THE HERD - Hour 1 - Dodgers win in 18 innings, Chiefs find ways to win, Steelers don't do offense well

Summary

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd

Episode: Dodgers win in 18 innings, Chiefs find ways to win, Steelers don't do offense well
Date: October 28, 2025
Host: Colin Cowherd (with Rich Eisen and J. Mac)

Episode Overview

This episode of The Herd dives into three main stories from the sports world: the Dodgers' epic 18-inning victory over the Blue Jays in the World Series, the Kansas City Chiefs' dominance and adaptability despite roster changes, and the ongoing offensive struggles of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Colin also explores notable NFL narratives including quarterback evaluations and trade deadline implications, while touching briefly on NBA prospects and college football.

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1. Dodgers’ Marathon Win & World Series Takeaways

Main Theme:
A detailed, emotional retelling of the Dodgers’ 18-inning World Series win, highlighting not just the stars but the often-overlooked role players and pitching depth.

Key Discussion Points:

• Epic Game Recap:

  • Dodgers beat Blue Jays in 18 innings, stranding 18 runners. Jays left 19 on base.
  • “Any World Series game that goes 18 innings can be won and lost several times… more like an eight part Netflix special. Six hours, 600 pitches plus.” (Colin Cowherd, 03:19)
  • Not a high-glamor showcase but a testament to teams’ perseverance and character.

• Dodgers’ Unsung Heroes:

  • Will Klein, a AAA pitcher who “couldn’t get people out” earlier in his career, threw four scoreless innings: “Every iconic Dodger moment… there’s always a Will Klein.” (Colin, 04:45)
  • Tommy Edman’s defense and Clayton Kershaw’s crucial out.

• Shohei Ohtani’s Greatness:

  • “Ohtani hasn’t made an out at Dodger Stadium in close to two weeks. Seven for seven with six walks in roughly two weeks. All extra base hits.” (Colin, 05:25)
  • First player since Yogi Berra to have multiple walks and home runs in the same World Series game; starting pitcher less than 24 hours later.

• Freddie Freeman’s Walk-off:

  • “Freeman sends a fly ball to center field... Barney Freeman has ended it. It’s a repeat hero with the last word…” (Colin, 06:30)
  • Emotional capstone that “gives goosebumps.”

• Manager & Clubhouse Reaction:

  • Dave Roberts: “It took everybody on the active roster to win one baseball game. And it’s something special.” (08:53)

Notable Quotes:

• “Shohei Ohtani is Patrick Mahomes and Myles Garrett in one person.” (Colin, 06:10)
• “You put Will Klein in... and everybody rises to the moment.” (Colin, 09:11)

Timestamps:

• [03:19] – Marathon game narrative
• [04:45] – Will Klein’s impact
• [05:25] – Ohtani’s streak
• [06:30] – Freeman’s walk-off
• [08:53] – Dave Roberts on the team effort

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2. Kansas City Chiefs’ Versatility and Dominance

Main Theme:
Breakdown of the Chiefs’ ability to win games even when not playing at their best and how depth, coaching, and new offensive weapons set them apart.

Key Discussion Points:

• Recent Victory and Offensive Evolution:

  • Chiefs beat Commanders handily despite early turnovers: “B minus, C plus performance and they still crush the Commanders.” (Colin, 13:30)
  • Depth in receivers: Rashee Rice, Xavier Worthy, JuJu Smith-Schuster.

• Defense and Team Completeness:

  • No punts in three straight first halves; defense is No. 2 in the league.
  • “I think Kansas City is a touchdown better than the second best team in the league.” (Colin, 12:55)

• Patrick Mahomes on Team Growth:

  • “I think we’re getting better and better... That’s all we have to do is push forward.” (Patrick Mahomes, 13:15)

• Coaching as a Differentiator:

  • “This is what great coaching does… close up the weaknesses, build slowly on the strengths.” (Colin, 12:43)

Notable Quotes:

• “They haven’t had this kind of offense, these kinds of weapons, this kind of depth since 2022.” (Colin, 12:37)

Timestamps:

• [12:55] – Chiefs vs. Commanders analysis
• [13:10] – Patrick Mahomes’ reflection

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3. Steelers’ Ongoing Offensive Struggles & Fan Disenchantment

Main Theme:
Colin critiques the Steelers’ long-term lack of offensive innovation and urgency at quarterback, paralleling fan malaise with a sense of obligation rather than passion.

Key Discussion Points:

• Fan Frustration & Ticket Sales:

  • Noting high numbers of Packer fans in best seats at a Steelers home game.
  • “Do you really love it? … Steeler fans have every right to be frustrated...” (Colin, 19:29)

• Failure to Evolve Offensively:

  • Seven straight seasons as a second- or third-tier offense.
  • Continued lack of urgency post-Big Ben at QB: Kenny Pickett considered a “bottom third round prospect” by one GM.

• Comparisons to Other Franchises:

  • Contrasts Rams, Niners, Chiefs moving off quarterbacks who were actually good – “Upgraded” mentality Steelers lack.
  • “Mike Tomlinson… There was just no urgency. That’s not how offensive coaches act.” (Colin, 21:54)

• Coaching Response:

  • Mike Tomlin: “We all have to own it… these problems are somewhat repetitive and we’re not getting better fast enough.” (21:39)

Notable Quotes:

• “It doesn’t feel like love anymore. It feels like a responsibility.” (Colin, 21:16)

Timestamps:

• [19:29] – Steelers fan frustration
• [21:39] – Mike Tomlin’s comments

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4. Around the NFL & Bonus Segments

San Francisco 49ers Injury & Quarterback Situation

• Brock Purdy’s health is up in the air; Mac Jones considered a strong backup.
• “Why risk Purdy? What’s the point?” (Colin, 24:14)

Detroit Lions Watch

• Dan Campbell says they still haven’t played their best football (26:27).
• Debate on whether Detroit is a legitimate NFC top-three team or the record is misleading.
• “Detroit’s pretty good... if you’re in the top three, you’re in a good space.” (Colin, 28:35)

Caleb Williams Evaluation

• Critique of former No. 1 pick’s lack of progress in timing-and-rhythm offense.
• “Fine is not the standard when … you hired the hottest offensive coach … spent 100 million to upgrade…” (Colin, 32:59)
• Carson Palmer: “I just have yet to watch a game where I’ve seen him excel in the pocket…” (33:30)

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5. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “It was more than Freeman, more than Ohtani. It was the out by Kershaw, the great defensive plays by Tommy Edman... Triple-A pitcher in Tacoma, couldn’t get people out there… four scoreless innings, biggest moment of his life.” (Colin, 07:21)

• Dave Roberts: “It took everybody on the active roster to win one baseball game. And it’s something special.” (08:53)

• “You put these single-A guys… around Freeman and Betts and Ohtani… everybody rises to the moment.” (Colin, 09:11)

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6. Additional Topics & Timestamps

• MLB World Series Analysis (Jays future, Ohtani strategy):
  [40:02] – Emotional impact of Dodgers’ win
  [41:05] – Blue Jays manager on pitching around Ohtani
  [42:49] – Dave Roberts on Ohtani's October impact

• NFL Trade Deadline Analysis:
  Discussion of Cowboys’ position for trades and reasons to be patient. (43:22+)

• Quick Hits:

  • NFL: Tyler Shough named Saints starter vs. Rams, betting line impact (48:39)
  • NBA: Cooper Flagg’s injury update and rookie struggles (29:18)

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7. Overall Tone and Style

Colin’s approach is energetic, opinionated, firmly rooted in data and analogies, and peppered with the kind of sharp, memorable quips that spark debate. As always, he blends big-picture narrative (“What makes the Dodgers great isn’t just the money…”) with deep-cut analysis (“If you win Game 3 of the World Series, numbers tell you about a 70% chance to win the series…”).

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Summary Table of Key Segments

| Segment | Main Point | Notable Quote/Timestamp | |--------------------------|----------------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------| | Dodgers World Series | Dodgers' marathon win; Ohtani, Freeman’s heroics | “Shohei Ohtani… Patrick Mahomes and Myles Garrett in one person.” (06:10) | | Chiefs Dominance | KC’s offense and depth, defensive top-two ranking | “Touchdown better than the 2nd best team…” (12:55) | | Steelers Offense | Seven-year malaise, lack of offensive urgency | “It doesn’t feel like love anymore. It feels like a responsibility.” (21:16) | | QB Evaluations | Cautious on Caleb Williams; love for Jaden Daniels | Carson Palmer: “I just have yet to watch … excel in the pocket…” (33:30) | | NFL Trade Talk | Cowboys’ patience recommended; trade targets | “Dallas is in a really good spot, just not today.” (44:10) |

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Closing Thoughts

This hour exemplifies The Herd’s mix of passionate storytelling, hard-nosed critique, and reverence for big moments—delivered with Colin’s signature directness and flair for analogies. Whether you missed the 18-inning epic, want a Chiefs reality check, or need to commiserate with Steelers fans, it’s a brisk survey of the current sports landscape.

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Transcript

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Colin Cowherd]

Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the [e-mail] or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now, let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Oh, here we go. It is a Tuesday. Can we top yesterday's show? Well, we'll give it a try. The Herd hierarchy and Nick Wright in one hour from now, another iconic World Series moment at Dodger Stadium on Fox Sports. It is great to have you in today. I know some of you are bleary eyed. I know we are here in Chicago. What a wild, wild night. J. Mac, you're in Los Angeles. It's a remarkable. The people that stayed at the game because they had an hour and a half drive home, they're not going to be many all time that are like that. So let's let, let's not waste any time. Any World Series game that goes 18 innings can be won and lost several times wasted and delivered moments. The Blue Jays stranded 19 runners. The Dodgers stranded 18 runners. Both of these teams had opportunities much earlier in the game and it was not a Hollywood blockbuster movie. It was, it was more like an eight part Netflix special. Six hours, 600 pitches plus. But it was a perfect representation of what makes the Dodgers great. Yes, there is Ohtani, mj. He's absolutely unbelievable and we know that. But you have Tommy Edmond making great defensive plays. That's what Tommy Edmond does all the time. You had four scoreless innings from Will Klein. He was pitching for the Tacoma Rainiers. That's near where I grew up. He had a 7 ERA for them. Every iconic Dodger moment, especially at Dodger Stadium, it's not just about the money. There's always a Will Klein. He threw 66 pitches in September. He threw 72 last night against the Blue Jays, easily the best American League team and only surrendered a hit in four innings. Will Klein, still a young guy released three times this year. They asked him to go four and he just kept with that red beard going out there and getting people out. They needed Clayton Kershaw for a battery. Yep, Clayton Kershaw delivered. So. And then of course, of course it's the Dodgers. So it goes without saying that Freddie Freeman would have a walk off. But there were so many different Dodgers that mattered. I mean, how fitting is it that Kershaw. They need an out. He gets it. Yes, it centers around Ohtani. Listen to this. Ohtani hasn't made an out. He hasn't made an out at Dodger Stadium in close to two weeks. Seven for seven with six walks in roughly two weeks. All extra base hits. We are lucky to be witness to Shohei. He is officially in the sports world. The show first player to have multiple walks and multiple home runs in the same World Series game. You have to go back to Yogi berra in the 50s with the Yankees. Oh, did I mention Ohtani is starting tonight and will be throwing 99 miles an hour. 17 hours after he got on base nine times. Wasn't it just last week that Ohtani had the greatest baseball game ever played? I'm losing track. It was Shohei Ohtani all night long, of course, until the bottom of the 18 18th inning, when who else, Freddy Freeman closed the door. Freeman sends a fly ball to center field. Var. Show's going back before the clock strikes midnight. Barnie Freeman has ended it. It's a repeat hero with the last word and a. I mean, that. That is goosebumps. I didn't see a lot of people leaving. Tip of the cap to Dodger fans. 18 innings ends at midnight. Much later where I'm sitting this morning. But I said before the series, Dodgers in six. Two best teams, I believe, are the Jays. Now they've got an injury to overcome, and I don't know how much gas they have. The Dodgers got very lucky with Yoshi's complete game. Their bullpen was rested. Tonight, it'll be Shohei Ohtani. Think about this. Shohei Ohtani, 7 for 7, 6 walks in his last 13 plate appearances, will now pitch tonight. And he's doing that. Ohtani is doing that in a sport where everybody throws 98 plus. I mean, he's Patrick Mahomes and Miles Garrett in one person. But it was more than Freeman, more than Ohtani. It was the out by Kershaw, the great defensive plays by Tommy Edmond. It was Will Klein. There's always a Will Klein for the Dodgers. Triple A pitcher in Tacoma couldn't get people out there. Four scoreless innings, biggest moment of his life. Still in his mid-20s. It was a game these two teams played, uniquely the best two teams. And here's Dave Roberts after.

[Dave Roberts]

You know, that could go down as one of the greatest games of all time. Or, you know, it was ugly there for a while there, you know, but, you know, it's one of those things that I do believe that the two best teams in baseball are playing in this series. And the two toughest teams. There's a lot of character right there. And, you know, you saw what Lauer did, you saw Will Klein did. We had, you know, Henriquez, who was an A ball last year, he's pitching user innings. Robleski. And obviously Freddie being Freddie. It took everybody on the active roster to win one baseball game. And it's something special.

[Colin Cowherd]

What's really remarkable about the Dodgers and I, and I think about this all the time, is that, you know how they say if you. If you like playing basketball, you don't have to be an NBA player or a college player. But if you like playing basketball and you go to the YMCA and you play against a bunch of guys that are better than you, it will raise your game. You like play better than you normally do, right? There's something about the way we are wired. That's what it is with the Dodgers. You put these single A guys, you put Will Klein in, you put these guys around Freeman and Betts and Ohtani and Glasnow and everybody rises to the moment. It's not just the money. The Yankees and Mets have a lot of money. It's not just that. And the other thing that really struck me last night watching this, Ohtani was doing this with the Angels. He just wasn't doing it in October, is that if you are a great player and sometimes fans are like, well, I mean, they all go to the Yankees or they all go to the Dodgers. Ohtani deserved to be a Dodger. I said it when he signed and I'll say it again. He's simply too great not to be on the stage in October. He is not only the best baseball player ever, I'm not sure who's second. Honestly, I think Monkey Betts is the second most talented baseball player on the earth. Can do outfield, can do shortstop, could lead off, could hit third, could hit fourth. I mean, getting on base nine times. You know, in basketball you say six for six. Everybody knows who you're talking about. MJ, six for six. Oh, that's MJ. LeBron's great all time leading score. He doesn't have a number. I mean, Gretzky doesn't have a number. Ohtani got on base nine times. That's his number. Nobody else could do that. All right, there was kind of a boring football game last night. I won't spend too much time on it, but it is the best team right now in the world. The Kansas City Chiefs, who had kind of a B minus, C plus performance first, two possessions, two interceptions, they're still finding their way. Here's the scary thing though. Six, five weeks ago we were saying, what does Kansas City do? Well, I'm watching last night against the Commanders in a blowout win and I'm thinking, what don't they do? Well, they have more 30 point games and double digit wins right now than all of last year. And we're at the halfway point. So they haven't been this deep offensively since 2022, 400 yards, three times in the last month. Rasheed Rice is clearly, clearly a number one Xavier Worthy, clever number two, JuJu Smith Schuster, a perfect number three. And Travis Kelsey's not done. They have not punted in the first half of their last three games. Their defense is number two in the league, so. And the scary thing is they're missing two offensive linemen. So they're not quite right yet. They're just not quite buttoned up on the front. But I said this two weeks ago, I said it last week, and I'll say it again. I think Kansas City is a touchdown better than the second best team in the league. And I still think this morning they're finding their way. But they haven't had this kind of offense, these kind of weapons, this kind of depth since like 2022. And I'm not even getting to the defense. I don't even have to worry six weeks ago. We're like, their special teams aren't as good as. They don't get a consistent pass rush. This is what great coaching does over the course of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 weeks, you just close up the weaknesses, build slowly on the strengths. Everything seems to work. Here's Patrick Mahomes after another win.

[Patrick Mahomes]

I mean, I know the record's not as good, but it's a lot more fun just when you, when everybody's kind of going out there and making stuff happen. But I think we're getting better and better. You know, we, we lost some tough games early that we had won in previous years, but it's not like anyone hung their head. They just, they just continue to get better and better and that's all we have to do is, is push forward. And whenever the offense, the defense and the special teams are all. And it's fun to play football.

[Colin Cowherd]

Travis Kelsey, eight catches. Isaiah Pacheco got significant carries, 12 averaged about 4 yards a carry. Mahomes is moving well. O line still missing pieces. But this is what I said when they beat Baltimore. Everybody said the Ravens are beat up. It's like, no, it's more than that. It's more than that. They've got a lot of depth and they are humming. And I thought it was a B minus, C plus performance for most of it. And they still crush the commanders. So. J. Mac, before we started the show today, you and I were saying, I don't know if I could have stayed for 18 innings at Dodger Stadium, but I think you were getting so many. I mean, that game could have ended several. I mean, there were warning track fly balls multiple times. Took some great defensive plays. My question today is if you are a Road team. So the Dodgers bullpen was rested. You know, they spent 335 million for Yoshi. He's been worth every penny because that, that complete game in game two, you had a bullpen that was rested. You know, the Blue Jays, I don't know what they have left. They're going to need seven and a half, seven and two thirds. Starting pitching in, in a, in, in tonight. They, they, I don't know what they're going to do. They lose a star player. Their bullpen's depleted. The Dodgers would love Ohtani to go six to seven tonight, but I think they could survive if he didn't. So, you know, if you win, if you win game three of the World Series, the numbers tell you about a 70% chance of winning the series, but that's just not a game three. That was incredibly taxing, especially on the road team. I don't know if the Blue Jays, I don't know what's left in the tank. We'll find out.

[Rich Eisen]

Yeah, I think we got a baseball guest coming on later. I would love just mentally what does a game like that do? You know, like, I mean, you clearly don't get home till two in the morning out here. Right. You're on a high or you're super low if you're the Blue Jays. I don't know mentally what that does for these guys because now you got to face Ohtani on the mound and we know how good he is. Like, feels like a big, big edge to the Dodgers.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, a couple hours. Derek Jeter will stop by our show. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, is Cavino and Rich from Fox Sports Radio. Now, in addition to hearing us live weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, we're excited to announce a brand new YouTube channel for the show. Yup, that's right. You can now watch Covino enriched live on YouTube every day. All you gotta do Sear. Search COVINO and RICH FSR on YouTube again go to YouTube search COVINOENRICH FSR. Check us out on YouTube. Subscribe. Hit that thumbs up icon and comment away.

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Colin Cowherd]

You ever see that guy that pulls into the driveway after work? Maybe it's the wife. And they stay in the car for like 15 minutes. They're not on their phone, they're just sitting there. They don't really want to go inside. Yeah, I feel like that. Steeler fans, according to multiple stories I've read over the last day, Packers Steelers game felt like a neutral sight, that many of the best seats were Packer fans. Those are season ticket holders for the Steelers bailing, taking the money. Steeler fans have every right to be frustrated as the league has pivoted to an offensive league. Seven straight seasons of a second to third tier offense and they just don't take the quarterback position seriously. It's a responsibility to go to a Steelers game, but do you really love it? Green Bay Packer fans had many of the best seats in this game and fans want to feel optimistic not only about Sunday, but the future. The New York Giants aren't very good, but between Scatterboo and Jackson Dart, I mean they're going to renew their season tickets the minute they can. I mean, the Steelers, you can't fool die hard fans and you can't fool Vegas. Right now, the Baltimore Ravens at 2 and 5 are favored to win the division and should be. So again, I've been saying this for years and years. You will show me what matters to you in life. Where are you actionable since Big Ben tore a ligament at 37 years old? Their answer at quarterback has been Kenny Picket, who I was told by a general manager with multiple super bowl trophies was a bottom third round prospect. And their other answer was Aaron Rodgers. And I'm not blaming Aaron. He's been about as good as you can be walking into a defensive culture that didn't do anything right for the last seven years offensively. So on Sunday night I said this yesterday, they got outclassed. The packers. Progressive, smart, offensive coach, draft and develop, spend their money wisely. Pittsburgh once again most expensive defense and now they can't tackle. So here's Mike Tomlinson trying to fix again this year the offensive issues.

[Mike Tomlin]

You know, we all have to own it. Certainly you start with the schematics, man, because you know that's the leadership component of it. And certainly we'll be looking at everything that we're doing, man, because some of these problems are somewhat repetitive and we're not getting better. Fast enough.

[Colin Cowherd]

Said this, the Rams had a quarterback that got him to a Super bowl and they upgraded. The Niners had Garoppolo, got him to A Super bowl upgraded. The Chiefs had Alex Smith getting you to the playoffs upgraded. Those quarterbacks were all good. And the offensive coaches are, like, not good enough. I mean, Russell Wilson, Denver, you could win games with Sean Payton. Like, not good enough. Mike Tomlinson. I mean, remember this offseason, we're like, is Aaron playing? Who's he playing for? There was just no urgency. That's not how offensive coaches act. So I feel like Steeler fans a little like the guy in the driveway that's not coming into the house. It's not special. There's a responsibility to get in there, eventually help the kids, but it doesn't feel like love anymore. It feels like a responsibility. And to give away great seats to the packers because the packers are optimistic because they draft their quarterback three years before he's going to play. Packer fans are always optimistic. Here's J. Mac with the news.

[J. Mac]

No, no, no.

[Mike Tomlin]

Heard on the news.

[Colin Cowherd]

This is the Herd line news.

[Rich Eisen]

All right, Colin, let's start with the San Francisco 49ers. Your guy Mac Jones was not very good against Houston. Listen, we knew the wheels were going to come off. Enter Brock Paul Purdy. He missed his fourth straight game against Houston with that toe injury. But Kyle Shanahan met with the media yesterday, and interestingly, he's like tiptoeing around whether or not Purdy's going to play. I don't get it. Let me know what you think about Kyle Shanahan, his chances on Purdy playing this week.

[Colin Cowherd]

It's too early to say. I don't think it's a long shot.

[Mike Tomlin]

But I know he's doing better and.

[Colin Cowherd]

We'Ll see how he's doing Wednesday. Hopefully, if he's doing good, he'll get in some reps. Well, I think he's got a really good backup. I thought Mac Jones actually made some great throws. One for a touchdown, one down to about the one yard line. But the truth was that offensive line's not very good. And Houston. Houston's one of those teams that on any Sunday can outplay you and make your life miserable. I did not think. I thought Houston was one of my picks. I thought Houston was in a really good spot. So I think. Listen, here's the good news. Mac Jones is probably the best backup quarterback in the league right now.

[Rich Eisen]

Up there.

[Colin Cowherd]

He's up there. And so why risk. Why risk Purdy? What's the point? Get 100%.

[Rich Eisen]

Well, it is interesting because the Giants have a good pass rush this week. That's the opponent. It hasn't been as great as we thought it would be. That being said, you got to win this game if you're the Niners, right. Seattle's moving. They may not face Jaden Daniels this week. You can't keep falling behind. The Rams are two touchdown favorites against the Saints. And by the way, hold on, Niners next week. Colin, the rematch with the Rams, remember that win on Thursday night? They play again next week, so maybe they save pie for that.

[Colin Cowherd]

J. Mack, you always say that when I'm on a heater. I don't give you any clues. I like the NERS minus two and a half.

[Rich Eisen]

I don't know what. Why is it still two and a half? Why isn't this three? This. I think there's going to be three and a half. Well, I mean the Giants are bad. Scaboo's done.

[Colin Cowherd]

If you looked at Sean McDermott off a buyer, why did the Buffalo Panthers line, why wasn't it different? I mean there's sometimes you're trying to get, you know, a sports book. They're trying to get equal play on both sides. Everything. Told you the Bills would win, but the line was kind of relatively competitive. This is one of my picks so far. I like the Niners in this spot.

[Rich Eisen]

Interesting. I. I'm largely with you. I don't know what the Giants are at this point. Like with Scaboo out. Did you see how down Jackson Dart was after he left?

[Colin Cowherd]

Of course.

[Rich Eisen]

Hitting his like headbutt. That's his boy.

[Colin Cowherd]

Also, if you look at Jackson Dart's completion percentage, he's had great plays and great moments. He's not consistent. I mean, we can all, you know, talk about the quarterbacks that are young, but Jackson is a rookie and Robert Sala is one of the best defensive coordinators in football. This is not going to be a great week for Jackson Dart. Hold on.

[Rich Eisen]

Timeout. C.J.

[Colin Cowherd]

Stroud.

[Rich Eisen]

I watch that closely because I was loaded up on the Texans. Stroud beat them with his legs. The Niners have trouble with these quarterbacks who could scramble. Baker Mayfield, member in Tampa. I don't know, man. I'm a little nervous. I'm with you on the Niners largely, but there are some, some lingering issues for San Fran. Next up, Detroit Lions. They are coming out of their bye week at 5 and 2. They are big favorites against the Vikings this week and also Dan Campbell says they haven't even played up to their potential.

[J. Mac]

I really believe we hadn't played our best ball yet collectively, you know, in all three phases. And that's really what we're, you know what. What we're trying to get to here, man, is, man, how can we sharpen ourselves? We know it's going to take every phase. Every game's different, and one unit may have to pick up the slack, but, man, we need to start playing complete ball across the board and. And just keep improving.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, well, it takes time for everybody. They're good. They're a top 10 team. I mean, they've spent their money on the right spots, pass rushers, weapons. They're good. I. I think, you know, there was a fear, and I was way into this, that, like, they're the window closed without Ben Johnson. Offense is fine. O line's fine. Running game's great. Goff is leading the league in a couple of categories. They're fine.

[Rich Eisen]

Are they? I mean, Colin, you again. I get it. You look on the surface, five and two. Oh, my gosh. Leading the division. They're great. You start to drill down a little bit. Oh, let's see the good teams they've played. So they get smashed in the opener by the Packers.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay.

[Rich Eisen]

They go to Kansas City and get worked by the Chiefs. Like, I just. Again, this same deal with the Chiefs, man, you. You were all excited. They haven't punted in the first half, last three games. I mean, they're playing bad teams. So, like, if you really want to drill down. That win over Baltimore, remember, at the time, looked amazing. Yeah, Baltimore was beat up. I mean, like, they started. You could start to see the weaknesses for the Ravens. I look at that. Oh, you beat, you know, the Cleveland Browns and you beat Jake Browning. I just even that win over Tampa before the by, Tampa was exhausted, injured. That was a layup for us.

[Colin Cowherd]

Sounds like a lot of excuses. Detroit's pretty good. If you and I look at Detroit right now. Take the Green Bay game out. It's week one. Week one now is preseason. Nobody plays any starters. Go week two on. It's good.

[Rich Eisen]

Okay, so let me ask you, who are the best three teams in the nfc? Not.

[Dave Roberts]

Not.

[Rich Eisen]

I'm sorry, not best. Who would you trust the most to get to the super bowl in the NFC right now?

[Colin Cowherd]

Philadelphia.

[Rich Eisen]

What are you forgetting Green Bay, Seattle?

[Colin Cowherd]

No.

[Rich Eisen]

Rams.

[Colin Cowherd]

No. Seattle makes way too many mistakes. They're too young and they're not. They're just not buttoned up yet. I. You know, it's Rams or Lions. Depends on where the game's played. In Detroit, I'd take Detroit.

[Rich Eisen]

Could be three or four or five in the nfc.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, that's good enough. If you're in the top three. You're in a good space.

[Rich Eisen]

So they have the Vikings, by the way, this week.

[Colin Cowherd]

They're gonna smoke them. J.J. mcCarthy smoke them.

[Rich Eisen]

Is it Viking season, by the way?

[Colin Cowherd]

Three and four.

[Rich Eisen]

They have Lamar on deck. Okay, final story con. Let's go to. Oh, the NBA. You know, I forgot to do a Cooper Flag story yesterday and the staff got on my case. Unfortunately, we got a Cooper Flag one today and it's not good. He appeared to hurt his shoulder last night.

[Rich Eisen (Ad Reads)]

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[Rich Eisen]

Early in the game. Proceeded to shoot 1 of 9, had no assists in 31 minutes. Came out of the game early in the fourth, did not return. Now this was his first back to back as a pro. Here's Flag talking about the injury and I'm not going to call it a benching, but he was kind of on the bench at the end.

[Cooper Flagg]

Probably get some scans or whatever, make sure everything's all clean, but I feel like it's just a little sore. I just want to keep an eye on it, you know, ice it, do some rehab and should be good to go. You know, I wasn't myself. I wasn't, you know, impacting the game at a high level, wasn't doing the right stuff. So I mean, obviously that's an easy decision for coach and he's just out there trying to win a game. So, I mean, no guys did a great job, you know, battling back down, I think 21 at one point. So they did an incredible job just to battle back and put us in a position where we could have won the game.

[Rich Eisen]

So Cooper flag is 18 years old for another seven weeks. 18. That is insane. Mavericks, by the way, your NBA finals pick you. I'll give you a mulligan. You know, I don't even know if they're a playoff team. Colin. I'm sorry.

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[Colin Cowherd]

It's October. Austin. Austin Reaves looks like the best player in the year. It's October. He looks like the best player in the association. It's October. Okay. All right. J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd lie news. So it's very interesting when you live in Chicago and everybody is so uptight about Caleb Williams. I saw another story today. Here's the headline. Caleb Williams is fine. Everybody relax. Well, fine's not the standard when a you hired the hottest offensive coach on the market, you upgraded your offensive line by $100 million, you've had the third easiest schedule in the NFL and the packers now are surging. Fine is when you take your family out to dinner and the bill is like 48 bucks and dinner's fine. It's not fine. If it's the wedding anniversary and you spend $400 and the food is fine, that's not good enough. Listen, the numbers are really interesting. Through seven games from last year to this year, one thing has improved dramatically. He is getting sacked half as much. And that's really important. Everything else is the same. Eber, fl, Ben Johnson. Maybe this is just what Caleb is. He holds the ball too long right now, longer than any quarterback in the league. And outside of the scripted opening drive, he's not very accurate. Maybe that's what he is. Two staffs, multiple coaches, outside of the sacks coming down, which is important, he's the same guy. So if you take out the Dallas Cowboys game, which everybody scores on, the Dallas Cowboys got an 81 passer rating, five TDs, four picks, and you say Colin an 81 passer rating, that is fine. Will Levis had an 81 passer rating last year. Okay? So that is not fine. So again, he's a number one overall pick. They hired the hottest, most coveted offensive coach. They spent 100 million plus to upgrade the interior line. Wide receiver, tight end, excellent talent, running back to schedule, easy, only getting harder. So the numbers are what they say they are. So kind of middle of the pack. And by the way, I don't think I'm being harsh. I tend to be a guy that's data driven. Look at the numbers. So if you go to seven games last year with a mess of a coaching staff and the first seven games this year, the numbers are all the same. He completes about 61% of his throws. I mean, it's not 52%. And the opening drive has been very impressive. But I'm not the only one saying this. Carson Palmer came on yesterday and I said I don't think he is a timing and rhythm quarterback. And I think it's a timing and rhythm offense and head coach. And here's what Carson Palmer said.

[Carson Palmer]

I just have yet to watch a game where I've seen him excel in the pocket and, you know, drop back, take, you know, go through his footwork, whether it's five steps, one hitch, two hits, three hitch, and then extend a play. You're just seeing him get to the pocket, look around, look around and then escape. Just don't see the development there for the last couple of years. And I don't see a comfort level with Caleb's game within the pocket.

[Colin Cowherd]

So the quarterback class he Came out of Jaden Daniels. Boom. Day one, star Drake May, Year two, start of the season. Star Bo Nicks Last year made the playoffs in the Mahomes Herbert division. I don't think it takes that long. It's just my opinion. I do think by Thanksgiving of the second year, you're going to kind of see what people are. So we, we got a month ago, but if you look at the numbers last year and this year, Mike, one of the things I've always said is that what was your primary liability in college? Consistent accuracy. If that becomes your primary issue in the NFL, Consistent accuracy, then that's what you are now. There are times Jordan Love was kind of reckless in college. He's not reckless now. Why? He's getting better coaching. Like, sometimes you don't get the college coaching, sometimes you get much better coaching in the pro. So you can have an issue in college that disappears, right? Like Johnny Manziel looks small in college. I watched his first NFL game. He was even smaller in the pros. That's a problem, right? Like, so does your issue carry over? If it, if it does, that's who you are. So I do think you can win games. I do think he's exciting. I've said the word horsepower a hundred times, but the numbers are the numbers. And you know, timing and rhythm coach, not a timing and rhythm quarterback. Doesn't mean you can't win games. But remember, the Lions and the packers are in this division. The Lions have the best offensive line arguably in the sport, a Super bowl quarterback, weapons everywhere. And the packers are the youngest offense. And over the last three or four weeks they're getting better fast. So that to me is not fine and relaxed. Those are not the two words I would use. Fine and relax, right? Like if you spend, let's say you spend a hundred thousand dollars to upgrade your kitchen and you come in and you look at it, it shouldn't be fine. If I spent a hundred thousand dollars for my kitchen, I should be like, sweet, this is awesome. So I mean, the coach, the schedule, the O line up grades, and I've been saying this. I think the Bears offensive talent's good, DJ Moore's good. You said catch that 100 this weekend. Colston Loveland, Cole Comet, DeAndre Swift, Roman Dunze is a good player. I will say Caleb is not getting sacked as much. And he has developed a real relationship with Roma Dunz. Those are the two things I really like. He and Roma Dunze are on the same page. That's important. And he's not getting sacked as much really important. There are some positives and that all putting drive on script is good but you know I'm not fine and relaxed is not what I want to hear. Herd Hierarchy Nick Wright Top of our number two Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific I'm going to assume.

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[Colin Cowherd]

Hi, it's Colin.

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[Rich Eisen]

Last night the Dodgers took a two games to one World Series lead after an epic 18 inning marathon. Now the Blue Jays look to tie it up in game four. Coverage begins tonight at 7pm Eastern, 4pm Pacific on Fox.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know, I was thinking about this this morning. Between Freddie Freeman's walk off in the 18th and Trump's tariffs on Canada, we're not being very nice to our neighbors to the north. We're just not being very nice. I don't know if the Blue Jays have anything left. They, you know, march through the Yankees, march through the American League. They're a great team, but they lost their clutch hitting. George Springer, who was great with the Astros, great with the Blue Jays, he's probably gone in the series or certainly limited. You lose on the road in 18 and exhaust your bullpen. I just, it felt backbreaking to me when Freddie Freeman hit that thing out. It felt backbreaking. So again, the Dodgers bullpen was more rested because they went and spent 335 million on Yoshi. And all he does now is throw complete games, which helps the Dodgers bullpen. So last night after the game, Blue Jays manager, he's got a new solution for OJ Shohei Ohtani. He's not going to pitch to him anymore.

[Mike Tomlin]

We're trying to pitch around him. You know what I mean? And you trust Sir Anthony to make pitches to do that. And sometimes for pitchers it's, it's hard to do that, you know, when you're, you're kind of trying to throw a ball and didn't put it where he wanted to put it. But you know, he had a great game, he's a great player. But I think, you know, after that you just kind of take the bat out of his hands.

[Colin Cowherd]

And not to give away secrets, but.

[Rich Eisen (Ad Reads)]

That'S pretty much what we should expect going forward.

[Mike Tomlin]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Listen, when you come for the king, you best not miss. And I felt like last night they Missed barely. I mean, it was a game that could have gone either way. Warning track balls all night, but they had their shots last night. I mean, The Dodgers stranded 18 runners. The Dodgers relied on a guy from the Tacoma Rainiers that had been cut three times, Will Klein, and they got a hit off him. So I just think, you know, it feels like it is meant to be to me. The three, four best players in the series are Ohtani, Betts, Vlad Guerrero, Freddie Freeman, and the Dodgers. I mean, Yoshi now is Yamamoto. Is. Is he 4 or 5? I mean, when you're going complete games in the postseason and dominating lineups like the brewers and the Blue Jays, it just feels like I thought the Dodgers were going to win this thing anyway, but, man, I'm not sure how you overcome last night. I'm not sure. I don't. It just kind of felt like the oxygen got pulled out after Freddie hit it out. Here's Dave Roberts on the Blue Jays trying to pitch to Ohtani.

[Dave Roberts]

Playing with you, there's no bigger clutch player in the postseason. You know, I play with Barry, but, you know, to see, you know, Schneider walk here with nobody on base to make sure he doesn't beat him, you know, I've never seen anything like it, certainly in the postseason. And. And this guy's going to be pitching later today, and that's what's crazy. But, you know, just good at bats and. And you knew that he was going to do something special tonight and John was going to make sure he didn't kind of finish the game. And thank goodness we got Freddie Freeman in our lineup, too.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. I mean, listen, Los Angeles knows how to handle stars. They always have Matt Stafford, Aaron Donald, Justin Herbert, Jim Harbaugh, Sean McVeigh, Ohtani Betts, Freddie Freeman. Their proximity to the Pacific Rim is certainly valuable, but Ohtani was doing a lot of this stuff in Anaheim, and we said for years, Mike Trout, go to the Yankees. Get on the stage. You've earned it. I'm watching last night and I'm thinking, and this is not a shot at the Angels, but the Dodgers are so well run. And the advantage to playing for a big market team or a team with a lot of money is better people hit behind you. Better people hit in front of you. They don't absolutely rely on you. I said this about the late Kobe Bryant. When Shaq left, Kobe wanted to be the man. He didn't want to be the only man. That's why five star players go to Ohio State and not Purdue. They want to be surrounded and Elevated by the best players. So I think Toronto is a great team. I think they're a fantastic team. I don't know what you could. Sometimes the answer is we don't have one. It's like Michael Jordan, the Phoenix Suns. What are we going to do? I don't think there's an answer to Ohtani, Freeman, Betts and the Dodgers starting pitching. So I saw this quote this morning. This would terrify me. If I'm a Dallas Cowboy fan. I've been very pro Jerry, pro dak this year. Jerry Jones is not happy with the Cowboys record. He will consider trades to make the team better. Stephen Jones, Charlotte, step in, get in front of Jerry. So the Cowboys are actually in a really good spot. Four first round picks the next two years. Highly entertaining this season, but not good. So one of those picks is going to be a top 10. And next year's draft is loaded with what you need in the first round. Great edge rushers and a few corners. So the teams that should be really, really working on trade deadline deals. Rams, they did yesterday, went and got a corner from the Titans, Colts, New England. Could they get another pass rusher? Buffalo, I mean Buffalo's past defense is pretty good. The offense is fine. Could they use another receiver? Could they use a defensive stopper on the interior? So the trade deadline is for specific teams. It's not for the New York Giants. Unless you want to move somebody. New York Giants are not going to be a playoff team. Move somebody, get a pick. If somebody needs an interior. Defensive lineman Dexter Lawrence had better days. Maybe that's the guy. So. But somebody has to step in front of Jerry. I've said this. Sometimes when you make a trade and you make a deal, you don't look good for six months to a year. That's Dallas moving off Micah. That's the Lakers moving off Shaq. The Lakers knew first year and a half it's not going to look good. We got to get Kobe a partner. They did. But you're right. Now the Cowboys are the 10th best team in the NFC. So just don't get in your way. It's painful, it's ugly. Couldn't be going better. What you need in the first round, the draft has a lot of corners and edge rushers. You don't need a quarterback. Seven teams do. They'll move up. You can move down and turn two first round picks into additional three, four and five round picks. So it's, it's really. You're not going to see it till April. Dallas is in a really Good spot, just not today. And here's Jerry. Oh, on a potential deal before the trade deadline. If I saw a proposition for us to help this team no matter what this score was today, then I would look at it on the merits of helping this team. And I'm not trying to be cute, but that's why you'd go get him. Is that you'd think it could help your defense. One player we one player away on defense. I think we're not. Yeah, they're not. But you could be a first round edge rusher and a first round corner. And because you moved off Micah, maybe you can find another interior backer, slot corner two or a safety. So Cowboys now have the quarterback and flexibility and draft picks. That's a great place to be. The Rams yesterday went and got a corner. That's what the Rams should do. The Rams don't have a hole except corner. That's what. That's what the trade deadlines for. All right, game four. Derek Jeter will be joining us. Third hour. He was up late. Nick Wright is joining us with her hierarchy. Top of next hour, I don't think. I don't know if you can top last night. The team that wins game three of the World Series wins about 70% of the time. I think it's the same thing in the NBA Finals. Game three is kind of a deciding game. Game three or game five? I don't. Yeah, I just. I think that's a lot to overcome.

[Rich Eisen]

Hey, real quick, Colin. You want a little breaking news in the NFL?

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Rich Eisen]

Tyler Shook has been named the starter for the Saints against the Rams this week, according to Ian Rapaport. And the line has gone up from 13 and a half to 15 in some spots. Does that do anything for you?

[Colin Cowherd]

I'll take the Rams. I don't like big favorites. I will take the Rams.

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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