THE HERD - Hour 1 - Going into the drama between Draymond Green and Charles Barkley, Sean McDonough

Summary

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd – May 8, 2026 (Hour 1)

Topic Highlights:

• Deep dive into the recent drama between Draymond Green and Charles Barkley
• Broader conversation on "ring culture" in the NBA
• Reflections on sports broadcasting, legendary careers, and iconic moments
• Special guest: ESPN broadcaster Sean McDonough reminisces about Syracuse/Newhouse School
• Playful top-five segment and listener engagement

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Episode Overview

This hour of "The Herd" (hosted by Stugotz & crew filling in for Colin Cowherd) explores heated NBA debates, most notably the escalating back-and-forth between Draymond Green and Charles Barkley. With humor, candor, and sports-insider knowledge, the hosts examine how accomplishments are measured in professional basketball, reflect on media careers, and feature an extended, entertaining interview with ESPN's Sean McDonough about broadcasting and his Syracuse/Newhouse lineage.

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Key Segments and Takeaways

1. Setting the Scene: Syracuse, Broadcasting, and Throwbacks

Time: [03:05] – [09:28]

• Stu Gotts is broadcasting from the iconic Newhouse School at Syracuse, leading to opening jokes about imposter syndrome and nostalgia for legendary alumni (Marv Albert, Sean McDonough, Bob Costas, etc.).
• Taylor, Izzy, Mikey Hayes: Banter about broadcasting school, laundry day mishaps, gym insecurities, and the quirks of filling in for Colin Cowherd.
• Meta-moment: The crew pokes fun at themselves for taking so long to mention actual sports:

  "I'm curious how his listeners are listening to the show and being like, are these guys ever going to get to basketball?" – Taylor ([09:28])

2. Draymond Green vs. Charles Barkley: Career Value and NBA Ring Culture

Time: [10:02] – [19:19]

• Prompt: Replay of Draymond’s awkward on-air jab at Barkley, comparing career longevity and impact (Draymond: “The goal is just to not look like you in the Houston Rockets uniform.”)
• Central Debate:
  • Would you rather have Draymond's resume (four rings, defense, Hall of Fame, but constantly under fire) or Barkley's (legendary, ringless, unique personality, beloved post-career)?
  • Taylor argues Barkley's personal fulfillment trumps Draymond's hardware:

    "Does Draymond Green seem happy to you?...He’s constantly still being criticized or being called Steph Curry's backpack...There's no chance that he is completely satisfied with who he is." – Taylor ([12:22])

  • Stu pushes back, focusing on resume and hardware:

    "Take all the personality stuff and just put it aside for a second, resume side by side...would you rather have Barkley's career...or Draymond Green? Cause I'd rather have Draymond Greens." – Stu Gotts ([16:15])

  • Mikey Hayes tries to trap Stu with a hypothetical (Bill Russell's 11 rings vs. Jordan's 6); Stu wavers, ultimately picking Jordan.
• Quote on NBA legacy:

  "Ring culture has gotten completely out of control...the most ironic part about ring culture being out of control is on this show, we have the...guy who got ring culture out of control looking right back at us at Stu Gotts." – Mikey Hayes ([17:12])

• One-on-One Greatness:
  • No one would pick Draymond for an all-time best five squad.
  • Carmelo Anthony nominated as the ultimate "bucket getter" for one-on-one play ([19:03]).

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3. Broadcasting, Career Memories, and Sean McDonough Interview

Time: [24:37] – [41:18]

• Sean McDonough joins live from Syracuse ([24:37]), delighted but mock-concerned about Stu Gotts “tarnishing” Newhouse's reputation.
• Reminiscence:
  • Graduation stories (Dan Rather's "fake sincerity" joke:

    "In life the most important thing is sincerity. And as soon as you learn how to fake that, you're all set." – Sean McDonough ([26:35]))

  • Legendary Syracuse media alumni camaraderie:

    "When you get up there and Olivia says to you, you're going to be on a panel with Marv and Bob and Ian Eagle, you're like three apples in an orange. Which one of us doesn't belong here?...But I'm happy to be included." – Sean McDonough ([30:12])

  • Mike Tirico speech banter; poking friendly fun at colleagues.
  • Humorous question: Does a Doctorate of Humane Letters count if your college closes? ("I'm claiming it," says McDonough ([33:35]))
• Red Sox–Yankees and John Sterling discussion:
  • McDonough praises Aaron Boone’s character ("as decent a human being as I’ve ever met") and John Sterling’s “impactful eccentricity” on the Yankees' fan base ([36:25]).
• The "One Table in a Restaurant" Game:
  • Who gets the last table, Tom Brady or Larry Bird? McDonough says they’d probably sit together:

    "...They're both the kind of guy who probably enjoy the hell out of each other's company and conversation." – Sean McDonough ([39:38])

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4. Listener Engagement: AI ‘Colin’ Predicts Playoffs, Knicks vs. Sixers Talk

Time: [46:16] – [47:47]

• AI "Colin" Cowherd gives a Sixers win prediction for Game 3, citing desperation and Knicks' defensive injuries ([46:16]).
• Hosts debate Knicks/Sixers outlook and Joel Embiid's impact, with Taylor as the confident Knicks fan.

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5. The ‘Designer Brands’ Top-Five Sports Name Game

Time: [48:10] – [51:45]

• Fun, tongue-in-cheek segment as Taylor and Mikey Hayes riff on athletes’ names mashed up with luxury designer brands (Martin "Prado", Vince "Cartier", Louis "Vuitton" Mattingly, etc.).
• Authentic sports-and-life banter, self-deprecation, and gentle ribbing about fashion and movies.
• “Knockoff culture” jokes and on-the-spot improvisations highlight the relaxed Herd guest host style.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Ring Culture:

  "You think the four rings really make him happy when he sits there every single day and has to defend himself?" – Taylor ([12:25])

• On Sincerity in Broadcasting:

  "The most important thing in broadcasting is sincerity...and as soon as you learn how to fake that, you’re all set." – Sean McDonough ([26:35])

• Career Perspective:

  "It was [Syracuse] as important as really anything that's ever happened in my life...and it remains a very special place to me and always will." – Sean McDonough ([40:26])

• Legacy of John Sterling:

  "He was a real character in a world that is increasingly devoid of characters." – Sean McDonough ([36:25])

• Lighthearted Self-Awareness:

  "This is the most sports we have spoken in six months...We have never done this much sports in an entire show." – Stu Gotts ([19:34])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:05] – Broadcasting from Syracuse/Newhouse, nostalgia and opening banter
• [10:02] – The Draymond Green vs. Barkley debate begins
• [12:22] – Taylor on Draymond’s "happiness" and career satisfaction
• [17:12] – Mikey calls out “ring culture” and Stu’s influence
• [24:37] – Sean McDonough interview kicks off
• [26:35] – Dan Rather “fake sincerity” graduation story
• [30:12] – Newhouse alumni camaraderie and humility
• [36:25] – Remembering John Sterling’s legacy
• [39:38] – The Larry Bird vs. Tom Brady “one table” thought experiment
• [46:16] – AI Colin’s Sixers vs. Knicks Game 3 prediction
• [48:10] – Designer brand-athlete mashup top-five list

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Tone & Style

The hour balances irreverent humor, sharp NBA analysis, affectionate nostalgia, and behind-the-scenes broadcasting tales. Quick-witted, self-aware, and playful, the fill-in hosts maintain the lively dialog and broad-appeal style “The Herd” is known for—even when veering from traditional sports takes into media and pop-culture territory.

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For listeners:
This episode is a treat for NBA debates, broadcasting throwbacks, and fans of authentic sports radio camaraderie. Sean McDonough’s appearance and the comedic top-five list add memorable color to an episode blending sports passion and inside-media fun.

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Transcript

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[Stu Gotts]

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We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season and I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments. If we didn't talk ever again, I was firmly.

[Isaiah Thomas]

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That's how personal it got.

[Stu Gotts]

Wow.

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Then after that game seven Marquis coming to you, he's like, you know, I Love you, dawg. You know it's all love. This was just playoffs, you know, this was just basketball.

[Isaiah Thomas]

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[Fox Sports Radio Host]

Now, let's get this party started.

[Stu Gotts]

You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. I see a smile on Mikey A's face. Was it the customized open? What did it for you? Yeah. Or just fill it in for college?

[Taylor]

It wasn't.

[Mikey Hayes]

I was expecting you to start with.

[Sean McDonough]

Oh, it's the Herd.

[Stu Gotts]

I was thinking about it. I really was. Israel Gutierrez at Taylor back in Miami. Mike eh, in Connecticut. I am in Syracuse, New York, at the Newhouse School of Broadcasting. Sean McDonough, a proud alum of Syracuse University, going to join us coming up at 12:25. Izzy, I don't belong here. I have done shows from the Medill School at Northwestern. I have a key to that building. And now I'm at the Newhouse School of Broadcasting. And legends have graduated from this place. Legends like Sean McDonough, like Marv Albert, like Kenny Albert, like Ian E belong here. And so. But I. This is funny, Izzy. I was thinking about this. Had I gone to a school like this, man, would I be good at broadcasting? Oh, my God. The facilities here.

[Taylor]

Oh, just because of the facilities, I was going to say, are you sure the teachers. Yeah, you know, I don't really know what's happening today. It feels like a throwback Thursday on a Friday because I was at home earlier and I saw Skip Bayless on First Take with Stephen A. And I was like, that's weird. And then it's me effectively kind of working with Colin again, like we did in the ESPN days. That's weird. The amount of times that I was on. What's the segment spanning the globe. I mean, I felt like I was a regular on Colin's old show. And then, yeah, you walk in here and like, I don't know what's going on. Taylor's wearing a Miami Dolphins shirt. It's very confusing.

[Stu Gotts]

Why are you wearing a Dolphin shirt, Taylor?

[Mikey Hayes]

Just a laundry day.

[Taylor]

I had this shirt.

[Stu Gotts]

So I was.

[Mikey Hayes]

I was Mac Hollins roommate in college. So I really just cheer for whatever team Mack Hollands is On. And throughout the years, I've collected a lot of teams. Gears, the Raiders, the Dolphins, the Patriots. Now the Bills, stint with the Falcons. This is just. This just happened to. This was just in the rotation.

[Stu Gotts]

It was the only available shirt, is what you're saying, basically, because the rest is in the laundry, right? I mean.

[Mikey Hayes]

Correct. It wasn't the only available shirt, but it was one of the last few remaining shirts.

[Taylor]

You know what, Stu? And sometimes even that, right there is a sign. Like, sometimes you wake up in the day and it's just like there's a sign your day is going to be bad. And I kind of knew today. Maybe not bad, but weird because I woke up this morning and my water flosser exploded in my face.

[Stu Gotts]

Wow.

[Taylor]

And does your day ever really start well when it's something exploded in your face? Put that on the poll, Taylor. Does your day ever start well when something explodes in your face?

[Stu Gotts]

Actually, here's what I'll tell you. It could only get better, though. That's it. I mean, it can only get better from there, right?

[Taylor]

Well, then it got immediately worse because. Yeah. I mean, I don't know how many people experience this, but probably a lot. I got to the gym and I was the least fit person in the room. And it made me very angry.

[Stu Gotts]

Welcome to my life. Welcome to all of our lives.

[Taylor]

I was like, at least I can go to my getaway, you know, my place where I don't have to think. And I walk in and it's like, I don't know, a fitness show. Just like a muscle lifting show. And I'm just like, what is going on today?

[Mikey Hayes]

I was going to ask who's in the room? Adonis and Rocky Balboa.

[Taylor]

It was two people that I had to ask. Once they left, I was like, are those two Florida Panthers players that I don't recognize? Because that's ridiculous.

[Mikey Hayes]

Izzy, call me when you're the least fit person that walks into a McDonald's.

[Sean McDonough]

Not the Jew.

[Mikey Hayes]

Okay.

[Stu Gotts]

Then you can talk to me. That's who you feel bad for.

[Taylor]

Exactly.

[Stu Gotts]

All right. You went Rocky there. Is that what you did, Taylor? Rocky Balboa? Yeah.

[Mikey Hayes]

Adonis. Apollo Creed, son. That's why I went a little Creed, too.

[Stu Gotts]

No, I realized that Adonis was perfect. It's the Rocky Balboa I'm questioning. Very funny, Rocky. Perhaps Rocky 4. He was chiseled. I mean, listen, you go to Siberia and you work out, you're trying to take down Drago. That's the best shape Stallone has ever been in. I'M serious. It's the greatest workout seed in the history of movies. Period. End of discussion. I mean it's just him and the elements. How about that?

[Taylor]

And getting back to your. Your point, Stu, if you went to Syracuse, I think you would still be this level of successful broadcasting which is wildly successful.

[Stu Gotts]

No, I've had a great ride considering that I have no schooling in this a great ride. I'm just imagining what kind of ride I would have had had I had actual schooling. Like if I had facilities like this and I had great teachers and a great alumni base that I could work how much better the career. But I would say it's nearly impossible to top the career that I've had doing this for over 20 years. I replaced Colin.

[Taylor]

Well, I'm not gonna let what replace is strong, right?

[Stu Gotts]

Well listen, I mean he left. He was doing 10 to 1 at ESPN. We were doing afternoons. He left, we took over that slot. And I do remember saying on the air I was try because I wanted 10 to 1. I think that's the best slot in radio, especially for national radio because stations taking you inside the business here local stations want to run their morning and afternoon drive. Where you get the clearance is in the middays. Plus you're done, your, your day is done at one o'.

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

Clock.

[Stu Gotts]

And so I remember going out of my way telling Colin on the air, not directly to him, although I know Colin and I've spoken to him. I remember saying, trying to convince him to leave ESPN radio not because it was good for him, but because it was good for me.

[Taylor]

And I'm sure he's happy now.

[Stu Gotts]

And then what he did, I immediately and we took over 10 to 1. I changed all my fantasy teams to 2pm tea time. How about that?

[Taylor]

And I'm sure he's so happy somewhere as we're starting off filling in for him that we're going deep inside radio. Right. To start. Yes.

[Stu Gotts]

Is he okay, by the way? Colin loves to go deep inside radio. He does. He loves talking about the industry and the business. Yeah, 100%. Is Colin okay? There was like he was transportation. There was an accident. You know, we, we failed to make the joke yesterday when we found out he was supposed to join us that Colin heard the news that we were filling in and he drove his car off the road.

[Mikey Hayes]

So I believe Colin was on a train yesterday.

[Stu Gotts]

Oh, that's right.

[Taylor]

Okay.

[Mikey Hayes]

He takes a train to his car but Colin is okay. This was already a scheduled off day. The hiccup yesterday was I believe his train hit a car or a car hit his train, and then Colin had to get an Uber from said train station, and he was going to miss the time that he was supposed to join. But that's neither here nor there. He was never supposed to be in today, regardless. But I'm curious how his listeners are listening to the show and being like, are these guys ever going to get to basketball?

[Stu Gotts]

Where's the tank? Come on.

[Taylor]

We're going to get to. This is not what I come to the herd for.

[Sean McDonough]

For it.

[Stu Gotts]

We're going to get to Sean McDonough in a couple of minutes. We will get to basketball right now. In fact, Jason ep. Jason back at Sherman Oaks. If we have that Draymond Green sound again when he was on the set with Charles Barkley, I want to play it for the audience. I want to ask Israel Gutierrez a question. A difficult, a tricky question for Israel Gutierrez. Coming up after we play this out, here's Draymond Green on the set of TNT with Charles Barkley.

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

Sports are for young people. You hope to have a great, long career, but sports, nobody WINS when they're 37, 38. I bet you said what you said. I want to hear if he believes what you're talking. Yeah, I mean, I think the goal is just to not look like you in the Houston Rockers uniform. Yeah. Is. Is ultimately the goal for us. Like, we don't want to. What does that look like? Did you see it? I'm just asking. I saw it.

[Stu Gotts]

Izzy, here's the question for you. I realized, Raymond, people don't like him. I get it. He's annoying. He won't stop talking. That's not the thing to say to Charles Barkley when you're sitting on his show, on his set, being interviewed by those guys. Okay. It's not right. But I ask you this question because I had this, you know, I had this debate years ago with LeBatard about whose career do you think Barkley would rather have, his own or Robert Horry's? And then we got big shot Bob on the show, and he said he would rather have Charles Barkley's career than his own career. But Draymond Green is a lot better historically in terms of career than Robert Horry. He is. He's a Hall of Famer. He's considered one of the great defensive players we've ever seen in. In the NBA. And he has, what, four rings? So I ask you this, Izzy, who's you set out your entire life, you work, you want to play in the NBA, and you get there. Whose career. Would you rather have Draymond Greens or Charles Barclays?

[Taylor]

Well, this one isn't really tricky to me anyway, because I'll ask you this. I'll answer a question with a question. Is that a cowherd thing? I'm not 100% sure. If it is, I'm sorry for stealing his thing. Does Draymond Green seem happy to you?

[Stu Gotts]

No.

[Taylor]

Doesn't he seem defensive at all times?

[Stu Gotts]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

Doesn't he? Isn't he the guy who is constantly still, still being criticized or being called Steph Curry's backpack?

[Stu Gotts]

Yep.

[Taylor]

You think he's happy about that? You think the four rings really, really make him happy when he sits there every single day and has to defend himself against people who call him a glorified role player, against people who say that we leave you wide open all the time. There's a reason for that. Steve Martin. And there's no chance that he is completely satisfied with who he is. I'm sorry, Taylor, first segment. That's rough.

[Stu Gotts]

By the way, the audience, we were doing a bit, and Steve Martin's a prop. We were talking about great prop comics of all time, and someone said, Steve Martin. I said it, you know, three names later, and now it's become a running joke on this show. Anyway, go ahead.

[Taylor]

So if you repeat what somebody just said, you're just Steve Martin.

[Sean McDonough]

Steve Martin.

[Taylor]

But now go to Charles Barkley, right? And while Charles Barkley was an angry player, right. Threw people out of a bar window, I believe, was a guy who always stood up for himself. He seems pretty happy. Like, he seems pretty satisfied with his life. Like, and this is what I was talking about yesterday when I said, you know, whether you're Klay Thompson, who is, like, bragging about having four rings after a breakup, which those two aren't even on the same playing field. And then you've got Draymond Green thinking that his four rings can allow him to be disrespectful to a legend like Charles Barkley. The rings don't define who you are. It's the same way that Draymond Green is not going to be the char. The next Charles Barkley of broadcasting, because those four rings aren't going to make him entertaining. Like, he's a good basketball, you know, analyst. He can tell you stuff, you know, that they'll tell you in the coach's huddle, but he's not going to entertain you. That whole Charles Barkley thing was probably supposed to be a joke that just didn't land. And he just tried to, you know, go past it. Kenny Smith was trying to make it funny, but it really wasn't funny. And so in that same respect, I would much rather have Charles Barkley's career and say, look me as an individual, did all I can do. It's a team sport. It's not tennis. I'm not a failure. And so if you want to call me a failure because Michael Jordan went 60 in the, in the finals, great. That's you creating the ring culture and making it even worse than it already is by saying you're a failure, right? So I'd much rather have Charles Barkley's career. You know what they say in basketball, Stugach, right? When you're talking smack to each other, the one thing that you could really land on, hey, if I play you a one on one, I'm going to kick your butt, right? Draymond Green's not kicking Charles Barkley's anything. Draymond Green and one on one will struggle to score against Charles Barkley. Even a 40 year old Charles Barkley.

[Stu Gotts]

Izzy. There were times though, during Barkley's playing career where people would say the same thing. He doesn't appear to be happy. He's mad, he's angry. He's not winning titles. He's in Philadelphia. He wants to get out of Philadelphia. He eventually did. He went to Phoenix. He led that team to the NBA finals and lost to Michael Jordan because everyone did so.

[Taylor]

But he was trying to get there. Draymond already reached the top four different times and he's still unhappy.

[Stu Gotts]

My point in saying all that is, I think where you've seen Barkley be the happiest is with his post career. No one was expecting, not even Charles, for him to turn into what he's turned into in his post NBA career, which is maybe the biggest media member we have going. I mean, he has carte blanche. He could say whatever he wants with no ramifications whatsoever. And Draymond said something to him and Barkley got upset about it. And everyone is outraged about it. Coming from the guy who for his entire career has said anything he's wanted to say. If you could take all the personality stuff and just put it aside for a second, resume side by side, you enter the NBA, would you rather have Barkley's career take all the other stuff out of it or Draymond Green? Cause I'd rather have Draymond Greens.

[Taylor]

It's still Barkley. It's still Barkley. If you're asking me what I rather have, Steph Curry's Career or Charles Barkley. I'd rather have Steph Curry's, but I would rather be Barkley as an individual. It doesn't matter about my personality as an individual. If I say I've exhausted not only my ability 1000% and it happened to be one of the best at that in the game, I've done everything I could. Damarino's not losing sleep because a GM couldn't get him a running back in a defense. He was the greatest.

[Mikey Hayes]

I think the Draymond Green, Charles Barkley conversation is further proof that ring culture has gotten completely out of control. And the most ironic part about ring culture being out of control is on this show, we have the. The Tim Robinson. We're all trying to find the guy who got ring culture out of control looking right back at us at Stu Yachts.

[Taylor]

It's so true.

[Stu Gotts]

Yeah. But I want you to think about this, okay? If I told you, okay, you could be player A, who's defensive player of the year. He's going to the hall of Fame. He plays on legendary teams with Stephen Clay, and he wins four titles. Or you could be player B, doesn't win a ring, but is considered one of the 20 greatest NBA players of all time. Which career, Taylor, Honestly, which career would you take? Because I take Draymonds.

[Mikey Hayes]

Let me flip this back to you. Player A has 11 rings and is a Hall of Famer. Player B is a Hall of Famer and has six rings. Whose career would you rather have?

[Stu Gotts]

11. No, six. I'm sorry.

[Fox Sports Radio Announcer]

You see?

[Taylor]

There you go.

[Mikey Hayes]

Got him. You just got Russell over Michael Jordan.

[Taylor]

You know where you're never going to find Draymond.

[Stu Gotts]

Yeah. The rule on the show is if I correct myself before you speak again, then I correct myself, and I'm right. Jordan's career. Yes.

[Taylor]

Do you know where you'll never find Draymond?

[Stu Gotts]

Made that up on one of those

[Taylor]

graphics that say, who's going to beat this squad? He's never going to be on those ever.

[Stu Gotts]

They don't play one on one, though.

[Taylor]

I mean, doesn't matter.

[Mikey Hayes]

No, no, no.

[Taylor]

Doesn't matter. I'm saying, like, you know, UCO, it's Steph, it's Michael, it's LeBron, it's Tim Duncan, and it's Shaq versus Magic Johnson, you know, Reggie Miller. And he's never going to be on that graphic because people don't think of him as one of the greats. He's a great defender and a great role player on a great team who has a large Mouth.

[Mikey Hayes]

I'm not sure how good Shaq would be as a one on one player because you would think he would have a tough time defending some people like LeBron for me. First ballot, one on one, hall of Fame, Carmelo Anthony.

[Stu Gotts]

Really? Wow. Better than Jordan is what you're saying. That's what you're doing there? I mean, one on one. I mean Iverson, Jordan.

[Mikey Hayes]

Jordan, best player of all time. Carmelo Anthony, best bucket getter of all time.

[Taylor]

That's tough, man. You know what? Whenever I get to choose my Mount Rushmore Monday topic, it will be basket getters of all time.

[Stu Gotts]

Okay. Yes. Mikey.

[Mikey Hayes]

Is it just me or was that a heat check by Taylor? That take right there was just Taylor chucking one up. Let's just see if I'm gonna drain him from half court. Listen, when you're on the herd.

[Stu Gotts]

Yes.

[Mikey Hayes]

Dress for the job you want.

[Stu Gotts]

Yes. And listen to the audience of the Herd. This is a T shirt. This is the most sports we have spoken in six months. Okay. Like we have never done this much sports in an entire show, let alone one segment. We'll take a quick time out. Sean McDonough wonders. He is wondering, he's been texting me, how did they let you into the new house school of broadcasting where I graduated from? He's outraged by it and he doesn't want me to tarnish its name. He will join us coming up next.

[Taylor]

All right, so you're not confused. You can listen to us. That's Stu Gatson Co. Live from 3 to 5 Eastern Monday through Friday on Fox Sports Radio on Also stream us live wherever you happen to be in the iHeart app. Catch us and all of our Fox Sports radio host shows live 24. 7 in the new and improved iHeart app. Just search Fox Sports Radio in the app to stream us live all day every day. And be sure to select Fox Sports Radio as one of your presets in the iHeart app so it will always pop up on the top of your screen.

[Stu Gotts]

Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.

[Sean McDonough]

Hey is Cabino and Rich from Fox Sports Radio. Now, in addition to hearing hearing us live weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, we're excited to announce a brand new YouTube channel for the show.

[Stu Gotts]

Yup, that's right. You can now watch Covino and rich live on YouTube every day.

[Sean McDonough]

All you gotta do search COVINO and RICH FSR on YouTube again. Go to YouTube search COVINOENRICH FSR.

[Stu Gotts]

Check us out on YouTube.

[Sean McDonough]

Subscribe. Hit that thumbs up icon and comment away.

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[Stu Gotts]

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[Taylor]

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[Diana Maria Riva]

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That one's kind of hard.

[Stu Gotts]

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[Sean McDonough]

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[Diana Maria Riva]

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[Taylor]

I cannot believe I'm about to say this out loud in public.

[Diana Maria Riva]

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[CJ Toledano]

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[Isaiah Thomas]

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[CJ Toledano]

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[Isaiah Thomas]

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[CJ Toledano]

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[Isaiah Thomas]

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[CJ Toledano]

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[Isaiah Thomas]

And when it's friends stop by like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too.

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

Steve Nash would get that thing, that, man, hell, get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers while he got the ball. Like after you go through a training camp with that Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Oh, yeah, get your ass up and down the court and you gonna get the ball.

[Isaiah Thomas]

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[Stu Gotts]

So, Mikey, I told my friend Sean McDonough I was doing the show today from the Newhouse School. He graduated from Syracuse University, the Newhouse School. He's very proud of that and he has concerns that I'm gonna tarnish the good name here of the Newhouse School at Syracuse. Like, how am I arriving at the same place where you graduated from? Sean McDonough.

[Sean McDonough]

Well, I'm glad to see you finally got in a new house. You know that this would be the only way that you were able to do it. I'm, you know, I'm glad to see that beautiful S orange s behind you. And it's quite a facility, isn't it? In all seriousness, I mean, you can see why young people want to go there in droves because, you know, not only is there the great history and there's a great program, but the facilities now are top shelf as well.

[Stu Gotts]

Oh, they're amazing. I was telling the folks, and the folks who work here are incredible. I was telling Olivia, who, you know, that if I had these kinds of facilities, I'd actually be good at this.

[Sean McDonough]

Olivia is the best. Olivia Stomski, who runs the Newhouse Sports Media center up there, does a great job, you know. Yes, I've talked to a lot of students over the years who realize how blessed they are to have her leading the program, too. She's a. Another big part of the reason why it's such a popular program.

[Stu Gotts]

So I'm up here for my daughter's graduation. What do you remember about your graduation, Sean McDonough?

[Sean McDonough]

Remember?

[Stu Gotts]

Yeah.

[Sean McDonough]

Pretty much went straight there for whatever we were doing the night before.

[Stu Gotts]

I'm certain you did.

[Sean McDonough]

Yeah. Yeah, we're pretty sure we did. You know, I remember several things, actually. Shockingly, Dan Rather was the speaker, right? And, you know, he was terrific. And he said several things. I remember, one of which was the most important thing. I'm going to paraphrase this. In life is sincerity. And as soon as you learn how to fake that, you're all set.

[Stu Gotts]

You got so strong in him from a credible news anchor.

[Sean McDonough]

Yeah, exactly. Right. So every time I go up there to that beautiful campus where you are right now, and I speak to broadcasting students, I always say the most important thing in broadcasting is sincerity.

[Taylor]

Right?

[Sean McDonough]

Pause, pause, pause. And as soon as you learn how to fake that, you're all set. And they all look at me like, it's a joke, people. It's a joke. So it's a good one. But I remember the other thing. I remember my dear departed dad, you know, the late, great Will McDonough was a great friend of Al Davis, you know, the legendary football man best known for being the Raiders owner. And when I went to Syracuse, there, he called a great friend of his, Dr. Luke Laporta, who was high up in the development office and said, this kid, Shaw McDonough is going there. You need to take great care of him while he's there. I wasn't on campus for a day. The hall phone rings, some kid knocks on my door, you McDonough? You have a call on the house phone. Like, who's calling me? I don't. Anybody. Sean, this is Luke laporta. I'm a great friend of Al Davis. He told me to take great care of you. Come down and see me as soon as you can. So I went down to see him. And for four years, Luke was, you know, took care of me. And everybody's like my godfather there, including in Graduation when he got my family, including my dad, suite in the Carrier Dome, then the Carrier Dome, now. That jam or something. So Dan Rather at one point said, well, you know, stand up and wave at your parents and salute your parents. And, you know, it's a big dome. So most of my buddies I was sitting with, I don't know where my parents. And I was like, well, I know where my family is because they're in the big shot box that Luke got us right there. Thank you, Al Davis. So I remember that from my commencement as well. That's about it. But congratulations to your daughter.

[Taylor]

Thank you.

[Sean McDonough]

She's had a great experience there, because everybody does. And congratulations to you because you just got about a $90,000 a year raise, I'm guessing.

[CJ Toledano]

Yes.

[Stu Gotts]

I look forward to no longer coming to my email. Yes.

[Sean McDonough]

Yeah, I barely made it through Syracuse financially back then, when it was a lot, you know, less expensive. When we were dodging the dinosaurs on campus on the way to class when they were still roaming the earth. And I wouldn't have gotten through or not for the great help of our late, great football coach, Dick McPherson. But that's a story for another time.

[Stu Gotts]

Okay, I will ask you that story at a different time.

[Sean McDonough]

Yeah.

[Stu Gotts]

I am wondering here. So Tirico's doing the commencement speech. I'm excited for that. I've been telling.

[Sean McDonough]

Good thing he's had a boring year. Nothing's happened.

[Stu Gotts]

Yeah.

[Sean McDonough]

This will be the least exciting, the Olympics. He needed something to kind of liven up his ear a little bit. Right.

[Stu Gotts]

He hasn't had enough. Right.

[Sean McDonough]

He'll do a terrific job. I. I do hope that they have, you know, some sort of large step stool for him to stand on so he can see for the podium. But he will. He will do a fantastic job. Fantastic.

[Stu Gotts]

Is that how it works? So, like, Syracuse, Syracuse alum, Newhouse alumni, they can only make fun of each other. But if, God forbid, Mike Greenber said that about Mike Tirico, there would be a fight. Right.

[Sean McDonough]

It's. You know, when it comes from people from other universities, it's just jealousy, you know?

[Stu Gotts]

All right.

[Sean McDonough]

That's what I was. I say that to Mike out of love. He's a dear friend, but I do love. Like, we all got together up there last fall for the Marty Glickman award ceremony, and it was Mike and Ian Eagle and Marv and Bob Costas. I felt like Wilt Chamberlain. I am five, nine and a quarter, and I tower over that. So there must have been something in the water up there that stunted our growth. But you were grateful to be in a room fraternity that you're really proud. You know, when you get up there and Olivia says to you, you're going to be on a panel with Marv and Bob and I and Eagle, you're like three apples in an orange. Which one of us doesn't belong here? You know, But I'm happy to be included.

[Stu Gotts]

You'll take any room in which you're the tallest person in that room.

[Sean McDonough]

I should say three oranges and an apple, right?

[Stu Gotts]

Yes.

[Sean McDonough]

Yeah.

[Stu Gotts]

Yes. So how long. So I've been texting with Tirico and trying to negotiate a shorter speech.

[Sean McDonough]

There's no chance.

[Stu Gotts]

Okay.

[Sean McDonough]

There's no chance. You've seen the way Mike prepares for everything. Yeah. And I've jabbed him a few times, though. There's one time he was doing the Orange bowl, and I think it was Stanford. Might have been Jim Harbaugh's last game at Stanford. And Condoleezza Rice, you know, faculty member at Stanford, was on the sideline. They showed her. And Mike was doing the game, and he said, there's the 66th Secretary of State of the United States. And I'm like, who knows the number? I mean, we all barely know what number the presidents are.

[Stu Gotts]

And so enough with the details.

[Sean McDonough]

Now you're just showing off like that's a bunch of bs, Right? So he will be very well prepared. And I would not bet on it being brief. It'll be great. It'll be insightful. It'll be interesting. Funny, I'm sure. But I would take the over on brevity.

[Stu Gotts]

Okay. Over 30 minutes. You're sorry?

[Sean McDonough]

Yeah. Wear some comfortable clothing. Well, I don't know. Whatever they told him to be right. I'm sure he'll be right on time because he's probably rehearsed it 10 times to make sure it's right on time.

[Stu Gotts]

Yes.

[Sean McDonough]

I got asked to do one commencement speech. Well, now two. I couldn't do the one right. I was asked to do this year, but I did one for Southern Vermont College. Told me, we'd like you to speak for 20 to 25 minutes. I'm like, no one wants. I don't want to hear myself speak for 20 to 25. So I got into about 15 minutes. And it was on this hillside in Bennington, Vermont. So there were people that. There was a tent, and some people were in the tent, like the president of the school and some other people, but there were a lot of people on the hill Slope. And I couldn't see all of them because they went up the hill. And I'm already thinking in my mind, this speech is too long. I knew I shouldn't have tried to go for 20 minutes, whatever. And all of a sudden I heard, and it was a thunderstorm. That was. People were running down the hill into the tent. And I said, literally, this is God's way of telling me this speech is too long. Good luck. Congratulations. I'm sure you'll all do great. Let's give them their diplomas. Done. So, and then my question to you guys is, you know, I've got the Doctor of Humane Letters. I got all the. Whatever you call the outfit with the hat and the. The tassel and the. The college went out of business, which is probably why I have not been invited to only one other school since. So am I still a Doctor of Humane Letters?

[Stu Gotts]

Wow. For a school that doesn't exist anymore.

[Sean McDonough]

School that. It existed at the time, yes. I mean, God forbid, Harvard went out of business. You'd still be a Harvard grad.

[Stu Gotts]

Right?

[Sean McDonough]

I mean, that's. At least. That's what I'm going to do with.

[Stu Gotts]

It's. Mikey, what do you think? It's a great question. Do you have a rolling here? No.

[Taylor]

They can't take that away from you. You have it.

[Sean McDonough]

It's done.

[Mikey Hayes]

It's yours.

[Stu Gotts]

Yeah, they can't take that away from him.

[Sean McDonough]

The hat. I'm claiming it.

[Stu Gotts]

You're a kiss of death, McDonough.

[Sean McDonough]

I know. I put the school out of business. My. My friend who just invited me to speak at another commencement, which I can't do because it's next weekend and we're going to be in the middle of the hockey playoffs. I said I'm very honored. In the interest of full disclosure, the only school I did this for went out of business. So how's the financial health of your school? You know, could we possibly survive the fact that I'm going to be your commencement speaker and the history is not good?

[Stu Gotts]

Yes, Sean.

[Mikey Hayes]

It's sad to me as a Yankee fan, what's become of the Red Sox? Because I. I missed the rivalry.

[Sean McDonough]

Our.

[Mikey Hayes]

Our executive producer.

[Stu Gotts]

There was no need to say that. I mean, there was no need to

[Sean McDonough]

do that right now. We wouldn't be list listening to this.

[Stu Gotts]

I mean, the man's about to go somewhere with this. I was going somewhere with it.

[Mikey Hayes]

If you let me. If you didn't interrupt me, Stu. Guys.

[Sean McDonough]

Sorry I interrupted you.

[Mikey Hayes]

No, Stu Gotts interrupted me. You just talked. Our Taylor, our executive producer could not root for Roman Anthony during The World Baseball Classic. Like what? He was rooting for Team USA until Roman Anthony got up and then he turned his back. I'm curious your thoughts on that.

[Sean McDonough]

Then he became. He became Mexican, whoever.

[Stu Gotts]

Italian. Yes, But I imagine. I do. I do imagine Red Sox fans maybe did the same thing to Aaron Judge. Like, they wanted USA to win, but they didn't want to hear Judge to be the reason.

[Sean McDonough]

They wanted him to take a fastball off the helmet to get hurt. I don't know. I was cheering for all of them.

[Stu Gotts]

Yes, me, too.

[Sean McDonough]

I'm not allowed to say this, but, you know, I do not wish ill upon the Yankees because I did at least one season of Monday Night Baseball, I think two, with Aaron Boone, who is as decent a human being as I've ever met, doing this. I mean, I've worked with over a hundred people. I think it's 150 different people, analysts, sideline reporter, hosts, whatever, in all these different sports. And Aaron Boone is at the top of the list. I mean, he is a great guy. I think he's a really smart baseball guy. I know Yankee fans like to dump on him, and there's a lot of people who thought he shouldn't be back this year, but, you know, maybe this is their year. But. Yeah. So I don't. I don't wish any ill upon the Yankees because I'm a huge Aaron Boone fan.

[Stu Gotts]

All right.

[Sean McDonough]

We're going to get you John Sterling, by the way.

[Fox Sports Radio Announcer]

Yeah.

[Stu Gotts]

Oh, yes. Yes.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Stu Gotts]

We had Mike Francesa on talking about John Sterling and what he meant to that fan base and just what it's like. Sean, it's incredible the impact you could have, especially on a fan base like yours. They. They love John Sterling. I'm certain Boston fans love you, but did you have any interactions with John Sterling?

[Sean McDonough]

Oh, yeah. Over all these years. You know, he did it for 36 years, and I was around the Red Sox for a lot of those. You know, he was just, you know, I read the word eccentric eccentricities, you know, a lot of the articles and tributes and, you know, that's really true. You know, he was a. He was a real character in a world that is increasingly devoid of characters. And he just always seemed to me to be a guy who was always performing, you know, like he. Even in a conversation, regular conversation, you'd be walking down the hallway in the press box and Fenway or Yankee Stadium, and, you know, it was. He didn't just walk up, hey, how you doing? It was always, hello, Shawnee. You know, that voice. And you know, it was kind of theatrical and, you know, you saw it and all the tributes the last few days. I think everybody who knew John really appreciated him. He had a great heart and, you know, obviously a legendary career. When they start asking out loud, should announcers be in Monument Park? I think that says a lot about the impact that he had.

[Stu Gotts]

We're gonna get you out of here in just a second. I know you have to go golfing.

[Sean McDonough]

Well, I think you're getting the hook. I saw you giving, like, Olivia or somebody.

[Stu Gotts]

Well, no, Olivia is just being patient with me. She's making sure that we're connected to the radio station here, because I had to.

[Sean McDonough]

Oh, well, that's important. Yes, yes, this is important. But you have bigger fish to fry.

[Stu Gotts]

No, no, I don't have bigger fish to fry. This is important, though. The question I'm about to ask you is, what's important? Okay. Mikey knows. We started playing this game around here called One Table. So there's one table in the restaurant, and Tom Brady in his prime walks in, or at any time, it's Tom Brady.

[Sean McDonough]

Okay.

[Stu Gotts]

I'm trying to think of the per. I'm going to go. Oh, Mikey wants me to go, Poppy. I'm gonna go Tom Brady, Larry Bird, they both walk in, one table is left. Who gets the table?

[Sean McDonough]

Now that happened today.

[Stu Gotts]

Yeah, well, yes, today. Today. It's a tough one.

[Sean McDonough]

Yeah, I'd say it's a really tough one.

[Stu Gotts]

Yeah.

[Mikey Hayes]

Tom Brady is kind of.

[Sean McDonough]

I would say, Larry, a little bit

[Isaiah Thomas]

of a.

[Sean McDonough]

I don't begrudge Tom the right to leave or, you know, in some ways, he was kind of shoved out. Right. And go win. I think he proved his point. You know, we're talking about who was the most important person to the Patriot success all this year's Brady, Belichick or Kraft, when he left and went to Tampa Bay and won a Super bowl, like, okay, can we stop having that conversation? You know, and. And the whole Belichick record with Brady without, you know, at a certain point, you know, that's not a coincidence either. So, you know, I think Tom's a great guy. I had the great pleasure of playing a lot of golf with his dad right here.

[Stu Gotts]

Yeah.

[Sean McDonough]

Boston Golf Club, where his dad was a national member and much loved, great guy, Tom Brady Senior. So, you know, I. I think they probably find a table for both of them. They probably say, hey, McDonough, you have to go. Because both of these guys. And I bet they'd sit together, right? Because they're both the kind of guy who probably enjoy the hell out of each other's company and conversation.

[Stu Gotts]

Yes. All right, Sean, we appreciate it. As always, I'll try to keep this place intact for you and try not to ruin anything that you guys have created here because it's a wonderful facility. I don't belong here. I feel ashamed that I'm here.

[Sean McDonough]

Yes, well, clearly you didn't belong there many years ago when you applied and didn't get in.

[Stu Gotts]

But the.

[Sean McDonough]

Thank God your daughter is really sharp and really talented. Not the great things. And. No, it's great to see up there and enjoy it. You know, not only is the Newhouse School awesome and world renowned, but it's a beautiful campus. You know, people think, oh, it's a city school, and it's not a city school. It's up on that hill. We can see the trees behind you. It's. It was a. It's as important as really anything that's ever happened in my life or very close to it, the time that I spent there. And it remains a very special place to me and it always will. I'm glad you're there.

[Stu Gotts]

Yeah. That's awesome. My daughter's had a wonderful four years here. It's been. It's been a great place for me and my family to come visit, so.

[Sean McDonough]

I'm glad to hear that.

[Stu Gotts]

Listen, I get why you guys love it so much. I do. Haven't come here.

[Sean McDonough]

Whenever people ask me, friends of mine say my daughter's considering going to Syracuse. My son, my nephew, whatever. I always say, well, I never know. I never knew anybody who went there and didn't love it. You know, I think we're all really proud of it and have a great time. All right.

[Stu Gotts]

Thank you. You're gonna. Listen, you're gonna have a better time. You're golfing and eating lunch with friends. But. But. So you have a good time.

[Taylor]

Okay.

[Sean McDonough]

Yeah, one last round of golf because I think we're really back into the hockey grind after this. But, you know, we. We get through the second round, then we have a con. Every game of a conference final, every game of the Stanley cup final. So there'll be no more golf probably till the end of June. So we're going to enjoy today.

[Stu Gotts]

You'll be okay. We look forward to all your calls. Thank you, Sean McDonough. We appreciate it. As always.

[Sean McDonough]

My pleasure. Thanks.

[Stu Gotts]

Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.

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[CJ Toledano]

Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without

[Isaiah Thomas]

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[CJ Toledano]

He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luka and Austin Reaves, I gotta manipulate the game.

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[Fox Sports Radio Host]

Steve Nash would get that thing, that man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers while he got the ball. Like after you go through a training camp with that Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Oh, yeah. Get your ass up and down the court and you gonna get the ball.

[Isaiah Thomas]

So listen to Point game on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Diana Maria Riva]

Hey, I'm Diana Maria Riva actress, mother, lover, and a Gen X woman walking through life one hot flash and hormonal, crying jag at a time. You ladies know what I mean. I'll bet you a perimenopausal chin hair you do. So let's talk about it. Join me on my new podcast, How Hard Can It Be? With the Ana Maria Riva, where I call on my Gen X squads from Ohio to Hollywood as we navigate midlife's most fantastic bs. All of a sudden, I'd have hanging ness happening on my own.

[Stu Gotts]

I was like, what the hell is that?

[Taylor]

I was married when I had her, so I didn't even consider how empty that nest was gonna be.

[Diana Maria Riva]

Mood swings, night sweats, fupas, sex drive. Wait, what sex? Dating at 45. How high can it be? Getting naked at 50 with the new guy?

[Sean McDonough]

That one's kind of hard. Well, that's lighting.

[Diana Maria Riva]

They say we can't polish a turd, but we're sure gonna try. So let's get blunt with last laughs, tears or tears of laughter and dive into it unfiltered and unbothered and ask how hard can it be?

[Taylor]

I cannot believe I'm about to say this out loud in public.

[Diana Maria Riva]

Listen to How Hard Can It Be With Diana Maria Riva as part of my Cultura Podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Taylor]

If you missed any of today's show, be sure to catch the podcast. Just search Dugouts and company Live wherever you get your podcast, be sure to follow the podcast, rate it five stars, and provide a review. Again, just search Dugouts and company Live wherever you get your podcast, and you'll find today's full show and a best of version posted right after the show. Also, check out our original podcast, Stugats and company. God bless football. And with Stugots and Hawkman 877 for the herd.

[Stu Gotts]

That is 8, 7, 7 for the herd. Colin has his own phone number. I don't think he.

[Mikey Hayes]

I'm jealous. I don't think he takes calls, though.

[Stu Gotts]

Does he have no. I want to try and take some calls. 8 says, what's the point of having the line 8, 7, 7 for the herd? That is 8, 7, 7 for the Herd. I'm wondering what our customized phone number would be if we had one. But eight, seven, seven for the Herd Taylor has a top five I want to get to in just a second and we realize. Thank you to Sean McDonough, by the way, for joining us. Jeff Passon is going to Join us later on in the show. Taylor does have a top five we'll get to in just a second. I know the audience here is going to miss college. Is he? And perhaps they. They might reject us, and I don't care, but we realize that. Listen, it's only a day you miss your guy, but we have your guy for you in the form of AI AI Colin. So let's get his prediction on a big game three Nixon Sixers tonight.

[Fox Sports Radio Announcer]

Philadelphia wins tonight, and it's simple home crowd desperation. And the Knicks best wing stopper being questionable is a real swing. If OG Anunoby can't go, Jalen Brunson's got to carry more two way load. And that's where Tyrese Maxey starts living in the paint and getting to the line. I've got the Sixers in a grinder something like 106 to 101, because down two, zip. You don't play pretty, you play urgent. That's the spot. That's the game.

[Stu Gotts]

Yep, he's right. I mean, they're desperate. How do you feel about that, Taylor? I mean, you're a big Knicks fan. How do you feel about that? I reject it. I say the Knicks win this thing and they win it in four. How about that?

[Mikey Hayes]

Yeah, I have the Knicks winning this one, but, man, AI calling is good.

[Stu Gotts]

You have the gentleman sweep. You have the Knicks in five, don't you?

[Mikey Hayes]

Yeah, yeah, I. I think Philly gets. Gets game four.

[Taylor]

What does that matter to you about Joel Embiid?

[Mikey Hayes]

Me, personally?

[Stu Gotts]

No, no.

[Mikey Hayes]

I feel better if Joel Embiid plays, if we're being honest.

[Stu Gotts]

Really? So you think the Sixers are better without Joel Embiid? They were down 31 to the Celtics and came back and won that series when Embiid came back.

[Mikey Hayes]

Yeah, but you're looking at that Celtics roster, you notice who they don't have. Jalen Brunson.

[Taylor]

Honestly, there's probably a bunch of listeners right now that think I believe that the Sixers will be better without Joel Embiid. Because there was a promo that ran and it cut my part off right at the end of that sentence. No more context. So now anybody who was listening thinks Israel Gutierrez thinks the Sixers are better without Joel Embiid.

[Stu Gotts]

They'll do that to you, Izzy. I mean, that's what radio is all about, the way I heard. Is it, Mikey? All right. Taylor has the top five. I'm very excited for this. I have no idea what it's around. So, Taylor, the floor is yours. A top five list here. From Taylor, who's sitting in the VIP room with boredot Ricardo, who's watching baseball. Go ahead, Taylor.

[Mikey Hayes]

Yeah. So as a big Knicks fan, my Knicks off nights are dominated by what my girlfriend wants to do. So we went to see Devil Wears Prada 2.

[Taylor]

Finally.

[Sean McDonough]

Wow.

[Taylor]

Been out for a week, you know,

[Mikey Hayes]

and yeah, while my girlfriend was enjoying the movie, I was making a top five people in sports if they were named after a designer brand.

[Stu Gotts]

Rude.

[Taylor]

You're on your phone in the movie theater.

[Sean McDonough]

Rude.

[Mikey Hayes]

Yeah. Last round.

[Stu Gotts]

Wait a second. So how do you, how do you pass this with the girlfriend? Are you like, are you giving off that? You're paying attention to the movie, but really what you're doing is thinking of a top five list.

[Taylor]

How does that work?

[Mikey Hayes]

I mean, so I'll hear like a brand during the movie and then once the brand gets mentioned, I was pulling out my phone and be like. Because, Stu, you know, sometimes if you, if you say you're gonna write something down later on, you'll forget it. You almost just have to take that phone out right away and write it down.

[Stu Gotts]

I write it all down. Even the phone number. Eight, seven. Seven for the herd. You're right about that. All right, so let's, let's hear this top five. Izzy, you haven't seen Devil Wears Prada 2. You haven't seen it yet?

[Taylor]

No, I saw it. I talked about it.

[Stu Gotts]

Oh, you did? I forgot.

[Sean McDonough]

Yeah.

[Mikey Hayes]

Do you have to see one to understand two?

[Stu Gotts]

Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, definitely interested in either, right? All right, so go ahead, Taylor.

[Mikey Hayes]

So top five people in sports if they were named after a designer brand. Middle infielder, utility player, Martin Prado. Martin Prado.

[Taylor]

He messed it up right off the bat. Also, if you have to say their position and what sport they play in, maybe not the best choice.

[Stu Gotts]

Izzy, I have a question for you. Is Taylor nervous because he's in the herd? Because I have lived in the herd for 20 years. I'm okay with this.

[Taylor]

What happens is Taylor's from New York, lot of rip off, you know, brand names, and he's probably bought a couple of prados in his life instead of Prado, and it's just what he's used to.

[Stu Gotts]

I have purchased several Rolexes in my life.

[Taylor]

Yeah, the knockoff culture is crazy.

[Mikey Hayes]

The problem is I didn't have the utility thing written and I started to improvise. I shouldn't improvise. Just stick to the list.

[Stu Gotts]

Stick to the list. Oli is outside looking in. By the way. He hasn't gotten to his top five yet. Keep going.

[Mikey Hayes]

Taylor Oli. John. Gucci grass. Nice.

[Taylor]

Nice recovery there.

[Stu Gotts]

Gucci, Gucci.

[Fox Sports Radio Host]

Oli.

[Mikey Hayes]

Versacerito.

[Stu Gotts]

These are all Olis. My God.

[Taylor]

Him I would have taken a sport in position.

[Mikey Hayes]

Actually, number five, Dior Milner.

[Stu Gotts]

I like some of the Olis better than that one.

[Mikey Hayes]

I mean number four, Vince Cartier.

[Taylor]

Cartier, Cartier.

[Stu Gotts]

Tomato, tomato.

[Taylor]

See, now I know why you didn't love Devil Wears Prada. You're not all about the high fashion, are you?

[Mikey Hayes]

Number three, Louis Vuitton Mattingly.

[Stu Gotts]

He's got manager of the year.

[Sean McDonough]

Yeah.

[Stu Gotts]

Sorry. Say it again. I'm sorry. We're in different places, people. Bear with us. I'm in Syracuse, there in Miami. And Mikey Hayes up in Connecticut. Say that punchline again.

[Mikey Hayes]

Batani baseball.

[Stu Gotts]

Ladani baseball. Going to win manager of the year. Go ahead.

[Mikey Hayes]

Number two, Fendi Chavez.

[Stu Gotts]

That's very good.

[Taylor]

Name of sport and position, Andy Chavez.

[Mikey Hayes]

And number one, Chanel Syn Cruise.

[Taylor]

Coco Chanel Cruz.

[Stu Gotts]

Eight, seven, seven for the Herd. We're in the Herd.

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[Diana Maria Riva]

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[Stu Gotts]

Oh, no.

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[Taylor]

Me to a human, him to a boy.

[Diana Maria Riva]

Yeah, the bird looks out of your league.

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[Diana Maria Riva]

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[Mikey Day]

Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy not quite on Humor Me with Robert Smigel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week. My guests, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an acapella band with their between songs banter.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Where does your group perform?

[Stu Gotts]

We do some retirement homes.

[Mikey Day]

Those people are starving for banter. Listen to Humor Me with Robert Smigel and friends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[CJ Toledano]

What's up, fam?

[Isaiah Thomas]

It's Isaiah Thomas and I'm CJ Toledano. It's our favorite time of the year on our podcast, Point Game, the Playoffs.

[CJ Toledano]

We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season and I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments. If we didn't talk ever again, I was firm.

[Isaiah Thomas]

You just understood. Understood.

[CJ Toledano]

That's how personal it gets wow. Then after that game seven, Marquis coming to you, he's like, you know, I love you, dog. You know, it's all love. This was just playoffs. This was just basketball.

[Isaiah Thomas]

So listen to point game on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Podcast Announcer]

Will Ferrell's big Money players and iHeart podcast presents soccer moms.

[Stu Gotts]

So, I'm Leigh Ann.

[Diana Maria Riva]

Yeah.

[Sean McDonough]

This is my best friend, Janet.

[Diana Maria Riva]

Hey.

[Stu Gotts]

And we have been joined at the hip since high school.

[Sean McDonough]

Absolutely.

[Stu Gotts]

A redaction amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger hips. This is a podcast.

[Sean McDonough]

We're recording it as we tailgate our

[Stu Gotts]

youth soccer games in the back of

[Podcast Announcer]

my Honda Odyssey with all the snacks and drinks.

[Stu Gotts]

Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Well, they had a bogo.

[Taylor]

Well, then you got em.

[Podcast Announcer]

Listen to soccer moms on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart podcast.

[Sean McDonough]

Guaranteed Human.