that moment, you feel it. Less drive, less fire. I don't accept that. I fight back with mDrive. Build on real science. Use Collins exclusive Black Friday code at herd 35 for 35% [e-mail] I'm Doug Gottlieb filling in for Calling Today. Coming up in the Herd, we'll get a former NFL GM's perspective on what now with the Chiefs and how about them Cowboys? That's next. But first, hey, if you listen to the show, you know Colin absolutely loves Simplisafe Home Security system. Simply Safe is getting fans of the show access to an early Brack Friday sale. Simplisafe actually can stop a crime before it really starts. Here's what I mean. When you think of security, you probably think of an alarm in the house that reacts after the intruder has already broken in. Too little, too late. Simplisafe is different. It's the only home security system you can actually call real security. Because SimpliSafe keeps watch outside your home and takes action before criminals break in, Colin uses Simply Saving. You should too. Don't miss this sale. Go to simplysavecollen.com today and you'll get 60% off a new system. This is their best deal of the year. You won't ever see a better price. With a 60 day money back guarantee and no long term commitment, Simplisafe earned your business by keeping you safe and satisfied every day. Get 6% off on your new system at simplisafecollen.com there's no safe like Simply Safe.

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Doug Alleyman for Colin it's the herd here on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app broadcasting from Green Bay, Wisconsin. Most you mostly in the Midwest Know that it's coming. We got a little. We got a little dust in the other day, but it's. It's coming. It's coming tomorrow. First. First snowstorm of. Of the season. Mark Dominic doesn't have these problems, right? I mean, he. He picked an organization in Tampa. He's a Florida guy. Florida, California, people like. I don't know what you're talking about. You talk about former general manager, the Tampa Buccaneers, of course, spent his entire professional life in the National Football League, and he joins us now in the herd on Fox Sports Radio. How were we so wrong about the Cowboys, Mark?

[Mark Dominik]

Yeah, you know, they've just been so inconsistent. It's been hard to understand what team we're going to see each week. And yesterday we saw that the offense continues to shine under Brian Schottenheimer and what Dak Prescott's able to do. And certainly George Pickens made a lot of great plays along with Ferguson. And so the Cowboys have found a way to be, you know, just frustratingly inconsistent, but yet still have a shot and a path to the postseason somehow.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Okay, what about the Chiefs? You know, it's like, you go back about a month ago, you're like, all right, here they come, and here they sit. You know, it's. It's. I mean, look, my. My faith remains in Andy Reed and Pat Mahomes, but, heck, they lost coming out of a buy, which, you know, does happen more in Kansas City than did in Philadelphia, but rarely happens. And the Broncos and Bills are good teams. The culture, good teams. Some of it's schedule, but some of it is they're just. What's missing there?

[Mark Dominik]

Well, I think two things. I think, number one, you know, we saw, sadly, Josh Simmons looks like he might be done for the year. You know, John Taylor's. They're going with their second or third and fourth offensive tackles. And in Kansas City, we've seen it over and over again. When that offensive line starts to get depleted, they can't win. And that's where they sit right now is they just can't keep as much as Patrick was, you know, throwing the ball well, and obviously, it touched down yesterday that. That offensive lines in shambles right now, and that's. That's the demise of the Chiefs and why they won't make the postseason, even with a couple of teams, I think they can win. The other part of the Chiefs that you see when you watch them play is they're not fast defensively. They're strong, they're powerful, but they're not fast. And to Me, that shows up as well.

[Doug Gottlieb]

You know what that reminds me of? It reminds me of the end of the Patriots run. Right? I mean, when. When the downfall of the Patriots, obviously, when Brady left, they didn't have a quarterback. But even prior to that, people like yourself, NFL people all said that the Patriots, they just weren't fast, they weren't flying around anymore. How hard is that to fix? Can you fix that in one off season?

[Mark Dominik]

Yeah, I think you can. I mean, again, you're going to, you know, decide what you want to do for agency, but the draft is going to be a piece where you can absolutely add some speed and get to, you know, maybe a linebacker. They need a speed rush. Edge is what they really need. They need somebody that can come off the edge, that can just, you know, win the fastball, and that's what they don't have to me consistently at all. And so I think you're going to have to look to the draft, you know, and then say first or second round. That's where I think the Chiefs have to pinpoint somebody that can get the edge and can win with a fastball and hopefully develop that other rush move. But Kansas can be in a weird spot. I mean, I don't. Again, I don't think they're going to make the postseason just because I don't. I think Jacksonville has too many wins that are still on the board. Buffalo can, you know, and so somebody's going to win the north somehow. But I just don't think Kansas City can put enough W's on the board now to get to the postseason. So they'll be picking, you know, top 20, which they haven't done in a long, long time.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Okay, we go from Matt LaFleur a couple of weeks ago, I go to the Eagles game and super, super conservative. And you and I have talked about it on my show where I'm like, well, yeah, you lose Tucker, you know, Tucker Kraft, and you lose your left tackle. And the Eagles obviously have an unbelievable pass rush, as we saw against the Lions. And so maybe that's the reason they were so conservative. You go from that to what we saw from the floor over the past two weeks, especially yesterday. What. Why has his play calling been so different, in your opinion?

[Mark Dominik]

He's been more aggressive. I think he's kind of said, hey, look, it is what it is. We're gonna. I think he feels Jordan love when Jordan's kind of in the zone. I think he calls the game based off of how Jordan's playing. And yesterday, Jordan was making Throws and, you know, you got to give LaFleur a ton of credit. That fourth down call to go to throw the ball up to Wicks, and Wicks makes the catch. You know, basically end the game, kill the clock. That's a huge decision where they're sitting on the field, knowing you can back them up all the way to probably the top, you know, inside the 10 and make them drive the length of field. Instead, he says, I'm going to win the game right here. And Jordan Love makes the throw, but I think the floor is feeding off of where Jordan Love's confidence is, and you're seeing him be more aggressive with the play call because of it.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Doug Gottlieb in for calling. It's the Hurt fox Sports Radio iHeartradio app. You and I have also discussed that as a. As a play caller. Dan Campbell feels like he calls plays, but he's not an offensive coordinator. Right. There's a play here, a play there. It's not as smooth, doesn't have the same rhythm. What'd you think of yesterday?

[Mark Dominik]

Yeah, I kind of feel the same way. Like, you know, it's, you know, the one thing about Jared Goff and maybe the entire offense is having, you know, it's interesting you think about it from a defensive standpoint, for an offensive standpoint. Right. Offensive coordinators like three and out didn't work out. We'll just punt. The defensive coordinator sits there and goes, hey, three and it didn't work. It said, well, they just scored a touchdown. It's just a completely different way to look for the game where I think you think it at home, you're like, yeah, I never thought of it that way. Like an off of the quarter. Like, if it doesn't work out, you just punt the ball and try again. It doesn't work out on defense, you're in trouble. And so that's why it makes it hard. And I also think, to your point, Doug, like, you want to find the rhythm with your quarterback where you're feeling like we just talked about with the floor, feeling the emotions of the game or feeling the offensive guy that he spends the entire time on. And you know that this is what I feel like is the right direction. Detroit misses that a little bit. Certainly Ben Johnson's done a great job in Chicago, put the Bears where they are, but this is a coordinator that they desperately lost and desperately miss.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Okay, let's go to the nightcap. Let's start in the negative. What's wrong with Lamar Jackson?

[Mark Dominik]

Yeah, I just, I feel like he's just missing grows. And I know that we're all watching it unfold, but just the lack of like the locked in or the decision making, he just looked like he was, you know, rushing himself and then quickly flicking the ball out and trying to make a play and just it's affected his accuracy. And I don't think it was the weather at all. This has been something we've seen with Lamont not processing very well for him and therefore, you know, he's looking errands. I mean, his accuracy is really off almost back to like his rookie campaign kind of a feeling where I thought, what's going on with this guy? So I don't have a great answer for why Lamar Jackson feels like he's regressed based off what he's been able to do in the past. But I would say that the main thing is that I feel like he's rushing as you're watching the field. Like he's, like someone's in his ear saying, you got to make a decision, hurry up, make a decision. And because of that, I think he's throwing the ball, you know, early and it's throwing off his accuracy.

[Doug Gottlieb]

I guess my question is, you know, Greg Roman, they thought they had hit a ceiling with Greg Roman's offense. And my thought was like, you want MVP with that offense? I don't, I don't think that's what it was. But you know, you bring in Monkin and it's a passing based offense, he still runs, but it's more, hey, now he's been a league now he's a better, now he's a better passer, not just a thrower. And I again, and their defense isn't, you know, when they were, when they were failing in the playoffs previously, the defense was awesome and the offense, you know, was allowed to, to just run the football and to be conservative occasionally take a shot. Is it too much for him to carry the team as a passer?

[Mark Dominik]

It feels like it right now. Right. I mean, Mike McDonald obviously is a great defensive quarter, has done a great job as a head coach down Seattle and getting them in position of postseason. And they missed that. He was, you know, he's brilliantly smart. And so they missed that defensive side of the ball where maybe the town's not to the level. We've seen the Ravens before, but they were technically on top of everything offensively. The frustrating thing for me when I watch the Ravens, and I'm sure Ravens fans, they could have run the ball last night like they were running the Ball perfectly fine. They just couldn't stick with it. But you know, if they can just find a way to get back to Derek Henry and giving him the ball 20 plus times a game, I think that even if they fall behind 10 or 12 or 13 points, I think you still want to focus on Derek Henry getting the ball because that to me is your ticket to finding a way to still win the north, which again is wide open. And even the Bengals, as hard as it's to imagine, and so late, you're only a few games out now. You know, I know we don't have a lot of games left, but you know, it might be 9 and 8 or 8 and 9 could win that division which before the season started, Doug, I would have never dreamt that with those three teams, Pittsburgh, obviously, Baltimore and Cincinnati, I would have never dreamt it would have been that kind of an outcome with where the season's ended up. Right now.

[Doug Gottlieb]

I'm obviously as a coach, I'm even a football fan. You love what Joe Burrow said and here's, here's kind of my, my takeaway mark. So stick with me. Let me kind of explain it. We're so critical of athletes when it's load management or when they shut it down, you know, late in the college football season, late in the NFL season. And yet our generation, you and I were kind of the ones that came up with this idea of load management or protecting the asset that that is the player in college, in the pros or whatever. So if anything, we got to be self critical and understand that, you know, Gen X is being critical of Gen Z for an idea. For an idea and a plan that is really a Gen X plan. That being, that being said, what does it say? What does Joe Burrow playing, despite the very, very slight chance of making the playoffs, say about Burrow and how we view him?

[Mark Dominik]

Yeah, I mean, if you, I'm sure as we watched the game last night, we saw the injury history of Joe Burrow and it's, it's something that I've talked about multiple times over the years, that that's just a sad fact of his career, whether it was in college or now in the NFL that he gets banged up a lot. And I think for Joe, he wants to prove that he can be out there with the guys and he understands every year can be magical and special and you just don't know how longer you get to play this game. It can be taken away from you in a blank. And so I love that that he decided that he wanted to be out there. And I think it also, because the Bengals were mathematically still alive, that you put him back out there and say, hey, look, let's. Let's see what we can do and see what kind of spark we can give the team. And even though he started a little slow, he certainly sped up and really kind of, you know, looked like the Joe Burrow that, you know, could have been the team that wins the division. We'll see. I mean, again, we've got only a few. We have enough games left where you could say, yeah, it would be bizarre. But, you know, they play each other, they got to play other opponents. You know, nothing's falling apart for any team right now in the North. It's a stretch, but it was fun to watch him be out there and show that, you know, as a leader, he's gonna. If he can be there, he'll be there.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Okay, help me out. I need the absolute neutral, former general manager, former player personnel guy. Your opinion on shooting Shador Sanders, how did he play in his first week as a starter?

[Mark Dominik]

You know, I, you know, you got to give him credit for at least, you know, I know you make the halfback pass and, you know, you got to let those running back, you know, scampers in for a long touchdown. So he gets the stats for that, but he still has to get the ball in his hand to put in the right spot. You know, he made the one throw down the field. But overall, I still felt like the game was uber fast for him. I don't feel like if. And I would have him the starter this week, I would. I would let him get three or four starts. Unless you fail desperately or terribly, I should say. You know, I would go ahead and get a sense because really, where the Browns sit as an organization is who's the number two? Is Dylan going to be the number two? Is Shador good enough to be number two? Let's figure that out, because there's really no number one on this roster. I don't think it's either one of these guys based off of what I've seen from both of them this year, but I would like to see more Shador. But I don't think it's going to get better. Honestly, Doug, I just. I'm not a hater on Shador or anything like that. I just feel like the processing stuff too fast for him and he doesn't process it fast enough. And, like, what he was able to do in Colorado, where the system was really quick, we can get the ball out now. Things are. Everything's moving so much faster. I think it's hard for him.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Is that something that improves with experience?

[Mark Dominik]

Usually it can because the game, quote, unquote, slows down for young players. But to me, the style of play this is why should do or dropped because a lot of people were worried about the system he played in Colorado that was so quarterback friendly for him specifically that can that translate over? So a lot of people were like, I don't know why, you know, I thought he was a first round pick. Well, a lot of scouts went in there go, you know, I don't know about this office isn't what we're going to run the NFL. And so therefore do I feel like he's got the same tools, I can get him to where he needs to go in the next level. And a lot of clubs said I don't think so. You know, and obviously the other things around Chador, he's tried to handle those the best he can. But I think when you watch it, yes, you're supposed to give more time, but to me, I still think you're going to see a lot of interceptions over the next couple of weeks.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Okay. Same, same question with J.J. mcCarthy.

[Mark Dominik]

I think it's fair. And I think the same thing is very frustrating for JJ also is that you feel like he should be able to do it and be more of a consistent player, you know, one through four quarters and not be spurdy. And I think that the same thing, though is no matter what, I play JJ the rest of the year, as long as he can be on the football field to find out exactly what I have. But I got to understand that as an organization, I don't have to be married to him. As much as that sounds crazy, he's only two years in and this is really only his first year. You know, the one mistake you can do is say, well, we'll just give him one more year and see if we can get this figured out. If the Vikings are in a position where they could draft another quarterback and say, hey, look, we're going to make a competition, but we've got to find that guy. That's what you have to do. Because in the end, we all know that that's really what matters the most, is who's pulling the trigger on your football team at that position. If that means you have to go back to the well again, go back to the well. Look at Chris Ballard. He's done it basically every year as a Colts gm. He's had a different starter out there and now, he may have found the right one at Daniel Jones for a while.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Mark, you're the best, man. I love your analysis. Obviously, I respect all the experience you have, and I hope you had a great Thanksgiving with family. Enjoy this weekend. We'll talk to you next week on my show. In the meantime, thanks so much for being a guest in the Herd.

[Mark Dominik]

Thanks for having me on, Doug. Happy Thanksgiving, brother.

[Doug Gottlieb]

You, too. Mark Dominick joins us on the Doug Gottlieb. Excuse me. On the Herd, Doug Gotley filling in for Colin. Yeah. Let's get to Jason Stewart with the news.

[Mark Dominik]

No, no, no, no.

[Podcast Announcer/Advertiser]

Turn on the news.

[Doug Gottlieb]

This is the Herd line news. Hey, Doug, by the way, by the way. Hold on real quick. By the way, Merry Christmas to you, Jason. And I say Merry Christmas because I. I do feel like holidays are like the Price Is Right, where once you go over, you can't go back. Right. Again. Is it okay? It's okay to wish me a Happy Thanksgiving, but generally, nobody wishes Merry Christmas on the 26th, nobody wishes Happy Halloween on November 2nd or 3rd, and nobody wishes Happy Thanksgiving today. Right. Even though it is Thanksgiving weekend. So I'm okay with it. But generally, I want to be the first to tell you Merry Christmas, Jason.

[Jason Stewart]

Well, that's nice of you. Thank you. I. I think it's a little too early, though, so I can't fully accept it. I think Happy Holidays is a safe route. And by the way, after New year, you've got 14 days to wish people Happy New Year. 14 days after the New Year.

[Podcast Announcer/Advertiser]

Those are my rules.

[Doug Gottlieb]

How long are you allowed? That classic, very cheesy dad joke. I just got used to writing 2025 on my checks in the new year. Is that allowed?

[Jason Stewart]

Yeah. I mean, if people still write personal checks anymore, I think that you could probably still do it. You could allow a boomer grandfather to do it. Yeah.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Okay. All right. Sorry. Go ahead. Egg ball.

[Jason Stewart]

No, I was right in the middle of this. Egg bull is on right now, Doug, and they're trading haymakers. Ole Miss against Mississippi State. At Mississippi State, 14 to 7, as we speak. But there are bigger, bigger things involved in this. So there's a press conference tomorrow to discuss Lane Kiffin's future. I need to know your confidence level right now and whether or not he stays at Ole Miss. And as a second question, if he does leave and he doesn't coach the playoff games, should the committee factor that into their seating?

[Doug Gottlieb]

No, I don't think they should factor it in. If he does leave, I don't. Because he's going to coach the, he's going to coach the bulking. He's going to, he's going to coach the playoff to win it. Yeah. Again, I, I think, I think by not saying I'm staying, although he has said I'm staying previously when it was just a Florida job open, I still think he's staying. But if he does leave, if he does leave, I don't think he can be factored in. Because you can factor it in if the coach isn't going to coach. You can factor it in if the player isn't going to play. Like Florida State a couple years ago I had no problem with them getting left out of the College Football Playoff. They weren't the same team after losing the quarterback. You won't be the same team if Lane Kiffin's not your coach. But he will be the coach and there's no reason to think that he can't be engaged in trying to win and then probably trying to take all of his underclassmen with him to LSU if that's the job he takes.

[Jason Stewart]

Okay, so you're introducing an angle here that I haven't heard. I was under the impression that if he decides to leave, he's not coaching the team, that he's going to go to the next school.

[Doug Gottlieb]

So he's not coaching the team then absolutely outhold against him.

[Jason Stewart]

Okay. Okay, so there you go.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Absolutely.

[Jason Stewart]

Another big game tomorrow. Rivalry weekend is Vanderbilt playing Tennessee. 14th ranked Vanderbilt, 19th ranked Tennessee. ESPN is reporting, Doug, that Vanderbilt has agreed to a new contract with head coach Clark Lee. It is a reported new six year deal to keep the Commodore's coach. I'm guessing you're for this decision. You're a head coach. You like when head coaches get compensated and rewarded for good work. I'm guessing.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Well, I mean he's done great work. Not good work. Right. I mean when do we think Vanderbilt was like a legit contender in the sec? Now part of it is Vanderbilt private school has all that money and now they've decided to spend it. They spent on facilities, they spent it obviously on their team. Diego Pavia, you know, has really changed the landscape of all college sports with his lawsuit which won. But yeah, I mean I think it's huge for Vanderbilt to be able to hold on to their guy. For Clark Lee not to be able to go on, go to what people consider like a real SEC school. Vanderbilt has become a real SEC school and now they have the draw of Nashville.

[Mark Dominik]

Right.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Like they're the one SEC team outside of I guess Texas you know, that's in a major city that people want to live in and want to work it. You know, Athens is like an hour from Georgia, so it's close and it's. But it's still a college town. Like, they're unique and they're able to draw to that. Yeah, I do. Like. I don't like this. I love it. Vanderbilt being able to retain their head coach and put all their financial resources in football and being rewarded and successful for it. That's a great story.

[Jason Stewart]

No, I agree. I agree. Okay, so finally. And. And this opens a whole. We could do an entire show or podcast.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Can I. Can I. One thing just. Again, I was the guy just. And Vanderbilt fans will tell you I was the guy that would say Vanderbilt is in, but not of the SEC back in the day. Right? Because they were the school that cared about academics and put not as many hot women. Right? And they were the private, not the public. And they, you know, they, they. They were good more at the Olympic sports than the traditional sports in basketball and football. They didn't even have it. I don't even think they have an athletic director. They had a. They took off the name of athletic director a couple years ago, maybe 10 years ago at Vanderbilt. So this is Vanderbilt saying, hey, we're. We're. We're big boy into sports now.

[Jason Stewart]

I had no idea that women at Vanderbilt were less attractive. I don't think we should have that conversation in 20. But I'm guessing that there's a phrase that was like.

[Doug Gottlieb]

That was like a 2014 discussion maybe.

[Jason Stewart]

Yeah.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yeah.

[Jason Stewart]

I'm guessing there's a phrase that. She's Vandy hot.

[Podcast Announcer/Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Vanny Vanity 10 is a. Is what a LA 4? No. Was it?

[Mark Dominik]

No.

[Doug Gottlieb]

A Tuscaloosa 6.

[Jason Stewart]

Oh, man. So I don't know if you missed this one, but Joe Burrow with his team to a win last night, and then in this Melissa Stark thing afterwards where they feed everyone turkey. I think it. It looks ridiculous, and it was ridiculous. Joe Burrow steered clear of it and was asked about it after the. After the game.

[Podcast Announcer/Advertiser]

I didn't touch it.

[Mark Dominik]

I didn't touch it. I didn't. I don't know who made it.

[Podcast Announcer/Advertiser]

I don't know where they made it. I'm good.

[Doug Gottlieb]

I had a little pepper that.

[Mark Dominik]

I was good.

[Jason Stewart]

I was good with the pepper. What do you think about eating food that you don't know where it was made or who by whom?

[Doug Gottlieb]

I mean, don't we do that every day?

[Jason Stewart]

It's a good point.

[Doug Gottlieb]

I'm serious. Like right, like you go to Chipotle, you don't know who's who's back there making Chipotle. I get a better feeling that Chipotle is, is made. I I get more confidence in whoever makes the NFL Network's dinner than I do who's making my and I'll throw Qdoba in there. So we're not just separating Chipotle and Qdoba. Same place, different name, right? Yeah. He's probably more, I don't know who's touched it. He might be a germ guy. And that I do get right. It's like after a game, it's put on the field. I know who touches it. But I'm gonna guess that was probably made by a pretty good catering service. Whereas, you know, you get a little fast casual on the way home. You have no idea who's back there in the kitchen and what their intentions are. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the herd lie news. If you've ever worried about safety of your home, listen up. Simplisafe is giving you early access to their Black Friday sale. Take 60% off of any new system at simplisafecollen.com that's simplisafecollen.com there's no safe like Simplisafe. I'm Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin Cowherd. Coming up next in the Herd to the Packers. Find what they've been missing on offense. Find out next.

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[Doug Gottlieb]

Doug got leaving for Colin. This is the hurt Fox Sports radio on the iHeartradio app. Welcome in. So the packers beat the Lions and it, you know what's a weird year for last year? It's like the opposite of last year, right? Last year the packers were really good in division. I see were putrid division. The only division win was on the doinker right in in Chicago. That was the only win they had in division. Now they're three and oh in the division and you know, struggling at times outside division. Here's Matt LaFleur, packers head coach. Summon up the win.

[Mark Dominik]

No, that was a great football game. I mean to come in here against a really quality opponent. I mean they got great players, great coaches. I've got so much respect for what.

[Doug Gottlieb]

They'Ve been able to accomplish the last few years.

[Mark Dominik]

And so you know it's going to be a battle every time you come in here. But I was really proud of our players. This was a playoff type atmosphere and.

[Doug Gottlieb]

To be able to come in and.

[Mark Dominik]

Win on the road is big for us. You're either getting better or you're getting worse. You're never staying the same. So I'm proud of our guys but we got to keep building on this.

[Podcast Announcer/Advertiser]

And we can't think that we've arrived.

[Mark Dominik]

By any stretch because as soon as.

[Doug Gottlieb]

You do that, you get beat.

[Mark Dominik]

So we got to keep. Just keep fighting and clawing and trying.

[Podcast Announcer/Advertiser]

To get a little bit better.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yeah, I mean, listen, and to people who are critical of how much they ran the ball against the Eagles, I mean, obviously, you know, Jordan Love kind of scrambling five times, but you take that out and there, you know, there's still 25, you know, 25 carries, if you will, more 22 in terms of traditional, you know, and, and 30 attempts. But it's pretty obvious that since the Eagles game, he's gotten more aggressive. He's got more aggressive. I mean, he's almost taken on kind of the Dan Campbell mentality a little bit in terms of going for it on fourth down. Here's Jordan Love on those fourth down conversions.

[Podcast Announcer/Advertiser]

Be able to go up there on.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Fourth down, execute and make some big time plays is really the difference in that game right there. So, you know, that's what it comes down to is just going out there executing and those got to have it plays.

[Mark Dominik]

And we made plays tonight, everybody.

[Doug Gottlieb]

It's fascinating, right? They have two against the Bears with the Broncos on the road in between, all within the next three weeks. The Bears, who are, you know, ahead of them in the standings, you know, still have. They have the Eagles on the road and the packers on the road in back to back weeks, you know, and this is a Bears team that though anybody would tell you they're vastly improved, right? Think about this. The Bears have beaten the Cowboys at home. Granted, Cowboys trending towards a playoff team. Raiders commanders on the road. Saints at home. Bengals at home. Bengals on the road. Giants at home. Vikings on the road. Steelers at home. If you're an honest person, you go, you know, the. The Bears haven't beaten a team outside of the Steelers that as of now is an absolute playoff team. Only 2 wins over teams with above.500 record. That being the Cowboys and the Steelers. So we'll find out a lot more about the Bears as the packers are trending in the right way. And they're trending the right way as their coach has gotten way more aggressive with his play calling since the Eagles game. Every guy hits that moment, you feel it. Less drive, less fire. I don't accept that. I fight back with mDrive. Build on built on real science Use Collins exclusive Black Friday code herd 35 for 35% off mdriveformen.com all right, coming up next in the Herd, the decision to play Joe Burrow this week and beyond was met with applause. But should it be let's discuss next. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is the herd.

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[Doug Gottlieb]

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