THE HERD - Hour 1 - Jalen Hurts is mostly to blame, Caleb Williams and the Bears should be fine, Dodgers still spending

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd

Episode: THE HERD - Hour 1 - Jalen Hurts is mostly to blame, Caleb Williams and the Bears should be fine, Dodgers still spending
Date: December 10, 2025

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Overview

In this hour, Colin Cowherd delivers strong, fact-driven takes on current sports storylines including the struggles of Jalen Hurts and the Eagles, optimism about Caleb Williams and the Chicago Bears, and the Los Angeles Dodgers' model of franchise management and spending. The episode also covers NFL quarterback dynamics, college football’s NIL revolution, the Chiefs' evolving roster, and debates about upward mobility for coaches and quarterbacks.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jalen Hurts’ Limitations and the Eagles’ Slump

• [03:47]–[09:00]

• Colin opens with a hard stance: Jalen Hurts’ small stature and growing limitations as a passer are hurting the Philadelphia Eagles during their losing streak. He cites Nick Sirianni's public backing of Hurts but then pivots to assert that, statistically, the more Hurts throws, the worse the Eagles perform.

• Quarterback Height Matters:
  Colin highlights that nearly all division-leading or MVP-level QBs are 6’3” or taller:

  “I'm 6'2. I can't be taller than your franchise quarterback.” (Colin, [05:45])

• Durability & Size:
  Jalen Hurts, Tua Tagovailoa, Kyler Murray, and Brock Purdy are cited as examples of smaller QBs who struggle to stay healthy or effective late in seasons.

• Offensive lines are massive, creating visibility and leverage disadvantages for shorter quarterbacks.

• Comparison to Justin Herbert:
  Herbert, notably larger and physically robust, has taken more hits yet sustained his caliber and team record.

  “Justin Herbert…closer to 6’7” than 6’6”... been hit 106 times, has a broken hand, no run game—and his team is 9-4.” (Colin, [07:03])

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2. Caleb Williams, Completion Percentage & The Rookie Contract Window

• [09:00]–[12:48]

• Colin transitions to a conversation with an NFL GM about Caleb Williams’ sub-60% completion percentage.

• Argues that Josh Allen had similar struggles early; his current improvement is more about targeting tight ends and throwing shorter passes, not just newfound accuracy.

• Rookie Contract Advantage:

  “When you’re on your rookie contract, have an offensive coach and are really, really above average in athleticism… you’re allowed to be [uneven].” (Colin, [11:34])

• Both Caleb Williams and Bo Nix are winning because their teams are stacked—large cap space means better supporting casts due to low rookie QB salaries.

• Quote from RG3 on Caleb Williams:

  “Accuracy is a myth. Accuracy to me is always dependent upon where the defense is and what you’re trying to get the receiver to do.” ([12:48])

• Colin stresses that risk-taking and upside matter more than pedestrian completion rates, especially in a league with high roster turnover and limited QB availability.

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3. Dodgers: Excellence Beyond Payroll

• [14:09]–[22:31]
• Colin makes the case that the Dodgers are the best-run franchise in any North American sport, outpacing rivals not just with money, but with scouting, R&D, and forward-thinking strategy.
• Comparing Sports and Media:
  Emphasizes the importance of having dynasties (“Mission Impossible, Avengers”) in a content-saturated world—parity doesn’t move the needle in distracted markets.

  “Parody doesn’t cut through…you gotta go Mission Impossible, you gotta go Avengers.” (Colin, [20:08])

• The Dodgers “force you to pick a side;” they are never boring, which is vital in modern sports media.

  “What’s boring is Oklahoma City, a personality-less team in a parity-driven, new-champ-every-year sport nobody’s watching.” (Colin, [20:45])

• Colin draws parallels to college football, where consolidation of power is driving ratings up, even as tradition-bound conferences dissolve or merge.

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4. NFL Notes: Chiefs’ Troubles & Player Declines

• [23:54]–[27:15]
• Jason McIntyre joins to discuss the Chiefs’ playoff risk, Travis Kelce's age showing, and the team’s vanished offensive spark.

  “[Kelce] continues to look—listen, we said maybe he’s washed. That was an awful game, an awful ending, and Taylor Swift was there to see it.” (J. McIntyre, [24:21])

• Colin contextualizes Kelce’s decline: earlier in-season numbers were boosted by weakened supporting cast; cumulative wear and cold-weather injuries take their toll.

  “Older players can be very effective early. But this sport wears you down…he’s first, second or third best tight end I’ve ever watched.” (Colin, [25:48])

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5. Coaching Carousel: Should Marcus Freeman Jump to the NFL?

• [31:02]–[35:44]
• Colin contemplates Marcus Freeman’s rumored NFL prospects, highlighting the growing appeal—and better aging process—of top college coaching jobs.

  “College jobs now pay about 80–90% of NFL jobs…you get to control the personnel…” (Colin, [32:18])

• College coaches are happier, look younger, and enjoy better job security compared to their NFL peers battered by owner volatility.
• Notre Dame AD commits to keeping Freeman well-compensated and valued.

  “Everybody has eyes on Marcus. College has eyes on Marcus. NFL has eyes on Marcus. I bet Hollywood has eyes on Marcus…” (ND AD, [34:34])

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6. Quarterback Draft Trends & the Value of Coaching

• [41:14]–[51:35]

• Discussion on the QB draft market, including Shadour Sanders' NFL case and the Fernando Mendoza phenomenon: supply cannot keep up with demand for starting QBs.

• NIL and college salaries give young QBs reason to stay in school longer.

• Debate on trading up for quarterbacks: success is tied less to pick order, more to coaching quality.

  “When does it work?…If you have a really smart coach that can get the most out of a young player, trading up works.” (Colin, [51:31])

• Positive spin on NIL and transfer portal: rather than ruining college football, they have democratized talent and increased ratings.

  “For all you the world is ending—the nil and transfer portal, I’d argue saved college football.” (Colin, [45:19])

• Ed Orgeron’s take:

  “Back then we used to walk through the back door [with cash]. Now we just gotta walk through the front door.” (Ed Orgeron via Colin, [49:03])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Jalen Hurts's Limitations:

  “The more Jalen Hurts throws, the worse Philadelphia is. Those are the facts.” — Colin Cowherd [04:47]

• On QB Size and Durability:

  “I'm 6'2. I can't be taller than your franchise quarterback.” — Colin Cowherd [05:45]

• On Accurate Passing vs. Risk-taking for Young QBs:

  “Accuracy is a myth…he is willing to take more chances to have big plays occur…” — RG3, via Colin Cowherd [12:48]

• On the Dodger’s Winning Model and Sports Media:

  “You gotta go Mission Impossible. You gotta go Avengers…They [the Dodgers] force you to pick a side.” — Colin Cowherd [20:08]

• On College vs NFL Coaching Lifestyles:

  “College coaches are happier, they age better. You ever see somebody, it’s 70 years old and they look great? They never are angry.” — Colin Cowherd [34:19]

• On NIL and Transparency in College Sports:

  “Back then we used to walk through the back door of the cash…Now we just got to walk through the front door.” — Ed Orgeron, via Colin Cowherd [49:03]

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Timestamps to Key Segments

• [03:47] — Jalen Hurts and QB Size Debate
• [09:00] — Caleb Williams, Josh Allen, Rookie Contract Window
• [14:09] — Dodgers, Sports Parity, and Franchise Models
• [23:54] — Chiefs, Travis Kelce’s Age and Offense
• [31:02] — Marcus Freeman: Stay or Go?
• [41:14] — QB Draft Trends & NIL
• [45:19] — NIL and College Football’s Changing Landscape
• [49:03] — Ed Orgeron on NIL, Transparency

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Tone and Style

Colin maintains a signature tone: fact-forward, lightly provocative, with industry anecdotes and a penchant for connecting sports trends to culture and media shifts.

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Summary

The episode is a brisk, blunt examination of current NFL and college football storylines, weaving together player analysis, franchise strategy, and macro sports business trends. Colin mixes statistical arguments with narrative hooks, broadening his analysis to include cultural and media-savvy takes—always drawing back to the central thesis that, in sports, size, savvy management, and adaptability to change are what define winning organizations and careers.

Transcript

[Colin Cowherd]

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Season's greetings from Fox Sports Live in la. It's the Hurt. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening, whatever platform, thanks for making us part of your day. There are some things that are absolutely true. It just takes a while to prove them and people will push back. But some things definitively, they're obvious. But we're not comfortable just saying something that is definitively proof over time, absolutely factual. The NFL is a big man's game. So Nick Ceriani is the coach of the Philadelphia Eagles. They're in a losing streak and Jalen Hurts is struggling. And Nick Sariani on WIP radio in Philadelphia was asked about replacing him.

Is there a possibility later this season, if he continues to struggle, that you can make a change at the quarterback spot? No, I think that's ridiculous. You know, I think, you know, Jalen Hurts. I know every time I go out in that field with Jalen Hurts as our quarterback, we have a chance to win the game. And that's, you know, that's, that's something that's been proven every time I walk on that field. And Jalen Hurts is the starting quarterback. I have so much confidence that we can win every game and in any game that we play and that we're in yeah, except for the last three or four, which you keep losing. The truth is, the more Jalen Hurts throws, the worse Philadelphia is. Those are the facts. If he throws over 30 times, they're not very good. So I'm going to give you a list of current quarterbacks in the NFL that lead their division or are leading in the MVP race, or their name is Joe Burrow. Here's their heights. You can put up the graphic for our TV audience. 6 6, 6, 6, 6 5, 646 4, 6 4, 6 3. 636 3. I'm 6 2. I can't be taller than your franchise quarterback. These are the first place quarterbacks or Joe Burrow. And Josh Allen probably wins MVP, certainly deserves it. In the last 20 years, there have been two Super bowl champion quarterbacks that we've all sort of gone, whoa, that's surprising. Nick Foles, 65 and Joe Flacco, 6 6. Have you noticed how quickly the smaller quarterbacks age? Tua beat up Kyler Murray, hurt a lot. Brock Purdy, banged up a lot. Jaylen Hurts on a losing streak.

Dylan Gabriel, benched. Bryce Young, been banged up. And it's not just the size. As we show you a picture of Jalen Hurts from the camera, look how small he looks. He's smart, he's athletic, he's tough, he's tiny. It's not just the size and the length of the quarterback. It's the length of the season. It's now 17 games. NFL defensive players are bigger, stronger, faster. The hits hurt more. They're more punitive. 17 regular season games, four playoff games. I'll give you an example. Justin Herbert this year. Justin Herbert went to dinner last night with the GM of the Chargers. Justin Herbert is, they say, closer to six, seven than six, six. He's a large man. He's been hit 106 times. He currently has a broken hand and no run game. And yet his team is nine and four. Meanwhile, Tua, when he's hit just seven times in a game, they came out of the same draft class. When Tua is just hit seven times a game, he's one in six. Jalen Hurts is small. People have tried to convince me height doesn't matter. Go look at our graphic again of first place quarterbacks in the NFL.

Josh Allen's going to win MVP and a guy named Joe Burrow, who, there's an argument, is the best pure thrower in the Sport. And he's 6 4.

Yeah, part of the Jalen Hurts thing. I love how we showed you that video. We Showed you that video of Jalen hurts throwing the ball behind the massive Eagles O line. The problem is all O lines are massive. Average size six, five and a half to six, six and a half. Look for yourself. It's cluttered, it's hard to see. Well, what about Baker Mayfield? Smaller than I'd like. Throws a lot of picks. Some of them, in my opinion, over compensation. Emotionally over compensation. Physically trying to make plays his body, his arm and his vision can't.

So I was talking to that GM last night about Caleb Williams. Not going to get into details, but we got into this discussion last night. What in the world do you do with a quarterback that is completing 58% of his throws? Will he ever get better? Well, here's what's interesting. If you look at the Bears quarterback Caleb Williams second year stats this year stats, they're identical to Josh Allen's second year stats in Buffalo. Identical. Both completing 58% of their throws with about 20 touchdowns. Not that many picks and they're winning a lot. But Josh Allen has moved to 70% this year in completion percentage.

One of my beliefs, because he's throwing to the tight ends more easier throws. Their receiving group in Buffalo stinks, so he's not throwing the ball down the field as much. His completion percentage hasn't risen dramatically just because he's more accurate. No, Josh throws to the tight ends more. Those are shorter, easier throws. The truth is, I don't think completion percentage matters as much as a if you're wildly athletic like Caleb, Bo Nix is really athletic. Josh Allen or you're on your rookie contract. Well, why would that matter? Because Denver in Chicago, Bo Nixon, Caleb have great rosters. Everybody's talking about Ben Johnson, everybody's talking about Caleb Williams. What's not being discussed is how stacked the Bears roster is because they're not paying Caleb anything. They have the number three offensive line of 32 teams. The Bears do. And two of their guys, Drew Dahlman and Joe Tuney are top 10. They're number one in takeaways with two Pro Bowlers, Kevin Bayard and Jalen Johnson.

Montalev Sweat, eight and a half sacks, top 12 in the NFL. They're number two in rushing, two excellent backs and a multitude of really good receivers and tight ends. Lost in the conversation with Bo Nixon, Caleb, the Broncos and the Bears rosters with two brilliant offensive coaches are loaded. So generally in life, the more money you make, the more mistakes you can make with money in the NFL. The less money you make as a quarterback, the less perfect you have to be Now Caleb's great on third down. Bo Nicks is great in the fourth quarter but they're wildly uneven. You're allowed to be.

When you're on your rookie contract, have an offensive coach and are really, really above average in athleticism. So Caleb Williams on third down is outstanding and he's obviously coachable, durable and athletic. I'm good with that. Now he's going to win a lot of games and so is Bo Nicks until perhaps they get the big contract. But everybody looks at Josh Allen and goes oh he's so accurate now. Do you think it's a coincidence he has his worst receiving core. He's throwing more underneath and more often the tight ends. Josh Allen is still all about power, horsepower, running, leaping over people. We don't think Josh Allen hyper accurate. We, we think of the dynamic athleticism. So I think Caleb Bo Nicks athleticism to some degree on your rookie contract trumps all the accuracy. I mean ask yourself what Bo and Caleb have done this year. Look at their records. What are they? 20 and 6.

And neither one's terribly accurate. It tells you how good the coaches and the rosters are, what you get away with when you're not paying the quarterback anything.

This is what RG3 about a week ago said about Caleb Williams completion percentage. Accuracy is a myth. All right. Accuracy to me is always dependent upon where the defense is and what you're trying to get the receiver to do. So where I think his 61 completion percentage comes from is more so the fact that he is willing to take more chances to have big plays occur which drives down his completion percentage. Do you want a guy that's going to be a check down Charlie? Do you want a guy that is not going to take those risks deep down the field because he's afraid to make mistakes? I don't think that's who Caleb Williams is. We also have a topic today and I have said this that I believe the Los Angeles Dodgers are not only the best run sports operation in North America, Canada, US all sports and when you're really smart and well run you are planning years ahead. So there's a lot of fear in baseball right now that the Dodgers are pulling away back to back champs just signed Edwin Diaz, the best closer in baseball arguably and they may sign over the next two days the two time Cy Young winner out of Detroit.

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So this freaks everybody out. But I think and I I'll back this and I've said it as J Mac as my witness, the Dodgers are the best run organization I've ever seen in any sport, certainly now and maybe ever. Research and development. They don't miss on free agents. They get the right guys. The way they stagger their pitchers ready for the postseason, how they solve problems. It's not just money. They do not spend the highest percentage of their revenue on their payroll. Mets actually do and they stink. So there's a story today after signing Edwin Diaz from the Mets, a great closer they may go after and they may announce they've signed the Tigers left handed ace Tarik Skubal, two time Cy young winner. Great, great pitcher to go with Yoshi who looked like last year the best pitcher in baseball. So what the Dodgers understand is what the NBA doesn't.

Sports leagues now are competing against succession and Instagram and Stranger Things and TikTok and Game of Thrones.

It's broader and wider than ever for the audience the options are everywhere. Parody doesn't cut through. You see the ratings last year for the World Series. Even with a Canadian team, the best in a decade. The Dodgers understand in a highly distracted market Los Angeles and a very distracted, frenetic caffeinated world. You gotta go Mission Impossible. You gotta go Avengers. They've learned from Hollywood, they really have. They've tapped into what Hollywood figured out. Independent films isn't the answer now some dynasties are boring. Bama football where the coach was more interesting than the players and Tim Duncan spurs but George Steinbrenner, Jeters, Yankees were not boring. Shaq and Kobe not boring. And the Dodgers aren't boring. What's boring is Oklahoma City a personality list team in a parody driven new champ every year sport nobody's watching by the way, the UFC who I've supported for years, they need another Conor McGregor. It's a lot of really good guys. They need a superstar. There's too many options, there's too many platforms, there's too many great shows, big wins, Mission Impossible, Ohtani to the Dodgers. The NBA has caught up on this. Let's be fair. No, go look at the wall. Go look at Wall Street. Seven companies run the Dow. Used to be Google and Microsoft, now it's Nvidia.

It's all the AI companies, trillion dollar companies. It's happening. It is a wider, wider world. Go look at college football.

We blew up the PAC 12, but we took their two most interesting programs, USC and Oregon and put them in a massively popular Big Ten. We took the SEC in a very uninteresting conference, the Big 12. But we took the two most interesting teams, Texas and Oklahoma and put them into the great SEC. And college football increasingly is a two mega power conference sport. Big 10, SEC and the ratings are through the roof.

Oh, the PAC 12 is going to what? Disband? Go away? And the sports ratings increase. So college football. Fox and ESPN said we're not going to let you guys run the sport anymore. We're going to initiate a lot of these moves. Usc, Oregon, join the Big Ten, Texas, Oklahoma, get into the sec. Now it feels like the NFL run by two major conferences. So the thing about the Dodgers is you can pick a side, you can root for them, you can root against them. Outside Oklahoma City, nobody has a strong opinion on okc. So I this is why I like the Dodgers. It's not just they're good at drafting, scouting, free agency. Yes, they've got money, so do the Mets. Yes, they've got money, so do the Nationals. Go look at their owner. They understand on a marketing level, they're doing a mission impossible. They get it not just in distracted la, but in a distracted platform, heavy planet. So go for it. I'm in. I'm watching. And the ratings tell us you are, too. You pick a side with the Dodgers, love them or hate them, but you're forced to take one. You're never indifferent. J Mac with the news. No, no, no, Turn on the news. This is the Herd line news.

[Jason McIntyre]

That was your best take of the week. Now for my best take of the year, the Kansas City Chiefs, who are on the fringe of missing the playoffs. Colin, it's close. It's very close. They can be mathematically eliminated this weekend with a loss to the Chargers. And if the Bills, Jags and Texans win, Bills have a tough one against the Patriots, so I don't know if they'll be eliminated. Travis Kelce continues to look, listen, we said maybe he's washed. That was an awful game, an awful ending, and Taylor Swift was there to see it.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know, it's interesting, Jason, there are a lot of defenders saying, well, look at his numbers. They're actually kind of good. But remember this, who wasn't available for the first six weeks? Rashee Rice, Xavier Worthy in and out of the lineup. They have no run game. So early in the season, it was like he was the guy to throw to, right? So on any normal, if you would have put in with Puku and Devonte Adams and Kyron Williams and Matt Staff, the numbers wouldn't be what they are. People are looking at his overall numbers that they're not contextualizing is he was for the first six weeks, dire for.

[Jason McIntyre]

Their offense, by the way, six weeks coming off an offseason where he was rested. Now we're 14 weeks in. He's looking slow. I mean, he's lumbering around like, I don't want to bash the guy, but anyways, here he is talking about his frustration in the NFL.

[Colin Cowherd]

I don't know. Discipline. I feel like I've always had the answers in years past and this year, it's just. I just can't find them. And I keep thinking if I show up to work and I put in the work and I fix the issues.

Through my practice habits and through. Through perfecting the game plan and my fundamentals and what I'm being taught and go out there and try and play my ass off for my guys next to me, it's. It's all gonna come together like it has in years past. And this year's just not. Man.

[Jason McIntyre]

It'S okay to say it. He's. He's old and not as effective as he was. But it's not just Travis Kelsey. He's not even like a top three problem on the team.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, and I think. I think you nail it. I think older players can be very effective early. But this sport wears you down. I mean, first of all, we all feel a little worse when it's cold, right? You're getting hit. It's multiple games, eight surgeries. So he's had an unbelievable career. He's first, second or third best tight end I've ever watched. Yeah, easy. Got a root for love. The Chiefs love everything they're about. But when people throw out the numbers and the production first six weeks, no Rasheed Rice Worthy's in and out of the lineup. They can't run the ball. A lot of that stuff has not been contextual.

[Jason McIntyre]

We thought Rice would be a number one. He's not a number one. He's not. He's a good receiver. I'm seeing reports. Hey, they need to go get a boundary receiver. They really. Now we're starting to miss Tyreek Hill. Can they go get Brandon Aiyuk? Could do they go get. Hey, let's get Pickens. If the Cowboys don't want to keep him. I don't know, man. I saw a number. They are 42 million over the cap. Next year, this team is going to look so different, Colin. They're going to have to move off guys. They have no offensive linemen that are good on the. On the tackles. I don't know, man. Your thoughts on Chargers, Chiefs? Chiefs are four and a half point favorites.

[Colin Cowherd]

Somehow I like the Chargers. I mean, I. To me, the Chargers right now are doing it with a little grit and guile. But they do have playmakers. A Trey Harris.

[Jason McIntyre]

By the way, if McDuffie's out, that is devastating.

[Colin Cowherd]

Johnson, Ladd, McConkey, Hampton, Herbert. I just feel like they've Got more juice offensively when you watch the Chiefs play. That old line has unraveled everything on offense. Yeah, it's. It's bad.

[Jason McIntyre]

All right, let's move to a nicer story, and that's a Pittsburgh Steelers Mike Tomlin big win last week over the Ravens, thanks to the refs. But it's funny. Tomlin, you know, he's a quote machine. And you got Big Ben and company taking some jabs at Tomlin. Well, Mike Tomlin was asked about how he feels regarding job security. Here's what the quote machine had to say.

[Colin Cowherd]

Man, I've been in the hot seat for 19 years. I always feel like I got something to prove. Not necessarily, necessarily to anyone in particular, but that's just the spirit in which I go about what I do professionally. Man, I expect him to show up. Man, it's Monday Night Football in aca. Sure. It's going to be a big game. I'll tell you. Smart. He's got a little smile, though.

[Jason McIntyre]

Well, they got a place.

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[Jason McIntyre]

I mean, that's a major exhale. We're not talking about Tomlin going to the TV booths or if he's going to coach Penn State. None of that stuff. It's all done. They're locked in.

[Colin Cowherd]

Tomlin gets offended when you suggest television or the college game. He'd be unbelievable on tv. He'd be a total rock star on tv. He's a health machine. He's the greatest quote ever for head coach.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

I mean, he literally talks in TV sound bites. Nine seconds. It's like you could write his stuff, put an exclamation point. He's the best sound bite ever.

[Jason McIntyre]

Let's be real. If the Steelers decided we're moving off him, the jets probably would fire their coach to go after him. You know, the Titans would just be. Please come here. Any opening. He's the number one candidate, right over Dable. Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I don't think it's a criticism of Tomlin to say I think he needs. I think Mike Tomlin's value in, like, stabilizing Miami. Yeah. Is unbelievable.

[Jason McIntyre]

By the way they play Miami. Interesting game.

Dolphins are sneaky in the playoff hunt. Like, barely.

[Colin Cowherd]

That's crazy.

[Jason McIntyre]

I don't.

[Colin Cowherd]

They're the same record as the Chiefs.

[Jason McIntyre]

The. The primetime games this week are not great. Tampa, Falcons games.

[Colin Cowherd]

Fox has a couple.

[Jason McIntyre]

Well, during the core window on Sunday. Yes. I don't know. Steelers, Dolphins. I don't have a side here. You got anything or.

[Colin Cowherd]

No, no, no. The. I think they're I think this is a good. I had a winning week. Do you have a winning week? Yeah, I think it's a good week for numbers. This is a good betting week.

[Jason McIntyre]

A couple games that stand out for sure.

[Colin Cowherd]

We haven't said that in about five or six weeks. It is a good betting week.

[Jason McIntyre]

Well, this final story. I love this game. The Packers, Broncos. Colin Green Bay is back. Okay. They had some, you know, they lost to the Panthers. It was brutal, but they've won four straight, including that win over your Bears, first in the NFC North. Interestingly, Jordan Love said one of the keys to their success has been finding explosive plays. Enter Christian Watson. How good does he look? Christian Watson on a heater. Last four games, five touchdowns, 17.

[Colin Cowherd]

I love Jordan Love. Loves the deep ball.

[Jason McIntyre]

You can't guard Watson one on one. I'm sorry. He's faster and bigger than everyone. Colin, Interesting. They're favored in this game. Denver's won 10 in a row. Denver's at home and Green Bay's favored. We're seeing that in two. The Patriots have also won 10 in a row.

[Colin Cowherd]

And Buffalo, they're at home and Buffalo's favorite.

[Jason McIntyre]

So that should tell you guys something. I love this game. I don't want to give away all my picks. Jordan Love is on fire with the deep ball.

[Colin Cowherd]

Now.

[Jason McIntyre]

Are the Broncos going to blitz him and leave Patrick Turtan and company on islands?

[Colin Cowherd]

Listen, what you know, we thought Tucker Kraft getting hurt for the year. You're like a bummer. Once Watson comes back once all.

[Jason McIntyre]

Jaden Reed's back. By the way, he played last week, sparingly.

[Colin Cowherd]

Last week. Bo Melton had a touchdown.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, he played a little more than golden did. Golden, the young kid from Texas. Do you have anything on your Broncos and Bo Nicks?

[Colin Cowherd]

I think every. Every week there's a game I just want to watch. This is a great game.

[Jason McIntyre]

Interesting boat. Bo Nicks could be in some trouble here.

[Colin Cowherd]

It could be Micah Parsons. Could be J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the Herd. As much as I've been critical of Notre Dame over the last couple of days, I do think there's an argument that the greatest young coach, pro or college, is Marcus Freeman. And so Marcus Freeman is getting a lot of interest in professional football. Brian Kelly was a good coach. He had his agent call NFL teams years ago. They weren't interested.

And Marcus Freeman is facing a dilemma a lot of really super talented people do. Do you stay at your really, really, really good job or do you take A big swing at the highest level of your profession. You're a wildly popular stockbroker in Minneapolis, or do you move to New York?

Here's the thing. He can stay at Notre Dame forever and be successful because he has great energy, he's a great recruiter. In the last four seasons, they've got the six most wins, the fourth most points, and he's a defensive guy, so he could stay there forever. And in the NFL, so there's guarantees for him in college. There's no guarantees in the NFL. You know, there's three reasons why I believe Marcus Freeman, and he's going to get, you know, the Giants job. There's a lot of Marcus Freeman talk. Here's the three reasons I would stay in college. Number one is college jobs now pay about 80 to 90% of NFL jobs. Okay? And, and I like that because you get to control the personnel and you're making the same money for years and years. It was like, yeah, I control personnel, but I make half a Bella check. So the money now is close. Number two is NFL owners have all become multi billionaires. They become crazier and more impulsive. I mean, Tennessee actually fired Mike Frable. And I'm not saying donors aren't a little bit of a pain in the butt, but they're not. They don't have control if you're winning. Owners have control when you're winning.

The other thing that needs to be talked about is that start looking. And I, I know this is a bit about vanity, but start looking at old NFL coaches. They look beat up, weathered and tired. Mario Cristobal, 55 years old on my show last week, gun show in a T shirt, being Dabo Sweeney's. 56, doesn't look 56. Nick Saban, 74, youthful looks, 56. Look around. Sark, 51, Kiffin, 50. They don't look their age because you're around young people and you're improving lives. It's not just W's and L's. You're on a college campus around young people. You're coaching young people. You're affecting their lives. You're elevating them from places they need help to get out of. The NFL is more cutthroat, and certainly college has never been more like the NFL. College football coaches are happier, they age better. You ever see somebody, it's 70 years old and they look great.

They'Re fit, they're trim. You know what? They never are angry. College coaches don't age as well. Crazy owners, cutthroat sport make often less than your stars. I'm Marcus Freeman. I mean increasingly in the NFL there's about seven great jobs. There's dozens, dozens of great college basketball and football jobs. Here was Notre Dame's AD this week on Marcus Freeman's future. Everybody has eyes on Marcus. College has eyes on Marcus. NFL has eyes on Marcus. I bet Hollywood has eyes on Marcus, right? I wouldn't be surprised if he's in the next, you know, Leo DiCaprio movie with Martin Scorsese. I view his contract, although a multi year contract, as a living, breathing document that we will revise every year as need be to make sure he's where he deserves to be. He knows he has that commitment from me and more importantly from the university. Yeah, listen, it is a dilemma, if you want to call it that, for a lot of really super, mostly middle aged to young talented people. Do you stay in your great job or do you challenge yourself at the next level? And I would say right now, college football has never been more like the NFL. But you don't have the crazy billionaires at the top.

You control your own personnel and Notre Dame's guaranteed to win 10 games. With that ACC schedule, you just don't lose a lot. It makes for happier people that age better. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.

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[Jason McIntyre]

Saturday Fox Primetime Hoops returns with a bang as Yaksel Lindeborg leads second ranked Michigan against Maryland in a Big Ten showdown Saturday, 8pm Eastern on Fox.

[Colin Cowherd]

So yeah, there's been a lot made of Shadour Sanders. He deserves a fair chance. And so yesterday I thought it was pretty straightforward and pretty obvious that Dylan Gabriel started before Shador Sanders because Dylan Gabriel had so many more college starts and was more prepared initially to start and grasp the offense and Shador, eventually his talent is better, would rise. I don't think it's a conspiracy theory. I think that's obvious. Do a little homework. Dylan Gabriel broke a college record for most college starts or something, right? Like it's just an insane number compared to Shador. So Shedeur eventually is more talented. But the other reason Shedeur is going to get a chance in Cleveland, make it or break it. All you have to do is look at the current 2026 NFL Draft Order for the radio audience. I've put in the top 12 teams.

Outside of the Giants, Tennessee, Washington and probably Cincinnati. Although I would draft a quarterback if I was Cincinnati. 3rd, 4th, 5th round burrows, injuries adding up 8 of 12 arguably need a quarterback supply, can't keep up with demand. The Rams are going to draft the quarterback, first or second pick. They don't need him now, but they, they want it in house. I mean, all you need to know is the colts are asking 44 year old Philip Rivers to come out of retirement. Dude, he's like four years away from getting that AARP card in the mail this year. Earlier, the Bengals, Joe Burrow got hurt. Who did they immediately call? Cleveland. Joe Flacco, 40. That's why I've said Fernando.

Mendoza, the quarterback for Indiana. If Dante Moore doesn't come out, there's going to be a bidding war to get this kid. He's 6 5, big arm, wholesome. He's leading Indiana to the Big Ten championship. So Shedeur is going to get a run because Mac Jones, Kyler Murray, Kyler Murray is going to get paid by somebody. Daniel Jones getting paid by the, by the Colts. So you know this whole thing about Shador Sanders. I would take Shador Sanders because he's a fifth round pick and he's basically free for the next three years. I would start him this year and next year overpaying Kyler Murray's contract. I wouldn't want to be burdened by it. Plus I think shidders likable. He's selling merch. He's selling tickets. It's fascinating. It's talked about. There's no other reason to talk about the Browns. But if you go look at the draft order supply cannot keep up with demand and the nil now these kids like Dante Moore and Ty Simpson can make $4 million winning 1112 games in college. Why come out and get a nosebleed and get your brains beaten in? So the Giants will not draft a quarterback and I think they're too talented not to win another game. I think the Titans don't need a quarterback. You can argue everybody else Commanders won't take one. Maybe in the fourth, fifth, sixth round with Jaden Daniels injuries adding up again. But here Urban Meyer, I mean Fernando Mendoza is the only can't miss half the draft. He's the number one pick. I believe there'll be a bidding war. Here's Urban Meyer who was at that Big Ten championship game on Mendoza. Here's what I think about him as an NFL prospect. I've changed. I made a comment before this game he should come back. I don't think so. Now I saw, I saw against a team that had better talent than Indiana and he won that freaking game. He got hit right square in the face of the second first play of the game and talked his way through it. So I think he's NFL ready. I didn't say that before this game. So one of the things that is happening, it happened in my business. It settled down. Now in the radio, TV, podcasting space over the last 12 months, it settled down. But we went through about a five year period where you woke up in the morning and you just didn't know what was going on with our business. And it's happening all over the world right now with AI like how's it going to turn out the smartest people in the world? You can listen to Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg or Mark Cuban. You can take people with incredibly willful, aspirational companies and smart people and science experts and tech experts. They don't know what's happening with AI. Nobody knows. Nobody has any idea how it's going to work out. Some people are calling. There'll be 40% unemployment. I don't think so.

One of the things in sports that has massively changed and I mean it's huge. It's college football nil transfer portal and there was a group of you out there. I had friends who said this. I'm never watching college football again. I mean I'll just watch the NFL. I'm looking at the ratings. Fox aired the three most watched college football games this season. Ohio State, Michigan, 18 and a half million. Big Ten Championship 18 and a half million. Texas, Ohio State 16 and a half million. For all you the world is ending. The nil and transfer portal I'd argue saved college football. You know what almost killed it?

An eight year period with Georgia, Bama, Clemson and LSU. One of those four within a 770 mile radius winning it. College football got insanely regional and the SEC always paid everybody under the table. Now back door money has become front door money. Everybody gets paid. And schools like Michigan and Notre dame have top 10 endowments. USC and Oregon just finished with the best recruiting classes. West coast schools with a lot of money for the top seven teams today left in college football. Four of those teams have the biggest nils. I prefer the transparency.

All those people, it's going to kill college football. The Big Ten is 129 years old. For 128 of those years, Indiana could not compete for the Big Ten championship. But their nil's very strong led by Mark Cuban and now they're better than Ohio State, at least for a night. So politics, media, sports, we're seeing massive change and people are totally uncomfortable with it. But did you realize since college football went to a 12 team playoff, listen to this. We've had 20 different teams. Nil saved college football. It allowed Vandy, Mark Cuban in Indiana to compete with Ohio State. I love college football and I went a decade where I almost stopped talking about it until Harbaugh came back to Michigan. It was completely regional. Indiana a powerhouse now, not going anywhere. Vanderbilt, five star quarterbacks can beat anybody on any day, including Alabama.

What we fear is going to kill us AI job displacement actually saves us the medical advancements, the space advancements. Maybe find those UAPS and those aliens after all. But everybody thought this was going to crush the sport. I think it saved it.

I think the expansion of the Big ten, the expansion of the sec, the numbers prove it. People say a lot of things, they do fewer things. People say they're going to work out this year. By February they have the gym membership and don't go. People say they're going to eat better, they're never going to watch college football again. The numbers prove otherwise. The sport needed more flexibility. The players needed to be paid. The players needed to transfer out of stockpiling dominant teams like Georgia. That doesn't quite look as fast that Indiana looks almost as fast. Why? Because if you don't start at Georgia after a year, you can transfer to another fine program. So here's Ed Orgeron on a great podcast, busing with a boys podcast this week. He talked about the Nil and Pan players.

You know, you've been out of coaching for a while and how are you going to adjust that Nil? I said, well, it's a minor adjustment. And they said, what do you mean? I said, back then we used to walk through the back door of the cash.

Now we just got to walk through the front door.

I prefer the. I love Ed. I prefer the transparency. I mean, everybody knew in the south through the churches, guys were getting payments. Ole Miss got caught. There's more than Ole Miss now. It's transparency. There's bidding wars for players. They always deserve to be paid. And now it's up front. It used to be that paying a high school player was a death penalty. Now it's marketed, promoted and bragged about. I'm okay with it. All this change, we all freak out. 40% of Americans never leave the area code in which they're born. That's fine too. Tradition. There's plenty of it. Ohio State, Michigan must watch Texas. Oklahoma still rocks.

Bama. Georgia watch it every time they play. There's still all sorts of tradition. Usc, ucla. I was watching.

Oregon, Washington. Yep, they'll still battle.

But I'll argue Nil transfer portal have positively. And it's a bit wild. Wild West. We're still trying to figure it all out. I think they saved the sport. I really do. J. Mac, we have Mark Slear with Josh Pate, Danny Parkins all stopping by today.

[Jason McIntyre]

Hey, can I go to your trade up for Mendoza thing from a few minutes ago?

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.

[Jason McIntyre]

So I asked your best friend Chat GPT. Hey, so can you just quickly list all the teams that traded up for a quarterback in the first round?

Some real winners on this list. You want to hear them now?

[Colin Cowherd]

Not.

[Jason McIntyre]

Not all of them went to number one. Some went to 2, 3, 4. But obviously Bryce Young was the most recent. That has clearly not worked out.

[Colin Cowherd]

He's still vying for the playoffs.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, but now you got to pay him. And like, basically it hasn't been like a home run fair. So the Bears traded up for a guy named Mitchell Trubisky. The 49ers traded up for Trey Lance. New York Giants traded up for Sam Darnold. Eagles traded up for Carson Wentz. Colin, are you, are you getting the picture? The one winner was Jared Goff. The Rams traded up for him. But like, you go down this list and you're like, there's just not a lot. You're giving up too much draft capital. I love Mendoza. I love him on the Jets. I don't want to give up all those picks. We got a war chest now.

[Colin Cowherd]

Can I remind you that the Ravens traded up for Lamar Jackson and the Chiefs traded up for Mahomes.

[Jason McIntyre]

Mahomes at 10, I believe Lamar is like 31, 32. Yeah, yeah. Somewhere there are some that work.

[Colin Cowherd]

Those two you'll notice. When does it work?

[Jason McIntyre]

Not in the top five.

[Colin Cowherd]

No, no, no. When does it work? Think about it.

[Jason McIntyre]

Or smart teams.

[Colin Cowherd]

Sean McVeigh, John Harbaugh, Andy Reid. If you have a really smart coach that can get the most out of a young player, trading up works. Now in this instance, it could be the Raiders. Okay, Right. So a lot of it I am for. It's just like it could be real estate. You know, trading up homes if you know real estate is a smart thing to do. If you don't. So I mean, you look at the teams that have been trading up. When you have the Mahomes situate, well, it was Brett Veach and Andy Reid and the Hunt family. That's why it worked.

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