THE HERD - Hour 1 - Expectations for Caleb Williams, the Steelers defense, the Dodgers are struggling

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Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd Episode: THE HERD - Hour 1 - Expectations for Caleb Williams, the Steelers Defense, the Dodgers are Struggling
Release Date: August 14, 2025
Host: Colin Cowherd
Produced by: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume
Description: The Herd with Colin Cowherd is a thought-provoking, opinionated, and topic-driven journey through the top sports stories of the day. In this episode, Colin delves into the expectations surrounding Caleb Williams, analyzes the Pittsburgh Steelers' defensive strategies, and scrutinizes the recent struggles of the Los Angeles Dodgers.

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1. Introduction

The episode kicks off with Colin Cowherd welcoming listeners to a full hour of in-depth sports analysis. He sets the stage by highlighting the key topics: Caleb Williams’ potential impact in the NFL, the current state and future prospects of the Steelers' defense, and the unexpected downturn of the Dodgers despite their hefty payroll and storied history.

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2. Expectations for Caleb Williams

Colin opens the discussion by addressing the anticipation surrounding Caleb Williams, the standout quarterback for the Chicago Bears. He draws parallels between Williams and other elite athletes, emphasizing the high expectations placed upon him.

• Performance Analysis: Colin reviews Williams' statistics from the previous season, noting a completion percentage of 62.5%, an 88 passer rating, 20 touchdowns, and 6 interceptions. He posits that with a 15% improvement under new offensive coordinator Ben Johnson, Williams could achieve Pro Bowl status.

  "If he just improved 15%, look at the numbers. He's a Pro Bowler." [09:45]

• Comparison with Peers: The discussion includes comparisons with other athletes like Carmelo Anthony and James Harden, questioning their defensive commitments and drawing lessons for Williams.

  "We tend to think if you're really talented, that the problems are always solvable... But not all issues are solvable." [11:30]

• Coaching Impact: Colin emphasizes the role of coaching and offensive line upgrades in facilitating Williams' potential growth, advocating for his early integration into the starting lineup to maximize his development.

  "There are certain things that come easy and you really never develop them right. So I look at Caleb, and this is the part that I'm very optimistic..." [12:15]

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3. Analysis of the Steelers Defense

Transitioning to the Pittsburgh Steelers, Colin critiques the team's defensive strategies and coaching efficacy, particularly under Mike Tomlin.

• Historical Performance: He reflects on last season's defensive struggles, highlighting the team's inability to sustain drives and the consequent fatigue leading to a last-place ranking in opponent passer ratings.

  "Their defense was terrible at the end of last year because they couldn't move the chains." [15:00]

• Coaching Limitations: Colin points out Mike Tomlin’s strengths as a motivator and defensive strategist but criticizes his inability to develop a complementary run game, which is crucial for sustaining defensive performance throughout an extended NFL season.

  "Mike Tomlin is a motivator. He develops. He knows defense. But if you notice last year... their defense last in the league in opponent's passer ready." [16:10]

• Impact of NFL Expansion: Discussing the NFL’s potential expansion to an 18-game season, Colin argues that without a solid run game, defenses will struggle to maintain their effectiveness due to increased physical demands and injury risks.

  "You will not have a great defense in the NFL going forward. 17, 18 game schedule consistently without a good run game." [17:50]

• Financial Analysis: He highlights the paradox of the Steelers' significant defensive spending over the past four years without achieving a top-tier defense, attributing it to their inadequate run game.

  "Historically, if you spend the most money on the side of the ball and you do it for four straight years, it is virtually unheard of that it's not top 10." [18:30]

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4. The Dodgers' Struggles

Colin shifts focus to Major League Baseball, specifically scrutinizing the Los Angeles Dodgers’ recent performance anomalies despite their reputation and financial muscle.

• Unexpected Performance: He expresses surprise over the Dodgers being swept by the Angels, undermining the narrative of their dominance and questioning their current trajectory.

  "Everybody's terrified of the Dodgers... Oh, watch out. They just got swept by the Angels." [20:00]

• Payroll vs. Performance: Colin contrasts the Dodgers' high payroll with their underwhelming results, suggesting that financial investment alone does not guarantee success.

  "They've been out spending almost everybody in baseball for over a decade. And they've got one World Series title." [20:45]

• League Parity: He comments on the broader landscape of baseball, noting the lack of repeat champions and the rise of other teams like the Milwaukee Brewers, emphasizing the unpredictability and shifting power dynamics within the league.

  "Baseball has not had a repeat champions since the Yankees in '99 and 2000." [21:10]

• Economic Considerations: Colin touches upon the economic disparities between teams, such as Los Angeles and Cincinnati, arguing that regional economic factors play a significant role in team performance and competitiveness.

  "If you put Cincinnati in a league with a team from New York and Los Angeles, generally speaking... you can't achieve parity." [22:05]

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5. Additional Discussions

While the primary focus remains on Caleb Williams, the Steelers’ defense, and the Dodgers, Colin and guest Greg Cosell briefly touch upon other relevant sports topics:

• Micah Parsons and the Dallas Cowboys: They discuss the ongoing situation with star linebacker Micah Parsons, including his lack of communication and the Cowboys' contractual obligations.

  "Micah Parsons has not spoken to the media since the first day of camp on July 22nd." [26:39]

• Ravens' Dynamic Duo: The partnership between Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry is lauded as one of the most prolific quarterback-running back combinations in NFL history, contributing to the Ravens' sustained success.

  "They combined for over 2,800 yards. Henry said joining Lamar and the Ravens was even better than expected." [33:25]

• Taylor Swift's Role in Sports Culture: The episode concludes with a lighter segment on Taylor Swift’s involvement in football culture, addressing fan reactions and the blending of celebrity influence with sports.

  "There's 12 and a half minutes of football in a four-hour broadcast. We've seen every male in Buffalo jump off their minivan onto a table on a pregame show that you can cut back." [49:20]

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6. Conclusion

Colin wraps up the episode by reinforcing the importance of realistic expectations for emerging talents like Caleb Williams, the need for strategic adjustments within defensive coaching for teams like the Steelers, and reconsidering the factors that contribute to a team's success beyond mere financial investment, as evidenced by the Dodgers' recent struggles.

Listeners are encouraged to tune in for more in-depth analysis and expert opinions on the evolving landscape of sports.

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Notable Quotes:

• "If he just improved 15%, look at the numbers. He's a Pro Bowler." – Colin Cowherd [09:45]

• "You will not have a great defense in the NFL going forward. 17, 18 game schedule consistently without a good run game." – Colin Cowherd [17:50]

• "Baseball has not had a repeat champions since the Yankees in '99 and 2000." – Colin Cowherd [21:10]

• "They combined for over 2,800 yards. Henry said joining Lamar and the Ravens was even better than expected." – Colin Cowherd [33:25]

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This comprehensive summary encapsulates the key discussions and insights from the episode, providing valuable takeaways for both regular listeners and newcomers interested in the current sports zeitgeist.

Transcript

[Colin Cowherd]

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We tend to think as fans and media, we tend to think if you're really talented, talented, that the problems are always solvable. Carmelo Anthony, well, he's a great athlete. He'll commit to defense eventually. He never did. James Harden never committed to the defensive end. MJ did. Kobe did. LeBron did. Durant has. Even Steph Curry, who's not great, did. Bird did Mellow. James Harden never did. Could have. Lucas never really committed to defense. Well, he's in great shape. He'll use that for offense, my guess, not for defense. Not. We tend to think, though, like, we all know that Sean McVeigh could not make Jared Goff fast or Kyle Shanahan may have made Matt Ryan an mvp, but he couldn't make him a great athlete. But when we see these great talents, we think, wow, you can solve their problems. Aaron Rodgers has been aloof his entire career. Jay Cutler's temperament was not a winning temperament in the NFL. And Cutler was really talented, and so was Aaron Rodgers. Kyler Murray, is he really as committed as Tom Brady was? He's certainly talented enough to be. We think commitment's just getting in a little early, staying a little late. Doesn't work that way. When you're a great athlete like Caleb Williams, there are some things that come easy and you really never develop them right. Like I always said, there's very few supermodels, male or female, that have been neurosurgeons. They don't have to be right. So I look at Caleb, and this is the part that I'm very optimistic last year with two different head coaches and two different play callers, a total circus and an egregiously bad offensive line. Here were the numbers. 62.5% completion percentage, 88 passer rating, 20 touchdowns, 6 picks. Those are not terrible. If he just improved, just with Ben Johnson, very, very. A luxury offensive mind and a very big upgrade on the offensive line. If he just improved 15%, look at the numbers. He's a Pro Bowler. 71 completion percentage, 23 touchdowns, only five picks and 101 pass already. You would be, you would be a Pro Bowler. 15%. A 15% is a huge return in the stock market on an annual basis. But 15 tweaking, that's, that's kind of what McVeigh did to Jared Goff. He really, if you go look at the golf numbers, I mean, I was looking at him this morning. It's, it's not like he took Jared Goff from 54% completion percentage to 70. He took him 54 to 62. Right. Like now the passer rating, because basically golf was on his back with a Jeff Fisher staff. But it was a lot of tweaking. But he couldn't make him a great athlete. My question with Caleb Williams are his issues like Carmelo, he could do it, or Luca, he could do it. They just don't want to. He just wants to tuck it and run. Lamar Jackson could have tucked it and run his way to Pro Bowls, but he didn't want to do just that. So Lamar Jackson has developed into a really good pocket quarterback. He didn't have to. He was winning a lot of games his first year and a half. Not great from the pocket, but above the shoulders. Lamar Jackson, a relentless competitor, said, I'm going to get better in the pocket. And he did. But it doesn't always work that way. So there are certain things in Chicago that are not solvable. The winter weather, the Bears weaker than average ownership are not solvable. The question becomes, can he improve 15%? Because coaches, offensive coaches are great at tweaking. They are not magicians. Nobody could make Jay Cutler joyful. Nobody's been able to make Kyler Murray's commitment obsessive. You know, nobody's ever been able to get Aaron Rodgers out of that passive aggressive nonsense or Mellow to shoot a 3 or Luca to play defense. Not all, not all issues are solvable. 15% improvement from Ben, though. And you have a Pro bowl quarterback. And that's why I say you got to get them on the field. Brian Boldinger came on the show yesterday and agrees. Just get him on the field and let's figure out solvable or unsolvable. Let's figure it out by like Thanksgiving. Okay, great. You're toughening the team Up. They needed to get tougher mentally. Let's put the quarterback out there. You've upgraded the offensive line. You can't be the least bit worried about him getting hurt. He was sacked 68 times and never hurt last year. Put him out there, let him show the world that this offense fits him and he could do the things that Ben Johnson wants him to do. There's. There's no point to hiding him. He needs to play in this offense and he needs to get the ball out of his hands and win from the pocket. So people think I'm picking on the Pittsburgh Steelers, but every even hall of Fame coach has a little bit of a hole. We saw it with Bill Belichick. He started taking over the drafts and the last seven New England Patriot drafts where Belichick had ultimate control, sitting with his dog in that Nantucket table table making picks. They were awful. Bill had a hole in his game, and his hole was he was not good at drafting. He reached on multiple offensive linemen, multiple wide receivers. He was pretty good on drafting the defensive side, especially corners, linebackers, safeties. He was dreadful on offense. Did he ever draft a wide receiver? I mean, he had to go get Randy Moss, already a pro. Wes Welker, already a pro. Edelman was a quarterback in college. Like, did they ever draft a wide receiver? That panned out. He just couldn't do it. Mike Tomlin has a hole, too, and I hope he's aware of it. But Mike Tomlin is talking about the Steeler defense. He said, oh, this thing. Listen to this. This thing is going to be historic. Here's Mike Tomlin on year's potential Steeler defense. We feel really good about the prospects of this group. We do. We got to write that story. But we got enough talent, we got enough schematics to do big, big things. And when I say big things, I'm talking about historic things. It's really hard to be a historic defense when you can't sustain drives offensively. And this, to me, is the hole in Tomlin's game. He's a motivator. He develops. He knows defense. But if you notice last year, too, what happens in the last five or six games to the Steelers defense, it falls apart because they're on the field the whole season. Last year, last five games, their defense last in the league in opponent's passer ready, dead last. Quarterbacks ate them alive. They gave up 400 yards a game, 27 and a half points a game. The point differential was minus 66, bottom of the league. So this Year's defense is going to be historic because you added Darius Slay and Jalen Ramsey. Both, both master prime. The Steelers can't develop consistent run games. And there's a reason Philadelphia's defense or Baltimore's defense are dominating. Yes, part of its personnel. The other part is Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry keep the defense off the field so they're arrested. And by the way, that's what Philadelphia, Jalen hurts and Saquon Barkley in the O line. So when the defense is on the field, they are rested and ready to go. Pittsburgh's defense last year with, with T.J. watt, with Cam Hayward, Minka, Fitzpatrick was dreadful because they're on the field the entire game. And as the NFL keeps expanding the season, we're now at 17 games, many suspect it will be 18. You will not have a great defense in the NFL going forward. If we go to 18 games, you will not have a great defense without a complimentary above average run game. That is too many games to have your defense on the field. Remember that playoff game last year with the Ravens? Do you see time of possession? Ravens 40 minutes, Steelers 20 minutes. You can't be a great defense in these elongated seasons. This, I mean even college football is going to 14, 15 games after the playoff if you don't have a run game. I don't care how good Alabama's defense is, more guys get hurt, more guys are exhausted. Pittsburgh's defense was terrible at the end of last year because they couldn't move the chains. That's what Belichick always got. He kept Dante Scarnecki around. Best offensive line coach ever. They always had an above average run game. They didn't lead the NFL in sacks, they didn't lead the NFL in interceptions year after year. But their defense was fresh, usually healthy. Go to the sidelines, get on the iPad. What did we do wrong? Sustained drives, Brady picking up first downs. Just move the chains. Seven minute drives. Even if you only get a field goal or don't score, let the defense rest. There are no going forward. There will be no great NFL defenses. 17, 18 game schedule consistently without a good run game. And the Steelers cannot build a run game. And you know the only thing that's historic is that the historic nature of the Steelers is once again they lead the NFL in defensive spending in the last four years. Haven't been a top 10 defense. That's virtually impossible to do. Historically, if you spend the most money on the side of the ball and you do it for four straight years, it is virtually unheard of. That it's not top 10. And yet the Steelers last four years haven't because their run game stunk. It's not that complicated. I think it's the hole in his game. All right, J. Mac, we got a lot. Greg Cosell is going to be joining us. The Angels swept the Dodgers. The brewers and the Angels this year have swept the Dodgers. Did you listen to the Taylor Swift stuff?

[Unknown Speaker]

What Taylor Swift stuff?

[Noah]

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[Unknown Speaker]

I was unaware that happened. Of course I heard about it. My daughter watched the whole thing. No, I did not pay attention.

[Noah]

What did she make of it? I.

[Unknown Speaker]

She's a fan of Taylor Swift. You know, we went to the concert. I don't. I don't know that there's anything super interesting in there. Let me go back to your Pittsburgh point for a sec, Colin. Can you. You run a business? I've run a business. Can you think of running a business? Finding no success where it matters most, the bottom line, for like, four years in a row? And then let's not change anything. Let's just double down on what's not working. Like, how can Pittsburgh think. Let's keep doing this. Like, what am I missing here? That's just bad business.

[Noah]

Yeah, I mean, it's. It's. It's so. And again, even the great coaches have a hole. Belichick and personnel, offensive personnel. He just couldn't do it last seven years. The proof's in the pudding. Jerry Jones, smart guy. Vanity and ego. It's his hole. You know, everybody. Everybody's got one temperament for Elon Musk, bit of a hole. He found that out, you know, dealing with our president. Everybody's got a hole, no matter how smart they are. And I think Mike Tomlins is. He's unable to develop a run game to allow his defense to win. The time of possession battle, you can't keep at. Remember, there's more injuries historically on the defensive side than the offensive side. Defensive guys are there to blow stuff up. I mean, that's what you do as a defensive player. Hair on fire, fast as you can blow stuff up. More defensive players get hurt over a season than offensive players. And by the way, as defensive players get older and expensive, they get hurt more often. So the Steelers now are an old football team on defense. T.J. watt, Cam Hayward, 37, Slay ran. You know, they're an old defense. They're an expensive defense. And what's that mean when you can't develop a run game? By the way, the guy they drafted not been impressive as camp. Not in camp. Najee Harris gone. So there's no indication they have struggled to run the ball in camp. It's going to be any different.

[Unknown Speaker]

They feel, yeah, they feel like a business, like a Kodak or Xerox. They just don't see that you need to reboot or reinvent yourself.

[Noah]

We think it's a passing league. The top six rushing teams last year in the NFL all made the playoffs. Three of the top five teams in total defense last year did not. So we know the defense isn't as impactful as it used to be based on the rule changes. But the great defenses almost all have something in common. Baltimore, right? Philadelphia, they have a complimentary run game to keep the defense off the field. That's why the tush push is so valuable to the defense. I mean, they could just, they just convert third and fourth downs. That is another four to five minutes of real time. Your defense can be resting.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah.

[Noah]

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[Unknown Speaker]

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[Unknown Speaker]

All right, Kyle, let's pivot to the NFL and the Dallas Cowboys. Listen, Jerry Jones keeps them in the news. What can we say? Micah Parsons situation remains unsolved as they have their final padded practice at Oxnard yesterday. Parsons has not spoken to the media since the first day of camp on July 22nd. So we're closing in on a month and Jerry Jones did not have much of an update. Get a load of this, Colin.

[Noah]

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[Manny]

Is there a deadline to know whether.

[Noah]

Micah Parsons plans to play in week one or not? No, not at all. You don't have deadlines when you're playing under a contract. Very interesting.

[Unknown Speaker]

You don't have deadlines when you're playing under a contract.

[Noah]

That's like a shot.

[Unknown Speaker]

That's a shot at Micah.

[Noah]

Well, no, that's the truth.

[Unknown Speaker]

Oh, stop it, Colin. That's not. Technically. Yes, that is the truth.

[Noah]

Oh, technically. Well, contracts are technical.

[Unknown Speaker]

Hey, I'll give you a jaywalking ticket. Okay, Technically, it's not a big deal, but technically, you're jaywalking.

[Noah]

I would have to pay the ticket or it would compound in interest.

[Unknown Speaker]

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[Noah]

Payment.

[Unknown Speaker]

So Michael Parsons could theoretically sit out the season.

[Noah]

Theoretically, he could, but he would not get paid and he would get fined because there's a contract with a CBA that doesn't allow that. So contractually, Jerry is right. There is no deadline. You've got a year left on your contract. Jerry's on. You don't have to like this, but there is no rule that I have to pay you a year early. No, that is when you're getting increasingly banged up. You're not practicing. I do not have to pay you a year.

[Unknown Speaker]

Wait, hold on. Do you think that they're not paying him because you're. He's increasingly banged up and all that?

[Noah]

I think there's a lot of factors, and one of them is, why aren't you practicing?

[Unknown Speaker]

Because I want my new contract. Everybody, my. In my.

[Noah]

Everybody. I have to do what the Mariners do I have to do. Why do I have to do what poorly run teams do?

[Unknown Speaker]

Sure, you don't have to. You could send a signal to other free agents that this is how we do business. And do you think those free agents are going to want to get in bed with you?

[Noah]

Nobody's winning this league because of free agents. They're winning it because of quarterback play, drafting and in the ballot, free agency has never equaled Super Bowl.

[Unknown Speaker]

The Philadelphia Eagles just added an all Pro linebacker in Zach Bond and Barkley and won the Super Bowl.

[Noah]

They won the super bowl because their offensive line, all drafted and developed outside of mackay Becton, is all theirs. They did not win a Super bowl because it's Aquan Barkley. He added to the deepest roster by a mile in the league. Derrick Henry made the Ravens interesting. They were great before he got there. They were winning games. Nobody's winning the super bowl through free agency. This threat, if you don't treat Damon Sty. Damon Damian Lillard, good for the Blazers, no player will ever go to Portland. Nonsense. If I call your agent and say, here's 300 million. You're going to the Blazers. That is a threat that agents have made forever. It doesn't hold water at all. Players, as they should be, are selfish and worried about themselves and their family. Free agency is never in the NFL equal championships. In fact, I could argue the opposite has happened. Teams that overspend in it ruin chemistry. It's like the nil, the transfer portal. Usc, lsu, Colorado are using it a ton. Notre Dame's not. And they're winning more football. Get Clemson's not. They have a top three team. So this. This idea that, oh, they're not paying Micah. So what if they offered somebody else huge money? They would go tomorrow to Dallas.

[Unknown Speaker]

I mean, it seems unlikely they would offer someone else huge money, given they won't even pay Micah. I just think he's bungled this. Colin, I know you like to side.

[Noah]

With the billionaire owners, but this is not Cincinnati, where they don't. Where they struggle with every contract. The Cowboys have made Dak the highest paid quarterback before and made CD Lama.

[Unknown Speaker]

Is that working out well?

[Noah]

That's not the point. Stay on your point. They pay people. They're not paying Micah. They overpaid for that linebacker from Notre Dame coming off an injury. I forget the name.

[Unknown Speaker]

Jalen Smith.

[Noah]

Jalen Smith. They paid him too much. Dak. I think they paid too much. CD Lamb. They paid him about right. They pay people all. They paid DeMarcus Lawrence. They. They've paid all sorts. They paid Zach Martin for years. Tyron Smith for you. Cowboys have never. They, they. They've never been cheap. In fact, I'd argue they should pay earlier and then they don't have to wait and pay as much as they do. But Micah is a rare. We're not paying this. This is. Jerry doesn't do this. Is Cincinnati does this annually. The Chargers used to do this annually. This is not what Jerry does annually.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah. So getting to the root of why he's dug in his heels for Micah Parsons is strange. I mean, he did this with Dak. It did not work out well. They signed him to a huge deal. How many? What do you have to show for it? And now he's waited for Micah and it's like every day he's in front of 50 microphones.

[Noah]

If Micah sits out the air and comes back, he. He still has to play under the contract with a year left. So all the leverage is with Jerry Jones in Dallas. He's getting increasingly hurt. He hasn't done anything in the playoffs. Edge rushers are much more replaceable than quarterbacks. That's why you pay Dak. I've told you before, if I had to pay three players on a team, it would be quarterback, left tackle. There's an argument in 2025. Third should be a weapon, a Puka Omron say there's the only defensive player I will absolutely move the Brinks truck over is for a dominant interior D lineman Chris Jones, Aaron Donald, a Reggie White, a Jalen Carter. That body type is, you know, getting a guy that's 61 3, 30 with great feet is impossible. You can find edge rushers now Miles Garrett, I would pay but a lot of these guys on this list, you can find them the market college football delivers them on an annual basis, by the way.

[Unknown Speaker]

Let's see playoffs last year. Steelers did not win. Browns didn't make it.

[Noah]

Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker]

Texans won one. Crosby did not make it. Niners did not make it. Jets did not make. Yeah, so that's. I mean, listen, I'm with you on that, but you could have got one of these deals two years ago for Micah. I just paid him early. All right, let's move on to the Ravens. Colin. Derrick Henry last season, I did not know this. He had over 1900 yards rushing. They were Derrick Henry and Lamar combined. One of the most prolific quarterback running duos in NFL history. They combined for over 2, 800 yards. Henry said joining Lamar and the Ravens was even better than expected, adding things were electric. That's a good free agent move for the Ravens, but a little short in the. Yeah, Dallas could have had him, probably.

[Noah]

No, no. We preached on this show for a year before we're like, go get Derrick Henry. You can get him for cheap. And the Ravens did. That's why the Ravens are perpetually good. Owner Steve Busciotti in the executive suite and John Harbaugh, like they all work in unison. Derrick Henry was a steal. I didn't think it would be this good. I thought he was me so physical. I figured there'd be some erosion or regression. He's been unbelievable.

[Unknown Speaker]

It may happen next year. Colin. I looked historically when he has a lot of carries like over 325the next year there's some pullback. I will say. Can you remind me the last time you saw Steve Bushotti, the owner of the Ravens, at training camp, fielding questions from the media. Do you remember when that was?

[Noah]

You know what's funny about Steve Buscati is he really does pull all the levers there, but quietly behind the scenes. Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker]

No, not for a show.

[Noah]

There. There are. I don't know if there's another owner in the NFL. And I'm serious, that has more of a say on draft day than Steve Busciati. Steve Busciati is all over the Ravens, but he doesn't he's not driven by vanity. He's a great boss, one of the really good billionaires in this league. I've talked to multiple people in the league that say he's the best owner in the league.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah. Even during the Lamar remember two years.

[Noah]

Ago Lamar, he stayed out of it.

[Unknown Speaker]

His mar was his mom was like negotiating but Shoddy wasn't involved and giving us weekly updates.

[Noah]

No, he was involved, but he hides exactly.

[Unknown Speaker]

Jerry take notes. Final story Colin Eagles Browns joint practices this week ahead of the preseason matchup Saturday. How about this moment? Shadour Sanders approached Jalen Hurts and the two went for a ride in a golf cart. Here's what they had to here's what Hurt said about their chat.

[Noah]

There's a sense of obligation to be yourself, and that's who I am. To, you know, be honest and genuine and expressing how how I got to where I am today. Ultimately, it takes a great deal of patience and hard work and a sense of resilience. You know you gotta want it. You know you gotta want it. And so I'm supporting him from where I am and wishing him nothing but the best with his opportunities. Good guy to learn from.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, Shador hopefully was taking notes there. I I like that Jalen Hurts such a, such a leader. You know, Colin in that quarterback tears list, I don't think they have a leadership quotient where it's like gives a golf cart ride to a 5th round pick who's been maligned by the media. Another thing Jalen Hurts has in his back pocket that I love.

[Noah]

Now he's 27 going on 47 J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news. It's always better to start out as a tough parent and then lighten up. Because if you start out as ice cream for breakfast, dad, your kids won't take you seriously. And one NFL team at a practice yesterday, a joint practice that is being called a disaster. A disaster. I scream for breakfast. Dad is unraveling in Miami. We'll talk about that next. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.

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Washed up, a shoe with some bones in it. They had no idea who it was. Most everything was burned up pretty good from the fire that not a whole lot was salvageable.

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[Noah]

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[Manny]

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[Noah]

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[Noah]

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[Manny]

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[Noah]

So when Tom Coughlin coach the New York Giants, he came in hot. He had been coaching at college. He goes to Jacksonville, he goes to the Giants. And he was intense. And eventually the owner sat him down and said, you got to lighten up a little bit. You know, the player council is like, coach, you gotta lighten up a little bit. He did, and they won Super Bowls. But it's okay because he still, he was always accountable. When he was a taskmaster or he lightened up, he was still holding people accountable. But I find this with parents, managers that I've had in my career, you can't come in soft and then become tough guy. Everybody rolls their eyes and it's, this is what I've said. The media chooses who they like and don't like. They didn't like Brian Flores. He didn't give you any access. Like Urban Meyer in college, even though he was winning games, he wouldn't give you any access. And so the media is like, oh, we don't like that guy. We don't like that person. Pete Carroll gave you a bunch of access at usc. Everybody loved him. And so I, I think with Brian Flores, he goes into Miami. This is the Coach before Mike McDaniel. He goes into Miami, no access. He's tough on everybody. And he breaks down the culture. First eight weeks, he just breaks it down. They go one in seven. From that point forward until he was fired, they were something. They were five and four, bottom five penalized team in the league with upgraded special teams. Okay? Mike McDaniel, not a guy that holds people accountable. Fun loving the snarky hipster. They're a top five penalized team. Since he's been a coach of the Dolphins. Brian Flores a bottom five penalized team. Why? Accountability, which is something. Now, Mike McDaniel is stressing. So yesterday the Dolphins had a practice with the Lions. The quote here is, it was as lopsided a joint NFL practice as I've ever seen. Apparently, Tua got banged up. Zach Wilson got banged up. A linebacker for the Lions. Grant Steward said, I don't even know if they practice how we practice. But again, you can't be a bowl of jello. That's what Miami is. Lot of movement, no meat in the sandwich. Brian Flores was rough. He didn't treat everybody well. He has grown since then, and I think remains the best defensive coordinator in the league. Top two. He and Spags. But Miami was something by, like, week nine on, they didn't commit penalties. They took the ball away. The special teams were buttoned up. You didn't have to love him. He didn't get along with Tua, but they were something. And that's why I say with Miami and Mike McDaniel, what are they? I don't know what they are. And again, I understand it takes a while to break down the culture, but I would argue today Miami doesn't even have a culture. And it all starts with lack of accountability. And that's why Brian Flores came in hot. He probably should have lightened up. He now has in Minnesota. But I would hire Brian Flores. Mike McDaniels came in as everybody's friend, and now he's trying to create accountability. And it's hard. And that's not a shot at Mike. It's hard. Jason Garrett in Dallas tried to do that, and people just didn't buy it because he was everybody's, you know, the Clapper. He was everybody's buddy. It was hard. Wade Phillips, in his career, is a really likable guy. It's hard to buy in. He's a taskmaster. Harbaugh can come in hot to Stanford, San Francisco, Michigan comes in hot, and then can lighten up and be more joyful. I mean, at the end in Michigan, Harbaugh was a lot of fun. And so here's Mike McDaniel on the Lions. Player that said, I don't even know if they practice like we do. Literally does not affect me whatsoever. I think there's a lot of. A lot of noise. And I would file that into the noise category. Well, it's noise, but it's not necessarily. There's some validation. The noise is just a comment. That's right. Okay, so Taylor Swift went on The Travis Kelsey podcast, it's called New Heights, it's the Kelsey Brothers is very popular and people got really worked up last year and it was really ridiculous. So she would be on Chiefs game. She would be on tv and whoever was airing the Chiefs game, which they were on every network, they played every day but Tuesday last year. So people would get worked up over it, which I called him out because if you looked at the time she was on screen, it was like 34 seconds per game. I mean, they, they networks would show her obviously as a, the world's biggest pop star, just like they would show, you know, a Spice Girl marry the David Beckham. You know, if Beckham was playing. I mean, Derek Jeter didn't get married, but Derek Jeter, he had a very fruitful life as a Yankee. This is, we live in this world now. Celebrities get celebrities. But here was Taylor Swift. She is, it sounds real here. You got to give her credit. I know some of you guys aren't comfortable with this because she's on screen for 34 seconds. And I would argue celebrities get celebrities. They get the intensity, they get the nonsense. You know, they get people taking pictures constantly. Like I get it. They get each other. Here is her talking actually about football. I fell in love with it. I became obsessed with it. I became like a person who was running through the halls of my house screaming, we drafted Xavier Worthy. And my friends are like, what is, who body snatched you? This is, this is, what do you mean? We're talking about COVID two, cover four, cover zero, man cover. We're talking, we're, we're learning. Yes. And so it's okay. We're all going to be okay. She's going to be shown for 34 seconds. Travis Kelce's retiring after the year. But you know, I've heard this before. They're using each other. Well, I would argue they get each other that. Travis Kelce is Saturday Night Live. He's on GQ magazine. He was already popular because he was so great in football. He's good looking. He's got a great personal. It's not like he hosted Saturday Night Live before Taylor Swift. I mean, he was a very popular guy. He was Mahomes biggest ally on the offense. It's not like he wasn't big. But I, I, I will say I've been a little shocked at how myopic and rigid sports fans have been with this. David Beckham married a Spice Girl. Derek Jeter had celebrity girlfriends. Russell Wilson's married to a singer, folks. It's Hard for Taylor Swift, the world's biggest musical act. In fact, not only that, I read just two days ago on Apple Watch, she has pulled away from the rest of the industry. Who do you want her to date? Guy at the True Value hardware store? I mean, let's be serious here. Celebrities get celebrities. I mean, Justin Verlander, didn't he marry Kate Upton, the supermodel? So just ask yourself, were you bothered by Derek Jeter or Russell Wilson or David Beckham? I think a lot of this is, we as Americans are very tribal about our football. But this idea that networks can't show Taylor Swift for 34 seconds, folks, do you realize there's 12 and a half minutes of football in a four hour broadcast? There's, they're showing you a lot that is non football. I've seen every male in Buffalo jump off their minivan onto a table on a pregame show that you can cut back. I'm done seeing that. I'm done seeing cheesehead guy. That is a cliche I'm done with. I can live with the 34 seconds. By the way, Aaron Rodgers, who has a mysterious wife, has twice, twice dated celebrities. This is just like the way it's gonna. There are in America athletes, there are royal family. In the UK you have a royal family. You have princes in Monaco, right? In America, our royal family are superstar athletes and you know, movie stars. That's our royal family. Here was more Taylor on the new influx of female fans to football. A lot of the women and girls, maybe they, maybe they watched one game to see me cheer on my boyfriend or whatever. But if they, if they stayed, which is what people are saying based on.

[Unknown Speaker]

The numbers, that's because the game is.

[Noah]

So great and it's such an amazing.

[Unknown Speaker]

Interesting thing to learn about.

[Noah]

Yeah, it's great on television. I mean, it's the reason the Netflix, Amazon Primes, the Hulu's, the Paramounts. The reason these companies do well, good content. It's not because we like paying our Netflix bill every month. They offer really good documentaries and, and it's the best actors and the best writers and the best directors and producers and that's what the NFL is. The NFL is great content. Baseball can be slow. There's not a lot of urgency with the NBA season. It's long. Soccer's over on Apple TV. I'm not paying for that. The NFL's great content. Sorry, J Mac, didn't mean to take a shot. Would you? I mean, let me ask you this. Nobody complained about the obligatory and relentless shots of fireman Ed for 30 years. We can't be bothered by 34 seconds of Taylor Swift. Fireman Ed. I am over that one. I'm over. I kind of look forward to the Taylor Swift six second shot four times a game.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, I will say the whole Taylor Swift running around screaming, we got Xavier Worthy. That's pretty cool. Now I know in my house I can hype the jets with our draft picks, but my family's not all excited. I like the Taylor Swift's bought in and talking about COVID two, cover three, man. Like that's kind of cool. I don't know. I'm impressed. I mean, I, I assume Ann runs circles around the family room.

[Noah]

No.

[Unknown Speaker]

When you announce usc, just sign a five star offensive line.

[Noah]

No, I, I, and I, and I do think this is genuine and authentic. Is that, I think when you're young, I mean, my daughter likes sports more than my son. She's willing to go. She goes to MLS games all the time in Nashville. So I think it's authentic. I don't buy their using each other. They speak that celeb language. I think they get each other. I think it's hard to be a celebrity. Celebrity. It's never made more in America. I happen to, I mean, of the 12 homes I'm sure Taylor Swift owns, I know where one of them's at. And people sit on the beach and take pictures of her home. It's a trend. It's what people do all summer long. Who are you gonna date? Who are you gonna be around? You know? Yeah. Congrats to the Kelsey's on that. All right. Greg Cosell's around the corner. On a Thursday? I can't wait.

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[Noah]

You got a hoodie on. Take it off.

[Manny]

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[Noah]

I'm Noah. This is Devin.

[Manny]

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